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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media welcome. It could happen here. I am

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Speaker 1: Sophie Lecter when I am the executive producer of all

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Speaker 1: of Cool Zone Media, and I didn't have time to

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Speaker 1: touch grass today, so this is the closest I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get to that. And here with me leading the

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Speaker 1: conversation will be James Stout. And also here is one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite people on this entire planet, Allie Conger.

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Speaker 1: James take it away.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sophie. Magnificent intro. As Sophie said, we're here

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Speaker 2: today to talk about grass. So no, really grass, but

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Speaker 2: it's just like plants in general. I wanted to do

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Speaker 2: an episode on having a little garden because I think

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Speaker 2: it is a thing that would make people happy, and

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Speaker 2: also it's a way to have food for yourself. It's

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Speaker 2: not free, but once the plants keep growing, you don't

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Speaker 2: have to pay any more for the food, so it's

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Speaker 2: a nice thing to do. I enjoyed to grow plants,

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to share that with you. Do you

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Speaker 2: have little gardens? Molly and Sophie.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Oh so.

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Speaker 3: I moved to a new apartment last year and in

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Speaker 3: sort of a rare and strange arrangement, my first floor

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Speaker 3: apartment has like a little dirt patch. It's I think

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Speaker 3: it was originally supposed to be where the HVAC units are,

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Speaker 3: because it's like walled off by this sort of tall wall.

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Speaker 3: It's this ten foot by ten foot pit, but the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my porch is currently a fruit garden. I have

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Speaker 1: a bunch of things starting in pots. I've got a

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Speaker 1: excited about. I grew a mandarin tree when I lived

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Speaker 1: still doing really well, so that's nice. I have a

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Speaker 1: boys and berry plant. I have what did I just buy?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I just bought another fruit thing. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's like some citrus hybrid thing. So my porch is

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Speaker 1: filled with fruit things that should live for a very

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Speaker 1: long time. And then my friend Sarah is on a

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Speaker 2: Love to grow everything. Yeah, So if you want to

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Speaker 2: grow everything, if you're listening and you're thinking, I would

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Speaker 2: like to be like Sophia money and grow vegetables and trees.

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Speaker 2: Trees are hard, especially if you're a renter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to start them in a pot and then,

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Speaker 1: depending on climate, I bring mine inside during the cooler

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Speaker 1: not a quick commitment.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, it is an undertaking. And yeah, if you

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Speaker 2: want to let them grow big, then you either have

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Speaker 2: to get giant pots or put them in the ground.

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Speaker 1: Did they put them in the ground? Which is hard

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Speaker 1: when most people in this country can't afford to buy

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is. It sucks. And then you don't want

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Speaker 2: to giving things to your landlord for free because fucking yeah. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about things that you can do in a

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Speaker 2: smaller timeframe than trees. So I've just got a few

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Speaker 2: bullet points here. We're going to go through them and

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Speaker 2: you all can interrupt me with your experiences or questions,

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Speaker 2: should you have any. If you're making a little garden

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Speaker 2: for yourself, obviously you're gonna have to start out with

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Speaker 2: choosing a spot for your garden. It depends, I think,

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Speaker 2: yard garden soil. That could be your windowsill, right, it

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Speaker 2: you really need is somewhere that has good access to sunlight.

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Speaker 2: All the other stuff you can bring in yourself. Right.

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Speaker 2: You can bring the soil yourself. You can bring the

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Speaker 2: water and all the nutrients that your plants need. But obviously,

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Speaker 2: I guess you could make the sunlight in my kitchen.

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Speaker 2: I have a little arrow garden which has its own

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Speaker 2: little UV light bulb, and you can use those to

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Speaker 3: They have done elaborate setups for their tomatoes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember that. I think it was like

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen when everybody's relative gave them one of those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sear a garden. I have one of They say work.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, not the expensive arrow garden one,

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Speaker 3: And that sort of commodification is so silly, right, because

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Speaker 3: to grow like a little pot of basil. You don't

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Speaker 1: I can't grow basil. Really, we're not compatible.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: I love basil. I use it constantly. I try to

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Speaker 2: What way is it dying?

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Speaker 2: Basil doesn't like its feet in the water. It has

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Speaker 1: And then I'll try again and I'll ignore it. It wilts.

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Speaker 3: I have an abundance of it because I'm constantly topping it.

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Speaker 1: What it's me?

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Speaker 2: Maybe Molly could send one to Sophie and we can see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're welcome to some of my basil.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because pasta is one of the greatest things that's

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Oh you need this a little pine nut

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Speaker 2: pine tree, I guess, and some basil and a little

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Speaker 2: And then yeah, and some anchovies.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you just need your own sheep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone should have.

