1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: M all right. Welcome to the State of the Lakers 2 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: presented by DASH Radio. Thank you guys so much for 3 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: coming to hang out on. This is gonna be a Thursday, 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: Thursday evening. I guess. This is part two of our 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: postgame show from Pacers Lakers, starting with rog and I 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: breaking down some stuff with Russell Westbrook and then getting 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: back into kind of like a eulogy for Frank, just remembering, 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, all the things that he did really well 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: while he was here, which then turned ironic when we 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: discovered live on the show that he was at least 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: going to be staying with the team long enough to 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: fly to Orlando. So that's all in this pot. As always, 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys support, and we will see you 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: for the postgame show on Friday night after the Magic Game. 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: But I think this is a good transition to Russ because, 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, the one rotation decision he made tonight that 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: I agree with was him pulling Russ. And this is 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: something that we've talked about a lot on the show 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: here in recent weeks, and it's a it's a basic concept. 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: Like I shared out Russ's shot chart, the dude can't 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: make anything around the basket. Okay, he's shooting. I think 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: coming into tonight he was at like fifty percent within 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: three ft of the rim. That's a horrible number, guys, 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: that's not a good number. I know it sounds efficient 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, but to literally miss 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: almost half of the shots that you attempt at the 27 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: rim is an atrocious number. And it vastly undercuts the 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: positive impacts of his rim pressure. And like, what do 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: I always say, guys, Like when you're when to be 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: a positive perimeter basketball player, you have to be able 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: to do You have to be a triple threat. You 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: have to be able to shoot, you have to be 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: able to drive, and you have to be able to 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: make reads when teams send help your way. And the 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: thing with Russ is he can't shoot. When he drives, 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: he can't finish. And when it comes to making reads 37 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: against bad teams, when he's passing to areas, he can 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: have some success, but he really struggles making reads against 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: good teams that take away what he's good at and 40 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: take away his easy reads. That's why he has all 41 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: these horrible turnover games. But again, this, this is what's 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: so bad. Rogs one of my consistent themes has been like, 43 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, Russ sucks against good teams, Like Russ can't score, 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: can't do anything to contribute against a good team. Well, 45 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: he's starting to have these nights against bad teams too, 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: and that's a really bad sign. This is the last 47 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: thing I'll say, and I'll kick it over to you, Roger. 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: There was there was a meme that became famous a 49 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I think it was shortly after 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: his time in Houston. Do you guys remember there was 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: like a timeline, Okay, And in the timeline, it's like 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: it's like a calendar timeline, and at the beginning, it's 53 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: like it's Russell Westbrook and it's like at the beginning, 54 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: it's like this is the worst basketball player of all time. 55 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: And then in the middle there's a little stretch where 56 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, question mark. And then there's like another 57 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: stretch where it's like this is the best basketball player 58 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: of all time. And then there's the final and where 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: it all becomes a b that that meme is now 60 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: completely inaccurate because where's the stretch for he's the best 61 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: basketball player of all time? Does that stretch exist? Because 62 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: I see him getting worse and worse on a night 63 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: to night basis, And it's just it's just the unfortunate 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: reality of the predicament. Now I understand this is something 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: that I've talked about a lot in recent weeks. It's 66 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: going to be extremely difficult to trade Russ because nobody's 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: gonna want him. It is going to take a great 68 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: deal of circumstances falling in the Lakers lap to break 69 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: their way in order for a team to be willing 70 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: to take on Russ's salary and to send back filler. 71 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: But there's a reason why, Frank ben Struss, there's a 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: reason why in the Utah Jazz game we had our 73 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: best moments without Russ. There's a reason why Dwight Howard 74 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: and Russ on the floor don't work with the two 75 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: of them together because that combined lack of shooting. And 76 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: there's a reason why I've been pushing for this so far. 77 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: It's because even if you got crap back for us, 78 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: if it's crap, that can play a some kind of 79 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: role on this team, not the Russ role, but rather 80 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: similar role as to what Kuzma on KCP filled, Even 81 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: if they do it at the rate that those guys, 82 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: did this would be a better team. It's time to 83 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: cut the losses. It's time to understand that this was 84 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: a mistake and the team needs to move forward. Now. 85 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: It's going to be difficult. It's very possible that this 86 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: can't happen this deadline. What I'm advocating for is if 87 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: it's possible, it needs to be done, because there's nothing 88 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: to be gained by going down with the ship that 89 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: that's just a matter of pride at that point, like 90 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: that's just that's just cutting off your nose despite your face. 91 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: It would make way more sense to just acknowledge the 92 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: reality of the situation. Russ isn't a very good basketball 93 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: player anymore. He's not going to raise your ceiling against 94 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: good teams. Now, he's actively hurting you against bad teams. 95 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: Just because he made a handful of threes. It's almost 96 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: like the worst thing that can happen because he's gonna 97 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: start shooting him even more. It's just it's it's been 98 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: an absolute disaster on that front. And again, just like 99 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 1: with Frank, it's not the only reason the Lakers are bad, 100 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: but it's one of the reasons. And everything that went 101 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: out in that trade is part of that reason as well. 102 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: But that's just that's where I'm at with russ Man. 103 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: This is just another another that shot chart is absurd. 104 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: He can't put the ball in the basket. Rodge can 105 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: do it anymore. It's interesting because I've been, you know, 106 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: I've been kind of charting this and and looking at 107 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: this rewatching the games and stuff. And this is the 108 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: first time, obviously that Vogel has pulled Russ right, And 109 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: I didn't think he would pull him in a game 110 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: like I didn't even think it would happen halfway through 111 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: the season. But it's been a progression of what I've 112 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: been seeing. And we've been slowly and slowly we've been 113 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: removing Russ from like what we do structurally right like 114 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: in terms of what we run on offense. Go watch 115 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: these games, and he has just parked on the week side, 116 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: he is parked in the dunker spot off the ball. 117 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: We're running off offense through th ht fully through Lebron 118 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: as a screener or Lebron with the ball. Avery Bradley 119 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: even runs actions like we have moved Russell Westwark so 120 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: much off the ball, and I think that you're even 121 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: seeing this in his stop shop selection as well. And 122 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: again I think he had he had one turnover tonight, 123 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: So we're getting the low turnover games, but we're sometimes 124 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: we're getting even worse shots. You're seeing these one leg 125 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: fadeaways because that's the only place that he's kind of 126 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: a one legged fade away is the hardest basketball shot 127 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: I've ever tried to learn. It is an impossible shot. Like, 128 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: it's amazing that Kevin Durant is as good at it 129 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: as he is. For Russ to be taking that as 130 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: that bad of a jump shooter is literally the worst 131 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: case of the worst lack of self awareness I've ever seen. 132 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: And so, you know, and he's taking these because, like Jason, 133 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: his only time that he's getting offensive possessions is in transition, 