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Speaker 1: I Smell pop Culture with Eastern Allen, an iHeartRadio podcast.
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Speaker 1: so happy to have you. Here's what we do here
Speaker 1: on Gilmore Girls, the classic show Gilmore Girls. We love it.
Speaker 1: They reference pop culture all the time, they cram it
Speaker 1: into the script. There's so many per episode. What we
Speaker 1: do here on I Smell pop Culture is we take
Speaker 1: a big whiff, we smell it. We talk to the
Speaker 1: people that are behind these pop culture moments, these icons,
Speaker 1: these songs, these movies, these characters. We talk to them
Speaker 1: and we find out what makes someone a pop culture reference.
Speaker 1: How do you become that. How do you create something
Speaker 1: that has such an indelible mark on culture that it
Speaker 1: gets referenced in Gilmore Girls? How is that done? That
Speaker 1: is what we do here, and this is what we're
Speaker 1: doing this week. It's so exciting. We're going back to
Speaker 1: season six, episode fourteen. You've been Gilmour remember that episode. So,
Speaker 1: Rory's dad, Christopher, is visiting her at Yale. She gave
Speaker 1: him a tour. She tells them that she moved in
Speaker 1: with Logan. But at the end of the episode, Rory's
Speaker 1: talking to Laurai and Laura's trying to pretend that she
Speaker 1: doesn't know that Rory and Logan moved in together, but
Speaker 1: they're making small talk. She Rory tells Laura le I
Speaker 1: about how her dad came to visit her, and Rory
Speaker 1: says it was nice, he saw the campus, we had dinner,
Speaker 1: and Laura I says, oh, how very seventh Heaven of you.
Speaker 1: So seventh Heaven. This this is really exciting. We've talked
Speaker 1: about this before, but there's a there's an idea in
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls that I kind of love is that it's
Speaker 1: such a real show. The world, sorry, the world of
Speaker 1: the show is so real. It feels so fleshed out.
Speaker 1: This line proves that they are watching Seventh Heaven exists
Speaker 1: in the world of Gilmore Girls. They are also on
Speaker 1: the WB just like Gilmore Girls. So there there is
Speaker 1: a chance that Lauri, Laurel Hy and Rory are sitting
Speaker 1: down or watching Seventh Heaven. So Laura said that because
Speaker 1: Seventh Heaven is a very wholesome show. It's it's family values,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very uh, you know, a tender
Speaker 1: loving show, and it's very wholesome that Rory took her
Speaker 1: dad around campus. So here's what we're going to do today.
Speaker 1: We are going to talk to of the stars of
Speaker 1: Seventh Heaven. That's right, the Camden family. We're talking to
Speaker 1: Beverly Mitchell, David Gallagher, and Mackenzie Rosman. They played Beverly
Speaker 1: played Lucy, David played Simon, and Mackenzie played Ruthie Camden,
Speaker 1: all children on the Seventh Heaven Show. It ran for
Speaker 1: eleven seasons starting in nineteen ninety six. So wild, there's
Speaker 1: so much to get into. They are the coolest people
Speaker 1: in the world. They have a podcast also on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: It's called Catching Up with the Camdens. They're rewatching Seventh
Speaker 1: Heaven just like we do here on I am all in,
Speaker 1: So if you love Seventh Heaven, you should definitely check
Speaker 1: out their podcast. And we're going to talk to them
Speaker 1: about being referenced in Gilmore Girls, growing up on a set,
Speaker 1: being on one of the most iconic TV shows of
Speaker 1: all time. You know, super casual. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: They're here, Hi, everybody, Thanks so much for doing this.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3: You're very welcome.
Speaker 1: So, okay, before we get started here, I want everyone
Speaker 1: we were just talking before we began about how this
Speaker 1: is theater of the mind, this is an audio medium.
Speaker 1: I want there's there's three of you here. This is
Speaker 1: the most we've ever had before. I don't want people
Speaker 1: to get confused. So I'm going to ask you each
Speaker 1: to say your name, your height, and your favorite color
Speaker 1: so we can learn your voices. Who wants to go, Beverly,
Speaker 1: We'll start with you.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, my name is Beverly Mitchell. I am five one.
Speaker 4: And what was the other That sounded like a lie,
Speaker 4: didn't it?
Speaker 1: Your voice went up.
Speaker 3: The knack?
Speaker 1: And what's your favorite color?
Speaker 2: My favorite color is blue?
Speaker 1: All right, great choice? Okay, Dave, you state your name,
Speaker 1: height and favorite color.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I'll slate.
Speaker 4: My name is David Gallagher. I am five ten and
Speaker 4: my favorite color is purple.
Speaker 1: All right, great. And Mackenzie, my name.
Speaker 5: Is Mackenzie Rosman and my driver's license says five feet
Speaker 5: and my favorite color is blue.
