1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Wednesday's edition, a big Blue kick off live 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. He's pauled A Tino. I'm 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Lance meddo with you for the next sixty minutes. Two 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: five one three is the telephone number. Hashtag Giants Chat 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter. It is all presented by Corp's Light. We're 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: gonna continue to preview the giants two thousand nineteen opponents. 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: Today We're gonna focus on another NFC North foe, and 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: that is the Chicago Bears, who had an extremely impressive 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen campaign, a dominant defense and opportunistic defense. 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: And I think, Paul, now, the key is can they 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: build off of that despite that Vic Fangio, their defensive coordinator, 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: is now the head coach of the Denver Broncos. Well, 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, we talk about this all the time as 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: to when a superstar coordinator leaves, how much of an 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: impact is it going to have on the guys who 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: were left behind. Now, just because he was a big 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: name coordinator who did great things doesn't necessarily mean that 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: he's leaving remnants in his wake. This could certainly wind 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: up being a very good defense. Numberless, the corps is 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: still together and to learn more about whether or not 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: this Bears defense can't pick up where it left off 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: with Vic Fangio, who's now Denver's head coach and now 23 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: joined by a very special guest to further break down 24 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: the Bears, and that is none other than Kevin Fishbane, 25 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: who covers the Bears for the Athletic Kevin, You've got Lance, 26 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: Meadal Paul Deatino here on Giants dot Com Big Blue 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. Greatly appreciate the time today. How's everything. I'm 28 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: doing well, guys, thanks for having me. Absolutely welcome. Kevin. 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: Let's start where Paul and I began the conversation initially 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: about the Bears, and there are a lot of question 31 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: marks for a team that looks solid last year and 32 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: had a heartbreaking postseason loss. But they lose Vic Fangio 33 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: and they bring in Chuck Pagano, an experienced coach and 34 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: experience coordinator. How much of a toll do you think 35 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: that's going to have on the defense, the fact that 36 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: you've got a new voice leading that group. Yeah, well, 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think Chuck Lagano is probably the best 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: option of all the of all the different people they 39 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: could have brought in. I mean, you couldn't really asked 40 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: for a better replacement for Vic Banjo than Chuck Plgano, 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: who how obviously a wealth of experience, especially in the 42 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: three four defense, and there's gonna be wrinkles and there's 43 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: gonna be learning curves and the guys have been upfront 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: and it's not it hasn't been necessarily easy. You know, 45 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: you're learning a new playbook. But this is a it's 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: an interesting group because it's still pretty young, but you 47 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: have a lot of guys who just experienced a lot 48 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: of success for the first time in their career, so 49 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: there's a lot of confidence. So you know, if there's 50 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: going to be a step back on defense, I don't 51 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: know if that's gonna be Chuck for Gowna related so 52 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: much so that they just set such a ridiculously high 53 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: bar last year with their numbers across the board. Um, 54 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: they were the best defense in football based on football 55 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: from a Football Outsider's dv o A metric in the 56 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: last seven years. So you know, it's just gonna be 57 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: really tough for them to stay healthy as healthy as 58 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: they did that last year and to you know, take 59 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: the ball away at the rate they did last year, 60 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: just because of the ebbs and flow of the NFL. 61 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be more of a reason that 62 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: they might step back as opposed to the impact of 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: having a new coordinator. I totally appreciate the fact that 64 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: you asked about the d C first lance, and his 65 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: answer is certainly a very well thought out But I 66 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: can't help but ask about the kitchen kicking situation. To me, 67 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: that's just the big pink elephant in the room, because 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: we know what happened last year in the playoff game 69 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: against the Philadelphia Eagles. And UH, correct me if I'm wrong. Now, 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: they've had like half a dozen guys come through the 71 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: door at the position over the course of the last 72 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: several months. I mean, it's musical chairs as they try 73 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: to solve this thing. How much confidence do they have 74 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: that they'll be able to make get it done. Yeah, 75 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: it's been the story of the summer. I like to 76 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: call the uh the the most attention grabbing job search 77 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: in Chicago this summer, right up there with mayor after 78 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: we elected our new marrit here. So, um, you know, 79 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: they had nine place kickers during rookie Mini nine UH nine. 80 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: I had the shot eight kickers and one hunter who 81 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: did some place kicking as well. They whittled that down 82 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: to uh four, that got whittled down to three, and 83 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: now we're heading into training camp with two. UM, and 84 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate what they're doing. This is the guy. I 85 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: can't believe there's ever been a kicking competition like this. UM. 86 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: They are doing everything they can to make this difficult, 87 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: to make this challenging. UM for the guys whose they're 88 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, make artificial pressure, you know, because 89 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: you know the physical aspects of kicking, that they'll be 90 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: able to do different things to figure out who's the 91 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: best pure kicker. But they're trying to find somebody who 92 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: had a very fickle position can handle the pressure, something 93 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Cody Parky couldn't do last year. UM. I actually had 94 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: a commentary on one of my stories bring this up yesterday, 95 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: which I hadn't really thought about. It's a very simple point, 96 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: but he said, why is everyone saying that kickers the problem? 97 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: Kicker was the problem last year and the Bears were 98 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: still pretty good even though they had a bad kick. UM. 99 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: So you know, I think the thing is is I 100 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: don't think this is going to be solved. I think 101 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: all year there's going to be a lot of tension 102 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: over who's kicking, and I do think it's going to 103 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: be a problem. I do think it could be a 104 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: hindrance for this team and it puts more pressure on 105 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: everybody else around them to improve to as send to 106 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: be better. Um, but they're just hoping to find their 107 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: own justin Tucker. I mean, you guys saw it in 108 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: New York last year. Um, the way the Giants were 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 1: able to try to find somebody you know that nobody 110 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: had heard of to be a good kicker. Um, that's 111 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,119 Speaker 1: what the Bears are hoping to do through this competition. Uh. 112 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised, guys if the two guys 113 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: who are heading to bourbon A training camp as the 114 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: kickers that neither of them is the week one kicker. 115 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: I think this still is a long way to go. 116 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: Truly amazing. You know, if they had to do it 117 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: all over again, would they have ever allowed Robbie Gold 118 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: to walk out the door? It's the ultimate question. You know, 119 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: Robbie had a rough summer that year. Um, he wasn't 120 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: great in the preseason. He was missing kicks that we 121 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: were not used to seeing him miss in training camp 122 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: and practice, and he was making a lot of money. Um. 123 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: And this was at the time was a new coaching staff. 124 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: We did not have necessarily connection to Robbie that the 125 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: previous coaching staff and previous regime had. And even Robbie 126 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 1: has understood that as from business standpoints, he wasn't kicking 127 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: at the level of what he was getting paid at 128 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: that time. Um. And he has acknowledged he changed his game. Um. 129 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: You guys saw it there with with his one with 130 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: the Giants and then certainly what he's done with the 131 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: forty niners. Um. But so it's hard to kind of 132 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: play that that game because at the time it was 133 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: still stunning, but it didn't make some sense. Obviously, nobody 134 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: thought that we'd be four the Bears would have four 135 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: or five different kickers kicking games now since Robbie last well, 136 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: and speaking of money, they invested a lot of money 137 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: in Cody Parkey, so you know that obviously is something 138 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: that's going to eat up some cash base. And the 139 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: reason I bring that up, Kevin, and this is just 140 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: pure speculation, but it's well documented. Robbie Gold has yet 141 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: to sign his franchise tender with Sanford cis go is 142 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: it possible Chicago will explore trade scenarios and could you 143 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: envision a situation where maybe they try to pursue Gold 144 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: and work something I would stay in friends. So I 145 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: think if we've learned anything from the Bears general manager 146 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: Ryan Pace, you can't rule anything out. He is very aggressive. 