Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Is this very exciting because I have
Speaker 1: the Oliver Hudson here with me important.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming. It's so exciting, so exciting.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we rewatched one oh seven, which is called
Speaker 1: The Monogamous, And I'm so happy that you're here because
Speaker 1: you are a straight guy who's been married a long
Speaker 1: time and you can shed some light. Okay, can we
Speaker 1: need some help understanding?
Speaker 2: Eighteen years impressive?
Speaker 3: Got together twenty three or twenty four?
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, So I cannot wait to hear. But I also
Speaker 1: want to just say, in case our viewers might not
Speaker 1: necessarily know viewers, listeners.
Speaker 2: Whichever we call them guests, you were on and just
Speaker 2: like that, I was.
Speaker 1: And so part of the reason that I love Oliver
Speaker 1: and want who to be here is because he played
Speaker 1: a very very cool character on.
Speaker 2: It, just like that he had.
Speaker 1: I was not there, yeah, which I'm kind of glad
Speaker 1: and kind of not.
Speaker 3: I know, you know, to experience with an intimacy coordinator.
Speaker 2: No way, And what did you think?
Speaker 3: I loved it? Honestly, I really did. I really like
Speaker 3: intimacy things really easy, Yeah, and really great. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you know I was game for anything. You just tell
Speaker 3: me what to do, you know, because I'm the guest
Speaker 3: star here. Whenever you're comfortable with, I'm comfortable. It was
Speaker 3: it was great. I've never done that. I'd had a
Speaker 3: lot of sex scenes in my life. We're kind of
Speaker 3: just all.
Speaker 2: Right, just go in wacky right how it used to be.
Speaker 3: It's all worked out. But to have it mapped out
Speaker 3: and planned out.
Speaker 2: Just because there were three of you there, it kind
Speaker 2: of needed to be.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because the next episode is about threesomes
Speaker 1: in the original real series Sex City of the original season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what what a weird you know co instence and
Speaker 1: it's still being you know played out. Thres a very
Speaker 1: interesting thing, but ours is not about that. But anyway,
Speaker 1: intimacy coordinators, I've had good end bad since this new
Speaker 1: dawning of the intimacy coordinator.
Speaker 2: That bad, I have had bad.
Speaker 1: I mean it was one of my first times with one,
Speaker 1: and I think that's part of it, is like you
Speaker 1: just for us who've been around a long time, it
Speaker 1: was just they'd say which little tiny thing would you
Speaker 1: like to wear? And then you know, get in bed yes,
Speaker 1: and you know, let's get rid of.
Speaker 2: The extra crew.
Speaker 1: And that was about it, you know, and hopefully you
Speaker 1: were in tune with your co star. That's what it
Speaker 1: was about, and the director, but mostly your co star,
Speaker 1: like an agreement and like you feel comfortable and kind
Speaker 1: of like I think, caring about the other one for
Speaker 1: both sides, men and women, right, So it was about that.
Speaker 1: But I did this indie and it was a very
Speaker 1: very chaotic set. I'm not going to say what it was.
Speaker 1: I mean a set where you couldn't trust anything going
Speaker 1: right or properly professionally or whatever. And this woman who
Speaker 1: was the intimacy coordinator had been a dancer, so she
Speaker 1: would be like she was working with another actor who
Speaker 1: I love very much, who's also a vet and totally trustworthy,
Speaker 1: like so protective and amazing. She would say, okay, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna kiss three four and then you're gonna we
Speaker 1: were like, what, like what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, all the spontaneity out of it.
Speaker 1: Listen, I wanted to kiss this person. No, no, no
Speaker 1: offense to anyone might be listening. But I mean I
Speaker 1: was like, you can go, like I got totally totally.
Speaker 1: But the thing that was great, and he also was
Speaker 1: super you know, professional and whatnot.
Speaker 2: And it all worked out.
Speaker 1: But the thing that we have learned with and just
Speaker 1: like that, because we have a lovely uh intimacy coordinator,
Speaker 1: it's more.
Speaker 2: About like she'll say, what are you worried about? What
Speaker 2: are you nervous about?
Speaker 1: And I'll watch the monitors and make sure that's not happening.
Speaker 1: So it's like another set of eyes for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great. I mean she was, okay, how
Speaker 3: do you feel about putting your hand here and doing this?
