WEBVTT - STBYM Listener Mail: Darkness There and Nothing More 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.480 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.280 Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind Listener Mail. 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:14.440 My name is Robert. 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.759 Lamb and I am Joe McCormick, and hey on our 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.720 listener mail episodes of Stuff to Blow Your Mind. What 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.560 do you think we do? 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We often don't get a chance 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.800 to reply to all of these messages, but if you 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:55.720 do send something into the show, there's a chance it 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.640 could be featured in a listener mail episode like this one. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.920 That's right, and since I think it's going to come 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.080 up pretty early in this episode, will also go and 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.720 mention that, yeah, we're on some of the socials. We 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.280 also have a discord server for the show. To join 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.400 that Discord server, you just need to email us and 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.600 we'll send you the link. You know, maybe it's not 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.800 the most efficient way to do that, but it's the 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:20.360 way we keep doing it. I don't know. It makes 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.400 it feel a little more special when people actually join, 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.360 like you've got to want it enough to actually email 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.319 us and ask for the link. They actually have to 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:28.720 have a handoff of information. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.640 Does that make it less likely that the discord is 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.640 infiltrated by bots? I don't know how Discord works. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.160 I guess so, I don't know. I don't know the 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.800 current state of bots. It's possible they are all bots 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.360 in there and they just all have me fooled. But 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.160 they're nice bots on the whole, so I guess I'm 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:46.920 not opposed to it. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.080 Well, maybe we should start off with a message from 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.320 Discord today. So this is our first message. It's going 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.120 to be from Taylor, and it is in response to 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.760 our series from a few weeks back on the theme 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.880 of being upside down. So this message it actually relates 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.240 to multiple things we got into in that series. One 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:10.960 topic is what are called inversion illusions among astronauts in microgravity, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.800 So you know, astronauts when they're in orbit around the 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:16.880 Earth and the space station or on the way up 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.120 sometimes report these these strange kind of sensations where they 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.960 will be in microgravity and then suddenly just like their 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.760 subjective vertical flips, and they suddenly think, Oh, I'm upside down, 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.400 I'm hanging upside down. So we talked about that and 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.960 some interesting effects of inversion illusions, like how can it 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.120 can like disrupt your perception of objects and things like that. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.800 The other idea from that series is the Thatcher illusion. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.359 That's this interesting psychology discovery about what happens when you 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.320 make grotesque alterations to a picture of a human face, 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.240 like if you flip the eyes and the mouth upside 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.360 down relative to the rest of the head. The Thatcher 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:02.919 illusion finding is that while these modifications are immediately obvious 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.560 and usually quite funny when looking at a picture right 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:11.079 side up, they become to most people virtually invisible when 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.160 the picture is turned upside down, and we get into 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.560 some theoretical reasons why that could be the case. So 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:25.320 on to Taylor's message here. Taylor writes have an interesting 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:30.119 tidbit to add to the upside down discussion. Turning illustrations 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.800 and reference images upside down is a tried and true 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.920 mind hack artists use to help reproduce those images more accurately. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.840 To paraphrase an art instructor's explanation, our minds develop heuristic 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:47.600 concepts of what certain categories of things look like. When 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:52.120 illustrating a subject, the brain supplements sensory information from the 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:56.720 eyes with the heuristics offered up by our inner eye. Consequently, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.320 an illustration of a subject is often skewed by what 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:04.640 we think the subject ought to look like. Inverting the 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:09.640 reference image slash subject makes it unfamiliar parentheses, we do 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.120 not have heuristic concepts of what most things look like 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.760 upside down, forcing the mind to abandon heuristic data and 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.880 focus on visual sensory information, helping an artist replicate the 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.279 image more accurately. I have to imagine something similar is 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:31.880 happening to astronauts experiencing inversion hallucinations and seeing familiar objects differently. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.599 Perhaps the inversion is forcing them to observe the objects 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.799 more actively than they would at their typical vertical, where 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:45.800 mental heuristics might be supplementing their image processing. Well, thank you, Taylor. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.279 That is a really interesting thing to add to this discussion. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.479 I don't think I've ever used this technique myself, but 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.599 I should give it a try. I think I've talked 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.400 about this on the show before, but to my family 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.800 and friends, I am notoriously a terrible visual artist. Of 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.440 the things I draw attend to provoke the storms of 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:10.760 laughter from onlookers. So yeah, maybe this will finally help 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.560 me with my artistic breakthrough. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.120 Well, I just always doodle goblins and the like, because 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.159 that way you always nail it one hundred percent. There's 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:20.200 no messing that up. 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:21.080 That's true. 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.520 All right, Here's here's another one. This one, I guess. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.640 This one came in via email. Am I correct on this? 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:36.080 From matt yep Ye subject line I am upside down? Hi, guys. 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.560 Listening to your upside Down episodes made me remember something 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.960 from my childhood. In the front yard, we had a 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.520 tree that had branches forked in just the right way 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.279 to be perfect for hooking your legs over to hang 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:51.360 upside down. So naturally that was something me, my siblings, 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.080 and many of the neighborhood kids all did on a 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:59.000 semi regular basis. Now, the specific memory that the episodes 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.599 brought up was about a time that a friend was 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.360 hanging upside down and he commented how it looked like 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.520 I was walking on the ceiling. This struck me at 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.000 the time because such a thought had never occurred to me. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.320 I think it has something to do with me having dyslexia. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.360 But to me, the people around me still seemed right 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.400 side up even when I was upside down. I'm tempted 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.880 to use the words that they looked right side up, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.600 but I think that isn't exactly right. It's more they 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.720 felt right side up, and the orientation of how they 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.839 looked didn't really matter to my brain. They were just 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.160 right side up. I don't know, but maybe you can 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.400 pull some discussion points from that. But in any case, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.520 I hope you at least find that interesting. I also 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.719 wanted to mention something that came to mind while listening 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.039 to the Weird House episode about I Am Legend. This 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.200 would have been about the movie The Last Man on Earth, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.800 but we also talked a little bit about I Am Legend, 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.400 that being the source book and also the name of 0:06:53.440 --> 0:07:00.400 the third adaptation of the novel, and I continues me 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.520 as noteworthy how air seems to be the major weakness 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.640 of the bacteria, but the bacteria also spreads quote on 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.880 the wind. The bacteria propagates using the element that is 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.880 most dangerous to it, which seems to imply two distinct 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.360 phases of life, a spore phase where it is dormant 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.000 enough to survive air travel, and a more active phase 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.000 where it can infect its victims. Anyways, I thought you 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.320 might find these thoughts interesting. Love the show. I always 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.480 learned things I would never have even thought to look into. Matt. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.720 Thank you Matt Well on that the first account this 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:35.560 childhood experience of hanging upside down and having kids discuss 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.960 their perceptions. I mean, yeah, it's I think we all 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:44.480 have maybe similar experiences, you know, where we just have 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.960 this there's this place where perception, you know, the pure 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.720 sense perception of things, and then the interpretation of sense 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.400 data meets and you know, there are different points in 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:59.600 our life where we're forced to really analyze how these 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.200 things lie up. And this sounds like, you know, perhaps 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.080 an early example of that, where you may maybe don't 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.240 have all the terms in your mind or you know, 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.440 certainly all the angles on it you'll get later on, 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.000 but you're beginning to wake up to the idea that, yeah, 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.160 something weird is going on. How is it that I 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.560 can see something and I also feel something about the 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.760 things I see that may be, you know, in opposition 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:24.960 to the way things are. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.840 Yeah. I think it's very valuable when you're young to 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.360 have experiences of seeing the world a different way, or 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:38.000 having some kind of challenge to naive realism or challenged 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.280 to just the assumption that all of the properties that 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:45.839 you perceive about reality are are unchanging and objective, which 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:46.640 many of them are not. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.840 Yeah, So thanks for that childhood field report there, Matt. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:55.719 Yeah, Okay, here's a short message from Eric on the 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.280 subject of upside Down. A warning that this has spoilers 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.680 for a Star Wars Expanded Universe novel. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.360 So okay, they don't name which novel it is, so 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.320 just it's one of them. If you're looking to read 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.480 one to all of them, then just maybe have your 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:12.000 guards up. 