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Speaker 1: the Dog Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're

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Speaker 1: having the greatest day ever ever. No, you're too kind.

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Speaker 2: I feel good.

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Speaker 1: You do you feel good?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel good too. I feel good too. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We got some football to get to We got some

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Speaker 1: basketball to get to it. You're a John Caliperi had

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Speaker 1: to say about how long he wants to coach. Matt

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Speaker 1: Holliday will be our guest. We'll talk about the baseball series,

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Speaker 1: which it's weird right because they're both teams are going

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Speaker 1: home up two games to none. It feels like these

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Speaker 1: series are let down or a bummer. It's like, but

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Speaker 1: Game one was really really exciting between the Brewers and

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, especially in the ninth inning. And you can't

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Speaker 1: control how close series are. The most stunning one is

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Speaker 1: Toronto being down two games none. I did not see

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Speaker 1: that one coming. I don't think anybody did. But we'll

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Speaker 1: get to baseball in a second. So we got hoops,

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Speaker 1: we got Penn State their pursuit. Guess who is their

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Speaker 1: rumored to be pursuing. I don't actually believe it, but

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Speaker 1: that's okay. Daniel Jeremiah's going to join us. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: some NFL football. Gosh, but I want to start with baseball,

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Speaker 1: and I want to start with the Dodgers and the

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Speaker 1: Brewers series. Yamamoto pitches a complete game this after Blake

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Speaker 1: Snell faced twenty four batters, which is the minimum in

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Speaker 1: eight innings. Think about that, you faced the minimum number

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Speaker 1: eight innings. So I just I know that last year

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers' bullpen was everything. I know that if you

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Speaker 1: look at the trade deadline, everybody wants to fix their bullpen. Bullpen, bullpen, bullpen.

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Speaker 1: Forget about starter. What has been diminished in baseball, Just

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Speaker 1: like the mid range game in basketball has been diminished

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Speaker 1: because of analytics, starting pitching has been greatly diminished.

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Speaker 4: It used to be back in my day, back in

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Speaker 1: You needed two starters and a quality closure already, he said, up, up, man,

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Speaker 1: maybe you Lefty to get you out of a jam.

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Speaker 1: And that's about it. Well, a funny thing happened on

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Speaker 1: what if we had the two best starting pitchers and

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Speaker 1: probably should have let Blake Snell go the distance. The

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Speaker 1: crazy part about it is that show, hey, Otani hasn't

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Speaker 1: the past. And so you have Yamamoto who's was filthy, filthy,

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Speaker 1: Blake Snell, who filthy and has been filthy in the

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Speaker 1: World Series in the playoffs before the Dodgers took analytics

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Speaker 1: and said, what if we just had the best starting

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Speaker 1: withstand all the injuries. That's how you're able to slowly

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Speaker 1: But there's lots of things that the data supports, and

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Speaker 1: They weren't answered in Game one. Those questions are right

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Speaker 1: there Sasaki, who's a starter, and again he's a guy

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Speaker 1: I watched Games one and two and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: And that's really it for this series. With limited production

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Speaker 1: Not a foregone conclusion, but feels a little bit that way.

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Speaker 1: Here's Pat Murphy, who's the manager of the Brewers, talking

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Speaker 5: You know, both those pitchers were as dominant as two

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Speaker 5: we've chased all year. We've been the best in baseball.

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Speaker 5: Not chasing these pitchers brought out the worse than us. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: If I would have told you that the Dodgers are

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Speaker 5: there's a chance we won one of them, for sure.

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Speaker 5: You know, our pitching is beat up, you know that.

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Speaker 5: But I thought Freddie pitched well, and you know, I

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Speaker 5: had some good performances, but offensively, you've got to grind

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Speaker 5: The ball strike has been really at the core of

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Speaker 1: It can't. That's a it's a that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: Here's Dave Roberts, the manager of the Dodgers, on what

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Speaker 6: I see a real confidence. I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 6: I think that, you know, last year, certainly there was

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Speaker 6: this year he's got true confidence. For me, that third

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, whether it's Dave or upstairs that allowed

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Speaker 1: what did you think was going to happen last night?