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Speaker 2: You can't just have one sheep. They need friends sheep

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Speaker 2: and not a solitary animal. Yeah, you have to get several.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd love to see that. All right. So if

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Speaker 2: lots of planters, often in that area between the pavement

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's one of those things that has a different

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what that's called in California.

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Speaker 3: I think in New Jersey they call it the Devil's Strip.

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Speaker 2: a good place to build a planter, right generally, Like

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Speaker 2: Like I don't think you should be paying for lumber

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Speaker 2: to build, right if you are building a planter some considerations.

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Speaker 2: You probably shouldn't stain the inside of the lumber that

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Speaker 3: And it's certainly cheaper to just buy the wood than

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and crap too. There was one in one place

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Speaker 2: going to have to put some soil in your planter, right,

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Speaker 2: You could grow plants in like likakers, like the clay composite.

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Speaker 2: we'll start with soil because it's the easiest thing to access.

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Speaker 1: I'm unfamiliar with that. But now I'm like, wait, can

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, this is a huge life act. Do you

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Speaker 2: a large amount of compost, at least in San Diego.

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Speaker 2: the way and giving residents anything other than more cops

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Speaker 3: Hopefully one of the advertisers is shit in a Bag.

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Speaker 3: garden store and I just picked out a couple of

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Speaker 3: tomato plants that had names like that were funny.

438
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Speaker 2: I think that's a great strategy.

439
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Speaker 3: Right, that's very valid. But this year I was a

440
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Speaker 3: little more selective, right, so because I grew fewer tomatoes

441
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Speaker 3: this year, because I think last they were a little

442
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Speaker 3: too close together. It was at overwhelming, a little busy

443
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Speaker 3: in there. I want to do more cucumbers this year,

444
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Speaker 3: so I only have five tomato plants. I have two

445
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Speaker 3: different cherry tomatoes have a Cherokee purple. Oh gosh, who

446
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Speaker 3: are the other guys? The other ones were just names

447
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 3: I thought were interesting. I did it again. But the

448
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 3: great thing about tomatoes is on the little tag it'll

449
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Speaker 3: say how many days to maturity, So like you don't

450
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Speaker 3: have to guess, you don't have to do a lot

451
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Speaker 3: of homework or research. It'll stay right on the tag,

452
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Speaker 3: like eighty five days to harvest.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, going to the garden entry, they're going to sell

454
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Speaker 2: stuff that's suitable for the climate you're living in, right,

455
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Speaker 2: and then yeah, you can see how long it will

456
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Speaker 2: take to harvest. Ideally you could space them out, right,

457
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Speaker 2: so you don't just have a g loot of tomatoes

458
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Speaker 2: and then no tomatoes for the rest of your life

459
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Speaker 2: or the rest of the.

460
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Speaker 3: Year producing, especially if you get indeterminates.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they will keep producing, you can, uh, I mean they'll.

462
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Speaker 3: Keep producing till the first frost. So we had cherry

463
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Speaker 3: tomatoes through November last year.

464
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Speaker 2: Aweso, Wow, I thought you guys got cold.

465
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Speaker 3: We're seven b but Charlotte feels kind of in a valley,

466
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Speaker 3: so it stays warmer a little longer.

467
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Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, it's San Diego is of course, you can

468
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Speaker 2: almost have this stuff yet around eternal summer. Well, we

469
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Speaker 2: have winters now. The last two winters have been very wet.

470
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to have a bit of a learning

471
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Speaker 1: curve coming from California to Oregon within the different climates.

472
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Speaker 1: And I have to say that with the things that

473
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Speaker 1: I had in pots, bringing them inside with grow bulbs

474
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Speaker 1: has been for older weather has been pretty successful for

475
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Speaker 1: me at keeping things alive. Yeah, they're not as fruitful obviously,

476
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Speaker 1: but they do not die.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a wind. If you're in Portland or somewhere

478
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Speaker 2: feather north and like you know that your plant won't

479
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Speaker 2: make it through the winter, that's a strategy, right. You

480
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Speaker 2: can have a place set aside, you bring it in.

481
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Speaker 2: You can have a grow bulb.

482
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Speaker 1: And honestly a lot of lamps. They sell bulbs that

483
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Speaker 1: are grow bulbs that can go directly in the lamps

484
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Speaker 1: you already have, so you don't need to buy anything fancy.

485
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Speaker 1: The bulbs are pretty expensive and they're sold at most

486
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Speaker 1: local hardware stores, so you're really spending like five dollars

487
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Speaker 1: on a bowl instead of spending you know, thirty dollars

488
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Speaker 1: on some fancy contraption.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom has a shop light, you know the sort.

