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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Johnsontle Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. I

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Speaker 1: am John Spelt, my guest today from Yahoo Sports, host

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Speaker 1: of the Football three oh one podcast, with various co

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Speaker 1: hosts Charles McDonald, Matt Harmon.

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Speaker 2: Am I missing somebody there, Nate or no?

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Speaker 3: Nope? Those are the main two, my main two cohorts,

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Speaker 3: and then I've been rotating. Then some other guests talk

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Speaker 3: some prospects this offseason. But those are the main two.

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Speaker 1: And he is Nate Tyson. He is going through their

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Speaker 1: prospect rankings right now. You guys should check it out.

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Speaker 1: It's a great podcast. So obviously Nate former college quarterback,

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Speaker 1: also father Mike Tice, formatical head coach, longtime offensive line coach.

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Speaker 1: We're going to dig into the offensive line with Nate,

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Speaker 1: because I think you have a really good eye for

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. I think your takes on the offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: are often unique and frankly more correct than what the

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Speaker 1: consensus is. And we'll knock over some defensive guys too. Nate,

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Speaker 1: we're about three weeks away. It's really gone fast this year.

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Speaker 1: I feel like between free agency and the draft hasn't it.

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Speaker 3: It really has, and even it feels like the draft

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Speaker 3: is only Yeah, the Draft's only three weeks out. I'm

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Speaker 3: actually going to Yahoo. We're doing it in New York.

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Speaker 3: And I really real that because in the middle of

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Speaker 3: my move, my whole workout routine has gone to crap,

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Speaker 3: and I realize, oh, I'm gonna be on camera for

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Speaker 3: three straight days for hours and hours. All right, I

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Speaker 3: get that cardio going again, and I was like, I

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Speaker 3: got a month. I'm good, and I realized, oh no,

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Speaker 3: I'm flying in three weeks. So yeah. So on a

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Speaker 3: related note, I'm getting my home gym organized tomorrow, but

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Speaker 3: it has has moved very quickly. I've actually also thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for that compliment. I have taken a

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Speaker 3: lot of pride in my offensive line scouting over the years.

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Speaker 3: I do think I know there's some stuff I overlap

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Speaker 3: with my dad, but I also think I have my

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Speaker 3: own kind twists on it, and I always feel like

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Speaker 3: I do nail it, but no one cares because all

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Speaker 3: anyone cares about is quarterbacks. So it's like it's like

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Speaker 3: I can nail a hundred. Offensive line takes n ro

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Speaker 3: row and knowing, So I really appreciate that because I

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Speaker 3: do take a lot of pride in knowing every position

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Speaker 3: outside of just quarterbacks. So thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: that intro.

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Speaker 1: No problem, and we will get to the offense I'm

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Speaker 1: in a second, but first let's hit the headlines.

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Speaker 2: Let's hit the bangers. Giants are picking number.

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Speaker 1: Five again unfortunately very high, and it's an interesting year.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard you say this in the podcast a

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Speaker 1: million times. I say the same thing on our draft coverage.

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Speaker 1: You know, normally you wouldn't be thinking about this, but

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Speaker 1: that's the type of draft this is, and that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the conversation you have to have. And you have

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Speaker 1: Rvell Reese is the top guy with him in a second,

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Speaker 1: but you have Caleb Downs at three, Jeremial of at six,

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Speaker 1: Sunny Styles at seven, and I'll just throw them onto

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Speaker 1: a pool. Those three guys are staring you in the

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Speaker 1: face at pick number five for the Giants, what direction

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Speaker 1: do you go in?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And that's probably the consensus rings too that I

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Speaker 3: did with Charles Like so it's kind of a merger,

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Speaker 3: but it's just the same kind of they're cut from

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Speaker 3: the same thing. So like I would, I would even

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Speaker 3: like at pick five, God if Arville Reese is there,

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Speaker 3: you're going there because just because it's just the player,

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Speaker 3: and I get like, maybe even just what the Giants have,

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Speaker 3: potential defensive linement pick. I know Reese is his own thing,

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Speaker 3: an edge slash, an off ball backer, but I also

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Speaker 3: and also his range as a player, not just his

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Speaker 3: speed and what he could do silent the sideline, but

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Speaker 3: also just his versatility maybe a better word for it.

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Speaker 3: I think I don't have a main qualms as maybe

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Speaker 3: other people do, or they're like, well, he's not an

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Speaker 3: Or he's not off ball linebacker full time, so why

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Speaker 1: By the way, just on rees very quickly I figure

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Speaker 1: you tal you talked on your preview with Charles McDonald

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Speaker 1: Carl Banks. You know, he's like a two hundred and

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Speaker 3: That's exactly it. And that's why it's so easy because

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Speaker 3: that's what Patricia was running, was that Belichick scheme, and

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Speaker 3: off ball edge stuff. And no, I that's why because

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Speaker 3: It's a three four Sam, but in the new terms,

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Speaker 3: it's a jack, and I think he's the ideal jack.

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Speaker 3: I think if you look around the league, maybe Nolan

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Speaker 3: But also like the how defenses are right now, it's

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Speaker 3: I think it's turning and running at coverage. It's special.

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Speaker 3: Like I've seen him run down with receivers way down

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Speaker 3: that some people have confused some snaps about what these

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Speaker 2: That's funny.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so I and you know what, if you

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Speaker 1: But I was kind of looking at it down Styles

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Speaker 3: That's it because for me, if even okay, I get weapon,

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Speaker 3: you know, an offensive weapon would be like I've seen

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Speaker 3: the Jeremiah Love stuff. I don't agree with that. I

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Speaker 3: I think the Giants have so much more, and they're

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Speaker 3: they don't really need that. I think they are a

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Speaker 3: two years away from other team build. Not that I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying it's not about running backs don't matter or

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Speaker 1: I was also happy by the way you pointed out

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Speaker 1: on your scouting report he does run a little upright.

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Speaker 1: And I know we talked about that with Derek Henry

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Speaker 2: But that's the one thing I noticed too. I did

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Speaker 1: Especially thinking about him is that he's a bigger back,

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Speaker 3: Like he runs solid, like very and that's where my

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Speaker 3: comparison for him was actually just on field stuff only

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Speaker 3: was OJ Simpson because OJ Simpson kind of had that

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Speaker 3: my brain couldn't unthink it, and that I couldn't think

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Speaker 1: I ha, hey, Nate, it's perfect Tommy. You know they

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Speaker 1: just rebooted the Naked Gun series. You could slide them

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Speaker 3: That's right. And then that one one of my favorite

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Speaker 3: thirty for thirties. What was that one? The April so

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Speaker 1: But anyways, I trust me as someone that grew up

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Speaker 1: a Knicks fan, I remember that because they went away

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Speaker 1: from the Nick Rocket Finals game and I'm like running

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you guys are killing me the knick stoor

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Speaker 3: That's exactly and that's what that documentary does. And so

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Speaker 3: there's the OJ Made in America, which is phenomenal. But

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Speaker 3: then there's another one and it's all they do in

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Speaker 3: the documentary whatever it's called, whoever that day was, so

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Speaker 3: that might have been June that in June seventeenth or

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Speaker 3: channels god raging ourselves, Ye, channels on it and it's phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's called I think it's called June's seventeenth,

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five. Yeah, yep, that's what it's called. Anyways.

