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Speaker 2: John, pick the water bottle up and put it next

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Speaker 3: These two guys a gallon. It's a cool that's a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like you text the other guys and

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Speaker 4: Let's see if she says anything. I'm like, that's what

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Speaker 5: It looks crazy too, Like, yeah, it looks half my body,

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Speaker 4: Looks like the bottle in the water and the water cooler,

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Speaker 6: Is my Torso'll remember on Pee Wee's playoffs when Pepe

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Speaker 6: on it.

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Speaker 2: Right, right right?

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 7: All right, it's our pleasure to welcome on New York

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Speaker 7: Times bestselling author and noted water bottle size noticer shay show.

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Speaker 2: What I'm.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 4: I'm so happy to be here, man. I saw y'all

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Speaker 4: as a beast battle thing that y'aller working on, and

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Speaker 4: I saved it to my iPad and then I went

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Speaker 4: y'all he really enjoyed it. On his bracket. The three

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Speaker 4: silver Backs ran away with it. Not that nobody could.

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Speaker 4: Nobody could fuck with the three silver backs.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out the demos on animal opinions.

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Speaker 4: He's ten about to be. He'll be eleven in a

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Speaker 7: Here was right aboutge and my son had the exact

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Speaker 6: So someone showed their seven year old filled out of

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Speaker 6: the bracket and they picked Silverbacks. So silver Backs all

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Speaker 6: is a smart pick too. I don't think you know

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Speaker 4: That's the winner.

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Speaker 3: That's the winner. You have all the opposable dumbs they

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Speaker 4: Have all of the benefits of a human but also

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Speaker 4: superhuman strength. It's just you're not going to beat three

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Speaker 2: Was it close anywhere? Was anything close with it?

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Speaker 4: Or was it just like a clean sweep on you

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Speaker 4: all all of the other brackets. He was like, well,

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Speaker 4: let me see with if you have eight hyenas, like

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Speaker 4: he was talking through it. And then every time we

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Speaker 2: It's over.

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Speaker 4: And they they get the gorillas, could you just pull

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Speaker 7: All right, Well, Shay, the reason we've got you on

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Speaker 7: is to talk about your new book that's out on

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Speaker 7: your own label, Halfway Books.

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Speaker 2: The books called Action Hero Scouting Report.

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Speaker 7: You can find it obviously if you're on any of

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Speaker 7: Shay's socials you've been seeing I'm tweeting.

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Speaker 2: About it, but very excited to see this.

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Speaker 7: Over one hundred pages of what sounds like very I

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Speaker 7: don't know how conscious you are of this, It sounds

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Speaker 7: like very Shay Serrano content like it sounds like if

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Speaker 2: A very shay sounding project, would you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: Give people the pinch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. I love action movies.

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Speaker 4: It seemed like an idea. This is an idea that

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Speaker 4: scouting report for a basketball player that tells you they're

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Speaker 3: Baby, who did you add in there?

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Speaker 2: Like, is Jean Claude van Dam in there? There's it? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: That's a distinction that we need to make early on

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Speaker 4: this is this is this is populated with characters, not actors.

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Speaker 4: So you'll find for example, Chance Boudreau in there from

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Speaker 1: Cool, cool, cool, cool makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Out over so when we're breaking this down, because what

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Speaker 4: So with the action Hero Scouting Report, what we did

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Speaker 4: Every action hero is measured on these six criteria here,

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Speaker 4: it's a grading rubric. The first one is the inciting event.

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Speaker 4: Every action hero, every action movie you've ever watched, the

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Speaker 4: Right, It's a really good insighting event.

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Speaker 4: That's the insiding event every action hero you've ever watched.

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Speaker 4: Whatever, and then we give it a score. And then

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Speaker 4: one of the things we measure. And then the last

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: We're off and running and are they all good guys?

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Speaker 2: Are they all heroes?

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Speaker 4: Well, there are a bunch of anti hero was in there,

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Speaker 2: Did you decide on who to do?

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Speaker 1: Because that's a that's not not a lot and compare

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Speaker 1: to how many acting heroes exist out here, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, like at least like your favorite movies,

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Speaker 4: Or what we wanted to do was just have a nice,

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Speaker 4: We wanted the contemporary, the contemporary stuff that Ethan Hunt

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Speaker 4: Wick and now he's just fucking ripping aliens apart and

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Speaker 4: killing them. So that's what the story ended up being.

