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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode thirty six The Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 1: Here this episode with Walker Hayes. Hey boy, hey buddy. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess now we spent a lot of time together

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Speaker 1: because we're on the road right now together and so

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Speaker 1: now I get to ask the questions that I don't

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Speaker 1: get to ask, like when we're just sitting down, because

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Speaker 1: the people want to know, like the real stuff, and

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Speaker 1: so they'll be stuff like some of the stuff I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't ask you, Like we're just hanging out before show.

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Speaker 1: We'll be like, tell me your deepest fear a stuff like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we just talked. Yeah, we're just talked.

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Speaker 1: But we're always like getting ready for stuff too, because

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Speaker 1: you always got to want to play. Um. So here's

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Speaker 1: the the whole. What we'll do is we're kind of

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Speaker 1: encapsulate you and then we'll just work back. So right now,

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Speaker 1: you just signed a record deal to Monument Records. What

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Speaker 1: does that mean? Uh? My goodness. Uh. I mean it

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Speaker 1: means I have another chance and having a career, you know,

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Speaker 1: as an artist, and and that being my full time job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it means to me. It might

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Speaker 1: sound simple, but that's exactly what it means. It means

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Speaker 1: I have a career, a chance at a career, a

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Speaker 1: long lasting career. Again, yes again, another shot for sure.

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Speaker 1: So you talk about other shots and and just quickly

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Speaker 1: here because then I want to go all the way

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Speaker 1: back through it. But you've been on labeled before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is my third record deal. I've been in Nashville

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Speaker 1: twelve years and I will signed A Mercury got dropped.

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Speaker 1: I was signed a Capital got dropped, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think I was gonna get another chance because

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Speaker 1: you don't really get that many um here. Most people

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Speaker 1: don't get to and so this is my third. The

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Speaker 1: thing about Walker too is that I we didn't know

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Speaker 1: each other and I we first moved here. It was

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Speaker 1: when my co host, Amy's mom was sick and I

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Speaker 1: got the song and say, hey, he's got any Walker.

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Speaker 1: Here's what the song called Joy like Judy and so

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Speaker 1: we and I heard the songs, so we'd be choosing

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Speaker 1: to us to make up a boy. Namy's mom was

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Speaker 1: fighting cancer and we were doing a fundraiser and it

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Speaker 1: wasn't for her mom. It was just we were, you know,

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Speaker 1: doing a pimp and joy thing. That's how we met,

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Speaker 1: and so he came and the song actually was downloaded

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Speaker 1: a bunch of times, you know that kind of thing happened,

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Speaker 1: and then I didn't see it for a bit, and see,

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Speaker 1: I don't see anybody. First of all, I didn't see

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Speaker 1: it for a bit. And then I'm on YouTube and

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Speaker 1: I do the thing on YouTuber. I find an artist

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Speaker 1: and it'll go also recommended, also recommended, also recommended. And

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Speaker 1: so until I find music and artists and I'll go

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Speaker 1: to SoundCloud, I'll do whatever, and I'm going through and

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Speaker 1: I see this song right here, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: that's Walker Age. I was like, you know, that's a

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Speaker 1: joy like dude together shaking, and I was like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what this is, but it sounds like nothing else.

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Speaker 1: I remember thinking that was like, it sounds like nothing else.

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Speaker 1: Even that, so I played it on the regular the

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Speaker 1: next morning and I was like, I was like this,

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Speaker 1: you just hear something that it strikes you oddly. And

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Speaker 1: then from there I just started to play all your

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Speaker 1: stuff on the air because I sit there and I'll

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, you think that's good. You got to

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Speaker 1: hear this one. I was like, my favorite song is

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Speaker 1: a comedian is too bad being fun. So all these songs,

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Speaker 1: as I would hear them, I would be like, this

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Speaker 1: is unlike anything I'm hearing right now. I'm period. And

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Speaker 1: I would talk to my friends like Dan Smarting from

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Speaker 1: Dan and Shay, Him and I talk about music a lot,

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Speaker 1: and I was like this, Walker, hey, stuff is like

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Speaker 1: next level, like cerebral type stuff. And I don't even

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Speaker 1: you know, we talked about it. Then you ended up

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Speaker 1: going on tour with them. Now you're on tour with me,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, that's where we are right now. So

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Speaker 1: that's where that's where you are. That's what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: come back to. But now I want to go back

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Speaker 1: to the very beginning. So you talk about you came

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Speaker 1: to Nashville. You came to Nashville. How old were you

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Speaker 1: when you came to Nashville was twenty let's see seven? Four?

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Speaker 1: You go to school and study music. I went to

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Speaker 1: college and I did eventually change my major to piano.

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Speaker 1: I graduated with a degree in music with an emphasis

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Speaker 1: on piano. You're a good piano player, are you? Are

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Speaker 1: you a piano player? Yeah? I sit down at the

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Speaker 1: piano and people be like, oh, that guy could play piano.

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Speaker 1: I could, Um, you know I could. I could play

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Speaker 1: for myself. I had to do a lot of classical stuff,

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Speaker 1: golfer would be like, I'm not that good and he go, no, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean honestly, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't really

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Speaker 1: play piano until college and I met you know, A

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Speaker 1: I was in college. It's a lot of muscle memory

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Speaker 1: and a lot of cool stuff I learned. But now

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Speaker 1: you knew the guitar then too, the right, Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: you musical through like elementary school, high school. You're growing up.

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Speaker 1: My wife and I we actually met in a in

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Speaker 1: a school play, you know, So I did that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff school theater and singing choirs and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Music really, um, my dad was a music minister before

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Speaker 1: he started selling real estate in Alabama. Yeah, in Alabama,

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Speaker 1: me that music bug. I didn't really chase it as

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Speaker 1: Then definitely didn't even do that. Out of college. I

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Speaker 1: was yeah. So I finished school, got my real estate license,

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Speaker 1: and I got engaged to Lanny. You know, we've been

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Speaker 1: that was my plan. That was my answer to her

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Speaker 1: I knew like a couple of songs on the guitar

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Speaker 1: you performed. You were like, all right, what I want

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Speaker 1: Six kids and one kids, three boys, three girls, and

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Speaker 1: So my style back then? I remember two songs that

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Speaker 1: the security that I had, you know, in Mobile made

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Speaker 1: and drove up here. So you move here? And what

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Speaker 1: you get dropped. Ever your second label, what year was that,

426
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, Let's see, it's two thouns seventies six probably fourteen,

427
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: begetting fourteen. So you get dropped in two thousand and fourteen,

428
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: So what do you do well at that period? I

429
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: think I have four kids, so I'm still not I'm

430
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: still not a truly buried in final financial woes. But

431
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: I had a pub deal. You know, I'm still my

432
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: my publishers. That's one thing that's that I've always had

433
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: pub deal, publishers that believe that I can get outside cuts.