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Speaker 3: O J. Simpsons, who he runs like But the other

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Speaker 3: And Johnson was a little bigger and thicker, just different.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm fighting with myself on Downs verse Styles.

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Speaker 3: And you know what position the new defensive Coronaria played.

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Speaker 1: And you have delayne a tier down too in terms

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Speaker 2: He's not quite long enough for me to be a

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Speaker 3: heavy defenses, you know, And I think Delaye would thrive

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Speaker 3: He tested well. I think he's got more frame to

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Speaker 3: over a receiver. You're a tackle. I like you over that,

431
00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,920
Speaker 3: Like he just kept moving him up. Not as much

432
00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,040
Speaker 3: of a project as I think people think. I think

433
00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,360
Speaker 3: he's a great athlete. He's a late comer of football

434
00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,479
Speaker 3: juco guy Nigeria, didn't learn football to end of high school.

435
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,360
Speaker 3: But not as project y as he's getting made out

436
00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,119
Speaker 3: to be. I watch him and against watching him against

437
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Speaker 3: Texas Tech, he's he's shut down those edges Romeo or

438
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,959
Speaker 3: Romelo Height and David Bailey. He shut them down, and

439
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,600
Speaker 3: I like, I think his technique is better than you

440
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 3: would expect for a guy that's more project y. But

441
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 3: on top of it, he's a freak. He's three twenty plus,

442
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,680
Speaker 3: he moves real well, he's got long arms, he can

443
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,280
Speaker 3: actually actually has some run grit to him. And I

444
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 3: also just think he's an easy mover even if he

445
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,159
Speaker 3: just I think he could bump over the left side

446
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 3: because he's athletic enough. But I think right there, that's

447
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 3: a that's a guy that is again not as much

448
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 3: of a project. I think he could play year one

449
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 3: and it's not a travesty. On top of having high

450
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,160
Speaker 3: end ceiling. So Freeling was the other one from Georgia,

451
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,360
Speaker 3: same kind of discussion. His late season tape was awesome.

452
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,919
Speaker 3: Early season tape was a travesty. Like I watched him

453
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,199
Speaker 3: in the middle of last or middle like October when

454
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 3: I do my mid season big board, and I was like,

455
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 3: no way out. And then I watched him at the

456
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 3: end of the year and I was like, now I

457
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 3: have him in my top ten, you know, because it's

458
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 3: just he's such a freak and he tested well, but

459
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,959
Speaker 3: his play was so much better. He got so much stronger,

460
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,919
Speaker 3: and he learned how to use his gifts. And then

461
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 3: malgo up for Miami Mago. That's right, that's right. That's

462
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 3: why that sounded weird.

463
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 1: Yes, no, n for some reason, there's an end, but

464
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 1: there's no end. It doesn't make any sense. But that's

465
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 1: what I always say.

466
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,239
Speaker 3: It that I'm like, I'm saying this wrong, and I

467
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 3: know this because I is just his tape is very sound.

468
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 3: Like I think he's a technician. I think he actually

469
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 3: moves a little bit better this year than maybe I

470
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 3: projected before the year. I still think he's best as

471
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 3: a guard if he's kind of the guy that he's

472
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 3: kind of his own category to me, because he's the

473
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 3: one guy. I think it could be a right tackle

474
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 3: or a left guard or right guard, like I think

475
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 3: he could be a starter at three spots. He's a

476
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,479
Speaker 3: guy that makes sense for me for the Giants if

477
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 3: they did take him at five, hoddle up, get in here.

478
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 4: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

479
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,719
Speaker 4: middle with at the score.

480
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

481
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 4: I don't know, but c does makes sense of your

482
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 4: money with citizens Official Bank of Eli Manning.

483
00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, blue Chipper, amazing. He makes sense for his play style.

484
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 3: He makes sense for what he can play, positional versatility,

485
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 3: his technician ability, like, he makes a lot of sense

486
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: for me. I view him as a top fifteen, not

487
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 3: a top ten guy, but I'm comfortable taking him high

488
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 3: just because of how offensive linemen go. And again he

489
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 3: makes sense to me for what the Giants need.

490
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: Yes, and I'll get the fenol in a second, because

491
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: I do think that's an interesting conversation.

492
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: I want to dig on that. So now you know

493
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

494
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: When I watch him, I think he moves and looks

495
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: like a guard to me, just just the way he

496
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: looks to me. But he's been really good at tackle.

497
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: The one thing that worries about me and him at tackling.

498
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: You kind of mentioned this over his skis a little

499
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: bit in the run game and he loses his balance.

500
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: To me, I see it when he gets beat on

501
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: a pass rush and he tries to recover and has

502
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: to change direction.

503
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: It's very clunky. It's just not smooth to me.

504
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: So when you get I worry about super athletic NFL

505
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: guys in space, he start putting moves on him, he

506
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 1: might get a little off bounced. Maybe I have you

507
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: know Evan Neil PTSD that that's possible.

508
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: But that's what I see.

509
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: But with that said, the Giants just resigned Jermaine and

510
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: Luminoa right tackle right there for another two or three years.

511
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 1: If you draft Mallinola, plug him in a guard and

512
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: then he's your long toy answer or right tackle. I

513
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: see that as a mauling right tackle, which is what

514
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 1: John right guard, which is what John Harball wants.

515
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: That to me.

516
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: Again, for me, the value maybe not necessarily there versus

517
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: a downs or of styles.

518
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: I think it does make a certain amount of sense.

519
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: It does, and it's not a bad thing. It's you know,

520
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 3: it's our okay. If he stays like I've always kind

521
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 3: of used this term. He's earned the right to fail

522
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 3: at right tackle if he goes to a different team.

523
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: He has earned that right to me, which before the

524
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: season I was like, Nope, guard guard guard. But how

525
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: he played this season was a little bit better. I'm

526
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: glad he brought up the thing about finishing the plays

527
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: and sustaining. That's something I really look at for athleticism.

