1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O Day covering the Diddy trial. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: You have a prepaid call from Sure. Let's call ANDREI 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: telephone number. We'll be monitored and recorded. Shure man, it's 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: good with you, top in the morning to you. 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: I miss you, baby. How are you? 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: Oh? You know, miss you baby. Every day's a blessing. 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: He's still taking over the world. I see. 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 3: Huh, you know, one little small step at a time. 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 3: But can I tell you I have missed your spirit 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: and energy for so long. I always watch your interviews 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 3: and I think people would trip out to hear us 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 3: talking and know to find out that we've known each 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 3: other for what is it decades now, I think since 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: the last time we hung out. 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be funny about it that I had 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: got you studio time because I had tracks and stuff 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: for you, but somebody got in the way of it. 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: You probably never knew that part, but I will tell 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: you that today. 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: I did not know. I swear I did not know 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: that part. 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: That you know. 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: That's kind of the story of being blacklisted, though you 24 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: know how that goes. Can I tell you one thing, Sugar, 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: There was this photo of us where you gave me 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 3: my first cigar, and me and you were smoking a 27 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 3: cigar at some event that we were at together, and 28 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: it's my one of my favorite photos of us, and 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 3: it got riped off the internet. I can't find it anywhere, 30 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: and I used to be able to just google it. 31 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: One of those people who probably don't like you probably 32 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: got rid of it somehow. 33 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. They don't want people knowing that. 34 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: They don't want people knowing that we're friends, that we 35 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: collaborate on ideas exactly. So, Sugar, I know you don't 36 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: have a ton of time, so I want to first 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: get started with my like the number one dying question 38 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 3: I have for you, which is historically you and Puff 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: have had decades of bad blood and so seeing interview 40 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: after interview lately where you're basically kind of saying things 41 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: like Puff isn't guilty for the things he did to 42 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: those people, that he didn't invent abuse industry tactics Salon, which, 43 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: by the way, I do agree with you on that 44 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: this is a systematic issue and way more people need 45 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: to be being discussed. However, doesn't you saying that those 46 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 3: statements in general kind of validate that Puff is doing 47 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: that behavior and that he is guilty of it. 48 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: So I never said that I don't believe he not 49 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: doing anything wrong. What I said was this, I mean, 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: I love the coach of hip hop. I love the 51 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: coach of our people. Right, Yes, it was all said 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: and done. I said they should be smart about it 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: because you know, my belief is that I feel, like 54 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: I always felt, I felt that he's real comfortable with 55 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 2: the authorities, maybe the FBI informant or something. Right, Yeah, 56 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: So I said at this time that they're not really 57 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: gonna smack him like they're another with smacking anyone else, 58 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: because you got to look at the pattern. But it's 59 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: the same guy. That one thing for certain, one thing 60 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: for sure. When I started my company, when I started 61 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: death Row, nobody started death row button me. When I 62 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: decided to start death Row, I came with the name 63 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: my Little homy hit Doll Rest in Peace to the 64 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: logo Everything's done blew me. And then as time went on, 65 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: people try to get recognition or try to get out 66 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: of prison, and he got out of prison by saying 67 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: and they have affiliated with me, were alive, right, Yeah, 68 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, buff really had drug money 69 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: invold in this shit, that's the past, right, But at 70 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: the same time, he got him a parting. 71 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a lot of people moving in the 72 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: streets for him. He had a bunch of people right, right. 73 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to say is you take now, 74 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: sure enough, I'm from Tamping, I'm with all that, and 75 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: I claim everything about what God made me. I am right, 76 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: but don't lie on me. So when I said that, 77 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: he's probably not gonna smack him that bad because of 78 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: his affiliations with law enforcements. So then when I was 79 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: trying to save this and I still stand up on me, 80 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: it's so much more we can do for the generations 81 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: behind us. Yes, what I mean by that, it's like 82 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: make make him you understand and tell his truth. He 83 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: should one of humanized himself and help others. Make all 84 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: the other people who were definitely involved. 