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Speaker 1: Today's guest Pro Football Hall of Famer and Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: champion Bill Pollian. Before we get to Bill, I want

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Speaker 1: five star positive review. And now let's welcome in our

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Speaker 1: very special guest Pro Football Hall of Famer, super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 1: former general manager of the Bills Panthers and Indianapolis Colts,

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Speaker 1: that is Bill Polly. And Bill, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us on the Giants Huttle. First and foremost,

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Speaker 1: hope you and your family are safe and healthy and

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Speaker 1: what's been a very difficult year. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: We are, thank God, uh, and it's been a very

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Speaker 1: difficult year for all of our fellow citisen and so

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Speaker 1: we count ourselves very plus to to be Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: same here, Bill, and let me start here as a

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Speaker 1: former general manager and evaluator. What was the first thing

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Speaker 1: that went through your mind when you saw what the

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Speaker 1: training camp rules were going to be in following what

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Speaker 1: was a non existent in person offseason program. Well, my

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Speaker 1: first thought really was how do you make this work?

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Speaker 1: The rules are what they are. Um, They've been determined

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Speaker 1: by the medical professionals. Dr Sills is extremely well qualified

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Speaker 1: and very dedicated, and the people that are working with

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Speaker 1: him are the same. So the rules are what they

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Speaker 1: are and therefore, um, how do you how do you

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Speaker 1: make this work? So? Uh, you know, there's any number

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Speaker 1: of ways to approach it. Um, but that was my

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Speaker 1: And these are the rules for the fans that might

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Speaker 1: not know. Players can opt out by August three if

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Speaker 1: they so choose Days seven to fourteen, and that basically

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Speaker 1: starts now as veterans report will be all strength and

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Speaker 1: conditioning with some walkthroughs. Then you'll have O t a

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Speaker 1: like padless practices on days fifteen to twenty, and then

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Speaker 1: August seventeen, Bill will be the first time you have

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Speaker 1: a chance to have padded practice. You can have a

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Speaker 1: maximum of fourteen before the regular season begins. No preseason

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Speaker 1: games of course, So as a general manager, how would

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Speaker 1: roster trying to put together your fifty three and your

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Speaker 1: practice squad. Well, the ability to evaluate new players who

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Speaker 1: mind that, as we discussed this, it's against the background

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Speaker 1: of rules that are in place for everybody's health. So

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Speaker 1: nobody's nobody's arguing with the rules. Of course, the question

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Speaker 1: is how do you how do you implement? So the

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Speaker 1: fact is that you're not going to have a lot

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Speaker 1: of time to evaluate players. And an additional fact is

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Speaker 1: that the young players will be very, very far behind

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Speaker 1: They're they're in a position where, um, all they really

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Speaker 1: as Bill Parcels famously said, and I've never forgotten football

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Speaker 1: In terms of not having the preseason games. Bill and

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Speaker 1: Well that that's a that's a very hard question. UM.

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Speaker 1: and all Giant fans are to see it. How do

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones does? Well? How do you think those guys

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Speaker 1: will will will kind of weave together? Jason Garrett, in

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Speaker 1: my mind, was the you know, maybe the biggest offseason

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Speaker 1: I'll fetch you A lot of Giant fans don't notice.

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Speaker 1: The Dallas offense last year was number one in the

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Speaker 1: league game yep, and every almost every category, um, and

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Speaker 1: and his fingerprints were all over it. Um can he

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Speaker 1: turned Si Juan into Dallas is running back? You betty can?

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Speaker 1: Because Sake one has the same ability. Uh. The offensive

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Speaker 1: He's gonna do wonders for Daniel just as he did

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Speaker 1: utmost confidence in Jason Garrett. That was a phenomenal pickup

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Speaker 1: for the Giants. Now you're locked in, you know, you

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Speaker 1: talked to coaches and everybody around the league. So but

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Speaker 1: outside end, what did you heard? What did you hear

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Speaker 1: kind of fed coach you think he's going to be

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Speaker 1: because we haven't had a chance to see him in

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Speaker 1: action yet. No, you haven't, and and and and really

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Speaker 1: the league. UM, including those with phenomenal return guys, Uh

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Speaker 1: like Kansas City, you know, with Tyreek and people like that.

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Speaker 1: And and so that's a big check mark because it

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Speaker 1: tells you a that he can coach and get through

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Speaker 1: to his players, and be that he understands situational football.

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Speaker 1: You can't work for Bill Belichick and not understand situational football.