147 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: You know, if you guys told me last year the 148 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: Bears we're gonna trade for clil Mac, I think I 149 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: would have called you crazy. Um. I would have said, 150 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: no way. So you can't rule anything out, which I 151 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: think is a good thing with the general manager. My 152 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: issue with that scenario, guys is, if you're John Lynch, 153 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: why would you trade Robbie Gold. You're not gonna get 154 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: the Kickers, You're not gonna get a lot, and you're 155 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: not gonna you certainly don't want to trade them to 156 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: a team that's in the conference that is maybe a 157 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: Robbie Gold away from being a legitimate Super Bowl contender. UM. 158 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 1: I think yeah. And I think if you're John Lynch, 159 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: you you've you've played that game of chicken, and you 160 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: wait all the way till the you know, the Tuesday, Wednesday, 161 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,119 Speaker 1: Thursday of week one, because Robbie they the four narrats 162 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: have said, the Robbie can show up, that we can 163 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: kick and they'll be fine. It's not like a different 164 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: position on the field where you need that training with 165 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: the team. So I think if you're John Lynch, you 166 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: waited out and you just hope that he shows up 167 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: for that first team of the season, because I'm not 168 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: sure why. I'm not sure what he gets out of 169 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: sending Robbie Gold to a team that's in your conference. 170 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: When you're knocking, I mean, this is not a quarterback 171 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: or receiver. You can maybe get a second, third, fourth 172 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: round pick. This is a kicker. So I don't know 173 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: how much they would be able to even get from 174 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: the Bears for that. But again, if you're the Bears, 175 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: I think you do keep you have to keep that 176 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: possibility open. Well, Kevin, we started with defense, and I'd 177 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: like to go back there just a second before we 178 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: flip it to the other side of the ball. Printzon 179 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: m Kamara, former first round pick of the Giants, did 180 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: well with the Giants. I thought he was a good player. 181 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: He did have some injury issues and maybe at times 182 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: did not play up to the billing that maybe they 183 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: had hoped to get out of him, But it seems 184 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: to me after a pitch stop in Jacksonville. He has 185 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: played extremely well for the Bears, at least from Afar. 186 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: That appears to be the scouting report on him. What 187 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: has allowed him, in your estimation, to become a top 188 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: flight corner in this corner in this league. Yeah, well, 189 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting, guys, because his first year with 190 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: the Bears, it was really challenging for him because if 191 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: you looked at just his coverage, if you watched him 192 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: game by game, you could tell quarterbacks were out throwing 193 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: his side of the field. He had fantastic coverage. One 194 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: of the reasons Kyle Fuller had so many players in 195 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: the football in because quarterbacks weren't throwing at Prince and 196 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: then but he didn't have an interception, and then he 197 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: ended that drought. Last year he had three interceptions. He 198 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: had a really big pick six in Week two to 199 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: beat Seattle, and so the coverage was always there. It 200 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: was just now you've got to make plays and he 201 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: had to bring down the penalty number. The penalties were 202 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: an issue his first year in Chirkigray. He brought that 203 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: down um and he's just been a really steady player 204 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: for them where they can just kind of rely on him. 205 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: They don't have to worry that much about that side 206 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: of the field. Now. Durability, as you guys know very 207 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: well what Prince was least his issue. UM in New York, 208 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, even in Chicago, he's missed. He doesn't. He 209 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: still doesn't. Played sixteen games i think since the second 210 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: year in the league. So um and which is interesting 211 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: because this is someone that that that no one would 212 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: have a question his work as like or how he 213 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: takes care of his body. He just you know, happens 214 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: to be injury prone. Um. He played in fifteen games 215 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: last year, which is really helpful. So he's been fully healthy. 216 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: It's off season. But obviously he's thirty. You know, he's 217 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: getting to that point in his career where you wonder 218 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: how much more he can't ascend. Uh necessarily he's got 219 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: a big cap number coming up in but he's been 220 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: great for the locker room. Um. It was something I'm 221 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: sure you guys know from when his time in New York. Uh, 222 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: and he's just been just sout in coverage. I asked 223 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: somebody you know in the front office and said, you know, 224 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: how would you describe prints. They just said reliable, but 225 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: they just they're just able to count him. I think 226 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: a lot of that goes to his experience and kind 227 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: of his ability to know what he's supposed to do 228 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: every play. We're talking with Kevin fish Made, who covers 229 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: the Bears for the Athletic. The Giants are gonna visit 230 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: the Bears week twelve November is we're previewing the Giants 231 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen opponents staying in the second Jerry Kevin. 232 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: I think probably the biggest change for Chicago Secondary is 233 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: Adrian Amos, one of their safeties going to the rival 234 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: Greenbay Packers, and then Chicago filling the void, which I 235 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: think was a good value deal in bringing how Clinton Dix, 236 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: because correct me if I'm wrong. I think it was 237 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: only a one year, three million dollar deal compared to 238 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: what other safety's got. That was actually could go down 239 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 1: as a bargain deal. But how do you see the 240 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: dynamics changing because Eddie Jackson had such a great season 241 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: at the other safety spot in terms of bringing now 242 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: in how Clinton Dix and trying to fill the void 243 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: left behind by Adrian Amos. Yeah, it's really interesting because 244 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: Amos and Clint Dix are very different players. You know, 245 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: Adrian Amos was always in the right spot. He didn't 246 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: necessarily make a ton of players on the ball, but 247 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: you didn't have to worry about him. He was a 248 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 1: great tackler. Um. He started he started to kind of 249 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: help in the takeaway category of the last two seasons. 250 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: And then Clinton Dix is the type of guy who 251 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: has that playmaking ability, but it's also kind of prone 252 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 1: to giving up a big play. Um. One of the 253 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: reasons the Packlers trained him in the middle of last season. 254 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: I tell you what, guys, based on Twitter and message boards, 255 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: you talk about George Hollis, Vince Lombardi, Um, Hacklyn Dix, 256 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: Adrian Amos has really added to the Bears Chactor's fival 257 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: read um and as again, two different players, two different contracts, 258 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: but you're absolutely right. It was about value. It was 259 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: about getting a guy who wants to go ahead and 260 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: do approve a deal for a good team. He and 261 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: Jackson went to out, you know, both went to Alabama 262 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: and they know each other well, Um, and you know, 263 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: we're all interested to see how do two kind of 264 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: free safeties work together. You know, neither is known for 265 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: their run stopping ability. Uh, and that's where you rely 266 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: on Chuck Lagano. We all Chuck lgano specialty is safeties. 267 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: We all saw it happened with Ed Reid Um that is, 268 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: that's where he kind of got his starting University of Miami, 269 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: Pagano did. So. I think that's where if you're a 270 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: Bears faying, you're like, Okay, McDonald's going to figure this out. 271 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: You don't put these two guys together and you know 272 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: you have the faith that he's going to make sure 273 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: it works. It's gonna be different. But the Bears are 274 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: obviously kind of putting it, as he said, just a 275 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: three million dollar bet um. That's gonna work out pretty 276 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: well for them. Let me flip it over to the 277 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: offense for a second. How do you suppose this running 278 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: game is going to sort itself out? Nobody knows. It's 279 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: a huge mystery. And it's pretty funny too, because you know, 280 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: last year we had so many questions about what Jordan 281 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: Howard's role was gonna be, and he he ended up 282 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: being the number one back, like Matt Negumen telling us, 283 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,119 Speaker 1: but obviously he just wasn't as effective. My my assumption, 284 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: based on what I've seen what I've heard is David 285 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: Montgomery is going to be the guy. I think he 286 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: is going to be your first and second down back. 287 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: He's going to be the one that leads his team 288 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: and carries They love this kid, and um, you know 289 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: they trained out for him in the third round. He 290 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: looked really impressive, you know in O t as. Obviously 291 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: no pads done yet, you can't really tell, especially the 292 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: running back position, but I was trying to watch the 293 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: way he ran routes, which is something that was really 294 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: a limitation for Jordan Howard, and you can tell the 295 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: difference with Montgomery. Then you've got Mike Davis from Seattle. 