134 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, where he has a little bit of an 135 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: advantage against a one on one against a player that 136 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: you can physically over power. Or we're clearing aside for 137 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: him to attack on right, so we're like, if he's 138 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: gonna if he's on the left side, we throw everyone 139 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: to the right side. It's a clear out where he 140 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: can attack the rim or you know, shoot that little 141 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: bank shot that that's pretty much it. We have gone 142 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: away pretty much from russ screen role. He ran a 143 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: field with Lebron tonight, a couple with dwife. Other than that, 144 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: we've kind of gone away from Russ as the ball, 145 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: how did he shoot? And he gets it and it's 146 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: a it's rogue possessions, Jason, Like, okay, so someone has 147 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: the ball, we run an action through the league Monk 148 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: through Lebron. The ball swings because you know, Russ's guy 149 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: plays off him because that's what everything's gonna do. So 150 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: when we park us in the week side, where that's 151 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: kind of the toughest place to kind of hell off, right, 152 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: he's all the way in the week side. So even 153 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: if you park his guy into the paint and still 154 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: doesn't kind of impact the offensive action, but still so 155 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: he gets the ball and then that's where he can 156 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: kind of go rogue play in isolation play attack his 157 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: match up there. But like he used to me, we're 158 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: moving him more and more off the ball, and I 159 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: think we're kind of seeing that as well. In the 160 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: minutes he played twenty six minutes against Utah, twenty six 161 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: minutes again tonight against uh I'm ready for God Tho. 162 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: We played Indiana twenty six minutes again tonight gets Indiana 163 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: like his minutes are going down, his possessions of the 164 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: basketball are going down. And I've been a proponent of it. 165 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: It's just wild to watch it in real time. And 166 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I think this is the way to best 167 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: use you know, Russell westbrook skill set. Put him um 168 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: where he's attacking and already compromised defense. And that's maybe 169 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: better in theory than it is an actuality when you're 170 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: watching the ball game. But it's interesting, man, we're watching 171 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: this progression of how we're using Russell Westbrook, and when 172 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: a d comes back, he'll be even more right subjected 173 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: to uh less possessions, subjected to less offensive possessions that 174 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: are surrounded by him. We're running. We've moved to non 175 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Braun and Russ liners. Remember in the off season, we're like, oh, 176 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna have one of Russ or Braun on the 177 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: floor all the time. We have moved to line ups 178 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: without both of them. We are getting we would wrap 179 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: and again not this. I don't want this to be 180 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: a full referendum on Russ because I don't think that's 181 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: what it is. But you know, we're we would rather 182 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: just have Malik Monk and Taylor, Horton, Tucker, get these possessions. 183 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: Get these you know, ball screen possessions. Where the floor 184 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: is open, where Stanley's at the five. Let those let 185 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: them run accidents. They've been good, Jason. They have been 186 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: caring us for for these last few games. So I 187 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: think the Russ conundru musition interesting. But I'm still on 188 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: the He's not going anywhere, you know, And I think 189 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: there's ways to kind of, you know, put him still 190 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: in better positions. And if I'm gonna put on the 191 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: hold on, I'm gonna put you in this. Okay, Let's 192 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: say Oklahoma City or some team not Oklahoma City. I 193 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: don't think they have the salaries match. Let's say Orlando 194 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: calls and they go, we want Russ, we want to 195 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: sell tickets. We'll give you, you know, Terence Ross and 196 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, some combination of salaries, and but you're gonna 197 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: have to give us a first round pick whatever. So 198 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: let's say a Russ trade does materialize. Would you pull 199 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: the trigger? Yes? Or no? Man? That that's so tough 200 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: to decide, man, And maybe like maybe that's the course 201 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: of action here. I would, you know, I think the 202 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: team and who cares, you know what I think, like, 203 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: I think the team would still like to see what 204 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: Russ Ron and a d looked like as a collective. 205 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: I also think it's just a bad look though, right 206 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: You trade five players, four players, three of them super 207 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: high rotation guys for Russell Westbrook over the summer, including 208 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: a first round pick, and then you dump them to 209 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: Orlando you know how many months later, four or five 210 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: months later for whould you say, Terrence Ross? And well, 211 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: I I put the trade together a while. There's a 212 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: combination of salaries. I can't remember what it is. I 213 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: just don't. I just like, okay, so in those okay, 214 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: so is it not a bad I'd look also to 215 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: go down with the ship, like dude, you know, Rose, 216 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,119 Speaker 1: He's gonna shoot this poorly in the paint in the playoffs, 217 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: if not worse, when defenses are really dialed in and 218 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: scheming to what he likes to do. This is going 219 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: to get worse. There's not I just what have we 220 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: seen this season that would lead you to believe that 221 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook is going to be a successful and productive 222 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: basketball player for US in a postseason series against a 223 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: good basketball team. To give me one thing, is it Okay. 224 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: I'll give you one thing. Playmaker. He's he's been a 225 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: decent playmaker for us this season in our week schedule 226 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: against mostly bad basketball teams, but in the games that 227 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: we played against good basketball teams, that hasn't translated. So again, 228 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: I like, literally today in the fourth quarter, there was 229 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: a play where he worked into the lane break the 230 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: jump shot, ran down the floor and got absolutely dusted 231 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: by Harris Laverne on the perimeter for a lamp. It's 232 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: like he is actively hurting us on both ends of 233 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: the floor. Yeah, it's it's it is it is again, 234 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: I get okay. Like I said, that's why I bring 235 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: up the Pride thing. It will look bad to trade Russ. 236 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: That will be the equivalent of Lebron and and and 237 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: Rob Perlinko and Anthony Davis basically admitting, like we screwed up. Yeah, 238 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: we screwed up bad. But my thing is, like, dude, like, 239 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: I don't view that as a sign of weakness. I 240 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: view that as a sign of strike when someone's willing 241 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: to look in the mirror and be like, this didn't work. 242 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: So this happened to a smaller extent, right, it wasn't 243 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: to this level, but it was definitely like, oh this roster, 244 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: we buill bring it. You know. It's funny. I'll think 245 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: about that team they brought in Isaiah Thomas right that, 246 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: And I thought, and you know, Isaiah Thomas was supposed 247 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: to be like the inside Chanles, it wasn't healthy. So 248 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: it's not the same apples apples, you know, comparison, but 249 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting kind of the similarities there right there. Isaiah 250 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Thomas lebron fit wasn't what they thought it would be, 251 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: and they ship half that roster out, so that could happen. 