1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's going to have to be a run 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of golf from Led Shepherd, and it's an amazing what 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: pressure can do. It's amazing how momentum can work. And 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: if he can just start chipping away at that lead 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: MSTI eighteen holes to go, it's not impossible, but it's 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: virtually impossible. I think we all know that. But we 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: wish lead well, we wish both player as well. Of course, 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: put another log on the fire and nobody here is 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: given time. Welcome to the fire pit with Matt Janella. 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: If you're just joining us, we're about to tee off 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: on the first tea at Narn Golf Club in Scotland. 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: It's a Saturday afternoon in mid June. It's the finals 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: of the playing of the British Amateur Championship, in which 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: two underdogs who have both overcome adversity and physical issues 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: getting here, are about to finish things off. Monty Scousel, 16 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: who made six birdies in the morning, is seven up 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: on Laired Shepherd, who didn't make any birdies and didn't 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: win his first hole of the day until the last 19 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: hole of the morning round, which made for a somber sandwich. 20 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: In Part one of this podcast, you get the backstory 21 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: and why it's so remarkable. They're both playing golf at 22 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: a competitive level. I had about five six shots. It 23 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: was very very cold, obviously January and St Andrew's but 24 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: five six shots and just chopped my club about fifty 25 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: yards and some rough and walked back to my car 26 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: um And I was pretty upset. You know. I just 27 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: said to my girlfriend, I'm not very good at anything else. 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: So it's kind of scary thinking he spent five years, 29 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: five six years your life pursuing something ultimately turns out 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: essentially not to be. In part two of this podcast, 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: it's the first eighteen holes of this match, in which 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: Money and Laird, who have been friends for years, are 33 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: embarking on a journey that win or lose, it could 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: alter the course of their lives forever. So I was 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: so nurus. I actually I went to my went to 36 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: my bag about one o'clock in the morning, flicked on 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: the light, started chipping around around my bedroom just to 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: make sure I could still chip. You know. It was 39 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: just it was bizarre and I couldn't believe it. Eighteen 40 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: holes in it was Monty Scouse seven up as they 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: took a break for lunch. Low on sleep and both 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: barely able to eat, they try to reset for the 43 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: war of attrition that is the Amateur Championship. They're about 44 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: to play their ninth competitive round in five days. We 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: start with Monty's dad, Jeremy Scousel, who has carried his 46 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: son's bag all week. He seemed to have a good 47 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: strategy for how Monty again seven up, could get the 48 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: victory and all that goes with that title. Well, mine 49 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: set actually start again and actually say we want to 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: win this. We want to win this match again. So 51 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: we looked to forget about everything that happened in the morning. Um, 52 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: start afresh. You know, we're level par uh and And 53 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: I suppose the thinking was that if we did that 54 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: and we played good Girl for again in the afternoon, 55 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: and then the chances are that at some stage we 56 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: would we get over the line. Meanwhile, Laird Shepherd is 57 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: finding some motivation in what he was hearing from the gallery. Yeah, 58 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: first hole, I hit my drive a little bit right, 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: and someone behind the tea decided to start screaming forward 60 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: despite the fact it's not heading towards anyone. That annoyed 61 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: me a little bit. And I tend to play a 62 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: bit better if I'm a bit annoyage. So I've actually 63 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: asked my caddy as well to get me a big 64 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: black coffee. Um, but we usually would drink if I'm 65 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: playing golf, because you get a bit jittery. And then 66 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, do you want a coffee? And 67 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, why not because he was so relaxed, 68 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: like because it's over. And so he had a coffee 69 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: and we're walking, we're playing. The first time, I'm carrying 70 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: his coffee when he set his shots, and that I 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: played solide the first few holes. I knew I needed 72 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: to go off to a hot start, didn't get it, 73 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: and thought, well, oh well, let's just keep grinding away, 74 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: maybe within a few holes and reduced to death sit 75 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. And he pointed the first few holes pretty good, 76 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: just didn't get any I had a couple of chances, 77 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: just didn't manage to get it. And we got to 78 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: the fifth hole and that's when I changed in the morning. 79 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: So actually quite strange that because that's when it went 80 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: downhill in the morning, and then in the afternoon decided 81 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: to driver there and he hit bomb drive just in 82 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: the greenside bunker and that's just when I all changed. 83 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: He hit the bunker shot close, managed to wow his 84 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: first part really over around or the day ended up 85 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: having a bit of change of strategy. On the fifth hole, 86 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: I ended up nearly knocking on the green making a birdie, um, 87 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: and you know, it just ends up picking up holes 88 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: here and there after that. I think on the eighth 89 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: I made birdie to win a hole to get back 90 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: to five down um, and then hold a nice twor 91 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: nine to get back to four. And I said to 92 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: my Caddy after, I was like, I wish I hadn't 93 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: had that coffee now because I starting to feel a 94 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: bit the nerves again. I needed the bit of nerves, 95 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: but it's a bit of jittery as well because I 96 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: had all the caffeine and I hadn't been able to 97 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: eat that much just because I was so nervous that 98 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: it just you know, gone straight to me. So I 99 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: was a bit shaky, and what have I done? This 100 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: is when the coffee comes in. He's like, I've got 101 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: the jitters, like coffee jays. I was like, oh no, 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: And then he hold apart and I was like, well 103 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: maybe that's fair. Then that's like maybe it works. Meanwhile, 104 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: maybe it was Monty who might have needed a coffee. 105 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: I think I could sit here and say, you know, 106 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about how many holes are left. I 107 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: was doing all the calculations on every hole, you know. 108 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm six up, twelve to play 109 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: or whatever, thirteen to play, you know, keep halfing holes, 110 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: keep trying to win the alcohole. But that that was 111 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: difficult to do because LEDs started playing a lot better, 112 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: and my game I didn't hit them ma any fairways. 