296 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: I would imagine he'll be more of your third down back, 297 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: maybe you're inside the ten yard line guy. And then 298 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: there's THREECO and then you know, adding Montgomery and Mike 299 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: Davis maybe gives THREEC and more opportunities to be a 300 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: wide receiver UM and to line up in different places. 301 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he is, and he was last year the 302 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: most electric player on this team, and I expect him 303 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: to still be that way. And he's getting better. He's 304 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: his knowledge of the game is expanding, and Matt Nagi 305 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: is learning. Where can I how can I put this guy, 306 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: Treco in position to play well for us, and having 307 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: two other running backs there, maybe you don't need Treco 308 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: to have as many carries. Maybe you can do some 309 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: more things with him in other ways to get them 310 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: the ball in the open field. But um, you know, 311 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: back to the original promise, I think that David Montgomery 312 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: is gonna kind of run the show for this group well. 313 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: And as you noted, Matt Naggie is such a creative coach. 314 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: He loves to move guys around and try to maximize 315 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: their value. But you know, if you move Treco and 316 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: into more of a wide receiver role. I'm looking at 317 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: the roster Kevin, and you have Alan Robinson as he 318 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: was returning from a torn a, c L. Taylor Gabriel 319 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: who's a very similar jack of all trades guy. And 320 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: then they bring in court Darryl Patterson this offseason, who 321 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: was with New England, who you could also move around 322 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: in the backfield, in the slot and so forth. So 323 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: how does that perhaps then change the dynamics of what 324 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: Naggie does with the receiving corrid all. Yeah, it's it's 325 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: a weird thing in Chicago where I believe Musha Muhammed 326 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: years ago said Chicago's where wide receivers go to die. 327 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: It's not. Harlan Hill still owns the all time are 328 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: one of the receiving record. Johnny Morris is still the 329 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, the all time franchise leader and receiving yards 330 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: in the season. Like this goes back decades, guys. I mean, 331 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall is probably the best skilled receiver the Bears 332 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: I've ever had. Um, and now they finally have depth, 333 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: as you just said, so um, you know Tarik Cohen, Taylor, 334 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: Gabriel cordiall Patterson. I trying to put those three guys 335 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: in the same category as as your gadget player that 336 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: you know. Gabriel is gonna play a little bit more 337 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: receiver of a Patterson and Cohen can really move around 338 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: to a lot of different spots, and you're gonna see 339 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Patterson come out of the backfield. Uh. The one name 340 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: that I think everyone should really watch us here is 341 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Allen Robinson. Uh. If you go back to that fourth 342 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: quarter against the Eagles in the playoffs, he dominated, and 343 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: you know he was coming off the torn a c 344 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: l And we solve these little flashes here and there 345 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: of the abilities that he has a number one receiver. 346 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: He's still very young. Um, he's had a fully healthy 347 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: off season. Now, I think he's prying for really big 348 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: numbers this season, even in an offense that kind of 349 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: is known for spreading the wealth. Anthony Miller in the 350 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: year two. Um, there's a lot of high expectations inside 351 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: the building for him. But yeah, it's gonna be you know, 352 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: it's a lot of competition there and it's gonna be 353 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: kind of a challenge for Naggy to find ways to 354 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: get these guys in, get them the ball, and figure 355 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: out where they go best. Um, but it is. It 356 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: is kind of um for the Bears. It's just weird 357 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: to to spend the summer being like trying to figure 358 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: out how you get these guys at the ball, as 359 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: opposed to pass summers where you're trying to figure out 360 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: who the heck are they gonna throw the ball too. Yeah, 361 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: it's a good problem to have. To your point, Kevin, 362 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm an offensive line junkie, so I don't mind 363 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: telling you that. Even though I didn't think Bobby Massey 364 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: was an outstanding tackle when I looked at free agency, Uh, 365 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: I guess it was last December, guys who were going 366 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: to be coming up and coming up to UFA status. 367 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: I looked at Massey and I said, you know what, 368 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: he might be the best uf A right tackle out there. 369 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: That might be an interesting target for some teams like 370 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: the Giants, who would be looking for a veteran right tackle. Well, 371 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the Bears didn't let that happen. They decided to retain 372 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: him at a pretty good buck. I'm kind of curious 373 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: as to what you think they're thinking was and keeping 374 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: Massy around see even better than I thought? Is that 375 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: why they figured they could not afford to lose him. Yeah, 376 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: it's a great point. And I think when the when 377 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: the contract first got announced, people are like, wait a 378 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: second while they tame buying Massy this much money, and 379 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: then you start to see what happens when free agency 380 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: begins and you realize, oh, they got the selves a 381 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: little hometown discount um, and now you're able to bring 382 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: back off five starting offensive lineman. Buying Massey's first game 383 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: as a Bear, he was a turnstyle. The Texans just 384 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: abused him. This was two thousand sixteen and he had 385 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: just signed a three or eighteen million dollar contract and 386 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: ever since then, he's just been that. He Remember in 387 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: the middle of last year, I talked to Harry he 388 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: stay in the offensive line coach. I said, Harry, we 389 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: never asked you about Bobby Massey. And he kind of smile. 390 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: He goes, that's a good thing. That means that none 391 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: of you are ever noticing him. And as you know, 392 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: with an offensive blind him the best thing to have 393 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: talking about you. And that's kind of what he's been. 394 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: That that that you just don't see him giving up 395 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: big plays, you know, at a at a rate that 396 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: that would be unacceptable. He he just you know, he's 397 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: not going to be a pro bowler. He's not going 398 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: to be kind of the he's not going to any 399 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: highlight reel like Quentin Nelson, you know, going to the 400 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: second level and just running guys over. He's just gonna 401 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: do his job. He's got great size over there. He 402 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: knows the game well. And this is a group now 403 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: the tire starting five is back. Four of those five players, 404 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: this is gonna be their fourth year playing together, which 405 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: is really hard to do in the NFL, and bringing 406 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: Massey back was part of making network. Yeah, I think 407 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: that's a great point about the continuity of the offensive line. 408 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: The only question mark though, not because of his skill set, 409 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: but just because of his durability. Kevin is Kyle Long, 410 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: who plays right next to Bobby Massey at the right 411 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: guard spot. You know, he struggled even played ten games 412 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: over the last few seasons. What's his outlook, what's his 413 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: health concerns at this point? Yeah, Kyle Long said to 414 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: us right before the winner break, he said, I got 415 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: an he goes, I'm injury free, surgery free of the 416 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: soft season last year. He had give four surgeries from 417 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: the end of twenty seventeen. Um, you know, leading he 418 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: would practice, you know, two practices in the row and 419 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: take a day off, another practice, take a day off, 420 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: and then he had kind of the freak uh you know, 421 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: foot injury late in the Jets game that kind of 422 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: kept him out all the way until the season finale. 423 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: And then he was able to play in the playoff game, 424 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: and he admitted he didn't play well in that playoff game. 425 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: So I think for him, you know, the most of 426 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: his injuries have really been these freak things that have happened. 427 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: You go back to the really brutal ankle injury in 428 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: sixteen where he just got rolled over in the back 429 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: by a fullback. You know, similar situation with the foot 430 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: injury this past year. Um, you know, this is someone 431 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: who is incredibly athletic. I'm actually, I'll give a tease. 432 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm working on a story right now about how great 433 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: of a baseball player he was back in high school. 