Speaker 1: All right, okay, great, Now that that's out of the
Speaker 1: way everyone. I hope you listening took notes. There will
Speaker 1: be quiz at the end. So the reason we're talking
Speaker 1: to you guys today. The connection to Gilmore Girls is
Speaker 1: there's a point in Gilmore Girls where Rory is talking
Speaker 1: to her mother, Laura Lai, and she says the exact
Speaker 1: quote is it was nice he saw the campus, we
Speaker 1: had dinner, and then Laura says, oh, how very seventh
Speaker 1: Heaven of you? Uh seventh Heaven. Such a such a
Speaker 1: wholesome show. That's what everyone loves about It's what we
Speaker 1: all remember about it. I want to know when you
Speaker 1: guys were on the show, like as children, which we'll
Speaker 1: get into, I mean incredibly like really grew up on
Speaker 1: this show. How did it feel having that like wholesome
Speaker 1: kind of reputation. Did you did you like that? Did
Speaker 1: you want to get away from that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think all of us that maybe at
Speaker 5: one point wanted to do more sweaty teenager things, probably
Speaker 5: on screen, but ultimately I think we were pretty we
Speaker 5: were pretty grateful for for what Seventh Heaven was, and.
Speaker 6: You know how wonderful it was to shoot.
Speaker 7: I think that as much as I may have like
Speaker 7: wanted to do like the more risque like Buffy type
Speaker 7: shows like that was one not in my nature or
Speaker 7: not in my wheel house.
Speaker 6: And I think we saw ourselves as much sexier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw yeah, but but I.
Speaker 7: Think what was cool was being on the WB allowed
Speaker 7: us access to all of these other shows. So it
Speaker 7: was kind of like a high school where like we
Speaker 7: were kind of like one crowd, but we definitely interact
Speaker 7: with all the other crowds. So like there were times
Speaker 7: where we did do the like kind of like you know,
Speaker 7: the dub ABABAWWB like shoots. Those were always fun, and
Speaker 7: I think that's that was like just enough. That's all
Speaker 7: I needed, was just like one night of like pretending
Speaker 7: and then I was like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we I mean, I think, like Max said, all
Speaker 4: of us at different points as teenagers and kids, like
Speaker 4: felt differently about it over time, there were definitely times
Speaker 4: where I, you know, I was envious a bit of
Speaker 4: like the cooler, sexier shows and like, you know, the
Speaker 4: the work that they got to do and the reputation
Speaker 4: that came with being on a kind of show that
Speaker 4: was considered cool. But then like you know, our set
Speaker 4: was like notoriously easy, friendly, you know, inviting, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, looking back on it, I think we had
Speaker 4: one of the one of the best gigs in town.
Speaker 2: Really, I definitely agree agree.
Speaker 1: Something I really like listening to your podcast, Catching Up
Speaker 1: with the Camdens by the way, available on iHeartRadio or
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, I really see there's like
Speaker 1: such a real friendship between you guys, and that's something
Speaker 1: that I really love and I think is so cool because,
Speaker 1: like you hear stories about some of these shows where
Speaker 1: people you know, you don't always get along and things
Speaker 1: like that, and like hearing that, like the set, especially
Speaker 1: you guys are so young, was such a welcome and
Speaker 1: inviting place that so that makes me so happy. First
Speaker 1: of all, So, like, what was your relationship like off camera,
Speaker 1: especially in those early days, Like, did you guys get
Speaker 1: along right away?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think we did, honestly, I mean.
Speaker 4: We we all, you know, we spent most of our
Speaker 4: days together for for that entire decade, So it's you know,
Speaker 4: we we all kind of just grew up together. And
Speaker 4: and so in that way, we our friendship was very familial,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And it's in its tone
Speaker 4: and it's and we've kept that. I come from a
Speaker 4: big family, so I had that dynamic at home as well.
Speaker 3: You know that that.
Speaker 4: Kind of like we all love each other, but we
Speaker 4: give each other and we we you know, keep each other,
Speaker 4: you know, in check kind of a thing. And so
Speaker 4: that energy existed on the set between all of us.
Speaker 4: And you know, when we were younger that our age
Speaker 4: gaps kind of felt bigger than they were. And now
Speaker 4: that we're adults, they're gone essentially, So like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's I think that in that way again, we're really
Speaker 4: lucky that we had we had a set filled with
Speaker 4: people that you know, that that were good people.
Speaker 7: You know, And I do think that we I do
Speaker 7: think it's more than friendship. I think we definitely have
Speaker 7: like a family bond and understanding, and what we all
Speaker 7: experienced together is something that like nobody else could really
Speaker 7: relate to except for those of us who were in it,
Speaker 7: so our love and understanding and showing up.
Speaker 2: I mean we could like we did. We went for
Speaker 2: years kind.