85 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: Why was I just gonna I was going to jump 86 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: to Capricorn, Like everybody was talking about Capricorn's testimony, and 87 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: on my podcast, I said, I was a bit disappointed 88 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: that she didn't go all the way there because if 89 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: you were around in the industry, you know what she 90 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: endured and who and how she got the money to 91 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: go away and they didn't talk about it on the stand. 92 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: You mean to tell me that he gonna bring Capricorn, 93 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: Puffy and one of the ghouls and me women to 94 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: make Capricorn take the money, not like saying you are 95 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: a choice. 96 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: Can I ask you something on that? When I heard 97 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: in the testimony that she had come from death Row 98 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: and then was brought over to bad Boy and how 99 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: they kind of initiated her into that family. I had 100 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: never known that she had come from death row? What 101 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: was that extreme of an initiation for? Like, what what 102 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: did they think she was gonna do? Come report back? 103 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: I mean, what what was that? Did that elevate the 104 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: beef between you guys? 105 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: First of all, let's get it straight. Me personally, he 106 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: wasn't important enough to be my enemy. I never had 107 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: nothing against Puff like that, you know what I mean? 108 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: And we know it can be beef because you ain't 109 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: never one thing about me. You're gonna see me everywhere 110 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: you go on the West Coast. You're gonna see me 111 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: in the ghetto, You're gonna see in somebody's project. You 112 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: gonna see me at every restaurre, every club, every beach, everywhere. 113 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: So it's nothing separating him or anyone else get at 114 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: me but ad And at the same time, even when 115 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: even when I did get shot, I still can't do 116 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: one way. So and I got shot more than us. 117 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: But when it comes to Capricorn, you gotta look at 118 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: it like this, the high for a position. We all 119 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: know what her position was. Right now when you settle, 120 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: there's no taxes. Yeah, but they know the truth because 121 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: you tell them about the government. You talk about the FBI. 122 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: You know how powerful United States is the United States government? 123 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: It's like Trump. You see how fast Trump can get 124 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: seven hundred troopils or whoever he won marine down there 125 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: in downtown and look what area because he's a president 126 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: of the United States. 127 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: I guess I always viewed puff as being one of 128 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: the untouchables, But all of a sudden he's touchable, Which 129 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: makes me wonder who else is a sole inventor of 130 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: this type of behavior you were around? Who are the names? 131 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: Can you start helping make some change? Give me names? 132 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: Okay, this is how you gotta look at It's not 133 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: the fact that people's untouchable or not untouchable. Right now, 134 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: they can snatch your happiness if you let them patrol you. 135 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: But if you following God, can nobody snatch your happiness. 136 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: I've been in prison ten and a half years. They 137 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: ain't had a bad deal yet, right, that's only because 138 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: of God, and I got good people, you know on 139 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: the streets. Right. But this is the thing. Let's get 140 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: to the facts. That's about rebuilding the industry. If we 141 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: really care about the culture of hip hop and where 142 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: should go. Let's get the truth. Let's put these people 143 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 2: on the stand. 144 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: Tell me some of the truth. Should tell me who 145 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: should take the stand. 146 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: They shouldn't let Capricorn walk the way they let her walk, 147 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: because if you look at it, if you look at Capricorn, 148 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: you're going to be said, okay, okay, kat you trying 149 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: to tell me. I'm not saying it's not true. Puffy 150 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: threatened you and you didn't tell me. What type of 151 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: bitch is you? They know who at the players are. 152 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: Get all those people on the stand, let them tell 153 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: their truth and work out some type of deal. 154 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: Somebody has to start naming them. They're not gonna take 155 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: the stand themselves. 156 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: Oh no, but you don't. But they can name them. 157 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: First of all. You gotta look at it like this, 158 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: just the United States, just the government you think those 159 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: da that worked for the FBI work in the United 160 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: States of America. They don't have the resources, they don't 161 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: have to knowledge not to get it done. They listening 162 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: to us right now as we speak. They probably watching me, 163 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: and they probably can tell you. I'm shut certain as 164 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: right now. See how many times I've been working out. 165 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: So this is the United States of America, powerful people, right, 166 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: So start like this. Every person around them has been corrupted. 