WEBVTT - Presidential Debate Recap: Senility Edition 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:02.920 Also media. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:06.280 This is that could happen. 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:06.480 Here. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:11.600 We're talking about the r presidential debate starring Donald Trump 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.760 and Joe Biden, which was by far the worst presidential 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:16.520 debate I've ever seen in my entire life. 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:17.880 There's no competition. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.640 There's no competition like I remember the days when we 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.320 laughed at George W. Bush sucking up ed a debate. 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.520 He would he would clean up with these guys. He 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.240 would be sashing across the floor. 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.040 You could drop Sarah Palin in here, yeah, and shew them. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.960 Sarah Palin comes out of us looking like Bob fucking Hope. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.199 So I'm Garrison Davis, I'm joined by Robert Evans and 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.880 James Stout. Let's uh, let's get into it. I guess 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.479 who do you think, quote unquote won the debate? 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.440 I can tell you who fucking lost. Garrisons all of us. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:56.920 I mean, I will. 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.880 I'll go into this later. I'm not sure it matters, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.680 but if the debate matters, Trump won totally. If the 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.360 debate matters, Trump won. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.760 You know that was my same thought as well. He 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.640 definitely was a much better debater and had much better 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:17.240 like political rhetoric. He could form complete sentences which is 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.400 something you could not say of Joe Biden, and that's 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:21.800 not that's not hyperbole. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.720 I actually argue with the first two thirds of your 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:30.080 analysis there, because I don't think in argument terms, if 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.679 we're looking at this as a debate, Trump repeated, like 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.759 if I were scoring this the way you would competition. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.399 Trump repeatedly followed Biden on these like Biden would goad 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.600 him with shit like what he said, what Trump said 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.920 after charlott'svilleer all like Trump's height and him lying about 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:49.520 fucking golf scores, and Trump always took the bait. Why 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.960 I think Trump won is that this is not going 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.280 to get consumed as a debate. People aren't going to 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.160 look at this and like, look at the whole sweep 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.200 of how they both shre which Biden would still very 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.360 likely lose, but it's less clear this is gonna get 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.120 cut up a million ways on TikTok, and it's Trump's 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:07.800 just got a lot more AMMO out of this fucker. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:08.720 Yeah. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.840 The very first thing I noticed is that both of 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:15.240 them looked barely awake as he went on screen. And 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.040 so I did get a debate bingo, I almost got two, 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.120 I almost got three. I was very proud of that. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.800 I guess I don't know. We can we can go 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.600 over some of some of what some of what they 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.840 talked about, because yeah, why not. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.240 Do you want to hate? Do you want to hate 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.160 Jill Biden's review? Just just get that out of the 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:33.840 way real quick. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:34.959 Yeah, did he get Jill? 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:40.280 Give it Jill, Judge, Jill, doctor, Jill Biden. Such a 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.520 great job. You answered every question. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.160 Fantastic, that's amazing stuff. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.680 Yeah, yeah, he did, answered coherently not so much. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.000 We uh, we had we had an inject bleach reference 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.560 from Biden very early on. 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.440 And that was that was one of his better ploys. 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:02.280 Unfortunately followed it up by mumble incoherently for like forty seconds. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.160 Yeah, yes, but I was glad to hear it dropped. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.440 Yeah, he was well pred he just did not he executed. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.240 Look here's what I'll say. I've said this about Joe 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.760 for a while. If you were looking at this man, 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.320 not as the president, but as like a relative, you 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.280 would say, well, he's doing you know, uncle Joe's doing 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.560 okay for eighty two, you know, like he's so most 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.800 he's eighty six. If he'll be eighty six if he 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.600 does a second term at the end of it. But 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.560 like if he were a regular person, you would say, uncle, 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.840 Joe's doing okay for eighty two, Maybe we should take 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:36.280 the keys. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:37.440 You know. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:39.320 Maybe he doesn't need he doesn't need to be in 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.080 a home. You know, that would not be the right 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.280 call at this moment. But maybe he shouldn't have he 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:44.600 shouldn't be driving, you know. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:45.920 Yeah. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.960 So one of the smart things I think Trump did 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.120 very early on is that he attacked the vaccine mandate 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.440 but not the vaccine. Yeah, that was one of the 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.120 more subtle moves that he did that I think he 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:58.160 pulled off very well. 0:03:58.520 --> 0:03:59.680 Yeah, Joe just gave it up. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.920 One of the one of the record trends with Trump 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.120 is that he really loved to call the United States 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.480 a third world nation and say we are now an 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.120 uncivilized nation. That was That was like one of the 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.400 many things Trump kept going back to because he Trump 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.520 really did just have like five things he just kept 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.159 talking about over and over and over again. He mostly 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.880 ignored the actual questions from moderators. The moderators themselves did 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.400 a really bad job both the questions they had and 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.320 also like actually controlling controlling the candidates and keep and 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.520 keeping them on topic. But in general, I think the 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.440 questions that they did were just kind of bizarre. Thirdal 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.640 nation was a very common refrain from Trump. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.120 And one thing that like Trump, Trump did badly more 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.360 than Biden, or like you can see how Biden's team 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.599 prepped him on it and then he screwed the boots 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.160 on it. But like Biden would say these things that 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.880 he knew would trigger Trump, like his weight and his height, 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.120 right or yeah, the very good people on both sides 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.240 and Trump completely felt for that hootline thing. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.120 You can tell Trump has been obsessing over the little 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.720 things that people say about, like how he treated handled 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.080 stuff like the alt right and whatnot. Like he's very 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.200 angry about some of that, which is interesting to me 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.960 because it wasn't the smart move. The smart move was like, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:15.280 as Garret noted, Trump very I think intelligently pivoted on 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.479 the vaccine issue to like still being able to take 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.719 credit for it with some audiences while also making clear 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.520 that his issue was the mandates. Whenever Trump was on 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.240 the economy, I think, even though I don't agree that 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.000 he was the better president for the economy, I think 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:35.000 that he performed strongly on stage. He spent a lot 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:36.920 of time in the weeds. If we're going to use 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.280 golf metaphors, he kept like knocking shit into the sand 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.240 dunes and having to like. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:44.600 Thank you for raising golf from it. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:46.280 You're welcome, You're welcome. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.239 Because this had the longest golf digression of any presidential 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:50.000 lookit of everything. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.600 He had like a two minute argument over whether they 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.919 could play golf against each other and who would. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.320 Win and whose handicap was what in the eighties. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:00.720 What I saw in this is you've got two men 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.800 who are not at are past their prime. And the 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.479 reason why this in large part went Trump's way is 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.400 that Biden has never been a good public speaker. That 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.640 has never been his strength. He has a speech impediment, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.599 right that he worked and got over much of his career, 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.760 but when you are older, you have less control over everything, 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.479 and we can see it coming back, right. There's no 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.640 there ought not be any shame in that. But also 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.479 it does affect the way people think. This is a 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.159 horrible country full of terrible people. People do not forgive 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.760 a speech impediment, right. But more to the point, the 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.120 thing that Biden is showing his age in most all, 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.560 as we all do. It's the shit that we're bad at. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.920 We get a lot worse at, right, And you can 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.440 kind of hide how much you've aged when you're doing 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.920 something that is clearly your talent. You know, my grandpa 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.960 near the you know, fairly late in his Parkinson's journey, 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.159 could still like gut and clean and catch a fish 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.880 really well. It wasn't until pretty advanced that he lost 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.480 that ability, and it was almost like you could see 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.760 some of that skill returned to him. And like Trump 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.039 is a talker, Trump is a charismatic guy. He is 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.200 good at working a crowd. You can tell he is 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.440 falling off in his inability to the fact that he 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.520 keeps falling for all of these very obvious traps Joe 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.840 Biley and he spent a lot of time in the weeds, 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.000 but he still sounds a lot stronger. And this is 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:22.400 entirely a contest of who can look best on camera, right, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.280 And yeah, it's of course Trump's going to win. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.760 I think the first really big topic that they that 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.800 they started to argue back and forth on was abortion. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.120 It started by Trump saying that he is pro the 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.600 abortion pill, and he's pro the Supreme Court's recent rule 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.800 leg which he kind of mischaracterized, but that's still he's 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.520 anything coming from Trump saying that he's he's okay with 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:44.880 the with the abortion pill. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.760 He even brought up being okay with a nine month 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.800 abortion if it's for the life of the mother, which 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:51.920 was interesting to me. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.239 But then they spent a long time arguing over whether 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.800 Roe v. Wade means that you can kill babies after exactly. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.120 Yes, right birth, And that was that was a that 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.680 was an interesting I don't think that that interaction. I 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.400 don't know how much it's gonna matter, but it didn't 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.480 come off well for Trump because. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.000 He he didn't come off well for Trump. That was 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:13.240 I think this is one of the few things he 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.440 did not do well in of course, you know, Biden 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:20.240 has done very little to secure reproductive rights as as 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.800 the current president. We all we all know this, but 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:24.760 this did not come off well for Trump. They were 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.440 basically just arguing back and forth over whether Biden wants 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.080 to kill baby's post birth, which is just a ridiculous 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:31.640 thing to to argue. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.439 It was a shameful chain of arguments, right YEA. George 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.240 Bush would have insinuated the same thing but done it 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.600 in a way. But that left everyone feeling less gross, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.640 and that's why he did so many terrible things. It's 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.120 just interesting that we've stripped so much of the shellac 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.319 off of it and now they are just because in 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.120 George W. Bush's day, we were still the Republicans, were 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.160 still calling Democrats baby killers. There was just it's interesting 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.400 how much of the sheen is gone. Maybe a little 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:02.160 more class, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe maybe it's not all 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.280 bad that we're not pretending anymore, right, Like, there's no 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.000 pretending on this stage. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.360 Both men are clearly not doing well. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.400 Yeah, the system itself is not pretending, right Like, we 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.719 just got a couple of fucking Egypts and what we do, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:16.800 We'm stole one of them. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.080 Like something I will never pretend to do is is 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.520 dislike our products and services that support this podcast. I 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.120 love them. I would never pretend otherwise. So go listen 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:25.720 to these ads. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.920 Okay we are back, Yeah, yeah, still here we are. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.600 I don't know, I feel good. I feel good about 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:44.480 America today. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.640 You think so, you think the right direction? 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:48.480 You know, it's not that. 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.400 We're heading in the right direction. We've never been heading 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.760 in a very good direction. The driver has always been drunk, 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.880 right and Finally, forty five minutes into the drive, he 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.640 just was like, look, man, I'm not doing great right now, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.680 and I'm not gonna get this car back home unless 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.960 you bust open the center console where I keep a 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.800 handle of bourbon. And you're scared of the driver because 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.040 he has a gun and you don't know what he'll 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:14.760 do with it. You're not even sure if he can 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.240 really see you in anyway. That's how it feels to 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:18.120 watch the selection. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:23.720 Let's talk about immigration, one of the other main main 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.319 topics in this debate. 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.840 And that went bad for Biden. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.920 Trump had a fantastic line saying Border Patrol endorsed me 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.679 for president, but I won't say that, which is amazing stuff. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:40.400 They both claimed border Patrol endorsed them too. Yeah, the Border. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.160 Patrol itself doesn't make endorsements, right, but the Border Patrol Union, 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.400 which is worth the worst accounts on Twitter, did clarify 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:47.480 that they endorsed Trump. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.760 So there was a lot of bad stuff with abortion. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.000 I mean, James, did you do any thoughts overall in 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.160 the abortion discourse. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:59.320 The debate, the immigration discourse. Yes, Wow, that was a 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.080 real Biden moment for you. Gar Garrison, Yeah, Garrison Davis 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.800 elderly members of podcast. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.880 Somebody get Garrison as pet pills? 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:11.040 I wish. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.880 Yeah, they're they're fog in the air and Atlanta tonight. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:20.280 All right, the discourse over aboard Jesus Christ. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.160 They're bringing abortions with him, Garrison, don't worry, there's okay, 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:23.600 there's a. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:28.080 Pretty great Onion headline report. Oh they're about to talk 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:29.040 about black people. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.640 Oh god, yeah yeah. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.440 Another fine moment of this debate, the fucking black job 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.520 saying yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Circu immigration and talking immigration right, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.080 just real quick, Donald Trump kept throwing out this eighteen 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:42.800 million number. 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.960 Fuck knows where that comes from. Yeah, that was just 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:52.760 all the numbers, like fully from the rectum to the 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.880 debate stage. But look, boy, patrol have reported nine point 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.720 six encounters. I've beaten this horse to death. But encounter 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.160 does not represent a unique vidual. Right, people go and 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.000 come back when when they get deported back, very common 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.760 both of them, like, like, the what I actually want 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.800 to focus on is the way that Jake Tappa framed 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.079 that question, because it was fucking atrocious, right like it. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:14.839 He didn't frame it in a way in which either 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.439 of them, if they had wanted to, could offer a 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.840 reasonable compassionate stance and immigration right. It was positive as 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.360 a terrible thing. And yeah you Foxy in and next 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:25.720 time you come dming me asking me. 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.280 The scummy scummy shit, Yeah, it was for the For 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.920 the record, Jake Tapper should be hit in the head 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.320 with a with a I don't know, truck or something. 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:41.000 But podcaster Robert Evans threatens violence against CNN anchor Jake Taper. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.800 In a way he supported violence against me, So I 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.240 think I have that right with Jake. 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:46.199 That is true. 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.560 He's he's a dog shit journalist. And this was the 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.000 worst moderated debate because Trump is just lying. Everything he 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.640 says is absolutely full of shit. And half of the 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.600 ship that Biden says, it's hard to tell what he 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.360 was even trying to say, and there was no tempt 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.520 to make it. They they treated this like Werner Herzog 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.680 would have filmed it, right, But they're too Herzog would 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.760 have done this way because like, my job is not. 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:10.680 To interfere here. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.360 My job is to let this unfold, right, I don't 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.079 need now. Herzog would interfere if that would have made 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.720 it a better story. But he loves artists. These people 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.679 are journalists. Yeah, these people are journalists, and your job 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.840 was to attempt to both hold them accountable to some 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.120 standard of reality and also to attempt to present this 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.920 in a way that's intelligible, right, and you failed on 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.400 both accounts. You did bad jobs as journalists. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.280 I think for me, the best and worst line of 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.960 the debate in terms of like, oh wow, we're really 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:50.000 in it is is Trump saying that migrants are taking 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:54.640 black jobs, which is one of the most loaded statements 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.520 I've ever heard, because, for one, you know, it's weird 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.760 on like the migrant thing, be like that, that's really 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.280 your black jobs? 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.240 What is a black yet? 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.280 What do you think he's implying there? 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.960 I think we know what he's there. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:12.400 He's implying farm work. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.440 He's talking about like working in the fields. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.040 Low skilled jobs is what he is talking about. Yes, 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.640 that's how he sees this. But what I where I 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:25.120 think that came from. My suspicion is that because the 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.440 Trump campaign is still consistently extremely weak with black voters, right, 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.200 they've actually made a lot of inroads with Hispanic voters. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.520 Trump in this debate, Yeah, they are still based on 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.360 all of the polling I've seen, they're about as bad 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.520 with black voters as they weren't twenty twenty. That really 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.320 has not moved. What you have seen on that is 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.160 not really based in much of the way of evidence, 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.640 at least in terms of what polling can show us. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.320 They know this is a weakness, and it's one that 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.840 they see as a significant strategic weakness. So at some 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.520 point Trump had a meeting with his campaign prep staff 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.080 and one of the things they wrote on a billboard 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.720 is they were spitball ideas to get black voters was 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.960 migrants taking black jobs question mark, and that stayed in 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.880 Trump's head totally. They had a million better ways to 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.120 phrase it, but when the moment came up, that's how 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:11.760 he fucking ran. 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:16.960 That is no guarantee you exactly what happened. It just yes, totally. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:22.400 It also displays a somehow extremely anti immigrant and extremely 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:27.240 racist at all the same time coming remarkable directions. It's 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.040 quite something. One of another another great line was human 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.200 trafficking in women and just another another wonder. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.600 Human trafficking in women. I'm glad. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.360 I'm glad that women do make the human list though, 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:41.320 like that feels like progress. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.760 Garrison, we did it, Joe. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.080 Anything else on the immigration front. I mean, it was 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.080 as bad as we would expect. Honestly, I thought that 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.640 would try to go further on the right on immigration 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.000 than what he ended up doing. Not saying he did 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.960 well on immigration, but I expected I picked Biden to 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:01.920 kind of to kind of push a little a little 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:02.400 bit more. 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.640 He's not comfortable with it, clearly because he made he 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.720 got so much of his win on highlighting the obvious 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:14.840 inhumanity of Trump's border policy, and he obviously has adopted 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.160 a policy that's very similar. 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.720 Yeah, I mean he tried to hit him on the 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.760 separation of families. Families are still fucking separated, Like I've 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.240 literally seen that this week. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.880 Well, I just don't think he's I don't think he's 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.640 comfortable fighting Trump on this because I don't really think 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.080 he has a great feeling about their their where they're 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.400 separate on the matter, right, So he's not comfortable with 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.080 that line of argument the way he is. Like Biden's 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.000 best moment was attacking him for like being shitty to 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:47.320 dead soldiers, and I was shocked that Trump followed him 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.200 on that. Fucking they talked about that. So it was 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.000 a huge It was as big as the economy they 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:54.880 talked about. 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.880 Like veterans for so long and just like weird circles. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.240 That that was an interesting one. A few other just 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.280 fun lines that were thrown in, Biden calling them the 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.399 Paris Piece accords, very cool. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:07.280 Funny stuff. 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.120 Biden's saying that Trump has the mortals of an alley cat. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:12.119 That's a great line. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.320 That was a good line. That's a great that was 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.680 That was again, this was number one. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.480 He didn't slur any of us where I'm not saying 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.679 that to be shitty, but it affects his performance. He 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.560 was very clear in the leanup of like these are 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.040 the he's a bad person, which he is. That's a 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.840 strong thing to hit him on. And I hope again 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.159 we'll talk more about like will this matter, but I 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.560 hope strategically what the dims realizes that like that is 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.960 a thing to keep hitting him on because it actually 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.200 matters in terms of like how voters think of the guys. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.639 It's it's a way to actually hurt Trump because he 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.480 is a really obviously shitty person. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.119 One other thing Trump did in terms of you know 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.240 this whole black jobs thing is Trump did hammer Biden 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:55.400 on super predators. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:57.800 Yeah, that was interesting to say. 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.960 I feel like Trump actually did a did an okay job. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.879 They're it's not me endorsing Trump's behavior, but this is 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.840 this is He's like that was that was a good 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:05.480 move for him? 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.359 Is an interesting one too. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.399 I was kind of surprised that he he went for it, 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.040 because that's like, yeah, that was surprising. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:15.760 Do you know what isn't surprising, Robert? 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.320 How much we love the sponsors of this podcast? 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:21.159 Who are you know? 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.280 I often think of the president as like a father, 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.480 you know, or like my father during different times. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:27.679 Right. 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.080 Trump is like my father that time he brought a 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.639 home the movie Event Horizon, thinking it would be like 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.320 a fun little science fiction rop and Biden is like 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:42.159 my dad when he's snuck in the South Park movie, 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.320 but he had not gotten the right language version, so 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.479 we couldn't actually watch it. Right, They're all they're different 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.360 eras of everyone's dad. I don't know these sponsors are 0:18:52.400 --> 0:19:04.880 our father. Anyway, We're back. 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.280 So one thing that I'm looking forward to is that 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.240 if Trump does get elected, he will settle the Ukraine 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.479 War as president elect. So that's great news for all 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:19.680 of us. I'm excited before he's even inaugurated. That down 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:21.760 that was really. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:26.200 The Yeah, it's interesting to see him kind of adopt 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.400