Speaker 7: Of losing touch a little bit just because life happened,
Speaker 7: and then when you put us all back together, it
Speaker 7: was as if we hadn't skipped a day.
Speaker 5: But then, like I said, like the age differences were
Speaker 5: so great. I mean, most a lot of shows have
Speaker 5: you know, most of the cast is relatively the same age.
Speaker 5: We were all different ages, so you know, there wasn't
Speaker 5: a lot of hanging out after work. But I mean
Speaker 5: you and Jesse were closer, but David was trying to
Speaker 5: hang out with Barry, but that never really worked out.
Speaker 1: It never worked out for me, no, I mean looking
Speaker 1: at how old you guys were when you started the show.
Speaker 1: I mean, so let me know if I have this right.
Speaker 1: David you were eleven years old, Beverly you were fifteen,
Speaker 1: and McKenzie you were six years old when you started
Speaker 1: seventh seven. Yeah, that is so like the concept of
Speaker 1: like being I mean, I cannot imagine being a child actor.
Speaker 1: It's just like such a wild way to spend those years,
Speaker 1: but like on such a big show, especially like what
Speaker 1: how did it feel when the show like really got big, Like,
Speaker 1: how did that feel to you? I mean, seeing yourself
Speaker 1: on TV?
Speaker 2: Was that?
Speaker 1: Did that ever? Did you ever get used to that?
Speaker 1: I'm so curious.
Speaker 6: That's kind of all I knew.
Speaker 5: Like, honestly, I was on television before I knew how
Speaker 5: television worked, so like, it seems strange that kind of
Speaker 5: childhood seems strange to you, but to me, it's like
Speaker 5: perfectly normal. And you know, I don't know, but.
Speaker 6: It didn't really seem strange at all, honestly.
Speaker 5: And I had no really like idea of when the
Speaker 5: show was big or when it wasn't, because I was
Speaker 5: in my little bubble of.
Speaker 6: You know, juvenile whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: I started working on Seventh Heaven the year that I
Speaker 4: my family moved to California. I'm from New York and
Speaker 4: I started my career there, so so I had kind
Speaker 4: of built up a career already the prior few years.
Speaker 4: I had done some film and television and stuff, and
Speaker 4: so I was already kind of accustomed to the kind
Speaker 4: of life of a child actor and was just very
Speaker 4: happy that, you know, our my family's big, risky move
Speaker 4: across the country to plant me in the city where
Speaker 4: you know, I could possibly take this and run with it,
Speaker 4: you know, for the rest of my life paid off
Speaker 4: in a serious way. And so, you know, I tell
Speaker 4: people all the time, like I was a set kid.
Speaker 4: I grew up on sets. So like my childhood. A
Speaker 4: lot of people's childhood is filled with memories of school
Speaker 4: because that's where you spend you know, ninety percent of
Speaker 4: your social time and energy. But ninety percent of my
Speaker 4: social time and energy was on sets with adults typically,
Speaker 4: So like most of my memories growing up are from sets,
Speaker 4: and then I have a few memories from school.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like a secondary thing.
Speaker 1: Guys, this is so much fun. We have so much
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Speaker 1: smell pop culture. We are here with Beverly, David and Mackenzie.
Speaker 1: They are the Camden children from Seventh Heaven. They're hanging
Speaker 1: out with us. Where'd you Guys film Seventh Heaven. Where
Speaker 1: was that shot?
Speaker 2: We were in Santa Monica.
Speaker 7: Wow, in an old warehouse that was you could hear
Speaker 7: the planes from Santa Monica Airport. And we definitely had
Speaker 7: leaks in the roof where we trash cans out to
Speaker 7: catch water.
Speaker 2: So we were not on a fancy lots. We didn't know,
Speaker 2: not at all yet, but you know what it was home.
Speaker 5: The privacy was nice though. I mean we kind of
Speaker 5: had our own compound.
Speaker 3: We were in our own world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we had you know, we had a big
Speaker 4: outdoor kind of parking lot back lot area that they
Speaker 4: over the years they made the most out of for sure,
Speaker 4: like that they had built. Like by the end, we
Speaker 4: had our backyard set kind of behind the parking lot.
Speaker 4: We had all of our trailers for schooling and our
Speaker 4: private trailers.
Speaker 3: Then we had a full promenade set.
Speaker 4: Which we used for years that they completely custom built,
Speaker 4: like between where we ate lunch and where the offices were. Like,
Speaker 4: so every every space that we had eventually just got
Speaker 4: turned out for the show in one way or another.