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Speaker 1: So those are two big check marks there. And then finally, um,

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Speaker 1: he comes via Nick Saban. Uh. You know Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: pedigree as it is if you did nothing else. So Uh,

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Speaker 1: he used to winning, He's used to discipline the situational football. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's used to sound and solid defense. He's used to

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Speaker 1: sound on that solid offense. So, um, he hasn't called

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Speaker 1: the shots before. But the special team's coach uh is

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Speaker 1: the head coach, and he speaks to everybody on the team,

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Speaker 1: and he's got to motivate everybody on the team. So

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Speaker 1: I was not surprised to hear from insiders around the

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Speaker 1: league that his interview was dynamic. That didn't surprise me

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Speaker 1: to be that way every week. Um. So you know

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Speaker 1: the proof is in the pudding. We're gonna find out uh,

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Speaker 1: And he's going to be in the toughest media market

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Speaker 1: in football, so that that exacerbates UH his his maiden

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Speaker 1: voyage a little bit. But all signs point to UH

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Speaker 1: a great higher. So we'll see the proofers in the pudding. UH.

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Speaker 1: And he's gonna make some mistakes, and lord knows, every

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Speaker 1: But UH, I think in the long run, UH, they

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Speaker 1: made the right decision. A couple more quick questions with

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Speaker 1: I should ask you about Patrick Graham the Giants addition,

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Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. He held that job from Miami last

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Speaker 1: year comes over. Uh, what do you know about him

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Speaker 1: that have worked at him. He's been the league for

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Speaker 1: a long time. And what kind of scheme do you

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Speaker 1: think he'll try to implement here with the Giants? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's probably gonna be UM,

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Speaker 1: it's probably gonna have a two gap base, I would guess,

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Speaker 1: and and multiple coverages in the secondary if if the

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Speaker 1: Miami experiences is any UH barometer. But I'm as anxious

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Speaker 1: as you are to see what see what the finished

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Speaker 1: product looks like on opening day. Yeah. Absolutely, Dave Gentleman,

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Speaker 1: he was a scout of yours during your time in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys are still close to Dave always speaks, uh,

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Speaker 1: very proudly of his time there. Um, getting onto all

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Speaker 1: those Super bowls with the Bills. Where do you see

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Speaker 1: this team in terms of the stages of the building process, Bill,

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Speaker 1: and how Dave has built them up and and what

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Speaker 1: needs to be done and just kind of where they

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Speaker 1: are in that building process. Well, first of all, you know,

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Speaker 1: And and he wasn't a scout them, and he was

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Speaker 1: a friend long before either of us got to the

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Speaker 1: National Football League. So um, you know I go back

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Speaker 1: with him a long long way and and have the

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Speaker 1: utmost faith in his judgment and direction. I think this

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Speaker 1: is the Giants or work in progress. Um. They've got

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Speaker 1: a young quarterback who shows a world of promise. They

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Speaker 1: got a scintillating running back who can take over games. Um,

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Speaker 1: they've improved the offensive line, which was necessary. The defense

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Speaker 1: is in effect and overhaul. Uh so that's gonna take

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Speaker 1: time to to put in place. Um, they've had a

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Speaker 1: little hiccup in the kicking game that they don't have

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Speaker 1: necessarily a reliable guy there now that you can count

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Speaker 1: on weekend and week out. So it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: work in progress. But I think the question all Zion

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Speaker 1: fans should ask themselves is do I have faith in

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Speaker 1: the track records of the guys who are in charge?

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Speaker 1: John Mara, Dave Gentleman, Um the new coach, Coach Judge, Um,

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. Uh, those guys all have outstanding track records,

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Speaker 1: and uh, and that's that's a sure sign that you're

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Speaker 1: on the road to success. Will there be bumps in

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Speaker 1: the road, you bet, and of course in New York

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Speaker 1: they'll be magnified. But the bottom line is that, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I have faith that the job is going

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Speaker 1: to get done. Bronx born Bill Polly and joining us

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Speaker 1: on the giant subtle, Bill, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: the time. We really do appreciate you being so generous

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Speaker 1: with us, and I'm knocking on what right now. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll be enjoying about five months of football here and

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Speaker 1: a full sixteen game season in the playoffs, I surely hope,

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Speaker 1: so thank you and stay safe. And stay I hope

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Speaker 1: you're you're listeners. Stay safe. YouTube Bill. That's Bill poleian

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Speaker 1: pro football Hall of Famer, former Super Bowl champion, longtime

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