434
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, So at that time I didn't I wouldn't

435
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: say I just shut the artist thing down, but I wrote, man,

436
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: I aimed and aimed to get outside cuts, you know,

437
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: I wanted outside country cuts. And one of these mainstream artists,

438
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: uh to to you know, I just knew somebody was

439
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: gonna cut one of my songs. We're gonna be huge.

440
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: Kind of solidified me a spot in that writer community.

441
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: And uh, I eventually did get a cut um from

442
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: Rodney Atkins. Uh he cut one of my songs called

443
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: Touching Feet, and uh it was you know, it was

444
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: a great motivation, you know, to keep on writing and

445
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: didn't end up being a single. But okay, what about

446
00:23:48,920 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: this one? Kind of forgot about seat? That's rights too, right. Yeah,

447
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: that was the So that was when he cut on

448
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: the next album, and that was ended up being his single. Yeah,

449
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: I think I killed his career. No, you didn't squeezing.

450
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: You didn't know. He man, Roddy, He's a great guy,

451
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 1: and he believed in some of my songs. And man,

452
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: even though you know, I had several of those types

453
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: of songs that that would get cut and maybe they

454
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: weren't the single the big the big Dog on the record.

455
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: But when you get those, man, it just kind of

456
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: tells you. It's like it's like a whisper saying, hey,

457
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: stick around, It's all right, you're here for a reason.

458
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: What about this here Cold Fort song? Dirty side, Dude,

459
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: I love this song. This is my jams. You're right it. Yeah. Yeah,

460
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: he featured me time. But if you side, I love

461
00:24:54,359 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: a good side side you're looking for side I loved.

462
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: I didn't know you can dance like there, I got it.

463
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: So you wrote it together. Yeah, I'm super appreciated that

464
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: they featured me. I'm talking about the perfect girl. Man,

465
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that everywhere stopped looking at Magazine's

466
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: head on out. So you're writing, you're out, You don't

467
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: have artists, Jill right, what you probably still want even

468
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: you still want to be the artist, but you do

469
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: have you want to be the writer. You talking about

470
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: having dark times like your mind just like where did

471
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: I tell you what? The darkest period I ever experienced

472
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: here in Nashville was past these cuts. You know, you

473
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: get a couple of cuts, and I'm still I'm not

474
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: able to I mean, I'm barely supporting us, you know

475
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. No, No, the money is not just

476
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: rolling in from from these types of cuts. I'm I'm

477
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: not having hit singles, which is kind of what you

478
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: gotta have, you know, nowadays to to to thrive as

479
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: a writer. You gonna have one every now and then. Um,

480
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm loving what I'm doing. I mean, I feel like

481
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm getting better and better and so much closer to

482
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: dial in it in, you know, with with what artists

483
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: need and what they want and getting those outside cuts.

484
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: But I'm playing at Pucket's boat house, and money gets

485
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: real tight. I'm talking seriously tight, and uh, I don't

486
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: really like to ask for help. And I had toyed with,

487
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, getting kind of a second gig, and I

488
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: remember this this night I will never forget. I'm playing

489
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: Pucket's boat House, which, by the way, it's like a

490
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: restaurant and a stage for people. Um just so that

491
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: it's like a very famous Nashville Southern food restaurant and

492
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: they're a stage. And so what I what I was

493
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: doing is, you know, I didn't have artists deal, but

494
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: I want to keep performing. So that uh that the

495
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: Andy Marshall and Puckets so always so gracious to me

496
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: giving me a gig, and I'm playing for tips, and

497
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: what I would do is play an hour and then

498
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: host an open mic night just for the community. I

499
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: wanted to meet new writers and stuff and kind of

500
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: do what people did for me in my first couple

501
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: of years here. So one night, this guy comes and

502
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: his name is Nick Candre and uh, sweet sweet yuh

503
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: comes up, wants to play at the open mic night.

504
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: And he just thinks, you know, he's he's heard my

505
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: songs on Rodney, my stuff on Colt. He thinks I'm

506
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: like Elvis, you know, and he's just treat me like

507
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: it too, and he and he mentions at one point

508
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: in the night that he worked at the tire center

509
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: at Costco and I was looking for a job at

510
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: night so I could continue writing during the day. And

511
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: so it was just a humbling moment to kind of

512
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: be like, Hey, while you're getting my autograph, do you

513
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: know any you know, is there any openings at Costco?

514
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: You know, are they looking for for people that stock

515
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: stuff overnight and stuff? And he hooked me up and

516
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: that's how I got a job at Costco. But it

517
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: was just I mean, I don't know if embarrassing is

518
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: the word, but you know, it was just it was

519
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: an interesting moment that he saw me as kind of

520
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: like an influence on him musically, and I was so happy,

521
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: you know, to meet me. And I was like, hey, uh,

522
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: I kind of need a job, you know, I need

523
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: some help. Can you can you hook me up? And

524
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: uh so that was that that was a low a

525
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: low point for me. Um, kind of having to ask

526
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: for help from that guy. Do you feel like he

527
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: learned from it and appreciate it even more afterwards? Just

528
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: through that experience with Costic experience, everything everything that is

529
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: connecting with people now is pretty much about that experience

530
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: in my life. So yes, um, it's been truly beneficial. Um.

531
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: I got a great perspective. Uh you know, what matters,

532
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, what matter in life. That's kind of what

533
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: Leela Stars is about. You know, I did a lot

534
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: of I did a lot of I don't know what

535
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: you say, like not soul searching, but you know, we

536
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: uh interesting songs this guy and it's just a roof

537
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: from Yeah. Yeah, that song is about the thumb tacks

538
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: that she gave me to hold up the roof of

539
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: Mi Honda that I had at the time, and when

540
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: my roof was coming down, I lost it and I

541
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: was just crazy at that point in my life. I

542
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: was drinking a ton just to kind of cut the

543
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: edge off the heaviness, um and the burdens and stuff

544
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: that I I was kind of up against with wanting

545
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: to still chase my dream, kind of thinking I was

546
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: nuts um. Pretty much to let everybody looking at us

547
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: from the outside, I probably thought I was nuts too. Um.

548
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: You know, I had all the kids and I was

549
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 1: still trying to do that to take care of them

550
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: when I could have you know, done a lot of

551
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: other things and made a whole lot of sense, you know,

552
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: to take care of them. But yeah, lettle Stars is

553
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: about those stumb tacks that she she let me borrow

554
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: and I was really bummed and frustrated at the time.

555
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: The roof coming out in my car was one of

556
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: those moments in your life where you're looking up and

557
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: you're like, you gotta be kidding me, you know, like

558
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: I need one freaking more thing unit to carry right now.

