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Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, I wanted to do

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Speaker 1: an episode devoted to Chairman Comber's investigation of the Bidens

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Speaker 1: and Hunter Biden's recent court hearing, which I have to

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Speaker 1: I'm really pleased to welcome my guest, Mike Howell. He

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Speaker 1: is the director for the Oversight Project at the Heritage Foundation. Mike, welcome,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for joining me on News World.

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Speaker 2: Hey, happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. So I'm curious about your own background. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have an interesting experience in security, so tell us

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Speaker 1: about what you've already done in the area of security.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so, I'm an oversight attorney by training. I started

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Speaker 3: I went over there with him and we ran a

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Speaker 3: lot of investigations into the Oboma administration, particularly of the

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Speaker 3: US Secret Service, which was getting into a host of

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Speaker 3: problems in those days, high profile security incidents and lapses

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Speaker 3: over and over again. A lot of politicization of the

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Speaker 3: Obama administration's kind of investigative apparatus. We looked into Guantanamo

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Speaker 3: several Department of Home Ma Security inspectors generals, resulting in

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Speaker 3: a few being fired actually because of the things we uncovered.

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Speaker 3: And then when President Trump assumed the presidency, I went

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Speaker 3: some of the ongoing investigations from Congress, which was really

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Speaker 3: border policies, causing a lot of outrage on the left.

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Speaker 3: And then after leaving the Trump administration, I arrived at

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Speaker 3: the understanding that the left is light years ahead of

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Speaker 3: they'd end up controversy for four years. I mean, they're

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Speaker 3: do that with some great success, most recently and advocating

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Speaker 3: for what happened on Wednesday with Hunter Biden's Plea deal

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Heritage and I worked with

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Speaker 1: it starting back when Ed Fulner founded it. So I've

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Speaker 1: watched the growth of Heritage and the degree to which

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Speaker 1: it has really gathered together an amazing range of really

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Speaker 1: innovative approach. Talk to USESTRA complement is what how is

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Speaker 1: the oversight project conceptualized and how is it structured? Right?

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Speaker 3: So the goal is to get as much information out

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Speaker 3: we basically have two main functions. An investigative function, which

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Speaker 3: law enforcement, et cetera, that are really adept at using

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Speaker 3: We put out a study late last year where we

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Speaker 3: and we're exploring the commercial investigative market to use the

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Speaker 3: expanding data industry to help propel investigative findings. And you know,

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Speaker 3: the result of that study that we did where we

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Speaker 3: found illegal aliens were being moved from nonprofits of the

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Speaker 3: was that the House in HR two, their big border build,

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Speaker 3: and this is really a shame it has to exist,

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Speaker 3: to be honest with you, is you have to litigate

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Speaker 3: to get information out of the US government. The freedom

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Speaker 3: big organizations that have the ability to litigate to get

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Speaker 2: And one recent example.

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Speaker 3: Here is as soon as Chairman Jordans send a request

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Speaker 1: So let me go back for a second. And if

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, So we sued and we asked for a

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Speaker 3: preliminary injunction that says you got to get us the

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Speaker 3: have granted similar request for preliminary injunctions for all things

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Speaker 3: So you can see kind of the judicial dual standard

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Speaker 3: for if it's a leftist request, they'll get the stuff

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Speaker 1: How many pages a month do you think they're going

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Speaker 3: If it was not explosive stuff, they would have handed

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Speaker 1: When do you think you'll get the first five hundred pages.

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Speaker 3: We're pushing aggressively. It's my expectation that start getting stuff

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at where they're at now. They got

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Speaker 3: that's kind of our position to the court is they're

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Speaker 3: They've gathered it for us. It's a matter of transmission.