441
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Speaker 4: But that one really early on I was like, oh,

442
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 4: this feels like it could be a fun thing to write.

443
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 4: This feels like it has legs. Let me go ahead

444
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Speaker 4: and chase that down. But there have been a bunch

445
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Speaker 4: where you started and you go, oh, this is this

446
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 4: was a funny tweet. It's not a funny book, book

447
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Speaker 4: chapter or funny article.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: You spoke about fire in the sky. That movie scared

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Speaker 1: the ship out of me. In seventh grade, I slept

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Speaker 1: with all the lights on. I was sleeping in the

452
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Speaker 1: basement at that time. Perio in middle school slept with

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Speaker 1: all the lights on downstairs. Mom came down like why

454
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Speaker 1: you got all the damn lights soon and ship? You

455
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. What got me to sleep was

456
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Speaker 1: there was a brown and tan rug like rug or

457
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Speaker 1: like blanket that was sitting in the hamper, and I

458
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Speaker 1: swore I saw Jesus's face in it.

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Speaker 3: And so I was like, okay, Jesus is with me.

460
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Speaker 2: I'm safe now.

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Speaker 6: Come white Jesus is there in the same by white lightness,

462
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Speaker 6: so called Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Since it got me asleep, I might.

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Speaker 5: Never slept again to see that white man and that

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Speaker 5: dawn and that damn blanket.

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Speaker 2: So it was.

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Speaker 4: It was scary when you watched it as a kid.

468
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Speaker 4: It's still scary if you watch.

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Speaker 2: I might tap just off the street.

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Speaker 4: But when the jelly falls off the table to the

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Speaker 4: syrup onto him and he flashes back into being. Them

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Speaker 4: running the tests on it, fucking forget about it, and

473
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Speaker 4: it's and it's partly they forget about it.

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Speaker 1: It's inspired by true events, right, It's like based on

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Speaker 1: a true story.

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Speaker 3: Correct, that's what they say.

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Speaker 4: That didn't that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: It made me feel like you did. It's seventh grade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: When when I rewatched it, I was I was in

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Speaker 4: New Mexico for a couple of a couple of months

482
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Speaker 4: last summer, and I was a few hours away from Roswell,

483
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Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm not going to drive to Roswell,

484
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Speaker 4: but since I'm in New Mexico, I'll just rewatch all

485
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Speaker 4: of the movies with aliens in them, just for like

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Speaker 4: over the course of two or three weeks. And when

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Speaker 4: I got to that, when I was like, fuck, this

488
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Speaker 4: is I'm gonna watch this one during the day. That's

489
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Speaker 4: what I'm gonna do with this one.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it that night.

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Speaker 5: I remember there was a moment where I was so scared.

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Speaker 5: I just went upstairs and just stood in the hallway

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Speaker 5: and my mom came out. She scared the ship out

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Speaker 5: of her. What the squaring off with me? She was like,

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Speaker 5: what you downstairs?

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Speaker 2: I was so messed up that entire night, bro.

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Speaker 5: Shae, if we can tell Blanket Jesus, thank you, thank you,

498
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Speaker 5: thank you, White Jesus wondering Blake was one wrink away

499
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Speaker 5: from looking like so Jim Duggant, but it gave you.

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Speaker 2: Wife Jesus.

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Speaker 3: That's a T shirt.

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Speaker 7: T shirt there somewhere, Lennon Josea saved save John's Thank you.

503
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Speaker 2: Sha If we can talk basketball for a minute. You

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Speaker 2: are a Spurs fan.

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Speaker 3: And oh, yeah, baby, I know he's a proud papa,

506
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: right yeah, so is gonna be the.

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Speaker 7: Best basketball player of all time or the second best

508
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Speaker 7: basketball player of it? Like where are you on the

509
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 7: optimism to pessimism scale?

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Speaker 4: We are so back. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna

511
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Speaker 4: tell you the truth. I'm gonna tell you the truth.