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Speaker 7: I thought that they were going to go to one

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Speaker 7: I bet I was secured by the lead five to one,

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Speaker 7: so it didn't matter they could have brought in Tanner Scott,

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Speaker 7: I did scratch my head. There's a I don't understand

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Speaker 7: One of my I guess criticisms off of Game one

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Speaker 7: was because Dave took a chance for Blake Snell to

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Speaker 7: and one of the comments in that exchange was it's

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Speaker 7: hard to have a signature moment if you're a starting pitcher.

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Speaker 7: But Blake Snell had a chance to go out get

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Speaker 7: That's the signature moment. So I thought Dave took that

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Speaker 7: why bring Yama Motor out for the ninth if you

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the only thing I can

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Speaker 1: Is that is that fair? Like, just because you did

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying that there was much more incentive.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I am not disputing that. You and I

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Speaker 1: completely agree, Jason. It was a Don Larson esque pitching performance.

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Speaker 1: It made total sense. He was mowing him down. He's

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Speaker 1: to make the same decision, even if it's not nearly

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Speaker 1: of Green Bay, Wisconsin and Sherman Oaks, California. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're doing great. We think Jason Stewart's in a decent mood.

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Speaker 1: Right decent mood. I mean, as Dodgers are of two

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Speaker 1: the Brewers are going to be super competitive. I guess

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Speaker 1: Jay stew we'll get to midway. But I know nobody

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Speaker 1: wants to count their chickens for they're hatched. But you

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Speaker 2: Hey yet, I don't even know.

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Speaker 7: I don't think Isaac has heard this analogy, so I

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Speaker 7: listeners who haven't heard it, I've likened being a Dodger

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Speaker 9: Wow, that escalated quickly. Yeah, you know what, I could

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Speaker 1: It's like you'll keep going back from more regardless of it.

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Speaker 7: It's one of my biggest criticisms of the baseball playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 7: I'll take it from here. I'll tell you what. I

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Speaker 7: I know Isaac could think of something more witty than

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Speaker 7: An easy answer for that one, right, Penn State's got

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Speaker 1: a It's a league that was dominant an il comes

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Speaker 1: out and some of the investments were bad, some of

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Speaker 1: the teams are bad. Now it's just amazing. It's an

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Speaker 1: amazing league. It's way better than everybody else. And when

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Speaker 1: I call out a league, I'm not saying the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: I think the Big Ten is second, maybe not a

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Speaker 1: close second this year because the injuries, especially quarterback. But

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Speaker 1: I think the comparison to Big ten SEC and like

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Speaker 1: Big twelve ACC, you have a gigantic cap. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying Miami. Miami has loaded up financially and they

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Speaker 1: have it all for a college football team, But overall,

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Speaker 1: the ACC is pales in comparison. Overall the Big twelve

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Speaker 1: pales in comparison. Those are good teams. It's just a

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Speaker 1: different lower level of football because of the financial investment

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Speaker 1: the SEC and the Big Ten at any anybody else,

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Speaker 1: Boom Midway.

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Speaker 1: App Stuck Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. So sec media

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Speaker 1: days are ongoing, and it is weird right that John

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Speaker 1: Caliperry's head coach at Arkansas. It does take a little

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Speaker 1: second to kind of get that reset right, like Arkansas, Yeah, Arkansas, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how long is he gonna do it? Right? Here's John

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Speaker 1: Caliperry when he talked about when he'll likely retire.

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Speaker 3: I want to help twenty five to thirty more families.