528
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 3: For offensive linement is whether they keep their feet if

529
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 3: they're on the ground A lot. I get issues with you,

530
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: even it doesn't matter how you test or there's another

531
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: offensive linem in this class, talk about PTSD Caden Proctor

532
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: from Alabama. That's actually why I was super low in

533
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: Evan Neil when he came out again talking about my

534
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: offensive lines. I had Charles Cross as the ot one

535
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 3: of that class that no one will remember. It was

536
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 3: cousin Neil kept ending up on the ground. He would

537
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 3: try and finish his blocks and he'd fall forward. And

538
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: that's really scary to me. It's something I picked up

539
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: for my dad, and it's it's kind of held strong

540
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: as a trait, good and bad. But that's why Maly

541
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: knowing a perfect class doesn't go till twenty, you know,

542
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 3: but in this class, that's kind of where we're at.

543
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 3: Where we're at, hopefully you could trade back and get

544
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: a guy because, like you said, a mauler guard with that,

545
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: the fact that he can play tackle in a pinch,

546
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: you never know who's gonna stay healthy or not. That

547
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: does help. That add some appeal as opposed to just

548
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: tackle only or just guard only, et cetera, et cetera.

549
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: Do you think Fano's strong enough to be a guard

550
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: because he's only what three hundred and eight pounds something

551
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: like that. Do you think he has that ability to

552
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: move people at the guard spot, because, like I said,

553
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: I love his feet. I think he's a great athlete,

554
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: shorter arms, but I almost think of him more of

555
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: a center maybe than a guard, because I'm not sure

556
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: he has that kind of mauling strength.

557
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: But I think you've a been awry than I do.

558
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 3: No, I think center is actually his best spot. I

559
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: really do. I'm kind of glad that he has taken

560
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: snaps at that too, like where it's like, okay, at

561
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: least you're not going like, no, I'm a tackle, So

562
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: that's appealing. The other thing too, if we're looking at

563
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: what I call narrative scouting. Like Lomu came in, they

564
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: came in the same class. These two both highly recruited

565
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 3: too at Utah and Lomu red shirts for no plays

566
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: right away as a true freshman at left tackle. Lomu

567
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: after his red shirt year, then gets slotted in that

568
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: left tackle and they kick over Spencer to right tackle.

569
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 3: Again narrative scouting. These coaches work with them every day

570
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: when makes sense to keep the left tackle if he's

571
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: better at left tackle, and then and then have the

572
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: new guy playing right. So to me, it's like, well,

573
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: these coaches and Utah has had some good lie coaches.

574
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: They kind of indicated that, and again I'm gonna listen

575
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: to that. This is I feel like I've been gone

576
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 3: crazy with these two because I'm like, I like them both,

577
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 3: but I feel like the discussion on them is very weird.

578
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: But I do think he's best at center because I

579
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: agree with you. I think his pop and you see

580
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: it best. He's a driver and I mentioned the word linear.

581
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: It's almost like he needs a build up pop, Like

582
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: his initial strike isn't strong, but if he gets a

583
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: step and he gets that little into you, then you

584
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 3: get to see that kind of force that he has.

585
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: Because I'm seeing people call him a mauler, and I'm

586
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: I want to know what games they're watching?

587
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, I want to know what games.

588
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 3: I've watched this guy pull against like a two hundred

589
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: and thirty pound edge and didn't move him at all.

590
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, all right, what what games might

591
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: I might die? And I'm trying not to be me

592
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: and I like him. It's just because of his movement ability.

593
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: And to me, again, I've never seen a tackle built

594
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: like that that's worked out there. So that's why I

595
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: think inside and so too long, long answer, but to

596
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: make it short, Yes, I think his best spot is center,

597
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: and the fact that he can maybe in a pinch

598
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: play other spots is appealing, but that I'm not taking

599
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 3: that till after pick fifteen. Again, this draft class, who knows,

600
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: But that's just how I view it.

601
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: No, I feel you all right, you have Vega I

602
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: wana at twenty three on the last big board that

603
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: I saw some Giant fansuse. You know how fans are.

604
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: They see a need. The Giants don't have a starting

605
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: right guard right now. They just want all right, first round,

606
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: fill the mead we're good, and they've like, oh, maybe

607
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: he's the next you know, Quentin Nelson, And I'm like,

608
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: all right, please go go go to the mechanics and

609
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: make sure you have good breaks on your car, because

610
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: you to start pumping them a little bit. Why what

611
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: are some of the flaws that you see in I

612
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: wana his game when you watch them.

613
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes he can lack sustain where he kind of falls

614
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: off guys. I think sometimes that that offense sucks because

615
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: it's so tricky, and I don't I wish he just

616
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: played like some bruising wiscott Old Wisconsin Stanford offense. And

617
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: I got to see him actually do what I hope

618
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: you would do. He has like he's built like a maller,

619
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: but he's not. He's a He's like, he's quick, he's

620
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: got good athleticism, he's got good balance. That really improved.

621
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 3: But it's not like, I don't know, it's not an

622
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 3: overwhelming moving guys three yards on every double team. He

623
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: can do it. But I think he's just kind of

624
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: a different player than maybe I was even expecting. I

625
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 3: think he's more of a solid And this again, this

626
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: gets back into positional versatility and positional value. A guard

627
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: only player, which he is in my world that's slotted

628
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: down like that is guard only, a slot only receiver,

629
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: an undersized corner, you know, those guys that only could

630
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: play one spot or are limited in those spots or

631
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: limited in the role. And to me, a guard only

632
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: guy you have to be, like you said, Quentin Nelson

633
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: to be drafted very high. So to me, that's a

634
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: guy in more in the twenties that I'm comfortable with.

635
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: But I do think his movement ability, it kind of

636
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: is very It's paradoxical with how he's built, because I

637
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: actually do think like he reminds me a little bit.

638
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 3: I think he's a little better than this Jordan Morgan

639
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: who who with the Packers was a tackle but bumped

640
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: into guard. They're built the same, but again you would

641
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: think they're a malwer, but actually it's just more speed

642
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: stuff and fantasy kind of stuff. I do think I

643
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 3: Only's got some stuff where he was moving guys, but

644
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just couldn't get over the hump

645
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: with him. I think he's a good prospect at guard,

646
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: but again, guard only, and I can only get so

647
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: high with that type of kind of player profile.

648
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't expect to know the answer to the question,

649
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: but you'll understand why I'm asking it to you in

650
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: a second. They take a guess, how many interior offensive

651
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: linemen do you think the Giants have under contract beyond

652
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty sixth season.

653
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: I think it's just one, isn't it zero?

654
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: Actually it's zero, okay.

655
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: I actually kind of knew that their old line was

656
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: in flux this year next year.

657
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: So ok and you can confirm it on the old

658
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: spot track twenty twenty seven cat.

659
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: Page Ye bolt cap multi year cat table.

660
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: I love doing it absolutely.

661
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: John Runyans last year of a three year deal. John

662
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: Michael Schmidt's last year of his rookie contract. You have

663
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: unless you want to count Marcus bow as a guard.

664
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: If you want to do that, he could count, but

665
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: I think the Giants see him as a tackle, and

666
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: then they just have a bunch of guys on one

667
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: year contract.

