Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O Day covering the Diddy trial.
Speaker 2: You have a prepaid call from Sure. Let's call ANDREI
Speaker 2: telephone number. We'll be monitored and recorded. Shure man, it's
Speaker 2: good with you, top in the morning to you.
Speaker 1: I miss you, baby. How are you?
Speaker 2: Oh? You know, miss you baby. Every day's a blessing.
Speaker 2: He's still taking over the world. I see.
Speaker 3: Huh, you know, one little small step at a time.
Speaker 3: But can I tell you I have missed your spirit
Speaker 3: and energy for so long. I always watch your interviews
Speaker 3: and I think people would trip out to hear us
Speaker 3: talking and know to find out that we've known each
Speaker 3: other for what is it decades now, I think since
Speaker 3: the last time we hung out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be funny about it that I had
Speaker 2: got you studio time because I had tracks and stuff
Speaker 2: for you, but somebody got in the way of it.
Speaker 2: You probably never knew that part, but I will tell
Speaker 2: you that today.
Speaker 1: I did not know. I swear I did not know
Speaker 1: that part.
Speaker 2: That you know.
Speaker 3: That's kind of the story of being blacklisted, though you
Speaker 3: know how that goes. Can I tell you one thing, Sugar,
Speaker 3: There was this photo of us where you gave me
Speaker 3: my first cigar, and me and you were smoking a
Speaker 3: cigar at some event that we were at together, and
Speaker 3: it's my one of my favorite photos of us, and
Speaker 3: it got riped off the internet. I can't find it anywhere,
Speaker 3: and I used to be able to just google it.
Speaker 2: One of those people who probably don't like you probably
Speaker 2: got rid of it somehow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. They don't want people knowing that.
Speaker 3: They don't want people knowing that we're friends, that we
Speaker 3: collaborate on ideas exactly. So, Sugar, I know you don't
Speaker 3: have a ton of time, so I want to first
Speaker 3: get started with my like the number one dying question
Speaker 3: I have for you, which is historically you and Puff
Speaker 3: have had decades of bad blood and so seeing interview
Speaker 3: after interview lately where you're basically kind of saying things
Speaker 3: like Puff isn't guilty for the things he did to
Speaker 3: those people, that he didn't invent abuse industry tactics Salon, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, I do agree with you on that
Speaker 3: this is a systematic issue and way more people need
Speaker 3: to be being discussed. However, doesn't you saying that those
Speaker 3: statements in general kind of validate that Puff is doing
Speaker 3: that behavior and that he is guilty of it.
Speaker 2: So I never said that I don't believe he not
Speaker 2: doing anything wrong. What I said was this, I mean,
Speaker 2: I love the coach of hip hop. I love the
Speaker 2: coach of our people. Right, Yes, it was all said
Speaker 2: and done. I said they should be smart about it
Speaker 2: because you know, my belief is that I feel, like
Speaker 2: I always felt, I felt that he's real comfortable with
Speaker 2: the authorities, maybe the FBI informant or something. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I said at this time that they're not really
Speaker 2: gonna smack him like they're another with smacking anyone else,
Speaker 2: because you got to look at the pattern. But it's
Speaker 2: the same guy. That one thing for certain, one thing
Speaker 2: for sure. When I started my company, when I started
Speaker 2: death Row, nobody started death row button me. When I
Speaker 2: decided to start death Row, I came with the name
Speaker 2: my Little homy hit Doll Rest in Peace to the
Speaker 2: logo Everything's done blew me. And then as time went on,
Speaker 2: people try to get recognition or try to get out
Speaker 2: of prison, and he got out of prison by saying
Speaker 2: and they have affiliated with me, were alive, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, buff really had drug money
Speaker 2: invold in this shit, that's the past, right, But at
Speaker 2: the same time, he got him a parting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a lot of people moving in the
Speaker 1: streets for him. He had a bunch of people right, right.
Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to say is you take now,
Speaker 2: sure enough, I'm from Tamping, I'm with all that, and
Speaker 2: I claim everything about what God made me. I am right,
Speaker 2: but don't lie on me. So when I said that,
Speaker 2: he's probably not gonna smack him that bad because of
Speaker 2: his affiliations with law enforcements. So then when I was
Speaker 2: trying to save this and I still stand up on me,
Speaker 2: it's so much more we can do for the generations
Speaker 2: behind us. Yes, what I mean by that, it's like
Speaker 2: make make him you understand and tell his truth. He
Speaker 2: should one of humanized himself and help others. Make all
Speaker 2: the other people who were definitely involved.
Speaker 1: Why was I just gonna I was going to jump
Speaker 1: to Capricorn, Like everybody was talking about Capricorn's testimony, and
Speaker 1: on my podcast, I said, I was a bit disappointed
Speaker 1: that she didn't go all the way there because if
Speaker 1: you were around in the industry, you know what she
Speaker 1: endured and who and how she got the money to
Speaker 1: go away and they didn't talk about it on the stand.
Speaker 2: You mean to tell me that he gonna bring Capricorn,
Speaker 2: Puffy and one of the ghouls and me women to
Speaker 2: make Capricorn take the money, not like saying you are
Speaker 2: a choice.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you something on that? When I heard
Speaker 1: in the testimony that she had come from death Row
Speaker 1: and then was brought over to bad Boy and how
Speaker 1: they kind of initiated her into that family. I had
Speaker 1: never known that she had come from death row? What
Speaker 1: was that extreme of an initiation for? Like, what what
Speaker 1: did they think she was gonna do? Come report back?
Speaker 1: I mean, what what was that? Did that elevate the
Speaker 1: beef between you guys?
Speaker 2: First of all, let's get it straight. Me personally, he
Speaker 2: wasn't important enough to be my enemy. I never had
Speaker 2: nothing against Puff like that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And we know it can be beef because you ain't
Speaker 2: never one thing about me. You're gonna see me everywhere
Speaker 2: you go on the West Coast. You're gonna see me
Speaker 2: in the ghetto, You're gonna see in somebody's project. You
Speaker 2: gonna see me at every restaurre, every club, every beach, everywhere.
Speaker 2: So it's nothing separating him or anyone else get at
Speaker 2: me but ad And at the same time, even when
Speaker 2: even when I did get shot, I still can't do
Speaker 2: one way. So and I got shot more than us.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to Capricorn, you gotta look at
Speaker 2: it like this, the high for a position. We all
Speaker 2: know what her position was. Right now when you settle,
Speaker 2: there's no taxes. Yeah, but they know the truth because
Speaker 2: you tell them about the government. You talk about the FBI.
Speaker 2: You know how powerful United States is the United States government?
Speaker 2: It's like Trump. You see how fast Trump can get
Speaker 2: seven hundred troopils or whoever he won marine down there
Speaker 2: in downtown and look what area because he's a president
Speaker 2: of the United States.
Speaker 1: I guess I always viewed puff as being one of
Speaker 1: the untouchables, But all of a sudden he's touchable, Which
Speaker 1: makes me wonder who else is a sole inventor of
Speaker 1: this type of behavior you were around? Who are the names?
Speaker 1: Can you start helping make some change? Give me names?
Speaker 2: Okay, this is how you gotta look at It's not
Speaker 2: the fact that people's untouchable or not untouchable. Right now,
Speaker 2: they can snatch your happiness if you let them patrol you.
Speaker 2: But if you following God, can nobody snatch your happiness.
Speaker 2: I've been in prison ten and a half years. They
Speaker 2: ain't had a bad deal yet, right, that's only because
Speaker 2: of God, and I got good people, you know on
Speaker 2: the streets. Right. But this is the thing. Let's get
Speaker 2: to the facts. That's about rebuilding the industry. If we
Speaker 2: really care about the culture of hip hop and where
Speaker 2: should go. Let's get the truth. Let's put these people
Speaker 2: on the stand.
Speaker 1: Tell me some of the truth. Should tell me who
Speaker 1: should take the stand.