491
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Speaker 3: It's like a metal lampshade, a clip. It's just a

492
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Speaker 3: cheap shoplight that she clips onto a shelf to shine

493
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Speaker 3: at her plants. Her version of oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: That guy's demonstrating audio listeners.

495
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Speaker 3: Her empty nesting has involved a whole grow situation, like

496
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Speaker 3: there's no dining room at my parents' house anymore. There's

497
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Speaker 3: more for us to eat when we go home to

498
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Speaker 3: the dining room is a greenhouse. I love like tropical

499
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Speaker 3: plants that have to live inside in the winter. She's

500
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Speaker 3: got like a boogain vida that's like ten feet tall

501
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Speaker 3: that comes in the house in the winter.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: I just bought some bougain via that I have been

504
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Speaker 1: a pot right now because I grew up with bougainvilla

505
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Speaker 1: in California, and I finally found a nursery that had

506
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Speaker 1: it in an, Oregon, and I was.

507
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Speaker 3: Like home because I always thought it was a potted

508
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Speaker 3: plant until I saw it outside in a tropical environment.

509
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Speaker 3: It's not a potted plant, not a potter.

510
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Speaker 2: Not in San Diego. It is a plant that will

511
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Speaker 2: take over your guide.

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Speaker 1: In Sorry, James, we've gone off the rails. Back to

513
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Speaker 1: what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, returning to the rails. I did want to

515
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Speaker 2: plug native seeds. I love native sea search for finding

516
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: different and exciting seeds and preserving indigenous people's horticultural traditions

517
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Speaker 2: and like lifeways. I have grown lots of seeds from

518
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Speaker 2: native seed search with great success, And it's cool in

519
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Speaker 2: a world of increasingly like monocultural agriculture to preserve something

520
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Speaker 2: that is part of someone's culture. Zapatistas will also send

521
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Speaker 2: you corn. I'm sure anyone on the left who's over

522
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Speaker 2: thirty years old is very familiar with zapatis to corn,

523
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Speaker 2: I'm sure. But for the youth among us, you can

524
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Speaker 2: order corn from the zapatistas that actually comes from somebody

525
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 2: in San Diego who will send you some of this

526
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Speaker 2: sort of heritage variety corn. And you're preserving this corn

527
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Speaker 2: in a world where corn is increasingly commercialized. Right, things

528
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Speaker 2: like Montstanto have a lockdown on some of these corn varieties. Right,

529
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: they're like patented varieties. Right, even if you don't sew them,

530
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Speaker 2: they're sort of invading the genome of these indigenous corn types.

531
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Speaker 2: So keeping these varieties alive is a cool thing to do.

532
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Speaker 2: To do this when I was like sixteen, this is

533
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Speaker 2: like early activism. Me was like growing some zappaties to

534
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Speaker 2: corn in my parents' greenhouse. But that's the thing you

535
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Speaker 2: can do if you want cool corn.

536
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Speaker 3: I think it's important too to look up what's native

537
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Speaker 3: to your area, and not just because it is you know,

538
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: the right thing to do, but it'll grow better where

539
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Speaker 3: you live. The pollinators will be attracted to it where

540
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Speaker 3: you live. I was just looking up like here in Virginia,

541
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Speaker 3: the Department of Wildlife Resources will sell you native seeds

542
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Speaker 3: for your area at a pretty good affordable rice. So, like,

543
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Speaker 3: look up what wants to live where you are growing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 3: A lot of things, like ornamental garden plants are highly

546
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Speaker 3: invasive and destructive to your local habitat. So things that

547
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Speaker 3: might look really nice in your yard are destructive to

548
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Speaker 3: your environment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big thing that It's probably a big

550
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Speaker 2: thing everywhere, but like in California, and we talk about

551
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Speaker 2: like invasive mustard. Right when you see these big yellow

552
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Speaker 2: hillsides in California, that's an invasive plant. Of course, there's

553
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Speaker 2: the climate changes. What is indigenous to one area may

554
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Speaker 2: no longer be suitable for growing there. It's definitely happened

555
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Speaker 2: with some plants. I'll get a lot of plants as

556
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Speaker 2: well from desert Survivors, which is a little nursery in Tucson,

557
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Speaker 2: Arizona where I like to go and buy desert plants

558
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Speaker 2: because I do not like to have plants that are

559
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Speaker 2: extremely thirsty for water. This is my transition to our

560
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Speaker 2: watering segment. You need to water your plants right. This

561
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Speaker 2: is something that people probably know that some tips for watering.