113 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: In the afternoon, I got out of position a bit, 114 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: and suddenly, rather than being on the front foot in 115 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: the morning making birdies, I was sort of, you know, 116 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: scrambling for parts a bit more. And that's that's a 117 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: difficult when you're out there and things aren't quite going 118 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: your way. As every golfer knows that feeling, it's sometimes 119 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: very difficult to turn it around. Coffee wasn't the only 120 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: thing Shepard was inadvertently experimenting with. You know, when you 121 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: look back, and it is crazy that you do some 122 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: things when when you're completely you think you completely out 123 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: of it, and you know you end up doing things 124 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: you'd never usually do. In the biggest day of your life. 125 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, my my girlfriends have a go at me 126 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: because I've put on brand new gold shoes for the 127 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: final and she was like, what are you doing. That's crazy. 128 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna be hearing your beast squeaking about your brand 129 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: new shoes. I was like, oh, sure, you imagine you 130 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: get blusters as well. I was like, as I, we 131 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: need to put a pair of shoes in the back. 132 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: I didn't do it, but like a gase, they were 133 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: given up blusters on the way right, all right, back 134 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: to the action. Stuart Shepherd, Laird's dad reflects on the 135 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: front nine we needed to win one or two of 136 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: the first few holes. Didn't didn't happen. Um, So at 137 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: that point I'm thinking it's really just damaged limitation exercise. 138 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: But as you said, he wins five and then he 139 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: wins can remember eight and nine to get it to four. 140 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: I think, okay, he's now got the momentum, the big 141 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: game word and didn't you know fourward nine, that's that's 142 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: certainly kind of more realistic than doable. Yeah, at that point, 143 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: four down after after nine in the afternoon, it is 144 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: it is looking challenging, but you know, at least we've 145 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: got some back, and like Lyard said, he just wanted 146 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: it to be respectable, not you know, he was more 147 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: thinking he just didn't want to be beaten by the 148 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: biggest margin and history. So m and the end up 149 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: having a good part to then win another hole and 150 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: ten and just missed out and then a bad teasht 151 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: on eleven and plugged it in the front Banker and 152 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: I just thought, well, this really isn't what I need 153 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: to be doing right now. So I lost that hole 154 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: and then you're back five down with with six seven 155 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: to play. I think it was, which is not a 156 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: really a great position to be in. There. He made 157 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: bogie there and Money won the whole back. She's no. 158 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Five down was showing and I mean, that's just again, 159 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: that's almost back to being seven down on the first 160 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: tyear like well, although I wasn't even thinking that it 161 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: wasn't possible. And then when when he lost, I think 162 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: he left the past through eleventh. I think it was 163 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: to go back to five. Well, that that is the 164 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: hope has gone. It's back to damage limitation. And in 165 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: terms of a point where you start thinking it's not 166 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: looking possible anymore. For me, that was he could I 167 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: thought he couldn't afford to lose that one. Um, you know, 168 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: he worked so hard to get it back to four 169 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: and then to just lose one straightway back to to 170 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: go back to five down, and like you say, with 171 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: the sun running out of the timer. That's remember saying 172 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: to my sister and she's she's not a golfer, and 173 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: she said something like, oh, you can still do it, 174 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: and I just, I think I literally said, he's just 175 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: running out of holes. So it led one the ninth 176 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: to take it to four four down with with nine 177 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: to play, and I you know, obviously knew it was 178 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: far from over at that point, but I I'm we 179 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: half the tenth and I won the eleventh to go 180 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: to five up with seven to play, and that really 181 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: calmed me down. That was time when I felt because 182 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: clearly things a little bit on the slide, but I 183 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: thought if we could get when we got that one back, 184 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: I felt that was that was really quite important. You know, 185 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: you managed to get that one back because at then 186 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: Advance sort of took the momentum was with Laird at 187 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: that time, and as you know, match play can be 188 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: very easily a game of momentum. Laird Shepherd had lost 189 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: the eleventh all, but he came right back and won 190 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: the twelve. We're back to Monty for his commentary and 191 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: the very tough twelve hold I think probably the toughest 192 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: on the course. He won that one with a great 193 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: part put um to go back to four um. So 194 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: even though four down six to play, he's probably still thinking, 195 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's not gonna be my day. But those 196 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: those those that stretching um, that sort of closing stretch, 197 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: and then it is brilliant for match play because you know, 198 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: there's a drivable path four, there's a really long path three, 199 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: there's a part five in there. There's a couple of 200 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: birdie chances if you get your drive away. So it's 201 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: a brilliant stretch for for what you know, proved to 202 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: be a good, good end to the final if you're 203 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: if you're a needtral viewer, the twelve was probably the 204 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: way it was playing, probably the hardest sol on the course. 205 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: We hold a good part for par there so I 206 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: might actually get the whole bat straight away, which was 207 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: massive to get that back, do you know what. I 208 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: think probably one of the keys for me was the 209 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: twelve in the afternoon, because by that stage he'd got 210 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: down to I think it was at five down. Shepherd 211 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: had a really good part at twelve, and I got 212 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: it back to four down with six to play. Now 213 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: that's still heavy odds against. He's not going to do it, 214 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: is he. But suddenly you've got a little sniff of 215 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: a chance. So I think at twelve we all kind 216 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: of looked at each other and said, hey, four down, 217 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: six to play. You can feel the momentum just changing 218 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: a little bit and it becomes possible. Still unlikely, but possible. 