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Speaker 1: What is up? Metstub listeners back here for episode number

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Speaker 1: sixty two of the met Stuff podcast. Of course, you

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Speaker 1: got your co hosts, me, Mark Luiino, Draftneckmark here, Hiano

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Speaker 1: Jeter had no range talking about what's going on in

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Speaker 1: Mets world. After a hectic week where we got a

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Speaker 1: new GM, we lost Noah Cinderguard, it's actually been pretty

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Speaker 1: quiet on the New York Mets front. We got Aaron Loop.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Loupskan. He's also weirdly gone to the Angels. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just a kind of interesting story. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about Aaron Loop. We're gonna talk about Saya Suzuki, the

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Speaker 1: Japanese prospects slugger that could be coming over to Major

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Speaker 1: So I'll go over some Saya Suzuki info and news

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Speaker 1: bit about their offseason plan, because there's been some speculation

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Speaker 1: we feeling today after the loop signing and everything going

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling pretty okay. This is the by far the

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Speaker 2: quietest week of the off season so far. It took

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Speaker 2: ridiculously antiquity the general manager search. But this is the

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Speaker 1: Well, this was like the first episode that we kind

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Speaker 1: Not that we're making it up, but there isn't a

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Speaker 2: Aaron Loop has like abjectively had two good years his

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Loop is a folk legend. I think in

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would have agreed to that contract

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Speaker 2: guess and now we're gonna get into our Loops talks.

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Speaker 2: If we made these notes yesterday before the Loop siding happens,

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Speaker 2: Like just to put Aaron Loops twenty twenty one season

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Speaker 2: It was Blake trying in in twenty eighteen and one

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Speaker 1: You go, Benny runs? And then the man got paid.

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Speaker 2: And the next guy in this tier is Jonathan papal Bond,

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Speaker 1: I mean, way Davis was, like you said, unhittable for

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Speaker 2: Like so was papal Bon. People like shit on papal

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Speaker 1: So I was actually recording a video about Baseball Hall

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Speaker 1: But when he pitched, he never was really bad, like never.

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Speaker 2: No, never. And then Papa Bond's the kind of guy

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Speaker 2: It's only Fernando Rodney. I don't I can't describe what

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Speaker 2: Like what are you gonna do? Fernanda Rodney? One year

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Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, Chris Hammond in two thousand and two. Shockingly,

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Speaker 2: zero point nine to eight, Chris Hammond was zero point

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Speaker 1: time is pretty similar to what you would find Aaron

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Even this Fernando Rodney strike gut rate when

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Speaker 1: really looking for that type of pitcher and try and

433
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Speaker 1: make him into that next version of him as well,

434
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Speaker 1: and it won't cost you seven and a half million

435
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Speaker 1: dollars over to or for the next two years. I

436
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Speaker 1: mean even some of the guys that they're talking about

437
00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,320
Speaker 1: right now that the Mets are interested in. One of

438
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Speaker 1: the names that's flying around is Taylor Rodgers from the

439
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,800
Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins. He's a guy who's doe like six million

440
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,240
Speaker 1: dollars I think this upcoming year, who's been really good

441
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota for another Jeremy Hefner guy. I mean I

442
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,840
Speaker 1: would take him too, if we're really gonna talk about money. Like,

443
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Speaker 1: if you would have came into last year even and

444
00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 1: said Looper Rodgers, you would have probably picked Taylor Rodgers

445
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,080
Speaker 1: one hundred out of one hundred times. So I don't know.

446
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 1: It just comes back to the idea that there is

447
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,239
Speaker 1: pitching out there, If there's left handed pitching out there

448
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 1: that's available, and you won't have to spend a premium,

449
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 1: which sounds weird at seven and a half million dollars.

450
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is not the downfall of the Mets

451
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Speaker 1: offseason by any means, like it's been signaled on Twitter,

452
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 1: by some people.

453
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Speaker 2: No, definitely not. I'd probably even rather take Taylor Rodgers

454
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,199
Speaker 2: to Aaron Loop right now, as crazy as that might

455
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,639
Speaker 2: set out to some people, Like he just has a

456
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Speaker 2: higher ceiling. He just throws harder and he has a

457
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 2: better slide. Like, there's not really any way to slice

458
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 2: it up. There's so many relievers you can sign for

459
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,919
Speaker 2: five million dollars or less this offseason. He could turn

460
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Speaker 2: into a project and it could be a lot of fun.

461
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Speaker 2: Like I think that a guy like Jacob Junas from

462
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Speaker 2: the Kansas City of Royals, who's always had like pretty

463
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 2: i say, enticing stuff his entire career, but he plays

464
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Speaker 2: for an organization that does not yet own a computer.

465
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Speaker 2: So I think that's a lefty though I think people

466
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Speaker 2: want lefties. Okay, well I know people want lefties. Who

467
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Does that really matter with the three

468
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,679
Speaker 2: batter rule now, I think it does weirdly in the

469
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Speaker 2: NL East because Freeman, Soto, Harper, those are three big

470
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Speaker 2: left handed bats that you're gonna you have to get

471
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Speaker 2: out of me. You think about how many times we

472
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: saw those guys come up in big moments this season.

473
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Speaker 2: That's true, That's definitely where it has value. But if

474
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Speaker 2: you are looking for that guy who can get those

475
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 2: left handed guys out, there are dudes of it. Brooks

476
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 2: Raley was untouchable by left handed hitters. Untouchable. He can't

477
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: get a righty out for his life, but against lefties, untouchable.

478
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Speaker 2: So like, there's definitely guys available that you could go get.

479
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 2: Andrew Chafin is a great option too. Andrew Chathan, by

480
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 2: all intensive purposes, is a better picture than Aaron Loop,

481
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Speaker 2: and he's probably gonna cost basically the exact same amount

482
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Speaker 2: of money. Like I would struggle to give the Jump

483
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Speaker 2: to Mark and give Aaron Loup that contract, and I

484
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 2: can give the same one to Andrew Chafin, who's been

485
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Speaker 2: better for longer with better stuff he got.