Speaker 4: And then we had we had two big interior spaces,
Speaker 4: our A and B stage. So not only was our
Speaker 4: full house set on our sound stage, but we also
Speaker 4: had our school set, the hospital set, other homes they
Speaker 4: would throw up when they needed, we had the room
Speaker 4: for that. We had the pool hall. Like different locations
Speaker 4: that we would frequent, they just would put it right
Speaker 4: on our sound stage. So oftentimes we were just in
Speaker 4: our space, you know. And only in the first few
Speaker 4: years did we really spend you know, a decent portion
Speaker 4: of our time on location. Really, in the end, everything
Speaker 4: had come into our space.
Speaker 2: So the only place that never we never built was
Speaker 2: the church.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: The church was our one mainstay location that we always
Speaker 4: went to shoot in in North Hollywood.
Speaker 6: We did have Sea Stage also later on.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: Well, at some point in the end game, we kind
Speaker 4: of outgrew our sound stage with how many locations we
Speaker 4: were regularly using, so then we ended up getting another. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and how many children and home sets we needed and
Speaker 4: things for everyone who was growing up on the show.
Speaker 6: We stopped it so many was Sea Stage where the
Speaker 6: Kinkirks lived.
Speaker 1: It was right, yes, and so, and that was on
Speaker 1: the compound too, The Sea stage you're talking about.
Speaker 2: It was a separate place in Culver City.
Speaker 3: I was in Culver City, yet it wasn't too far
Speaker 3: away though.
Speaker 1: That's so awesome that you just have this like seventh Heaven, Like, uh,
Speaker 1: did you have like a fun name for it. It's
Speaker 1: like this compound you were you were in in Santa Monica,
Speaker 1: was was it called? Like, I don't know, wasn't you
Speaker 1: call it Heaven?
Speaker 3: I mean, I just know it was just it was
Speaker 3: just the set, like it was our set.
Speaker 4: But it was like so many people were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: where do you guys film?
Speaker 3: You guys over at Warner Brothers.
Speaker 4: Are you guys down at the but and We're like, no,
Speaker 4: we're just we're in Santa Monica.
Speaker 2: Just you know, like you weren't just down the road
Speaker 2: from Buffy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had one neighbor that was.
Speaker 7: Buffy had one neighbor which is Buffy, and we were
Speaker 7: when we started hearing about their hours, we were very
Speaker 7: happy to stay on our stage with Arch, with our
Speaker 7: row because we were we didn't work. They're what they
Speaker 7: put in was and are set so much easier.
Speaker 6: Let's face it, there aren't many daytime vampires though, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so you.
Speaker 1: Know you're signing up for when you enter the world
Speaker 1: of the bloodsuckers, you know, yeah, and I do want
Speaker 1: to point out this church you guys mentioned in North
Speaker 1: Hollywood is the same church from the Office, so any
Speaker 1: Office fans out there.
Speaker 2: It's also Young Sheldon.
Speaker 1: I believe this is a very famous church, a.
Speaker 2: Very very popular church.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well it's it's one of the.
Speaker 4: Largest traditional looking churches that is that is in kind
Speaker 4: of the North Hollywood area.
Speaker 3: And uh and.
Speaker 4: So obviously a lot of places shoot there, so much
Speaker 4: so actually we recently went and visited it, and they
Speaker 4: have like light rigging setups permanently in the in the
Speaker 4: ceiling area of the all around the building, so like
Speaker 4: because so many studios come in and out to shoot,
Speaker 4: they just have rigging ready at all times.
Speaker 6: Wow, here, please don't break our stuff attached to this.
Speaker 1: Such a such a Hollywood church thing to do, that's exactly.
Speaker 4: But if that's any indication of how often it's used,
Speaker 4: you know, they were so nice.
Speaker 6: When we went to visit, though. I enjoy that.
Speaker 1: I mean that must be fun for like the people
Speaker 1: that are working there now, like like knowing that you
Speaker 1: have this like famous church and like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the Seventh Heaven people are coming back. That's gotta be fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, no, one who or maybe I think one person
Speaker 4: was there who was still there from from the time
Speaker 4: we were there, but most everyone who was you know
Speaker 4: in the facility there, you know, working, was not there
Speaker 4: when we were there. So so it was kind of like,
Speaker 4: you know, this his historical thing about the building that
Speaker 4: was coming back for the day.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: So Seventh Heaven premieres in nineteen ninety six, and then
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls was just a few years later, also on
Speaker 1: thewwbright any opportunity to say that, I will take do
Speaker 1: you guys, do you remember like when Gilmore Girls came,
Speaker 1: like when it came out, did you feel like competition
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I'm curious what the show, the
Speaker 1: WB shows how you felt about each other during that time.
Speaker 7: I we loved all the new shows because it was
Speaker 7: like more people to get to meet and be friends with.