Speaker 2: They shouldn't let Capricorn walk the way they let her walk,
Speaker 2: because if you look at it, if you look at Capricorn,
Speaker 2: you're going to be said, okay, okay, kat you trying
Speaker 2: to tell me. I'm not saying it's not true. Puffy
Speaker 2: threatened you and you didn't tell me. What type of
Speaker 2: bitch is you? They know who at the players are.
Speaker 2: Get all those people on the stand, let them tell
Speaker 2: their truth and work out some type of deal.
Speaker 1: Somebody has to start naming them. They're not gonna take
Speaker 1: the stand themselves.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but you don't. But they can name them.
Speaker 2: First of all. You gotta look at it like this,
Speaker 2: just the United States, just the government you think those
Speaker 2: da that worked for the FBI work in the United
Speaker 2: States of America. They don't have the resources, they don't
Speaker 2: have to knowledge not to get it done. They listening
Speaker 2: to us right now as we speak. They probably watching me,
Speaker 2: and they probably can tell you. I'm shut certain as
Speaker 2: right now. See how many times I've been working out.
Speaker 2: So this is the United States of America, powerful people, right,
Speaker 2: So start like this. Every person around them has been corrupted.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what I know, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: ask you what you know even if you take and
Speaker 2: I ain't picking on reg Jie, I think they should
Speaker 2: look out for rage.
Speaker 1: I asked Raj at the end of last year, was
Speaker 1: he a part of any of it? And he told
Speaker 1: me no.
Speaker 2: So you're trying to say you never seen Puffy and
Speaker 2: ray J together your like your whole career.
Speaker 1: I saw them together a lot now, you.
Speaker 2: Know as well as I know. When you've seen ray
Speaker 2: J with Puffy? Was he acting like Brandy's little brother?
Speaker 2: Was he being Raj? Or was he being one of
Speaker 2: Puppy's people? You tell me? Did I tell you what
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 3: I think everybody around Diddy knows that Diddy is the one,
Speaker 3: it's in charge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's a whole bunch of suck. It
Speaker 2: ain't what else going on. But look, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you like this, and I'm gonna take up for ray
Speaker 2: Jae because Ray Jae is going through a lot.
Speaker 1: Because didn't he spend it on you a bit and
Speaker 1: say you were doing it?
Speaker 2: One thing, I've never got a dressing proved. One I'm black. Two,
Speaker 2: I'm a man, Three am a man of God. And
Speaker 2: four love me in the world. Everybody knows. Yeah, everybody
Speaker 2: know what I do. And I do love you. You
Speaker 2: got all the juice in the world. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I'm a man. I'm a man that loves
Speaker 2: beautiful women, right, I do know.
Speaker 1: I know that I've seen you through the years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna put my penis in a woman.
Speaker 2: But I'm not even nicking on a woman. But so
Speaker 2: if I ain't gonna if I ain't gonna put my
Speaker 2: opinions in a woman, but what makes you think I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put my opinions in a man's ass?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So in regards to Tupac's shooting, you were in the car.
Speaker 1: We all know that Keithy came forward and said that
Speaker 1: Puff offered a million bucks to take him out. We
Speaker 1: know that Zip is gone. They can't maybe trace the money,
Speaker 1: I guess, is what's going on in that situation? And
Speaker 1: Keethy was in the backseat? And is all that true?
Speaker 2: Okay, Before I can get to that part, you see,
Speaker 2: they don't got KVD at Puppy's trial over.
Speaker 1: Stead, Why when Keithy d got taken in, I was
Speaker 1: expecting that charge to come up in the indictment in
Speaker 1: all honesty.
Speaker 2: No, well, okay, so look, let's let's break it down.