219 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: I think the crowd of I mean, just because I 220 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: didn't want to see someone get beaten really badly, and 221 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: I had a little Scottish fag on my my bag 222 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: from an event I played in the States. Actually I 223 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: think that maybe got me some there some some fans 224 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: as well. But I think I managed to recruit all 225 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: the Narrow Lady members as large Shepherd supporters on my 226 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: way around because they all they all asked, so who 227 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: are you and I said, oh, they're Shepherd's girlfriend, and 228 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, come on loud. And I think the 229 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: thing is everyone just loves a story, don't they. And everyone, 230 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: although obviously you know I feel from onto immensely. But 231 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: everyone I think loved the story of Lard coming back 232 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: because it was just so unbelievable. And you know, we 233 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: had people who I met and Suspectattion, just locals, you know, 234 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: saying well, it's practically Scottish with that name because he's 235 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: like Lard Shepherd, you know. And I shaved that to 236 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: LOI was like, everybody here wants you to win a 237 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: home and every how you're playing just to try and 238 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: get a game of it. Like they didn't want to 239 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: just go home and just be like, oh, well done 240 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: to to money, which they've probably were being happy with, 241 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: but everybody would want Layer too to fight back and 242 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: put up a good fight what he was doing to 243 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: even beat to get that score back to being if 244 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: he'd lost four and three, you've been like, well, well 245 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: done in the afternoon, like you played, you played well, 246 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: you managed to make a game with it. You know, 247 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: It's it's literally never over until it's over. I never 248 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: really thought after that that I was going to lose. 249 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: I never really thought about losing. I just thought I've 250 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: got to use the fact that I am so far 251 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: down to my advantage and just try and pile the 252 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: pressure on and you know, even at four down before 253 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: to play, I never thought, well, hey it's over. It 254 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: wasn't over, but it still wasn't looking good four forward 255 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: to play at that point. Yeah, you know it when 256 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: four holes on the truck is unusual. I guess you 257 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: could say, you know, how often do you see that 258 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: in match playing? Ryder Cups and things like? I don't 259 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: think you see that often people winning four holes on 260 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: the truck. And he was standing on the fifteenth tea 261 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: with his head against the team marker, like deflated, like thinking, 262 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is over an hour. I mean, 263 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: there's a picture that tells a story. And I was 264 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: like Layer, I was like, you're you're still on the 265 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: tea here. It's had a good drive. You smashed one 266 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: right down the pen over the back of the green. 267 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: Monty didn't have a great drive. I can't imagine the 268 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: neres that we're going through Monty's body at that point really, 269 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: to be honest, I had a good drive on fifteen, 270 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: just over the back of the green. He y an 271 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: average drop drive and chipped up to about fifteen ft 272 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: and missed the part and I ended up getting up 273 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: and down. So when you're three down, the three to 274 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: play hit quality tea shot on sixteen and put the 275 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: pressure on and and Monty ends up pin in a 276 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: little bit right into some some bushes and having to 277 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: take a drop and end up. You know, Monty still 278 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: hold like for five there, so he made me work 279 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: to make my mask or four and a half five 280 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: for for for par and sixteen and sixteen it's kind 281 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: of a tough tea shot because the wind really picked 282 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: up and it was into off the left and for 283 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: me hitting a fade that's not a wind I like, 284 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: um and lead you know, stood up and in a 285 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: brilliant drive and I put a really good swing on 286 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: it as well. But as soon as I hit the ball, 287 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: the wind really gusted and just kept knocking it right. 288 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: Took a heavy bounce off the edge of the fail 289 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: into a gorse bush and um again, it didn't feel 290 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: like I gave that hole to him and made a 291 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: really good bogie from a pretty impossible position and he's 292 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: still had work to do for par and in fairness 293 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: to him, he made a good part. So that's that's 294 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: really when it all started to all the nerves. That's 295 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: when Lairds started to get really nervous. Again. It was 296 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: like yeah, because it's it's on again. I think you're 297 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: only two don't now two to go? And it's like 298 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: Jesus got a chance again. So seventeen is a pretty 299 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: short part. Four there there's a so a hazard the 300 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: runs before the green, so you can't take it on 301 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: the driver, but you just hit sort of three iron 302 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: down the fairway trying to keep it short, some some 303 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: fairway bunkers, and we both hit decent tea shots and 304 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: at that point probably it started to pick up the 305 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: windiest have been all day, and it was into the wind, 306 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: had hundred fifty seven yards to pen um and the 307 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: green all slopes right to left, so um, you know, 308 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: I actually ended up chipping a six iron in from 309 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: that distance, which is a lot of club and that 310 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: kind of shot can be quite difficult when you are 311 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: quite nervous, because you automatically want to go and hit 312 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: something hard just it's just easier to do under pressure. 