486
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Speaker 1: He gets both sides of the plate out extremely well.

487
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: He limits hard contact, He does everything you want, just

488
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Speaker 1: like Loop did. There's there's no reason for this to

489
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Speaker 1: be sounding the alarm, Like, Okay, we missed Loop and

490
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: Cindergard this offseason, two guys that we probably thought we

491
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Speaker 1: were gonna have back, but they were by no means

492
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Speaker 1: the crux of the success of this team going into

493
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not. And if they were that'd be a

495
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Speaker 2: pretty big disaster.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we would really be in trouble. Like, we don't

497
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Speaker 1: think that this Mets team is in particularly great spot

498
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 1: right now, but they are not in you know, what's

499
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Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for, But they're not in the

500
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 1: doomsday scenario right now because of this.

501
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't like that that visual meme, if you will,

502
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 2: where there's this major stack of stuff that's like keeping

503
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: this boat from like crashing into the shore, and the

504
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 2: boat is the Mets twenty twenty two season, and there's

505
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: this tiny little peg that like theoretically Mets fans think

506
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 2: was Aaron loop, and you pull that peg away and

507
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 2: apparently the whole thing explodes. I don't just don't think

508
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: that's true.

509
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Speaker 1: No.

510
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Speaker 2: I think Aaron Loup more so was a folk hero.

511
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: He was a lot of fun, and he had an

512
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Speaker 2: incredible season. He probably did a lot this year to

513
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: hold the Mets where they were for a very extended

514
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Speaker 2: period of time. But I just don't think that it

515
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Speaker 2: was an eight and a half million dollar gamble to take.

516
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Speaker 1: No. And honestly, I've been talking about this a lot,

517
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, the cinder garden money, where that could go?

518
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: The loop money where that could go. I want to

519
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Speaker 1: talk about Saya Suzuki because that's a guy who I

520
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: would love to give some money to, and especially from

521
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Speaker 1: what the estimators are coming out for what his contract

522
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Speaker 1: could look like. It's not very expensive, it's it's I

523
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Speaker 1: think it's worth the risk. Say is Suzuki If you

524
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Speaker 1: guys don't know, is this the Japanese Mike Trout I

525
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: believe is his nickname right now? That's a little hyper belief. Obviously,

526
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Speaker 1: he's not gonna come over and be Mike Trout. It's

527
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Speaker 1: just it's very hard to be like that.

528
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Speaker 2: He's Mike Trout there.

529
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Speaker 1: He's no, That's what I'm saying. He's Mike Trout there.

530
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Speaker 1: I think when people hear Japanese Trout, they're thinking like

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Speaker 1: almost like he's gonna be Otani level type stuff that's

532
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Speaker 1: gonna be really hard in his first year. I don't

533
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Speaker 1: know if he'll ever hit those ceilings, but there are

534
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Speaker 1: some really good stuff that he does in Japan. He's

535
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Speaker 1: a ballplayer. He's very very good, and he's different than

536
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Speaker 1: we've seen for a lot of Japanese prospects or even

537
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Speaker 1: foreign prospects coming over because he's only twenty seven.

538
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he actually has some better hitting numbers at

539
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 2: similar ages in years as Otani in the MPB.

540
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I mean he also is only hitting.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't pitch. I know's that's a big part

542
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: of the true But like, I just think that there's

543
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Speaker 2: a lot of people in general and American baseball media

544
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Speaker 2: who are a little bit scared off by the idea

545
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Speaker 2: of Japanese players because we've seen so many completely fall apart.

546
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Speaker 1: Uh Shogo Akiyama.

547
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Speaker 2: Well there's the recent is I even want to go

548
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Speaker 2: further back right now? Like, don't do it to me Shinjo,

549
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Speaker 2: don't I love Shinjo. I got a Shinjo autograph at home.

550
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Speaker 2: We got Shinjo, We got.

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Speaker 1: Kasmat Tsui, the Cubs Kaske, you got Tadahito Oguchi, you

552
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Speaker 1: got Kenji Jojuma. I could just rattle off some Japanese

553
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Speaker 1: players that have come over and really had no impact.

554
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Speaker 1: A lot of them have, yeah, a lot of them hadn't.

555
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Speaker 1: And of course you have Eachiro. That's the top end

556
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Speaker 1: of it, the what you're hoping you hit with when

557
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Speaker 1: you get a guy. But says Zuzuki, I did a

558
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Speaker 1: video last year during the you know, lockout of baseball

559
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 1: when we had nothing going on about the top players

560
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Speaker 1: in the MPB for every team, and I looked into

561
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Speaker 1: the say Suzuki guy, I'm like, oh boy, this guy

562
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Speaker 1: can hit, he can play, he's really good.

563
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Speaker 2: People are gonna be scared because we just had Yoshisa

564
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Speaker 2: Stugo and shogiyak Kiama Shogakiyama come by, and they were

565
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: these types of prolific power contact guys from Japan who

566
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Speaker 2: completely fell in their faces. But there's almost no similarities

567
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Speaker 2: between these types of players. And like you said, Suzuki's

568
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Speaker 2: posting in what we consider a prime at twenty seven

569
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Speaker 2: years old, even though your physical prime is probably like

570
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Speaker 2: twenty four to like twenty eight, So twenty seven, like,

571
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Speaker 2: I'll take him into his starties. I don't really care.

572
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: And he's just he can really rip the snot out

573
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Speaker 2: of the ball. And he's also a bodybuilder. Did you

574
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Speaker 2: know that.

575
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but I saw the size of

576
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Speaker 1: the guy, and I know he's five eleven, but he's

577
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Speaker 1: he's a strong five eleven.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's an ox yes, But bottom line, he's had

579
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Speaker 2: a top five WRC plus each of the last six

580
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Speaker 2: seasons all of his professional years in the MPB, he's

581
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Speaker 2: been a full on MVP. This season. He leads in

582
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Speaker 2: literally every single advanced metric in NPB, like WRC plus

583
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Speaker 2: OPS plus wOBA, ISO ISO plus w r AA, which

584
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Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is.