167 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what I know, and I'm gonna 168 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: ask you what you know even if you take and 169 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: I ain't picking on reg Jie, I think they should 170 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: look out for rage. 171 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: I asked Raj at the end of last year, was 172 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: he a part of any of it? And he told 173 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: me no. 174 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: So you're trying to say you never seen Puffy and 175 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: ray J together your like your whole career. 176 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: I saw them together a lot now, you. 177 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: Know as well as I know. When you've seen ray 178 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: J with Puffy? Was he acting like Brandy's little brother? 179 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 2: Was he being Raj? Or was he being one of 180 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: Puppy's people? You tell me? Did I tell you what 181 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: I know? 182 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: I think everybody around Diddy knows that Diddy is the one, 183 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: it's in charge. 184 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's a whole bunch of suck. It 185 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: ain't what else going on. But look, I'm gonna tell 186 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: you like this, and I'm gonna take up for ray 187 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: Jae because Ray Jae is going through a lot. 188 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: Because didn't he spend it on you a bit and 189 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: say you were doing it? 190 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: One thing, I've never got a dressing proved. One I'm black. Two, 191 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: I'm a man, Three am a man of God. And 192 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: four love me in the world. Everybody knows. Yeah, everybody 193 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: know what I do. And I do love you. You 194 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: got all the juice in the world. But at the 195 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: same time, I'm a man. I'm a man that loves 196 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: beautiful women, right, I do know. 197 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: I know that I've seen you through the years. 198 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna put my penis in a woman. 199 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: But I'm not even nicking on a woman. But so 200 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: if I ain't gonna if I ain't gonna put my 201 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: opinions in a woman, but what makes you think I'm 202 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: gonna put my opinions in a man's ass? 203 00:09:59,559 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 204 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: So in regards to Tupac's shooting, you were in the car. 205 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: We all know that Keithy came forward and said that 206 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: Puff offered a million bucks to take him out. We 207 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: know that Zip is gone. They can't maybe trace the money, 208 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: I guess, is what's going on in that situation? And 209 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: Keethy was in the backseat? And is all that true? 210 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: Okay, Before I can get to that part, you see, 211 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: they don't got KVD at Puppy's trial over. 212 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: Stead, Why when Keithy d got taken in, I was 213 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: expecting that charge to come up in the indictment in 214 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: all honesty. 215 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: No, well, okay, so look, let's let's break it down. 216 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: Let me let me walk you through it. Okay. Now, 217 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: first of all, Puff is from New York. He come 218 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: on the West Coast. People pretty much figured that. You know, 219 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: they think they called New York the Red Apple, but 220 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: in reality, the West Coast is the Red Apple. So 221 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: the red apples already in somebody's hands taking a big 222 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: bite off that apple. Have no choice but to day 223 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: with the lady and the devil in the blue dress, 224 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: you know. So Puff goes to recruit the people who 225 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: wear blue. Now it's a guy named James who moved 226 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: to my neighborhood, like in nineteen eighty two. He started 227 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: living in kepd's neighborhood, his baby mother and wife there, 228 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: his best friends with gpd's wife or baby mama or 229 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: whatever this case may be. I'm not all in the 230 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: politics of that. WHOHI he personally heard, he personally seen 231 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: Jane Jamee's personally seen Puffy talking to KD them in 232 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: their neighborhood about putting money on Tupac and on me. 233 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: That's one thing, right, Why was his hatred so deep 234 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: for you in Park? 235 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: Well, I think it started with Tupac first. 236 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: There's rumors out there that they were there was potentially 237 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: more than a friendship between them. 238 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: Is that true between Pokin Diddy? Was there anything going 239 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: on their relationship wise? 240 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you like this, I had to be 241 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: with if I wasn't winning twenty four, twenty four hours 242 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 2: out the day. We talked all through the day, all 243 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: through the night. I ain't never seen PC talking about 244 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: messing with a man, want to mess with a man? 245 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: So the people that are saying that are capping. 