313 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: But hey, again, just a quality, quality go off shot 314 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: at the right time. Can you put the pressure on 315 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: it upon it? Yes, he can into about five ft 316 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: and then you just stay he's thinking, oh my god, 317 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: what's going on? The shot he hit into seventeen was 318 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: one of my favorite shots he hit that day because 319 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: it was just so good, um, you know, to hit 320 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: that shot at that time, and I mean Monty made 321 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: a great up and down to put the pressure on 322 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: Laird as well, so equally, there were so many points 323 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: where mont who had a part to win or it 324 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: could have been over for a load, but he just 325 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: managed to keep it going somehow. I was still pretty 326 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: calm at this point, you know. Obviously I hoped I 327 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: would have closed is a match up by this point, 328 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: but at the same time, I just kept saying to myself, 329 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: just keep playing golf. Forget what's on the line, forget 330 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Just keep playing golf. Stick to your 331 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: game plan which has worked all week and it's going 332 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: to work again. Um. And I made a super part 333 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: down the hill and seventeen, well, Monty hold a great 334 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: part actually going down the hill and had a double 335 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: break in it, which we had a long time looking 336 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: at it, but he hold it and it did feel 337 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: like that was that that was a clutch punt he 338 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: had to make that. Really. He ended up making a 339 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: great up and down the end for his part and 340 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: left me with a slipperest of six ft to keep 341 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: it going, and um, I think I said, there's someone else, 342 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: But I think as humans, you work, you know you 343 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: we work best when we know exactly what we need 344 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: to do. Um, And on those last holes and knew 345 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: those that that part for example, I had on seventeen 346 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: keep the match going. You know, it's this needs to 347 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: go in the hole. It's not like a stroke player 348 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: where like it's nice that this goes and the whole 349 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: it needs to go in. And that sort of made 350 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: it easy for me just sort of had to know, 351 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: like you know, black out and just sort of go 352 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: through the routine and just go, you know, I've got 353 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: to hit a quarter part and this has got to 354 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: go in the hole and and end up hole on it. 355 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: And you know, becauld you think if that was someone 356 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: else and I was watching, I feel like, oh my god, 357 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, your hands must be shaken, And I think, 358 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: then send back to me that where your hands shaken 359 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: and you know where you struggling to sort of keep composure. 360 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: But I was very very calm on the outside. Um, 361 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, on the inside offs is very excited. But 362 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, I just had this sort of knowledge of 363 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: this needs to go in and that helped lot and 364 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: was lost. So the last song six holes that we 365 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: played that day, so still had to hold his body part. 366 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: And again it was a massive cheer, and you're walking 367 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: to the eighteenth t going like wow, how you managed 368 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: to get to st and still have a chance. It's 369 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: like crazy. I have to say that I probably think 370 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: walking to I was I was going to win the match, 371 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: just because you know that the sort of situation with 372 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: having a big lead and then being paid back to 373 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: going down the last hole and that T shirt is 374 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: a very difficult T shirt, especially if you're fighting a 375 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: bit of a right miss. And I managed to get 376 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: up and play. It was just in the rights of semi. 377 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: But it was fine. Once again we hear from Laird's 378 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: dead even going up to eighteen, I wasn't thinking about 379 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: and winning it. Um maybe I wasn't allowing myself to 380 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: think you could win it. I thought just that the 381 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: chance of the prospect. We've already produced the semi miracle 382 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: having got to the eighteen. So and then that was 383 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: weird because the Laird actually drove first and he hit 384 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: it and slightly right in the semi. It was fine. 385 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: His girlfriend Chloe came up always just hit it a tree. 386 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: I said, no, that's lead ball there, and she suddenly 387 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: goes and we all go because we didn't see it. 388 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: It's so far back, so well it must be Montes 389 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: hit the tree. So we suddenly thought, oh my god, 390 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: well you know, maybe just maybe we will get down 391 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: the gap down the thirty seventh. So yeah, she she 392 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: had looked complete terror look on her face and she 393 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: thought it lead hit the tree. And I panicked because 394 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: I thought that was lead hitting and I thought he 395 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: topped it off the tea like just one of those 396 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: crazy things. I thought, oh no, that's it, and like 397 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: it was panic it was. It was definitely bandics drive 398 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: up the right and it was nearly into the bushes. 399 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: Couldn't really tell how to ask the rest stilling and 400 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: playing rested. Yeah, and then Monty was taking a practice 401 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: rain and I don't know how he mused to do, 402 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: but he smashed his driver off the tea marker one 403 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: more time today. Well that's not going to do him 404 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: many favors. He's just just hit the sign. Hope that's 405 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: not done any damage. So he was kind of like laughing, 406 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: but you knew there wasn't like relapsed laugh if you 407 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean. No, it's another poor drive. I 408 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: think he's looking very anxiously after this one. What unexpected 409 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: drama and the final of the Don's Amateur Championship again 410 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: Jeremy Scout le Monties Dad and Caddy, and then we 411 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: have a slight incident on the t t which I'm 412 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: sure you're probably here saw. He was actually looking to 413 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: hit driver into the rough down the left hand side, 414 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: because I mean, having played the course or a a week, 415 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: it was the rough down that side was actually not 416 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: bad and you also got the extra benefit of coming 417 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: out quite hot out of the rough and consequently you 418 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: could get more distance very often. So he was actually 419 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: looking to try and get up up to the green 420 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: and two by deliberately going for the roff it took 421 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: took me out of bounds, out of play um and 422 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: he obviously didn't want to end up in the fairway bunkers. 