562
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Speaker 2: You want to water your plants regularly and consistently. Plants

563
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Speaker 2: can get stressed if you have a lot of water,

564
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Speaker 2: then no water, then a lot of water again. If

565
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Speaker 2: you're using a vibe space watering strategy, you might be

566
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Speaker 2: causing your plant excessive stress. So I like to water

567
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Speaker 2: my plants morning or evening because in the heat of

568
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Speaker 2: the day you're going to lose more to evaporation. If

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Speaker 2: you're really going for it, you can set up a

570
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Speaker 2: drip feeder, which is a pretty cool system where the

571
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Speaker 2: little lines and they just drip water onto your plants.

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Speaker 2: Those are a really great way to irrigate. You can

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Speaker 2: also do what I often do, which is think a

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Speaker 2: lot and then use your plants as an excuse for

575
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Speaker 2: doing that. By taking the little glass bottles and making

576
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Speaker 2: plant waters out of them, so you fill them up

577
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Speaker 2: and then basically shove them in the ground as long

578
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Speaker 2: as you can get a good plug of soil in

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Speaker 2: the end of the bottle.

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Speaker 3: I misunderstood where you were going with that. I thought

581
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Speaker 3: you were pissing on your vegetables. No, so I've heard

582
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Speaker 3: of putting urine in your compost tumbler, something about the

583
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Speaker 3: urea and the nitrogen. But I don't think you're supposed

584
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Speaker 3: to piss right on the tomatoes.

585
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Speaker 2: No.

586
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Speaker 1: I was trying to understand what Molly's the gig face

587
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Speaker 1: was really.

588
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Speaker 2: Money is baffled by this bottle idea.

589
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Speaker 3: I don't pee on my garden. Yeah, I mean it's

590
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Speaker 3: sort of street facing. I think it would be sort

591
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Speaker 3: of loud and lascivious.

592
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Speaker 1: For the record, Molly does not pee on her garden.

593
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Speaker 2: I want everyone to know that Molly's not a garden. No.

594
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Speaker 3: But watering is a big issue for me, right, So,

595
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Speaker 3: because it's not supposed to be a garden. There there's no.

596
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Speaker 2: Hose, there's a water source, there's.

597
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Speaker 3: No external like spigott for me to hook up a

598
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Speaker 3: hose too. There's so I have to use a two

599
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Speaker 3: gallon watering can that I fill in my bathtub and

600
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Speaker 3: then take out one at a time, and so you

601
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Speaker 3: know you're supposed to, like the equivalent of one inch

602
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: of water per week is about average for a little

603
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Speaker 3: vegetable garden, which is like zero point six gallons per

604
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Speaker 3: square foot. So for my ten foot by ten foot,

605
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Speaker 3: I'm looking at sixty gallons a week. So I every

606
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Speaker 3: other day fill up my watering. Can you know ten

607
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: or twenty times? It's an endeavor, good way, It's an endeavor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a commitment to the plants. You could like

609
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Speaker 2: do a hose and run out your window from the tap.

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Speaker 3: I looked into it. And so for people who live

611
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Speaker 3: in apartments and have a lot of house plants, there's

612
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Speaker 3: like an adapter you can get for your kitchen sink

613
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Speaker 3: that you can screw a hose onto. But I do

614
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Speaker 3: not have the right kind of faucet for that.

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Speaker 2: Disappointing. I bet someone listening has a solution from moll

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Speaker 2: they'se plants.

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Speaker 1: But first it's time for advertisements.

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Speaker 3: I hope it's an advertisement for pissing outside.

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Speaker 2: That would be great. I would read advert for pissing outside.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like that's what we're missing the world,

621
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Speaker 1: isn't it.

622
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Speaker 2: Surely like Jocko or someone has done a like pissing

623
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Speaker 2: outside Jordan Peterson that they've done sunning your balls, they

624
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: must have done pissing outside.

625
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Speaker 3: So if you ask the people that make the shi

626
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Speaker 3: Wi a Fal sponsor the show, sure.

627
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Speaker 2: We are back and we are now going to talk

628
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Speaker 2: about and your versus perennial plants, a topic they know

629
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Speaker 2: many of you have been wondering about. Would one of

630
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Speaker 2: you like to explain? I'm sure you're familiar with annuals

631
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Speaker 2: and perennials, which one of you like to take on

632
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Speaker 2: the task of explaining them to our listeners?

633
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: Sophie, what annuals just live for the one growing season.

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Speaker 3: Perennials will come back next year, is the short of it.

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Speaker 1: I definitely could have answered that.

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Speaker 2: Well you didn't, did you, Sophie?