585
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Speaker 1: I have no clue.

586
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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's in the Prospects live articles, so sure,

587
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: and batting average for all the all the real listeners

588
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Speaker 2: at home here and war so he's leading in everything.

589
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Speaker 2: He's third in runs, and he had the same amount

590
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Speaker 2: of strikeouts and walks, which I mean, you know that

591
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Speaker 2: that just sends me to the moon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that gives you a little bit of a hard

593
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: on right there in.

594
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Speaker 2: That hundred percent. But he actually went through his own

595
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Speaker 2: like play discipline renaissance this season. Traditionally the last couple

596
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: of years, he's had more walks and strikeouts, which if

597
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: the other one gave me a hard on, this is

598
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 2: just gonna send me out a window. But he kind

599
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: of went through this adjustment midseason where he gave up

600
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Speaker 2: some play discipline and some of his patients for more power,

601
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Speaker 2: and even by doing that, he's even out his strikeouts

602
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: and walks and he has just absolutely annihilated the ball.

603
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 2: Power and hit tool are not in question at all here.

604
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Speaker 2: He's probably like a sixty grade hit tool. I just

605
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Speaker 2: can't give him a seventy, probably even a fifty, just

606
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Speaker 2: because I'm scared about the Japanese guys with velocity, and

607
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: it's probably like a sixty grade row power, truthfully.

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Speaker 1: And he's an incredible athlete. He's really fast, gross, he's

609
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Speaker 1: he's got a great arm. It seems like he can

610
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Speaker 1: play the outfield very well. It doesn't seem like that's

611
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Speaker 1: gonna be a problem by any means.

612
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Speaker 2: Four cold gloves in five years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this guy is about the most all round

614
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Speaker 1: player that we've seen in quite some time come from Japan,

615
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Speaker 1: and he really is probably the best player in that

616
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: league that's Japanese.

617
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Speaker 2: And I did something that I know that you really love.

618
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: But this guy's swing is sexual.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

620
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: It's honestly one of the best swings I've ever seen.

621
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have that like stereotypical Japanese swing where they're

622
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: like running out of the box and like kind of

623
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: just trying to slap it around. He gets in there,

624
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: he takes some friggin hacks.

625
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: He's also like so quick to the ball, like he's

626
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: like completely fluid, Like there's absolutely no extraneous movement whatsoever

627
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: when he comes to the ball. And that makes me

628
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: think that while there will always be an adjustment period

629
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Speaker 2: when these Japanese players face elite major league velocity, because

630
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Speaker 2: there's like no one who throws over ninety two miles

631
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Speaker 2: an hour in Japan, but the way he swings and

632
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: the way he sees breaking pitches makes me think that

633
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: he will be able to actually adjust, probably more quickly

634
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Speaker 2: than we'd even expect.

635
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, his swing is very compact, and it's hard to

636
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: tell bat speed on video, but his bat speed looks

637
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Speaker 1: very good as well. I wouldn't say it's like elite,

638
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. I'm not Washington. I'm not seeing Michael Taglia,

639
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: who's got the slowest bat I've ever seen. Sorry, Michael,

640
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: Michael Tola, Michael Tolia. Yeah, but I mean like he

641
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: he looks like a baseball player. His stats tell you

642
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: he's very very good. All the like peripherals and all

643
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: the inte not the intangibles, all the like you know,

644
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: the power, the speed, the the hit tool, all that,

645
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: they all grade. Well, if you're the Mets. It seems

646
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: like a guy that you should be very very much in.

647
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Speaker 2: On and he well, first of all, I do have

648
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: a pretty cool video I found on Twitter of a

649
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: side shot slow motion of his swing that we should

650
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: We're either gonna post on our own Twitter channel or

651
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: we could put this into the video if you could

652
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: do that, I mean, I'll do both, all right, beautiful

653
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: sent after this. But he loves to work the count.

654
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: Loves to work the count. I've read tons of scouts

655
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: say that he will consistently put himself down oh two

656
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: because he's been more aggressive, and he's very good at

657
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: getting it back to three to two where at least

658
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: get himself back into a count where he sees a

659
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: pitch to hit the highest. I don't know if this

660
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: that means anything. By saw an article I thought was

661
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: kind of cool. Out of all of the counts that

662
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: he drew walks in, so three, two, three one or

663
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: three oho the only counts you can draw a walk from.

664
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 2: By far, the highest rate of his walks came from

665
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: a three to two count.

666
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: And that that tells you that like he's not he's

667
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: not looking for a walk, but he also will take them.

668
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: He will take them if given. But like the three

669
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: zero three one, if he's getting a pitch, he's aggressive,

670
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: and like, I kind of like that. I want a

671
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna jump on those pitches that are supposed

672
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: to be the ones that you take advantage of them

673
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: that did not do that. Last year we complained about

674
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: it how bad we weren't hitting mistakes. He's gonna jump

675
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: on you if you make a.

676
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: Mistake, definitely. And just to bring it back to the

677
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: last two premier Japanese players who posted Yoshi Tatugo and

678
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: show Go Akiyama. The other guys were both stars in Japan.

679
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: They're own right. They were both high average, high power guys,

680
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: Stuko having a little bit more power and Akiyama having

681
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: a little bit higher average. But even Akiyama, who swings

682
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: the absolute pool ludle like this said.

683
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Years ago, I want to high right, Yeah, And.

684
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: He had twenty home runs his last season in Japan.

685
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: But just to compare these guys in all of their

686
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: last year, in the last year they all played in Japan,

687
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: when Suzuki was twenty four and the other two guys

688
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: were twenty seven and twenty eight. Szuki was by far

689
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: better than them. Suzuki that year had three thirty five

690
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: four fifty three, five sixty five slash that's disgusting to

691
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 2: Stugo had a two seventy two, three eighty eight, five

692
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: to eleven, so by far worse every single category there.

693
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: Nakiyama had a three zho three three ninety two, four

694
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: seventy one, also by far worse. Across the board. Sazuki

695
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: had one hundred seventy six WRC plus dis Dugo had

696
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: a one thirty six, Akiyama had a one forty one.

