1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Hey, Club Sha listeners, We'll be back soon with weekly 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: episodes featuring brand new interviews with exciting roster guests. Until then, 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: enjoyed the special rewind episode with one of my favorite 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: moments from Club Sha shake so far all my life, 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: grinding all my life, sat one slice all my life. 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life. So how old were 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: you when you joined the group and how did the 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: NWA come about? I was probably about seventeen when I 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: when I joined in WA. We we were all in 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: different groups. I was everybody everybody without in a different group. 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: Everybody else was doing their own thing. So how did 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: you guys decide to come together? Well, a group that 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: that Dre was in called Directing Crew. Dre and Yellow 14 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: was in that group, right, and they were kind of 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: like they were making the most noise in LA out 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: of all of it, the world lasting group, world class 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: Wrecking Crew. So Linzo, who ran the Wrecking Crew, really 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't let Dre do the hardcore records that he really 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: started to want to do, right, So, so me and 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: Drey started doing mix tapes and I would do the 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: hardcore raps on the mix tapes. Talking about the neighborhood 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: was Easy with his. Drey's old friend got one of 23 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: the tapes, trapped Dray down and was like, Yo, you know, 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: I've been hustling on the street. I don't want to 25 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: flip some of his money, so I want to start. 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: I want to I want to have a label, and 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: I want to call it Ruthless Records. And so he 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: had these groups that he was trying to get on 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: Ruthless Records. But but he asked me to write a 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: song for him. I wrote a song called Boys in 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: the Hood and the group didn't want to do it 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: because they was from New York. So Dray convinced Easy 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: to do the song. So Easy ended up doing Boys 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: in the Hood the song, and he was like, we 35 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: should do an all star group. This is what Easy said. 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: We should do all star group. Will take the best 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: out of you know, I'll be easy. We take Dre 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: and Yellow out of the record crew, will take Q 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: out of out of a group called CIA, take qu 40 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: out of that, and then we're gonna, you know, we 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: just do the side group hardcore records, you know what, 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: And then y'all can go back and do you know, 43 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: slow jams and whatever. Y'all was doing. So we ended 44 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: up doing that record, and man, it just started to 45 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: pick up a minium and it was just sounding better 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: and better and better. So we all ended up quitting 47 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: our groups and just stay with art, you know, with 48 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: us forming this all star group. And uh, one day 49 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: they came to pick me up and Easy was like, 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: what we're gonna call you know, he was saying what 51 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna call the group? And I said, what we're 52 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: gonna call it? He said in wa I'm like what 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: that means. When he told me what it meant, I 54 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: was like, ah, yeah, we're about to start some ish 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: right now. So you know, from there we just was 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: tight and we just was just figuring out what we 57 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: need to do to start making noise in the hip 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: hop scene. Did you know that when you joined this group, 59 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: you guys were going to become What you became is 60 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: that you guys are really the originator of the gangster rap, 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: the hardcore rap. Did you know that at the time? 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: Not at all. At the time, you know, we thought 63 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: those records were gonna be They had a section in 64 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: the record store where they would play all the dirty 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: comedy records like Richard pryor you could get Eddie Murphy 66 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: record over there, Red Fox. It was this dirty rapper 67 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: by the name of Blowfly Dolomite. You can get all 68 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: them kind of records. So we thought our record was 69 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: gonna be over there in that dirty section. So when 70 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: they started to put it out front where all the 71 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: regular hip hop was and people just started buying it, 72 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: we knew we had a style that that was unique, 73 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: that was different. But you know, there was other people 74 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: who who was dibbling and dabbling and what I would 75 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: call gangster rap. You know, you had Iced Tea out 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: there right Schooley d h he had a song called 77 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: psk Uh. And then you had you know, Boogie Down 78 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: Productions had did a record called Criminal Minded that He's 79 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: loved that record. So it was a few people who 80 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: had dibbled and dabbled in that style. I mean that 81 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: became Iced Tea signature style. Think Ice Tea and NWA 82 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: where the first two real jump offs, and then the 83 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: Ghetto Boys came through, you know, and it was other groups, 84 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: but but yeah, you know, that's kind of how it 85 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: jumped off, and that's how it started. So anytime you 86 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: have success and there's a group Eventually they're gonna be 87 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: some bickering, they're gonna be some fighting, They're gonna be 88 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: some issues. Who's getting what, who's doing what. Why did 89 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: NWA breakdown fall apart? I think it's really because, you know, 90 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: Jerry Heller, who was the manager at the time, was 91 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: really loyal, the easy you know, Easy was his guy. 92 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: You know, we were like, uh, you know, it's just 93 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: kind of the group, you know, you know, and and 94 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: so I just think he underestimated what we really meant 95 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: to the whole you know, success to ruthless records, right, 96 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: So he just was and easy, you know, was learning 97 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: the business basically at the same time we were. When 98 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: it comes to me, him and Ring, we're all learning 99 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: at the same time, even though he's older and dre 100 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: and yelling at me the business a little bit more. 101 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: But nobody was experts, you know, right, right. People leaned 102 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: on Jerry to you know, make make things right, and 103 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: it just was a you know, one or two things 104 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: that just didn't smell right. And you know, when somebody 105 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: starts to, you know, lie when there's no reason to, 106 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: it just makes you suspicious. And then you know, the 107 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: more you look, the more you find and you know, 108 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: I confronted him and they they'd rather, you know, make 109 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: me the enemy and uh, instead of wreck the find 110 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: a situation. And so I left. So when you can, 111 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: you can run. And Jerry Heller the rest of the 112 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: group turned against you. Well, Jerry talked too easy, right 113 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 1: and easy. You know, he was the head of everything. 