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Speaker 3: And so that's what we're saying to the court is

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Speaker 1: Well, given the bias of the court, are they trapped

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Speaker 3: The courts can be a problem, and we sue a

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Speaker 3: Oversight Project is exploring other means of litigation at the

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Speaker 3: state level and other districts, and perhaps even the international

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Speaker 3: unrelated issues. We have gotten a lot of documents this

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Speaker 3: We bring this to Congress's attention, say you guys should

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Speaker 1: Is a subpoena does it also has to go through

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Speaker 3: They've accepted accommodations for ignored subpoenas, but they floated holding

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Speaker 3: So the plea agreement was sealed, we had a pretty

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Speaker 1: One of the things I don't understand. Apparently one of

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Speaker 3: It was a crazy series of events. So here's what happened.

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Speaker 3: team says it was all miscommunication. It was a lower

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Speaker 3: It was a very senior, high level paid employee. It's

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Speaker 3: Hunter's team was basically trying to say, you aren't allowed

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Speaker 3: So all this to say is Hunter's team was trying

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Speaker 2: Of relief that we did win. But the palpable excitement

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Speaker 3: You had, you know, attorneys jumping up and down, you

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Speaker 3: They were, you know, chopping it up, being all hummy beforehand.

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Speaker 3: It's supposed to be an American judicial system where you

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Speaker 2: And that's where this is going.

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Speaker 3: I think the next step here is a corrupt bargain

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Speaker 3: Why they all agree to this corrupt plea deal to

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Speaker 1: Do they very often think that you can submit a

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Speaker 3: No, it's highly, highly unusual, and it's several points. The

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Speaker 3: Then several times on several different points, and they admitted, no,

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Speaker 1: This is wild. You come in and say we have

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Speaker 2: That's see exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And that was when the deal fell apart pretty much.

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Speaker 2: They told the judge, Okay, we'll live.

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Speaker 3: the piece of paper. That was their last ditch, Hail

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Speaker 3: It was after she asked Tunner of that question, they sidebarred,

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Speaker 1: Are they now back trying to work out a new deal?

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Speaker 1: Will they go to trial?

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Speaker 3: If they go to trial, Hunter's looking at multiple years

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Speaker 3: working on that now. But the three options are once

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Speaker 3: submit a new plea deal. But you got to understand

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Speaker 3: the purpose of the plea deal was to give him

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Speaker 3: immunity for the real big stuff. That's why they were

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Speaker 3: in Delaware on Wednesday. So they aren't going to have

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Speaker 3: him plead guilty if that's not in there, okay. Option

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Speaker 3: number two, dooj could drop the charges. They could say

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Speaker 3: we tried this like this is going south. We're just

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Speaker 3: dropping all charges. It would be a political hell storm

447
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Speaker 3: for the lets, but with our media and propaganda outlets,

448
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Speaker 3: they might just cover it up and just walk away

449
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Speaker 3: from it and let the house go and yell about

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Speaker 3: it and do that. The third option would be a pardon.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden could just pardon them for everything. Obviously, he

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Speaker 3: promised he would not do that. Kareem John Prierre said

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Speaker 3: he wouldn't do it, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: he's looking at his son going to jail potentially, and

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Speaker 3: the pardons the way that you guarantee that President Trumper

456
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Speaker 3: whoever comes in next, can't charge him again for this

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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So those are the three options. The

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Speaker 3: three buckets all have major implications.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me that the people at one level

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Speaker 1: would understand a pardon because you're the father and your

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Speaker 1: kids in a lot of trouble. But it also seems

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Speaker 1: to me that all of this is just part of

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Speaker 1: a sort of growing whirlpool of information, and you must

464
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Speaker 1: find yourself every week dealing with all sorts of new sources,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of new data, and seeing the dots on

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Speaker 1: the wall beginning to come together, and in almost every case,

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Speaker 1: the dot hurts the Biden case. I mean, is that

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Speaker 1: a fair summary.

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Speaker 3: It's an absolutely fair summary. And the way I kind

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Speaker 3: of break this down for people, and this is my

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Speaker 3: overarching theory on the corruption here in DC, is that

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Speaker 3: Biden and his family saw this as an elite right

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Speaker 3: of passage, and they looked at what the Clinton Global

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Speaker 3: Foundation was able to do in the Clintons, how they

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Speaker 3: were able to amass large amounts of wealth in a

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Speaker 3: very sophisticated way. They were, to their terrible credit, sophisticated

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Speaker 3: and getting themselves very rich. And then you see Barack

478
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Speaker 3: Obama who has Netflix and other just corporate America backing

479
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Speaker 3: up the brinks trucks for them, and you have Joe

480
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Speaker 3: Biden who wants in on this. He thinks he deserves it.

