Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: This is that could happen.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the r presidential debate starring Donald Trump
Speaker 2: and Joe Biden, which was by far the worst presidential
Speaker 2: debate I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 4: There's no competition.
Speaker 3: There's no competition like I remember the days when we
Speaker 3: laughed at George W. Bush sucking up ed a debate.
Speaker 3: He would he would clean up with these guys. He
Speaker 3: would be sashing across the floor.
Speaker 5: You could drop Sarah Palin in here, yeah, and shew them.
Speaker 3: Sarah Palin comes out of us looking like Bob fucking Hope.
Speaker 2: So I'm Garrison Davis, I'm joined by Robert Evans and
Speaker 2: James Stout. Let's uh, let's get into it. I guess
Speaker 2: who do you think, quote unquote won the debate?
Speaker 5: I can tell you who fucking lost. Garrisons all of us.
Speaker 4: I mean, I will.
Speaker 3: I'll go into this later. I'm not sure it matters,
Speaker 3: but if the debate matters, Trump won totally. If the
Speaker 3: debate matters, Trump won.
Speaker 2: You know that was my same thought as well. He
Speaker 2: definitely was a much better debater and had much better
Speaker 2: like political rhetoric. He could form complete sentences which is
Speaker 2: something you could not say of Joe Biden, and that's
Speaker 2: not that's not hyperbole.
Speaker 3: I actually argue with the first two thirds of your
Speaker 3: analysis there, because I don't think in argument terms, if
Speaker 3: we're looking at this as a debate, Trump repeated, like
Speaker 3: if I were scoring this the way you would competition.
Speaker 3: Trump repeatedly followed Biden on these like Biden would goad
Speaker 3: him with shit like what he said, what Trump said
Speaker 3: after charlott'svilleer all like Trump's height and him lying about
Speaker 3: fucking golf scores, and Trump always took the bait. Why
Speaker 3: I think Trump won is that this is not going
Speaker 3: to get consumed as a debate. People aren't going to
Speaker 3: look at this and like, look at the whole sweep
Speaker 3: of how they both shre which Biden would still very
Speaker 3: likely lose, but it's less clear this is gonna get
Speaker 3: cut up a million ways on TikTok, and it's Trump's
Speaker 3: just got a lot more AMMO out of this fucker.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The very first thing I noticed is that both of
Speaker 2: them looked barely awake as he went on screen. And
Speaker 2: so I did get a debate bingo, I almost got two,
Speaker 2: I almost got three. I was very proud of that.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. We can we can go
Speaker 2: over some of some of what some of what they
Speaker 2: talked about, because yeah, why not.
Speaker 5: Do you want to hate? Do you want to hate
Speaker 5: Jill Biden's review? Just just get that out of the
Speaker 5: way real quick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did he get Jill?
Speaker 5: Give it Jill, Judge, Jill, doctor, Jill Biden. Such a
Speaker 5: great job. You answered every question.
Speaker 2: Fantastic, that's amazing stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he did, answered coherently not so much.
Speaker 2: We uh, we had we had an inject bleach reference
Speaker 2: from Biden very early on.
Speaker 4: And that was that was one of his better ploys.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately followed it up by mumble incoherently for like forty seconds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, but I was glad to hear it dropped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was well pred he just did not he executed.
Speaker 3: Look here's what I'll say. I've said this about Joe
Speaker 3: for a while. If you were looking at this man,
Speaker 3: not as the president, but as like a relative, you
Speaker 3: would say, well, he's doing you know, uncle Joe's doing
Speaker 3: okay for eighty two, you know, like he's so most
Speaker 3: he's eighty six. If he'll be eighty six if he
Speaker 3: does a second term at the end of it. But
Speaker 3: like if he were a regular person, you would say, uncle,
Speaker 3: Joe's doing okay for eighty two, Maybe we should take
Speaker 3: the keys.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Maybe he doesn't need he doesn't need to be in
Speaker 3: a home. You know, that would not be the right
Speaker 3: call at this moment. But maybe he shouldn't have he
Speaker 3: shouldn't be driving, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So one of the smart things I think Trump did
Speaker 2: very early on is that he attacked the vaccine mandate
Speaker 2: but not the vaccine. Yeah, that was one of the
Speaker 2: more subtle moves that he did that I think he
Speaker 2: pulled off very well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe just gave it up.
Speaker 2: One of the one of the record trends with Trump
Speaker 2: is that he really loved to call the United States
Speaker 2: a third world nation and say we are now an
Speaker 2: uncivilized nation. That was That was like one of the
Speaker 2: many things Trump kept going back to because he Trump
Speaker 2: really did just have like five things he just kept
Speaker 2: talking about over and over and over again. He mostly
Speaker 2: ignored the actual questions from moderators. The moderators themselves did
Speaker 2: a really bad job both the questions they had and
Speaker 2: also like actually controlling controlling the candidates and keep and
Speaker 2: keeping them on topic. But in general, I think the
Speaker 2: questions that they did were just kind of bizarre. Thirdal
Speaker 2: nation was a very common refrain from Trump.