Speaker 7: And I don't I guess I don't think our show
Speaker 7: ever felt competition because we also knew we were our
Speaker 7: own little we were our own little engine, like we
Speaker 7: were we were, to be honest, the show that no
Speaker 7: one ever thought was gonna make it. So every year
Speaker 7: we were all kind of like, well we might hopefully
Speaker 7: I'll see it next year. But like we never knew,
Speaker 7: so we always just kind of were just happy to
Speaker 7: be there and we were proud to be a part
Speaker 7: of everything. But I don't know, I guess I never
Speaker 7: felt any competition like amongst any of the shows or
Speaker 7: the actors. I think we were all just excited to
Speaker 7: hang out and proud and excited that people are making
Speaker 7: their dreams come true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I agree we were such a unique
Speaker 4: show on the WB as a network. I think all
Speaker 4: of the competition really was among the other you know,
Speaker 4: sexy shows that were doing that thing, and so that
Speaker 4: was not something any of us ever felt threatened by
Speaker 4: or that we needed to worry about it. We knew
Speaker 4: that we were kind of we were the odd egg,
Speaker 4: you know, among the shows. So having Gilmore Girls come out,
Speaker 4: which was another flavor of family drama, was welcome, you know,
Speaker 4: welcome to us because it it maybe made our show
Speaker 4: feel less out of place, you know. And I don't
Speaker 4: think Gilmore Girls was just like us in any serious way,
Speaker 4: but but because it it had a kind of like
Speaker 4: that family underpinning to it, maybe it did some heavy
Speaker 4: lifting bridging the gap between us and some of the
Speaker 4: other shows on the network.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, no, absolutely, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: So you guys ran for eleven seasons, did you you said,
Speaker 1: like you kept wondering, like is this the end or
Speaker 1: the like? Did you feel like we do the entire
Speaker 1: run every year?
Speaker 3: We said by every year like we weren't coming back.
Speaker 3: It was a joke. At some point.
Speaker 4: It was like a we there was no year where
Speaker 4: we knew for sure we were coming back first of all,
Speaker 4: like but at some point through the middle run, we
Speaker 4: knew we were pretty safe, you know, but still we
Speaker 4: you know, at that point it was already kind of
Speaker 4: a running joke where we were just like, all right, bye,
Speaker 4: maybe i'll see.
Speaker 3: You next year.
Speaker 4: You know, it's been fun, you know, And and we
Speaker 4: just did that every year as you know that that
Speaker 4: just got like I said, it became our you know,
Speaker 4: our running joke. At the end of the season, we
Speaker 4: just all said bye, like it was over and uh
Speaker 4: and then it wasn't. And even when they said it
Speaker 4: was over, because there was a few times where they
Speaker 4: said like, yeah, we were probably not coming back next year,
Speaker 4: and then we would so like that also yeah multiple.
Speaker 7: Times, and I think like yeah, probably, Yeah, it.
Speaker 6: Was a lot definitely definitely eleven we didn't think was happening. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that is the most It's right.
Speaker 1: It's so wild to think about because it's like it's
Speaker 1: one of those like I don't want to I don't
Speaker 1: want to blow too much smoke up your ass, but
Speaker 1: like Seventh Heaven is one of those shows that's like
Speaker 1: like legendary, uh TV dramas, you know, like like it's
Speaker 1: everyone has seen Seventh Heaven. Everyone's at least like it
Speaker 1: was just always my house was just always on Like
Speaker 1: I remember, like I just walked into a room in
Speaker 1: Seventh Heaven was just on TV like and uh, it's beloved.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves it. I want to ask about how you
Speaker 1: look at it now in the future, but first we
Speaker 1: have to take a commercial break really quick. Stick around everybody,
Speaker 1: it's I Smell pop Culture. It is I Smell pop culture.
Speaker 1: My name is Easton Allen. I'm hanging out here with Mackenzie,
Speaker 1: Beverly David from Seventh Heaven and they have a podcast,
Speaker 1: Catching Up with the Camdens. It's on iHeartRadio. You can
Speaker 1: get it wherever you listen to podcasts. You guys are
Speaker 1: rewatching the show, how like I hear from so many
Speaker 1: people that were on television shows like in the nineties,
Speaker 1: and they say like, oh, I never watched it at all,
Speaker 1: Like this is our first time if doing a rewatch
Speaker 1: podcast or somebody is your first time? Is that the
Speaker 1: case for you guys? Had you seen it before before
Speaker 1: you do the podcast.
Speaker 6: Part parts of it?
Speaker 7: I'd seen some episodes, like I think definitely at the beginning,
Speaker 7: I was, you know, definitely, because I was like fifteen,
Speaker 7: I definitely aired a lot, so I got I was watching,
Speaker 7: and we all know.
Speaker 2: That David hadn't watched.
Speaker 7: So this has all been like a brand new beginning.
Speaker 4: Like Beverly, I did watch the show through the first season,
Speaker 4: mostly because you know, my family was very excited about it.
Speaker 4: But oftentimes I would come back from set and the
Speaker 4: show would be on, you know, my family would be
Speaker 4: watching it.