423 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: So it was a deliberate ploy actually to hit the 424 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: ball down the left hand side into the rough h 425 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: and he he then just had a bad swing. Monty 426 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: Scousel had been up in this match since the fifth 427 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: hole in the morning. He was eight up with nineteen 428 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: to play, five up with seven to play four up 429 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: with four to play, and now with one hole left, 430 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: his lead is one. Made a poor swing. It clipped 431 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: the edge of the tree, fell down and went onto 432 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: the path and the drive on we went like maybe 433 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: twenty ars. I'm standing there going all right, let's just 434 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: got an extra hols because you couldn't really see how 435 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: a lad of meet washing apart from where it was, 436 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: and then you're thinking Monty is going to be struggled 437 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: now four bar so well you can see his ball 438 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: there on the path. That's the front te box to 439 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: the left of him, so that's in the penalty area, 440 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: and only justin bones made the same decision to hit 441 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: the ball to the rough again because he felt that 442 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: was the best way to get to the green in 443 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: two and so in fact that the people who watching 444 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: the crowd had to be moved back because we said 445 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: that we're aiming to where they were all standing. And 446 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: he had a very good two hour and actually into 447 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: the into that roff m and as you said, he 448 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: had a pup for pat for a five, which after 449 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 1: the drive was probably didn't seem very likely. How has 450 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: Monty got this part for five? Like, I don't think 451 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: people could maybe realize how good like it was from 452 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: wanting to fair enough he's done that, but also to 453 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: compose himself and then hit those shots to give himself 454 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: a reasonable chance for five. You know, it was pretty impressive. 455 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: I was standing by that partner. I would say from 456 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: a foot out, I would have I'd laid pretty heavy 457 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: older that was in the whole. It's only oh the 458 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: whole the stays out. If that had gone in, It's 459 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: amazing how differently my you know what would be but 460 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: ends up just slipping out and then you're you're back 461 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: down extra holes. And obviously I was the much happier 462 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: person to be doing that. So oh what I'll find 463 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: all those and after thirty six holes worth, at one 464 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: stage they had shoveled big eight down finishes all square 465 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: or into extra holes. You went from having no chance 466 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: and like no chance too, you're all square and you're 467 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: probably at that point in the favorite to went again 468 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: like because all the pressure is back on like you Yeah, 469 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: it's just like wow, to honest man, I could have 470 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: had a better part. It was. It was ahead of 471 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted to with the right speed, and 472 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: it it just lipped out. So yeah, it was a 473 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: pretty pretty stressful walk back to the first year after 474 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: those fourth holes. Looking back into that, it's pretty cool. 475 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: I think that Monty would probably agree to have the 476 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: chance to play a Sun Death playoff. For everything that 477 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: you get for winning the Amateur Championship is you know, 478 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: I think you've struggle to find a situation in Gulf 479 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: apart from maybe trying to win a major championship that 480 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: is more pressure than that because you are It's very cliche, 481 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: but it's sort of you know, it definitely does, when 482 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: you like it or not, change your life a little 483 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: bit for that year that you are champion. And to 484 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: play a Sun Death playoff, to get to go and 485 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: play in the Open and playing the Masters and and 486 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: play in the US Open and off is is a 487 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: high pressure environment, and you know, it was pretty cool 488 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: to just be a part of that. For me, my 489 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: dad were walking to the tea and there were loads 490 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: of people at this point and trying to get the 491 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: trolley through and onto the tea. It was a night there, 492 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: but I managed to calm myself down. And even though 493 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: I'd obviously let my lead slip, like Lead said, I 494 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: didn't feel like I handed it to him. It's not 495 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: like I finished, you know, with four double bogies in 496 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: a row. He played brilliantly and I can't emphasize that enough. 497 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: You know, as I said earlier, earlier in our conversation, 498 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: in a thirty six whole match, both of you are 499 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: going to have your run at some point, and he 500 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: left his right till the end to have his. And 501 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: he played beautifully under under the pressure that he must 502 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: have been under, especially on seventeen when I when I 503 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: hold that part and hit me, probably thought, you know, 504 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: his eight nine ft looked a lot longer then. And 505 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 1: I remember the referee who was walking around with them 506 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: announcing the scores after you know, monton us is the 507 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: part on eighteen, well on the third six and he 508 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: announces the score goes to actual holes And I just said, 509 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: but you didn't think you'd been needing to say that, 510 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: and he said no. In my my dad just you know, 511 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: he just said, right, let's just win, let's win this 512 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: next hole. Um, and my coaches in my ears saying 513 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: you've got this. My coaching flown up to watch, which 514 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: is really nice, and he said, you know you've got this, 515 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: come on, keep going, um. And the strange thing that 516 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: I remember that walking to the first he was feelings 517 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: of like, oh, wow, you've you've really let this go, 518 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: but also feelings of I was here in the in 519 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: the round of sixteen where I messed up on a 520 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: team to win the match and Mr four ft partum 521 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: and I said, you won that game, So I said, 522 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: you're going to do the same again. I was so 523 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: nervous I could barely speak to my caddy. I was 524 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: trying to walk as slowly as possible and just trying 525 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: to deep take some deep breaths and get the sort 526 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: of get the nervous energy out before each shot. But um, 527 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: as soon as I got over the ball, I had 528 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: this um. That sort of was my calm place for 529 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: the week, which is useful, you know, at the end 530 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: of the day, looking at it as a thirty six 531 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: hole match. We were even after thirty six holes against 532 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: each other. So I thought to myself, just win the playoffs, 533 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, And that was my mindset. I cut forgot 534 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: everything that had happened in the last four holes. I 535 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: knew I've been playing some good golf. I just need 536 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: to make some good swings. Um and uh and yeah. 537 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: Hopefully we went down the first and you just cannot 538 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: bring yourself to think that this is he's going to 539 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: win this. It's just I mean, yeah, what the chances 540 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: of that? But you had the momentum at the going 541 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: down the thirty seventh, and despite trying to stop thinking 542 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: about it, you're also thinking, well, it would be extraordinary 543 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: now if you didn't win. Keep down on too breathe. 