Speaker 5: And one thing that like Trump, Trump did badly more
Speaker 5: than Biden, or like you can see how Biden's team
Speaker 5: prepped him on it and then he screwed the boots
Speaker 5: on it. But like Biden would say these things that
Speaker 5: he knew would trigger Trump, like his weight and his height,
Speaker 5: right or yeah, the very good people on both sides
Speaker 5: and Trump completely felt for that hootline thing.
Speaker 3: You can tell Trump has been obsessing over the little
Speaker 3: things that people say about, like how he treated handled
Speaker 3: stuff like the alt right and whatnot. Like he's very
Speaker 3: angry about some of that, which is interesting to me
Speaker 3: because it wasn't the smart move. The smart move was like,
Speaker 3: as Garret noted, Trump very I think intelligently pivoted on
Speaker 3: the vaccine issue to like still being able to take
Speaker 3: credit for it with some audiences while also making clear
Speaker 3: that his issue was the mandates. Whenever Trump was on
Speaker 3: the economy, I think, even though I don't agree that
Speaker 3: he was the better president for the economy, I think
Speaker 3: that he performed strongly on stage. He spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time in the weeds. If we're going to use
Speaker 3: golf metaphors, he kept like knocking shit into the sand
Speaker 3: dunes and having to like.
Speaker 5: Thank you for raising golf from it.
Speaker 4: You're welcome, You're welcome.
Speaker 3: Because this had the longest golf digression of any presidential
Speaker 3: lookit of everything.
Speaker 2: He had like a two minute argument over whether they
Speaker 2: could play golf against each other and who would.
Speaker 5: Win and whose handicap was what in the eighties.
Speaker 3: What I saw in this is you've got two men
Speaker 3: who are not at are past their prime. And the
Speaker 3: reason why this in large part went Trump's way is
Speaker 3: that Biden has never been a good public speaker. That
Speaker 3: has never been his strength. He has a speech impediment,
Speaker 3: right that he worked and got over much of his career,
Speaker 3: but when you are older, you have less control over everything,
Speaker 3: and we can see it coming back, right. There's no
Speaker 3: there ought not be any shame in that. But also
Speaker 3: it does affect the way people think. This is a
Speaker 3: horrible country full of terrible people. People do not forgive
Speaker 3: a speech impediment, right. But more to the point, the
Speaker 3: thing that Biden is showing his age in most all,
Speaker 3: as we all do. It's the shit that we're bad at.
Speaker 3: We get a lot worse at, right, And you can
Speaker 3: kind of hide how much you've aged when you're doing
Speaker 3: something that is clearly your talent. You know, my grandpa
Speaker 3: near the you know, fairly late in his Parkinson's journey,
Speaker 3: could still like gut and clean and catch a fish
Speaker 3: really well. It wasn't until pretty advanced that he lost
Speaker 3: that ability, and it was almost like you could see
Speaker 3: some of that skill returned to him. And like Trump
Speaker 3: is a talker, Trump is a charismatic guy. He is
Speaker 3: good at working a crowd. You can tell he is
Speaker 3: falling off in his inability to the fact that he
Speaker 3: keeps falling for all of these very obvious traps Joe
Speaker 3: Biley and he spent a lot of time in the weeds,
Speaker 3: but he still sounds a lot stronger. And this is
Speaker 3: entirely a contest of who can look best on camera, right,
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's of course Trump's going to win.
Speaker 2: I think the first really big topic that they that
Speaker 2: they started to argue back and forth on was abortion.
Speaker 2: It started by Trump saying that he is pro the
Speaker 2: abortion pill, and he's pro the Supreme Court's recent rule
Speaker 2: leg which he kind of mischaracterized, but that's still he's
Speaker 2: anything coming from Trump saying that he's he's okay with
Speaker 2: the with the abortion pill.
Speaker 3: He even brought up being okay with a nine month
Speaker 3: abortion if it's for the life of the mother, which
Speaker 3: was interesting to me.
Speaker 2: But then they spent a long time arguing over whether
Speaker 2: Roe v. Wade means that you can kill babies after exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, right birth, And that was that was a that
Speaker 3: was an interesting I don't think that that interaction. I
Speaker 3: don't know how much it's gonna matter, but it didn't
Speaker 3: come off well for Trump because.
Speaker 2: He he didn't come off well for Trump. That was
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the few things he
Speaker 2: did not do well in of course, you know, Biden
Speaker 2: has done very little to secure reproductive rights as as
Speaker 2: the current president. We all we all know this, but
Speaker 2: this did not come off well for Trump. They were
Speaker 2: basically just arguing back and forth over whether Biden wants
Speaker 2: to kill baby's post birth, which is just a ridiculous
Speaker 2: thing to to argue.
Speaker 3: It was a shameful chain of arguments, right YEA. George
Speaker 3: Bush would have insinuated the same thing but done it
Speaker 3: in a way. But that left everyone feeling less gross,
Speaker 3: and that's why he did so many terrible things. It's
Speaker 3: just interesting that we've stripped so much of the shellac
Speaker 3: off of it and now they are just because in
Speaker 3: George W. Bush's day, we were still the Republicans, were
Speaker 3: still calling Democrats baby killers. There was just it's interesting
Speaker 3: how much of the sheen is gone. Maybe a little
Speaker 3: more class, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe maybe it's not all
Speaker 3: bad that we're not pretending anymore, right, Like, there's no
Speaker 3: pretending on this stage.