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Speaker 3: So your tomatoes are annuals. Allegedly, my halapennia is supposed

638
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Speaker 3: to be a perennial. She did not make it rip.

639
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Speaker 2: We've had a couple of peppers over winter. I have

640
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Speaker 2: a thie bird chili that made it from a couple

641
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Speaker 2: of winters. Now it'll depend a little bit on where

642
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: you are as well, if they'll make it through the

643
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Speaker 2: and I think.

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Speaker 3: I should have pruned it back earlier before the frost.

645
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: I think they winter better if you prune them back.

646
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Speaker 3: It was potted, I could have sunk the pot in

647
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: the soil so the soil temperature would remain more constant.

648
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: But I didn't do that. I about a new one.

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Speaker 1: I respect that.

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Speaker 2: So some other things to consider I'm going through. Things

651
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: that you might need to add as your guide growth

652
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: would be like frames for plants that creep or plants

653
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: that climb. Some tomatoes will need a frame. For Molly's cucumbers,

654
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Speaker 2: you're going to need a frame.

655
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: Oh, I got a little a frame for my cukees

656
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: this year. But I hate tomato cages. Those you've seen them,

657
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: the round little at the bottom when they get bigger,

658
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: the horrible round wire cages. They're ugly, They're hard to store.

659
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: I live in an apartment. What am I going to

660
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: do with that the other eight months out of the year.

661
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: So what I did last year is a technique called

662
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: Florida weave, where you use posts and twine and you

663
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: sort of so you have the posts along the row

664
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: and then you between the posts, you weave the twine

665
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: on either side of the plants and It worked really

666
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: well until my tomatoes became ten feet tall because I

667
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: bought five foot posts. But it was good in theory.

668
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how commercial tomatoes had grown.

669
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: It was much more affordable than buying like something large,

670
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: because I just went to tractor supply and bought Actually,

671
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: the steaks I bought are for putting up electric fences,

672
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: so they have clips every few inches along the post

673
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: for so convenient to clip the wire into. So I

674
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: used that to hold onto the twine and they were

675
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: like a buck fifty apiece. So it's much more affordable

676
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: and more storage friendly. So Florida weave them great idea.

677
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: Love that, Yeah, I love that. Someone gave me a

678
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: load of bamboo and I just made frames out of

679
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: that and just it's fun to do a little a

680
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: frame hitch and make little frame and then you can

681
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: just collapse it because the a frame hitch, so it

682
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: relies on the spreading of the bottom to give it attention.

683
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: So you just you bring them together again and you

684
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: can store it over the winter.

685
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

686
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: So there are a lot of solutions out there that

687
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: don't involve buying a fifty dollars contrap. It blows, you know,

688
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: like don't feel like you have to invest a lot

689
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: of money in like objects and gadgets and things.

690
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think generally, Actually, there's a lot of shit

691
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: that's marketed at trying to get your plants to grow,

692
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: and like, the chances are if your plants you're having

693
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: not as much success as you would hope. They're not

694
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: getting enough light, they're not getting enough water, or they're

695
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: not getting enough nutrients, or it's too cold or too

696
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: hot for them.

697
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: You don't need a big gadget.

698
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to buy a thing. And it

699
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: is one of those areas where you can find very

700
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: useful information on the internet. So if you're struggling with

701
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: a certain plant, there is almost certainly someone who's already

702
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: had that struggle and you can find their solutions. There

703
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: are some pretty good websites for searching up that stuff.

704
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: The last thing I wanted to cover was pruning and

705
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: weeding and pest management, which can be a bit of

706
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: a mission. Right now, I'm fighting a uphill struggle against

707
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: some gophers. They have targeted me.

708
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: You have to shoot.

709
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: This is a problem. I live in a relatively built

710
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: up area. I am a person who grew up in agriculture.

711
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: I know how to manage pets, and unfortunately all the

712
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: things that I would have done are felony crime.

713
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: Big government is interfering with your urban farm.

714
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, once again, the boot of the man is on

715
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: my neck.

716
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: I am at war with the squirrels here. That's weird.

717
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: They didn't mess with me last year, I guess because

718
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: you know, we had just moved in and they saw

719
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: the dogs and they were concerned about the dogs. But

720
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: this year they're feeling bold and they are digging holes.

721
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: Every day. They're digging holes. They are burying peanuts in

722
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: my garden, and I keep pulling peanuts out of the ground.

723
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: I have a fucking peanut problem too.

724
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: I'm not Jimmy Carter. I'm not farming peanuts.

725
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: They're not afraid of Buccanatto.

726
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: I guess because last year they didn't get got so

727
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: this year they're feeling like.