252 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong there. I just like, that's 253 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: not like I don't see how Lindo doing that deal, right, Like, 254 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't see any team being like, Okay, well it's 255 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: not likely, right, it's not likely. I'm just saying, like 256 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: in the universe for that materialized, I am a firm 257 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: believer that the Lakers would have to take that so 258 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: that they would have to do and I think they 259 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: have to do their due diligence to try, you know, 260 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: and and and and and My thing is like like again, 261 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: like I there was a point here that season about 262 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: what games in We're like, you're looking at this and 263 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: you're like, Russ has been okay. Yeah, you know, like 264 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: he was really bad in that stretch to start the season, 265 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: and like it was, it had some really rough moments 266 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: like that, you know, the okay see losses for instance, 267 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, but like there was that little stretch there, 268 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: like ten fifteen games. We're like like this, there's this 269 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: is okay, like he's not bad. But the dirty little 270 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: secret there is we were playing bad teams, Raj, we 271 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: were we were we were playing bad teams. And he 272 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: was also shooting abnormally well, he was shooting like thirty 273 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: seven percent or something like that of wide open threes, 274 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: which has since cratered until tonight at least. But like 275 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: a get like like my thing, there is like outside 276 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: of that little stretch where he was okay, not even 277 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: really good, just like okay, like okay enough that you 278 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: could look back and be like he's not the reason 279 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: why they're struggling, you know. But outside of that stretch, 280 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: it's been all bad. It's been all bad. Rage. Yeah, no, 281 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: you're you're not wrong there. And I think you know 282 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: he's facing his mortality. I keep saying that, and the 283 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: adjustment really hasn't come we're trying to make him you 284 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: know this, we're trying to make Russell Westbrook not Russell Westbrook, right, 285 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Like we're turning him into this low turnover you know guard. 286 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: And when you do that, it's great, you get the 287 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: no turnovers, but the domino effect is then created, right, 288 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: you create this domin effect of like a guy who's 289 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, way more concerned about where his shot in 290 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: past comes from then he's ever had to be. And no, 291 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: so now you're getting these terrible shots again, these mid 292 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: range pull ups. Those are the ones to me and 293 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: you have to take out, like the misses at the 294 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: rim what they are, if they're at the volume that 295 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: they're at, I can live with. That issue is when 296 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: you confound that when you compound that with the you know, 297 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: in transition dribble, contested pull up jumper or you know 298 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: he had that three pointer where he got the offensive 299 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: foul on I believe where he liked. I think he 300 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: hit Tory Craig in the face. Like, those are the 301 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: shots that we can't have, Like when a defender flies 302 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: under a screen, I honestly think, like you know, his 303 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: forum is okay on those when he gets a little 304 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, jump stop pull up like that. That's probably 305 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: where he's best. But then like the four for six 306 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: from three is going to be a super anomally Obviously 307 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get that every night. But yeah, like 308 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: it's been rough for sure. And I've always said, like 309 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: this process that you want to build here and the 310 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: contract is what it is. To me, I know you're 311 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: ready to cut Bait and that might be and to me, 312 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: I think that Bait is gonna be cut in the summer. 313 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: Uh whatever happens here unless they win a title, but 314 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: I think that Bait is gonna be cut. But like, 315 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: there's places we have to fit them and we're doing 316 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: that now, and it's gonna look ugly, and it's looked 317 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: ugly for a lot of this season, but it's the 318 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: best way to put it. And and you might be right, 319 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, you can trade Russ for some minimum guys. 320 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: I just think that's that's such a tough decision for 321 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: front obvious to make mid season because you're gonna obviously 322 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna lose everything that you kind of did, 323 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: and maybe that's the way you have to go, But man, 324 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: I don't know the rest fit definitely has been ugly. 325 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: I just I think when a D comes back, hopefully 326 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: that kind of fits guys in the right place. But 327 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: it hasn't been pretty man, and we're we're seeing the 328 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: progression to moving rust more and more off ball, which 329 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: is not what we thought over the summer. The whole 330 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: point of bringing Russ in was to give Lebron the 331 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: more off ball actions, which he's done, but it's been 332 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: with like Leek Monk and to ht h D instead 333 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: of you know, instead of with Russell Western. So it's 334 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: such a such an interesting kind of situation we were 335 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: in right now. Yeah, so I wanted to say one 336 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: thing about Russ before we can move on, and maybe 337 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: maybe you and I can try to find a shred 338 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: of positivity in this somewhere. But you know, so, Pete 339 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: from micro FILMERM had a really interesting uh A point 340 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: that he made in the podcast today when he was 341 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: referencing the predicament that Frank Vogel was put in this year, 342 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: and his point was basically like, look at the first 343 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: year Lebron came, it was like, let's get Paul George, 344 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: and then when Paul George failed, it was like, let's 345 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: bring in all these playmakers, you know, Land Stevenson and 346 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: a Jean Rondo, so on and so forth. And then 347 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: when that didn't work, the the you know, they traded 348 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: everything for for Anthony Davis and then their an initial 349 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: goal was to get Kawhi Leonard with that, you know, 350 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: because because again like this is the dirty little secret 351 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,239 Speaker 1: about Lebron throughout his career. You know, there's some detractors 352 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: of his that like to kind of paint him as 353 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: a ballhog. But the dirty little secret about Lebron is 354 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: he he wants to give the ball up, like he 355 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: wants to have his you know, third slash half of 356 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: the game that he's on the floor where he controls everything, 357 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: but in the rest of that half, like he wants 358 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: to have spot up possessions. He wants to have possessions 359 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: where he can cut and do things like that. Why 360 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: because that's been part of the tale of Lebron's creat 361 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: He likes to rest while he's on the court. And 362 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: the only way he can feel comfortable doing that is 363 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: if you can give the ball to somebody else and 364 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: have them make a play. And is extend that is 365 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: extended year after year, because it happened even when they 366 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: traded Danny Green for Dennis Schroeder and then finally culminating 367 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: with the Russell Westbrook trade. The thing that I disagree 368 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: about with that particularly is with this team construct without 369 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook. Excuse me, Like, yeah, if you take Russell 370 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: Westbrook out of the picture, like just for a second 371 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: here as I try to paint this picture, this is 372 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: not the same type of style offensively that Lebron is 373 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: used to play. So traditionally, over the course of Lebron's career, 374 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: guys who played off the ball were not you know, 375 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: really they weren't guys who would make plays. You know. 376 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: They were more like specialists, you know, and your your 377 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: Kyle Korverer's or your Shane Battiers or you know, Mike Miller's, 378 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: those those types of players, and not exactly so with 379 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: those types of guys, you had to have playmaking guys 380 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: that can generate high quality shots for those guys. But 381 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: this is why in such a book, Big Believer in 382 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 1: Modern Basketball. This is something that we talked about a 383 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: ton after that Phoenix Sun series last year. This idea 384 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: of high level clothes out attacking in a five out 385 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: dribble drive and attack offense. It's kind of important for 386 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: everybody to be able to do that kind of stuff, right, 387 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: And so that the irony and all of this, as 388 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: we saw in that Jazz game, is the Lakers actually 389 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of guys who can do that already. 390 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: Like th HD can put the ball on the floor, 391 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: make stuff happen. I thought he had one of his 392 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: best games as a pro tonight, which there's just a 393 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: line of guys. But anyway, the but Austin reeves like he's, 394 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, an extremely intelligent basketball player that can put 395 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: the ball on the floor and make place for people. 