668
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's kind of a need.

669
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 1: You never want to walk into an offseason with no

670
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: interior offensive lineup under contract. That could be a p

671
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a general manager, but I'm sure you would

672
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: rather not have that. So if you're thinking about a

673
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: guard at thirty seven you have a manual pregnant in

674
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: the forties. I noticed Chase DeSantis did not break your

675
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: top fifty. Any other guards that could be in the

676
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: mix for you. With the Giants selecting a pick thirty seven,

677
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: they don't have a third round pick, so I think

678
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: if they.

679
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: Want to do it, it's going to have to be

680
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: a thirty seven.

681
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: No pregnant is that's that's a great one right there,

682
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: that it would be pretty ideal for where he is

683
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: slotted to go. And what I think of him a

684
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 3: guy that sometimes can look prettier than how he is

685
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: in the sense of he looks the part, but also

686
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: it's a little top heavy for me. I wish he

687
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: kind of work out the legs a little bit more.

688
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: This guy, I think he likes to go to the beach,

689
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: but he's got good length. He's got gigantic hands. I

690
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: think he had like eleven inch hands. Good up for

691
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: Brini's strength. Once he latches on, he can use that length.

692
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: But he can get caught playing high a little bit.

693
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: Sometimes the guys without lower level bulk can get caught

694
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: playing high because I don't know, because they're just they

695
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: don't score enough, so then they can't squat. But I

696
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: do think he's asked like he's a good pass protector.

697
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: He can really bring bring his feet when he moves

698
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: to adjust. I'm glad you brought up how they adjust,

699
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 3: because that's something I really value. Is that how you

700
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: can kind of get that second block, how you can

701
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: counter the counter, how you cannot, how you can recover.

702
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: Is it's not everybody's different. Every player is different.

703
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: And you're gonna have to do that in the NFL.

704
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: This isn't college. You guys, would you get an initial

705
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: move on you? You're gonna have to do that if

706
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: you want to sue.

707
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: Expos in times a game. You know it's And that's

708
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: the thing. Yeah, in college you might say once twice

709
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: the guy gets them in the blender, but noan pros

710
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: is there every week. Every week you might get one

711
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: week off. But that's the thing that I how they recover.

712
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: It's something I've taken from my dad. Is sometimes everyone

713
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: thinks it's the quick footwork or it's just the yeah,

714
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: the freaky athleticism stuff. Some guys have slow feet, but

715
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: they're so long that the hands and length let them

716
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 3: get to the recovery because then they can bring their

717
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: feet with them. Everybody has a different version. Some guys

718
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: are just able to run guys past because they're so big.

719
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: But anyways, I think with him by pregnant is that

720
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: in past protection you really get to see that movement ability.

721
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: I just think too, it is just he can find

722
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: some a little bit more strength and can get a

723
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: little wide with his hands in the run game and

724
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: use his length and strength a little bit more consistently.

725
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: So I think he's still a developing run blocker, but

726
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: it's encouraging what you see pass protection wise. But he's

727
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: my next guard type if you're looking tackles. I really

728
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: liked Austin Barber from from Florida. Probably I'm the high

729
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: guy on him almost certainly, I'm really now I'm trying

730
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: from the other guards because I've washed more now and so.

731
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: What do you think of beson this At at Texas

732
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: A and M.

733
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: I liked him as well, again, another guy that sometimes

734
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: his legs like I wish there's a little bit more

735
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: maybe lower body strength with him where he's a little

736
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: kind of big, top heavy and everything. Did like him though,

737
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: I thought he was an encouraging player. Okay, here we go.

738
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: Now I actually found my notes because now I just

739
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: made my notes right here on players is a real

740
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: muck because I just watched so many but zantis I have.

741
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: If I did top seventy five, he would make that

742
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: which I will be next really explode out a stance,

743
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: bend and create leveragery addresice Blox with some real pop

744
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: on delivery, but light on his fee is a poor

745
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: Andjusting can get upright, which causes his footwork and bounced

746
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: to unravel. And he lacks ideal length and that those

747
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: things are connected the lack of lower body with the

748
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: lack of length, So there's a lack of sustain sometimes

749
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: with his blocking because of that. And I again can

750
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: only get so high because it's guard only. But I

751
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: did like him. He's probably the next guard only guy

752
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: trying to find oh Klin Ruttledge from Georgia Tech again

753
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: another guy I hews around three. He'll probably go up

754
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: a little higher. Night of feet move as well as

755
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 3: a polar connects go oh yeah really good on backside

756
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: cutoff blocks needs another guy that needs to develop lower

757
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: body strength. The album staying gage top heavy build can

758
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: play up right. We've seen sensing a theme here. Get

759
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: off bounce of pass protection when he temps to sustained,

760
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: but has good length and big hands. So that would

761
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: be the next one is Routledge. And I'm trying to

762
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: think of I watch any other guards. Oh, Jayleen Farmer

763
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: from Kentucky, a little bit lower further back. That's more

764
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: round three later, round three, big, big, big dude. His

765
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: name's Farmer, So it's exactly what you expect. But those

766
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: are the other kind of guards I had next up

767
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: on my list as of right now, who I've watched.

768
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: Those are kind of the next tier.

769
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,520
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Speaker 1: want to learn more, all right, let's go to the

775
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: trenches on the other side. And I think we've been

776
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: on the same page and a lot of this stuff. Nate,

777
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a couple questions on these two

778
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: defensive linemen that you really like, and I have some

779
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: questions about and I want you to see if you

780
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: can answer inform me your fifteen and sixteen players are

781
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: Keldrick Fawk and Peter Woods. Tell me how you think

782
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: Keldrick Falk will develop into a pass rusher. What will

783
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: that look like if he becomes a good pass rusher

784
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: at the NFL be was I no doubt about his

785
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: run defense, His size is length, it's all great, But

786
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: how do you see him turning his skill set into

787
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: a pass rushing skill set?

788
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: If you would hope it'll almost be like Cameron Jordan, Okay,

789
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 3: that would be and he's not gonna be even though

790
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: he can move and he can bend and I'm just spoilers.

791
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: Fall would end up being a top ten player for me.

792
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: The final test thing. He was my number one player

793
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 3: at my mid season big board and then I cooled

794
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: on him on the.

795
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: When I watched the last couple wasn't very good.

796
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: In the last two months, he didn't do as much.

797
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: Watch him against Watch him against Georgia because that was

798
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: the Monroe failing bad game, and then watch him against

799
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: Oklahoma and then you'll see the number one pick stuff.

800
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: But then it kind of him and Tie SIPs the

801
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: kind of like the versions of each other. Then the

802
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: second half of the year kind of faded off, but then

803
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: I think maybe the Pro day really helped me kind

804
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 3: of get me back over the top with him. I yeah,

805
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 3: but he u with Falk, He's gonna be a pocket pusher,

806
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 3: even if he does develop as a pass rusher. What's

807
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: good is that's where the league is at right now.