728
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: Ierson keeps the squirrels at bay. They know their place

729
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: and that it is her yard.

730
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: A buccanotto on patrol. Though. Are they able to access

731
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: the pit?

732
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: No, the pit is like not accessible to dog, but

733
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: like sometimes you know, they're out on the patio bar.

734
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: But the solution that I have found, because apparently I'm

735
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: not allowed to shoot them A cayenne pepper.

736
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Yes, cayenne pepper is a great solution.

737
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: I bought like several pounds of cayenne pepper in bulk,

738
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: and I just sprinkle it on all of the surfaces,

739
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: like on the surface of the soil along the wall

740
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: around the pit because they don't want to like walk

741
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: in it and smell it. So it keeps them off

742
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: the wall so they don't end up down in the

743
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: pit to dig.

744
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: I do the same. You get some that some chili oil,

745
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of water, you put a spray bottle

746
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: and it just keeps a lot of bugs away as well.

747
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, mace your plants.

748
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Unfortunately I don't sprinkle into the wind.

749
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, Yeah, I've done the same thing. Money. I've

750
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: maced myself trying to do that.

751
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: As my strawberry start to ripe and I'm thinking like

752
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: maybe I should stop macing the strawberries.

753
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: No, just growing mace strawberries. Then you'll be immune. If

754
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: you ate enough of them, you could become like the Hulk.

755
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: You know, they spray you and you just get strong. Yeah.

756
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: I'm doing mithrittism with police brutality.

757
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that for you, like the guy who

758
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: lets his snakes bite him a little bit all the time.

759
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, but for cops, I love that. There are

760
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: lots of solutions for this which don't evolve like spraying

761
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: your plants with a butt kind of round up or

762
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: round up will probably kill them. But other pesticides, right,

763
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: like don't display your plants is round up might kill

764
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: you as well. But yeah, you have to first ascertain

765
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: what pest you're dealing with, right, So for the gophers,

766
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: one of the things you can do is, you know

767
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: construction netting. It's like chicken wire, a bit thinner. Yeah,

768
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: you can put that because the roots of the plant

769
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: can still get through that. So you put that at

770
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: the bottom of your planter right where it sits on

771
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: the soil. The roots of the plant can still get through,

772
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: but mister gopher cannot. Missus gopher, non binary gopher can't

773
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 2: get through their netting, just like a physical block. I've

774
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: heard people say that cat litter is something you can

775
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: sprinkle and they think are cats around. You can also

776
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: just make a little house for a cat that doesn't

777
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: have one, so that it comes and lives near your plants.

778
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: We have that for a while. Little neighborhoo cat came

779
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: to date and it kept the rat problem to a minimum.

780
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: You can use things like have you seen the ultrasound

781
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: gopher preventers.

782
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't use one of those because I think

783
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: it would bother the dogs, right like you would bother

784
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 3: other small mammals.

785
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: I have ones that I got on Jeffrey Bezos his

786
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: website that are not in fact ultrasound. They're very much

787
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: just regular sound, and I think I was missolved those

788
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: so the worst trying. They are all sort of non

789
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: lethal methods as well.

790
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 3: You can get a plastic owl, yes.

791
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: You can't if you've got a bird problem. You can

792
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: also get bird netting if they're eating your berries. And

793
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: I would suggest that you can get a variety of

794
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: plastic animals.

795
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: Actually, my mom has a coy pond, and so she

796
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: got a plastic heron to scare away the real heron

797
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: that eats the fish. And my dad misunderstood the purpose

798
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: of the heron right. It was a functional plastic bird.

799
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: It was to scare away the real bird that eats

800
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: the fish. And so he thought like, oh, like we

801
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: like fake birds now, and so he very lovingly bother

802
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 3: a bunch of like different fake plastic birds for the yard.

803
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: Oh that's so endearing.

804
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah it's adorable, but it.

805
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 3: Does not keep the hero in away. Yeah he's even

806
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: the fish.

807
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: Maybe you need a more intimidating classic harot. Keep buying

808
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: until you find the one.

809
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's a really buff one.

810
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, buff one that's giving the middle finger.

811
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: Because birds do that.

812
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Hench herons do that and they're buff like that.

813
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: What other pest management things do we recommend?

814
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I love knee oil for thrips and aphids.

815
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: Snee oil rules.

816
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: I don't put any poison on my plants because I'm

817
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: I'm against it. But I have a spray bottle that

818
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: I put a little bit of knee oil and a

819
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: little bit of Don Dish soap in and then mostly

820
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 3: just hot water. After that, shake that bad way up

821
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: and spray them down.