396 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: You know, Stanley Johnston, we talked about a lot in 397 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: the last pot about his basketball background and how that 398 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: bred his ability to make things happen with the ball 399 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: in his hands with a live dribble. And then obviously 400 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Molique Monk is is like literally like the modern generations Microwent, 401 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, so like we have guys that can do that. 402 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: So in this in this scheme, now with our personnel 403 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: running in modern five out attack, guess what, Lebron, you 404 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: don't have to have somebody at the top of the 405 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: key running high pick and roll twenty five times in 406 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: a row to generate quality shots for stains bill shooters. 407 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: That's not the need anymore. So I understand that coming 408 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: in here in two thousand eighteen you felt the need 409 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: for playmaking. I understand that. But with the direction the 410 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: game is going, and with the types of players you 411 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: already have on this team, with that youthful lineup that 412 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: I just talked about, you don't need that anymore. And 413 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: Anon and Anthony Davis is coming back, and chances are 414 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna end up upgrading th HD to somebody who's 415 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: even a little bit more polished in in mature, you know. So, 416 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: Like my thing is, like the Lakers don't need Russ anymore. 417 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: Why because they don't need to throw the ball to 418 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: one guy in every non Lebron possession and have him 419 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: create everything. What they actually need is, hey, Lebron, like 420 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: on the possessions, you want to s on the floor 421 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: just starting the corner and you know, have Moleague or 422 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: t HD be the guy who initially breaks down the 423 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: defense and then you, yeah, you might have to do 424 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more about to do some clothes out attacking, 425 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: but that's easier on your legs than doing what you 426 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: have to do. And you yourself, Lebron, you don't have 427 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: to do that anymore, have to be it's wide open 428 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: shots for your for your teammates anymore. You can literally 429 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: do what you did against You talk set ball screens 430 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: and roll to the basket while somebody else goes to 431 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: work because of the anatomy of the way modern basketball 432 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: has played. So that's kind of like the philosophy that 433 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: I think that the Lakers need to come to terms 434 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: with here, Like Russ would have made more sense if 435 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: you had really traditional three and D specialists parked in 436 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: the corner that did all the dirty work and just 437 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: sat there and shot threes all day long. That would 438 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: have made more sense. But that's just not the construct 439 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: of this team. And in theory, like man, Russ would 440 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: have been a devastating five out player back in two 441 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, but he's just not that guy anymore. Back 442 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen, Russ would have been an amazing 443 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 1: fit with this team, but those days are gone and 444 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: now it's a bad fit. And so that's why I'm saying, like, like, understand, 445 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: when we talk about the good team that lies here, 446 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: it's a good team that is beneath the surface that 447 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: doesn't really have anything to do with Russ and and 448 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: that's why he needs to be viewed as, you know, 449 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: somebody that needs to be gotten rid of for lack 450 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: of a better term. Yeah, and you know, the interesting 451 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: part of that is, like we've the you know, Lebron 452 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: a D with three and D players or even D 453 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: and three players, Like that's a that's a proven formula, right, 454 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: Like that's something that we've seen work already once, um 455 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: even last year a little bit. Dennis Shooter is a 456 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: little bit differently, but he's still you know, a defensive 457 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: tycle player who doesn't command the amount of uses obviously 458 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: that Russ would usually command. That's a you know, that's 459 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: a formula that's worked and has been proven. And this 460 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: is the whole new experiment. And how much of this 461 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: was you know, Lebron pushing for this, how much of 462 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: it was you know, the front office something you know, 463 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: we'll never know. But again, like I say, like maybe 464 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: if you can cut Bay with Russ, I understand it. 465 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: I just I don't see it happening, you know, during 466 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: the season, which so I'm just trying to find ways, 467 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: I guess, to work around it. And we've we've started 468 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 1: to do that already at a pace that I just 469 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: did not expect. But Jason, we're halfway through the season 470 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: and we've already, you know, cut Russ out of most 471 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: of our offensive actions like that, Like that's pretty much 472 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: what's happened. And I think, you know, Frank Vogel's kind 473 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: of understood where he needs to put like how we 474 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: need to kind of work offensively with Russ. But I 475 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: don't know it's gonna be it. It's gonna be a 476 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: kind of uphill climb here. Hopefully when a D comes 477 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: back we can kind of build some kind of rhythm 478 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: with it, because I just don't think he's going anywhere. 479 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: I don't see a trade happening. You might be right, 480 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: like maybe you know, if Russ isn't playing, we could 481 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: just play full three and D. But that's a lot 482 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: on you know, Lebron's play, even with the other ball 483 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: handlers we have, So it's a it's a tough kind 484 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: of thing to jug with here. I don't I don't 485 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: know where we go though, Like this is I feel 486 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: like our coach is gonna be gone tomorrow and we're 487 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: gonna start brand new, Like like we're gonna start brand new. 488 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: We'll see if they if they hire in house and 489 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But the rust stuff is tough. Man, 490 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: I understand where you're at. Here, you're at the let's 491 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: just jump off the ship. Um. I just think, like, 492 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: this is not a ship. This is like a bed 493 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: that's like clung to the floor until you know, six 494 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: until six or seven months. Like that's how like I 495 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: just that's how I see it. This is a bed 496 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: that's you know, changed to the ground, and we're gonna 497 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: lay in this. Like I said before that you know 498 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: that that's saying you made your bed, you laying it. 499 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna lay in this until you know, after the 500 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: playoffs to me, and that's kind of when you can 501 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: kind of make decisions on the roster. This roster has 502 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: flipped three times. I would bet on it flipping again. 503 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: Uh you know, maybe this deadline as well, if we 504 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: can kind of manufacture anything there. I just think Russ 505 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: is going to be on the team. The focal quotes 506 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: are super interesting though. Man, that's a guy who's super 507 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: diplomatic went and said, uh, you know, I why do 508 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: I bench for us? Because I wanted to win? That 509 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: is a that's a that's a crazy quote, crazy quote 510 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: from from your head coach. But I don't know. I 511 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: don't have any answers there, and you might be right 512 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: that movie it's time to move on. I just don't 513 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: think that time is going to be this deadline. Did 514 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: you have anything else on your list you wanted to 515 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: hit before we called it tonight? Man? You know, my 516 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: first half notes were a lot of like, oh man, we're, 517 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, going small, We're starting to switch more than's. 518 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: You know, there's some positive stuff we're seeing. Burn it off, 519 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: burn it off, there's nothing you gotta start all over from. 520 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: I guess I think we play in Orlando. Ironically, you 521 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: brought up to Orlando trade. We play Orlando next, and 522 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: we'll see if we can kind of get that win. 523 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: We'll see if Frank Vogel's the coach still during that time. 524 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: What a chaotic What a chaotic season? Man? Oh man, 525 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: it's absolutely outrageous. I am looking really quick because I 526 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: wanted to double check the to see if that Stanley Johnson, 527 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: th HT, Reeves, Monk and Lebron line up played any 528 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: minutes tonight. So I'm checking really quick, like I think, 529 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: I think th HT deserves a shout out. Like I 530 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: mentioned on Twitter, in his last six games, thirteen points 531 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: on six percent for shooting. He's owing lots of defensive flashes. 