559
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: And uh, one morning, when I was about to clock

560
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: in at Costco, I looked up and I saw those

561
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: thumb tacks and it just reminded me. Well, first I

562
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: thought of her face and just her smile and how

563
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: much fun she had putting those up, and uh, she

564
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: just thought they're awesome, you know, they made the car

565
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: look incredible, And it was just an interesting perspective at

566
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: that time to remember, Hey, I got healthy kids, I

567
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: do have a job, I have to you know what

568
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean. And I'm still able to write. My wife

569
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: never was unhappy, you know, I was really the only one,

570
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: uh that was unhappy. Um. And so that was a

571
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: that was a great moment um and and got a

572
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: cool song out of it. So you were drinking a lot.

573
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: You don't drink it all now, so so you must

574
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: be drinking a lot. I have to stop, man, I was,

575
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we want we want to talking about numbers.

576
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean I was like, I mean, I was drinking

577
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: from I was drink at Costco. Um. You know, obviously

578
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: I was doing my work, um, working hard, but I

579
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: mean I was I was drinking on on breaks at Costco.

580
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: You know, I go to the parking lot, you know,

581
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: and do that leave, go do a show with the Bluebird.

582
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: You know, they were hiring me for shows. I was

583
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: still able to get some work out of them. Um.

584
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: I drink before him, drinking after him, drink while I wrote,

585
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: drive home, drink because you're sad man. Uh yeah, I

586
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: think you know, I think I was just uh, I

587
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: just didn't want to face not making it, you know,

588
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: not not being able to to take care of everybody.

589
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's almost like when you're drunk. Uh,

590
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: those things aren't as heavy. You know, they don't matter,

591
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I guess, and um, drinking a little bit out of

592
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: just insecurity and fear, you know, I guess, uh, you know,

593
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: just scared. What was the point where you were like, Okay,

594
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta chill, dude. Me quitting is the

595
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: weirdest story I don't, you know. Hopefully at some point

596
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: it will make sense where I could kind of help

597
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: other people, and and and and and explain it. But honestly,

598
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: I mean I think I was. I think my body

599
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: just said to my brain, you have to you have

600
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: to quit. You know, we're working and drinking that much.

601
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: I woke up on a Saturday. I remember that as

602
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: in October football game day, me and football. Not drinking

603
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: just didn't ever happen. That hadn't happened since I was

604
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: probably like fifteen, I don't know, something crazy like that.

605
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: And I just didn't drink one Saturday. And I don't

606
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: even know why. I didn't like wake up and say, man,

607
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: I gotta stop. I just woke up. I didn't drink

608
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: that day. Um, I didn't drink on Sunday. A couple

609
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: of days turned into a week, you know, and then

610
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: it became this like challenge where it was like I've

611
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: gone this far, I want to go backwards, you know.

612
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: And I also kind of had a little sobriety high.

613
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: You know, when you quit drinking you've been drinking that much,

614
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: your body feels really really good once it gets over, um,

615
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, not craving just to drink with with all

616
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: your might. But so yeah, now I'm like that was

617
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: two octobers ago. So I'm a year and almost a half.

618
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: The funny thing is I don't drink. Guy there, Walker

619
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: doesn't drink, and we're go on tour beer it like

620
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: the writers like full of beer and it just sits there.

621
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: It's like, Walker, I know you don't drink, but if

622
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: you know anybody that wants beer, they can have it,

623
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: said Nikita. End up drinking some of it. Show a

624
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: little Nikita, So okay, tell me about this song here,

625
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: this one, let's play. Let's see, man, I got all

626
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: of them. It's like asking me which kid I'd like

627
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: to do here? Talk about this one beer in the fridge.

628
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: I quit drinking. The reason I want to get drunk

629
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: because I played on the radio. I was like, I

630
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: was moved by the song. Yeah, I still look out

631
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: for the car when I'm driving around town, and I'm

632
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: still not quite sure what to do with my hands.

633
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: It's in a crowd. There's a lot I can't remember,

634
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: and a lot I can't forget. One silver bulleting in

635
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: the chamber, and I'm playing rush Rule without being the Friends,

636
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: Last of twelves so Survivor, My last all night the

637
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: back of the bottom how Ruled that all. It's gonna

638
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: be so real man. Uh. It just touches on a

639
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: lot of you know, fears, insecurities that I deal with.

640
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: And like you know, you're asking, you know, why were

641
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: you drinking that much? Uh? You know my wife has

642
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: never never threatened to leave me, but she probably should

643
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: have several times you know in those in those in

644
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: that time period, you know, when I was drinking that

645
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: much and uh there you know there was there's so

646
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: many lines in that song that the front. My one

647
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: song line, one lyric in that song that I feel

648
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: like describes me and something that I that I deal

649
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: with is the first one about ranting to your mama, church, mama,

650
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: praying for you. Now. Well like I'm just I just

651
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: care what people think, you know, and I and I

652
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: and I and my own worst critic as well. And

653
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: drinking uh made me care less, you know. Uh that

654
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: was one positive about drinking. You know obviously don't you

655
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: don't need to drink to do that. But you know,

656
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: I I feel pressure, you know, to to be a

657
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: certain just I don't know, to succeed, you know, and uh,

658
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: prem yourself for myself. But but you know, like I said,

659
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: when I told lady's parents we were coming here. I

660
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: feel the eyes, you know, I feel the I've ill

661
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: people saying, are You're crazy, You're not gonna make it,

662
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: You're not good enough. You know you're not this And

663
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to believe him, but I kind of do.

664
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: And when I'm drinking, I definitely don't. I don't care

665
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: what they think. Um, but that song is so true,

666
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: you know the line about the hands. I mean, dude,

667
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: the first show that I played without a beer, I

668
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: just felt completely naked. I mean, I've never felt stupider

669
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: in my life because you know, so many years of

670
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: strumming that last chord and reaching for that beer. I

671
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: was to a point where just holding a beer before

672
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: I even open the thing it gave it made me

673
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: feel a sense of security. You know. That's kind of

674
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: where I was with drinking. But yeah, it's true. I mean, um,

675
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: but again I will say, I mean, Lenny, it's not true.

676
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: I didn't lose you know, my wife, but uh, you know,

677
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: she said many tears, you know, talking to me about it,

678
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: and I was at a point went where I admitted,

679
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, she would say things like she didn't say

680
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: things anymore like do you have a problem. I would

681
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: admit I wasn't in denial. At the point when I quit,

682
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: I said, I do have a problem, and I can't.

683
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go without it. You know, I need

684
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: this right now for me, you know, I want to

685
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: move over to the comedian. Yeah, your dark songs like

686
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: resonate with me, like a hardcore like being in the fridge.