Speaker 3: When I got home.
Speaker 4: I typically had to drive, you know to get home,
Speaker 4: so it was, you know, i'd get home, the show
Speaker 4: would be halfway through or whatever, and then through the
Speaker 4: at some point I fell off watching it, you know,
Speaker 4: and so I I when we get to the you know,
Speaker 4: the next few seasons, I'm definitely gonna not remember too
Speaker 4: much about the speci civis of the episodes, but through
Speaker 4: the first season, maybe first two seasons, I definitely watched
Speaker 4: a good majority of it with my family.
Speaker 1: And so are you rewatching it as adults and in
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty five, I mean, how has it been?
Speaker 1: Has this been a fun experience? Is it? Is it making?
Speaker 1: Is it uncomfortable?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 1: How is it for you guys watching yourselves that young especially,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of all of.
Speaker 3: It, you know, it's I think it's been.
Speaker 4: I've been I could say personally, I've been pleasantly surprised
Speaker 4: watching it quite a few times with how how well
Speaker 4: I think some of it has aged. Some of our
Speaker 4: key moments and episodes I think have aged phenomenally well
Speaker 4: for how old they were and for my you know,
Speaker 4: loose memories of them where I was worried about it,
Speaker 4: and then you know, and then obviously there's other moments
Speaker 4: that have not aged that well, and and we get
Speaker 4: to laugh about that stuff too, you know, like it's funny.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like this hair episode, Yeah, one of the best, Yeah,
Speaker 7: one of your best.
Speaker 3: I mean that's.
Speaker 4: Something I had completely forgotten about. And then when we
Speaker 4: rewatched it and I was like, oh god, I can't
Speaker 4: like it all came back like at once where I
Speaker 4: was like, and I didn't remember the episode so much
Speaker 4: as I remember just my my embarrassment of like them
Speaker 4: trying to explain to me that, like I like this girl,
Speaker 4: so I was gonna smell her hair, and I was like,
Speaker 4: that is the creepiest, Like even at eleven, I was like,
Speaker 4: that is creep You can't do that, you know.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, there was.
Speaker 4: I think so overall, I've been pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 7: But I think it's fun too, because I mean it's
Speaker 7: fun and the fact that we're like watching some of
Speaker 7: these very awkward moments that were like on national television,
Speaker 7: but there's also some there's sweetness to it, and there's
Speaker 7: like that vulnerabil that we like shared with the world,
Speaker 7: but like now that we're all parents and we're all
Speaker 7: kind of looking at it through these different eyes being like,
Speaker 7: oh my goodness, like is this what are some of.
Speaker 2: Our future conversations are going to be about?
Speaker 7: Like, but it it's I think it's been fun, and
Speaker 7: it's also fun to see us all as babies.
Speaker 9: Man, Like, yeah, it's like watching home videos honestly exactly,
Speaker 9: but they're you know, better lit exactly.
Speaker 1: That's so cool to have these like, yeah, these professionally
Speaker 1: shot home movies basically of yourself.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, like we.
Speaker 5: Don't need any evidence of our childhoods. It's like right there,
Speaker 5: immortalized forever, for.
Speaker 6: The good or the bad.
Speaker 5: Actually, but honestly, like, rewatching it for me has been
Speaker 5: really cool because I was so young when these first
Speaker 5: seasons were on, Like literally everything was over my head
Speaker 5: figuratively and literally. But I'm just really really impressed with
Speaker 5: the quality of the writing and the acting.
Speaker 6: Like we've all.
Speaker 5: Been voting Catherine like m VP of virtually every episode,
Speaker 5: well not everyone, but most of them, And so it's
Speaker 5: kind of like seeing a brand new show with brand
Speaker 5: new with new eyes for me at least, because I
Speaker 5: definitely didn't. I mean it was on like after an
Speaker 5: hour after my bedtime for basically the whole time it
Speaker 5: was on.
Speaker 1: Something that like I hear from For example, the people
Speaker 1: from Boy Meets World talk about like when they got
Speaker 1: to a certain age, the writers were using things from
Speaker 1: their real life to influence the show. Did that happen
Speaker 1: for you guys? Did that? Did that happen on Seventh Heaven?
Speaker 2: It did for it did for Lucy for sure.
Speaker 7: In the first season of shooting Seventh Heaven, right after
Speaker 7: we app one of my friends passed away in a
Speaker 7: car accident and they actually ended up. Brenda talked to
Speaker 7: me and asked me if we could make it into
Speaker 7: an episode, which we ended up doing, which was nothing
Speaker 7: in Doors but change, And they definitely took cues from
Speaker 7: what we were experiencing in life and definitely put it,
Speaker 7: you know, into the stories. That's where it was also
Speaker 7: for us especially, I think for especially the kids on
Speaker 7: the show, the connection between where our character characters ended.
