WEBVTT - How To Grow Your Little Garden 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:06.920 Cool Zone Media welcome. It could happen here. I am 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:09.479 Sophie Lecter when I am the executive producer of all 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:12.520 of Cool Zone Media, and I didn't have time to 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.920 touch grass today, so this is the closest I'm going 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.239 to get to that. And here with me leading the 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.640 conversation will be James Stout. And also here is one 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.840 of my favorite people on this entire planet, Allie Conger. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:27.000 James take it away. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.760 Thank you, Sophie. Magnificent intro. As Sophie said, we're here 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.199 today to talk about grass. So no, really grass, but 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.360 it's just like plants in general. I wanted to do 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.120 an episode on having a little garden because I think 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.120 it is a thing that would make people happy, and 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.080 also it's a way to have food for yourself. It's 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.959 not free, but once the plants keep growing, you don't 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:48.839 have to pay any more for the food, so it's 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.159 a nice thing to do. I enjoyed to grow plants, 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.600 and I wanted to share that with you. Do you 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:55.880 have little gardens? Molly and Sophie. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:56.960 Yes. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:58.560 Oh so. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:00.720 I moved to a new apartment last year and in 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.800 sort of a rare and strange arrangement, my first floor 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.160 apartment has like a little dirt patch. It's I think 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.759 it was originally supposed to be where the HVAC units are, 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.600 because it's like walled off by this sort of tall wall. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.280 It's this ten foot by ten foot pit, but the 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.480 HVAC units are not there. So that's where I grow 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:18.200 my tomatoes. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.000 Yeah, my porch is currently a fruit garden. I have 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:27.360 a bunch of things starting in pots. I've got a 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.440 lemon tree. I've got a mandarin tree, which I'm really 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.600 excited about. I grew a mandarin tree when I lived 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.760 in California and then gifted to my dad and then 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.520 he gifted it to a friend of his and it's 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.720 still doing really well, so that's nice. I have a 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.959 boys and berry plant. I have what did I just buy? 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.040 I'm trying to think. I just bought another fruit thing. Oh, 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.280 it's like some citrus hybrid thing. So my porch is 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.000 filled with fruit things that should live for a very 0:01:55.040 --> 0:02:01.280 long time. And then my friend Sarah is on a 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.040 gardening kick and so anything else we grow in her 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:09.559 yard and she's growing literally everything that's good. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.040 Love to grow everything. Yeah, So if you want to 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.160 grow everything, if you're listening and you're thinking, I would 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.720 like to be like Sophia money and grow vegetables and trees. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:20.920 Trees are hard, especially if you're a renter. 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.560 Yeah, you have to start them in a pot and then, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.840 depending on climate, I bring mine inside during the cooler 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.640 times and I have them under a grow bulb. It's 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.639 not a quick commitment. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.080 No, yeah, it is an undertaking. And yeah, if you 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.560 want to let them grow big, then you either have 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.239 to get giant pots or put them in the ground. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.080 Did they put them in the ground? Which is hard 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.040 when most people in this country can't afford to buy 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:45.359 a home. 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.880 Yes, it is. It sucks. And then you don't want 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:52.480 to giving things to your landlord for free because fucking yeah. Well, 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.360 let's talk about things that you can do in a 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.320 smaller timeframe than trees. So I've just got a few 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.440 bullet points here. We're going to go through them and 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.280 you all can interrupt me with your experiences or questions, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.400 should you have any. If you're making a little garden 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.360 for yourself, obviously you're gonna have to start out with 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.799 choosing a spot for your garden. It depends, I think, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.480 on where you live. So if you're like on the 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:16.120 fifth floor, and you don't have access to any ground 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:21.160 yard garden soil. That could be your windowsill, right, it 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.440 could be your balcony if you have a balcony. All 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.960 you really need is somewhere that has good access to sunlight. 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.880 All the other stuff you can bring in yourself. Right. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.520 You can bring the soil yourself. You can bring the 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.239 water and all the nutrients that your plants need. But obviously, 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.400 I guess you could make the sunlight in my kitchen. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.080 I have a little arrow garden which has its own 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.560 little UV light bulb, and you can use those to 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.360 grow some stuff. Or people have maybe some other hydroponic 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:46.440 gardening experience. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.040 They have done elaborate setups for their tomatoes. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.680 Yeah, do you remember that. I think it was like 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.440 twenty nineteen when everybody's relative gave them one of those 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.880 like indoor herb garden kits that don't want the air. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.920 Yeah, sear a garden. I have one of They say work. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.720 No, no, no, no no, not the expensive arrow garden one, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:10.560 but the knockoff ones. Everybody, Yeah, everybody got one of those, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.680 and then you saw them elsewhere. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.640 And that sort of commodification is so silly, right, because 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.680 to grow like a little pot of basil. You don't 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.039 need stuff. You don't need to buy a thing. You 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:20.880 need a windowsill. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.760 I can't grow basil. Really, we're not compatible. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:25.240 Interesting. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.440 I love basil. I use it constantly. I try to 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.120 grow it. I kill it every time. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.200 What way is it dying? 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:34.200 It just wilts. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.680 Basil doesn't like its feet in the water. It has 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.400 to have quite dry soil. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:39.320 It wilts. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.120 And then I'll try again and I'll ignore it. It wilts. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:43.880 I'll try it again, and I'll give it a little 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:44.360 bit of water. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:44.920 It wilts. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:46.599 I'll try it again. I'll give it a lot of water. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.080 It wilts. I'll try it again, and I guess how 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:50.479 it ends. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:51.559 It wilt. 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.800 I have an abundance of it because I'm constantly topping it. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.480 Because you want to top your basil all the time 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.640 so that it branches instead of flowering. So when I 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.320 top it, I'm like, why, I don't wan is this? 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.159 I'll root these and I have, like, you know, seven 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:02.919 hundred basils. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:04.000 What it's me? 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.800 Maybe Molly could send one to Sophie and we can see. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.320 Yeah, you're welcome to some of my basil. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.280 Yeah, because pasta is one of the greatest things that's 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.040 ever happened to anybody. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.520 Mm hmm. Oh you need this a little pine nut 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.200 pine tree, I guess, and some basil and a little 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.560 sheep and you can make pecorino cheese. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:21.320 There you go. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:22.960 And then yeah, and some anchovies. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.279 Of course, you just need your own sheep. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.159 Yeah, everyone should have. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.360 Anderson would have the best time hurting one. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:34.680 Sheep that the poor sheep were probably not. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.880 I pictured it. It's really funny. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.480 You can't just have one sheep. They need friends sheep 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.279 and not a solitary animal. Yeah, you have to get several. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:46.680 Well, Anderson will hurt them all. 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.600 Yeah, we'd love to see that. All right. So if 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.679 you've selected your spot right where you have access to sunlight, 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.880 the next thing you need is a vessel. So during COVID, 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.680 lots of people start a garden. It's not that we 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.080 are not also in COVID right now right, but during 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.120 the lockdown twenty twenty, when everyone was working from home 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.160 for the first time, people started their little guidance. And 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.240 I think lots of folks who didn't start back then 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.920 or you moved out since then, Like people just built 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.040 lots of planters, often in that area between the pavement 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.479 and the road, which has a name that I've forgotten now. 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.080 Oh, that's one of those things that has a different 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.599 name in every region of the US, and wherever you go, 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.600 if you're calling it the wrong thing, people look at 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:28.640 you like you're an alien. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.240 Yeah, I don't know what that's called in California. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.320 I think in New Jersey they call it the Devil's Strip. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.960 For real. I'm pretty sure we're going to call it 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:39.880 the devil Strip in this podcast because that's a better 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.760 name than I could have come up with. If you're 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.320 gardening in the Devil's Strip, that sounds like a euphemism 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:50.000 for growing weed, like when people call it the Devil's Letters. Yeah, 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.720 you're growing your Devil's letters and the Devil's Strip. That's 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.520 a good place to build a planter, right generally, Like 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.440 you should be able to obtain lumber for that somewhere, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:06:59.960 Like I don't think you should be paying for lumber 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.239 in this day and age. Yeah, And they're pretty easy 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.560 to build, right if you are building a planter some considerations. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.720 You probably shouldn't stain the inside of the lumber that 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.960 you're using. There's stuff in there that you probably don't 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.080 want it if you intend to eat the plants. I 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.200 think it's a pretty bad idea. Or to get lumber 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.720 which is pre treated, Right, If you get something which 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.120 is naturally resistant to rotting, like a hot red wood 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.600 or something like that, that's going to last a bit longer, right. 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.480 Yeah, I mean you should be able to find some 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.320 kind of cedar or redwood around. I agree with your 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.120 assessment that you should not have to pay for that. Yeah, 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.520 although it's not something that if you have like a 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.800 good local hardware store, it's not something that's super expensive. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.640 But price it for you buy it, That's what I'll say. 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.400 And it's certainly cheaper to just buy the wood than 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.640 it is to buy like a pre made wooden plant. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:50.040 Yeah. 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:51.720 The mark upon that is crazy. 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.200 Incredibly overpriced for something that you would find at a 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:56.040 big box store. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.080 Yeah, and crap too. There was one in one place 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:00.960 I live that was like maybe a quarter of an 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.800 inch thick and like it dovetailed together, but then like 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:08.720 the dovetails kind of bulged out when they got too wet, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.520 and it was not a good figure. Don't don't buy one, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.040 build one. If you have decking screws in two by fours, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.440 you can build your own planet to it doesn't degree 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.440 require a high level of carpentry knowledge. So then you're 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.440 going to have to put some soil in your planter, right, 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:26.680 You could grow plants in like likakers, like the clay composite. 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.840 Have you seen this, like little balls? Yeah, but I 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.400 think I have. Yeah, just to start off with, we'll 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.520 we'll start with soil because it's the easiest thing to access. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.920 I think in lots of cities you can get free 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.120 compost if you go to the tip. Don't know if 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.400 that's the case where you guys live, but here you 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.240 can get free compust if you go to the tip. 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.240 I'm unfamiliar with that. But now I'm like, wait, can 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:51.800 we do that because we should? 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:52.120 Right? 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.160 Have I been missing out on free dirt because I've 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:55.439 been I've been paying for dirt. 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.560 Okay, Yeah, this is a huge life act. Do you 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.760 have those green bins where you put like compostable rubbish? 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.360 Of course? Oh no, we don't, so ifial lifts in Portland, yeah, 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:06.920 and like I live in Portland, of course. 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.400 Okay. So if you have that, I'm guessing your municipality 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.040 is composting it, right, which would mean that it has 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.760 a large amount of compost, at least in San Diego. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.360 I would be blown away if San Diego was leading 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.679 the way and giving residents anything other than more cops 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.600 for their taxpayer dollars. We can get free have a 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.400 pickup truck. I think I can get too pick up 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.320 trucks full of compost. You have to go and shovel 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.480 it yourself right into your truck, and obviously you have 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.680 to have some kind of vehicle to transport it. But 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.880 it's a good way to get free soil, especially if 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.640 you're like doing a project. Often, if you're planting vegetables 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.800 in your garden, right, the soil that you're planting them 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.720 into might not be good quality top soil, right. That 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.160 top soil might have been taken away when you're building 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.439 was constructed, or you might have all kinds of aggregate 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.160 waste sort of mixed in there, right, gravel and stuff 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.120 like that. It might not be the best quality growing soil. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.400 So if you can go into getting some of the 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.560 free compost is the move. What I like to do 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.080 when I'm starting a little garden and I've got my 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.599 soil is to do a soil chemistry test. Have you 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.079 guys done soil chemistry tests I have. 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.120 My style of gardening is more just kind of vibing out. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:19.640 Okay, vibelides based Hey Portland as free compost. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.880 Is I get information overload really fast. When I first 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.800 started my little garden, I thought, we like, I'm do 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.520 some googling. I'm gonna do some researching. I'm gonna go 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.480 to the agricultural Extension website and learn about my local soil. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.280 And then like, once i have seventy tabs open and 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.160 I'm trying to consume the information, I was like, you 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.959 know what, plants grow outside. They'll be fine, They'll be fine. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.760 It is true. There is a lot you can do 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.600 and a lot that you don't have to do when 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.719 it comes to gro own clients. My mother was a 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.280 lecture in agricultural called it. Therefore, I'm bound to get 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.719 a little home test kit and tests today. Do you 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.839 know what the three essential nutrients are? To we turn 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.160 into a quiz format for plants. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:11:01.080 Lash nitrogen, Yeah, a different element. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:06.800 That's correct. H These are things, These are real things. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.200 All I can think of is that that's right. 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:12.600 Fat as a heat. 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.040 If your plant isn't hitting its macros, it will not 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.720 get swollen. Exactly one of the things about. 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:21.120 I'm feeling my tomatoes creatine. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:21.959 Is that right? Yeah? 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:23.800 Yeah, that's why they're hench as fun. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.600 Are we talking like magnesium close? 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.560 Uh? That that too is an element? 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.120 I had nitrogen though, that's right, Yeah, Molly is. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.640 Yeah, Muddy got that one right. I'm trying to do 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.040 it like a ratio. I couldn't work it out. 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:42.360 Nitrogen phosphors, Okay, I was like almost there. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.520 Yeah, you're very close with magnesia. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.920 Are you growing a gardener blowing up a federal building? 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:51.640 James porque, Nola's do Molly, I'm growing a guarden for 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.800 legal and truth based reasons. I'm growing a guard You 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.959 want nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Those are your three essential nutrient. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.320 There are fifteen other nicron nutrients. I guess that plants 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:07.960 need vitamins. Yeah, the little you know omega threes for 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.360 their joints. They need MP and K in different ratios 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.080 depending on different plants. Right, So tomatoes need a lot 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:15.400 of potassium obviously. 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.840 Molly and I are like, we're here to talk about plants. 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.439 Why are we in chemistry class? What's happening? 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:22.840 James? 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.440 I buy a bag that says tomato food and there's 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.960 a picture of a cartoon tomato on it. That's what 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.120 I know you're doing great. 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.400 You can't go wrong with looking at the picture on 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.000 the thing. I use this technique for all kinds of things. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.840 It's why I don't buy Quaker oats anymore. Very disturbing. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.360 I want to empower you to not have to buy 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.079 the tomato man bag. In the case of tomatoes, right, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.439 you need a lot of potatum, especially to get the fruit. 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:47.959 You can use a lot of nacuene early on to 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:49.719 get the leaves. Then you need the potassium to get 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.959 them to fruit. So you're going to seek to have 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.760 the soil chemistry that suits the plants that you want 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.800 to grow. Right. You can't really like improve your sign 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.400 unless you know where you're starting from. So you're going 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.640 to look at the NPK and the pH and then 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.640 going from there. When you're buying commercial fertilizers, you can 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:07.600 normally see the balance or set it on the bag 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.280 or sit on the website, right, and you're trying to 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.080 augment that soil to get the soil chemistry you want 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.040 to grow the plants that you want to eat, or 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.959 maybe not eat, maybe just have you can also add 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.200 organic matters to your soil. If you're doing that, like, 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.680 you're just gonna have to like test and test again 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.120 kind of think, because when your cowshits, you don't get 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.400 a bag which then gives you the amount of ninet 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:29.760 gen phosphorus and potassium. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.679 That's why I buy the cowshit in a bag. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.600 James, Wow, that's a great business idea. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:36.680 No, they sell it at loss. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.600 They sell it lows cowshit in a bag. Okay, maybe 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.880 that is a wonderful time to take a break for advertisements. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.280 Hopefully one of the advertisers is shit in a Bag. 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.079 Shitt in a Bag. Longtime supporter of the show, I 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:57.200 please enjoy this advert for shit in the Bag. We 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:02.160 are back. We've returned from discussing things that we could 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.480 pretend to shit in a bag, which we're not going 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.080 to share with you. You'll have to guess. Okay, So 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.440 I like to use chicken manure for mine, but you 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.280 do have to rot it down right. If you're putting 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.679 manure on your soil, it'll burn it if you just 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.640 dump it straight on there. You can't just literally dump 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.800 shit into your soil. This hopefully is not used to anyone. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:20.800 Got to age it like a fine wine. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.360 Yeah, exactly, it does improve with age. Buttlet up, cork 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.240 it and put a vintage on it and then rotate 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.080 it every few years so it doesn't get sediment as 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.200 the bottom. If you can get a compost here and 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:32.920 you can go after making your own compus, it's a 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.560 fun thing to do. You get one of the barrel 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:35.600 composters that you turn. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.640 I have one of those, yeah, oh yeah, because my 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.680 dirt patch is like not really supposed to be a garden, 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:41.960 and I don't have a lot of room for a 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.880 compost heap. Love a compost heap, better way to do it. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.120 But because I just have patio space, m I have 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.680 one of those big plastic compost tumblers and I love it. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.360 It works good, pretty fast. I was lucky enough last year. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.480 This was not intentional. I did not invite them. But 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.040 I have black soldier flies in my car. Do you 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:06.080 know those little guys. They're like pretty long, shiny black flies, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.080 but their larva are these like little grubs, And so 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:10.400 I opened my compost. It was like, who the hell 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.680 are all these grubs? But black soldier fly larva just 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.000 devour organic matter and so they break down they break 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.200 down your compost really fast. I love them so much 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.120 that I just bought some. They came in the mail today. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.440 I got a box in the mail today that said, like, caution, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.360 live bugs. I dump dump those little babies in my tumbler. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.800 Nice. Yeah they thrive there. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:33.720 Oh yeah, they love it in there. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.920 Yeah. We had some lava. I didn't know what they were, 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.120 but we had a compost heat that I moved a 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.760 couple of years ago. When I moved it, the chickens 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.160 had probably the best day of it, just chasing around people. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.960 Farm Black Soldier fly as chicken feed so that you 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:48.800 can have this whole setup where you're growing them on 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.480 purpose and then they sort of fall down the tray 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:54.000 and the chickens eat them. I don't have any chickens yet. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.120 I think my apartment neighbors would not like that. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:04.320 Fuck the money to play rage against the machine as 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.160 you install your chicken cube, I. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.240 Mean the dogs would love it. Buck has met a 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.360 chicken before, and in his mind it is like the 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.760 rawest chicken, right, Like this is the most tempting. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.720 Treat of the forbidden dog treat, the raw nugget. Yeah, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.520 and then they give chickens can be pretty mean. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.720 Hey, Reese, featherspoon is a national treasure. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.080 Yeah, raised featherspoon is. She is not a mean chicken. 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.440 She was just sitting on my lap earlier before we recorded. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.400 She sees a friendly chicken. She does. So if there 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.560 is blood on me, she will attack even me her 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.160 father and friend. So if you don't have any manure, 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:41.000 that's fine. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.280 You can make your own dirt at home. I recommend it. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.080 It's great you can. It's very fulfilling to take like 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.640 waste and turn it into something useful. You can do 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.120 it on the city scale like Portland does, or you 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.640 can do it on a home scale, which is fun 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.040 and it's always nice to you know, reduce your amount 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.960 of shit there, especially if they don't compost, Like if 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.520 you don't have a green bin. It's less going into 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.200 land for, isn't it. So that's always a good thing. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.160 So now you've you've got your vessel and you've got 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.440 your soil, and you're going to have to decide about 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.199 your plants. Right. One great resource to consult it's a 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:15.480 USDA Plant Hardiness Map. Have you guys been browsy. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:16.600 Know your zone? Baby? 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:17.680 Yep? 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.680 You have to, or else you could just be committing 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:21.600 plant masker. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.520 I mean there's a lot of debate right now in 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.439 the in the community about the rezoning, the rezone, the 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.520 USDA Plant Hardiness Map. Yeah, Like my mom buys all 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.680 of her bulbs from this bulb farm and they put 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.359 out a notice saying like, we are not using the 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.320 revised map, We're staking the original, We're not changing the catalog. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.080 Yeah. Being a trad but for the USDA. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.520 Plant return to tradition. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:49.240 Yeah, I'm a USDA Plant hardness believer. And the climate 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.879 is changing, So the ship that your grandparents grow might 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.080 not work for you. If you have colder winters, especially 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.119 right for the winter's getting colder where you are, that 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.520 might be difficult for your plants. So consult that map. 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.760 The map isn't going to tell you what to grow 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.160 so much as what can make it through your winters, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.040 and so it's a good place to start. You're also 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.760 going to want to think about plants that you can 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.160