687
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: You know, I come from a family of addicts and alcoholics,

688
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, man, just I just I

689
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: feel the honesty in these songs um with the comedian,

690
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: which I wanna play right here. It's too bad. Being

691
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: funny and being happy. He ain't the same thing. It

692
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: ain't the same thing. It's so sad. Some of the

693
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: longlist hearts in the crowd of the most entoting such

694
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: a strange keys to the ones who makes laugh to

695
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: keep themselves from crying, gets to the ones who makes

696
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: laugh to keep themselves from cry, Like I heard the

697
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: song and it's gonna tell you it's like it can

698
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: and I have issues like that, like where it's you know,

699
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: I want to wake people laugh so they can't see

700
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: how sad. And it's the process that I've been dealing

701
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: with for a long time, and it's that's the front

702
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: you try to people laugh, That's where you find love.

703
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: That's where I always was able to find love. Like

704
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: let maybe the gay that makes people laugh, because that's

705
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: I'll find the love from that. I have trouble accepting love,

706
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: of trouble giving love just from the environment. You know.

707
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: You and I talked about as a nature or nurture,

708
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: like we have that conversation like away from stuff, and

709
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: for me, I think it's it's definitely nurture the love thing.

710
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: And I heard that song, I was like, dear God,

711
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: are you writing songs from my brain? Like every song

712
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: to you would sing, I'll be like God. So the

713
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: comedian is that about a front of your specifically? So

714
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: he went to high school with them? Yeah, it's about

715
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: a friend I grew up with and he did not,

716
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: uh commit suicide. Hey, but he died at an early

717
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: age and he was that guy, uh you know, just hilarious, um,

718
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: but did have issues, you know, and as we all do.

719
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: You know, I think so many people can can relate

720
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: with that song. You know. It's that we all try

721
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: to find that affirmation. That's never really enough, but it

722
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: sure helps, you know. It doesn't sustain any any long

723
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: term healing or fix us. You know. It's like drinking

724
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: a beer. And it does make me feel good immediately,

725
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, and as does me performing on stage and

726
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: getting that laughing. It makes me feel like I just

727
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: jumped out of a plane. You know. But when you

728
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: get back into green room and you all by yourself,

729
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: all the real stuff comes back, you know, when you

730
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: gotta do it again. But yeah, that that song, I'm

731
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: so glad a guy named Matt Jenkins and Josh Jenkins

732
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: they wrote it with me, and they were insistent that

733
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: that we that we do that song together, and I'm

734
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: glad you appreciate it. I'm glad people. Yeah, that's like

735
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: and and we'll get to the more of beat stuff

736
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: because you have a sound that is not like anyone else.

737
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: But I just you know, it's my podcast. I talk

738
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: about whatever I want. So those are like, those are

739
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: the songs that hit me hard. And I was just like, okay,

740
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: he's like speed songs a lot of times don't speaking

741
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: real human words anymore. And when you do feel something

742
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: out then in regardless of sonically what it sounds like,

743
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: it being authentic still cuts through no matter what's behind it?

744
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Something for real still cuts through regardless of the format

745
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: the instruments, like realness cuts through. And so that's what

746
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: I felt from like stars and the Comedian and beer

747
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: in the fridge. And but then you know, you got

748
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: stuff like break the internet, shake a little bit of sha,

749
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: shake a little bit, how did your dollar? You make?

750
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: All the stuff in your shack? And then beat on tables,

751
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: beat on the wall, slammed the door, all these sounds.

752
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: It's you in that microphone and you're beaten cups and

753
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: sounds it. Let's I got a keyboard, win break back.

754
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: Then you're doing all these bats B G V maniac.

755
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: But I got the record. As you're cutting this and

756
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: you're playing it for people, what are they saying to you, Like, man,

757
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: it don'tnna work? Or is it gonna be great? Or

758
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: what they what are they saying? Well, Uh, you know,

759
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: my people at my publishing company, they saw me obviously,

760
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: uh you know, to write songs, but wanted me to.

761
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: They sign me with the intention of me being an artist.

762
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: And you know, I think at first they thought, hey,

763
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna write that one, you know, that dangerous one

764
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: on the country. Ready, you know that country radio slaps

765
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: Slam first released bah Boom, and what happened was I

766
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: kind of got off therapeutic you know, on them, like

767
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: you talk about Comedian and stuff like that. Those feel

768
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: so good for me to write, you know, sometimes it's

769
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: just great to get that stuff off of your chest

770
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: and tell everybody that makes me feel better. And so

771
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: that's what I was doing with those those dark ones

772
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: and then the happy ones. That's just kind of how

773
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: that's how I want to party, you know, that's the

774
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: stuff I want to play live. And they definitely were.

775
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: What what happened once I started turning and turning them

776
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: in and my team didn't see really a fast track.

777
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: Hey this is going to country radio, you know obviously

778
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: from the sound. But they just love them, you know,

779
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: they liked they loved the song. They found themselves listening

780
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: to them, um and cheat and I know it's cheesy,

781
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: but I even found myself I would listen to them

782
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: like they're not me. I'd be like, I just liked

783
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: this song the comedian, you know, yeah money which such

784
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: base on my body on a honey you make me

785
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: want to check time cruise in my mind, he said,

786
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: due to be I say that's something me. I scrubbing

787
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: the front seat, telling me hanging out like Mike, what

788
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: dia fun of all? This project was the first song

789
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: you wrote. So the first song on this project that

790
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: was written was either say sober you broke up with me.

791
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't know which came first, the chicken or the

792
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: egg um, but yeah, those those those two you broke

793
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: up with me was the one where we all went, Hey,

794
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: keep doing that, because that's something about that, this unique

795
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: and digestible. And this is a single now if you

796
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: broke up to see me? But hey, if you broke

797
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: up me, it was can I say you broke up me?

798
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: What's funny? Is I remember texting you because the song

799
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: came out. Yeah, you know, you produced it yourself, and

800
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: I tell you us like, hey, or the new version,

801
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty slightly different parts. It's like more radio

802
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: palatable girl. And your response was, I'm listening to it

803
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: like I never heard of before. And you can't grasp

804
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: my party with yore Sorry Sam, wha, he's just don't

805
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: be raining on my money, gop rain Oh a minute,

806
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: I ain't eat my face to listen to yogio tripping.

807
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: Y'all folking and girl you made yo man and then

808
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: on me and who sim down to night and nobody

809
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: making you watch me getting that it's good. So that's

810
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: a single now and you're working out, you know. The

811
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: interesting thing is is that And I'll just talk about

812
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: my listeners for a second, because I can always tell

813
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: by my listeners if it's a suppose the right way,

814
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: what will work, because all I gotta do is play something.