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Speaker 3: The only way you do that is your transformational as

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Speaker 3: a coach. You're not transactional. If I become transactional, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna pay you this to do this and that, then

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Speaker 3: I won't do this anymore. I don't need to.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really interesting way of look at

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Speaker 1: It's it's one of the parts that a lot of

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Speaker 1: these coaches don't like. It's like I don't want to

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Speaker 1: transactional relationship. I love that. It's a great way to

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Speaker 1: put it, and you kind of got to guard yourself

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Speaker 1: against it. Does that mean that they aren't going to

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Speaker 1: end up being transactional relationships even when they begin as transformational. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's plenty of guys who he feels like

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Speaker 1: he transformed their lives and like, it's not really that

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Speaker 1: one down. But I get what he's saying. I get

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Speaker 1: what he's saying, But I also think that there's a

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Speaker 1: certain car salesman element to it that we all know

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Speaker 1: is the perception. And John cal Perry's never shied away

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Speaker 1: from the perception of who he is and what he's

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Speaker 1: about and how his program works. He talks about the players,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to change his families, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's a little much, it comes across a little steep,

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Speaker 1: but I know what he's saying. He wants to his

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Speaker 1: whole thing is about life changing wealth that you make

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Speaker 1: in the NBA, not the the not the quick buck

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Speaker 1: that you're going to make in college basketball. It's fair,

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Speaker 1: it's fair, But reality is he's got to win, and

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Speaker 1: his old ways of doing it of bringing in five

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Speaker 1: freshmen and sprinkling in some veterans and then five more freshmen,

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Speaker 1: that's a hard way to live in this day and

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Speaker 1: age it is. He brought back most of his crew

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Speaker 1: from last year. That's why they think they'll be pretty good.

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Speaker 1: But I, you know, it's not as transformational, and it's

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Speaker 1: more transactional than he's giving it credit. But I do

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Speaker 1: think that's the key to this whole thing. That's the

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Speaker 1: difference between the old Guard and the New Guard. The

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Speaker 1: new Guard's like, it's transactional whatever. You know, they don't

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Speaker 1: have to worry about us. I don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: about them after next year. If we don't want them around,

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Speaker 1: we to get rid of them. If they want to

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Speaker 1: be with us, we get rid of them again. That's

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Speaker 1: the new age of thinking. I do not think that way.

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Speaker 1: I guess i'd be old school. This is John cal

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Speaker 1: Perry being old school, which is, hey, I just I

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Speaker 1: want to help these kids for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 1: It does still work in recruiting. It is still true

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Speaker 1: if you if you want to be true, even after

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Speaker 1: they leave, even after they transfer, you can choose to

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Speaker 1: stay in contact with them or not. You know, kids don't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they find it weird. I still talk to some

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Speaker 1: of my former players, and I've only been doing this

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Speaker 1: for a year and guys I wanted to stay left.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens, not all of them, but a couple

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Speaker 1: of them that left. I prefer they stayed. We still communicate.

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Speaker 1: I want to be that guy in their corner forever.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that at the level and the

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Speaker 1: amount that Arkansas is playing at, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's truly possible. I don't know if that's truly possible.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking a lot about the mostly the NLCS

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Speaker 1: more so than the Alcyes. We'll get to that as well.

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Speaker 1: Matt Holliday is our guest, seven time All Star, four

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Speaker 1: times Silver Slugger, and father of a big leaguer and

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Speaker 1: as soon to be big leaguer and Ethan Holliday, who

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Speaker 1: was the fourth pick and last year's this year's Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball Draft, Matt, let let's start with with Blake Snell.

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Speaker 1: I started the show just so you know with I

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Speaker 1: understand analytics, I understand data, I understand what you're suposed

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Speaker 1: to do, why you're supposed to do it. But there

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Speaker 1: still is a place for big time starting pitching. Right.

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Speaker 1: The last couple of years had been about an opener,

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Speaker 1: and even last year's Dodgers really it's about their middle

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Speaker 1: relief more than anything. But through two games, they're starting

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Speaker 1: pitching has been dominant. Is this an outlier? Why? Why

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Speaker 1: are the Dodgers Why have they been able to be

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Speaker 1: so dominant with starting pitching when starting pitching in the past,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, decade or so has been diminished year

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Speaker 1: after year.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think that the fact that they signed some

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Speaker 11: of the best ones. I mean, I mean you talk

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Speaker 11: about Snow, he's one of si young in both leagues.