822
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: Lady birds, so a great one, lady bugs for the

823
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: Americans in the audience.

824
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: The only thing I use like is like, it's not

825
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: really a poison, it's a bacteria. I don't know, debatable

826
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 3: buy these bacillisitringiensis. I use that to keep the cattle

827
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 3: pillars away.

828
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: There's also like a lot of different plants you can

829
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: plant with your crops to help keep a passive bay,

830
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, thinking like you know a lot of herbs

831
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: which you would want to grow anyways, like mint and

832
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: rosemary and lavender and catnip, and then also merry gold's

833
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: always good lemon grass to trunella grass.

834
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 3: Like coplant marrow golden basil with my tomatoes.

835
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks nice. Also, I wanted to mention in pruning, Yes,

836
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: you do want to be pruning your plants. With tomatoes,

837
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: you want to pull off the suckers, right If you

838
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: imagine your tomato is like a V and then a

839
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: third sprout coming up from the middle of the V.

840
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: Because you should see what Jess is doing with his

841
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: hands right now.

842
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the several thousand people who are not in

843
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: the room, I'm making a V with my hand and

844
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: then an extra finger in the middle of the V.

845
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: I can't do this without making myself.

846
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: Laugh now, but yeah, pull off the suckers.

847
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: You're generally going to want to prune your plants, right,

848
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: This will encourage them to fruit instead of just growing.

849
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: Yes, especially with your herbs, you want to top your

850
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: herbs because once they go to seed they stop growing.

851
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh they taste like ass.

852
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: Cut your rosemary off often.

853
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: Give it a trim. People get really scared about pruning

854
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: or poll adding. If you've got a tree, poll ad it,

855
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: but it's really not that scary. Again, like depending on

856
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: your plant, you'll find some good videos on YouTube.

857
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

858
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: The last thing I wanted to talk about is rotating

859
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: your crops.

860
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you.

861
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: Learn about this in school that we did or is

862
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: this just a British.

863
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: They cheat you guys about crop rotation.

864
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was not in any of my classes.

865
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: Really, you didn't have the three field system.

866
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: No, I learned that from like some nice YouTuber.

867
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: Okay, well there's a niche for you there of your

868
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: British person teach American people shit, they should have learned

869
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: in school.

870
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: On YouTube, it's going to take a long time. That's

871
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: a long program.

872
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're overestimating our education system so you can rotate

873
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: your crops. So if you're growing the same thing in

874
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: the same soil every year, it's going to pull the

875
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: same stuff out every year, right, unless you're replenishing your soil,

876
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: which you want to do. If you've got your annual

877
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: plants right. You do want to erate your soil, turn

878
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: it over. You can get a soil aerator.

879
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: It's controversial.

880
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: You don't believe in soil aeration, it's controversial. My belief

881
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: is that you should augment and erate your soil, or

882
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: you can rotate your crops right, which what you're doing

883
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: there is not growing the same thing every year. And crucially,

884
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: what you want to include in a corp rotation is

885
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: a nitrogen fixing plant, which is to say, a laguminous plant.

886
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 3: The squirrels are actually trying to help me by planting

887
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: those peanuts.

888
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I guesse planuts are a lagome. I'd never thought

889
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: of that from a country where peanuts wouldn't grow.

890
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: I guess I should apologize to the squirrels.

891
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: Yep, little farming squirrels. I like to do peas. They're

892
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: a lagoome. A lentil. Everyone loves a lentil. It's kind

893
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: of fun to grow a little lent do you, yes,

894
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 2: I remember you said it's on Twitter. This is incredible

895
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: to me.

896
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: It's because biting into a lentil, the way that surface

897
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: tension breaks when you bite it, to me, is exactly

898
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: how I imagine it would feel to bite into an

899
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 3: engorged tick.

900
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: Just reading about someone who bit a tick.

901
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: I just decided I am anti lentil, just based on that.

902
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: We can't allow money to ruin lentils. Lentils are your friend.

903
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: I know they're great. They are a great source of

904
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: non meat protein. But I can't do it.

905
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: Apparently, I no longer can do it.

906
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 2: Either cook them enough and there's not the surface engine,

907
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: or get split once you know the red lentils that

908
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: are split and then you have the tension.

909
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: I can do that.

910
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, we've agreed on I'm like fifty lentil

911
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: by mass if I didn't have lentils, so, I don't

912
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: know if I would make it. I make a big

913
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: thing on lentils every single Sunday and then I eat

914
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: them most of the week.

915
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: It never even occurred to me, like what does a

916
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: lentil plant look like? Which part of the plant is

917
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: the lentil?