Speaker 2: Let me let me walk you through it. Okay. Now,
Speaker 2: first of all, Puff is from New York. He come
Speaker 2: on the West Coast. People pretty much figured that. You know,
Speaker 2: they think they called New York the Red Apple, but
Speaker 2: in reality, the West Coast is the Red Apple. So
Speaker 2: the red apples already in somebody's hands taking a big
Speaker 2: bite off that apple. Have no choice but to day
Speaker 2: with the lady and the devil in the blue dress,
Speaker 2: you know. So Puff goes to recruit the people who
Speaker 2: wear blue. Now it's a guy named James who moved
Speaker 2: to my neighborhood, like in nineteen eighty two. He started
Speaker 2: living in kepd's neighborhood, his baby mother and wife there,
Speaker 2: his best friends with gpd's wife or baby mama or
Speaker 2: whatever this case may be. I'm not all in the
Speaker 2: politics of that. WHOHI he personally heard, he personally seen
Speaker 2: Jane Jamee's personally seen Puffy talking to KD them in
Speaker 2: their neighborhood about putting money on Tupac and on me.
Speaker 1: That's one thing, right, Why was his hatred so deep
Speaker 1: for you in Park?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it started with Tupac first.
Speaker 1: There's rumors out there that they were there was potentially
Speaker 1: more than a friendship between them.
Speaker 3: Is that true between Pokin Diddy? Was there anything going
Speaker 3: on their relationship wise?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you like this, I had to be
Speaker 2: with if I wasn't winning twenty four, twenty four hours
Speaker 2: out the day. We talked all through the day, all
Speaker 2: through the night. I ain't never seen PC talking about
Speaker 2: messing with a man, want to mess with a man?
Speaker 1: So the people that are saying that are capping.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you gotta realize what game have them?
Speaker 2: You got this? What you gotta realize. You got the
Speaker 2: people who do something in life and did something in life,
Speaker 2: and you got the people who never did them in life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who go on podcasting gossip if you do.
Speaker 2: Your well, you know, well that's a new that's a
Speaker 2: new thing of the gossip because you don't get some
Speaker 2: person in the podcast and say, hey, should night mess
Speaker 2: though with three hundred million? Four hundred million after not true? Right,
Speaker 2: but say if that is true, you call yourself a
Speaker 2: game or you call yourself on a podcast. You you
Speaker 2: wish me to a bench, try to press a bitch
Speaker 2: and tell them stuff about me. Right, But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you got to look at it
Speaker 2: like this, twenty years of their career, twenty years of
Speaker 2: their career trying to make money. I was spending a
Speaker 2: hundred times more than that I was spending twenty I
Speaker 2: was spending ten million in twenty minutes. These dudes in
Speaker 2: twenty years probably make fifty grand. So all this extra
Speaker 2: talking they talk on these shows, they're the weirdos. Back
Speaker 2: to the reality of the facts. Let's take this, let's
Speaker 2: take this time. Let's fix some things. Let's see we
Speaker 2: don't got to be funny and clown you know, now.
Speaker 1: Let's fix it, straighten it up for people. That's what
Speaker 1: I want to do.
Speaker 2: Now let's go to the part of this and reason
Speaker 2: why I brung up rain J. I got love for
Speaker 2: ray J. I don't care for what ray Jay say.
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the mother the day
Speaker 2: you know ray J say is lost. We need help.
Speaker 2: So let's not pick on ray J. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, how they go from ray Z being with
Speaker 2: him all the time, spending the night with him and
Speaker 2: never ever gets poened A coat of court. You got
Speaker 2: capricorn on the stands Now I got a forty five
Speaker 2: bullet into my skull and the doctor told me they
Speaker 2: can't remove because if the go another EDS, I'll be
Speaker 2: dead or vescible. But now a cook a cop say
Speaker 2: it's just a forty it's not a forty five. That's
Speaker 2: news to me. He probably knows less he heading out
Speaker 2: the guns. I don't know how you know more than
Speaker 2: what the doctor killed me. The man you do. Now
Speaker 2: back to the facts of the matter. When you look
Speaker 2: at the when I got shot, they blamed me for
Speaker 2: thirty years. It cost me my freedom, cost me mind
Speaker 2: cumpany in a way, it cost me my freedom again.