Speaker 2: And where we began was sometimes muddied.
Speaker 7: So it's funny because a lot of people are like,
Speaker 7: are you like Lucy, And I'm like, no, yes, a
Speaker 7: lot like you know, I think there is. But I
Speaker 7: think that's also because as Brenda got to know us better,
Speaker 7: she wrote a lot of our personalities and our quirks,
Speaker 7: like Lucy was always talking fast and she talked a
Speaker 7: lot and choose a bit bossy.
Speaker 2: Those are all kind of qualities that you know, I
Speaker 2: may or may not have.
Speaker 6: I definitely think too, especially when when you when you're
Speaker 6: writing a show with that many characters, you can only
Speaker 6: have each character so fleshed out when you start, like
Speaker 6: the it's definitely going to be discover as you go
Speaker 6: for writing, I would think, given, I mean, there are
Speaker 6: so many people too in it, and they're young, and like,
Speaker 6: how are they going to evolve? What are they going
Speaker 6: to turn into? Because writing an.
Speaker 5: Adult, yeah, they could be the same relatively the same
Speaker 5: person for three five, seven seasons, but a kid is
Speaker 5: going to be substantially different.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And so you guys are doing the like you've
Speaker 1: done nineties con You've done these conventions and stuff and
Speaker 1: like met fans and I mean even like rules that
Speaker 1: aren't like your show was on for so long and
Speaker 1: there's so much of you in these characters. I mean,
Speaker 1: is it weird to me? Fans? And then they kind
Speaker 1: of they have a hard time separating, like treating you
Speaker 1: like the character. That must happen a lot of these things,
Speaker 1: right or I mean, I.
Speaker 7: Do think that there's obviously they've grown up with us
Speaker 7: a certain way. So yes, there's this assumption that we're
Speaker 7: very much like our characters, and I think in a
Speaker 7: lot of ways we are, So I don't think it's
Speaker 7: I don't think it's as weird. I think, if anything,
Speaker 7: the I think the comments that all of us often
Speaker 7: get is how like if you see us out in
Speaker 7: the wild, people think like that they've.
Speaker 2: Like either grown up with us, that they went to
Speaker 2: high school.
Speaker 7: There, and they always throw you in this awkward position
Speaker 7: where you're like, no, I promise you I did not
Speaker 7: go to your high school. When you went to my
Speaker 7: prom with my cousin, I'm like, I did not go
Speaker 7: to problem with your cousin. It's just that familiar face.
Speaker 7: But it's also because our show was not you know,
Speaker 7: we were in their homes and we felt like family
Speaker 7: to them. So I think often what we find at
Speaker 7: like nineties con is like people truly feeling like we
Speaker 7: helped them through.
Speaker 2: Their darkest days.
Speaker 7: We were there through you know, death of their grandparents
Speaker 7: or whatever they're going through, Like their connection to us
Speaker 7: is much deeper, and it's a very to be honest,
Speaker 7: we feel honored that they gave us this opportunity because,
Speaker 7: to be honest, like without any of the fans, without
Speaker 7: anybody watching our show, never would have made it those
Speaker 7: eleven years, and we wouldn't be doing this podcast because
Speaker 7: no one would want to listen. So we are eternally
Speaker 7: grateful for all everybody's support through the years, right, what.
Speaker 1: A special thing to like like a special way to
Speaker 1: be part of people's lives too. I think about that
Speaker 1: a lot. It's uh because again, like I'm sure people
Speaker 1: could back and rewatch Seventh Heavens. It's a comforting show,
Speaker 1: not unlike Gilmore Girls. Like as you're rewatching the podcast
Speaker 1: or sorry, the show for the podcast, like the fans
Speaker 1: are probably watching along with you, right, are you like
Speaker 1: hearing from fans that are following along.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so people in our audience will we'll rewatch the
Speaker 4: episode that we're discussing.
Speaker 3: We don't do the rewatch on the pod.
Speaker 4: We usually we'll rewatch it like on our private time,
Speaker 4: and then we come together to discuss the episode and
Speaker 4: and and try to flesh out what it is that
Speaker 4: we may or may not remember from that episode, if anything.
Speaker 4: You know, which is which is kind of different depending
Speaker 4: on you know, obviously we have our show always had
Speaker 4: probably two tent pole episodes per season. You know that
Speaker 4: we're like a bigger deal than the other episodes. You know,
Speaker 4: we did a lot of those like very special Seventh
Speaker 4: heaven events kind of thing, you know, And so you know,
Speaker 4: our memories about specific episodes.
Speaker 3: Kind of wane a little bit, you know, as we
Speaker 3: go through.
Speaker 4: But but I definitely have that experience with with fans
Speaker 4: from the pot that there's I think all actors, but
Speaker 4: particularly actors who are known for specific things. You can
Speaker 4: you can kind of think of your fans as two
Speaker 4: distinct groups. You have the fans of like the thing,
Speaker 4: so the thing you're known for, and that's what they love.