815
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: My listeners are no bs and they don't like it.

816
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: They just don't. They don't do what I say. I

817
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: just try to give them good options that they probably

818
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to hear other places. Like, Honest to god,

819
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: I can't make them do anything. But what I try

820
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: to do in my job is go, this is different

821
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: or this is really good, and you're not going to

822
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: hear this anywhere else, and if you like it, then

823
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: consume it. However, and I played that song, and I

824
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: looked at an iTunes before I played it because I

825
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: like to see what happens. And I give it one

826
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: full spin. It was a three. I played it one

827
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: time with an hour and half went to thirty eight

828
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: or something, and I was for me, it wasn't a

829
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: like for me, it wasn't like, man, Bobby, I told

830
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: you you knew what was good. It was God if

831
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: people can get out of that box a little bit

832
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: and see this is one spin. People reacted to this song,

833
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: and so you know, I've tinkered with it a bit

834
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: more more. But now it's kind of like, let's let's

835
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: let the label see what they can do. But it's

836
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: gotta be cool to see people hear it and go, wow,

837
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: I heard it now, I like it. Let me buy that. Yeah,

838
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some kind of bit like like okay, letybe,

839
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: there's something to this. Do you feel that? Oh? Man? Yes?

840
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: And uh, you know you have. The first question you're

841
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: asking was what it What was it mean for you

842
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: to to be on a label? And I just didn't

843
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: It's all every day it's a good day. I'm not

844
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: kidding though. I mean every that that day we celebrated.

845
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: I celebrate everything right now. And that is amazing that

846
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: that that I woke up that day and you know,

847
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: you play my song one time and it does that

848
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: and and yes, man, I mean you know, you work

849
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: so hard on music and you just think it's so

850
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: good and and you just then he produced and it's

851
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: so awesome. And then he put out put it out there,

852
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: and you're like, now it's time to see. You know,

853
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: the critics are paying and using their criticizing with their money,

854
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: and when they pay it, they're not criticized. And when

855
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: they don't pay it the right and so now just

856
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: to see I mean, we had a sick first week

857
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: when we blew it up and it was awesome and

858
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean it is so it is so gratifying,

859
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: uh you know that people and people liked it like

860
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: they're liking it. I mean, hey, another song too that

861
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: I saw a track and I was like, how can

862
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: this song even be a song? He just by looking

863
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: at the name of it. Oh, I was like my yeah,

864
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: I was like, he wrote a song about Halloween. And

865
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: I remember because I think it was on the second

866
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: the set, but how long was on the second age

867
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: break the internet? So Halloween. I was like, well, let

868
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: me even see what this song is about Halloween? Like

869
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: what is this about that? Dude? One? Like one of

870
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: the deepest songs and beautiful way because that's like I

871
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: get to take off my costume. You're talking about your wife? Yeah,

872
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: and then knock knock on yo though the mask I

873
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: ye shouted like glasses on the phone, and it was

874
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: like Halloween. It's all the people opportund rest in peace, restes,

875
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: rest in peace, so deep, so good, it's all the

876
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: people appetenderess tmties best pies. What's it like playing that

877
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: for your wife? Oh? Man? Uh awesome because she's so numb.

878
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: You know, love songs in twelve years, three or four

879
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: pub deals, you write a ton of love songs and

880
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: you just you come home and you're like, did I

881
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 1: get you? Did it? Did this one get you? And? Uh? None?

882
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: None of them? You know. God her like this one

883
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: because we dated in high school and she knew that's

884
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: what she meant to me immediately, you know, right off

885
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: the bat. I was a real insecure kid trying to

886
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: fit in and mobile, and then I met her and

887
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: she just saw the side of me that she really

888
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: fell in love with. And uh that's yeah, one of

889
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: her favorite songs for sure. We're talking about this sleep

890
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,279
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891
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,000
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892
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,719
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893
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,719
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894
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: to the same old mattress store and start to the

895
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: same old bed just because it's on sale. But let

896
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: me tell you right now, Sleep Number has the bed

897
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898
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,320
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899
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: screen and it tells you, like what you number is.

900
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: My number is a thirty. The Sleep Number bed lets

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905
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906
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907
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908
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909
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: huge chores in the nineties last night. Never been a

910
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: better time to visit a Sleep Number store. You can

911
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Speaker 1: and say fifty on a limited edition bed during the

912
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913
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914
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915
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916
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: and say you heard it here on the Bobby Bones

917
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: Show Bobby Cast, and so that's there and there. That's good.

918
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: I like listen. I like having sponsors because that's how

919
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: you know people are listening to the we we started

920
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: this thing. I mean, think anybody even gonna listen, like

921
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: Mike d and I this is no but this is

922
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: our equipment, Like this is just stuff that we wrangled

923
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: up and we started doing this little podcast and we

924
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: were talking to people like, for example, Katelyn one of

925
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: the first ones, he was on your It's just Caitlin

926
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: right now. I was like, hey, like come over the

927
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: house because I'm gonna do this thing. I'm gonna talk

928
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: to artists, talk to songwriters. And then now we got

929
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: to sleep number sponsor and this thing. But so uh yeah,

930
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: it's cool. It's cool. It's like, let me ask you this.

931
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: You put all the stuff out for free. At first, well,

932
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: who thought of that? Why was that the plan? So

933
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: that was thought of by my manager, Rob Robert Carlton,

934
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: and he's kind of famous now, but he, uh, you know,

935
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: he heard my stuff and like we were talking earlier,

936
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: he heard those songs that I was building in the

937
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: shack and he said, you know, he ain't gonna fit

938
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: country radio right now, but these will build a fan base.

939
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: People will share these, they will love them, they will

940
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: connect to them. And so that's what we did. We

941
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: just started putting them out, started touring a little bit,

942
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: got a couple of opening slots you know last year,

943
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: and places to go play them, got the loop, started

944
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: learning how to do that because just wanted them to

945
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: sound as close as I could to these tracks. And

946
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: that's why we started putting out free music. And it

947
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: was so exhilarating, was so therapeutic for me. It obviously

948
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: made me a better writer. I feel like they just

949
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: keep getting better and better. I'm already working on number three.

950
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: I don't know where that lives, you know, as far

951
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: as label stuff goes, but they will let me continue

952
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: the eight tracks, and so I'm excited about those. They'll

953
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: just keep coming for me. I'm a huge fan of

954
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: you and the music that you mate. Yeah, welcome, shut up.

955
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: I became a huge fan way earlier, Like I was

956
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: obsessed with it and I would say on the radio,

957
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: It's like, what's the biggest albums a year? And I'd

958
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: be like you know, I'll played Repcord from Urban a lot,

959
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: Maren and Walker Hays and I was and and I

960
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: would mean it from the bottom of the heart. And

961
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you and I were talking every day.