Speaker 4: Both men are clearly not doing well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the system itself is not pretending, right Like, we
Speaker 5: just got a couple of fucking Egypts and what we do,
Speaker 5: We'm stole one of them.
Speaker 2: Like something I will never pretend to do is is
Speaker 2: dislike our products and services that support this podcast. I
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Speaker 5: Okay we are back, Yeah, yeah, still here we are.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel good. I feel good about
Speaker 4: America today.
Speaker 2: You think so, you think the right direction?
Speaker 4: You know, it's not that.
Speaker 3: We're heading in the right direction. We've never been heading
Speaker 3: in a very good direction. The driver has always been drunk,
Speaker 3: right and Finally, forty five minutes into the drive, he
Speaker 3: just was like, look, man, I'm not doing great right now,
Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna get this car back home unless
Speaker 3: you bust open the center console where I keep a
Speaker 3: handle of bourbon. And you're scared of the driver because
Speaker 3: he has a gun and you don't know what he'll
Speaker 3: do with it. You're not even sure if he can
Speaker 3: really see you in anyway. That's how it feels to
Speaker 3: watch the selection.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about immigration, one of the other main main
Speaker 2: topics in this debate.
Speaker 4: And that went bad for Biden.
Speaker 2: Trump had a fantastic line saying Border Patrol endorsed me
Speaker 2: for president, but I won't say that, which is amazing stuff.
Speaker 4: They both claimed border Patrol endorsed them too. Yeah, the Border.
Speaker 5: Patrol itself doesn't make endorsements, right, but the Border Patrol Union,
Speaker 5: which is worth the worst accounts on Twitter, did clarify
Speaker 5: that they endorsed Trump.
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of bad stuff with abortion.
Speaker 2: I mean, James, did you do any thoughts overall in
Speaker 2: the abortion discourse.
Speaker 5: The debate, the immigration discourse. Yes, Wow, that was a
Speaker 5: real Biden moment for you. Gar Garrison, Yeah, Garrison Davis
Speaker 5: elderly members of podcast.
Speaker 4: Somebody get Garrison as pet pills?
Speaker 2: I wish.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're fog in the air and Atlanta tonight.
Speaker 2: All right, the discourse over aboard Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: They're bringing abortions with him, Garrison, don't worry, there's okay,
Speaker 5: there's a.
Speaker 3: Pretty great Onion headline report. Oh they're about to talk
Speaker 3: about black people.
Speaker 5: Oh god, yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: Another fine moment of this debate, the fucking black job
Speaker 6: saying yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Circu immigration and talking immigration right,
Speaker 6: just real quick, Donald Trump kept throwing out this eighteen
Speaker 6: million number.
Speaker 5: Fuck knows where that comes from. Yeah, that was just
Speaker 5: all the numbers, like fully from the rectum to the
Speaker 5: debate stage. But look, boy, patrol have reported nine point
Speaker 5: six encounters. I've beaten this horse to death. But encounter
Speaker 5: does not represent a unique vidual. Right, people go and
Speaker 5: come back when when they get deported back, very common
Speaker 5: both of them, like, like, the what I actually want
Speaker 5: to focus on is the way that Jake Tappa framed
Speaker 5: that question, because it was fucking atrocious, right like it.
Speaker 5: He didn't frame it in a way in which either
Speaker 5: of them, if they had wanted to, could offer a
Speaker 5: reasonable compassionate stance and immigration right. It was positive as
Speaker 5: a terrible thing. And yeah you Foxy in and next
Speaker 5: time you come dming me asking me.
Speaker 3: The scummy scummy shit, Yeah, it was for the For
Speaker 3: the record, Jake Tapper should be hit in the head
Speaker 3: with a with a I don't know, truck or something.
Speaker 2: But podcaster Robert Evans threatens violence against CNN anchor Jake Taper.
Speaker 3: In a way he supported violence against me, So I
Speaker 3: think I have that right with Jake.
Speaker 2: That is true.
Speaker 3: He's he's a dog shit journalist. And this was the
Speaker 3: worst moderated debate because Trump is just lying. Everything he
Speaker 3: says is absolutely full of shit. And half of the
Speaker 3: ship that Biden says, it's hard to tell what he
Speaker 3: was even trying to say, and there was no tempt
Speaker 3: to make it. They they treated this like Werner Herzog
Speaker 3: would have filmed it, right, But they're too Herzog would
Speaker 3: have done this way because like, my job is not.
Speaker 4: To interfere here.
Speaker 3: My job is to let this unfold, right, I don't
Speaker 3: need now. Herzog would interfere if that would have made
Speaker 3: it a better story. But he loves artists. These people
Speaker 3: are journalists. Yeah, these people are journalists, and your job
Speaker 3: was to attempt to both hold them accountable to some
Speaker 3: standard of reality and also to attempt to present this
Speaker 3: in a way that's intelligible, right, and you failed on
Speaker 3: both accounts. You did bad jobs as journalists.