246 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you gotta realize what game have them? 247 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: You got this? What you gotta realize. You got the 248 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: people who do something in life and did something in life, 249 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: and you got the people who never did them in life. 250 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, who go on podcasting gossip if you do. 251 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: Your well, you know, well that's a new that's a 252 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: new thing of the gossip because you don't get some 253 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: person in the podcast and say, hey, should night mess 254 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: though with three hundred million? Four hundred million after not true? Right, 255 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: but say if that is true, you call yourself a 256 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: game or you call yourself on a podcast. You you 257 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: wish me to a bench, try to press a bitch 258 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 2: and tell them stuff about me. Right, But at the 259 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: end of the day, you got to look at it 260 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: like this, twenty years of their career, twenty years of 261 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: their career trying to make money. I was spending a 262 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: hundred times more than that I was spending twenty I 263 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: was spending ten million in twenty minutes. These dudes in 264 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: twenty years probably make fifty grand. So all this extra 265 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: talking they talk on these shows, they're the weirdos. Back 266 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: to the reality of the facts. Let's take this, let's 267 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: take this time. Let's fix some things. Let's see we 268 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: don't got to be funny and clown you know, now. 269 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: Let's fix it, straighten it up for people. That's what 270 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: I want to do. 271 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: Now let's go to the part of this and reason 272 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 2: why I brung up rain J. I got love for 273 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: ray J. I don't care for what ray Jay say. 274 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the mother the day 275 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: you know ray J say is lost. We need help. 276 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: So let's not pick on ray J. But at the 277 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: same time, how they go from ray Z being with 278 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: him all the time, spending the night with him and 279 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: never ever gets poened A coat of court. You got 280 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: capricorn on the stands Now I got a forty five 281 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: bullet into my skull and the doctor told me they 282 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: can't remove because if the go another EDS, I'll be 283 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: dead or vescible. But now a cook a cop say 284 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: it's just a forty it's not a forty five. That's 285 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: news to me. He probably knows less he heading out 286 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: the guns. I don't know how you know more than 287 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: what the doctor killed me. The man you do. Now 288 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: back to the facts of the matter. When you look 289 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: at the when I got shot, they blamed me for 290 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: thirty years. It cost me my freedom, cost me mind 291 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: cumpany in a way, it cost me my freedom again. 292 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: This time if somebody hit me with an iron pipe 293 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: and they got a video on it, I don't worry 294 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: about it. They'll say nothing happened. It doesn't happen to 295 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: these people. I can get shot seven times in one open, 296 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: they got all on video, they could do a song 297 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: about it. Do anything happens? Absolutely not. What she's gonna 298 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: look at is were talking about Puffy situation. We're talking 299 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: about Loud of the Vega situation. You talking about Tupac, 300 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: you talking about me, you talk about Puffy, You tell 301 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: my bad Boy, you tell about death. Bro, let's start there, Biggie, 302 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: all of it and all of. 303 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: The stories that have been told. What is a piece 304 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: of the truth that nobody knows? Can you tell me 305 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: one piece of truth? Then nobody knows about that whole era. 306 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the truth that nobody knows. First 307 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: of all, you gotta remember one thing. We always friends, 308 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: number one. Yeah, Now that's very important. But we all 309 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: needed each other. Yeah, because as a whole, we made 310 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: the entry exciting. Yep, we made us work harder. Because 311 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if I was known 312 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: for making superstars and dropping albums, Puffy was to make 313 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: a single better than anyone. And you gotta get that 314 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: to him, because this motherfucker I'm gonna take a single, 315 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: we go off as Biggie or what else, and he 316 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: gonna hop his ass to have mother fucking videos. He's 317 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: gonna put that little, tight little suit on it and 318 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: he's gonna pop it. Right. Yeah, I'm gonna make my 319 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: artists as far and never ever being in video. I'm not. 320 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pop it. I'm not gonna do all 321 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: it because it's about film. Gave all the stock in 322 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: death Row and ask one of. 323 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: Them, so, so where tell me? They tell me that? 324 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: Tell me where it first goes wrong. 325 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: I think it went wrong because of the people in 326 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: the industry and not us. I called a meeting for 327 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: all of us. I said, hey, and this is a 328 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: meeting in my This is meeting in the prime of everything. 