532 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: He was amazing against Donovan Mitchell against the Jazz. He 533 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: had a lot of big defensive place tonight. He's playing 534 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: himself into being a legitimate um trade asset. I still 535 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: think we're at the point where, even though he's playing better, 536 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: I think the Lakers are so desperate for talent that 537 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: they have to consider um, you know, using him. But 538 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: it's definitely something to keep in mind. It feels like 539 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: we have two separate teams, right we have this like 540 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: older group and then we have this young group that 541 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: comes in and plays hard, and Lebron kind of plays 542 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: on both teams, which is which is really interesting. But 543 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: that's what it feels like. She was awesome. Though. It 544 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: looks like he's getting his field back. You know, his 545 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: drives are under a under more control. He had that 546 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: drive today where he lobbed it to the League Monk. 547 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Just a lot more in control with his dribble and 548 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: his actions. And uh, he's definitely you know, moving forward, 549 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: moving up, maybe the you know COVID stuff, and I 550 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: think he had the hand injury as well, was kind 551 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: of holding him down. But his jumpers starting to be 552 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: there too. I think he had two three tonight. It 553 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: was awesome. It just you know, it sucks to that 554 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: he's starting to build while the team is kind of 555 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: crashing down again. But you know, shout out to t 556 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: H had another good night for him. All Right, guys, 557 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: before we get out of here, I got I got 558 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: the numbers for you. So that let me guess up. 559 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: So the line that we're talking about is Reeves, Reeves, Reeves, 560 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: th HD, Monk, Johnson, Lebron. Okay, I'm gonna guess. They 561 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: played five minutes tonight, Bagel rog they played zero minutes. 562 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: They played zero minutes tonight. The lineup that beat the 563 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: Utah Jazz and on Monday played zero minutes. Frank Vogel 564 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: dug his own grave. Man, I don't know what else 565 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: to tell you. That's absolutely outrageous. That is completely inexcusable. 566 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: That is that is a fireable offense. I'm with you, 567 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: and and then you you you know, you split that up. 568 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony thirty minutes, Avery Bradley five minutes. Just that's 569 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: that's not a winning formula. Especially when you need to 570 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: switch everything kind of goes against We dove into this already, 571 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: dude time, where is this all right? Guys? Well, we're uh, 572 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: we probably should sleep on this. I think this entire 573 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: podcast was was mostly yelling. So like I feel like 574 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: I feel like Richard Sherman after knocking away the thing 575 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: from Michael Crabtree. I've just way too emotional to be 576 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: doing any sort of public speaking at this point. But anyway, guys, 577 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: this is gonna air on Dash Radio tomorrow morning at 578 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: seven and Pacific Standard time. It will I will also 579 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: piece together the Crash to Spaces and this one and 580 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: put them on our podcast feed that should be live 581 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: in about an hour or so. But we're blown away 582 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: by the support as always. I know this is crazy 583 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: and super discouraging, but there is a good team in 584 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: here somewhere. They just have to actually play the players 585 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 1: that are good. I don't know. My guess is by 586 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: the time we're talking on Friday Rise, we're gonna have 587 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: Vogel out of the picture, and we're gonna be talking 588 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: about We're gonna be talking about Fizzdale, and we're gonna 589 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: be talking it could like and who knows, maybe Fizdale 590 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: will come back on Friday and start playing DeAndre Jordan 591 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: again and all just be like like literally ready to 592 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: just quit um. But you know, it's it's been a 593 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: rough go. But I do, I do have a feeling 594 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: that there is some sort of run in this team. 595 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be a matter of whether or not 596 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: they ever tap into that really really quick before we 597 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: before we close, and you know, if this is the 598 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the elog Frank Vogo 599 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: as a coach, But he's not a bad coach, right, 600 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: Like he might just not be the fit for this team. 601 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: But it's a great point. That doesn't mean Frank Boto 602 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: is a bad coach. It doesn't mean his philosophies are correct, 603 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean his defensive philosophies don't have, you know, an 604 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: imprint on the game with the correct lineups and stuff. 605 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: But this might just not be this This just might 606 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: not be the team for him. There's just a disconnect 607 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: maybe between him the front office superstar whatever, between their 608 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: value systems, and maybe that's just what it is. But 609 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: Frank Vogo is a good coach and he's gonna, you know, 610 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: be in the NBA for a very long time, even 611 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: if it's not here. So I just wanted to give 612 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: that shout out. His adjustments in the playoffs I thought 613 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: were excellent defensively, so so I give him a shout out. 614 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: And because it was a lot of negativity towards him 615 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: today and I know, I think he's a good coach 616 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: that maybe just doesn't fit this team. I'm gonna save 617 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: my eulogy for Friday because I don't know if I 618 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: can muster up the proper list of works. I mean, 619 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: you said at yourself, man like he he because of 620 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: his rigid approach. He's he's best with the team that 621 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: has a talent set that fits his scheme. He was 622 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: too stubborn the whole time, and he never leave like 623 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: even when he wanted to lean into the approach that 624 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: we were talking about. He even talked about in the 625 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: pressers about how he was fighting the urge to go back. 626 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: Remember that after that, I can't remember was at the 627 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: Minnesota game like that that That's been the story of 628 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: Frank's time here. He's been stubborn and slow to make 629 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: changes and and I think it cost him his job. 630 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: And it's the unfortunate circumstance He's not the only thing 631 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: to blame. There's so much more to blame, you know. 632 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: But I'll say I'll say one last thing about this, 633 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: and this is a This is something that my friend, 634 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: our friend ven A pointed out to me in a 635 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: conversation earlier today. Effort has been one of the biggest 636 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: problem them was for the Lakers this year. That goes 637 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: without saying, but effort is almost always directly tied to 638 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like an exchange, right, Like you're 639 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: exchanging work for results, Like if I'm gonna do a 640 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: thing that's hard, hard to do, then I expect results 641 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: to follow. And so one of the biggest things that 642 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I that I 643 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: think bit of Frank Vogel in the ask this year 644 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: is you know, it was hard for him to get 645 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: the guys to play hard because of the fact that 646 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: his schemes never really made sense with the personnel that 647 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: he was playing and the personnel was failing. And I 648 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: think that those things are directly tied to each other, 649 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: like it's I don't think that's a coincidence. I don't 650 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: think it's a coincidence that the switchy big wing lineups 651 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: that played five out basketball, played harder than the traditional 652 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: drop covers lineups that were ill suited for the scheme 653 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: they were running. And those lineups always seemed to be lethargic, 654 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: and those lineups always seemed to underperformed to the alleged 655 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: talent that they have on the floor. Those things are connected. 656 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: And I think, like again, that doesn't mean Frank step 657 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: to blame for everything, but I do think that his 658 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: fingers are in this pie quite a bit, and I 659 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: think that I don't think that he's blameless. And I 660 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: think that, you know, I think that we rudge. We 661 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: we've done our part. Man like we gave we talked, 662 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: We gave him so much slack. We talked so much 663 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: about the good things that he brings to the table. 