Speaker 2: This time if somebody hit me with an iron pipe
Speaker 2: and they got a video on it, I don't worry
Speaker 2: about it. They'll say nothing happened. It doesn't happen to
Speaker 2: these people. I can get shot seven times in one open,
Speaker 2: they got all on video, they could do a song
Speaker 2: about it. Do anything happens? Absolutely not. What she's gonna
Speaker 2: look at is were talking about Puffy situation. We're talking
Speaker 2: about Loud of the Vega situation. You talking about Tupac,
Speaker 2: you talking about me, you talk about Puffy, You tell
Speaker 2: my bad Boy, you tell about death. Bro, let's start there, Biggie,
Speaker 2: all of it and all of.
Speaker 1: The stories that have been told. What is a piece
Speaker 1: of the truth that nobody knows? Can you tell me
Speaker 1: one piece of truth? Then nobody knows about that whole era.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the truth that nobody knows. First
Speaker 2: of all, you gotta remember one thing. We always friends,
Speaker 2: number one. Yeah, Now that's very important. But we all
Speaker 2: needed each other. Yeah, because as a whole, we made
Speaker 2: the entry exciting. Yep, we made us work harder. Because
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if I was known
Speaker 2: for making superstars and dropping albums, Puffy was to make
Speaker 2: a single better than anyone. And you gotta get that
Speaker 2: to him, because this motherfucker I'm gonna take a single,
Speaker 2: we go off as Biggie or what else, and he
Speaker 2: gonna hop his ass to have mother fucking videos. He's
Speaker 2: gonna put that little, tight little suit on it and
Speaker 2: he's gonna pop it. Right. Yeah, I'm gonna make my
Speaker 2: artists as far and never ever being in video. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pop it. I'm not gonna do all
Speaker 2: it because it's about film. Gave all the stock in
Speaker 2: death Row and ask one of.
Speaker 1: Them, so, so where tell me? They tell me that?
Speaker 1: Tell me where it first goes wrong.
Speaker 2: I think it went wrong because of the people in
Speaker 2: the industry and not us. I called a meeting for
Speaker 2: all of us. I said, hey, and this is a
Speaker 2: meeting in my This is meeting in the prime of everything.
Speaker 2: I said, you know, they got six contributors. We don't
Speaker 2: got to say it disturbed by death bro. We don't
Speaker 2: got the serious and said disturbed by a bad boy
Speaker 2: or whoever. We don't gonna do none of that, right,
Speaker 2: I said, this is what we do.
Speaker 1: You didn't need them, You didn't need that. They were
Speaker 1: taking the money and you didn't need to give them
Speaker 1: that cut.
Speaker 2: Period, didn't need them. So so so I told everybody,
Speaker 2: I said, look all my artists, I'm giving them their
Speaker 2: own label. I gave Stoop, you're gonna have your own label.
Speaker 2: Park you got your own label. Dog for everybody having
Speaker 2: your own label.
Speaker 1: So in that in that meeting, what was the agreement?
Speaker 1: Why did why did it go wrong?
Speaker 2: So this is would happened? We all in this meeting,
Speaker 2: and I said, look, I don't got to do this
Speaker 2: by myself. It could be some we ship. So this
Speaker 2: is what we're gonna do. We control the industry because
Speaker 2: so then they have a hit song of breaking new
Speaker 2: artists then need to track. Why want of our producers?
Speaker 1: Yes, they needed all artists got.
Speaker 2: It and they needed they needed this, right. I think
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do is we're gonna have a distribution
Speaker 2: company and we're gonna call it a Lucky seven. The
Speaker 2: Lucky seven is gonna get all the talent and distriver
Speaker 2: our own ship. So Puffy raised his hand like he's
Speaker 2: in class. He said, cause I talked, I said, go ahead.