697
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: Tazuki had a four to forty five wOBA this Dougo

698
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: had a three ninety one, Akiyama had a three ninety.

699
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: And this is the one part that was more similar.

700
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: Zuki had twenty eight home runs to Dougo had twenty nine.

701
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: Akiyama had twenty. But Suzuki has adjusted to give himself

702
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: more power since then. And even if you really want

703
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: to get in the weeds here, like really really want

704
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: to get in the weeds, because we do because we

705
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: want to have to signed this guy, I think he's

706
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: could possibly be a little legitimate stud That year in

707
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, so Stugo had a twenty two percent chase rate,

708
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: Akiyama twenty five percent chase rate. Suki had a seventeen

709
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: percent chase rate. It's pretty gross, pretty gross as far

710
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: as swinging strike rate goes do. Stugo had a nine

711
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: point eight, Akiyama had eight point two, Suzuki had six

712
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: point six. Even if you compare those plate discipline stats

713
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: the secon half of this season, when you can see

714
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: a hard line in Suzuki's style changing, he had a

715
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: twenty percent chase rate and a seven point four percent

716
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: swinging strikeerate. So even still in his most aggressive time,

717
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: with more power, more talent, more athleticism, and just more

718
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: vigor than these other two guys who came over with

719
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: critical acclaim signed by two of the smarter organizations in baseball,

720
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: Tazuki is still better literally across the board. There's not

721
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: one stat you can find that they beat him in.

722
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: And we got Billy Eppler. Now Billy Upper's got that

723
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: Japanese connection I talked about in the last episode. I said, hey,

724
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: maybe he'll help us with I.

725
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: Did with the Japanese connection.

726
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: The Japanese He signed Otani, and no one thought the

727
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: Angels were gonna get Otani at the time. He wasn't

728
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: really rumored to them. It was it was all Mariners,

729
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: and that's probably the Echiero effect a little bit. But listen,

730
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: he got Otani to the Angels, no one was really

731
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: expecting that. Let's get say a Suzuki to the Mets.

732
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: I want this guy on there. We need a corner

733
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: outfielder right now because Confordo's on his way out. Let's

734
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: get a shot to say a Suzuki. He's not gonna

735
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: cost really anything either. It seems like.

736
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: He also could probably play center field based on all

737
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: of the scating reports. I know if you'd want him to.

738
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was about to say, I'm not so

739
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: sold on him being a center fielder as much as

740
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: like some of the other people. But that's weird just

741
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: saying because he's a good athlete, has a good arm,

742
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: but it is a little different.

743
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, his arms almost too good for center,

744
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: Like I kind of want that in a corner so

745
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: we could really let fly.

746
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get what you're saying.

747
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 2: There a lot of you listeners and viewers out there

748
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: are pretty critical of us for the last episode because

749
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: we did give Billy Eppler a lot of flak. But

750
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: I guess this was his claim to famous Shoho Tani

751
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: if you want to, if you have to say something,

752
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: I guess that is a pretty positive He signed who

753
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: looks like one of the best players in baseball.

754
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean like and the flak we gave him was

755
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: all warranted. Again, we don't dislike the guy, we don't

756
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: hate him. We don't hope he does poorly. Because we're

757
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: Mets fans. Our podcast does better with the Mets too. Well.

758
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: We want to see the Mets succeed. We're just telling

759
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: you facts. There were struggles with Eppler in Los Angeles

760
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: with the Angels. They did not perform. These are all

761
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: things that are truthful statements. Nothing we were saying was

762
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: really opinion based there. It was all truthful.

763
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just pointing out the players that were

764
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: on these rosters and that there was a lot of

765
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: general managers in baseball probably would not have done similar things,

766
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: especially given the climate of modern baseball and what we

767
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: know about most of those players that Billy Eppler either

768
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: gave small money, medium money, or big money too. Again,

769
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: as you're pointed that LST, I want to be the

770
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: dead horse here. I'd like Billy Eppler to earn our

771
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: trust based on his own merit rather than the merit

772
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: of people in their YouTube comments.

773
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: And that's what I want.

774
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: He's got.

775
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: He's got to earn our trust. We've we've thrown around

776
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: trust a little bit too much. As a New York

777
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: met fan, I don't trust him. I don't trust him.

778
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't trust him. He's got to earn it from me.

779
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: Prove to me that you know what you're doing, Prove

780
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: that your competing, you know what you could do by

781
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: doing that. Go get a guy like Saya Suzuki. That's

782
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: who we want.

783
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: My finger's not really been in the pulse of say Aszuki.

784
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: This seems to be a big YouTube thing. All your

785
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: YouTubers seems to just be in leve of say A Suzuki.

786
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: Of course, how much is he going to get and

787
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: how much would you give him?

788
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I can see it because I think

789
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm blocked. Well, I don't think i'm blocked. I am

790
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: blocked by John Hayman, and I think he was tweeting

791
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: about it. But I think the estimate is around like

792
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: ten to seventeen million dollars a year for Saya Suzuki,

793
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: which that's it, And he's like looking for five years,

794
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, I for like fifty five to fifty

795
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: seems low, but like five for sixty five for sixty five, sure,

796
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: I'll take that risk. That's not really a lot for

797
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: the kind of player that he's been in Japan.

798
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: I think five years he's gonna get a commitment.

799
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: I think that's what he's looking for.

800
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's a lot of years.

801
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: Three to five you gotta think is gonna end up

802
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: being the range. You're not really gonna sign a Japanese

803
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: player for anything lower than like two, and that's for

804
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: a guy who's the best player in the league.

805
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. How do you think he compares to

806
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: Michael Confordo right now? Based on what he's gonna get

807
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: in free agency and who you expect to produce more

808
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: over the next five years.

809
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: So it's really hard to say because we don't We

810
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: don't know what Tsusuki's gonna do here. All the things

811
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 1: tell us he should be a very competent player, But

812
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: we do know what Michael Confordo's floor is, and we

813
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: saw it last year. That's probably gonna be the worst year.

814
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: He really has, and even then he was basically league

815
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: average right.