962
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: We were I don't even know if we were talking.

963
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: We were maybe exchange the text occasionally. But I was

964
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: just a fan. Like I was just a fan because

965
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 1: I love people who try things that aren't the same,

966
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: even if they fall on their face, Like I love

967
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: people that take shots falling forward. It's still it's still

968
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: moving forward. And so one I like the music and too,

969
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: I enjoy the fact that you were trying something new,

970
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: and so I would say that stuff like magazine to

971
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: do interviews like what you let's do most I love

972
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: Dirk's album. I love the Walker Hayes album like it

973
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: was just that's just because it was like, what's the

974
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: most thing that you playing? And so something that shook

975
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: me a bit. And I'm jaded first to admit it,

976
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: because I've been doing this now and just in this

977
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: capacity for four years and I've had Garth Brooks sit

978
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: beside me right and play, and I've had you name

979
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's great, and it never loses the fact

980
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: that it's great. But when when you eat Filet mignon

981
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: every day, it becomes kind of normal. So it's like

982
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: I enjoy it and I still appreciate it, but rarely

983
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: the things shake me. Occasionally, things like really, and I'm

984
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. I get a message from one of

985
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: my friends, she works at my record label, and it's

986
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: Mega boardman and she says, uh, do you hear this

987
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: song called Payne Walker Hay sent on the email. I

988
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm not on his email list. I'm

989
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: not anybody's email us. I didn't know he had to

990
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: email us. Like I just listened to the music and

991
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: I was like, no, she goes, you should probably hear it,

992
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: and I was like, well send me the email, and

993
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: so like I'm gonna tell you eyeball to eyeball, I

994
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: just sat in my car and I was like, to

995
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: have someone you're such a huge fan of like even

996
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: mention you and that song. I was like, this is

997
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: like crazy in my life. Honestly, it means the world

998
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: for you to say that, because when you put somebody

999
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: in a song, you're like, are they gonna hate? Like

1000
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: is this gonna suck for them. It it was. It

1001
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: was the weirdest thing. It was a great I have

1002
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: trouble with emotion, feeling at trouble letting myself feel emotion

1003
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: because I feel like any good emotion is gonna be gone,

1004
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: and any good emotion has to be met with equal bad.

1005
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: So I try not to have good emotion like it's

1006
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: a Listen, I'm nuts, right, I had great emotion from

1007
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: the song man, that's awesome and so and you can't

1008
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: do this. This is online, but this is pain from

1009
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: walking around here you go, mate. Two thousand sixteen, seven

1010
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: something in the morning, I was driving when a dream

1011
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: Comes True came through my high the factory speakers and

1012
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: on me. Bobby Bones played a song and I wrote

1013
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: about lonely beer and a fresh it's one of my doctors.

1014
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: What you hear is out felt from the broken in

1015
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: my heart was about addiction, love, loss and recovery. Trust me,

1016
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: I only wrote it because I had to get it

1017
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: out of me, not for Nashville, not for radio, for

1018
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: nobody bought me. And maybe that trouble so pressing rewind,

1019
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: wrestling demons like mine looking for company in this design

1020
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't really feel so brand all the time. I

1021
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: didn't known because iteels so good, feel so grand all

1022
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: the time, Dan, I didn't know because feels so good

1023
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: like I get your box out listen to. So I

1024
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: guess I want to know about it because well, I

1025
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: never asked you about the song because I was kind

1026
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: of embarrassed to do it, because I was like, yeah,

1027
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: I love that. I was embarrassed. So did you know

1028
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna play your song that morning? Because I

1029
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,959
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't tell anybody I'm gonna play their music. Well,

1030
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, when we've we've talked about this, Um, I

1031
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: just feel weird, you know, asking you know people to

1032
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: do that. You know, I honestly you know that that

1033
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: song is in that category of of comedian uh leadless starr.

1034
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: You know, nobody asked me to write about that. Um,

1035
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: I just had to, you know, it was it was

1036
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: a special moment for me. I was out in the

1037
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, um picking up Actually I had my

1038
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: loop worked on in close to Murfreesboro, so I was

1039
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: just driving when you played beer in the fridge, and man,

1040
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: it just wasn't another one of those moments where you

1041
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: gotta pinch yourself and and I was like I can't

1042
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: believe what is happening to me at that at this

1043
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: point in my life. You know, I got six kids

1044
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: I could barely feed, uh, you know a year ago,

1045
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: and now, uh my work tapes rocking on the radio,

1046
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, and Beer in the Fridge is a naked song.

1047
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the truth. There's like three things on

1048
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: the track. Um, you know, so I'm here and Keith

1049
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: Urban blow it up and then all of a sudden,

1050
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: I hear just you know always and it just rocked me. Man.

1051
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't have a lot of

1052
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: I have a lot of those moments where I like

1053
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: pull over and cry. I mean, I freaking love music

1054
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: and it it has so much emotional power over me.

1055
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: But I have never felt like I did when I

1056
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: listened to that song. Uh. And so I had to

1057
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: write about that moment and everything that it made me

1058
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: think of, you know, how far my life had changed

1059
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: pretty quick, you know, And so I just blurted it

1060
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: all out in that song. And you were obviously a

1061
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: part of that story. Um. So thanks. It was a

1062
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: great business. But honestly, like you said, I mean, I

1063
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, there were moments where I was like

1064
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to release it. Like

1065
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: I was also like, do I just put like a DJ?

1066
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know whether whether you would appreciate having your

1067
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: name and it or I was like, he's gonna think

1068
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: this is just a business move. But honestly, I've rent

1069
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, we're running by my team as I was

1070
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: creating the song, and they were like, man, you mentioned Mike,

1071
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: that guy you worked with a Costco. You mentioned your

1072
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: wife and your kid, and you you know the the

1073
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: song is honest about every detail. There's not one. I've

1074
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: always We've always laughed because I'm like, somebody's gonna ask

1075
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: about that song and be like can you can you

1076
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: tell me about it? And I'm just gonna be like, well,

1077
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, so you know, just I'm gonna

1078
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: recite this song because there's really nothing else to say.

1079
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: It's just the on truth down to the Costco card

1080
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: in the freaking console. I believe you too, because one

1081
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: you didn't put it out like out out, Yeah it

1082
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: was you sit down an email. It's still up there

1083
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: for you can't even like stream it. Yeah you gotta

1084
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: get um it's nowhere and you know, and I hope

1085
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: you eventually, if you put it up, it's all good.

1086
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: And I don't believe anybody at any time for any reason.

1087
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: I believe you because I just I don't believe you.