664 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: We tried really hard to stay positive, and it just 665 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It got to the point where's too much. Well, 666 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: here's he's my last question for you, and we can 667 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: close out on this kind. We're going a little longer. 668 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: We're both guys, you know, we try to rewatch these games. 669 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: And you know, Phil Frank Boggle is not a guy 670 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: who came up because he had family in the NBA. 671 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: He's not a guy who played in the NBA at all, right, 672 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: so he has come up, was all through the film 673 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: and not saying like guys like that come up. It's 674 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: just like Frank vogel story right as a guy who 675 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: worked in the film room, started as a video editor, 676 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: and the guy who started in the video room film 677 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: and worked his way up each and every spot to 678 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: become the head coach everything he got. So my question 679 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: to you is like, this is the part that I 680 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: struggled with, Like you watch DeAndre Jordan, you know, do 681 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: the same thing through thirty million times, not give every defensively, 682 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: and yet he continued to start him. So that's like 683 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: my disconnect here, like where we all watch the same tape, 684 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: we all watch the same film. Where is that disconnect 685 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: coming from? Because there's no way in hell to me, 686 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't care what you think about Frank Vogel, there's 687 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: no way he's not seeing DeAndre Jordan. You know, take 688 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: as I say, take the path at least resistance on 689 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: every play, right, So any time that and and Frank 690 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: bo was a guy his big ist supposed to be 691 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: active and in activity and all that. So that's like 692 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: that's my last question to you, Like Where is that disconnect? 693 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: I guess because that's where I'm like, that has been 694 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: that has been my biggest like where I give Frank 695 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: Vogel credit now tonight, David Bradley stuff, you know, the 696 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony stuff is just unforgivable not playing the small ball, 697 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: But the DeAndre Jordan has been like was the first 698 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: kind of stone to be thrown, right, the first kind 699 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: of like, hey, what the hell are you doing? Why 700 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: is DeAndre Jordan's starting twenty three games? Like we've had 701 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: enough data to see that this just doesn't make any sense. 702 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: And now DeAndre Jordan is, you know, on the bench, 703 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: riding the bench alot with camp bays Moore. But that's where, 704 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: like I'm wondering that because as a film that Frank 705 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: Vogel Lizzy obviously is a guy who you know, lives 706 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: in the film room. What is that disconnected where like, Okay, 707 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: he's seeing this yet still you know, being stubborn to 708 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: go into the same things. That's my last I guess 709 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: question you there. Well, I my suspicion would be that 710 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: it's primarily tied to his philosophies mixed with the fact 711 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: that the Lakers have consistently wanted to keep Dwight Howard 712 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: off the bench. That's been a theme ever since he 713 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: signed that non guaranteed deal two years ago, just because 714 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: of his attitude issues. They were under the impression that 715 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: if they kept him coming off the bench, they could 716 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: kind of keep him focused on his dirty work responsibilities. Rather, 717 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: if you start him, it could feed his ego and 718 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: convince him that he's more important than he actually isn't 719 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: get him outside of his role, you know, kind of 720 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: like the guy who took that random pull up three 721 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: against Denver at the start of the second half. Like, 722 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: those are the kinds of things that I think wanted 723 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: the Lakers, or led the Lakers to want to have 724 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: Dwight come off the bench, which inherently forces you to 725 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: start DeAndre Jordan. I think it's primarily philosophy, but conspiracy theory. 726 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's possible that he's under a great deal 727 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: of pressure with these decisions. Like I mean, I like 728 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: it's got it. It's a little bit of like of 729 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: like a you know, a double take situation for him 730 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: to bench r Us in his last game, as the 731 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: Lakers said coach, like probably probably last game, I should 732 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: say the that very well could be an example of 733 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: of Vogel just kind of demonstrating to us that if 734 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: he had it his way, he might have done things differently, 735 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: but he might have been under some internal pressure. I'm 736 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: not sure. I don't think that's the case. I'm just 737 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: generally as a human being, I'm not much of a 738 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist. But but like that, that's certainly something that 739 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: is like worth entertaining. But my guess is it's primarily 740 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: tied to his philosophy. And you know, that's the thing, 741 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,959 Speaker 1: like like Frank's you know, Frank was a damn good coach. 742 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: This is something you and I talked a lot about 743 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: over the course of the last three years. There was 744 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: the famous story that I say a point out is 745 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: allegedly at one point Lebron and some other Lakers actually 746 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: got up and gave him a round of applause after 747 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 1: a defensive scouting session a film session where they were 748 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: going over like their defensive game plan for an opponent, 749 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: like he is one of the best defensive game planners 750 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: in the league. His adjustment of putting Anthony Davis on 751 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook in the Houston series completely swung that series 752 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: because Russ was having some success attacking mismatches against the 753 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: Laker guards in that in that Denver series, the way 754 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: he was using Dwight Howard on uh on Nicola Yokich 755 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: was very successful. And then guys like like Frank Vogel's 756 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: drop coverage scheam literally absolutely obliterated the Miami Heat in 757 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals when they actually did what he asked 758 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: in Game one, in Game six, the two games that 759 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: they ran it most proficiently, like, they literally absolutely demolished 760 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: to the Miami Heat. So there's a reason why Frank 761 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: believes in his schemes. There's a reason why he has 762 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: faith there. And here's the thing, Like, if I was 763 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: a Philly fan and for whatever reason, Doc Rivers was 764 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: out of the picture, I'd be sitting there like man 765 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: like he'd be perfect for us. There are teams around 766 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: the league where Frank's scheming fits perfect. This just isn't 767 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: one of them. This needs to be this, this would 768 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: have been. This is where the Tyler thing gets kind 769 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: of like iron because Tyler might not have been the 770 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: right coach for the Lakers, but he damn sure is 771 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: the right coach for this team with him, with with 772 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: what he's done with the Clippers. With his defensive scheming 773 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: and his offensive approach, he'd be perfect there. So Frank's 774 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: gonna land on his feet. He's gonna get another job elsewhere. 775 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: I will always be a fan of Frank and what 776 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: he brings to the table. He just he was stubborn. 777 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: He was so stubborn that he dug his own grave 778 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: on on this Laker team. And you know, I I've 779 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: kind of oscillated back and forth in this a few times. 