Speaker 2: I think for me, the best and worst line of
Speaker 2: the debate in terms of like, oh wow, we're really
Speaker 2: in it is is Trump saying that migrants are taking
Speaker 2: black jobs, which is one of the most loaded statements
Speaker 2: I've ever heard, because, for one, you know, it's weird
Speaker 2: on like the migrant thing, be like that, that's really
Speaker 2: your black jobs?
Speaker 5: What is a black yet?
Speaker 2: What do you think he's implying there?
Speaker 5: I think we know what he's there.
Speaker 4: He's implying farm work.
Speaker 2: He's talking about like working in the fields.
Speaker 3: Low skilled jobs is what he is talking about. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's how he sees this. But what I where I
Speaker 3: think that came from. My suspicion is that because the
Speaker 3: Trump campaign is still consistently extremely weak with black voters, right,
Speaker 3: they've actually made a lot of inroads with Hispanic voters.
Speaker 3: Trump in this debate, Yeah, they are still based on
Speaker 3: all of the polling I've seen, they're about as bad
Speaker 3: with black voters as they weren't twenty twenty. That really
Speaker 3: has not moved. What you have seen on that is
Speaker 3: not really based in much of the way of evidence,
Speaker 3: at least in terms of what polling can show us.
Speaker 3: They know this is a weakness, and it's one that
Speaker 3: they see as a significant strategic weakness. So at some
Speaker 3: point Trump had a meeting with his campaign prep staff
Speaker 3: and one of the things they wrote on a billboard
Speaker 3: is they were spitball ideas to get black voters was
Speaker 3: migrants taking black jobs question mark, and that stayed in
Speaker 3: Trump's head totally. They had a million better ways to
Speaker 3: phrase it, but when the moment came up, that's how
Speaker 3: he fucking ran.
Speaker 2: That is no guarantee you exactly what happened. It just yes, totally.
Speaker 2: It also displays a somehow extremely anti immigrant and extremely
Speaker 2: racist at all the same time coming remarkable directions. It's
Speaker 2: quite something. One of another another great line was human
Speaker 2: trafficking in women and just another another wonder.
Speaker 4: Human trafficking in women. I'm glad.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that women do make the human list though,
Speaker 3: like that feels like progress.
Speaker 4: Garrison, we did it, Joe.
Speaker 2: Anything else on the immigration front. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: as bad as we would expect. Honestly, I thought that
Speaker 2: would try to go further on the right on immigration
Speaker 2: than what he ended up doing. Not saying he did
Speaker 2: well on immigration, but I expected I picked Biden to
Speaker 2: kind of to kind of push a little a little
Speaker 2: bit more.
Speaker 3: He's not comfortable with it, clearly because he made he
Speaker 3: got so much of his win on highlighting the obvious
Speaker 3: inhumanity of Trump's border policy, and he obviously has adopted
Speaker 3: a policy that's very similar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he tried to hit him on the
Speaker 5: separation of families. Families are still fucking separated, Like I've
Speaker 5: literally seen that this week.
Speaker 3: Well, I just don't think he's I don't think he's
Speaker 3: comfortable fighting Trump on this because I don't really think
Speaker 3: he has a great feeling about their their where they're
Speaker 3: separate on the matter, right, So he's not comfortable with
Speaker 3: that line of argument the way he is. Like Biden's
Speaker 3: best moment was attacking him for like being shitty to
Speaker 3: dead soldiers, and I was shocked that Trump followed him
Speaker 3: on that. Fucking they talked about that. So it was
Speaker 3: a huge It was as big as the economy they
Speaker 3: talked about.
Speaker 2: Like veterans for so long and just like weird circles.
Speaker 2: That that was an interesting one. A few other just
Speaker 2: fun lines that were thrown in, Biden calling them the
Speaker 2: Paris Piece accords, very cool.
Speaker 4: Funny stuff.
Speaker 2: Biden's saying that Trump has the mortals of an alley cat.
Speaker 2: That's a great line.
Speaker 4: That was a good line. That's a great that was
Speaker 4: That was again, this was number one.
Speaker 3: He didn't slur any of us where I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that to be shitty, but it affects his performance. He
Speaker 3: was very clear in the leanup of like these are
Speaker 3: the he's a bad person, which he is. That's a
Speaker 3: strong thing to hit him on. And I hope again
Speaker 3: we'll talk more about like will this matter, but I
Speaker 3: hope strategically what the dims realizes that like that is
Speaker 3: a thing to keep hitting him on because it actually
Speaker 3: matters in terms of like how voters think of the guys.
Speaker 3: It's it's a way to actually hurt Trump because he
Speaker 3: is a really obviously shitty person.
Speaker 2: One other thing Trump did in terms of you know
Speaker 2: this whole black jobs thing is Trump did hammer Biden
Speaker 2: on super predators.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was interesting to say.
Speaker 2: I feel like Trump actually did a did an okay job.