816
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: In my correct no ops plus got to like one

817
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: oh three.

818
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so he was basically league average. And that's probably

819
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: the worst season you're gonna see with Michael Confordo. The

820
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: thing is, you're not signing Michael Florida to five years.

821
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: It's not happening. He's probably taking the one year contract

822
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: unless you're gonna pay him that twenty plus million dollars

823
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: a year. I don't see bores taking anything less than

824
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: five for one hundred and even then, I just don't

825
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: see that happening. So it's do you take the risk

826
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: on Conforida and give him the one year you know,

827
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: twenty something million this year, and he signs and then

828
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: he gets he leaves and he gets more money because

829
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: he played well. Again, I don't know if you can

830
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: really do that. I don't know if that's an actual possibility.

831
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: To me, I'm all for bringing in the young guy

832
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: from Japan and giving him the risk. If it's gonna

833
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: be sixty million to him for five years, whatever it's

834
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna be, I'm cool with giving him that risk, as

835
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: opposed to Conforida for three. Yeah, I could see that too,

836
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: I just the not having a real idea of what

837
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: the floor is of Suzuki is scary.

838
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: That's what That's that point I was about to make.

839
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: We really don't know how bad it could be. There's

840
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: no way to prove it. There's no way to even

841
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: slightly figure it out.

842
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: Like I know, the worst case scenario. Next year, Michael

843
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: gounforda is gonna have a ten percent walk grate. He's

844
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: gonna play average defense and probably find his way into

845
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: minimum twenty five home run He'll be at worst a

846
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: two and a half win player, like similar to this

847
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: past season. Suzuki, just like any player who's never seen

848
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: a pitch above ninety eight miles an hour before, he

849
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: could just not be able to adjust. It took Shokaiakiyama

850
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: will probably never be good, and yoshitasdu Go finally started

851
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: to get a little bit of a taste at the

852
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: end of last season. Even though Akiyama is frail and

853
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: he the Shogakiyama spring training twenty twenty story is the

854
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: one of the best stories in the history of Major

855
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: League Baseball. He was so committed to working hard to

856
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: earn his keep in America and find his footing that

857
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: he spent four consecutive months at the Red Spring training

858
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: facility during the entire lockout in Florida, away from his wife,

859
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: who just moved across the globe to live in Cincinnati

860
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: with him.

861
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I respect the grind. I mean he should have

862
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: done the Randy A. Rosarina thing when there was a

863
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: lockout going on. He had to hit the chicken and

864
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: rice hard, which.

865
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: Like, Suzuki doesn't need the chicken and rice. He's built.

866
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: He's built, he doesn't need the chicken and rice. He's

867
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: got the chicken and rice already. Shogua Kaiyama desperately needs

868
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: the chicken and rice because having seen him in Burson

869
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: hitting on the field, I think I could throw a

870
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: baseball farther than he could hit it, and I can't throw. So,

871
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Suzuki doesn't project like that, he doesn't look

872
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: like that. His swing does nothing gives me the signs

873
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be Shoguakayama.

874
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: And he has the shorter swing that Ttugo something that

875
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: because we actually argue about who's gonna better and we

876
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: live together. In twenty twenty, between Akiyama's Stuco and Chaker,

877
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: we were both wrong.

878
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: Both wrong.

879
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: They both because you would like to Stugo's gonna be

880
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: the guy, and I was like, I really think Akayama

881
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: could be a real, like useful player. This Stugo can't

882
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: catch up to anything, and Akayama can bother the infield.

883
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: But the Stuka does have that very long swing that

884
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: is kind of reminiscent of power Hillis in Japan. It

885
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: takes guys a couple of years to get that together.

886
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: And like, when I see Suzuki, I kind of see

887
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: something similar to the way Hydecki Matsui swung, where the

888
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: bat goes from right here to right here, just straight through.

889
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: And we're not hitting coaches, we're not biomechanics experts. We

890
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: don't really know exactly how the swing's gonna translate. I

891
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: can see a swing with my eyes and be like,

892
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: I like that. That looks good, And I could very

893
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: well be wrong. There's no real telling that Suzuki is

894
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: ever gonna come here and hit. I just think he will.

895
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me listen how we're gonna end this.

896
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: Say a Suzuki talk here, because we have been going

897
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: for quite a bit. If he's like Kadeki Matsui, do

898
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: you take him over Canforida.

899
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: If he's like Kideki Matsui, who's a super athlete, then yeah,

900
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Look if he's his own athletic body in the corner

901
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 2: outfield and he's a decu Matsui at the plate.

902
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: That's what I mean at the plate. Obviously Matsui was

903
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: dh but yeah, he couldn't even move. No, I mean,

904
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: it was one hundred years old when he came here.

905
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: But if he hits like Hideki, is that something that

906
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: you take over Canforida? Are you still going like Canforida?

907
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: I think Conforida could be better. It was a long pause.

908
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: I might keep that a long pause.

909
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm thinking because I think that what MATSOUI did year

910
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: in and year out was actually pretty similar to like

911
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: Michael Conforda's like fortieth percent like percentile expectation. Matsu was

912
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: like a two sixty hitter with like high twenties, low

913
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: thirties home runs. And I don't know anything about Hedkie

914
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: Matsui's played discplined. I'm gonna look this up right now.

915
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: That's actually a very good point. I have no clue

916
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: if he walked or not. He might have never walked

917
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: in his life. I don't know.

918
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: I literally don't know.

919
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: Godzilla. He was a legend, but I couldn't tell you

920
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: his on base percentage for the life of me.

921
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: He was a legend. He was uglier than Sin pretty

922
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: good play discipline. Matsui during his hey day was walking

923
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: and striking out basically the same Amountain but he had

924
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven he played one hundred and

925
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: forty three games, six hundred and thirty pas. He had

926
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: the exact same number of walks and strikeouts with twenty

927
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: five homers, one hundred runs hundre rubies.

928
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.

929
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: With the execu Matsu, we had a pretty good run.

930
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: He had a couple of years where.