544 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: I was like, just keep breathing. Like he was extremely nervous, 545 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 1: like basically having hard competitions. Monty ended up not had 546 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: a great drive and he had his second shot short 547 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: of the green. So you mean he maybe had like 548 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: forty yards chip or a pitch or whatever you want 549 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: to call it. I had a pretty decent drive. Mont 550 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: sit little the left and uh and then has to 551 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: chop out of the raft just shot the green, and 552 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: then he's sort of thinking, Okay, here we go. Um 553 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: My caddie actually told me after we finished that he 554 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: gave me a number to the pin that was five 555 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: yards shorter than what it actually was, but he didn't 556 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: want me to go over the back with the adrenaline 557 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: and stuff, and there was a little short shot. Had 558 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: actually had certainly six yards to the flag, and that 559 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: at this point, well I leased the flag, so I 560 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: knew the guardage, but you don't want to go along 561 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: with that green. So I purposely told layer of the the 562 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: yards that was short of the pin so that he 563 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't go long, and he left it like almost exactly 564 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: on the yardage I told him, but it was like 565 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: six yards short of the whole. That's perfect at the 566 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: time undercooked. And then Monty had a world class pet 567 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: shot up to about a fruit. So now I'm thinking 568 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: flirte three process. I'm going to be human because I've 569 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: told him the whole yard. But he managed to managed 570 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: to put it up close. So even in spite of 571 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: five yards, Shepard made an easy part in the first 572 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: playoff hole. Well, Scousel successfully scrambled to extend the match 573 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: and left myself at a fifty yard pitch and he 574 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: knocked on a knocked onto the green to about twenty 575 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: So I thought, Jesus, this this is going to be it. 576 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: But again, one short at a time and probably you know, 577 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: whatever happens in my career wherever I go on to 578 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: do with golf, one of the best shots I've ever 579 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: hit in my life, that's with the pitch into the 580 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: first playoffole under the pressure I was under, and coming 581 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: back to my point, really, Matt that I've always the 582 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: short game generally. He did a lot of that during 583 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: the week, and of course, you know it became apparent, 584 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: particularly on the in the final, but he was doing 585 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: that that sort of shot quite a lot all week, 586 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: and also his long putting was pretty good. Scout's lag 587 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: putting was in fact very good. At that point. He 588 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: hadn't had a three point all day, and standing on 589 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: the tea of the second playoff for Laird still had 590 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: honors a poor T shirt of the second extra Month 591 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: had a great t shot, but even still then I 592 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: just thought, you know, I don't know if something told 593 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: me that you haven't come all this way to lose. 594 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: Checking back in with Laird's dad and girlfriend, basically, like 595 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: probably most people my age, I tried difficulty actually picking 596 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: up the ball in the air. Time well, I watched 597 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: the swing and the reactions and then then guys, beware 598 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: to look, and I just remembered, my god, Laird was 599 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: over trying to overhit that. It was so pumped. I mean, 600 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: it hits it all pretty hard, but he just study 601 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: over too much effort into it, and definitely that's not good. 602 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: All I saw was the hand come off the club 603 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: and signal left and I just thought, oh no, like 604 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: but I again felt like that was it. You know, 605 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: he had hit a poor T shot out of possession. 606 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: Monty then hit a good T shot and in um 607 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: lowd punch out recovery. And again even the recovery shot 608 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: couldn't have been one of the key shots for Lord 609 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: because he had to get it far enough up the 610 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: right side that he had an angle to that pin, 611 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: because again it wasn't an easy pen. Meanwhile, Scousel thinks 612 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: he hit one of his best T shirts of the day. 613 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: I must have pumped it three eight down there went 614 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: straight for the tea peg. I saw a bounce in 615 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: the middle of the fairway. It was quite a tight 616 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: T shirt that second hole, and I thought, sweet, I 617 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: have a little wedge in my hand, I can get 618 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: that close. And obviously we lead him trouble. I don't 619 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: know his life was like. I actually haven't seen it 620 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: on any of the footage, but apparently he was. It 621 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: was okay because there was a lot of head that 622 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: from where I was standing on the fairway with a 623 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: lot of heather around him, and heather obviously is is 624 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: not friendly for goold for golfers, so he he actually 625 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: had a very good shot, got in about fifty yards 626 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: short right. But from there I still thought, you know, 627 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: that's a tough up and down and if I can 628 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: just knock this on the green two parts, I'm not 629 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: going to lose the whole um. But when I got 630 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: to my ball, it was in the left semi and 631 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: to this to this day, I mean, I still don't 632 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: know how it finished in the left semi. I haven't 633 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: again haven't seen the footage, but that ball bounced in 634 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: the middle of the fairway and it must have kicked 635 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: hard left and to finish in the left semi. And 636 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: it was just sitting down a fraction um and down 637 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: wind with a with a short wedge, very difficult to agree, 638 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: which was sloping away from me, very difficult to control, 639 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: and I was kind of in between shots. And the 640 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: ball came out just so hot, so hot, landed probably 641 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: third a foot beyond the pen, to ft beyond the pen, 642 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: and just you know, no spin on it released onto 643 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: the back edge of the green on the fringe. So 644 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: they probably weren't that far in distance, but Monty was 645 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: like on the green where's load was sure of the 646 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 1: pen and lead a cracking pet sharp and maybe five 647 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: foot something like that. Nice touch to sit there. Yeah, 648 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: then he played under the