329 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: I said, you know, they got six contributors. We don't 330 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: got to say it disturbed by death bro. We don't 331 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: got the serious and said disturbed by a bad boy 332 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: or whoever. We don't gonna do none of that, right, 333 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: I said, this is what we do. 334 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: You didn't need them, You didn't need that. They were 335 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: taking the money and you didn't need to give them 336 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: that cut. 337 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: Period, didn't need them. So so so I told everybody, 338 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: I said, look all my artists, I'm giving them their 339 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: own label. I gave Stoop, you're gonna have your own label. 340 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: Park you got your own label. Dog for everybody having 341 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: your own label. 342 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: So in that in that meeting, what was the agreement? 343 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: Why did why did it go wrong? 344 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: So this is would happened? We all in this meeting, 345 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 2: and I said, look, I don't got to do this 346 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: by myself. It could be some we ship. So this 347 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: is what we're gonna do. We control the industry because 348 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: so then they have a hit song of breaking new 349 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: artists then need to track. Why want of our producers? 350 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: Yes, they needed all artists got. 351 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: It and they needed they needed this, right. I think 352 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: what we're gonna do is we're gonna have a distribution 353 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: company and we're gonna call it a Lucky seven. The 354 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: Lucky seven is gonna get all the talent and distriver 355 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: our own ship. So Puffy raised his hand like he's 356 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: in class. He said, cause I talked, I said, go ahead. 357 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: He looked. He says, I'm not worried about the white 358 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: people that we can see. I'm worried about the wolves 359 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: gonna pull up on our on our front yard, and 360 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: those pickup trucks and talking about burning um signs in 361 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: the yard. 362 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 363 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: He's worried about the white men coming up and pickup trucks, 364 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: harassing us, telling them we can't do it. I said, well, 365 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: you take your Martin Luther king as on out of 366 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: here and have a dream. The wars who want to 367 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 2: be like macaolm x and all I means necessary, Let's 368 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: stay and talk. 369 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: So that divided the coasts. 370 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: That divided everything, and that turned everything to making Hill 371 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: night to the industry most wanted. M hm. 372 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: Okay, So let me fast forward a tiny bit. Now 373 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: we get into the higher stake of there's weapons, there's hatred, 374 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: there's people being murdered. It's getting out of control. I 375 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,239 Speaker 1: understand that that's where the bad blood starts. How does 376 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: it elevate to the next levels, which are way more crazy? 377 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: Is it over? 378 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: Masters? 379 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: Is it over? Girls? 380 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: What is it over? 381 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: They played every person against everyone, So it starts like this, 382 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: the white men dead right when we had the biggest 383 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: peace treaty on the West coast. I can't speak to 384 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: anyone else. I'm born raised out here right on the 385 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: West coast. We have one of the biggest peace treaties 386 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: ever with all the different neighborhoods, the game members and 387 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: everyone after Rodney King got his asked with the riots, right, yeah, 388 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: the share especially the ones encountered. They will go in 389 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 2: their own personal cars and drive up shoot that different 390 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: game member as far as sometimes shoot a game member 391 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: and how another game members neighborhood and that certain neighborhood 392 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: would go back and do something to the other neighborhood 393 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 2: they thought came and shot at him, but it was 394 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 2: always the police. So now we has it in the industry. 395 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: They pulled a lot of guys and you don't need 396 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 2: to times people call me in the meet and say, hey, 397 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: you make average like you say Puffy makes sing this, 398 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 2: you make superstars. Now we can't say Biggie wasn't one 399 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: of the best rappers you ever do it, but the 400 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: did between Biggie and Tupac, Biggie was probably that were 401 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 2: the best ever ever. Tystomc to rhyme. 402 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, there's. 403 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: Superstar in the industry ever because Biggy can go on 404 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: stage and rap for an hour. Yeah, he's gonna be 405 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: sweating because he wrapping his ass off. Tupac gonna come 406 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: on the stage before we say. 407 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: One word, everyone's gonna lose their shit. 408 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 2: They're gonna lose they see. It's gonna be real pennies. 409 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: On the mother for the stage, real pennies whole as. 410 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't telling no plenty with peenis Prince the 411 00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: I'm talking about real. 412 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: I'll still take them off to this day. 413 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: Right, That's what up toubou. 