434 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: People forgetting this guy who went to Florida State to 435 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: play baseball. Um, you know the thing with Kyle Long 436 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: when he came out of college, For him, it was 437 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: just you were so much bigger, stronger, fashion than everybody else. 438 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna be fine. Now that he's thirty, he's been 439 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: in the league for a long time now, his technique 440 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 1: is much better and he's learned that he, you know, 441 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: ways to win without just kind of relying on his 442 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: brute strength. So the best thing I can say about 443 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: Kyle no surgeries as offs. He's been fully healthy. He 444 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: was out there every practice this spring, which is way 445 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: in the last year. And you just hope that that 446 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: that can help. And you know, I don't know if 447 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: he's ever going to get back to when he was 448 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: a pro bowler, but I still think it you'd be effective, 449 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: and certainly should you know, is set up to play 450 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: a fuller season this year, just because he hasn't had 451 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: any issues this spring Lands. This may be the first 452 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: time we've had a guest on the program to talk 453 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: about a team and left the quarterback to last. But 454 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: but but we are. We are going to get to 455 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: miss Robinsky as as we get down to the final 456 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: minutes with you and and to be honest, you know, 457 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: it was a rookie. I was not very impressed. I 458 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: wasn't real high on him coming out of school and 459 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: and I didn't think he did anything to get me 460 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: excited as a rookie. And then last year the productivity 461 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: was there. Now, I will tell you from not being 462 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: able to watch him a whole lot, I don't know 463 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: how much of that was managing a game, how much 464 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: of it was smoking mirrors. If you could give me 465 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: your honest evaluation of how good Trobinsky was in year 466 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: two and how much upside do you think there is 467 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: in year three? Yeah, well, yeah, you guys didn't get 468 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: the same out there in the Meadowlands left the stuff. Yeah, 469 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: So you know, I think by the end of the season, 470 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: one of the reasons Mitch got to be his numbers 471 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: improved was he kind of became a little bit of 472 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: a game manager, and I don't missily mean that negatively, 473 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: because he was learning how to read defenses and take 474 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: with defensive were given him. I look back to Week 475 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: one Packers, they decided to play his own defense and 476 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: the Bears were not ready for it, and Mitch really 477 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: had issues throughout the game. You fast forward December, same 478 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: Packers defense. They ran a similar scheme and he picked 479 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: him apart. He one of his best games of the 480 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: season because he was able to learn from that. And 481 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of let's kind of 482 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: corral him and let's be careful. Um. You know, you 483 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: saw the deep ball look great in late to September 484 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: against Campaign and then they kind of reined it in 485 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: a little bit. So I thought last year he was 486 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: better than I expected. I think he was slightly above average, 487 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: but he still, you know, just made those throws that 488 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: made you scratch your head. You know, he made the 489 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: ball come out of his hand and everybody and that 490 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: would be like what are you doing kind of said 491 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: kind of throws. He had way too many of those. 492 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: I think in the fourty Niners game he had back 493 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: to back dropped interceptions. Um. In that game and you 494 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: just had so you had way too many moments of that. 495 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: So for him this year, he has to cut that down. 496 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: I think from a physical perspective, guys, he's got everything 497 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: it takes, and we saw a lot of that mobility 498 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: that makes him special last year. He's got a cannon 499 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: um and he throws a pretty deep all they just 500 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: kind of didn't do it as much as as in 501 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: the second half of the season. We saw a little 502 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: bit as they kind of rallied back into the Eagles. 503 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: He had a great second half against Eagles, but he 504 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: needed to because he had a bad first half. So 505 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: that's the thing with him that he has to put 506 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: full games together. He has to be more consistent. I 507 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: hate I'll do this for you guys. If I'm on 508 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: Chicago radio, i never say his name, but for New 509 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: York I'll say there's a little Ja Cutler. Not in 510 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: his um, not from a emotional or off the field standpoint. 511 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: He's everything you want off the field um and in 512 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: terms of leadership. But on the field, he's got a 513 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: little gun slinger. He's got all the tools, and then 514 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: sometimes he just makes those throws that make you go, 515 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: oh no, what are you doing so this year. The 516 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: key for him if he can get rid of those throws, 517 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: and he's going to have just a natural growth from 518 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: being second year in the offense, third year in the NFL, 519 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: better weapons, offensive lines back. There's going to be a 520 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: natural improvement just because of all those things around him. 521 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: He's gonna be much more comfortable and confident. I think 522 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna help. Now, he's just got to get rid 523 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: of those throws. So I'm not gonna sit here and 524 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: say that he's gonna put up you know, you know, outstanding, 525 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, crazy numbers. I think he should be better 526 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: than he was last year. Um, and if he finds 527 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: a way to become more consistent, then you can start 528 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: talking about a guy who is a little bit more 529 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: deserving of the Pro Bowl. Not he did get one 530 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: last year, but I think I think he can. He 531 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: has the abilities to at to that level. Um, that's 532 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: just gonna come with comfort and knowledge the game and 533 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: affording those bath throws well. And not to build in excuses, 534 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: but I think personally, Kevin, you hit it right on 535 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: the nose, and that's why I don't think it should 536 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: be a subtle part of the commentary. But you know, 537 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: people forget his rookie year, He's working with a different 538 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, a different head coach, and then all of 539 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: a sudden, Matt Naggie comes in, Helfridge comes in, and 540 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: now it's a new scheme. So you know, you look 541 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: at Mark Sanchez, you look at Alex Smith in the 542 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: early stages of their career, as I point to, and 543 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm not selling them as unbelievable Hall of Fame quarterbacks, 544 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: but they had a game of revolving doors with the 545 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. So I think that's a key component about 546 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: him now having year two under the same coach, the 547 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: same coordinator. I mean, that could very well do wonders 548 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: for still a young developing QB. Oh. Absolutely, you know, 549 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: Ryan Pace came from New Orleans and he's always talked 550 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: about the Sean Payton Drew Brees connection, and obviously his 551 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: dream is that Matt Naggee and Mr Trabissy can be 552 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: like that and paired together. Now makes you wonder why 553 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: hired John foxon first place. That's what he kind of wanted. 554 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: But that's the story for another day. But you know, 555 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: you're you're totally right. I almost never even look back 556 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: at what Mischi did his rookie year because it was 557 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: just you know, you get the playbook that he's never 558 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: going to use again. You knew that once to thee 559 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: once he got in the game, you knew this coach 560 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: and staff was not gonna last. Um, he had a 561 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: terrible group of wide receivers. Uh you know, if you 562 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: look at the three top receivers on that team last year, 563 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: most of them weren't on a laster by the end 564 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: of last season. Uh, you know, So there were so 565 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: many things and he's just being a rookie. Remember this 566 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: is someone that only started eleven games in college. Um, 567 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: you know coming into the NFL. So it is that 568 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: there's going to be just what what we see around 569 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: the league when a quarterback goes from one year one 570 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: of year two in the same playbook. There's just gonna 571 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: be this confidence, has comfort that he's gonna be able 572 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: to make throws that he wasn't maybe comfortable making. And 573 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: the other thing. Two guys, you know, we talked to 574 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: Eli about Matt and Maggie's creativity. He's gonna be able 575 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: to be a lot more creative and he's to have 576 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: a bigger playbook available for Mr Bissy one thing that's 577 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: been a theme of the spring is last spring they 578 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: would watch Alex Smith and the Chiefs offfice. That was 579 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: the tape that they watched. They didn't watch any of 580 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: the two thousand seventeen Bears, and I would hope for 581 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: the sake of the sport of football, all those tapes 582 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: are burned forever. But this this spring they've been able 583 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: to go back and watch the two eighteen Bears, and 584 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: that's so helpful for everybody out off. Yeah. I think 585 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: that's a key observation. And the reason why they would 586 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: watch the Chiefs, of course for the audience's sake, is 587 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: because Naki came from Ksey. He was an assistant under 588 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: Andy Reid. He is Kevin Fishman covers the Bears for 589 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: the athletic Kevin, great job. Really appreciate the time in 590 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: the inside. Thanks so much for joining us today. Thank 591 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: you all right, thank you guys. Absolutely, that is Kevin 592 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 1: Fishman once again weighing in on the ins and outs 593 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: of the Chicago Bears. And it goes without saying the 594 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: kicking competition is going to be something to watch. He 595 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be too concerned with Vic Fangio to 596 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: Chuck Pagano that transition, though there was some person and 597 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: l that has changed. And I agree with him that 598 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: the Mitchell Drabinsky year two under the offense. I mean, 599 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: that's the natural progression of any young quarterback. Stability. Provide 600 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: the quarterback with stability, and usually good things or at 601 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: least consistency will follow. Well, you know, the one thing 602 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: that that he said, and he tried to say that 603 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: it would not be a negative, is that Drabinsky became 604 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: more of a game manager. Look, we learned many years 605 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: ago under Tom Coughlin, who really was insistent upon the phrase, 606 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: more games are lost than they are one in this league. 