Speaker 4: And so in that way, those fans are really coming
Speaker 4: to see the character that they love, you know, like
Speaker 4: those are fans of Simon, those are fans of the family,
Speaker 4: those are Seventh Heaven fans, you know, as opposed to
Speaker 4: fans who like maybe a couple of things that you're in,
Speaker 4: who follow your work across different things, and and so
Speaker 4: then in that case they're because they've seen you and
Speaker 4: different skins, so to speak, they kind of are are
Speaker 4: more they peer through the veil a little bit more,
Speaker 4: you know. But but you get both of those experiences
Speaker 4: when you when you interface with fans at the cons.
Speaker 4: And it's where I think, again, we're really lucky because
Speaker 4: of the nature of our show. We have such a
Speaker 4: wholesome and happy fan base. You know that they grew
Speaker 4: up on our show and and took that a lot
Speaker 4: of value from it, and so that, you know, that
Speaker 4: makes our interactions really trend positive.
Speaker 1: You know that's great, Like, yeah, you're not gonna have
Speaker 1: like too many like rowdy Seventh Heaven fans.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly right, technically.
Speaker 1: So there's a Seventh Heaven reboot. I just saw that
Speaker 1: that's been announced. Are you guys involved at all? What
Speaker 1: can you tell me about this?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: No, not, okay, we knew.
Speaker 3: It existed, but that's about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So, uh, if if you were to if
Speaker 1: you guys were to do a reboot and like like
Speaker 1: or continue the story, is that something you'd be interested
Speaker 1: in doing? Would you want to play those characters again?
Speaker 1: Are there more stories to tell? What do you think
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's something that was floated at different points
Speaker 4: in over the years, So I think we've all kind
Speaker 4: of considered that question, you know before.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I think the reason.
Speaker 4: Why they're they're doing it the way that they're doing
Speaker 4: it is because it's been so long and at this point,
Speaker 4: I think really they want to take the the heart
Speaker 4: of the show, like the kind of the mission of
Speaker 4: the of our show to uh, to explore you know,
Speaker 4: kind of family and social values in a family context
Speaker 4: and just modernize it, you know what I mean, just
Speaker 4: really kind of take that mission and and do the
Speaker 4: you know whatever that whatever the twenty twenty five version
Speaker 4: of that is, which admittedly should look very different, you know,
Speaker 4: than than than how our show looked back in ninety six. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I think it's probably at this point the
Speaker 4: right decision, you know, for for bringing back you know, uh,
Speaker 4: the Seventh Heaven brand, so to speak.
Speaker 1: I know that. I mean that sounds great, and I'm
Speaker 1: whatever this reboot ends up being, you know, we're excited
Speaker 1: about it. But if people want to relive the show
Speaker 1: with with you guys with the Camdens, they should be
Speaker 1: catching up with the Camdens. Is that every week? Is
Speaker 1: that coming up?
Speaker 2: We're every other week? We're uh yeah, we're every other
Speaker 2: week because that's what we can manage right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3: We are as often as we can be at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Before I let you guys go, I do want to, like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna step into Luke's Diner here for a second,
Speaker 1: are you any of you guys coffee drinkers. Do you
Speaker 1: guys like to drink coffee? Yes? Okay, well okay, let's
Speaker 1: let's go around the room here. How do you each
Speaker 1: take your coffee? I'm writing this down.
Speaker 4: I drink oat milk lattes with sugar free vanilla, and
Speaker 4: we make them at home. We have a little espresso
Speaker 4: machine and so we make our own coffee.
Speaker 3: Seana and I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm an oat vanilla latte as well.
Speaker 1: Easy.
Speaker 6: I'm just a latte, although I've been making cold brew
Speaker 6: iced coffees with oat milk recently, but normally it's regular
Speaker 6: milk and hot coffee or espresso, no sweetener.
Speaker 2: Mac likes it.
Speaker 3: Just Mac is sweet enough.
Speaker 7: Yes, she already has in our coffee.
Speaker 1: You guys rule so much. Thank you again for taking
Speaker 1: the time to do this. It's been so great getting
Speaker 1: to know you and again catching up with the Camden's.
Speaker 1: Listen to their podcast everybody, It's so much fun, and
Speaker 1: thanks again thanks for being part of Seventh Heaven. Also,
Speaker 1: just as a fan, Wait.
Speaker 6: What's coffee order? I want to know what your coffee is?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Well get this black hot and black.
Speaker 3: Old school.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I'm a badass.
Speaker 3: You know that is that is pretty bad.
Speaker 6: Ass, exactly what I would have guessed.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks again, you guys so much. This has
Speaker 1: been so much fun.
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me, Thanks very much for inviting us.
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