pressure. Yeah. Then to do 649 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: that when he needed to, I think just shows great, 650 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: great character. And again, like say, after being out of position, 651 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: he needed to put it somewhere close to get himself 652 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: a chance. So Marty hadn't looked like three part an 653 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: all day, no chance, And because his pace and the 654 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: Greenes were brilliant, and he was holding out well and 655 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: he potted up to maybe they were fairly equal distance, 656 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: Monty was just slightly Yeah, Monty much me slightly closer 657 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: than Laird. And I was like, just try and just 658 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: put a good stroke on it and trust, just trust 659 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: what you've been doing. It probably was a case of 660 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: whoever hold that, who ever got to go first, and 661 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: if they hold that, that was going to be the 662 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: winning part. I'll done. Laird Shepherd when he holds the 663 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: pressure was obviously straight on me and all of them. 664 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: Sudden the shorter one becomes that much longer. It was. 665 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: It was also a little tricky, it was. It was 666 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: a tricky little left or writer. And consequently it was 667 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: always going to be a tough pat, but I think 668 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: it would been much easier fled and these things. Yeah, 669 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: and then it's down to Monty, isn't it. Monty Scalcel 670 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: has a put to keep it alive. He's been solid 671 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: over those puts all day. Oh not this time though, 672 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to learn when oh my god, you know, 673 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: and it up finishing on that green and yeah, I 674 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: couldn't really believe what had happened, but it was very well. 675 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: He'd had to be over. I just just misread the 676 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: part of it. I sort of hit it left edge 677 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: and it didn't move and it lipped out, and yeah, 678 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: it really sad. It was a sad ending, and I 679 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: think for everyone watching it was probably one of those 680 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: endings you wanted someone to hold a part to win 681 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: it because it had been such a great final. Um 682 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: so sort of a shame that had to be had 683 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: to be ended by a miss putt. But you know, 684 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: that's golf. That is one of the greatest comebacks you 685 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 1: could ever asked to see. It's what makes the game 686 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: of golf and in match play so great, though, I 687 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: think is you get those little situations and you know, 688 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: sometimes they're working your favor and sometimes they don't, but 689 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: there was nothing to be scraced about. And I think 690 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: it was just, you know, the golf and girls weren't 691 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 1: weren't there for him on that, you know, that particular moment, 692 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: but they were for lead and great for him, absolutely 693 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,959 Speaker 1: great fam lad shattered it down after seventeen olds, four 694 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: down with four to play, and in the end that's 695 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: the man from Sussex who comes through to become an 696 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: amateur champion at the thirty eight pold and these two 697 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: good friends and how they believe what they have gone 698 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: through today. It's the kind of final wall. You don't 699 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: jump around, you don't punch there, you're just so relieved 700 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,760 Speaker 1: and unbelieving. It was like shock when it lipped out. 701 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: Just mentally, I wasn't expecting that and it was like, I, 702 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, moment he's only gone and want it 703 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: um Yeah, I just wasn't expecting to see that happen. 704 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: All the injuries, all the years of toil, all the 705 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: emotions spill over as you would understand at such a moment. 706 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: It's actually funny have reduced a few grown mental tears 707 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,479 Speaker 1: at that moment, and it was, you know, I can't 708 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: say it was just one of those situations where, um, 709 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, I know lad Well and knowing what he'd 710 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: been through. If there was one other player in that 711 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 1: field that I would have wanted to win that final 712 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: other than myself, you know, it would have been Lead, 713 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: And it was. I was obviously distraught, you know, there's 714 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: no there's no buttering it up. I was absolutely gutted, 715 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: as competitive as they come, and I wanted to win 716 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: that final so badly. Um. But at the end of 717 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: the day, I think, you know, my parents always taught 718 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: me that, Um, you know, you try as hard as 719 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: you can, but once it's over, whether you've won or 720 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: you've lost, you you lose and win with with with grace, 721 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: and you respect your opposition. And and there was the 722 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: great thing about the whole day was that we there 723 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: was such a great respect between the both of us, 724 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: and I think everyone picked up on that. There wasn't 725 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: you know, too many fist pumps and getting in each 726 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: other's face, and and the game was played in great spirit. 727 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: And and that's that's the beauty of golf, you know, 728 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: And that's that's how I believe it should be played. 729 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: I think Lead thinks the same after be be finished 730 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,240 Speaker 1: and was just gonna shake his hand. You know, I 731 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: I honestly didn't have any words for him, and you know, 732 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: I just said, you know, you played great, and um, 733 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, I wish I could have maybe been a 734 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: bit more, been able to say a bit more that 735 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: made any sense to that point, but I just I 736 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: was speaking. I was, I just didn't know what to say. 737 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: But obviously, you know, I think that's as well reason 738 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: why I wasn't maybe outwardly, you know, fist pumping and 739 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: really happy that I had won, because it just didn't 740 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: seem appropriate. You know, it was a real battle all day, 741 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: and um, you know, it was one of those situations 742 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 1: where I think just like mutual respect for each other 743 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: took over, and then the whole day it was played 744 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: in such good spirits and there's a lot of good 745 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: goods in the morning and stuff, you know, because you know, 746 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,959 Speaker 1: you know, going out of that second eighteen as well, 747 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: you know, um, someone said to me, I kinder if 748 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: it was, but saying no, you're going to make him 749 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: put everything now, And because I needed to, and I 750 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: think on the third hole, we did good good and 751 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: you know, he was we were basically same distance, like 752 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: three or fourf you think it was. And I said, 753 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: I'll just pick up and go to the next hole. 754 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: And my Caddy was sort of looking at me, like, 755 