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.120 Eric says, Hey, gents, thanks for the fun episodes about 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.480 upside Down. This your conversations reminded me about a Star 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.040 Wars Expanded Universe novel I read when I was a kid. 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.439 The hero of the novel was imprisoned in a subterranean 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:35.120 prison camp. Eventually he learns spoiler that the entire prison 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.840 is actually upside down through the use of artificial gravity 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.360 so that prisoners go the wrong direction if they attempt 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.920 to escape. It seemed a bit more effort than was 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.360 really worthwhile, but it was an interesting idea. Thank you, 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:50.920 thanks again for the great show. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:51.680 Eric. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.240 This reminds me of the superstitious practice of burying suspected 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:57.480 vampires upside down. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.719 Yeah. Yeah. Plus, I don't know that I I've run 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.400 across a use of artificial gravity like this in sci 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.080 fi before. I mean, generally you're encountering artificial gravity for 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.280 one of two reasons, one because you actually want to 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.360 figure out how gravity attuned beings are going to live 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.120 in outer space, or generally, more to the point, you're 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.480 shooting a sci fi film and you don't want to 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.400 attempt to replicate micro gravity the whole time. You just 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.040 want gravity. And we're just gonna go ahead and say 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.160 that there's something under the floor or in the ship 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.520 that is making that happen. But this would be a 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:40.240 case of exploiting it planet side, which I pretty much 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.000 I don't think I ever encounter. I guess it would 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.520 make sense that in some of these sci fi scenarios 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.640 you would have it, just because not every world's going 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.040 to have the same amount of gravity that might be desired, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:55.600 but in this case especially, you would have to really 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.719 have it cranked up. Right. This is like running the 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.600 air conditioner in the desert, right, because you're not only 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.840 creating gravity a strong gravitational pool where there isn't one 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.520 or there's a very weak one. You're creating the opposite 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:12.960 gravitational pull on a place where there is gravity. So yeah, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.040 I agree, it sounds like maybe it was more more 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.800 work than was necessary, but hey, when you have presumably 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:26.120 a cruel empire behind something, they sometimes the budget goes 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:27.240 a bit out of control. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.160 This would have been a great plot point in Star 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.160 Crash if only we could go back in time and 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.160 get Luigi Kotzi to do this one. Can you just imagine, 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.120 like Stella and l they end up going to the 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.480 center of a planet because the prison was upside down. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:43.040 I think it would work. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.040 Yeah, I think it's Grit's great. Like I love what 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.360 they did in and Or with the prison, But if 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.040 they had used this concept instead, that would have totally worked. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.640 I don't know, it would wouldn't have worked in the 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.120 same way. They'd have to change a few things, but 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:55.560 I think it's a cool idea. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.800 Well, I feel like it would have changed the tone 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.560 of the prison in and Or was pretty dark and terrifying. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.520 This would make it significantly funnier. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:04.839 Yeah, yeah, I mean, it depends how you play it out. 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.240 I mean, the idea of I guess it would have 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:08.920 been more of a dead end, because it's that seems 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.640 to be the where this ends up. As you think 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.560 that you're reaching the surface of your suptrane in prison, 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.120 but you've climbed the last rung of the ladder and 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:21.960 you emerge like deep below the prison, like you're even 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.600 more underground and buried than you were initially. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.600 So just just more locks down here. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:32.440 Yeah, all right, well, yeah, thanks for sending that in. Yeah, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.600 don't know which book that is, but I'm sure if 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.960 one does the right searches, it'll it'll turn up. All right, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.320 Let's see, here's another one. This one comes to us 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.959 from Uncle Bosco. I don't think we've heard from Uncle 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:48.160 Bosco before. I don't recall, but this is more discussion 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:56.080 of upside down. Hello, gentlemen, your discussion is about upside down. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.199 Immediately made me think of the scene from Big Trouble 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.520 in Little China, and the scene depicts a jack and Weighing, 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.959 saying a series of corpses hung upside down in chains 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.480 in water, and Weighing explains that this is the hell 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.200 of the upside down centers. I had an experience with 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.000 a little upside down weirdness. Oh wonder, this is the 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.720 point that I was wondering. Is he did he have 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.000 an experience where he was in a like he was 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.040 on an elevator and it began to flood with water 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:26.720 and he escaped into a hell of skeletons and chains. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:27.200 I don't know. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.280 I spent eighty thousand years in the prison of unchained. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.120 What is it upside down centers? Yeah? 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.079 Yeah, Uncle Bosco continues so and says, in twenty fifteen, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.520 I had an accident with a lawnmower and the big 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.720 toe on my right foot was severely damaged. However, almost 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.480 all of the soul of that toe was intact. The 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.120 surgeon flipped that flap of skin up over the wound 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:55.840 and stitched it closed. Throughout my recovery, the surgeon would 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.280 cover my foot with a towel and use a needle 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.520 to test if my nerves were he and rewiring. For 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.079 about five months. When the surgeon would poke the needle 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.600 into the skin that was now on the top of 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.400 my toe, but which had been the bottom of my 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.760 toe for forty five years. My brain would usually signal 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.040 me that the needle was poking the bottom of my toe. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.559 After about four months, I started to feel it correctly, 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.360 and around the end of the fifth month, my brain 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.480 had completely rewired itself to indicate the poke was on 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.120 the top of the toe. Be safe and have fun, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:28.200 Uncle Bosco. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.160 That is awesome. That is really interesting. It makes me wonder, like, 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:41.040 what how is that process regulated? Does the nerve reorientation 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.800 there to feel the bottom of your toe as the 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.680 bottom again when the flesh has been relocated? Does that 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.200 require continuous visual conditioning? Like do you have to be 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.720 looking at your toe while you're touching it over a 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.800 long period of time or does that just happen naturally 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.960 somatically over some type of period. 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:01.720 Of re growth. Yeah, it makes me think of the 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.960 you know, some of the treatments for phantom limbs syndrome 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.800 that involve the use of a mirror. Yeah, yeah, fascinating. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.040 All right, I think we have another one here for 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:22.480 us from another cleverly named listener. They keep coming up 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:22.800 with them. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:24.720 Do you want me to do this one? 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:25.480 Oh please do? 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.520 Okay, this is from the Wandering Wizard. Wandering Wizard says, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.200 listening to The Upside Down part one and have only 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.360 made it to the part where you talk about Dante 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.240 going through Hell and coming out the other side and 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.680 having the flip in the middle. Yeah, that was what 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.640 we started talking about there, Wandering Wizard says, I know 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.920 you guys love quote interesting movies. I also know you 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.440 guys prefer the older movies, so you might not have 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.760 seen this one. In twenty twelve, someone decided to remake 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:58.040 the classic Total Recall. In the twenty twelve version, the 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.880 post apocalyptic Earth has a giant gravity elevator of sorts. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.880 The movie calls it the Tube or the Fall. This 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.240 is a gravity driven transportation system that goes from one 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.320 side of the Earth to the other through the center, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.760 and if I remember correctly, flips people halfway through. Oh 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.560 very nice. I'm skeptical that the reason Dante put the 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.040 flip in was because of the Earth centric universe view, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.040 but that may just be me projecting because I know 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.200 the same things happen because of gravity. Keep up the 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.640 good work, Wandering Wizard. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:36.360 Now I will say twenty twelve's Total Recall, directed by 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:40.120 Lynn Wiseman. It is a movie I had seen. I remember, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:44.720 really yeah. I remember watching it, and I remember enjoying 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.160 it because I went into it knowing this was going 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.240 to be a different take on Total Recall, and this 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.160 was not going to be the Total Recall that I 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.600 that I loved. But you know, it was made by 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.880 a director whose films I have enjoyed before and featured 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.120 pretty cool cast, so it was like, it'll have some 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.679 fun action, and I remember having a good having a 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.960 good time with it. But I mean, this was also 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:12.960 one of the many films where this strange Martian phobia 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:18.120 comes into play with particularly you know American bigger budget pictures, 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.280 where there was just some sort of idea that seemed 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.040 to last way longer than it needed to that you 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.200 could not or you should not have a movie set 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.120 on Mars because it would be a box office failure. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:31.360 You know. This was one of the reasons that they 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:36.720 made at least one of the Doomdom not Doom Doom movies, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.439 and they were like, it's not set on Mars, and 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.840 then I think maybe they retro actively changed that. It's like, 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.440 actually it is Mars, like they backtracked a little bit, 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.600 but like, this is such a pervasive feeling. It's like, no, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.520 you can't have a movie set on Mars. People will 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:54.240 not view it. It will not be a hit. Well, 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:54.760 what was it. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.560 I remember sometime in the nineties or was it the 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.600 nineties or the early two thousands, that were who movies 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.320 about Mars that came out around the same time, and 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.240 there was like Mission to Mars and Red Planet. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.520 I think that was it, and I think those, if 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.520 I'm not mistaken, those were not successful. My memory could 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.280 be off of that, but I think those films, or 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.600 at least one of those films, contributed to this bit 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.760 of wisdom in the film production world that Mars was 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.960 instant death for a film, and I imagine probably the 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.920 John Carter film that came out in recent decades was 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.280 also also contributed to this feeling. But yeah, I don't know. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.440 The producers are hard on Mars. It's rare you see 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.760 a strong Martian film poked through to the surface. So 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:42.800 I imagine the scenario here is they're like, okay, we 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.439 want you to remake Total Recall, but it cannot be 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.560 set on Mars. And he's like Okay, can I have 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.240 an elevator that goes to the center of the Earth 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:53.080 to Australia And they're like, sure, that's great. God, people 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.400 will love that. People can connect to that. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.359 They don't go to Mars in this one. That was 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.560 the point you're building to. They actually never go. 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.720 I don't think there's Mars in this one. Let me 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.400 do AI a quick Yeah, yeah, it's not on Earth, 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:05.919 not Mars. 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.320 Yeah. Well, I gotta say I find that offensive. I 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.160 think I think that I think total recall movies should 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.760 go to Mars. I've only seen the first one, but yeah, 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.240 that just seems like that's part of its soul. It's 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:19.560 got to. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:24.080 Go there, all right. We had numerous folks write in 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.480 about this next bit and our when we were talking 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:31.440 about pop culture examples of walking on the ceiling, monsters 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.520 on the ceiling. I don't even remember how it came up, 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.800 but this idea of there being some sort of image 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:37.879 from a film in which there's a baby crawling on 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:42.480 the ceiling that had disturbed us, but in the heat 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.120 of the moment, neither of us to remember what film 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.000 it was. Numerous folks wrote in to tell us that 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:52.639 we were probably remembering nineteen ninety six's train Spotting. So, 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.679 for instance, I'll read at least one of these here. Well, 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.160 let's see we've got we heard from a couple of people. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:03.439 Let's see which one should I read. Let's go with 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.480 Let's go l rode in. But we also heard from Mike. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.480 I'm gonna read Mike's just because Mike mentioned something else 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:16.680 I did as well. Mike says, Hey, guys, I'm a 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:18.520 little behind in the pod lately, but I'm in the 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.600 middle of upside Down number two and have your answer 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.120 to where you were remembering a baby on the ceiling 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.520 from Trainspotting. When you and McGregor's character is going through 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.000 with draws, he has visions of a friend's baby crawling 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.800 along the ceiling towards him, a truly terrifying scene that 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.800 is made much worse by the uncanny valley robotic baby used. 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.280 I am guessing this answer was already given, but on 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.600 the off chance that it wasn't, here you go. Ps 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.639 still waiting for you guys to cover Johnny mnemonic in 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.000 Weird House. Thanks as always, Mike. 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.280 All right, not the first time we've had a request 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:54.080 for Johnny mnemonic. So I never seen that one. 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.560 I've seen parts of it and it's got a wildcast, 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.520 so it's very much on the list. It's just sometimes 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.840 these things, you know, we have a list to draw 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.400 from and sort of in the heat of the moment 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:09.560 inspirations to draw from, and we just kind of see 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:11.200 which way the wind is blowing when it comes time 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.159 to pick a movie. But this one's very much on 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.280 the list. I think we'll get to it in time. 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.520 Okay, are you ready to do some responses to the 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:19.639 Star Wars episodes? 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.400 Oh? Yeah, yeah, I'm going. 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.480 To read this message from Jonas in reaction to the 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.120 first Star Wars episode that we did about Hath where 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.399 we talked about the Tonton sleeping bag, among other things. 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.720