808
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 2: Yep.

809
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: And it's a good thing. And especially how this defense

810
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: is what I'm gonna guess how they play, they would

811
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: prefer that than a guy that's a bendy, undersized DPR

812
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: type fulk even before getting the past rush stuff. I

813
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 3: think he ends up as a plus plus run defender.

814
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: I think anders the league as a plus run defender.

815
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 3: Agree ends up as a plus plus one. And he's

816
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: at twenty years old. I think he right away has

817
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: a role as very good and maybe okay, I think

818
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: I think why I'm so high on him. These types

819
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: of players work, even if they don't become stars. They

820
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: usually he has a higher floor than people are making

821
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: it out to be. People are acting like because he's

822
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: not a ten sec guy in college, Oh he's never

823
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: gonna rush the pastor who cares like he sucks. He's

824
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: just a big, big, big of out there. It's like

825
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: these guys stick in the league for years. William Goldston

826
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 3: for the Bucks was there for fourteen years just doing

827
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: the same thing, big long, just push the pocket, do

828
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: some other stuff, you know, and play well in the

829
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: run and just be a tough out on the outside.

830
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: So I think his floor is so high. He's young,

831
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: and as a pass rusher, then technique improved some of

832
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: his hand stuff, Like you can see him trying some stuff,

833
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: but he doesn't always get the reps where he just

834
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: gets to rush from the edge. Yeah, Like he's kicked

835
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: inside so much, which again is more appealing at the

836
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: NFL level. Bit hard to project exactly what he'll be,

837
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: but I think because why I'm high on him is

838
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: because of that floor of being a plus run defender,

839
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 3: which again is where the league is going because they

840
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: think they can manufacture more pressure from scheme stuff. And

841
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: I think that these rundowns really help that he can

842
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: be effective on them. And then I think it's like

843
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: if you get if he only becomes a six seven

844
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: to eight sac guy at tops, that's a good starter,

845
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: Like that is a really good player that you're comfortable taking,

846
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: especially in this draft class. So I think that's why

847
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: I keep staying so high on him because it's just

848
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: like I think the floor is higher on top of

849
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 3: you know, just a little flashes you see maybe as

850
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: an edge rusher.

851
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good answer. All right now, Woods,

852
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. I liked him a

853
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: lot coming out of his twenty twenty four season. He

854
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: was a summer scouting top ten player, like really good,

855
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: got excited, and I'll to be honest with in Nate,

856
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: it looked like he did not give a damn about

857
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: football in twenty twenty five. And for a guy that

858
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: plays defensive tackle, we have to do a lot.

859
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: Of dirty work. That scares the hell out of me.

860
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: Correct, That's exactly right. So Falk was my mid season

861
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: number one guy. Woods was my preseason guy. And while

862
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: with Falk, I've I cooled and now I'm worn back up.

863
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 3: Woods has just been a slow cool down, Like he's

864
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: just like just keeps simmering on him and simmering on him,

865
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: not testing or he does test. He doesn't run the forty,

866
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: you know, he does the ten. Why why are you

867
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: doing that? People are asking about how much you love football?

868
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: Why would you skip any freaking drills?

869
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: And now you're under three hundred pounds too. By the way, why.

870
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: What are these agents telling these players? I don't know

871
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: sometimes because it's just like because even if you don't

872
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 3: do great, just freaking do it and check the box

873
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: and then teams will stop questioning you on it. It's

874
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: just that easy. I get it. I get you don't

875
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 3: want the negative associations, but just help yourselves out. Narratively again,

876
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: it's just it's all the flashes, like he has those

877
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 3: game record plays. He misses a lot of tackles though,

878
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: like he'll doesn't take advantage of the chaos that he creates.

879
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: And I think some of that is it just maybe

880
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: just a little chaotic play, but also just does have

881
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 3: long arms, and that can happen sometimes with short arm guys.

882
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: They get there and then they just miss the tackle

883
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: because they just can't reach them. I think ITSB thirty two.

884
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: I believe he does have the ability to blow up plays,

885
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: and it's quick. He's so light on his feet, like

886
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: we say dancing bear sometimes with offensive players offensive lineman,

887
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: he's a dancing bear. He just it's so quick and

888
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: gets there and creates that pressure. I also think pass

889
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: rush wise as soon as he's blocked, he doesn't try like,

890
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: he just goes, oh, I didn't win right away, all right,

891
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: I'll just hang here. That is to me huge red

892
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 3: flag because if you're not doing that in college, are

893
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: you gonna do that in week seventeen in the cold

894
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: on a team that might be not that great. Probably

895
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: not if you're not doing the college on a team

896
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: that was protected to be pretty good this year. So

897
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: he's young, the talents there. I think he'll end up

898
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: breaking the low twenties for me, just because I know

899
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: the talent's there. But I understand the red flags with

900
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: him and the lack of refinement and sustained with his game.

901
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: It's just he's just a flash player, and the flashes

902
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 3: are exciting. Someone's going to take a chance on him.

903
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: I'm also just kind of as I look at other

904
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: national draft guys, they have really lowered his stock, and

905
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: they talked to the league maybe more than I do.

906
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: I try to do my own thing, and then afterwards

907
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: I'll be like, hey, am I crazy here? And I've

908
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: noticed that, So I think we're all kind of you

909
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: said that his stock is kind of cooled overall.

910
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 4: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

911
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: of crunch time football.

912
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm your man.

913
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

914
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: you should talk to Citizens.

915
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: Hey, I can also talk long care.

916
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 4: I'd like to learn about a MOI routine. Yes, I

917
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 4: knew I could help make sense of your money with citizens.

918
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

919
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: And then there are two edge guys. I want to

920
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: touch on one of his teammates, TJ. Parker, which I

921
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: did when I watched him. I did not see that. Okay, well,

922
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: the season's going wrong. I'm gonna stop playing hard. That

923
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: dude played hard the whole year.

924
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: Man.

925
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: And look, I don't know if he's ever gonna be

926
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: a ten sack guy because I don't know if he

927
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: has that bend. But man, he puts that long arm

928
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: in your chest and he just moves your butt down. Man,

929
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: And I think, I think, to me, he's if you

930
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: can't Arvale is an edge to me.

931
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: TJ.

932
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: Parker is is edge number four to me. I just

933
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: think he's a really really safe, good, good football player.

934
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think probably the same. Then if let me

935
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: do math one, okay, so uh yeah, actually he'd be

936
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: edge five because I have falk And then oh yeah,

937
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: say that so Parker and Zion Young from.

938
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: A zoo very similar, very similar.