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Speaker 3: It's a right of passage for the big guys, and

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Speaker 3: his problem was he wasn't sophisticated. He had Hunter Biden

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Speaker 3: doing this stuff, and he had him doing it in

484
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Speaker 3: some of the sketchiest corners of the world. And so

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Speaker 3: that's what's unraveling right now. They haven't even profited an

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Speaker 3: example as to what the Biden family business was even selling. Okay,

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Speaker 3: theg that come out and said, oh, we were selling

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Speaker 3: you know, widgets over in Ukraine, or we were selling

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Speaker 3: you know, timeshares. No, it's obviously an influencing pedaling operation.

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Speaker 3: And you set up twenty you know, at least shell

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Speaker 3: companies LLCs. And then what really blew this open is

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Speaker 3: Chairman Comer give him a ton of ton of credit.

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Speaker 3: He did the one thing we asked, you know, and

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Speaker 3: suggested that they do, and that's get the bank records.

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Speaker 3: This is what the January sixth committee did. They got

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Speaker 3: bank and cell phone records. They kind of showed that

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Speaker 3: Congressional overs I can get in that space. And so

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Speaker 3: Colmer got in that space and he literally provided the

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Speaker 3: receipts for this money flowing into the various Biden shell companies.

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Speaker 3: There's a couple other investigative steps that need to be taken.

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Speaker 3: For example, Joe. We know for a fact the exact

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Speaker 3: Burner email address he was using and his Burner her

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Speaker 3: cell phone had John Solomon called him on his Burner

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Speaker 3: cell phone once. We've been pushing to have the Hill actually,

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Speaker 3: you know, expand their investigation, get those cell phone records,

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Speaker 3: those email records, because that's where this is going. It's

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Speaker 3: about showing the interaction between Biden and his you know,

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Speaker 3: his son in these business dealings to which we're going

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Speaker 3: to hear testimony I think July thirty first from Devin Archer,

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Speaker 3: Hunter's business associate, who will say that Joe was on

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Speaker 3: the phone with a lot of these business conversations with Hunter.

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Speaker 1: Although I noticed today there was a little pushback suggesting

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Speaker 1: in the Washington Post or somewhere that Devon will say

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Speaker 1: that Joe did not directly participate in any of the deals.

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Speaker 3: I've read the same reports. But this is still a

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Speaker 3: massive leap forward in that it places Joe on the phone.

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Speaker 3: Why did he think he was on the phone with

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Speaker 3: the Ukrainian area code?

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Speaker 1: If you're writing a novel and you have money coming

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Speaker 1: to Hunter Biden, who clearly is the bag man. I mean,

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Speaker 1: nobody's paying Hunter Biden as Hunter Biden, and you have Kazakhstan, Romania, Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: Russia and China all his sources of money. This is

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Speaker 1: so obvious that if Biden were a Republican, the Post

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Speaker 1: and the New York Times would have destroyed him. We're

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Speaker 1: Woodward and Bernstein at this point because the elite media

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Speaker 1: is doing everything it can to minimize this case, and

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Speaker 1: the case just keeps growing despite them. But the one

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Speaker 1: I find the most interesting. He gets three and a

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Speaker 1: half million dollars from the widow of the mayor of Moscow. Now,

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to sort of ask yourself under

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Speaker 1: what circumstance would she have decided to send him. Apparently

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Speaker 1: it's an energy deal. But that one fact alone, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and getting three and a half million, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you ever even met her, but it

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Speaker 1: was some kind of deal. I mean. Don't you just

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Speaker 1: find that the total range of contacts on the total

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Speaker 1: volume of money is almost beyond dispute.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely is. I mean, it is what it looks like.