Speaker 2: They're it's not me endorsing Trump's behavior, but this is
Speaker 2: this is He's like that was that was a good
Speaker 2: move for him?
Speaker 4: Is an interesting one too.
Speaker 3: I was kind of surprised that he he went for it,
Speaker 3: because that's like, yeah, that was surprising.
Speaker 2: Do you know what isn't surprising, Robert?
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Speaker 4: Who are you know?
Speaker 3: I often think of the president as like a father,
Speaker 3: you know, or like my father during different times.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Trump is like my father that time he brought a
Speaker 3: home the movie Event Horizon, thinking it would be like
Speaker 3: a fun little science fiction rop and Biden is like
Speaker 3: my dad when he's snuck in the South Park movie,
Speaker 3: but he had not gotten the right language version, so
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Speaker 2: So one thing that I'm looking forward to is that
Speaker 2: if Trump does get elected, he will settle the Ukraine
Speaker 2: War as president elect. So that's great news for all
Speaker 2: of us. I'm excited before he's even inaugurated. That down
Speaker 2: that was really.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, it's interesting to see him kind of adopt
Speaker 3: the whole Ukraine has cooked. They've lost all of their
Speaker 3: young men line. That's not a great thing to hear
Speaker 3: in terms of like, it's exactly what Putin wants, it's
Speaker 3: exactly what Russia wants. It's not accurate to like what
Speaker 3: we've actually seen on the ground, which is another Russian
Speaker 3: defensive completely stall out, despite what was supposed to be
Speaker 3: like an overwhelming advantage in theater and artillery. But I
Speaker 3: don't think it matters. I don't think that shit's going
Speaker 3: to move the election.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day.
Speaker 3: I could bitch about like US policy in Eastern Europe,
Speaker 3: but nobody votes based on that. I do, but nobody
Speaker 3: else does right like and I barely do.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 3: It's it's just not It's not a needle mover in
Speaker 3: the same way that fucking inflation or the economy or
Speaker 3: crime or the border is.
Speaker 2: I mean, Trump was harping on it because he's just
Speaker 2: trying to blame all of these new conflicts on Biden,
Speaker 2: being like, all these things happened since Biden was president.
Speaker 2: If I was president, this wouldn't have happened, you know,
Speaker 2: Magically right, And that's that's a very easy move for
Speaker 2: Trump is to bring up all of the bad things
Speaker 2: that have happened since Biden's took office and say this
Speaker 2: is Biden's fault. We have that with Ukraine, they talked
Speaker 2: they talked about Ukraine for like a really.
Speaker 4: It was a shocking amount of the debate.
Speaker 2: A decent a decent amount of the time, like way
Speaker 2: way longer than they talked about Israel and Palestine, which
Speaker 2: is kind of surprising to me. Now I can understand
Speaker 2: how both them would want to just avoid talking about that,
Speaker 2: but I'm surprised, like the moderators like, let that happen.
Speaker 2: I guess I.
Speaker 3: Don't think, I mean the monitors, moderators let everything happen.
Speaker 3: I think I've put who I am surprised about was
Speaker 3: Trump because he kept going back to Ukraine, which is
Speaker 3: not a strong issue for him. Now Israel Palestine really
Speaker 3: isn't either. Most Americans don't like what Israel is doing.
Speaker 3: There's even a lot of question about that on the
Speaker 3: Republican side. So his choices are either be all fucking
Speaker 3: genocide about it and alienate a lot of moderates, or
Speaker 3: kind of hedge it and just try to attack Biden
Speaker 3: for his performance, which is what he did.
Speaker 2: Which is which is what he did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't do much of it compared to getting
Speaker 3: drawn again and again into arguments over NATO. I was
Speaker 3: really surprised that he kept following Joe back to fucking NATO.
Speaker 4: It was really weird.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a bizarre choice for him, like when
Speaker 5: he had a million other places his Trump's response on Palestine,
Speaker 5: I want to talk about it.
Speaker 4: Oh, that was bleak.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that was one of the worst moments in this
Speaker 3: country's entire history.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that reready set a new loave for me.
Speaker 3: And we've got like, what eight seven to eight genocide, So,
Speaker 3: you know, pretty bad moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a country built on genocide. That
Speaker 5: that one. That one was pretty pretty bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So basically Trump was harping on Biden for not being
Speaker 2: pro genocide enough and said something that I really never
Speaker 2: I did not see coming. He said that that Biden
Speaker 2: has become like a Palestinian, A bad Palestinian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a bad Palestinian because he doesn't do bad enough things.
Speaker 4: What was that? What was the exact line that followed that?
Speaker 2: So Trump says, quote, He's become like a Palestinian, but
Speaker 2: a bad Palestinian because they don't like him very much.
Speaker 4: There you go, thank you. We needed the whole thought.
Speaker 2: He's a weak one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Palestinians don't like him, and I hate the Palestinians,
Speaker 3: but you should be liked by your own pep. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to put together the logic here.
Speaker 2: It was. It was really bad. But like basically using
Speaker 2: Palestinian as an insult to Biden, you know, that's not great.
Speaker 2: Trump also had a lie how quote the Palestinians and
Speaker 2: everyone are rioting right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I assume who was he?