939
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: I group them so so I I think I'm gonna

940
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 3: have him next right next to each other, my last

941
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 3: pick for it or next one. It's just because it's

942
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, it's like they have very similar games,

943
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 3: they have very similar appeal to them. Like Parker, I

944
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: totally agree, plays hard, another pocket pusher type. Not the

945
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: bendiest guy, but test okay, he's not a total stiff,

946
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: big hands, strong hands, heavy handed, that's a good compliment

947
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: for him. Has some versatility, can kick inside, which is

948
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: so appealing I think, but strength ability to impact the

949
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: run and pass. He's another kind of high flourished player,

950
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: lower ceiling that I think with Falk not gonna be

951
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: a high end impact player. But I just think he

952
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: has a good starter painted all over him, like dirty

953
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: work guy. And again that's not sexy to take in

954
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: the first round, but this is this draft class, and

955
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: if you get a guy that starts for you for

956
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 3: eight years or it can earn that second contract, even

957
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: if it's not the sexiest player, that's that's a good

958
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: pick in this draft class. Zion Young, same exact discussion.

959
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: Rugged is how I described him doesn't have ideal bend,

960
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: but Knox blockers back absolutely embarrasses. Any tight end that

961
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: blocks him, just absolutely embarrass him. They have no shot

962
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: at all, even good ones strength length. Also, just like

963
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: Parker Young is even more appealing this way, is that

964
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: every play he acts like it's the to win the

965
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. Yeah, like every he's chasing stuff down, he's running.

966
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: So it's very infectious. And again, these two guys that

967
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: those type of starters, they set a standard that you

968
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: kind of want sometimes with your defense. Actually, I think

969
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: both of these guys I don't think they might be there,

970
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 3: but they they actually are appealing to what the Giants

971
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: already have and giving them a different flavor than what

972
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: they already have. I think that would actually really actually

973
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: kind of be complimentary. Zion Young got compared to the

974
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: old Patriots lines defender Trey Flowers. It's a good Markansas. Yeah,

975
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 3: heavy hands, good rugged player, not a high sack guy.

976
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: Now I'm with you, and the Giants aren't gonna draft

977
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: this guy, but I saw him on your top fifty

978
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: and I got excited because I thought you might be

979
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: told the only guy that likes Remelo Heighten more than

980
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: you do I think he's a good football player, man,

981
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: Like I know he's older, and I know he transferred

982
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: a million times.

983
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: I don't care.

984
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: Everyone has Casius Howell and ar Mason Thomas ranked ahead

985
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: of him, and that's fine.

986
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: I watched them. I don't know why those guys are

987
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: that much better than Ramelo High. I don't know that,

988
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: That's what I say.

989
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: I'm how what's the other one? Lawrence from UC. I

990
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 3: just can't get a Marcus Lawrence or mal Kai Lawrence.

991
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Had he had like eleven tackles last year,

992
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: like he had like eight sacks and like eleven tackles.

993
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: That is scary getting on that football man like that

994
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: means that means you're just to me without even watching him,

995
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: even though there's other stuff. I know we're talking about

996
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: other guys here, but if you're just watching that, even

997
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: just look at the box score stats, it's like, I

998
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: know exactly what you are. Third down, you crank it

999
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: up and you try to win all the other downs.

1000
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: You just hang out. And if I watch Lawrence, that's

1001
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: exactly what he is, even before I watch him. How

1002
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: to me, it's like if he doesn't win right away,

1003
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: he's dead on the play and I can't get again

1004
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: if you're limited as a player, and he has those

1005
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: short arms, and I get he has a quick first step,

1006
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 3: but if he doesn't win on that first step, he's done.

1007
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: Plays over Like, okay, wash him out and that's not

1008
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 3: gonna work. And I think he will hold up in

1009
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: the run game. It's just again, it's kind of like Fano.

1010
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: It's like I haven't seen that work. And maybe that's

1011
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 3: just a lack of imagination for me. But I also

1012
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: feel like I have a pretty good historical database in

1013
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: my brain of what works and what doesn't. And this

1014
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: doesn't work usually. That's why I can only get so

1015
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 3: high height, same kind of thing. I think I gauge him.

1016
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: I had him in Yeah, like I'll consider I'm like

1017
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: what I would consider a top sixty guy. Tough, it's

1018
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: all the same. Late second or early third on grade

1019
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: is height to me, smaller, bill older, transfers a bunch.

1020
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: I get all that. But you watch him. He's so

1021
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: twitchy and he's productive, and he's got some stuff to him.

1022
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: Like I said, he lacks size. His movement is best

1023
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: described as ice skater like, and I mean that complimentary

1024
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: and derogatory. He's had injuries, he's transferred a bunch, but

1025
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: he creates like he's just a habit creator. And again,

1026
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 3: if you're taking this on day two, I'd be comfortable

1027
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 3: taking him late round two, but round three probably where

1028
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: he ends up going. Much rather have that than a

1029
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: mesador in round one, you know, or another older guy

1030
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 3: like I just think, Yeah, if you're just gett a

1031
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: DPR type, I think heights got some real juice to him.

1032
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: That's hard to find. That twitch. He just has twitch,

1033
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: and it's a different type of twitch than you usually see.

1034
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1035
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: I thought he actually set the edge well at the

1036
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl too. He told me I talked to him

1037
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: and themobile and he's like, I'm going to show him

1038
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I get set the edge year. I thought he actually

1039
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: did a prodecent job given his lack of size.

1040
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: All right, he has a rugged mentality. Yeah, it's weird.

1041
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: He's a weird player. He's up to forty, he's old.

1042
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: It's like, but I like him right in this draft class,

1043
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: I'm willing to wave away a lot of red flags

1044
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: or red alerts because this is what this class is.

1045
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: You have to you have to all right, giants at

1046
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: thirty seven. Throw a couple position in jacks to see

1047
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: if someone kind of fits what you think the Giants

1048
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: might want on this defense at thirty seven they need

1049
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: an other defensive tackle to stop the run. Do you

1050
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: like any of those dts? I'm partial to Kristin Miller myself.

1051
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: I think he's got some juice and he can stop

1052
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: the run. Any other dts you think at thirty seven

1053
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: could make sense for the Giants to play next to

1054
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence?

1055
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is like the group thirty seven is

1056
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 3: a great range to need a DT, you know, because

1057
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: other positions might bump right above him. And I think

1058
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: this world, these guys are gauge outside of Peter Woods,

1059
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: who's a kind of a different animal. But you got

1060
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: Kate McDonald from Ohio State. And I kind of used

1061
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: this joke a little too much, but it's like, all right,

1062
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: you want to add beef to your defensive line, why

1063
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: not call somebody with the last name of McDonald. And

1064
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 3: that works out great? And uh that just strength, Yeah,

1065
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: it's great. I know his strength is his strength true

1066
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: run stuffer and he's good at it, like and it's

1067
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: not just a run stuffer And oh I'm gonna free

1068
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: up all my talented teammates. So like, he makes tackles

1069
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: like he's super productive, and I don't think there's some

1070
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: pass rush yet, but you know, maybe tapping a little bit.