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Speaker 11: And then they bring over the best starting pitcher from

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Speaker 11: Japan a couple of years maybe apart. So they've brought

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Speaker 11: over you know that they obviously they got show Hay

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Speaker 11: from the Angel that they bring over the best starting

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Speaker 11: pitcher in Japan, and they loaded up before the season.

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Speaker 11: And I would argue that before the season they had

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Speaker 11: they had ten starters penciled in they would probably all

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Speaker 11: of them would start in almost every rotation in baseball.

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Speaker 11: So I think they looked at last year's team, despite

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Speaker 11: the fact that they won the World Series with primarily relievers,

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Speaker 11: like you said earlier, and they said, we don't know

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Speaker 11: that that's sustainable, and so, you know, they go out

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Speaker 11: they put an incredibly talented rotation together and then you know,

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Speaker 11: like I said, Snell was he basically pitched I think

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Speaker 11: seventy something innings during the regular season, and so they

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Speaker 11: had the they had the ability to not push him,

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Speaker 11: and they maybe went through some dead arm stuff and

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Speaker 11: just when you're when you're that good and you have

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Speaker 11: that kind of depth and you have that kind of

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Speaker 11: you know, the reality is they were going to be

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Speaker 11: in the playoffs. So what you do is you have

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Speaker 11: you have the ability to let Snow get completely healthy

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Speaker 11: and then he's peaking at the end of the season

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Speaker 11: and rolling into the playoffs pitching better than I've ever

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Speaker 11: seen me. His command, you know, he's struggled with walks, uh,

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Speaker 11: you know, in his career, and that's always kind of

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Speaker 11: been a little bit of his bugaboo that he has

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Speaker 11: to come out early in the games because he throws

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Speaker 11: so many pitches. But he's throwing strikes. He's pitching the

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Speaker 11: high nineties. He's got a slider and a curve and

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Speaker 11: a changeup that he's pitching he's using more and so

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Speaker 11: I mean, he's he's been dominant. And then you know,

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Speaker 11: like I said, they've got they've got a lot of

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Speaker 11: a lot of good options in the rotation. I've always thought, Doug,

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Speaker 11: if you're you're starting pitching is good, you have a

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Speaker 11: great chance to win. Now there's been some some bullpenning,

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Speaker 11: and you know, there's been some a little bit of

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Speaker 11: a little bit of uh, you know, some of the

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Speaker 11: opener stuff and maybe some some things, and philosophy has

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Speaker 11: changed a bit. And I think people looked at the

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Speaker 11: Dodgers last year and and said, well, you know, you

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Speaker 11: can win the World Series with a good bullten But

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Speaker 11: I've always thought that the team you start with the rotation,

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Speaker 11: and that's where you build around.

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Speaker 1: Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's amazing

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Speaker 1: about the Dodgers two games to none lead is that

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Speaker 1: they've done it with limited help from Mookie and just

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Speaker 1: one hit from show Hey, right, that ground ball would

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Speaker 1: scored a run. Let's start with show Hay. Why is

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Speaker 1: he struggling? What are they doing to cause the greatest

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Speaker 1: hitter in the game to struggle so far through too?

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Speaker 11: You know, he looks a little in between. I don't

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Speaker 11: know if people understand what that means. It looks to

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Speaker 11: me like he's a little late on the fastball. He's

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Speaker 11: he's a little out in front of the off speed.

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Speaker 11: So I think they've pitched him enough back and forth

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Speaker 11: with starting him with off speed or starting with fastball,

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Speaker 11: pitching him in, pitching him down. I think they've done

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Speaker 11: a really good job of moving the ball around on him.