607 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is he's right. That's what 608 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: this has turned into. The quicksand of mediocrity basically means 609 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: the team that makes more penalties, makes more mistakes, has 610 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: more turnovers, goof's up, busted assignments, etcetera, etcetera. That's the 611 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: team that's going to lose. The margin for error in 612 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: this game has changed dramatically over the years because these 613 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: teams us so closely packed together. So you know, when 614 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: you consider that philosophy, well, you know, you don't want 615 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: your quarterback to be more of that gunslingered kind of mentality, 616 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: because that's going to play against the percentages. Well, the 617 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: mistakes will pile up and you'll dig yourself in a 618 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: hole and you won't be able to overcome that. And now, 619 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: on the flip side, by the way, Chicago is one 620 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: of the most opportunistic teams. But like anything else, and 621 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: we've even seen this with the Giants, just because you're 622 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: a plus twelve in turnover differential, Paul one year, you 623 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: can't just sign up and so we're gonna pick up 624 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: where we left off. It doesn't work like that in 625 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: the NFL, not at all, Not at all. In fact, 626 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: I think of of any of the quote key stats 627 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: that people like to follow, that's the one that translates 628 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: the least to next season. It's a flukey number. Now, 629 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm a believer that you can create your opportunities. I 630 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: buy that, but I also don't buy that. Well, you 631 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: could tell me you were plus twelve one year doesn't 632 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: mean now of a sudden, you're guaranteed to be in 633 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: the plus eight range. At least I've seen teams that 634 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: we've seen it more often than not, Paul. You go 635 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: from plus twelves almost minus five in the blink of 636 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: an eye. So the Bears need to be careful that 637 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: they're not relying on that because that was such a 638 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: key component of their team, not just their defense, special 639 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: teams too in terms of what the return game did. 640 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's open up the phone lines here in 641 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: the second half of the program, Lance Metal Paul to 642 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: Tino with you here Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by 643 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: Corp's Light. Tony is in d C. Tony, Welcome to 644 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: the program. What do you got for us? Hey, Jent's 645 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: been talking to you. Hi. Same here. We'll tell you 646 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: about So. I have some kind of old football questions 647 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: that I want to get you, kind of that wants 648 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: to take on, you know, try to stretch your memories 649 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: and some old football times. And it relates to the Giants. 650 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: So talking to my pop about this whole Damiel Jones 651 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: elt Manning thing, and he was saying that from his memory, 652 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: this is one of the most um unique situations that 653 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: France Tis has ever been in. And I was asking, 654 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: what do you mean, see if you see, if you 655 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: can think of a time like this. My dad was 656 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 1: saying that he cannot remember when a quarterback with the 657 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: pedigree of Eli that was healthy and wanted to play, 658 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: was in this position because a lot of other quarterbacks 659 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: that we compared this to, you know Montana, you know, 660 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: his brother Peyton, and um far my dad was saying 661 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: those quarterbacks were injured, or they were or they know 662 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: if they wanted to play anymore in Brett father's case, 663 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: but that's not the case with Eli, Manning, Tom Brady, 664 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger. These guys are winners, they're healthy, 665 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: and they want to play. So he was saying that 666 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: no team knows how to handle this, and I thought 667 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: that was very interesting. You know, I just want to 668 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: see if you guys kind of see it that way 669 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: or make you think of no. You know, it's funny 670 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: you bring this up because I was just thinking about 671 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: this the other day because I continue to get hammered 672 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: about quarterback questions with the Giants and no matter where 673 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: I go, and I was thinking about this, and I said, Okay, well, 674 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: let's see the great quarterbacks in Giants history. Charlie Connolly 675 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: was allowed to retire on his own, although again Tittle 676 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: was there at the end of Connolly's career and they 677 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, passed a baton a little bit, 678 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 1: but he was allowed to retire. Uh. Tittle was allowed 679 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: to retire because he was shot. You know in nineteen 680 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: sixty four was his was his final season. The team 681 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: was going nowhere and he was done. Uh. Phil Sims, 682 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: you know, yes, he was cut, but he was injured 683 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: and he wound up retiring. Uh. Then you look at 684 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: you know, Jeff Hostetler, will now he was traded Hostetler. 685 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: You know, Dan Reeves came in in ninety four after 686 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: the ninety three season. Phil It had the rotator cuff 687 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: surgery in the spring of ninety four. Um and and 688 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: Dan Reeves, Uh, I'm sorry, Yeah, Dan Reeves wanted to 689 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: keep Phil, but because of the rotator cuff surgery, George 690 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: Young deemed him with the salary cap in stuff, not 691 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: a good risk, so they cut him. Um but but 692 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: but but it was Dan who when he got the 693 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: coaching job going into the ninety three season, said the 694 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: heck with this competition between Hostetler and Sims, Simms is 695 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: my guy. And they got rid of Hostetler. Um So, 696 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: so you know that was kind of I guess in 697 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: one way, although host didn't have the resume and he 698 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: wasn't like an established start over a long period of time. 699 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,959 Speaker 1: That's kind of a little bit kind of in the 700 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: other in the other vein Carrie Collins, as you may recall, 701 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: the Giants drafted Eli. Collins came in the next day 702 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: and said, I want no part of this being a 703 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: mentor for him. You better get rid of me, And 704 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: so erniea Corsi acquiesced and said, okay, you're cut. I 705 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: mean it was that simple. Uh. And now we look 706 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: at Eli so and obviously you understand the Kurt Warner 707 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: situation because when he signed here at a one year deal, 708 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: they had already drafted Eli Man because Collins was cut, 709 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: they side water and told Warner you're gonna be here 710 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: for a one year placeholder because he lies our quarterback 711 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: next year. This is a chance for you to resuscitate 712 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: your career and a chance for us to give Elie 713 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: somebody to learn from. So they all knew what was 714 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: going on with that deal. So you are right in 715 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: some degree here where it's a it's a It is 716 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: a rather unique situation where you have a quarterback, in 717 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: my opinion, still playing at a high level. Uh, if 718 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: he still wants to play and This is why I 719 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: tell people all the time, don't be foolish, don't close 720 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: the book on Eli Manning just yet. The possibilities are 721 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: still endless here. If the Giants perform well and Eli 722 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: Manning is healthy and he still wants to play, and 723 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: they are playoff team this year, which don't discount that, 724 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: I think. I think Eli is getting to come back 725 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty now he made happy back in one. 726 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: But I see no reason why the Giants would not 727 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: want to go through the natural progression of perhaps being 728 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: a first round off team this year. If they can 729 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: get in and then say, with the core we have, 730 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: why not go with Eli one more year? Because if 731 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: you if you make it to the playoffs this year. 732 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: And I know the Kansas City had to Alex Smith 733 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: deal with with Mahomes and it worked out real well 734 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: for them. I understand that. But more often than not, 735 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: you throw a first year's starting quarterback into the mix 736 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: of a team that that should be making a progression 737 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: to the next level of the playoffs, you're asking for trouble. 