931
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: He was like very injured, but that's because he was

932
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: eighty five, So yeah, he was.

933
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 2: He apparently came also came over twenty nine, which is

934
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: pretty similar in age, more similar actually to Studo and Akiyama.

935
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: But he just was so bad in the outfield. I

936
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't I would never take that.

937
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: Yes, like it was.

938
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: It was really bringing down his value. But as a

939
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 2: bad I mean the decue. Matsui was a real driving force,

940
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: so it was really talented Yankee teams in the early

941
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: two thousands. I would take kdecue Matsui's bat and see

942
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: Suzuki's arm and athleticism probably over Michael knfour though. Truly.

943
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's where I stand to I also

944
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: just have it in my head that Confordo there's no

945
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: shot he comes back, so I it just feels like

946
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: there's no actual possibility that he will be back on

947
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: the Mets this year. And then let's talk about as

948
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: we start to wrap it up here, let's talk about

949
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: the forty man action, because we did have some things

950
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: going on here. Rule five draft is on the precipice.

951
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: Ronnie Mauricio, Mark Viento, Jose Budo, and Adam Ahler got

952
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: added to the forty man roster, so those guys are protected.

953
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: The big news is the guys that they left off.

954
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: That is Carlos Cortes, Brian Medior I don't know how

955
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: to pronounce his name, Montoya Mettoyer, and Carlos Ringcone, who

956
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: could all get swept up. They could all get taken.

957
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know the realistic possibility of it, but they

958
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: are at least not protected right now.

959
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was kind of shocking, if I'm

960
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: being honest with you. I didn't see any reason why

961
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: the Mets to have left three guys off of their

962
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: forty man roster who all have pretty pretty substantial positives

963
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: to the name. They're not. These guys aren't perfect players

964
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: or even close to like sup good prospects by any means.

965
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: But there's something that all three of those guys do,

966
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: between Cortes, Motoya, and Rincon that I think a lot

967
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: of teams would love to have on their forty man roster.

968
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: Maybe not Ringcone, just because I can't see a team

969
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: leaving him on their roster all year next year, but

970
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: a Quil Badu did and it kind of worked out.

971
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: And also just because the Mets have tons of forty

972
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: man roster space.

973
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: And even if we don't have the space, which we do,

974
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: by the way, some of the guys that are sitting

975
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: on this forty man roster have no business. I mean,

976
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: Mark Peyton, Mark Payton were giving a spot to over

977
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: Carlos Cortes. There's no way where Mark Payton ever pays

978
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: off more than Carloscortes for this Mets team. I can't

979
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: see it.

980
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: Carls Cortes was in bet in the league average. Every

981
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: single minor league stop he's ever been in. Brian Motoya

982
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: would have one of the highest RPMs of any curveball

983
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball, and the Mets just showcased him in

984
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: the Arizona Fall League along with Carlos Cortez carlsbryn Cone.

985
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: They just made a trade for this year, and while

986
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: he has a massive strikeout raid, he rips the shit

987
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: out of the ball. I just don't see why the

988
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: Mets weren't going to leave these guys on unless they

989
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: were going to be aggressive and add some other players

990
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: who teams were scared to cut or non tender, like

991
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: during the forty men roster crunch. A team like the

992
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: Rays comes to mind, who always has a forty men

993
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: roster crunch. The Marlins just got a very exciting reliever

994
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: in Lewis Head for literally nothing, Like I can't comprehend

995
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: not leaving those guys with us and possibly just figuring

996
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: out another move, like you could cut these guys the

997
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: later date, that's not a big deal. But a team

998
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 2: that doesn't really have a ton of upper miners depth,

999
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: I can't comprehend not having Carlos Quartes and Carlos Ringcon

1000
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: with Syracuse next year.

1001
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like you just you go through this

1002
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: list of guys on the forty man and I mean

1003
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: we're giving a spot to Jake Reid Stephen Negosik. I

1004
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: mean like it's just it feels like, especially because there

1005
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: is room, why were they not added this especially? I mean, like,

1006
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: do you think that there's a realistic chance that Mottoyer

1007
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: or Carls cortesku get picked up on the Rule five?

1008
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: You think I think two of these guys will get

1009
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: picked up. I don't think all three. Someone will get

1010
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: left off, but every single guy has something. LaToya just

1011
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: has a good enough curveball that someone will probably tell

1012
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: themselves it's worth it just to bring him into major

1013
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: league spring training. Let him pitch in April and May,

1014
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: and if he catch lightning a bottle, he kept lightning

1015
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: in a bottle. They think about a guy like Garrett

1016
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: would luck.

1017
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw the Blue Jays take Elvis Luciano

1018
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: as a Rule five guy and play him in his

1019
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: nineteen year old season, just let him get shelled at

1020
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: the major league level all year, and they put him

1021
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: right and I think like high A or double A

1022
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: last year, and they're like, we have no interest in

1023
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: bringing him back up for a few years.

1024
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean bad Kill Badu is a guy who's

1025
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: checking out like twenty six percent in double lay or

1026
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: high I don't even remember what it was, and he

1027
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: just got hot and somebody just kind of gotta believe

1028
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: in yourself and it really really worked out for your KILLBD,

1029
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: Like Carlos from Cone could do that. Like he's a

1030
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: good enough athlete and he has enough power where a

1031
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: team will tell himselves it's worth it to have this

1032
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: guy on your roster, especially a team like the Pirates

1033
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: or the Tigers or the Rangers. The Rangers should pick

1034
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: up all three of these guys. We have like six

1035
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: guys in their forty band roster.

1036
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they played what was a Yanni Hernandez who's like

1037
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: five foot four plate third. I mean, Carlos Scortes can

1038
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: do what Yanni Hernandez was doing.

1039
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm confident Carls Courts has a twenty percent and the

1040
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: league average in double A, Like, I don't know what

1041
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: more you have to do. The proved you could probably

1042
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: hit in the major leagues if for that to happen.

1043
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: I thank Graft really roll the feature about him. So

1044
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure someone's gonna pick him up.