780 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: But like when the news comes down tomorrow from Warsnowski 781 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: or from whoever the hell it comes from, that Frank 782 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: is fired, I'm not gonna feel sympathy for him. Because 783 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: when you play fifteen minutes again into Utah Jazz with 784 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: that lineup, go plus eighteen and literally win the game, 785 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: and then not even attempts to use that lineup again tonight, 786 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: that is that is coaching, now practice. And at that point, 787 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: you are showing me that you are too, that you're 788 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: so damn stubborn that you actually look at that game 789 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: and you think the winning stretch was a fluke and 790 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: the losing stretch wasn't. So you default back to those 791 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: things and hope for a different outcome. It's like it's 792 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: like with all those advanced metrics with Avery Bradley earlier 793 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: in the year, when he was like, oh, I'm aware 794 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: of the advanced metrics. I'm just I believe that they'll 795 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: turn around. It's like that's his that's his philosophy. He 796 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: doesn't actually care what happens on the scoreboard. He's he's 797 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: more concerned with like what he thinks should happen on 798 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: the scoreboard with an alleged group of players. And so 799 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: he's he's so fixed on that concept that he will 800 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: literally stare data in the face. He will stare a 801 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: scoreboard in the face and ignore the outcome because it 802 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: doesn't match with what his personal philosophies are. And I'm 803 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: it's like that that that to me is that to 804 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: me is the final mail in the coffin. And it's unfortunate. Yeah, 805 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 1: but like you know, to be just to be fair 806 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 1: to like, his philosophy paid off, like it was rewarded. 807 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: It was the right players, you know what I mean, 808 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: Like it was routed with you know, just like just 809 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: put like your shoe like on frame votus play right. 810 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: Like his philosophy paid off into a championship team and 811 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: the front office decided to flip the rust right like 812 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: like just from him, and he's like, I'm gonna change 813 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, Liek monk, You're going to chase over 814 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: the ball streams like you know what I mean. Like 815 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: that's and it's probably not the correct move, it's just 816 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: what happened. And you know that's where like my sympathy 817 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 1: comes in with this. And again he doesn't have anthy 818 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: Davis for a lot of this year, and you know, 819 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: you can we've gone back and forth in terms of 820 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: like the pauses and eggs and all that, but that's 821 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: like where I kind of go back and forth as well, 822 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: because this is the guy who's philosophy is paid off. 823 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, you know, people are talking 824 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: about Canada Mike D'Antoni offense win, right, you know what 825 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, And Mike D'Antoni everywhere he went, he took 826 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: his offense with him. You know, James Harden turned into 827 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: See Nash, turned into James Harden and turned into whoever 828 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: it was in New York. Like it's just that kind 829 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: of you know, was passed around because that's what you know, 830 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: coaches do. They believe in what they believe in. You 831 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: go twenty thirty years with the philosophy, you're going to 832 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: stick with that. And Frank Vogel was, you know, rewarded 833 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: with it, and then uh, the team kind of flipped 834 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: around him and he had to kind of adjust to that. 835 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's his fault. I would love 836 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: to know, like, did Frank Vogel want to start Andre 837 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: Dromaneszo as we did? I don't know. I don't have 838 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: answers to those questions. Does he want to start DeAndre 839 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: Doordan as much as we did? I don't know. Don't 840 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: have to answer those questions, you know what I mean? 841 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: Was he for you know, letting Crusoe walk for for 842 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: what we did? Like that stuff? Like like I don't know, 843 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: I don't have answers to. All I know is I 844 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: know what Frank Vogel likes to do. I know what 845 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: kind of stuff he likes to run, and it doesn't 846 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: fit for this team. And that's just where we are 847 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: in the crossroads. But that's where my kind of sympothy 848 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: comes in from, is that, like he's a guy whose 849 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: philosophy is paid off and then we just stripped all 850 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: of it and said start over, you know, and that 851 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: that's tough. And even though it hasn't worked out and 852 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: I've been annoyed at the Lions and stuff, I just 853 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: want to keep that context here because I think it's important, Um, 854 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: even whoever we go forward with, Like, I think that 855 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: context is import in terms of coach, star in front 856 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: office and walking in unison and and that's kind of 857 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: and I don't see that's what's happening right now. Well, 858 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: it's it's the perfect example, Roger. Like, it's if I 859 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: picked two incredibly intelligent people just at random, there's a 860 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: good chance that one of them would align more with 861 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: Republican political ideals and one would aligned with democratic political 862 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: I put that into that I was gonna I was 863 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: gonna go that route in a second. But but my 864 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: point is is, like it's possible for someone to be 865 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: extremely intelligent and to be on the wrong side of 866 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: something or on a different side of something someone else. 867 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: And so that's the thing with Frank. Like Frank this 868 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: tonight is not an example of Frank being dumb. It's 869 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: just an example of you know, I could even argue 870 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: it's just him being too smart for his own good. 871 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: And overthinking his own philosophies. But I was getting ready 872 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: to go to bed. It is it is after midnight 873 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: here in Tucson, Arizona. But we have to keep going 874 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: for a few more minutes because of this news that 875 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: Franks can wait till tomorrow morning. And Chris Haynes had 876 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: to put this out, you know, before they hop on 877 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: the flight to Orlando. Have they even left you know 878 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: whatever arena? Actually they were home tonight. What am I 879 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: talking about? They were at Crypto Arena, so I don't know. 880 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: They're probably hopping on a flight though, I mean either 881 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: probably tomorrow morning. But it's like, you know, the thing is, 882 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,399 Speaker 1: this is my initial takeaway when I saw that this 883 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: is a problem with hatching your ship out in the press, 884 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: which is which is one of my biggest tet peeves 885 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: in general in sports when you see reported excuse me, 886 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: one reporting one way or another and guys constantly trying 887 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: to control the narrative one way or the other, because 888 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: you know, Frank probably leaked all that stuff out with 889 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: the intention of controlling the narrative on his end, Like, hey, guys, 890 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to coach the team and I've got this 891 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: random mass failed coach, sitting on sitting into my coaches meetings, 892 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: trying to tell me what to do, telling me that 893 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: DeAndre George and should play more, and he's sharing that 894 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: information to try to share his end of the perspective. Meanwhile, 895 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: you also have probably you probably have Rob Polinka linking 896 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: leaking stuff about how Lebron was advocating for the Russell 897 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 1: Westbrook trade. And then like there's this the immediate leak 898 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: the next day from the from the Rambis and and 899 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: Bus camp about how there's no plans to to to 900 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: get rid of of Frank Vogel at the moment, and 901 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,760 Speaker 1: so so like all of this dirty laundry is getting 902 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: aired out in public because of this total ship show 903 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,399 Speaker 1: of a season. And this is where we land now 904 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: because now Frank does something, has a night and the 905 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: team has a night where it's like, oh, like we 906 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: actually have to make a coaching change. But now Rambis 907 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: and Bus are caught with their pants down because they 908 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: just came out with the report the other day saying 909 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: they're not going to do it. So it's like, like, Roger, 910 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: what is the point of putting of putting Frank Vogel 911 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: on that airplane tomorrow. What is the point of having 912 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: him sits six rows away from Russell Westbrook after he 913 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: just told the press that he didn't think he was 914 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: capable of winning a game against the Indiana Pacers. Like, 915 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: what's the point of all of that? Now? Now we're 916 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: entering into teenager drama here, Like this is like like like, 917 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: well this is it's l a, You're going to get drama. 