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Speaker 4: And I watched I watched that first Summer League game

513
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Speaker 4: and I was like, Oh, he's falling down a bunch

514
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 4: of times. Guys not looking it's not looking real great,

515
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 4: He's not looking real he's not looking real great. But

516
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 4: game two, oh, I was feeling real good. You couldn't

517
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Speaker 4: tell me ship After game two, I think it's gonna

518
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Speaker 4: be good. There was a bunch of stuff that that

519
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 4: when you watch the games, like you saw him competing

520
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 4: against NBA level talent, was was exciting to see. But

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Speaker 4: some of the stuff he was doing was really like

522
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Speaker 4: small stuff that stood out to me. And one of

523
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Speaker 4: the thing of him falling down when he fell down,

524
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Speaker 4: because it did happen a bunch of times, it seemed

525
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Speaker 4: to me like he fell down in a way that

526
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Speaker 4: was protecting himself. One one play in particular, during I

527
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 4: think it was the second game, He's on the left

528
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 4: side at the court of the rim people. It's the

529
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 4: shot up, but they just foul him, and him and

530
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: the defender both are falling down at the same time,

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Speaker 4: and there's a very very like clear moment of when

532
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Speaker 4: you see him with his long, gigantic eight foot long

533
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 4: legs brings him up like so that the guy doesn't

534
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: fall on top of him, very like a small little thing.

535
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: But you're like, oh, that's right. He spent his whole

536
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: last few years being seven foot ten, like he's used

537
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Speaker 4: to this. He he falls down in a way that

538
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 4: to me, you watch Anthony Davis fall down.

539
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Speaker 2: Like a tree, like.

540
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Speaker 1: Somebody that was six to one and walk up and

541
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Speaker 1: was almost seven foot That's how he falls down, you

542
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Speaker 1: know what I mean.

543
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Speaker 4: Fall He falls down like a toddler where they just

544
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Speaker 4: go like I'm going down, no self protection. Yeah yeah yeah,

545
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Speaker 4: Wi Wimby was not doing. But it was a little

546
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 4: stuff like that that I was watching. I was like, man,

547
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Speaker 4: this is this is really exciting. But the thing to

548
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Speaker 4: me that stood out the most was for the last

549
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 4: five six years or whatever, it's not been like super

550
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: exciting to turn on a Spurs game. I couldn't remember

551
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: what that felt like. But I knew when the Summer

552
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 4: League game was gonna happen. I knew what time it

553
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 4: was gonna happen. I like planned my day to be

554
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 4: in front of my TV. I called my oldest son

555
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Speaker 4: who plays basketball, sit with me for the first half

556
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Speaker 4: of this game. We're gonna watch Whimby, like you know

557
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like that was the thing that I

558
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 4: appreciated the most. Just being excited. You can feel it

559
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 4: in the city. We're excited. We're ready for the season

560
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: to start like, please let me buy my Spurs tickets

561
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 4: right now, Like we're back, baby, that's what it feels like.

562
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Speaker 4: I'm so excited.

563
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Speaker 7: That's the best thing as a father. Are you doing

564
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Speaker 7: the math? Like like I do that with my son

565
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 7: and different teams, Like, oh, Bronze signed for three years,

566
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 7: you'll be in high school, you know what I mean? Like,

567
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Speaker 7: are you doing that math of Like okay, you and

568
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 7: your youngest son, Like wow, he's when we could get

569
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Speaker 7: us all the way through high school where we have

570
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Speaker 7: these moments to watch games together and shit.

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Speaker 4: He can he can take us all the way through that.

572
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Speaker 4: You know what happened the other day? I went in

573
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Speaker 4: the cause we have twins and then the baby. And

574
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 4: when I say the oldest son, I mean the twin

575
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: who can't use one minute earlier than the other one.

576
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Speaker 4: But I went in his room and he's playing two

577
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: K on his computer and it was like, uh, Spurs

578
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 4: and Warriors and I was like, hey, they got wim

579
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: beyond there and he's like, yeah, they got wim beyond there.

580
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 4: And I was like, that's fucking dead rules. I'm so

581
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: happy you're playing with the Spurs And he's like, I'm

582
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: playing with the Warriors.

583
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Speaker 2: What are you talking about? And I was like, oh no,

584
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: oh my.

585
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 4: God, oh god, this is this is awful. This is terrible, terrible, terrible.

586
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: Terrible Internet dropped out. Sorry son, I don't know what

587
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: happened to the router. I don't know what's going on

588
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: with it. All right, Well, Shay, thanks for being so

589
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: generous with your time. Everyone.

590
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Speaker 7: Once again, that's Halfway books dot Com for the new project.

591
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 7: Sounds like it's going to be super fun. Over one

592
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Speaker 7: hundred pages of electronic book from the one and only

593
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Speaker 7: Shay Toronto Shade. Thanks again for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, baby, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: I