1045
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: Sweet love that love to hear that we're just letting

1046
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: guys go. Basically when we have space, we have plenty

1047
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: of room for them. It's just just frustrating that, Like

1048
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: we talk about how we don't necessarily have the greatest

1049
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: minor league depth, and some of the guys that are

1050
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: our depth pieces were just possibly letting get poachs this year,

1051
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: Like we just we just.

1052
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: Acquired Carlos from Comb, Like why isn't he at least

1053
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: just sticking around, like put him on the forty man roster.

1054
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: He was in Double A and he was better than

1055
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: the gaverage in Double A. Like he's very he's pretty

1056
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: similar to the clear league. Like why not just like

1057
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: let them both do it? If it's gonna be a

1058
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: player you plan to develop, like a player a style

1059
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: of player you plan to develop, there's no real issue

1060
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: with having two of them.

1061
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, like now doing this leaving these

1062
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: open spots on the forty men, I mean that tells

1063
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: us the Mets are gonna be aggressive. I guess that's

1064
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: what Steve was telling or talking about with Billy and

1065
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: the press conference, Like he's got the money, he's gonna

1066
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: use it, get the right players in, but there also

1067
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: hasn't been much. I mean, the guy we're connected to

1068
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: right now is Steven Mattz. That's it.

1069
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: Oh, we should have ways records to see if he's

1070
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: gonna get signed.

1071
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he's coming to the Mets. I really don't.

1072
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Wait, I'd be so shocked.

1073
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: There's eight other teams interested. Someone's gonna pay too much money, Like.

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Speaker 2: Are we gonna be aggressive down in the Rule five draft?

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00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: The Rule five draft, while it was very fruitful last season,

1076
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: has not really been super fruitful in years past.

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Speaker 1: You can get good little pieces by all means, but

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00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: you never it's hard major.

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Speaker 2: Two major pieces went got moved last year. Two guys

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00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: who are arguably building blocks. I'd say, who but doing whitlock.

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00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but at the time they weren't considered building Oh.

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00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: Of course not well, Carlos Qrtez right now, but carls

1083
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: Corteski get four hundred that bass next year for the

1084
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: Pirates the second base and hit like two sixty be

1085
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: rude netto o'dor? I mean, are you just saying that

1086
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: because they look similar?

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00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. They're both small and have massive

1088
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: thighs and big beards, big beards. But yeah, I mean,

1089
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: like I'd like for us to get some somebody, a

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00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: big name guy before the CBA expires, And I don't

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00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: know if that's gonna happen. I really don't.

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00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: I mean, no, probably not. I don't know. I just

1093
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: really don't. I mean, I'm happy at least they kept

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00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: Jose Budo and Allar because these are two guys are

1095
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: probably gonna pitch for the Mets next year, two guys

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Speaker 2: who we shadowed out a lot on this show, especially

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Speaker 2: over the summer. I just can't really see the vision,

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00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: especially not with making enough early moves. Like I understand

1099
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: wanting to have the flexibility, but it's not like this

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00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: forty man rosters crunched right now with talent, Like we're

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00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: not losing guys for the sake of losing them. Like

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00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: the Mets just basically said that they don't think these

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00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: three guys are worth developing, and I think that is

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00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: a real, real miscalculation. The forty man roster for the

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00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: Mets has a lot of Triple A guys, a lot

1106
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: of guys who are just born to play Triple A baseball.

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Speaker 2: And I guess then we just have to transition this

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00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: and how we're gonna close the show with. Last week,

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00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: in Billy Eppler's press conference, Steve Cohen said that money's

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00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: not an object. You can spend anything you want, so

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00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: they just do it. I guess, just if you're gonna

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00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: let all these guys go off the forty men roster,

1113
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: you'd better sign like eleven different new major league players.

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00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: Yes, so I was watching it on be Network the

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00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: other day. I think did we talk about on the

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00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: last episode. No, I don't think we did. I think

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00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: we talked about it at a bar one night and

1118
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: Joel Sherman whoever was hosting, and Buck Shaw Walter on

1119
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: and boy, let me just say this, I couldn't be

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00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: more sure that Buckshaw Walter would be a mistake to

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00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: be the manager if that ever does happen. So please

1122
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 1: don't let that happen. But Joel Sherman was talking about

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Speaker 1: the Mets offseason. He goes, while they're not a team

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00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: that's really gonna win right now, and I think we

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00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: both agree the way that this roster is, it's going

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00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: to be pretty hard to be a World Series contender

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00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: with the team that we have. But the Mets have

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Speaker 1: six picks in the top one hundred next year, and

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00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: seemingly those six guys are all gonna be in your

1130
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: top twenty five prospects in your organization, or they at

1131
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: least all should if you're drafting correctly, which the Mets

1132
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: have shown they've been able to do that recently. Must

1133
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: have drafted well. So you got six picks in the

1134
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: top one hundred, you got a couple guys that you

1135
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: could bring back in Stroman and Bias, who would definitely

1136
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: help out this team a ton. They would be huge

1137
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: guys to bring back make the team better. But you

1138
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: don't need to go after guys who have qualifying offers

1139
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: attached to them. There's one guy I would do it for,

1140
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: that's Carlos Korea and because he's one of the best

1141
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: players in the league. But otherwise, we shouldn't be going

1142
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: after guys with QoS attached to them because you're forfeiting

1143
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: those picks. You can get a lot of really good

1144
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: players right now without QoS attached to them. Gozman, right,

1145
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a QO attached to them.

1146
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: No, yeah, he played in the QO last year.

1147
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: Chris Brian doesn't have a qualifying offer attached to him.

1148
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: There's a couple more guys I'm forgetting right now. I

1149
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: should have wrote them down. Bad job by me. But

1150
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: there are guys available that you can get without losing picks,

1151
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: and still get those picks, and then at the deadline,

1152
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: see what you need, see what's available, see if you

1153
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: need to retool, revamp this roster. That's when you can

1154
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: make some moves. There's no reason for the Mets to

1155
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: really hemorrhage their future right now to try to win

1156
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: when they are steps away still. And I think people

1157
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: don't want to hear that, and that's I don't want

1158
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: to have this take either. But I can't believe I'm

1159
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: agreeing with Joel Sherman. I think that's the way to go.