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you should have done that, and I 756 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: said to him, you know, I don't want to win. 757 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to win like that and if I 758 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: want to earn it, and you know, Monty to serve 759 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: so much credit for how well he played and he 760 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: made he made it into a real, real battle, and 761 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: so I think that was just what came out at 762 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: the end. It was just you know, giving him a 763 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: hug and just go And maybe that was that was something, 764 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: wasn't it. And you know, it is difficult. You don't 765 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: know what to say to someone when they've they've had 766 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: that disappointment and you've obviously had this success and it's 767 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: just it was it was difficult for both of us, 768 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: who were both very emotional. If that was me in 769 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: that situation, I would have been probably broken down, like 770 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: m tears and stuff. And Monty was like it was 771 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: just I couldn't believe that he managed to hold himself together. 772 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: Like true, he's an absolute gent like the game was 773 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: played and unbelievable spirits there was no Both of them 774 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: wanted a charge to do well. And quite often you 775 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: get games and you're playing some day in and you 776 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: had a good shot and they're like, they don't say anything, 777 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: But all day everyone was like you had a good shot. 778 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: Like there was no regardlessly one. It was just a 779 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: great day, like you would have You would have been 780 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 1: happy if Monty one. Obviously me and LAYERD wanted Layer 781 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: to win, and Monty and his dad wanted Monty to win. 782 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: But if if he if he'd got to beat or 783 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: whoever got beat, like you're still going to be happy 784 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: for the other person winning because the way the game 785 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: was played, just just the way they are off the course, 786 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: like they're both nice people, Like Monty starts brand new 787 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: and is just yeah, it's a good guy. But he 788 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: held himself together. Unbelievable. What did What did he say 789 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: to you when you hugged him. I don't know, but 790 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: I just said to him, you're a British amateur champion, 791 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: and I think you just there was too many tears 792 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: from us both to really get any words out. But 793 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 1: and I remember saying to him, you can smile now, 794 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: because I think there was just so much shock and 795 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: an emotion. I think once I gave him a Huggy 796 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,959 Speaker 1: just collapsed. Um. But yeah, it makes me emotional thinking 797 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: about it, just because, like you know, it was. It 798 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: was kind of a powerful moment, I guess. And yeah, 799 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: something that you dream of being there, you know when 800 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: when he does something like that, so hopefully be there 801 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: from anymore to come. But but yeah, I don't. I 802 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: don't think he had many words anyway. At that point 803 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 1: I began to cry. To be honest, what emotional pair 804 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: we are? Chloe got in there first, Well I think 805 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: Andy got in there first, then Chloe. Yeah. Then I 806 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: marched on the green and gave him, gave him my 807 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: hug basically, you know, just I've just seen something just incredible. Really, 808 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: I just I said to him out just I will 809 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: never see anything like that in my life again that, 810 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: you know, not the winning of it, but the way 811 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 1: you want it not. Honestly, I feel sorry for Monty 812 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: because he doesn't read My sympathy is great players right, 813 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: But to anyone watching, you'll know that he didn't just 814 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: give it away. He holds some quality parts. In sixteen 815 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: and seventeen, when the pressure was truly on, even his 816 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: up and down. The first extra hole was just top drawer, 817 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: So I think he should be very very proud of that, 818 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: despite obviously what happened. Monty played so great all day 819 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: and such a great bow. I mean, ah, I mean, 820 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: I just can't believe here. And one of my good 821 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: friends after we finished this was phone in me and 822 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: he kept phoning me, so I thought, I answer this 823 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: and picked up and yeah, like what like down the 824 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: phone is just sanking what And I said, I don't know, 825 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: and it's just like, what just happened? Yeah, because he 826 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 1: only checked the scores at halftime. And I saw some 827 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: comments on the on the when they put the picture 828 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: up of champion Large Shepherd on there. There are no 829 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: social media, and some comments were like wait what like 830 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: how and then they're like someone's like I'm going to 831 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: have to go back and watch live stream because I 832 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,479 Speaker 1: want to know what happened and and yeah, and it's 833 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: just it's just sport, isn't it. I Mean, sport creates 834 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: so many moments like those, and I think that's why 835 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: we love it so much. That's a match story. He 836 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 1: told of the dark days of January, standing and the range, 837 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,320 Speaker 1: thinking that was it. His game had gone the future 838 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: plans had gone, he wouldn't be playing golf. To come 839 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: back from there, and to come back from eight down 840 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: after seventeen to before down before to play, and to 841 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: win the amateur championship. With all that that entails, you 842 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: just can't ask for a better story. Well done, commiserations 843 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: montese Ca so but Laird Shepherd as the amateur champion, 844 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: what a fantastic victory from all of us here, Pat Now, 845 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 1: thanks for your company by for that. Both Court Neddler 846 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: and I agree as we've been doing these interviews and 847 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: editing this podcast, there are so many lessons within this story. 848 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: Overcoming adversity, obviously, determination, family, friendships, relationships, and sportsmanship still matter. 849 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: These two young men, in both winning and losing, not 850 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: only made us better play years, but by getting to 851 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: know them, we feel like we're better people. So we 852 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,439 Speaker 1: thank them for that. And before we get to Part four, 853 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 1: where you'll get further reflections from the entire cast of characters, 854 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: plus we have more about Laird Shepherd's future as an 855 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: amateur and a pro bad yardages and who might be 856 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: on the bag of Augusta. We'd like to thank Part 857 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,439 Speaker 1: Points for their support. The innovative app has given you 858 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: an option as to how to score the game of golf. 859 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: Download it now and go make part