Speaker 2: He looked. He says, I'm not worried about the white
Speaker 2: people that we can see. I'm worried about the wolves
Speaker 2: gonna pull up on our on our front yard, and
Speaker 2: those pickup trucks and talking about burning um signs in
Speaker 2: the yard.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: He's worried about the white men coming up and pickup trucks,
Speaker 2: harassing us, telling them we can't do it. I said, well,
Speaker 2: you take your Martin Luther king as on out of
Speaker 2: here and have a dream. The wars who want to
Speaker 2: be like macaolm x and all I means necessary, Let's
Speaker 2: stay and talk.
Speaker 1: So that divided the coasts.
Speaker 2: That divided everything, and that turned everything to making Hill
Speaker 2: night to the industry most wanted. M hm.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let me fast forward a tiny bit. Now
Speaker 1: we get into the higher stake of there's weapons, there's hatred,
Speaker 1: there's people being murdered. It's getting out of control. I
Speaker 1: understand that that's where the bad blood starts. How does
Speaker 1: it elevate to the next levels, which are way more crazy?
Speaker 2: Is it over?
Speaker 1: Masters?
Speaker 2: Is it over? Girls?
Speaker 1: What is it over?
Speaker 2: They played every person against everyone, So it starts like this,
Speaker 2: the white men dead right when we had the biggest
Speaker 2: peace treaty on the West coast. I can't speak to
Speaker 2: anyone else. I'm born raised out here right on the
Speaker 2: West coast. We have one of the biggest peace treaties
Speaker 2: ever with all the different neighborhoods, the game members and
Speaker 2: everyone after Rodney King got his asked with the riots, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: the share especially the ones encountered. They will go in
Speaker 2: their own personal cars and drive up shoot that different
Speaker 2: game member as far as sometimes shoot a game member
Speaker 2: and how another game members neighborhood and that certain neighborhood
Speaker 2: would go back and do something to the other neighborhood
Speaker 2: they thought came and shot at him, but it was
Speaker 2: always the police. So now we has it in the industry.
Speaker 2: They pulled a lot of guys and you don't need
Speaker 2: to times people call me in the meet and say, hey,
Speaker 2: you make average like you say Puffy makes sing this,
Speaker 2: you make superstars. Now we can't say Biggie wasn't one
Speaker 2: of the best rappers you ever do it, but the
Speaker 2: did between Biggie and Tupac, Biggie was probably that were
Speaker 2: the best ever ever. Tystomc to rhyme.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, there's.
Speaker 2: Superstar in the industry ever because Biggy can go on
Speaker 2: stage and rap for an hour. Yeah, he's gonna be
Speaker 2: sweating because he wrapping his ass off. Tupac gonna come
Speaker 2: on the stage before we say.
Speaker 1: One word, everyone's gonna lose their shit.
Speaker 2: They're gonna lose they see. It's gonna be real pennies.
Speaker 1: On the mother for the stage, real pennies whole as.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't telling no plenty with peenis Prince the
Speaker 2: I'm talking about real.
Speaker 1: I'll still take them off to this day.
Speaker 2: Right, That's what up toubou.
Speaker 1: So that was that, right, Okay, So the people above, y'all,
Speaker 1: the white men you couldn't see, were getting their hands
Speaker 1: messy in it. And it sounds like there were street
Speaker 1: dynamics in gang things that were involved in it too.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't necessarily at It wasn't necessarily y'all at
Speaker 1: the forefront of it. It was a lot of other
Speaker 1: players that were making tensions rise.
Speaker 2: Well, you got maybe one thing. Let's also go back
Speaker 2: to you in facts, the cricket cops destroyed hip hop.
Speaker 2: So at first everybody was just using their homies. Come on,
Speaker 2: we're going on tour, we going to this club. So
Speaker 2: now you're gonna take your homies because you want them
Speaker 2: to eat, you want to get them a job, you
Speaker 2: want them to make some money. Right as you go
Speaker 2: up to the club. Drive to the club with just
Speaker 2: your homies, the police pulling you over, the cookie cops
Speaker 2: and they taking people to the gem. Right. So later
Speaker 2: on these same Criokiet cops come here and say, hey.
Speaker 1: Who are the crooked cops working for?