Speaker 2: I think he's referring to the campus protests, just calling
Speaker 2: everyone at those protests Palestinians, which is a really interesting,
Speaker 2: like political move.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, and a dangerous one potentially.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we knock on wood whenever we may have wood.
Speaker 4: That's a good Trump line. That's a good Trump line.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And James James was giving him ship for
Speaker 3: that earlier. But this is this is you and your
Speaker 3: Ivory tower. A lot of people don't have wood. You know,
Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro could only afford one board.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ben Cheroney got wood once. Yeah, that's exactly right,
Speaker 5: you know, small amount of wood at that he was
Speaker 5: lucky enough to find it.
Speaker 4: We can't all.
Speaker 5: And he put his wood in a little bag.
Speaker 2: So this was a This was a bit on healthcare,
Speaker 2: right or is about a garrison?
Speaker 3: Well he was yeah, he was talking about being healthy
Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, I'm still healthy. You know,
Speaker 3: knock on wood. We all knock on wood where we
Speaker 3: find wood.
Speaker 4: Or something like that.
Speaker 5: But he was being we have wood.
Speaker 3: He was kind of trying to Actually, this may be
Speaker 3: a little bit of like a fuck up by him
Speaker 3: because he was hitting Biden pretty successfully in Biden's age,
Speaker 3: But then he dropped a line so baffling that it
Speaker 3: was like it focused tradition where I was like, what
Speaker 3: do you mean by this?
Speaker 2: They were talking about Yeah, they're talking about being in
Speaker 2: good health and that's and that's where they got into
Speaker 2: the little golf argument and weight, who would who would?
Speaker 2: Who would play golf better? And yeah, if if Trump
Speaker 2: could carry his own golf clubs. A really good line
Speaker 2: was we bought a certain dog.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah, we bought a certain dog.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: Can sniff.
Speaker 3: And then he just kept talking about machines that could
Speaker 3: sniff Thinn talking.
Speaker 5: About these these machines that they have to suppose to
Speaker 5: detect fens and on the border, which they've spent millions
Speaker 5: of dollars on. But they've been doing this since a
Speaker 5: Trump administration, Like this is not a new thing. It
Speaker 5: was in his border bill. But there's nothing compacked to
Speaker 5: we we bought a certain dog.
Speaker 3: Oh god, have you guys seen the dark Brandon's secret sauce.
Speaker 2: Robert share this immediately.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've just shed He's lost Jeff heedrig which.
Speaker 3: Is there's a there's a post that Joe made right
Speaker 3: before the debate would have started that I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: send it to the chat while I describe it to
Speaker 3: the listener. It's Joe with like a can in his
Speaker 3: hand and it's a can.
Speaker 2: Dot com slash home.
Speaker 4: Hea, I'm on the Joe Bison water. No, so he's
Speaker 4: got he's got a can of this.
Speaker 3: It's like a water and a beer can and it's
Speaker 3: called zero Malarkey Biden, and it's got a dark branded
Speaker 3: image with the laser eyes. Get real, Jack, it's just water.
Speaker 3: And then Biden's actual teak says, I don't know what
Speaker 3: they have got these performance and answers. But I'm feeling
Speaker 3: pretty jacked up for yourself, folks. And for four dollars
Speaker 3: and sixty cents you can get a looks like one
Speaker 3: can of Biden water. The se I'm on the website now.
Speaker 3: The secret to a good debate performance staying hydrated, same
Speaker 3: performance and answers Joe Biden took before going on stage.
Speaker 5: We need to get well. Just get a company on this, guys.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get wrecked.
Speaker 4: Because he looked fucked up.
Speaker 5: I've got some experience with performance, you know, hunting to
Speaker 5: device drug users in my in my career.
Speaker 3: This is if any I miss having a good GHB hookup,
Speaker 3: you know, this would be hurt that. I feel like
Speaker 3: that would get me on Joe's level, right.
Speaker 5: I think only a brain injury could get you on
Speaker 5: Joe's level right now.
Speaker 4: That's why I brought up GHB.
Speaker 2: The last time I want to discuss in terms of
Speaker 2: what was talking about at the debate is January sixth,
Speaker 2: and Trump kind of tried to avoid the question over
Speaker 2: whether he would concede the election, saying that he would
Speaker 2: only if it was a fair election.
Speaker 4: Only if it was a fair election.
Speaker 2: But Trump's line on January sixth. Let me tell you
Speaker 2: about January sixth. We had great borders on January.
Speaker 4: Sixth, oh that whole speed.
Speaker 2: We had a great economy on January sixth.
Speaker 5: It is very funny. I should post some pictures I took.
Speaker 5: I took them just after January sixth. I took in
Speaker 5: the week of Biden's election of the border wall, just
Speaker 5: stopping in random places, like where they got to a
Speaker 5: certain level of construction and just stopped like we.