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Speaker 11: And he just looks to me like he's a little

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Speaker 11: off on his approach. And then now it looks like

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Speaker 11: it's in his head a little bit, and so I

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Speaker 11: I last night he took a swing on a high

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Speaker 11: fastball that you just don't see him do very often,

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Speaker 11: and his look on his face was that of a

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Speaker 11: hitter that I know that face very well of. I'm

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Speaker 11: a little lost, I'm in my own dome, like I'm

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Speaker 11: thinking too much. You know, it looks like he's getting

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Speaker 11: pitches right now to where you know, obviously, when hitters

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Speaker 11: are really good, their their timing is ready for the

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Speaker 11: fastball and they're reacting to the off speed in a

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Speaker 11: way that you know allows their body to still hit

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Speaker 11: both pitches. And it looked to me like he's he's

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Speaker 11: a and you know, Doug, I've heard that he's very

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Speaker 11: much into he videos every swing I've had is right there.

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Speaker 11: Even during batting practice, in the cage, and so he's

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Speaker 11: very meticulous with every thing he takes and his mechanics,

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Speaker 11: and sometimes that's you know, that serves him well obviously,

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Speaker 11: but sometimes you know, that could get get in your

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Speaker 11: head a little bit. You start thinking about your mechanics

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Speaker 11: and then the next thing you know, you're you're a

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Speaker 11: little bit lost. But you know, these two starting pitchers

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Speaker 11: have carried them and allowed those guys to not have

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Speaker 11: to do much offensively.

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Speaker 1: How how hard is that to fix when you're in

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Speaker 1: the series, Like, how do you if some's in your head?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Because I remember you had a time this year when

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Speaker 1: you went down, you helped out help Jackson out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's different, he's a younger player. This is you know,

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Speaker 1: arguably the greatest to ever do it. How long does

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Speaker 1: it take to to get that, to flush that out?

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Speaker 1: Get out of your head?

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Speaker 11: You know it? It's one swing, you know, he'd I

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Speaker 11: think he has that heart single RBI single late in

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Speaker 11: the game yesterday. It's you know for him, you know

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Speaker 11: when you're talking about just a brilliant talent combined with

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Speaker 11: you know, obviously someone whose mental attitude was off the

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Speaker 11: charts as well. I mean i'd be surprised if if

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Speaker 11: he doesn't get hot. You know, that's the one thing

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Speaker 11: about the Dodgers. They they're all they're you know, they're

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Speaker 11: they're they're they're MVPs. Haven't even got hot, and they're

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Speaker 11: still you know, sort of running through the playoffs with

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Speaker 11: with starting pitching and and some of their unsung heroes

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Speaker 11: coming up with big hits. And it feels it feels

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Speaker 11: a lot like an easy Dodger World Series championship. And

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Speaker 11: I'm sure Jay stew is cringing as I say that,

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Speaker 11: but that's what it feels like. I thought the Phillies

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Speaker 11: Dodgers series to me was the two best teams, and

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Speaker 11: I still feel that way.

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Speaker 1: Stuck Gotleab show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what

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Speaker 1: what about? What can the Brewers do right? Like it did?

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Speaker 1: It felt inevitable the last two nights because of the

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Speaker 1: starting pitching. Now you got show Hay right much easier

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Speaker 1: if you were to. I know how much Burth thinks

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Speaker 1: if you've used to call you and say, Matt, what

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Speaker 1: should we do? What's your advice?

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Speaker 11: You know, there's at this point to see and they

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Speaker 11: just kind of have to be who they are right,

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Speaker 11: try to get on base, try to try to hit

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Speaker 11: and run, trying to maybe move move the ball around

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Speaker 11: a little bit, try to put some people in motion

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Speaker 11: and try to try to make it hard on the Dodgers.

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Speaker 11: As far as putting a little pressure on them, Uh, look,

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Speaker 11: they don't. They don't have a guy of guys that

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Speaker 11: can hit homers. I mean, they have a few guys

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Speaker 11: that can sprinkle. You know, They've they've got you know,

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Speaker 11: Yellows hit twenty nine, I think, and in Turio has

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Speaker 11: shown some good power. But you know, when you look

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Speaker 11: at their lineup, they're they're gonna have to to find

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Speaker 11: ways to steal base and do things that they did

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Speaker 11: all year, which is which is how they they've won games.