Speaker 2: At this point, well the cookeet Countain. Is this Reggie
Speaker 2: Wright Jr? On our side?
Speaker 1: No I know, But who Who's whose interests are they
Speaker 1: working for?
Speaker 2: They working for the interest of the money for themself.
Speaker 2: So this is how you got to look at it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So whoever is whoever's filling their pocket?
Speaker 2: Right? So now this is the thing, right, So once again,
Speaker 2: so now you got to cook the caps supposed to
Speaker 2: be the one carrying the gun towards making sure they
Speaker 2: down harass us that the police. I was smartest to
Speaker 2: say that a cop did with a cop. So you know,
Speaker 2: the homie going say, what's going on? You know? The
Speaker 2: police show us back and talk to the police. The
Speaker 2: only problem that became was I said this, and I
Speaker 2: gotta get this guy. I was wrong on one thing.
Speaker 2: Last time I spoke on something. I said, hey, Jean
Speaker 2: and Birkburg, who's reads his friends? Yeah, Jean said, no,
Speaker 2: it wasn't him. Jean said it was Paul who was
Speaker 2: head of security for Bad Boys, Right, Okay, yeah, when
Speaker 2: you go back and you when you go back and
Speaker 2: you check out boxes every time something happened, the Crookeet
Speaker 2: pops the cooker Caps in portrayed us like that, like
Speaker 2: the FBI infiltrated the black pants is back in the
Speaker 2: day cookie Caps and traded their hit coops.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I get what I get where you're going
Speaker 1: with this. Let me let me ask you something. Who
Speaker 1: wins when Puck and Biggie die? Who wins? Who had
Speaker 1: the biggest wins on those deaths?
Speaker 2: Let's tell you who wins. Well, the major Lutivities sales
Speaker 2: go to the roof the croocket Caps because they got
Speaker 2: paid to participate and make sure you go down. And
Speaker 2: then if you notice, when you when two of the
Speaker 2: most powerful artists.
Speaker 1: In the industry, people in the world, but all.
Speaker 2: The other artists all hire more security. Now you I
Speaker 2: don't care if this at this whoever, you can pick
Speaker 2: any ord as it is on the East coast, on
Speaker 2: the West coast, down south, midwest, whatever, Right, every time
Speaker 2: somebody get killed, if somebody gets shined, everybody hire more security.
Speaker 2: Every time somebody get killed, somebody gets shined, the majors
Speaker 2: make more money and they use that for excuse. So
Speaker 2: if you if you somebody say you little Lane, what
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Probably two of the bands really
Speaker 2: young of the out is NBA Young Boy and Tory Lane. Right,
Speaker 2: so say you those two guys. The minute you get
Speaker 2: in trouble, and they think you get in trouble, that
Speaker 2: give them a reason not to give you the big bag.
Speaker 2: They should get these guys a half of being in dollars.
Speaker 2: They Chiclo Dodo in their office and say, you know what,
Speaker 2: matter of fact, kids are being dollars. You deserve that.
Speaker 1: So everything is coming down to mass ownership and money.
Speaker 2: But you're missing the point. You got to understand something.
Speaker 1: What's the point I'm missing.
Speaker 2: The point you missing is is it's problems in the industry.
Speaker 2: Big got excuse not to give you guys getting the
Speaker 2: dollars because nobody want to deal with you guys because
Speaker 2: it's gonna be shooting, we're gonna be fighting, and it's
Speaker 2: gonna be arrested. But they said we're gonna do you
Speaker 2: a favorite and to use some small money where they
Speaker 2: should give these young guys being the dollars. Do you
Speaker 2: know much money they make for everything out of music?
Speaker 1: Okay, so no, I do, I do. So let me
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you this question when you
Speaker 1: go when you look at Ditty's trial, because these were
Speaker 1: a lot of people talking in the streets around the
Speaker 1: time all this started occurring. Is this person potentially and listen,
Speaker 1: all the things that are being testified to are being
Speaker 1: testified to. This is a real trial with real victims
Speaker 1: that are alleging things. However, I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 1: is there a bigger system at play that maybe wanted
Speaker 1: to take his power from him? Or is this just
Speaker 1: solely all based on his behavior alone in your opinion?