Speaker 2: I found Trump's direction here kind of interesting. He tried
Speaker 2: to kind of really avoid talking about his own opinions
Speaker 2: on the actual capital insurrection. His very first reaction was
Speaker 2: to say, no, well, the rest of the country was
Speaker 2: doing so much better because I was the president. The
Speaker 2: moderators kind of forced him to talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about it, but he really avoided it as much as
Speaker 2: he could, which is, you know, he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: alienate his base. He also doesn't want to like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, be too pro j six and scare away
Speaker 2: like independence, So he was really skirting that line. It's
Speaker 2: just weird because moderators were so much stronger on this
Speaker 2: question during the debate primaries for the GOP. Yeah, which
Speaker 2: which Trump wasn't even present for. They really harped on
Speaker 2: this here and on this. They did not care at all.
Speaker 2: They really they really did not push pushed Trump on
Speaker 2: on J six whatsoever. And it was it was kind
Speaker 2: of pathetic.
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, no, no, it was. It was. It was terrible.
Speaker 5: Like the moderators could well, they didn't moderate at all.
Speaker 5: They just asked some questions and then let it fucking rip.
Speaker 2: I think let's just move on to finally talking about
Speaker 2: like the debate in general. I think the GOP will
Speaker 2: probably be pretty happy with Trump's performance here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did what he needed to.
Speaker 2: They're gonna call us a dub. I think the Democrats
Speaker 2: are probably kind of scrambling right now, trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what the next move is.
Speaker 3: I hope it's possible for someone to be like we
Speaker 3: got time. Throw Pritzkerrin, throw fucking wit Marin. You know
Speaker 3: either of them, right, I honestly, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you know Robert, this is this is how Berdie
Speaker 2: can still win.
Speaker 4: I know he's too fucking old.
Speaker 3: I don't I will say I think he probably, based
Speaker 3: on the last time I saw him speak, I think
Speaker 3: he probably would have done better than Joe did in this,
Speaker 3: but not if he had a cold, right, Like, that's
Speaker 3: the thing. I believe Joe has a cold, and that
Speaker 3: that's why he sounded like shit. But you know what,
Speaker 3: a strong young person with a cold could pull it
Speaker 3: together for an hour he write down.
Speaker 4: That's he could lock down.
Speaker 3: This is we shouldn't have to explain, like, it's not
Speaker 3: I don't give a shit. Old people shouldn't be the
Speaker 3: fucking president.
Speaker 4: They shouldn't.
Speaker 3: Old people should not be the fucking president passed the past.
Speaker 3: The point at which I feel like if somebody, like
Speaker 3: if I was if we were helping you move and
Speaker 3: I was like carrying something heavy and I turned around,
Speaker 3: I slapped in the face with like a board or
Speaker 3: something or a piece of furniture. If I have to
Speaker 3: be worried that your skull is gonna crack, you shouldn't
Speaker 3: be the fucking president. You should be able to like
Speaker 3: I should feel confident that you can jumpstart a car
Speaker 3: without blowing up my battery, you know, Like I don't
Speaker 3: feel that for either of these men.
Speaker 4: They both look unwell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you let these people go into supermarket, they
Speaker 5: would be lost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not good. It's so.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people make jokes about this, right,
Speaker 2: people love joking about how old they are. How and coher.
Speaker 2: I was shocked. I was shocked at how bad Biden
Speaker 2: did this debate.
Speaker 4: He looked so bad. He looked so bad.
Speaker 2: It was one of his worst public speaking outings. Horrible,
Speaker 2: like in a long time.
Speaker 3: Look like, yeah, I am not competent to diagnose shit,
Speaker 3: but I lived with my grandfather for the last ten
Speaker 3: years as he died of Parkinson's, and it's there's a
Speaker 3: shuffle you get to recognize, right Like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's Parkinson's, but he's not a well old man's
Speaker 3: sick old man, and he shouldn't be president.
Speaker 2: There is there is a reason I put candidate collapses
Speaker 2: on stage on my Bingo card, which we did not get,
Speaker 2: but we sure got close.
Speaker 4: We got close, very close.
Speaker 2: I filled out almost all my Bingo card, it was
Speaker 2: and I did not pick easy ones too. You can
Speaker 2: you can check me on this. You can check you
Speaker 2: can check the card on Twitter. And I yeah, I was,
Speaker 2: I was, uh, just I just felt really bad.
Speaker 4: I feel terrible.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask half that debate gear, how do
Speaker 3: you feel about getting your citizenship? You jazzed, Well, this
Speaker 3: is a great this is a great proud time, proud
Speaker 3: time to become an American.
Speaker 2: It is better than it's better than it's better than
Speaker 2: only having a green card.
Speaker 5: Yeah, true, I can tell you it's just someone who
Speaker 5: recent the upgrading to American status. It is at least
Speaker 5: it's a little bit less concerning with the ship that
Speaker 5: Trump is saying. Yeah, and old Biden didn't.
Speaker 2: Well any any final thoughts.
Speaker 3: I hope Gavin Newsome doesn't pull out a way to
Speaker 3: become the president. I don't want him to be the president.
Speaker 2: He is going to be. My prediction is he will
Speaker 2: be the twenty twenty eight nominee. He's a very good chance,
Speaker 2: really hard. It's between the smart option based on where
Speaker 2: we stand now. For now war for twenty twenty eight
Speaker 2: is Pritzker. I think Whitmer would also be a great pick.