918
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: It's the seed. I think, there's the lagoon.

919
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: It's the that sounds labor intensive to harvest.

920
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: It's not too bad. It's kind of fun. Because lentils

921
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: plays such an important role in my life. I like

922
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: to grow them. It's fixing night tune back. We could

923
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: put any laguminous plant, right, we'd fix a nuturne back

924
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: in your sword. And if you rotate those through and

925
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: even leave your soil fallow for a while so they

926
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: don't grow anything, right, if you have the space to

927
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: do that, rotating your crops around, right, so you have

928
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: like a fallow and then something else and then a

929
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: lagom and then you just rotate them around every year.

930
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: I just have the pit.

931
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: You could segment off the pit. You could do pit

932
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: quarters and you could rotate them around. You could have lentils,

933
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: you could have tomatoes, basil and the little fallow patch

934
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: for the dogs to run around it.

935
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: I've just let you say tomatoes and basils entire time.

936
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so glad, thank you, thank you for not

937
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: making me feel feel bad.

938
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: I was thinking it. I want you to know, but

939
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: I kept I held it in like a winter until

940
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: the very end.

941
00:41:54,520 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, the very end, my grandmother says, Tomato Americans do. Yeah.

942
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: Really, the ones I've met, I feel like they're either

943
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: doing it. Sometimes people will meet me and then start

944
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: talking like me incredible, it's not at all. It's really

945
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: weird when you notice someone changing their vowels. Yeah, it's

946
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: very weird. I don't know if this happens to everyone,

947
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 2: and it's just a thing that happens to British people.

948
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my message for you. Grow plants. Do

949
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: not start speaking like me or anyone. Don't parrot people's

950
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: action to just talk to where you talk. It's it's fine, but.

951
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: Just like, don't overthink it. Just put some plants in

952
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: the dirt, try it out. The worst that can happen.

953
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: It doesn't work, it's okay.

954
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not very expected. I've get seeds grown up

955
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: from the seeds.

956
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: And never buy cut basil from the grocery store. You know,

957
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 3: you spend six dollars with a little plastic blister pack

958
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: of leaves. Don't do it. It's cheaper to buy the

959
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: whole plant and then you have unlimited basil.

960
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: Unless you're me who can't grow lest your sofia.

961
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, just Sophie, please go ahead and buy

962
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: cut basil.

963
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: No, I'll just steal some from my friends who know

964
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: how to grow.

965
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing you can do. Steal.

966
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Steal plants from your friends.

967
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: Bring your friends cuttings, share your plants with friends.

968
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: I don't consider it stealing to snap off little cuttings

969
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 3: or seed heads.

970
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: No, Like I don't either know.

971
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 3: My fanny pack is full of like mysterious seed heads

972
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: that I popped off of plants, and so I put

973
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: some in the dirt because I couldn't remember what they were.

974
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: That's also like a really fun game.

975
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think these are cosmos. We'll find out.

976
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: Get some seeds and trade them with your friends and

977
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: everyone gets a mystery plant. Be a fun thing to do.

978
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 3: And don't forget to grow a flower too. Yeah, grow

979
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: a nice flower, attract some beans.

980
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: Grow some pollinators. This is a weird little anecdote to

981
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: end on. So beyond the company who make the protective

982
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: combat uniform for the US military, they also make some

983
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: really nice clothing that I buy for work stuff. Sometimes

984
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: I get afraid of being on fire, so I like

985
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: to buy fire retardant stuff, And they send a little

986
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: tag with all of their So you're buying your like

987
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: fire retardant base layer to or under your plate carrier

988
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: when you're working, and it comes a little tag that

989
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: has plant seeds in it, and if you plant the tag,

990
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: flowers will grow.

991
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.

992
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: It's wonderful, isn't it. Yeah, it's very nice. And for

993
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: that recent lene, they're my favorite purveyor of fireproof uniforms.

994
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: Oh and get a sun hat. If you're outside gardening,

995
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: get a big floppy sun hat. It really helps you

996
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: get in the zone and it also protects you from

997
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: the sun.

998
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: It's a great tip. I think we should get end

999
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: with that by by a sun hat.

1000
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: By a sun hat, wear sunscreen and listen to sixteenth

1001
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1002
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Loftus. Ah.

1003
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Speaker 3: Wow, so true, so true.

1004
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, listen to it.

1005
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Wow, gardening wearing a sun hat and sunscreen.

1006
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: I did that this morning.

1007
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: That's what I was doing this morning.

1008
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: So we had know.

1009
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: Oh Molly, such a legend.

1010
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: I was propagating my basil tops in my little sun

1011
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 3: hat an show.

1012
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