Speaker 2: No, it's well, the facts of it exist. They wanted
Speaker 2: to take his power from him. They could have been
Speaker 2: took his power. And you got to member one thing,
Speaker 2: you gotta look at my situation.
Speaker 1: Well, they did show they have I.
Speaker 2: Know, but I'm going to tell you this how it starts.
Speaker 2: I haven't did that one thing to have universal or
Speaker 2: in his scope for anyone else. Give my masters. I
Speaker 2: didn't do anything illegal or anything wrong, even when even
Speaker 2: when the Harriss lied and said they're ancing to do
Speaker 2: with my company that was proven. They didn't. They got nothing.
Speaker 2: They gave Melia Harris because my lawyer, who represented all
Speaker 2: the same people did shook the court one day. Now
Speaker 2: look at the make a picture of all the whole situations.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, they've been doing the step Puffy
Speaker 2: been doing. They told him, I'm gonna ask you a question.
Speaker 2: You incredible singer. You got a great voice, betting the
Speaker 2: most anyone. You beautiful woman, you can pants, you got rhythm,
Speaker 2: you got the voids, and you gained about your shit right.
Speaker 2: Why do you think they didn't let you to be
Speaker 2: the biggest artist that anyone could be.
Speaker 1: Because I stood up to Puff, I told people how
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: I didn't allow myself to be taken advantage of when
Speaker 3: they wanted me to fuck around and do the funny behavior,
Speaker 3: I said no, I left, I didn't participate, and.
Speaker 1: I was not system friendly. I never have been. In
Speaker 1: every single experience I've had after that, I'm always getting
Speaker 1: a bad hand because I just am not willing to
Speaker 1: play the game of the system. However, for some reason,
Speaker 1: they've been able to make me enough of a joke
Speaker 1: that I'm able to stay around and keep talking and
Speaker 1: saying what I have to say, which is truth. But
Speaker 1: because Puff fired me and said I was promiscuous, raunchy,
Speaker 1: bad for business on national television as a kid, the
Speaker 1: whole world kind of looks at me in a way
Speaker 1: where like, oh, we don't really take her seriously. That
Speaker 1: I kind of got away with staying in a lane
Speaker 1: that was comfortable enough to where I could still say
Speaker 1: what the fuck it is? But I'm not being killed
Speaker 1: over it because I don't really have as much power
Speaker 1: because they made sure that I never get as much
Speaker 1: power as it would take from my voice to really
Speaker 1: matter period.
Speaker 2: Now I feel bad for you, but I feel great
Speaker 2: for you because me too, because you steal who you are. Now,
Speaker 2: just what I want to say. Yeah, if they really
Speaker 2: were trying to get Puffy right, has anybody call him
Speaker 2: puppy on?
Speaker 3: Know?
Speaker 2: Why? Listen? Anybody was trying to get him right, the
Speaker 2: prosecution would have been sitting outside your resident would a
Speaker 2: sub penic if you understand right. They would have showed
Speaker 2: that he was this beautiful woman who have all the
Speaker 2: talent in the world, and they even blackness her right.
Speaker 2: So why do you think that in these women regard
Speaker 2: there was Cassie or or Capricorn or whoever, any of
Speaker 2: those motherfuckers. Right for the Asian girl, fifty cents, baby
Speaker 2: mama whatever. Right if they told the trip a triple
Speaker 2: Bob Puffy, they probably only to be able to get
Speaker 2: a McDonald's child because nobody in the industry will never
Speaker 2: hire them again. So basically, that's the power of racketeering.
Speaker 2: That's the power of controlling people with violence, our threats
Speaker 2: or money or distortion. They're not trying to get these
Speaker 2: this man because this man gave too much through the system.
Speaker 2: You had sixty seconds remaining, I'm gonna call you red back.