Speaker 2: Pritzker is really good with conservatives, and he's really good
Speaker 2: with conservatives without like folding completely on shit, Whereas Whittmer
Speaker 2: has some weakness just because of how much time has
Speaker 2: been directed in attacking her over like the COVID twenty
Speaker 2: twenty shit. But either of them I think are strong candidates.
Speaker 2: Who are a lot better than Gavin Newsom. But you
Speaker 2: are right, he's going to be a strong candidate in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight. Well, I think that does it for me,
Speaker 2: at least here on It could happen here.
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk real briefly. Do we think that debate matters?
Speaker 3: Do we think that this is a thing that is
Speaker 3: going to turn an election? I think can.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it actually does. I think I think
Speaker 2: this could actually hurt some voter enthusiasm. I think people
Speaker 2: who are maybe looking at Biden being like, yeah, probably
Speaker 2: if he keeps performing like this, people might just not
Speaker 2: vote for him. I'm not they probably maybe some of
Speaker 2: them might move over to Trump if they're like weird,
Speaker 2: like independence, many of them just might not vote at all.
Speaker 2: Like I think if if Biden shows that he is
Speaker 2: just kind of a bumbling, in like incompetent old man,
Speaker 2: that's not gonna help an already kind of dire situation
Speaker 2: in terms of voter enthusiasm and possible voter turnout. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think this actually does have a decent chance to
Speaker 2: hurt Biden. I don't think the debates will necessarily hurt Trump.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think will necessarily help Trump, like majorly,
Speaker 2: but I think they can subtract support away from Biden.
Speaker 3: See that's where and I don't I don't have a
Speaker 3: strong feeling on which way this is going to land either,
Speaker 3: you know, in either case. But some of the data
Speaker 3: we're seeing, particularly how well Trump performs relative to Biden
Speaker 3: on voter who are like not sure they're going to vote, right,
Speaker 3: I think this might be the first election where a
Speaker 3: higher turnout would be bad for Biden.
Speaker 4: But I also don't know.
Speaker 3: I think if any if this depresses, I think you
Speaker 3: are right that if this depresses turnout, it's going to
Speaker 3: be worse. It's going to be Biden turnout, right, Although
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I just don't know. I feel just
Speaker 3: like I don't want to do the easy thing would
Speaker 3: be to just like pick a lane and stay in it.
Speaker 3: And but I if it comes to my honest opinion,
Speaker 3: I still have no fucking clue how this is going
Speaker 3: to go. Because at no point has this been election
Speaker 3: been about do you think Joe Biden will be a
Speaker 3: good president. It's been about are you scared of Donald Trump?
Speaker 4: Right? I don't know that you're less scared.
Speaker 3: I think the worry for Biden is that people are
Speaker 3: now more scared that he is going to sleepwalk his
Speaker 3: way through a nuclear war as opposed to Trump at
Speaker 3: least being lucid for it. But I just don't know
Speaker 3: how that's going to actually shake out in the long run.
Speaker 2: God bless the USA.
Speaker 4: We do and great, good conventions are gonna be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stay tuned.
Speaker 4: He could be dead in a week.
Speaker 2: That really is like the wild car that he could
Speaker 2: be dead tonight on the back of my brain all
Speaker 2: the time is like either one of these guys, especially
Speaker 2: Biden could just like not exist tomorrow, like he could.
Speaker 2: He could just he could have He could get a
Speaker 2: little too stressed out and just kind of fall over.
Speaker 5: I mean, they could meaningfully make the argument tomorrow that
Speaker 5: like that's been a significant decline in his health and
Speaker 5: he is not physically capable of being president because that's
Speaker 5: what we saw, Like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't. He looks bad like.
Speaker 2: If he was. I don't think they will.
Speaker 3: If the things, whatever things you consider worst and for
Speaker 3: me with Biden it's it's the border in Palestine. But
Speaker 3: if whatever things you consider worst about Biden weren't a thing,
Speaker 3: I would purely be like for this man's health and safety.
Speaker 3: Get him out of this job, get him somewhere comfortable,
Speaker 3: let him enjoy his final years. Don't make him do this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, it's good, It's not right. Fuck.
Speaker 5: Part of me wants to read this Jeff ted Rich
Speaker 5: tweet to finish at a.
Speaker 3: Certain point, we're all complicit in elder abuse. But I
Speaker 3: guess they but we are for both of them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like in certain ways, In some ways, the American system
Speaker 3: is pushing these two sick old men towards the disastrous.
Speaker 2: That's also why I can't trust anything they say on
Speaker 2: social Security, because they clearly have a vested interest.
Speaker 4: I can't see.
Speaker 5: I will say, we saw the president of Olivia face
Speaker 5: down a coup yesterday. I think that that would not
Speaker 5: be possible for either of these men in.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 2: All right, I want to go cry and go to sleep.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's bad. That's good.
Speaker 5: Make some friends, guys.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep drinking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do a little mutual aid.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm gonna buy some of the Biden water
Speaker 3: with company money.
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