1160
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: And even Joe DeMay was talking about on Twitter today too,

1161
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, I weirdly agree with you as well,

1162
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: Like there's just there is no reason to give up

1163
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: these picks when we have six of them, and then

1164
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: we can make moves of the deadline to go get players.

1165
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that, but getting players the deadlines

1166
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: are pretty inexact science, and you will always be paying

1167
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: more at the trade deadline than you will in an offseason,

1168
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: especially when you compare free agents to players that are

1169
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: on active rosters. That's always gonna be a tough sell,

1170
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: especially when your back is up against that deadline and

1171
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: the other team knows they have the leverage and you

1172
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: have your get your feet held to the fire. I

1173
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: think about all those Cups trades this year and how

1174
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 2: they kind of cleaned up on all three of their players,

1175
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: who are all objectively okay, rather than all objectively being

1176
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: superstars like we probably all once thought they were on

1177
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: people on Twitters where they are. I do see your vision,

1178
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: And this would be a much easier conversation if the

1179
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: Mets were able to lose a few more games and

1180
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: they would be able to keep their best picks and

1181
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: being able to give up second round picks instead. But

1182
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: just when a player like Carl's care as a free agent,

1183
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: you don't really see someone of that level of talent

1184
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: really available that often. Like I probably wouldn't give up

1185
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: the pick for like Trevor Story if he was signing

1186
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: less than a four year deal, but a guy like

1187
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: Carlos Carrea, I don't care at all about that pick still,

1188
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 2: no matter why I give him that money.

1189
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's the one guy really on the

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00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: free agent market right now that I don't care about

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00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: the qualifying offer at all. If Carlos Carey wants to

1192
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: come to the New York Mets, we want to pay him.

1193
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: You get him, it doesn't matter. He will be worth

1194
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: heaps and bounds whatever that pick could possibly be.

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00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: I believe that leaps and bounds.

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00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: Leaps and bounds, all right, Yeah, that's true. I don't

1197
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: know the sayings. I scream those up all the time,

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00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: but the rest of the guys, I just I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't do it if I'm the Mets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I'm with that take,

1201
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: especially because this Mets farm system is so obscure and

1202
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: so bizarre, and it's just so it lacks so much depth,

1203
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: even though we have so much talent at the top.

1204
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: Like there's not many pharmacistms in baseball who could boast

1205
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: like basically five bona fide major league baseball players like

1206
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: the Mets can three of them who I'd say have

1207
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: like incredibly high ceilings between Alvarez, Mauricio, and Baby, while

1208
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: I would say v and Khalie Lee are guaranteed major

1209
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: league bats at some point. You know this, I did

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00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: not mention one pitcher, but there's just nowhere else really

1211
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: behind that. Like we talked about Boodo and Aller, like

1212
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 2: they could make the major leagues and be okay, especially Budo,

1213
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: the guy really knows how to pitch. But there's literally

1214
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 2: no guaranteed all with those guys. So it would really

1215
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: help the Mets to get some kick basically some college

1216
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: pitchers and some college bats this next draft who could

1217
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: fill in the cracks a little bit better. But I

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00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: just always think that if you see a bona fide

1219
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: free agent talent and you don't have to give up,

1220
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: there's like no, there's like very little acquisition cost. It's

1221
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: just so worth it. Like I I understand I wouldn't

1222
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: sign four, but basically just Korea, maybe a long commitment

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00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 2: to story. Who else has a qualifying.

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00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: Offer, Secret will have a qualifying offer too.

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00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: I give to Cory Seger too.

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00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: Like Nick Castianos stay, well, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: I mean we've been we've been friendly on that team

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00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 2: this entire time.

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Speaker 1: Can't give it given up for him, Rise Oglesias. I mean,

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00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna go back to the Angels, but you

1231
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: can't give a qualifying offer for him. Robbie Ray can't

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00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: do it for him. Corey Seger know Simeon, that's a

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00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: tough one. That's a real, really really tough one.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know he had one. He

1235
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Speaker 2: probably wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Then that one's really tough story. Chris Taylor and Verlander's gone.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like Mets landa got a qualifying offer.

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Speaker 2: It can't be real.

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00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: You got one?

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Speaker 2: How could that be? What do you mean? How could

1241
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: Justin Verlander? Do you have a qualifying offer? Well he did.

1242
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you he received one.

1243
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: But there's players that I'm sure the Mets are interested

1244
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: in there. The only one I feel great about is

1245
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: Carlos Korea, and then the only other one I really

1246
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: consider is Marcus Simeon. And you really got to make

1247
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: me think about that one a little bit. But the

1248
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: rest of the guys you can't give up. You can't

1249
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: give up the Picksford Nick Cassianos for a corner offielder

1250
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: who can't play defense.

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00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: No, no way, no way, whatsoever. I don't want this

1252
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: Casios anywhere near this team.

1253
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: So I think the Mets have a really interesting offseason coming. Up.

1254
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of moves that can be made. This

1255
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: team should get better. There's no reason that they shouldn't.

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00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: There's no signs that are saying they won't. It just

1257
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: really depends what Billy Eppler is gonna do. Prove us,

1258
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: prove to us. Billy, prove to us, give us that trust.

1259
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: I want to trust you, show us that you can

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00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: do it, because it's scary.

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Speaker 2: It's very scary. But I think, I mean, I'm pretty

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00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: good here. I think that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it. We talked about I wanted

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00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: to be thirty forty minutes. I think we got it

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00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: to about fifty, so, you know, a little shorter than

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Speaker 1: we normally do. But I think it was a good episode,

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Speaker 1: Episode number sixty two of the mets Up Podcast. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for listening, Thank you for watching. If you're

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Speaker 1: watching on the YouTube channel just shirts up, search up

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Speaker 1: see you guys on the next episode of the Mets

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Speaker 1: Up Podcast, episode number sixty three.

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Speaker 2: Peace out, Peace up, guys. See you next time. P