1071
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: But he's I described him as an effective plugger and

1072
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 3: he's young. Probably add a little bit more to his game.

1073
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: I can't. I don't know where to put him. He's somewhere.

1074
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: He's gonna end up somewhere between like twenty six and

1075
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 3: thirty six on my big board, but somewhere in that

1076
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 3: range which matches here. Caleb Banks from Florida super appealing,

1077
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: but also I have just understand battled injuries, had won

1078
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: this offseason. Also kind of just weird production, can't finish plays,

1079
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: misses a lot of tackles. Having said that, he's a

1080
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: freak and he's long, he's got big hands, he moves differently,

1081
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: Like that's the best compliment I can give him. Charles,

1082
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: my co host, Charles McDonald likes him even more. Charles

1083
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: m as a top ten guy.

1084
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: Wow.

1085
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: I yeah, And I had him kind of and we

1086
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: kind of bounced out in between.

1087
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: Talk about grading flashes man who because his flashes are incredible.

1088
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why. I get the appeal of but it's like,

1089
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: can you finish a couple more plays and then I

1090
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: can get on board with this. But he can disrupt,

1091
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: he can rush the passer, he just missed the tackles.

1092
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: It's just the weirdest player. He doesn't know how to tackle.

1093
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: But man if some team falls in His senior Bowl

1094
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: was supposed to be a great week. I wasn't there

1095
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: for it, but I've heard that he had a good week.

1096
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: It was flashes again, but it wasn't consistent, like it

1097
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: wasn't every Sometimes he played too high and all of

1098
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: a sudden he wasn't getting where he needed to go.

1099
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: We were trying to just find a historical comp for him.

1100
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: I end up with Marcus stra Out from the Jags

1101
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: years and years ago. I think Stroud was a little

1102
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: better and obviously more consistent. But you know, but that

1103
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: you don't see six six, three hundred twenty seven pounds

1104
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: thirty five inch d tackles that run a five flat.

1105
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: You don't see that every day. And I think he

1106
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: wants to play like. He's not like a he's not

1107
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 3: soft like it's just that I just don't don't know

1108
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: if he always knows what he's doing sometimes, even though

1109
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: he's a fifth year guy. But it's one of these.

1110
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: If he goes way higher than I expect, I kind

1111
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: of get it. Yeah, if he goes way lower than

1112
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: I expect, I kind of get it. But he's very flat.

1113
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: Those flashes are really really appealing Miller, I like to

1114
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: I wish he didn't play on Georgia's defense because I'm

1115
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: convinced that they just call plays just so they can

1116
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: do coaching clinics and talk about the play that they

1117
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 3: ran once for no reason at all. He's always constantly

1118
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: slanning and twisting, and I get that's their defense. If

1119
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: I got to just see him run up field and

1120
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: plug I would probably like him even more.

1121
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are many three indred and twenty pounds loopers,

1122
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: but that's what he does for that, right, I mean

1123
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: all the time I want.

1124
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 3: Him just go up, use your long arms and blast

1125
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: somebody back and never get to see him do that.

1126
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: And so all these guys, by the way, are grouped

1127
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: in the same area for me on my big board,

1128
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: Like it's really just what I like them all. I

1129
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 3: just can't get over the top with one of them.

1130
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: I said, it can be a bit slow to react

1131
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: to some plays, but I do think that gets cleaned

1132
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: up with more of a straight line defensive system rather

1133
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: than Georgia's defense that features a smorgash board to play calls.

1134
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 3: And I think he it's one of these guys that'll

1135
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 3: be a more appealing pro than college player. I like

1136
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: Millwherre a lot though. And then the next one is

1137
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: Dominique Gornge, who I am the high guy on. I

1138
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: think Big Citrus from Iowa State again plays in a

1139
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: funky defense. Iowa State literally runs three down defensive linement

1140
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 3: every single play, and what they do it's a true

1141
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: team defense. It's not about a guy just lining up

1142
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: and winning. They take their three different defensive linement and

1143
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: then they slam them or cross and loop them, and

1144
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: then they have their linebackers scrape over the top and

1145
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: it screws up college offenses every week. It's actually a mike.

1146
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: It's not the defense for me, but like good stuff,

1147
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: like you guys have found a method that works for you.

1148
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: Guys at Iowa State now Penn State, but Orange I

1149
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: think he had one career sack. Yeah, and a guy

1150
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: that I wasn't originally watching to watch him to study it.

1151
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 3: Like I knew of him. I had watched one game

1152
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 3: of him. I was actually watching hendishert from Arizona State,

1153
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, I'm in a peak at

1154
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: Orange right now too, And he just like when he

1155
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: got again, just like Miller, when he got to just

1156
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 3: line up and go. That's the appeal of him. Oh,

1157
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: I see him. He terrorized Arizona State Center. He got

1158
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: like five plays where he got to rush straight at

1159
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: him and that center was five yards back every single time.

1160
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 3: And that won me over where I was like, all right,

1161
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 3: he eats some blocks. Sometimes there's some effort stuff that

1162
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: gives me a little if he but then there's some

1163
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: good effort stuff where he's running down a screen or

1164
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: something like that. So it's not so much flashes. It's

1165
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: just he's projecting. I'm projecting with him from what I've

1166
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: seen and what I think if he gets into an

1167
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 3: NFL true NFL defense, that he'll be a better pro

1168
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: than college player, at least production wise.

1169
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Right, the final position corner. You got a bunch

1170
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: of guys in that range at thirty seven too. Right,

1171
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: you have a good feel for like what Donard Wilson

1172
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: wants So let's try to focus on a guy or

1173
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: two that you think fits what Donard Wilson would want

1174
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: from a corner.

1175
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 3: Chris Johnson from San Diego.

1176
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I love Chris Johnson. That makes me happy.

1177
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 3: Perfect where I view him as he could sneak into

1178
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 3: the first but I'd be comfortable taking him early second.

1179
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 3: I had him a forty I think in my last one. Again,

1180
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: I'm using like a rough draft, so I might have

1181
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: moved some kids around at least the last time I

1182
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: looked at this, when I was at Sober, I had

1183
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 3: about forty. But smooth, I said. That's the best way

1184
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: to describe him. Smooth and easy mover ca mirror receivers,

1185
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: doesn't get too handsy. I don't think he's gonna be

1186
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: an ace, but I think this is a good starter,

1187
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: whether it's a high end two or a guy that

1188
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: you have with another low end one type. Competitive want

1189
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: him to take on blockers. He's willing to stick his

1190
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 3: nose in a tackle, which again this defense you'll have to. Also,

1191
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 3: I think he's best in zone because I think he's

1192
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 3: just in what this defense is. Some of the quarters

1193
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: based stuff. He kind of could play out like man,

1194
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: but you want a guy like this that can kind

1195
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: of do a little bit of both really well, because

1196
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: it's kind of a hybrid kind of philosophy, I guess

1197
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: is a good way to put it. And I think

1198
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: he's perfect because his ball scales are really good, so

1199
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: he can take advantage of those zone players where he

1200
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: can fall off something, he can cut on something, because

1201
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: I think he's a smart player. But he I really

1202
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: liked him. He's the type of corner I really fall

1203
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: for every time where I just don't see a lot

1204
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: of qualms with his game even if I do have.