414 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: So that was that, right, Okay, So the people above, y'all, 415 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: the white men you couldn't see, were getting their hands 416 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: messy in it. And it sounds like there were street 417 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: dynamics in gang things that were involved in it too. 418 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: But it wasn't necessarily at It wasn't necessarily y'all at 419 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: the forefront of it. It was a lot of other 420 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: players that were making tensions rise. 421 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: Well, you got maybe one thing. Let's also go back 422 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: to you in facts, the cricket cops destroyed hip hop. 423 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: So at first everybody was just using their homies. Come on, 424 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: we're going on tour, we going to this club. So 425 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: now you're gonna take your homies because you want them 426 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: to eat, you want to get them a job, you 427 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: want them to make some money. Right as you go 428 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: up to the club. Drive to the club with just 429 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: your homies, the police pulling you over, the cookie cops 430 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: and they taking people to the gem. Right. So later 431 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: on these same Criokiet cops come here and say, hey. 432 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Who are the crooked cops working for? 433 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: At this point, well the cookeet Countain. Is this Reggie 434 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: Wright Jr? On our side? 435 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: No I know, But who Who's whose interests are they 436 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: working for? 437 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: They working for the interest of the money for themself. 438 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: So this is how you got to look at it. 439 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So whoever is whoever's filling their pocket? 440 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: Right? So now this is the thing, right, So once again, 441 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: so now you got to cook the caps supposed to 442 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: be the one carrying the gun towards making sure they 443 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: down harass us that the police. I was smartest to 444 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: say that a cop did with a cop. So you know, 445 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: the homie going say, what's going on? You know? The 446 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: police show us back and talk to the police. The 447 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: only problem that became was I said this, and I 448 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 2: gotta get this guy. I was wrong on one thing. 449 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: Last time I spoke on something. I said, hey, Jean 450 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 2: and Birkburg, who's reads his friends? Yeah, Jean said, no, 451 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: it wasn't him. Jean said it was Paul who was 452 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: head of security for Bad Boys, Right, Okay, yeah, when 453 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: you go back and you when you go back and 454 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 2: you check out boxes every time something happened, the Crookeet 455 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: pops the cooker Caps in portrayed us like that, like 456 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: the FBI infiltrated the black pants is back in the 457 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: day cookie Caps and traded their hit coops. 458 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I get what I get where you're going 459 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: with this. Let me let me ask you something. Who 460 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: wins when Puck and Biggie die? Who wins? Who had 461 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: the biggest wins on those deaths? 462 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: Let's tell you who wins. Well, the major Lutivities sales 463 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: go to the roof the croocket Caps because they got 464 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: paid to participate and make sure you go down. And 465 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: then if you notice, when you when two of the 466 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 2: most powerful artists. 467 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: In the industry, people in the world, but all. 468 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 2: The other artists all hire more security. Now you I 469 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: don't care if this at this whoever, you can pick 470 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: any ord as it is on the East coast, on 471 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 2: the West coast, down south, midwest, whatever, Right, every time 472 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: somebody get killed, if somebody gets shined, everybody hire more security. 473 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: Every time somebody get killed, somebody gets shined, the majors 474 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: make more money and they use that for excuse. So 475 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: if you if you somebody say you little Lane, what 476 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Probably two of the bands really 477 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: young of the out is NBA Young Boy and Tory Lane. Right, 478 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: so say you those two guys. The minute you get 479 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: in trouble, and they think you get in trouble, that 480 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: give them a reason not to give you the big bag. 481 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: They should get these guys a half of being in dollars. 482 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: They Chiclo Dodo in their office and say, you know what, 483 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: matter of fact, kids are being dollars. You deserve that. 484 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: So everything is coming down to mass ownership and money. 485 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: But you're missing the point. You got to understand something. 486 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: What's the point I'm missing. 487 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: The point you missing is is it's problems in the industry. 488 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: Big got excuse not to give you guys getting the 489 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: dollars because nobody want to deal with you guys because 490 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: it's gonna be shooting, we're gonna be fighting, and it's 491 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: gonna be arrested. But they said we're gonna do you 492 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: a favorite and to use some small money where they 493 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 2: should give these young guys being the dollars. Do you 494 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: know much money they make for everything out of music? 