918 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: It's just man, I feel like we've moved in so 919 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: far away from the basketball and we're we've gone into 920 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: like all the stuff off of it. But it's interesting 921 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: that I don't know, I don't like to me, like 922 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: the report came out that uh and you know, you 923 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: don't know who leaked it whatever, but that you know, 924 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: they're a battle evaluating Frank on a day to day basis, 925 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: that's a thurd if that's true, right, and for for 926 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: for a coach, like a day to day basis for 927 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: a coach, it just makes no sense to me, Like, 928 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: you know, just with the variation as basketball games going again, 929 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: you can decide, you know, lineup rotations and those things 930 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: and kind of uh stumble over, But I don't know 931 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: like that that's those are the time kind of reports 932 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: that come out when you're organizations going through some turmoil. Obviously, 933 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: whenever Lebrons on the team, there's going to be an 934 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: actual layer of drama and stuff. But did you see 935 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: the Lebron quote tonight? Know what was it? Oh, we 936 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: don't one about how the coaching staff. Yeah, Lebron's not 937 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: Lebron's not allowed. Lebron is not he are But this 938 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: is the funniest thing with the Lebron stuff. He somehow 939 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: has a reputation of getting coaches fired. But when you 940 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: look back, it's like Paul Silists, which was so early 941 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: in his career, Lebron didn't have the power to get 942 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,879 Speaker 1: coaches fired. And then you know David Blatt and then 943 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: Luke Walton, who objectively was terrible and may or may 944 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: not have been a rapist. So it's like like they're like, really, 945 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: the Lebron coach fire thing doesn't actually line up with reality. 946 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: And so what's funny is like I could see Lebron 947 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 1: just being like, I want to get as far away 948 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: from this as possible, Like if they get rid of him, 949 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,239 Speaker 1: it wasn't my decision because I'm not allowed. I'm not 950 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: about to let that get on my resume. Yeah, so 951 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know where they go. 952 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: And you know, whatever coach comes comes in, whatever coach 953 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: comes in here, obviously they can fix they can play 954 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: better line up. So there's a lot of stuff this 955 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: team also has to figure out internally as well. The 956 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: rust fit isn't, like I said, going anywhere. I don't 957 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: care who you bring in. I don't care if you're 958 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: bringing Jeremy Grant in the team, you know, over the deadline, 959 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,879 Speaker 1: like the rest of it has to get figured out. 960 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: A d coming back has to be reintrogated, like maybe 961 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: they see it how I see it, you know, Jason, 962 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,919 Speaker 1: that like firing Frank doesn't do much if you don't 963 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: have a replacement ready, right, Like maybe they do have 964 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: a replacement, right, I don't know. I just you know, 965 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: people are brought up Fisdale. Tusdale is just the easy decision, right. 966 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: You know, Phil Handy is another guy zero coaching experience. 967 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: I love Phil Handy, but you know, zero coaching. His 968 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: brands jumping into this. So it's just fascinating. I don't know, 969 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,399 Speaker 1: and do you trust I don't see the Lakers going 970 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: off go out and going off on some extensive coaching 971 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: search either, especially in the middle of the season, it's 972 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,760 Speaker 1: really tough. So the perfect guy for their five attack 973 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: would be Mike D'Antoni. I'm just not sure you can 974 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: bring in a coach from outside the system in the 975 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: middle of the season to try to make that work. 976 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: But he would be the perfect guy to optimize this 977 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: roster offensively, and he would absolutely lean one thousand percent 978 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: into switching everything. Maybe, but you know, Mike Cantoni's the 979 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: demens of principles have been attacked. His origidness as well 980 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: has been a right. Is ability to adjust in the 981 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: playoffs also an issue. My point only with that is 982 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: there's no perfect option out there, right, absolutely not. There's 983 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: no perfect answer. So it looks like Frank Vogel is 984 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: going to survive another you know, another game at least, 985 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: um they lose to Orlando, we'll be back here, I 986 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: guess too. To relitigate all of it, of what we 987 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: just said, I guess. But yeah, it looks like Frank 988 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: Vogel's point to survive another day. I can't. I can't 989 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: believe it, man, I can't believe it. After all those 990 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: quotes like like if I'm Frank, like if Frank's probably 991 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 1: like like just pulling into his driveway at home and 992 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 1: like getting the alert on the Chris Haine Sweet and like, 993 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: oh my god, I have to go to work tomorrow. 994 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah man, yeah, what can How are they? How are 995 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,720 Speaker 1: they keeping me out? It's like that episode of Signed 996 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 1: Feld where George Costanzas trying to get fired by the 997 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: New York Yankees, like driving around the parking lot with 998 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: the World Series trophy, just dragging around, just breaking it. 999 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: That's literally what Frank did. And he's coming back just 1000 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. But I, you know, I I 1001 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: for his sake. I hope he's gone for his sake, 1002 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: because like he doesn't seem happy, he doesn't seem happy 1003 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: with the players trying to implement his scheme and obviously 1004 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: it's just not a good fit anymore. And and that's 1005 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: just that's just kind of where we're at. But did 1006 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: you have anything else you wanted to hit, buddy before 1007 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: we call it night? I think that's pretty much it. 1008 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I just I'm not saying I disagree 1009 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: with that. I just I think, you know, if Frank 1010 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: can stay, and he does stay, and it looks like 1011 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: he will, I think there's a justments that you can make. 1012 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,439 Speaker 1: You know, tomorrow or even the next day, we'll see 1013 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: if they happen. But I think it's just tough man. 1014 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: Moving on. I've always said, you know, organizations that go 1015 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: through coaches on just like a regular basis, those are ones. 1016 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: Those are bad organizations. You know, you'll see like I 1017 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: don't like the Kings or something. They'll have like six 1018 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: coaches in the last eight years or something like. You know, 1019 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: those are the kind of stuff you see from bad 1020 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,759 Speaker 1: organ zation. So there's like a you know, there's a 1021 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,240 Speaker 1: gray area here. But maybe it's his time. I'm not sure. 1022 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: I just it's tough for me to kind of just 1023 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: get fully on that board yet. So well, but the Lakers, 1024 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: like the Lakers not there either, So we're gonna go. 1025 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna play this out for another game. What a 1026 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: soap opera? Man? Al Right, everybody, So I think this 1027 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: went on long enough, then I'm probably just gonna split 1028 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: it into two parts, uh, since we got a couple 1029 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: of days to kill here, but I'll put part one 1030 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: before Twitter spaces crashed on us. I'll put that on 1031 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,439 Speaker 1: our our podcast feed for two for immediately, So give 1032 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: it about a half hour and then I'll put the 1033 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: second part for Thursday was that Friday morning. But as always, guys, 1034 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: we appreciate your support. If you haven't subscribed yet to 1035 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: the State of the Lakers podcast, you can find the 1036 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: link on my Twitter page. I'm pretty sure Rog has 1037 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 1: it on his Twitter page as well. But we take 1038 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: the recordings from every one of these spaces and we 1039 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: put them on there. So if you missed any part 1040 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,239 Speaker 1: of it, obviously we got uh pretty deep into the 1041 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: frank stuff at the beginning. Um, But like I said, 1042 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys to support. We will be back 1043 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: right after the final buzzer early game on Friday. I 1044 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: think it starts at like three o'clock your time, Roads 1045 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 1: just so a really a really early game, but we 1046 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: will be there. Are you heading out of town for 1047 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,840 Speaker 1: that one? Are you gonna be here for that one? No? 1048 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: So I leave Saturday morning? Okay? Cool? Friday, all right, 1049 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: So we will see you guys after the Orlando game 1050 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: on Friday. Thanks, everyone, appreciate it.