738 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: It's risky, and chances are you're gonna you're gonna underachieve 739 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: because that first year's starting quarterback is probably gonna suffer 740 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: some more lumps than what you'd like. So if you're 741 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: the Giants and you can squeeze into the playoffs this year, 742 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna say, you know what the progression is that 743 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna be a contender in two thousand twenty. And 744 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: if Eli is still healthy and can play, why wouldn't 745 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: you bring him back? It would be insanity not to 746 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: bring you Lie Manning back in two thousand twenty. Well, 747 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: that's why I don't think this situation is that unique, 748 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: because we don't know how it's gonna end with you. 749 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: It may get to the point where Eli decides to 750 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: hang it up and the Jones takes over. So I mean, 751 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: I think we're getting really ahead of ourselves. And and 752 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: I don't think this is unique because Alex Smith, you 753 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: brought up Kansas City. I'm not comparing how it's gonna 754 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: work out. But the bottom line is Alex Smith had 755 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: an unbelievable two thousand seventeen season. Patrick Mahomes got in 756 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: the last game because they already clinched the playoffs, and 757 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: then they decided to trade him because Washington obviously gave 758 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: them an offer and they were ready to hand over 759 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: to Patrick Holmes. But Alex Smith is still performing at 760 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: a high level. If they would have kept Alex Smith, 761 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: I could say he could go into the two thousand 762 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: eighteen season as the staughter and mahomes still since it 763 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: certainly could have happened to you. But but here's the thing. 764 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: And Alex Smith, I like alexan see the great player 765 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: number one in the draft. We all know that. But 766 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: when you're talking about the pedigree of the Manning Brothers, 767 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: Brett far Joe Montana, it's not Alex Smith like like 768 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: for instance, it would be, from what my father was 769 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: telling me, unusual to not allow a quarterback with that 770 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: pedigree that you you know, that you traded for and 771 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,919 Speaker 1: we traded one technically, but you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 772 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: he said it would be unusual to retire there. Marina 773 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: retired where he started. Oh wait, did these players were 774 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: a cut above where they were? They were full time 775 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: with Montana, he was going for two years with an elbow. 776 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: Was very different, I understand. And out of the lineup 777 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: Steve Young and Montana. Yeah, I think Look, here's the thing. 778 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: I think what people need to understand. If the circumstances 779 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: are right for Eli to come back, unless he decides 780 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to. Okay, I I do think the 781 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: circumstances of the dominoes are in the right row. You 782 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: do bring Elive back for because Daniel Jones, in my opinion, 783 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: has nothing but benefit to gain from sitting behind Elive 784 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: for two years instead of one. I really, I really 785 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: believe that. I think as a two year sponge, provided 786 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: the circumstances are right, it's better for every rebody that 787 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones takes over in two thousand twenty one. And also, 788 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: by the way, Tony Brett Farve really didn't go out 789 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: on his own terms from Green Bay. If you recall, 790 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: there was speculation he was gonna retire and they were 791 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: gonna hand it over to Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, but then 792 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 1: but then he tells the team he wants back in 793 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: and then he Yeah, he did a reverse. I know, 794 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: I know it did. But Brett wasn't you know, he 795 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily at the point where he was ready to 796 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: completely call it quits. I mean, he was ready to 797 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: still play, and that's why he wound up with other 798 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: teams before. But all I'm saying is I I don't 799 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: think this is as crazy unique as we're making it 800 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: out to be. And and that's because you're putting Eli 801 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: Manning in a pedigree opposite some of these other quarterbacks 802 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 1: simply because he won Super Bowls. I mean, Alex Smith 803 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: has been in the NFL for quite some time. Alex 804 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: Smith just doesn't have a ring. So I mean you're 805 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: sort of separating the group. I'm not necessarily looking at 806 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: that way. I look at it as you have an 807 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: established quarterback, still performing, still productive, and they go in 808 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: and they draft another guy. I mean the Chargers had 809 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Philip Rivers sat for two years, Okay, I 810 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: don't I don't think many people remember that Rivers came 811 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: in and O four and then Breeze left and then 812 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: Rivers got the job. Did Rogers sit for four Well, 813 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: Rogers was in O five and then there was still 814 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: there for oh seven. He didn't come until oh eight, 815 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: so three years. So for everybody to say that you 816 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: draft a quarterback, he's got to come in that year 817 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: the following year. I don't think they're looking at the 818 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: archives correctly because we just gave you two where you 819 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: at a quarterback sit for two or three years. This 820 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: rule about you draft the guy in the first round 821 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 1: as a quarterback and he's got to play year one 822 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: or even year two is ridiculous. It depends on the 823 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,720 Speaker 1: circumstances in the situation. There's nothing that says Daniel Jones 824 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: has to be the starter this year or next nothing. 825 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: And it hit my second question and I'll let you 826 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: guys go. Now, this is a little, you know, way 827 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: off to be passing old giant stuff. I am of 828 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: the opinion that if Phil Simms had played, and that's 829 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: because you go to films early and I want to 830 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: ask you about him, if Phil Simms played in that 831 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: second Super Bowl that the Gihnts won, he would be 832 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. I think that because of 833 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: the benchings and all of the media craziness around the 834 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: John's during that time. Because when you look at other 835 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: guys that I know, he was playing with Warren Moon 836 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: and John Ewie and Demrick and Joe much so I 837 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: understand he didn't make a whole lot of All Pros 838 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: and Pro Bowls like all those other great quarterbacks. But 839 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: he didn't have great receivers either. To be honest, I mean, 840 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: when when you know Mark Mark Bavaro. His tight end 841 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: was his was his number one passing threat. I mean 842 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: outside of his rookie season running around out there. You know, no, no, 843 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: he had to earn his Gray and Johnny Perkins early. 844 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: Then he had lion On Manuel and Bobby Johnson later. 845 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: And you know, Mark Pavarro was his thousand yard threat. 846 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: That was his guy. And when you consider that the 847 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: tight end is really the only big time key threat 848 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: in the passing game, and the winds of the meadowlands, 849 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: and that the fact that the Giants were a run 850 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: based organization. Look, I'm with you. If Phil Phil had 851 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: played and won that second Super Bowl, it'd be awfully 852 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: hard for them to keep them out. I also, quite 853 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: frankly cringe every time I look at the stat sheet 854 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 1: and I see the hundred touchdown passes because Mark Jackson 855 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: dropped what would have been career touchdown number two hundred 856 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: inside the Cowboys ten yard line all right in the 857 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: season finale of ninety three, when Eddie Murray wound up 858 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: coming down to kick in the overtime field goal to 859 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: beat the Giants and force them into the wild card round. 860 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: If Mark Jackson had just caught that that ball with 861 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: like so much real estate in front of him, he 862 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: could have crawled into the end zone. Phil would had 863 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: his two hundred touchdown pass, the Giants would have won 864 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: the division and they would have avoided having to go 865 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: out to San Francisco in the second round after having 866 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: to win a wild card game. They were beating up, 867 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: they were tired, they were hurting, and they got smoked 868 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: by the Niners. I mean, I I don't even want 869 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: to think about what might have happened. Had Mark Jackson 870 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: caught that touchdown pass given philm number two hundred, the 871 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: Giants would have made some waves in that postseason. I'm 872 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: telling you that right now. Yeah, and I'm saying, look 873 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: at Troy Aikman's numbers compared to Phil Jackson, not that different. 