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Speaker 11: But I mean, the bottom line is they got to hit.

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Speaker 11: I mean they're you know, obviously going up against those

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Speaker 11: two starters, it's it's no I mean, I'm not sure

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Speaker 11: any lineup would have had much success. But they have

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Speaker 11: to hit. They have to take a little pressure off

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Speaker 11: their pitching. It's hard when your your your rotation and

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Speaker 11: your your relievers know that you can't give up many

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Speaker 11: runs because you're having a hard time scoring. So there's

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Speaker 11: nothing much you can say, think, right, now Doug others

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Speaker 11: and just keep keep plugging away and uh and go

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Speaker 11: out there and maybe try to scratch a run early,

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Speaker 11: a little pressure on on the Dodgers and see if

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Speaker 11: they can't get a little momentum swished back in their favor.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to the Mariners dominance on the road

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Speaker 1: of the of the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 11: I am a little surprised. I mean, the Blue Jays

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Speaker 11: played really really well at home, so I'm kind of

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Speaker 11: surprised that they went in there and took too But

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Speaker 11: you know, they're hot. You know that that that game.

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Speaker 11: Sometimes those long games, extraating games, sometimes that can conzapt

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Speaker 11: you of energy and then sometimes that really can like

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Speaker 11: propel you into like, oh, this is our year. You know,

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Speaker 11: this is this is our you know, we've got the

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Speaker 11: we've got the mojo, this is this is uh, this

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Speaker 11: is going to be you know, I think that they

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Speaker 11: they're really building off of that game five against Detroit

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Speaker 11: and and took it into Toronto, and you know, it's

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Speaker 11: one of the you know baseball like they've been getting

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Speaker 11: runs early in the game and and uh, and that

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Speaker 11: puts a lot of pressure. In the postseason, you just

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Speaker 11: start to press a little bit, and and uh, I

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Speaker 11: am surprised. I didn't think that they would they would

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Speaker 11: win both in Toronto.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it wasn't close. And again the difference is

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Speaker 1: starting pitching, right, like their starting pitching got lit both games.

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Speaker 1: You know, Brewer starting pitching. Actually Game one was good

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Speaker 1: but didn't extend them. Hey, let me let me circle

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Speaker 1: back to the to the to the Dodgers just for

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Speaker 1: a second game one ninth inning, two run lead, would

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Speaker 1: you have put snellback out there? Well, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: three pitches.

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Speaker 11: You know, I just think that the way his season

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Speaker 11: has gone, I look, I mean yes, I think. You know,

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Speaker 11: if a guy's rolling, and the thing that sometimes for

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Speaker 11: me is how easy he's getting the team out. And

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Speaker 11: he was getting them out like seemingly without sweating like

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Speaker 11: it was. It looked like he was just like whatever

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Speaker 11: pitch he wanted and whatever count he wanted it, and

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Speaker 11: he was just locked in. And so for me, it's

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Speaker 11: it's hard to take that guy out now if the

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Speaker 11: you know, it's the seventh and eighth inning. Uh, he

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Speaker 11: was laboring a little bit and the pitch count was

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Speaker 11: high in one of those innings, but he seemed to

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Speaker 11: be getting better as he was going. But I don't

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Speaker 11: know what his pitch count high this year has been.

