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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast, George

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Speaker 1: nor with you. Paul Blake Smith back with Us. Born

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Speaker 1: of that city's public school system and then attended Southeast

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Speaker 1: Missouri State University at the Cape along my son did

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Speaker 1: that and also one of my granddaughters. He has a

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Speaker 1: four year degree in mass communications with a major with

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Speaker 1: an English miner. The grandson of a Cape Girardo attorney

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Speaker 1: of fifty plus years and also a US grandson actually

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Speaker 1: also a US Commissioner, city attorney, and community leader. Paul

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Speaker 1: is the son of a local paralegal and an educator

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Speaker 1: who worked in the suspected crash area within neighboring Scott County.

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Speaker 1: A fan of American history and popular culture, he now

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Speaker 1: lives and works in a city in the western part

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Speaker 1: of the showm State, writing original screenplays and other books

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Speaker 1: on largely historical non fiction subjects, including a follow up

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Speaker 1: to his original fact based publication M forty one, The

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Speaker 1: Bombshell Before Roswell. Paul Blake Smith Back on Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 1: Hey Paul, welcome back, thanks for having me on, and

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Speaker 1: Happy President's Day. Absolutely, my son still raves about Simo

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Speaker 1: glad I went there. It was for me. It was

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Speaker 1: a lot like high school in Cape Girardo, only with

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Speaker 1: up a sweat just getting to your classroom. But otherwise

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Speaker 1: it was a great university. I used to drive out

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Speaker 1: there a lot to pick him up and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: And then one of my granddaughters graduated from there with

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Speaker 1: a great time there. How did you get involved in

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Speaker 1: these UFO stories? When I was researching the Cape Girardo

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Speaker 1: UFO crash of nineteen forty one, I kept happening across

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Speaker 1: a story that I had read some years earlier and

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Speaker 1: intrigued me this idea that Resident Eisenhower actually met with

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Speaker 1: friendly extraterrestrials at an Air Force base, at a hangar

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Speaker 1: and I thought, has anyone ever researched this early and

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Speaker 1: done a book, so I thought, no one has, and

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Speaker 1: I wrote that and it came out a few years

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Speaker 1: And along the way I found the date February nineteenth

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Speaker 1: kept popping up. For example, that's when Eisenhower stuck away

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Speaker 1: from his Palm Springs, California vacation to go out to

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Speaker 1: Edwards Air Force Base in a pre arranged meeting. And

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Speaker 1: ten years later, exactly Lyndon Johnson was president. He was

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Speaker 1: Eisenhower and met with him a number of times, some

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Speaker 1: kind of wonder what the two of them were up

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Speaker 1: to that was so very important. They had to meet

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four event, on February nineteenth, LBJ went back

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Speaker 1: to Palm Springs and met again with Dwight Eisenhower in

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Speaker 1: his retirement, and they played golf together and huddled in private,

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Speaker 1: and soon we had a new president, Richard Nixon, and

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Speaker 1: so on February nineteenth, nineteen seventy three, it's been alleged

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Speaker 1: by Jackie Gleason's wife that Jackie came home one night

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Speaker 1: This theme sound familiar, and there were extraterrestrial was involved.

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Speaker 1: So I thought, where's a book on this? There isn't any,

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Speaker 1: Days an excellent time to talk about it, don't you

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Speaker 1: perfect timing, And that book's going to be called The

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Speaker 1: Nixon Gleason Alien Encounter. That's correct from foundations, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll get that out before people want to buy a

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Speaker 1: Jackie Gleason blurted out to his wife at the time,

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Speaker 1: a very honest man. He didn't make up a lot

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Speaker 1: facts and he went really overboard for the facts on

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Speaker 1: York City based show, and Jackie was an insomniac, and

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Speaker 1: Gleeson go to Nixon when they went down to Homestead

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Speaker 1: The two had played golf since their early sixties. For

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Speaker 1: So you know that Jackie was obsessed with the UFOs.

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Speaker 1: But by early nineteen seventy three, Nixon was in a bind.

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Speaker 1: and so they all got caught, and Nixon needed to

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Speaker 1: A few weeks after the Jackie Gleason encounter, Nixon was

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Speaker 1: had been offering on the hair over the years, first

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Speaker 1: give me absolute hard proof. So do we have to

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Speaker 1: For so Nixon was the guy. Yeah, Nixon needed the money.

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Speaker 1: He knew Jackie had this obsession, and all he had

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Speaker 1: fifty five times, Nixon flew down to keybis Cane to

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Speaker 1: how he picked up Jackie, I believe by helicopter. They

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Speaker 1: see Nixon telling Jackie right now, I'm going to show

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Speaker 1: you get Jackie, the man who has everything but yearns

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Speaker 1: What did Nixon reportedly show him? Paul? According to Beverley Gleason,

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Speaker 1: Jackie's wife at the time, he came home and said,

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Speaker 1: I just saw the bodies of four dead aliens. President

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Speaker 1: Nixon showed me at Homestead Air Force Base, and he

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Speaker 1: said that he apparently didn't give a color of their skin.

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Speaker 1: But he said they were about two feet in height,

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Speaker 1: that you had to have imagine Jackie's reaction to this.

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Speaker 1: He must have been absolutely staggered. But here was finally

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Speaker 1: And when you go back to the old nineteen fifty

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Speaker 1: the descriptions match perfectly. He said. They had big ears

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Speaker 1: serious about it, his wife said, and this was not

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