1088
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't believe anybody like you. Know how it is

1089
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: around here. Yeah, when times are good, everybody's your friend.

1090
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: And when times aren't good, and no, I want anything

1091
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: to do with you. And I do know that, man,

1092
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's a that's the nature of this beast.

1093
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: And so you got to find the people. And this

1094
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: isn't just our business, this is like a life thing.

1095
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: You have to find the people that when times are

1096
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: on that stock market downtick, that are right by your side,

1097
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 1: and you keep them by your side when that stock

1098
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: market goes back up because it's gonna go back down again.

1099
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: And so those are the people just ride, they just ride,

1100
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: let him ride with you, and you ride with them.

1101
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: And that's how you find the people, like the people

1102
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: that are with you when it's down, or the people

1103
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: that you just keep on surrounding yourself. Right, And there's

1104
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: like a few and that's it. I know, we had

1105
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: this whole conversation like off Mike days ago. But yeah, yeah,

1106
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: it's weird. It's been cool. It's been cool getting to

1107
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: know you because again, I'm just a huge fan and

1108
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: that's why I went. And I was like, I was

1109
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: doing this whole stand up comedy tour and you know,

1110
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: I can ask whoever I want to open, And I

1111
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: was like, man, I would love to freakin Walker Hayes

1112
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: come out because I just want to watch a blay

1113
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: like no other reason, Like I just want Walker to

1114
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: come out. And then in the middle of all this

1115
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: to see like you popping, like just popping. Is it

1116
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: now where you're starting to be cool and people are

1117
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: now coming out going, hey, cool guy, you want to

1118
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: work together? Oh yeah, I bet that happens. And you

1119
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: know what, that's okay because you're gonna trust as far

1120
01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: as you can throw them, but you can still use

1121
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: each other for for whatever advantage you're working together. Yeah,

1122
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: and that's you know, I'm ashamed to say this, but

1123
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've done that to somebody in this town,

1124
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, And I try to remember that that we're

1125
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: all capable of that. And um, but yeah, I mean

1126
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people are definitely coming out of the woodwork. Um,

1127
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: and that's tough. You know, sometimes it's tough to accept

1128
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: that you need the people coming out of the woodwork, though,

1129
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: is its exactly you need them. It's just used them

1130
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: for what they're there to be used for. Yeah, that

1131
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: they're not the people that are completely down, but they're

1132
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: down for what you need them for, and you're down

1133
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: for what you need them for. Just remember I didn't

1134
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: come out of the woodwork. I was ware. I was like,

1135
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: I was like hiding in the woods. I was waiting,

1136
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: like I was up in a tree looking down. I

1137
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: was like, you see Walker. Oh man, it's been good.

1138
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed like hanging and talking. No, I dide, man,

1139
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: thank thanks for having me. I feel like I've been

1140
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: on out. It is like it's therapeutic. And here's a

1141
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: little something. This is called Walker singing to the Duggers.

1142
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: Would you like to talk to us? Oh my gosh,

1143
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: sing it to the Duggers? You told me from the show.

1144
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: You tell me what this is? Hey, guys, Hey, how's

1145
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: it going? You guys like music? No way? You got

1146
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: a second? You have the episode? Yeah, so go ahead

1147
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: and tell me before I play what exactly? Okay, So

1148
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: this is uh S is when Derek and Jill I

1149
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: think is her name, got engaged and how did you

1150
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: end up on this show? Okay, so there The producer

1151
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: of the show lives near me and called me one day.

1152
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: He didn't hear yeah, you heard me on the back porch.

1153
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: Now he actually, Man, he was just like, we're thinking

1154
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: about doing this segment. If you can give us a song,

1155
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: I can convince the network that they need to do this.

1156
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: And I say, man, tell me about their love story.

1157
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: He was like, it's really cool. They went all the

1158
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: way to Catman Do, but they lived, you know, super close,

1159
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: but went all the way to another country and met

1160
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: each other here. So I just wrote this song and uh,

1161
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: he was like, boom, that's perfect for their uh engagement.

1162
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: Here we go. Hey, guys, Hey, how's it going. You

1163
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: guys like music? You got a second? I got a

1164
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: song that reminded me music. Hey, that'd be great. Will

1165
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: you go up about thirty show minutes down the street.

1166
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: But we had to go eight thousand miles away to

1167
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: meet I'm not sure what the Lord was thinking taking

1168
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: us all the way to cat Man Do, but I

1169
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: know he was thinking of me when he made you

1170
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: so and as beautiful as that is, the acting is

1171
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: first of all, has anyone ever in the history of

1172
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: questions answered the word no till you do? Like, Hey,

1173
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: do you like music? It's a safe question. Nah, not

1174
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: really all right man? Hey do you like food? No?

1175
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: And they just listen to the acting here, Uh yeah,

1176
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: what's up? Even the Hey guys, it's pretty bad, just

1177
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: like sitting in Hey guys, Hey, how's it going? God?

1178
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: This is awful the acting. Nobody wrote a script. I

1179
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: remember meeting with him and I talked to him because

1180
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: he knew he was in on it. I would hope. Yeah, man,

1181
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: we botched it big time. But she was still, Hey,

1182
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: how's it going. You guys like music? She's like, yeah,

1183
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: I do, Yeah, I do. How lucky because of all

1184
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: the people in the world, they both liked music, and

1185
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: you're lucky that they both did. Man, it was a dude.

1186
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm no actor, come on hey man' uh?

1187
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: And I haven't been written a song about your whole life? Yeah,

1188
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: do you have a second to stop for me? While

1189
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: I played this whole long I read about your life.

1190
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: This is totally random. By the way, Do you like music?

1191
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: I've I've actually auditioned for some stuff and failed. Big time.

1192
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean acting is talk about putting your guard down.

1193
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's a scary thing, kind of like your

1194
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: comedy thing. We were talking about before we went out.

1195
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: I was asking you if you're a friend, it's all vulnerable.

1196
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: It's all vulnerable. Music, vulnerable, comedy, vulnerable acting, it's all.

1197
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: If you're creative, you are vulnerable because people are choosing

1198
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: if they like or don't like what you're doing, and

1199
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: you need them to do that. That's vulnerable. You need

1200
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: someone to like or not like you. Hopefully they like you.

1201
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: But you don't create, so people don't care. You create

1202
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: so hopefully people care, and then when they don't, you

1203
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: realize I didn't create good enough or or at the time,

1204
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: I didn't create good enough. So just as you get

1205
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: up and you sing songs about your life, they are

1206
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: very vulnerable. I get up and I tell stories, and

1207
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: the entire light, the entire him is focused on my

1208
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: mouth hole. And that's it. But I mean, really that's it.