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Speaker 3: There is no legitimate reason for any of this money

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Speaker 3: to come in in any of these functions, and no

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Speaker 3: excuses even improper by either the left and their media

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Speaker 3: organizations or the Biden family and their handlers, because they

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Speaker 3: know it is what it looks like. And the American

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Speaker 3: people fundamentally understand that there's no good reason to be

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Speaker 3: getting money from these corners of the world if you're

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Speaker 3: a leading US politician, if not the most powerful person

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Speaker 3: in the country. And so I think the American people

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Speaker 3: fundamentally understand this. And you make an interesting point about.

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Speaker 2: The media and their role in this.

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Speaker 3: They're part of what's under investigation in my mind, what

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Speaker 3: they did in terms of the interference into the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty election, and they're continued political just overtness. They're on

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Speaker 3: the other team. There's no case to be made that

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Speaker 3: they're some neutral observer of independence.

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Speaker 2: In journalism.

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Speaker 3: We see the continued leaks of classified information even through

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Speaker 3: the media. I mean during the Trump administration, this is

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Speaker 3: near daily occurrence. They're part of the investigation, whether we

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Speaker 3: like it or not. I know that raises some First

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Speaker 3: Amendment questions. But New York Times they've blown us up

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Speaker 3: at the oversight practice a couple times with some drive

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Speaker 3: by head pieces, and frequently they asked for comments. But

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Speaker 3: you know, as a matter of practice, we're investigating the

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Speaker 3: New York Times. We're investigating the Washington Post and their

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Speaker 3: connections to the administration. They're under investigation by US, and

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Speaker 3: I think they should also be under investigation by Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 1: To what extent should this also lead back to the

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Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation as sort of the forerunner. There's actually much

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Speaker 1: more money and much more direct ties. The Uranium one deal,

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Speaker 1: where the Russians got twenty percent of our uranium and

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Speaker 1: magically the Clinton Foundation at thirty five million dollars is

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Speaker 1: probably as clear an example of fundamental violation of the

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Speaker 1: system as I can imagine. And it's always struck me

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Speaker 1: as either we've never gone after their records and subpoenaed

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Speaker 1: their documents and understood their cash flow and then tied

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Speaker 1: the dates back to public policy decisions, because it seems

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Speaker 1: to me that they're very blatant am I missing something?

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Speaker 3: No, So the problem is a lack of political will

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Speaker 3: to do that. I mean, when you had John Durham

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Speaker 3: come up and testify to the Judiciary Committee, he admitted

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Speaker 3: that he didn't even bring you know, Hillary Clinton in

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Speaker 3: under oath, He didn't subpoena the relevant things related to

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Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton. And you had members on the Republican side

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Speaker 3: saying why don't you do that? Why didn't you do that?

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Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there yelling at the TV, why don't

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Speaker 3: you do that?

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Speaker 2: You can do that.

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Speaker 3: They won't touch it. They won't touch it. But how

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Speaker 3: this fits. I think we're going to have a large

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Speaker 3: national conversation and reckoning with corruption. We're living through the

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Speaker 3: peak of American corruption. In my view, it's become so

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Speaker 3: normalized and they viewed as an elite right of passage,

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Speaker 3: and Biden maybe one of the more flagrant examples in

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Speaker 3: the sloppiness of it, but it's still, you know, the

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Speaker 3: Clint Foundation a lot bigger. So we're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: have a national reckoning and comp about the fact that

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Speaker 3: we have lost control of ethical conduct in our institutions.

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Speaker 3: It is a joke that politicians come here and all

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Speaker 3: leave richer.

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Speaker 2: They all do.

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Speaker 3: Look how Nancy Pelosi did it and the less flagrant

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Speaker 3: of fashion and American Constitutional Republic sho didn't work that

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Speaker 3: way at all. And I think the common everyday American

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Speaker 3: is absolutely sick of seeing this leadership class just self

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Speaker 3: enriched self deal. And when Biden, if he goes down

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Speaker 3: for all of this, I hope what follows is a

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Speaker 3: deep reform not only of the systems, but of also

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Speaker 3: the principles and public expectations.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me that we should expect and insist

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Speaker 1: that the Republican House actually reopen the whole experience, which

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Speaker 1: is really an Obama administration of experience. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: Hillary as Secretary of State, it is Biden as vice president.