874 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: Phil sims. Yeah, Like that's all I'm saying. Thanks, God's 875 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: love the show, all right, Tony the phone call, Thanks 876 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 1: so Ray. And it's funny because as Tony was talking, 877 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: I brought up Troy Aikman's numbers because that's where I 878 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: was gonna go. So we were thinking on the same 879 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: wave he was in those Super Bowl victories, though he 880 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: he engineered those, and then Phil did not play his 881 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: second I'm not the foot. I'm certainly not making a 882 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: case that Aikman doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. 883 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: That's not where I was gonna go. I was just 884 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: in terms of the touchdown interception ratio that you were 885 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: talking about. Aikman's got one sixty five, whereas Sims has 886 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: one ninety nine. So I guess my point is that 887 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: two hundred number, to me is not necessarily indicative of 888 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Not but it's one of those against 889 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: standard numbers that we like to talk about in the 890 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 1: stats world. Two hundred touchdown passes, especially at the time 891 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: when Phil retired, was a monumental number nowadays in video 892 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 1: game football number. But you know, Phil had um the 893 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 1: the four thousand yard season when it was not extremely popular. Okay, 894 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: Phil had a five hundred yard passing game against the 895 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals, again at a time when the passing game 896 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: was not video game football like it is today. Um, 897 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: you know he got the Super Bowl MVP with the 898 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,439 Speaker 1: greatest Super Bowl passing performance by a quarterback in NFL history. Uh, 899 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, the the guy's got the guy's got some 900 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: pelts now on his belt and certainly deserves some consideration 901 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: and never gets any which is offensive to me. But 902 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: again I understand the true context of Phil's career. Most 903 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: people around around the country don't when his name comes up, um, 904 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: but I get the point that if he plays in 905 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: that second Super Bowl and wins it, it's gonna be 906 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: real hard for anybody. That changes the conversation, it changes everything. 907 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: He got extra hardware on your resume, and he knows that. 908 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: And I and look, he was incredibly devastated by that 909 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 1: broken foot that he suffered at the hands of the 910 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: Bills Bruce Smith, a giant stadium and the horrible sleet, rainy, cold, 911 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,919 Speaker 1: nasty day in a game against the Bills. Phil Phil 912 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: knew that that was like his chance to get another one, 913 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: and and it you know, he he got one, but 914 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: he didn't get to play in the game. Well, it 915 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,760 Speaker 1: kills him. I think you bring up a very interesting point, 916 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, and I think you can have this conversation 917 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,840 Speaker 1: in the NBA basketball terms too, about the context of 918 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: the era and when you evaluate a player, how important 919 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: it is to know the style of play was it 920 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: pass heavy, run heavy, so that you can at least 921 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,720 Speaker 1: compare that quarterback to others of his era as opposed 922 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,800 Speaker 1: to for example, if you compared Phil Sims to Patrick Mahomes, 923 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,439 Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, whatever Mahomes is gonna 924 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: put up that we're getting ahead of ourselves. But let's 925 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: project that he stays healthy. I mean, it's going to 926 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: be almost like two guys in two separate leagues. Essentially, 927 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna be apples and oranges. And that's the problem 928 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: because it's very difficult to put things into context as 929 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: the years move on. And it's a shame because and 930 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: and and, to be honest with you, and it's not 931 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: even fair to the guys before that because, let's face it, 932 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,399 Speaker 1: they didn't really start throwing the ball. You don't until 933 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: the late fifties, of course, where they really started to 934 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,479 Speaker 1: to make the passing game part of what was really 935 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,720 Speaker 1: going on. And then rule changes to impact and then changes. 936 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: So it's almost unfair for me to say this, But 937 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 1: at the time Phil retired, his old time career passing 938 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: rankings were a heck of a lot higher in terms 939 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: of touchdown passes, yardage, stuff of that nature. He was 940 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: a lot higher on the old time lists, which you 941 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: look at them and you say, hey, you know what, 942 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: maybe we should talk about this guy a little bit. 943 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: But but even that's not fair because again those old 944 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: time this have to be taken into context in the 945 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: era that you played. And you know, is it fair 946 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: to Charlie Connolly that Phil sims numbers blow him away 947 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: when Connolly played at a time when you know, football 948 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 1: passing was at its infancy and Phil was playing in 949 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,319 Speaker 1: the in the eighties. That's not fair to Connolly. So 950 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of rough to be able 951 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 1: to to to do that without really understanding and seeing 952 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: stuff when it happened. Well, and I think this anthing 953 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: Giby said for the running back comparison to you know, 954 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: if you played in an offense that emphasized the run 955 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: Paul compared to you were the secondary option to the 956 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: quarterback in the past game, you know, that changes the 957 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: conversation to even the fourteen game season which then became 958 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: a sixteen game Oh, Jay Simpson ran for over two 959 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: thousand yards in a fourteen game season. I lived through it. 960 00:46:54,440 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: I saw it. I mean, that was unbelievable. And then 961 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: since then we've had a few guys, a handful of 962 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: guys Eclipse two thousand, but they didn't do it in 963 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 1: a fourteen game season. But that goes back to context. 964 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: That's why when you have those lists. See this irritates me. 965 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: Even when we see records in the NBA postseason, they 966 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: always list numbers, but they don't give you, like how 967 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: many games played they took to reach that feat. That's 968 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: kind of important. No, yes, because, like you said, the 969 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,280 Speaker 1: difference between doing it in fourteen games versus two additional games. 970 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm a Yankees fan, right, but when 971 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: people say to me Bernie Williams has the most career 972 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: postseason home runs in Major League history, I say to myself, 973 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: you know how many playoff games at World Series games 974 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: Bernie Williams played in? Is it any wonder in fact, 975 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: if he didn't be something wrong? Well, I mean that's 976 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: like also saying when one player X plays fifteen seasons, okay, 977 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: and then player why plays nineteen, should you be surprised 978 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: at nineteen has better cumulative numbers? Thank you? I mean, 979 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: but that's so hard for something to understand in this 980 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: day and age. Yeah, a player that plays an additional 981 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 1: fourth season should put up better numbers in terms of totals. 982 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean they are a more efficient player or a 983 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: better player. All right, let's get to Twitter because we 984 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: have a few people weighing as on a few current 985 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: Giants related subjects. A J. Marshall at A J. Marshall three, 986 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: Which new Giants free agent on both sides of the 987 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: ball will make an impact this season? Or I guess 988 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: it's better to word it. Which do you think is 989 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: gonna make the biggest impact a new free agent face 990 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, so offense and defense. 991 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: When you look at the Giants, good question. And this 992 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 1: is the time of the year where you sort of 993 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: take a step back and you realize, Okay, this is 994 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: who the Giants brought in. These are some of the 995 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: new faces. I'm bringing up the roster just because I 996 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,839 Speaker 1: think it's easier to talk about this when you see 997 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: the names in front of you. I don't know if 998 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: you have somebody in mind, Paul that jumps out to you, 999 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,240 Speaker 1: whether it be on defense or offense. I'm still collecting 1000 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: my thoughts as I look through the roster. And he 1001 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: said free agents, so you really have to eliminate the 1002 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 1: rookies from this conversation too. You know what, I'll go 1003 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: offense first. I'll go Golden Tate I think Golden Tate 1004 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 1: at the wide receiver spot. Who does fit the bill 1005 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: of a new face as a free agent. I think 1006 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: given the fact that Odell Beckham's not here, his versatility, 1007 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,879 Speaker 1: I mean, why would you not expect him to make 1008 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,799 Speaker 1: a significant impact on that side of the ball. Can 1009 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 1: I go Mike Rammers? Mike Gremmers? I think it's fair too. 1010 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely No, I think that's a good one. You know, Uh, 1011 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: We're looking at that offensive line and hopefully, for his sake, 1012 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: he's able to stay healthy and the back doesn't flare 1013 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: up and he plays a full sixteen games and the 1014 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,239 Speaker 1: Giants have that offensive LINETI a little fine defensive side 1015 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: of the ball. I think it's perhaps easy to go 1016 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: either up front because of so many new faces. I'm 1017 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: gonna go with Antoine Pathet. I think he's gonna have 1018 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: the biggest impact that it may not necessarily be exs 1019 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: it Owes. I think locker room presents leadership grooming, Jabrill Peppers. 