1205
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: Maybe he doesn't have the high high end traits, but

1206
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 3: he's perfect at least for what they want. D'Angel ponds

1207
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: I love as a player. I just again, if he

1208
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: goes higher or lower, I think I him a forty four.

1209
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: He's just a football player. He lacks size. I had

1210
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: a discussion about this when we were talking about defensive backs.

1211
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: Corners are They're able to get a little bit smaller

1212
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: now because teams are running more zone as opposed to

1213
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: everybody's trying to copy the Legion of Boom defenses and

1214
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: run cover one, cover three, cover one, cover three. Those

1215
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 3: guys you need longer corners on the outside, everyone's trying

1216
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: to copy Richard Sherman. So I have a little bit

1217
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 3: more of a leniency maybe for a guy like this

1218
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: that I love. I think he's just an awesome player,

1219
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 3: and I think he's a Day two guy. Uh, And

1220
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 3: I think actually this defense kind of kind of fits

1221
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: where he's at. Sorry my least little like I had

1222
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 3: a oh yeah, here we go. Found it so deep

1223
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 3: just talking about kind of different defensive philosophies, and I'm

1224
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: changing about what I kind of will take higher. I

1225
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 3: think Nate Wiggins did a lot for me, uh when

1226
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: Ravens drafted him, because I had some play. I liked him,

1227
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 3: but I had some blam's been watching how he plays

1228
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 3: in the pros. I'm like, oh, okay, Uh, how Kobe

1229
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 3: Durant plays, how Trump Trump McDuffie has played, how these

1230
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: guys have played has kind of changed what I not

1231
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: want to say what I prefer but what I told

1232
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: the rate and so yeah, So as teams run more

1233
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: cover two, cover six, cover four, you don't need a

1234
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: long freaks. They're preferable if you want to run, man,

1235
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: But it opens up guys like Devin Witherspoon to play

1236
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: on the outside. That's another comparison for ponds. Twenty twenty

1237
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: five defenses ran in the NFL ran forty two percent

1238
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: with safety, so that's covered two, cover four, cover six.

1239
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, which is kind of the tail end

1240
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: of that legion of boom era, there's thirty two percent,

1241
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: so ten percent increase. That opens up the body types

1242
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: for corners outside just the freaky long guys. That guy's overdrafted.

1243
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 3: So kind of a sorry, long winded way to say that.

1244
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 3: I think there's more candidates than maybe you've initially expected

1245
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: in this kind of grouping.

1246
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: All right, final one sixty seconds here, I agree with you.

1247
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: I think Anthony Hill and cg Allen are closer than

1248
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: most people give them credit for. I think they're right there.

1249
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: I think I might like Hill Moore. There's more splash

1250
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: plays on tape for me. But whatever. I'm a little

1251
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: insulted though that Jacob Rodriguez and not make your top fifty,

1252
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: because that guy is the man.

1253
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 3: Can you at least knock somebody back when he tackles

1254
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: them every time? And whether that's just being mean, is

1255
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 3: just maybe some old greediness I got or something I

1256
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: only consider myself a gritty.

1257
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: He's just so instane. I love his instincts.

1258
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: He said, he's around the ball so much. And I

1259
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: watch him read out a screen, like, oh my god,

1260
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 3: he is amazing at it. He's so fast that he

1261
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 3: gets there. But then he tackles a guy and he

1262
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: he falls backwards and he's only right exactly, and he

1263
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 3: and I kept saying that I was trying to like

1264
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: not crush him when we did our linebacker show, and

1265
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: I was like, he's a great athlete and you can

1266
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 3: see it, but he plays more like an athlete than

1267
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 3: the linebacker. Like that's my best way to put it.

1268
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I can. I know I douse so

1269
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: much cold water on those day two linebackers on that show,

1270
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 3: like anyone that has Galladay I from Cincinnati. I'm like,

1271
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 3: come on, guys, that guy's an edge. Maybe no, I know,

1272
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: I man, I love I think he'll. He'll was a

1273
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: top twenty preseason player for me. I cool on him

1274
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: a little bit, and then now I'm back. He'll end

1275
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: up in my top thirty I think, When'saul said, and

1276
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: then Alan will probably end up just behind him. I

1277
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: think he'll's great, but I think the league is very

1278
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: high on him too as well.

1279
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, who sports football three oh one night? Anything else

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Speaker 1: the folks should know that you have coming out? Are

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Speaker 1: anything that they should know about.

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Speaker 3: Writing about Garrett Nesmyer and Ty Simpson and maybe why

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Speaker 3: I prefer Mari just a tiny bit more. But I

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Speaker 3: don't think Giants fans have to worry about that. With

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Speaker 3: reading that some maybe I was peeling, but I got

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Speaker 3: big war coming out on the fifteenth. That will be

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Speaker 3: my last kind of final one. I'm trying to get

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Speaker 3: up the top one hundred, but it will be at

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Speaker 3: least top seventy five. But we'll see whether my hair

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Speaker 3: stays in over that time.

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Speaker 1: We almost got through a full hour without even mentioning

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Speaker 1: one quarterback, Nate, and you ruined it.

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Speaker 2: You ruined it.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know it's I come on. Everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: the quarterback guy is like a football guy muttering on myrath.

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Speaker 3: They're like, no, No, it's all Paul Chris, who my

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Speaker 3: grace mentor outside my dad I played. He was my

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Speaker 3: oco Wisconsin and a G eight under my pit and

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Speaker 3: he would always introduce himself as head ball coach because

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Speaker 3: his philosophy was, no, I'm not a quarterback coach. I

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Speaker 3: coach all positions. He goes, that's what every coach should

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Speaker 3: aspire to be. And I just always just stuck with me.

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Speaker 3: It's like so, but I like it's funny. Huh Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The more I push away, the more it comes back

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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 1: They I really appreciate it. Man, You're always so gen

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Speaker 1: u street the time, this time of year. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, and good luck with the rest of the

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Speaker 1: draft process and enjoy the chaos when it begins in

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Speaker 1: about three weeks.

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Speaker 3: I know it'll be great. Thanks. John, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Always fun Nate Tice Yahoo Sports. That's the Giants on

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Speaker 2: Keep getting better.