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Speaker 1: I've also thought that there are actually two parallel corruptions.

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Speaker 1: There's the corruption of the politicians, the Biden's and the

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Speaker 1: Clintons sort of families, but then there's also the corruption

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Speaker 1: of the entire institutional law enforcement, and that both of

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Speaker 1: those tracks need to be followed very aggressively and with

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Speaker 1: great determination.

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, and the House had an opportunity to

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Speaker 3: position themselves to do this that they did not take.

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Speaker 3: That was the establishment of a Church Committee. A lot

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Speaker 3: of us on the right and people in my world

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Speaker 3: were calling for such a thing because we knew, you know,

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Speaker 3: as a former staffer who worked on a committee, there's

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Speaker 3: only so far that you can go with the limited.

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Speaker 2: Resources that you have.

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Speaker 3: We can't have a House of Representatives in the most

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Speaker 3: corrupt time in American history that's situated in the same

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Speaker 3: construct that it has been for decades, where you basically

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Speaker 3: have like three to five chairmen with actually going after

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Speaker 3: this stuff, and then everyone else has no authority and

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Speaker 3: there's limited staff. We wanted to see a church commission,

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Speaker 3: you know, to go back to the nineteen seventies, where

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Speaker 3: they brought in one hundred and fifty former prosecutors, intelligence folks, professors, historians, detectives,

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Speaker 3: what forensic auditors, et cetera, and to really staff the

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Speaker 3: House of Representatives, structure it in a way where they

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Speaker 3: could actually go and deep dives in many different places.

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Speaker 3: And they just can't do that right now. They aren't

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Speaker 3: situated to do this. I mean, the January sixth Committee,

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Speaker 3: for all of its warts and how awful and terrible

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Speaker 3: I thought it was, they did try out that principle

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Speaker 3: of that model of supercharging the functionality of it, and

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Speaker 3: that's what we needed to do, and we did not

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Speaker 3: do that. And I think as the stuff breaks, you're

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Speaker 3: going to see increased calls from those on the right

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Speaker 3: to start supercharging the House. I mean, they can do this,

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Speaker 3: it'll upset the Apple card and that you'll have people

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Speaker 3: outside the line for committee gabbles getting more authority. But

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Speaker 3: this is what the country needs right now. They need

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Speaker 3: a true investigative function out of the House of Representatives

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Speaker 3: because we can't rely on federal law enforcements anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that'sk you go. One last thing, which

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Speaker 1: is I've been puzzled as I listened to McCarthy or

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Speaker 1: Scalis or Jim Jordan or Comer. They use extraordinarily strong

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Speaker 1: this is a totally pullit size process that violates the

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Speaker 1: doesn't the House have it within its power to simply

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Speaker 1: refuse to fund it? As of September thirtieth one.

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Speaker 3: They can pick and choose which investigative functions use specific

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Speaker 3: Another thing they can do, and this is something a

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Speaker 3: remember Oliver North was granted immunity in exchange for his

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Speaker 3: not offering that immunity to President Trump and others in

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Speaker 1: And at that point, the House itself cannot for the immunity.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, sir, with a civil and majority vote.

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Speaker 1: That's very useful. I hadn't I thought about that, but

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Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. I'm confident we're going

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Speaker 1: going to continue to unfold and continue to go down

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Speaker 1: Heritage dot org and they can look at the Oversight

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Speaker 1: Project where you keep putting more and more material out.

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Speaker 1: I think as director of the Heritage Foundation's Oversight Project,

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Speaker 1: you're one of the key intersections and what I think

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Speaker 1: will turn out to be the largest scandal in American

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Speaker 1: history in a moment where we really do decide whether

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Speaker 1: we're just going to decay into a corrupt Third World

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Speaker 1: to being a constitutional republic with the rule of law.

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Speaker 1: So the look you're doing, I think, Mike, is extraordinarily important.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mister speaker.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Mike Howell. You can learn

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