495 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so no, I do, I do. So let me 496 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: let me let me ask you this question when you 497 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: go when you look at Ditty's trial, because these were 498 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people talking in the streets around the 499 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: time all this started occurring. Is this person potentially and listen, 500 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: all the things that are being testified to are being 501 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: testified to. This is a real trial with real victims 502 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: that are alleging things. However, I wanted to ask you, 503 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: is there a bigger system at play that maybe wanted 504 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: to take his power from him? Or is this just 505 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: solely all based on his behavior alone in your opinion? 506 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 2: No, it's well, the facts of it exist. They wanted 507 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: to take his power from him. They could have been 508 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: took his power. And you got to member one thing, 509 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: you gotta look at my situation. 510 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: Well, they did show they have I. 511 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: Know, but I'm going to tell you this how it starts. 512 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: I haven't did that one thing to have universal or 513 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: in his scope for anyone else. Give my masters. I 514 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: didn't do anything illegal or anything wrong, even when even 515 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 2: when the Harriss lied and said they're ancing to do 516 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: with my company that was proven. They didn't. They got nothing. 517 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: They gave Melia Harris because my lawyer, who represented all 518 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: the same people did shook the court one day. Now 519 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: look at the make a picture of all the whole situations. 520 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, they've been doing the step Puffy 521 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: been doing. They told him, I'm gonna ask you a question. 522 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: You incredible singer. You got a great voice, betting the 523 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: most anyone. You beautiful woman, you can pants, you got rhythm, 524 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 2: you got the voids, and you gained about your shit right. 525 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: Why do you think they didn't let you to be 526 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: the biggest artist that anyone could be. 527 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: Because I stood up to Puff, I told people how 528 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: it was. 529 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 3: I didn't allow myself to be taken advantage of when 530 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 3: they wanted me to fuck around and do the funny behavior, 531 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: I said no, I left, I didn't participate, and. 532 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: I was not system friendly. I never have been. In 533 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: every single experience I've had after that, I'm always getting 534 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: a bad hand because I just am not willing to 535 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: play the game of the system. However, for some reason, 536 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: they've been able to make me enough of a joke 537 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: that I'm able to stay around and keep talking and 538 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: saying what I have to say, which is truth. But 539 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: because Puff fired me and said I was promiscuous, raunchy, 540 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: bad for business on national television as a kid, the 541 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: whole world kind of looks at me in a way 542 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: where like, oh, we don't really take her seriously. That 543 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: I kind of got away with staying in a lane 544 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: that was comfortable enough to where I could still say 545 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: what the fuck it is? But I'm not being killed 546 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: over it because I don't really have as much power 547 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: because they made sure that I never get as much 548 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: power as it would take from my voice to really 549 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: matter period. 550 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: Now I feel bad for you, but I feel great 551 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: for you because me too, because you steal who you are. Now, 552 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 2: just what I want to say. Yeah, if they really 553 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 2: were trying to get Puffy right, has anybody call him 554 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: puppy on? 555 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: Know? 556 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: Why? Listen? Anybody was trying to get him right, the 557 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: prosecution would have been sitting outside your resident would a 558 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: sub penic if you understand right. They would have showed 559 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: that he was this beautiful woman who have all the 560 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: talent in the world, and they even blackness her right. 561 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: So why do you think that in these women regard 562 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: there was Cassie or or Capricorn or whoever, any of 563 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: those motherfuckers. Right for the Asian girl, fifty cents, baby 564 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: mama whatever. Right if they told the trip a triple 565 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: Bob Puffy, they probably only to be able to get 566 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: a McDonald's child because nobody in the industry will never 567 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: hire them again. So basically, that's the power of racketeering. 568 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: That's the power of controlling people with violence, our threats 569 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: or money or distortion. They're not trying to get these 570 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: this man because this man gave too much through the system. 571 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: You had sixty seconds remaining, I'm gonna call you red back.