114 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: So once Easy was against me, you know, Jerry convinced 115 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Easy I was a trouble making So then Easily started 116 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: to talk to everybody and then you know, pretty soon 117 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: I was the eye man out at right end of 118 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: the day. But they didn't kick you out and fast 119 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: I left. I left because I was like, this ain't 120 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: gonna work. They're not gonna fix it. You know, all 121 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: he had to do is fix it. And what did 122 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Jerry Heller need to do to make it right? Back? You? 123 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: I think he was you know, at the end of 124 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: the day, he was trying to give me to sign 125 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: a contract that my lawyer never read. Okay, so to me, 126 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: that's a bad business and it's a bad contract, right, 127 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: you don't want my lawyer to even look at it, 128 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: and you know I have a lawyer. He kept ducking 129 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: me and saying, you know, I'll send it. I'll send it. 130 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: I'll send it before I had the lawyer. Before I 131 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: told him I had the lawyer. I had the lawyer, 132 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: but I didn't tell him. I was just trying to 133 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: get the contract. So I told him I said, just 134 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: send it to my mama. I thought he was gonna think, 135 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: all right, send it to her, saying I know what 136 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: she's looking at. They're gonna sign it, and I'm gonna 137 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: get it back. But he wouldn't even send it to her. 138 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, damn, you won't even send it to her, right, 139 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, so we knew something was fishy, Like he 140 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: can't if he can't send us to contracts, definitely can't 141 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: sign nothing. Were you the only one in the group 142 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: that had a lawyer outside of RUFUS record lawyer? I 143 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: think so. But I had all first that whatever my 144 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: lawyer tell me, I'm gonna tell you guys, and you 145 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: know so y'all my lawyers like, y'all, law y'all don't 146 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: have to get a lawyer if you don't want to, 147 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: I would advise you to. But but and I'll tell 148 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: y'all what he's telling me. So I would, you know, 149 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: talk with ran a lot me and ran the same age. 150 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: We would talk a lot. Who was the youngest in 151 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: the group, right, and uh so ran knew everything that 152 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: as that my lawyer was telling me, which was don't 153 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: sign nothing, don't sign nothing. And so when it was 154 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: time to sign, I was like, I can't sign that. 155 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: And it was the best move I ever. Did you 156 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: lead the group? You strike out on your own death? 157 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: Did they did you first? Or did you right? No 158 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: vaseline me first? They did you first? Yeah. They dissed 159 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: me on a record card one hundred Miles and Running. 160 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: It was like an EP that they released after straight 161 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: out of Compton. It was a it was a disc, 162 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: but it wasn't It wasn't like heavy hand. It was 163 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: like a line, like a little line. So, okay, I 164 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: gave it back to him. I gave it back to 165 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: him a little bit on jacket for beats. Right at 166 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: the end of jacket for the Beats, it's one line 167 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: where I mentioned a hundred miles and I have you 168 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: a hundred miles and running. And so when they did 169 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: uh their next record, they dissed me real good, you 170 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. They called me Benny did Arnold, 171 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: all kind of all kind of names, so what happened. Okay, 172 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: they dissed you on the line, you kind of dissed 173 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: them back on line. Did you think it was over? Okay, 174 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: you said do it? I said, Man, I'm done, let's 175 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: move on. You thought it was over, yeah, because I 176 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: still liked them dudes. You know, they were still you know, 177 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: I had a problem with Easy and Jerry, but I 178 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: still I'm still cool with Dre and Yella and ran 179 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: right DLC and them dudes. I was still hanging around. 180 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: I saw. I was just surprised that they would like 181 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: to take again. So they did you heavy. I mean, 182 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: they came with it, you like, I got to come 183 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: back hard. How long did it take you to write, no, Vassiloni, 184 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: It took me ninety minutes, ninety minute, ninety minutes. So 185 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: that's so another word that's been brewing. You knew, you 186 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: knew they were gonna come back. If it only took 187 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: you ninety minutes, you knew they were gonna come back. 188 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: So you've been plotting, you've been lading and waiting. It 189 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: wasn't like that. It was I was. I was mad 190 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: and I had build up right, I was on a 191 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: boat that the one of the heads of prior records. 192 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: He took me on a boat because you know, I 193 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: had went in there with a bat and and like 194 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: to up the company, like right, So we was trying 195 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: to smooth things out. So he was saying, I want 196 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: to play this for you. I want to be the 197 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: first one to play it for you, and he played 198 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: me to this that they did to me. But we 199 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: still had two or three hours on this boat, which 200 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be on no more. I was like, man, 201 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: take me back. I'm ready to ride or ride take 202 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: me back. So I had like two or three hours 203 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: to build up for about a time. I got to 204 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: my room, to my equipment, pain and pad. It just 205 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: all came out and I got interrupted a few times, 206 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: So it probably would I probably would be faster than 207 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: my sister didn't interrupt me a few times. You know 208 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: what to do? Hit the subscribe button to become an 209 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: official member of Club Sha Sha where we always do 210 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: something or too something