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Speaker 11: Like I said, he's only thrown I think only threw

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Speaker 11: seventy some innings in the regular season. So I think

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Speaker 11: you have to be you have to be a little

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Speaker 11: bit cautious for his next start because you know, you're

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Speaker 11: you're at this point, you're thinking, we're gonna make it

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Speaker 11: to the World Series. And if he goes out there

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Speaker 11: and I let him throw one hundred and twenty pitches

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Speaker 11: in him four days, he's super sore or you know,

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Speaker 11: I have to comes down as triceps tight or and

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Speaker 11: then all of a sudden, you know, it screws up

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Speaker 11: your plans for the World Series. So I mean, look,

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Speaker 11: I think you can look at it both ways. But

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Speaker 11: Dave Roberts knows, you know, obviously he's with them every

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Speaker 11: day and he knows the ins and out so and

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Speaker 11: then you know, the next night he let's he lets

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Speaker 11: the other guy throw the whole game. So I think

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Speaker 11: it probably has more to do with with Snells, maybe

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Speaker 11: just this this season and the way that you know,

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Speaker 11: maybe he's had a little bit of dead arm at

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Speaker 11: times and they've had to they've had to work around

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Speaker 11: some some injury stuff that probably kept him from sending

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Speaker 11: him back out.

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Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: what what can we learn, Like, what can we learn

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Speaker 1: from this baseball for future years?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Right, Like the the Brewers are they play mostly small ball,

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Speaker 1: really athletic, tremendous defensively, right, and they've they they've been

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Speaker 1: able to withstand injuries the past two years to get here.

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Speaker 1: The right they went from their bullpend being their secret

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Speaker 1: to now being their their secret sauce to now being

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Speaker 1: starting pitching at least in this series. And then they

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Speaker 1: just have an overwhelming lineup. Then you have the Mariners

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Speaker 1: and who make a late season acquisition for a big

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Speaker 1: home run hitter that seems to put them over the top.

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Speaker 1: Then obviously they got the Blue Jays as well. What

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Speaker 1: what's the takeaway? Like, where are we with baseball outside

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Speaker 1: of the Dodgers And they're seeming dominance that that's a

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Speaker 1: trend that other people are going to copy.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I think there's I think for me,

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Speaker 11: what it says is there's a lot of ways to win.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I think there's a lot of ways to

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Speaker 11: build teams that can get to this point. I mean,

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Speaker 11: I think you can build with starting pitching. I think

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Speaker 11: you know that you have enough offense. The Mariners have

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Speaker 11: had great starting pitching the last few years, but just

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Speaker 11: haven't quite quite enough offense. Well they you know, Cal

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Speaker 11: Rawly hit sixty homers, they get Sworez back, a Rose

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Speaker 11: Arena has a good season. Now all of a sudden

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Speaker 11: they're scoring some runs. Tied with their good pitching. Blue

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Speaker 11: Jays blue Jays are They've won a lot of games

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Speaker 11: on in a lot of different ways. I think they've

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Speaker 11: been good in all areas. I don't think they've necessarily

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Speaker 11: been great, but you know, when you have a guy

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Speaker 11: like Laddie and then you got the Schett, who I

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Speaker 11: think led the American League hits but obviously hasn't been

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Speaker 11: in in postseason. But they've got a couple of superstars.

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Speaker 11: So I think I think you can build teams differently.

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Speaker 11: Like you said earlier, the Dodgers won last year with bullpen.

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Speaker 11: This year that they're winning was starting pitching. So I

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Speaker 11: think how you build your team and then like your

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Speaker 11: core and then kind of building around that is interesting

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Speaker 11: because I do think that there's different philosophies and obviously

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Speaker 11: how much money you have. You know, Brewers don't have

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Speaker 11: the money the Dodgers have, so they have to build

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Speaker 11: their team a little differently but is effective. And I

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Speaker 11: think that's the fun part about these smaller markets is

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Speaker 11: they have to figure out how to beat somebody like

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Speaker 11: the Dodgers, who can, you know, spend whatever they want.

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Speaker 11: So I think it's fun based on it's a fun

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Speaker 11: game in that there's just a lot of different ways

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Speaker 11: to build a good team.

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Speaker 1: Matt, you're the best, Bud. I appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what these series look like. Is right now

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Speaker 1: there are two games and none with the home teams returning.

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Speaker 1: With that leads we may be all West Coast series

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Speaker 1: with with the Mariners and the Dodgers. Appreciate you being

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Speaker 1: our guest. We'll talk real soon.

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Speaker 2: Good dog,