1209
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: But I thrive off that the same way that you're

1210
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: doing writing music. I thrive off of just and again

1211
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: it comes back to just being like needing that love too,

1212
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: like that that's that's finding love. For me. Hey, go out.

1213
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: I need that. I need that love, so I fight

1214
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: for it. Have terrible relationships, God terrible. I want to

1215
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: talk about it. No, I don't think so it's not

1216
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: it's not in the moment, not right now. This is

1217
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: this is not a Bob. This is not a Bobby.

1218
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: Bobby casts a Walker podcast. All right, so downlow, you

1219
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: broke up with me. It's only saw him that you

1220
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: can download right now. Yeah, we need to do nobody

1221
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: making you watch. It's not good. It is. God is

1222
01:07:55,040 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: difficult to see me. But hey, you broke up with me.

1223
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: It was you broke up So Walker, depending on when

1224
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: you hear this, will be out on the road with

1225
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: me until May. Walker Hayes dot com website to um whenever.

1226
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: What's Fun is on on tour? Nikita Carmen it comes

1227
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: down and sings Halloween with you? Is it? Like she's

1228
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: so good, right, and like nobody even knows about her

1229
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: really yet that's weird to me. She's so because she's

1230
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: so good. But they're going to you know, and I'm

1231
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: gonna pull her once and you know she I just

1232
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: met her on Skype and I was like, you gotta

1233
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: move to the States. Really oh yeah. I didn't know that.

1234
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: I didn't know your story. I don't know. Oh yeah, yeah.

1235
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: We were just looking for someone, like I needed a

1236
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 1: girl in the band so I could like write funny

1237
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: stuff from a girl perspective, raise women. And so I

1238
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: went through and I she couldn't find anybody. So I

1239
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: gave up, and from was like, hey, you should. They're

1240
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: just going Australia. She's not trying to get to the

1241
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: States and be a singer songwright over here, but she

1242
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: plays some pubs and I was like, oh okay. So

1243
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,560
Speaker 1: I skyped with her and thinks like ten am. I

1244
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: was like, hey, can you hear your guitar in the office,

1245
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: and she wouldn't got her guitar. Scyped with her like

1246
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: an hour later and she played on skype. That's the

1247
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: only time I ever said, ever seen and I was like,

1248
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, you're you're so good. She's like, oh,

1249
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: I didn't known about that. And I was like, can

1250
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: you get on a plane in the year in three days?

1251
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: And she got on a plane quarter job, moved here.

1252
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have any murder live. She lived with me

1253
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: for like two and a half months or so, and

1254
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: so and I was just like you, just just right right.

1255
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: She's just writing. She got a publishing deal. She you know,

1256
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, but she's so good yeahs and people will

1257
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: find her. I wonder five every day we're talking about

1258
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: dude with me. She's sick. She uh yeah, she's like

1259
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: two ft tall. Here we go, Nikita Karmen. This is

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Speaker 1: the first a place with this m M. I didn't

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Speaker 1: cry when he said I'm not the one because I

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Speaker 1: ain't want to come undone. I hear my head up

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Speaker 1: high and bit my tongue. I let the goodbye setting

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Speaker 1: like us couldn't stop thinking about too of us and

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01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: heartbreaks hard to rise above. I'll take the high road

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Speaker 1: and I'll keep my cool Brett as soon won't be

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01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: thinking about you first than it so, my friend, she's

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01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: not that pretty. You don't look how for s happy

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01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: as you do with me. She's wearing that trendy Tom

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Speaker 1: Petty t shirt. I'll stop being petty by your American girl.

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01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: The first time he was my week's wage. One Guila

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Speaker 1: Christen and a lipstick on the bathroom mirror, and damn

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01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: gonna wake up on the feel just fine. I just

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Speaker 1: gotta go a little out of my mind first, guys, like,

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Speaker 1: I know you talk about she like calls that a

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Speaker 1: EP or she's just like those are all worked tape.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. I believe if you were

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01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: to do that whole play a thing, that joker would

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Speaker 1: jump off the charge. I mean that song reminds me

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Speaker 1: of like something Lord, the royal person, the person. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. No, she's legitimately like fantastic. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking over here. It's like other artists. You may know

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Speaker 1: if it's her, Ready for the list, walk ahead, Lindsay

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Speaker 1: l my my girlfriend, Slash her roommate now Brandon Ray,

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Speaker 1: who is like they're one of the greatest, and like,

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01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: that's another you can sing his brains off. The raging idiots,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Smith, Natalie Himby, that's her people you may know. God, yeah, Walker,

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Speaker 1: good luck, man, dude, thank you. I need it. I'm

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Speaker 1: enjoying this, appreciate you have. I mean, man, this is awesome.

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: Relaxing the chair, it is I don't want to get up.

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01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: He walked in the house, it was like, this is

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Speaker 1: where you live. You know what, though, seriously, you need

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01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: to let somebody do a Bobby cast on you. I

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01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: do that every morning. It's told the Boby b Show.

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01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: But you need somebody. I wrote a book. You need

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Speaker 1: someone to ask no questions about uh personal stuff like

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Speaker 1: Amy kind of did a bit, right Amy. Yeah we

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Speaker 1: don't with Amy, she did a bit. But I wrote

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Speaker 1: a book. Good. I'm good. I got on yeah, second one.

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Speaker 1: I talked about that maybe yeah, but yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 1: Life's good for me. I'm the thing about me. It's

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01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: about Walker. I'm a huge fan, like die hard fan,

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01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: like as legitimately as possible. And I kept you from

1304
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,560
Speaker 1: this for a while because it was like everybody was like,

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01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: all right, enough for Walker ahead talk about Walker Hayes,

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Speaker 1: like you just wait. I have a tweet that I

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Speaker 1: say from like seven months ago that was like in

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Speaker 1: a year. But it's gonna be like, why did I

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Speaker 1: sleep on Walker Hays. I save that tweet. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: show everybody one day and be like I told you

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Speaker 1: good to see you man. Thanks. All right, Walker Hays

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Speaker 1: download anything he puts out, I demand it. All right, good, alright, Mike,

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Speaker 1: we're out. What episode was that thirty six? All Right?

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Speaker 1: Walker Hayes at Walker Hayes right dot com. H A.

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Speaker 1: Y E. S. Walk from me on Instagram. Yeah, at

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Speaker 1: walker Heights on Instagram and Twitter at walkers dot com. Uh,

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01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: he's out with me doing all the music and I

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Speaker 1: do with the jokes until may have you announced the

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Speaker 1: other thing yet? Don't know? Okay, so then in mind

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Speaker 1: other stuff coming down, other stuff coming for us. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you, uh siting, Bye, buddy. You can hearly

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Speaker 1: keep this STI thing in the back up forgot to

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Speaker 1: turn her part down anyway, by it