1020 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,200 Speaker 1: I would say he's the new face that probably will 1021 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: have the biggest impact on defense. Yeah, and I think 1022 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,439 Speaker 1: that's a good pick. But if Marcus Golden should still 1023 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: have double digits, he's going to have to be the guy. Well, 1024 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: I noticed we picked two guys that have familiarity with 1025 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 1: James Petrowski, So you know that's a common thread. I think. 1026 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 1: I think in both cases offensively and defensively, those are 1027 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: the two guys. I don't think anybody else comes close 1028 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 1: to those two guys. Yeah. Well, listen, there's a lot 1029 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: of new faces on both sides of the ball, whether 1030 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,239 Speaker 1: it be new faces veterans, and there's opportunities across the board. 1031 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: That to me is what the most exciting aspect of 1032 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: this year's training camp is. Not to say that his 1033 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,320 Speaker 1: previous seasons there haven't been battles, but I think, Paul, 1034 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: the depth conversation is across the board. There's a lot 1035 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 1: of positions where it's wide open. You've got a lot 1036 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,239 Speaker 1: of guys that are gonna be battling one another, and 1037 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: that's why it's interesting to talk about, you know, who 1038 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: is going to win these battles, who can make the 1039 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,120 Speaker 1: biggest impact Because you've got the offensive line, you've got 1040 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: wide receiver, running back has depth, defensive line has depth. 1041 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: We're not talking about proven we're just talking about volume 1042 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: that there are numbers and names to choose from and 1043 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,359 Speaker 1: that's a really good thing because when the cupboard's bar 1044 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: and you've just given guys roster spot because there's nobody else, 1045 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. Right now, they have names to compete. 1046 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,760 Speaker 1: That's good. That's good at Clayton hard and fourteen bringing 1047 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: up and I think we got into this also over 1048 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: the last few shows in terms of great assistant coaches 1049 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 1: that didn't make great head coaches. Remember you and I 1050 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: were talking about Wade, Phillips and Turner the other day. 1051 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: So he wants to throw out Bill Arnsparger, Well, there's 1052 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,880 Speaker 1: no doubt. I mean, and I know I gave Clayton 1053 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: a hard time the other day. I forget what it 1054 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,239 Speaker 1: was that he had. He had put up a couple 1055 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 1: of tweets that seemed we were talking about ranking, which 1056 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,919 Speaker 1: is the most important element that we need to see. 1057 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 1: Happened the pass Russ. I know I gave him a 1058 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: hard time on that, but he's right on this one. 1059 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: Bill Arnsparger was, you know, supposed to be the genius 1060 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,360 Speaker 1: architect of that Dolphins d for several years for Don Shula, 1061 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: and you know he comes to the Giants and as 1062 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,879 Speaker 1: a head coach, it just did not work at all. 1063 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,919 Speaker 1: It was. It was bad. So yeah, again another case 1064 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 1: of of a great coordinator. We we rattled off today 1065 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,919 Speaker 1: a whole list of guys and and the list will 1066 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: go on and on, because you know what, it is 1067 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 1: a hard job. It doesn't automatically translate. This is no secret, 1068 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,959 Speaker 1: which is why people have to be very careful when 1069 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,319 Speaker 1: they make that job well. And that's why when you 1070 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,919 Speaker 1: look at a lot of the new head coaches this year, 1071 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: I think, to me, the biggest part of a search, 1072 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,800 Speaker 1: and I've even talk to individuals who have been previous 1073 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 1: head coaches on various shows that the question that I 1074 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,839 Speaker 1: always throw out Paul is there just seems to be 1075 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: a fascination in today's NFL. And we could probably expand 1076 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: upon this in future shows, but I just want to 1077 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: throw this out here. At the tail end, there's a 1078 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: fascination and finding the x's and those guru much more 1079 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: so than I'll use a giant's example, much more so 1080 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: than the Tom Coughlin esque type of coach, meaning a 1081 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 1: guy Paul that could get up in front of a 1082 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: body of players regardless offense, defense, special teams, motivate them, 1083 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,799 Speaker 1: be able to divvy up his time and his f 1084 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: to various portions of the team as opposed to somebody 1085 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,799 Speaker 1: that is just so good with scheme and dialing up 1086 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: these creative ways. And I'm not saying that that doesn't work. 1087 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Sean McVeigh, for example, is doing a really 1088 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 1: good job with the Rams, Matt Naggie with the Bears. 1089 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 1: So I don't want to say that there's one rule 1090 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 1: of thumb, but they're just we've gotten away from the leader, 1091 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,800 Speaker 1: the figure that could command the room. We just seem 1092 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: to bring that down on the totem pole now, if 1093 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,880 Speaker 1: I may, sure we have kind of gravitated to the 1094 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: video game head coach who's more interested in the press 1095 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,439 Speaker 1: of the buttons and doing all this the gadget type 1096 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: of stuff, bells and whistles, informations and schemes, instead of 1097 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,520 Speaker 1: a guy who can command men, who can lead a 1098 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,440 Speaker 1: locker room. That's what you're talking about. If I were 1099 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 1: if I were a general manager, there's no question what 1100 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,839 Speaker 1: I would do, Because I'm old school. I'm gonna want 1101 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,359 Speaker 1: the leader of men as my head coach, and I 1102 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,440 Speaker 1: will let my coordinators be the guys who are going 1103 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 1: to be the xs and those guys and the bells 1104 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,400 Speaker 1: and whistles, guys. Let the coordinators deal with the game plans. 1105 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: I want my head coach to be a molder of men. 1106 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I don't think right now 1107 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,680 Speaker 1: that's where the league is headed. It does just doesn't 1108 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,520 Speaker 1: look like it right now, and that's why for me. 1109 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,880 Speaker 1: For me, it's it's kind of sad to see how 1110 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 1: the old school guys. You know, I've said a thousand 1111 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,960 Speaker 1: times the golden era of seventies and eighties in the 1112 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 1: National Football League and those head coaches. I hate to 1113 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,480 Speaker 1: say it, but do you honestly believe that Bill Parcels 1114 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,759 Speaker 1: I think he has said this to people publicly. I 1115 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: know he has told friends of mine who are mutual 1116 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,439 Speaker 1: friends of mine, and Parcels is that he doesn't think 1117 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: he could coach in today's game right now because it's 1118 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,880 Speaker 1: not It's not that game anymore. Well, that's why I 1119 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 1: think it's impressive what Bill Belichick's been able to do, 1120 00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: because it is ec the evolution first hand of players. 1121 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: But give him credit, he's adjusted. He still is a 1122 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 1: motivating force. But you know, those are the types of 1123 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,680 Speaker 1: coaches that I think are far and few in today's NFL. Alright, 1124 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,960 Speaker 1: that is gonna wrap up Wednesday's edition a Big Blue 1125 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,080 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live once again, thanks to Kevin Fish banning the 1126 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: Athletic for joining us earlier and breaking down the Chicago Bears, 1127 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live will be up and running again 1128 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: tomorrow at noon Eastern. They will study the Jets, if 1129 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm correct, John at Jeff Feagel, So they'll be breaking 1130 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: down the Jets on tomorrow's program, and no program on 1131 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 1: Friday for the next few weeks because our offices are closed, 1132 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: so we'll be back up and running on Monday. By 1133 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: the way, there's no programming next week. That's right. I'm 1134 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,520 Speaker 1: glad you reminded me. Fourth week is closed, which means 1135 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: as much as we'd like to come in and do 1136 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,760 Speaker 1: a show, they won't let us. I'm glad that you locked. 1137 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,280 Speaker 1: The building is locked, So no show next week. Correct, 1138 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,839 Speaker 1: So we're back July. So we have a show once 1139 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,799 Speaker 1: again tomorrow noon Eastern, and then we're off till July eight, 1140 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: and we'll pick up continue to preview the two thousand 1141 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 1: nineteen opponents and break down all of the other things 1142 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,799 Speaker 1: related to the New York Kids. Dan maybe to come 1143 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 1: over to my house and to my own office, you 1144 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,959 Speaker 1: can come over. We'll do a show anyway. Well, listen, 1145 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm all up for experimentation. I just don't know if 1146 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,360 Speaker 1: Dan is ultra excited to now you want to You 1147 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 1: want to spend the holiday week with your family, and 1148 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: I think that's the very wise choice. You're normal, that's 1149 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,719 Speaker 1: your problem, your norms and you. On the other hand, 1150 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 1: we're running out of vocabulary words and we're running out 1151 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,239 Speaker 1: of time on this program. So that's a good sign 1152 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,239 Speaker 1: to remind us that Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by 1153 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,800 Speaker 1: Core's Light. As always, for Paul the Tina on Lance Meadow, 1154 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,719 Speaker 1: we will speak to you tomorrow at noon Eastern. Have 1155 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 1: a going