Speaker 3: And and you know, I made a move and Soda
Speaker 3: was like not cool with it, you know, totally sweet,
Speaker 3: but it was sort of triggered them and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh this is this is okay whatever, And that's when
Speaker 3: I became completely submissive like a dog. I was on
Speaker 3: my back with my feet and hands up.
Speaker 2: I think that was the right way to go. I
Speaker 2: think that was the right way to go.
Speaker 1: Also, Michael Patrick has a lot of ideas. Yes, and
Speaker 1: you know, you got to roll with whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I've learned, I've learned my lessons
Speaker 1: over the years. Do not object and just find a
Speaker 1: way that you're.
Speaker 2: Going to be comfortable so it can be great. But
Speaker 2: back in this day, we didn't have such things. No,
Speaker 2: we did not.
Speaker 1: And the thing that I really love, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so many amazing things. And as we were saying earlier,
Speaker 1: I need to know, did you watch this back in
Speaker 1: the day, Like, what's your history with the show?
Speaker 3: So my history with the show is that everyone talked
Speaker 3: about it. It was the show to watch at the time.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a show for women, honestly, and
Speaker 3: you know, my friend Alex actually was obsessed with the show, okay,
Speaker 3: and we were like, what this is not demographic, I
Speaker 3: don't understand.
Speaker 2: Right ahead of his tem it was.
Speaker 3: And you know, so I never really got into watching
Speaker 3: the show. Later on, I watched a couple but it
Speaker 3: was not it was not something that I got into. Now.
Speaker 3: At the time, I was not as much as into
Speaker 3: TV as I am now.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, it was a different time.
Speaker 3: It was a different time. He was waiting every week
Speaker 3: to watch the television show.
Speaker 1: Every week he had to be there when it was happening. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: nine o'clock Sunday night.
Speaker 3: I will say in watching this episode last night, uh,
Speaker 3: first of all, so far ahead of its time, as
Speaker 3: far as how it was written, you know, how comfortable
Speaker 3: everyone was in saying in saying those things, and how
Speaker 3: it's just a pure reflection that we haven't ever seen
Speaker 3: before with four women who are being intimate with each
Speaker 3: other and saying that, I want to say, we had
Speaker 3: never really seen anything like that.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: It's funny to think about because it's now, I feel like,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that I love about
Speaker 1: talking about it now is to see what's changed and
Speaker 1: what hasn't. Because some things have changed, some things have
Speaker 1: not changed, right, And one thing that I do think
Speaker 1: has changed is that people talk much more freely about
Speaker 1: sex and relationships. Yes, and I think partly because of
Speaker 1: social media, we have ways to talk about it. And
Speaker 1: also like people go on red carpets like pretty much
Speaker 1: naked now, you know, and this was not the case
Speaker 1: back then.
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all.
Speaker 3: So it was that and it was so good.
Speaker 2: Thank you, It's so good.
Speaker 3: I was with my wife watching last night and I
Speaker 3: was like, I think I might start this now. You
Speaker 3: know this many years, you know, ahead of time. You know.
Speaker 3: It was just it's so good. It's good. The case
Speaker 3: so on point, and it's only seven episodes in so
Speaker 3: it can only get better and better.
Speaker 1: I know for sure it gets better because in my mind,
Speaker 1: as I was telling you, I always thought that the
Speaker 1: first season was just like kind of a wash, Like
Speaker 1: I just thought it was a mess.
Speaker 2: We didn't know what we were doing. We were all
Speaker 2: over the place.
Speaker 1: I remember Darren saying to us at different times, like,
Speaker 1: you guys have to be really funny, Like are really funny?
Speaker 1: He was like, get his hands all agitated.
Speaker 2: And we'd be like, uh, but are you is there
Speaker 2: more jokes or you just want us to make what's
Speaker 2: there for you? Like what do you mean?
Speaker 1: And then sometimes he'd come down from upstairs. We were
Speaker 1: shooting a Silver Cup in New York at the time.
Speaker 2: He'd come down. He'd be like everyone has to be sexier,
Speaker 2: you have to be a sexier and I'd.
Speaker 1: Be like me, me, are you sure, because I don't
Speaker 1: now it gets well.
Speaker 2: I mean, Charlotte does some stuff that literally I had
Speaker 2: not remembered, Like I'm like, what what what? What what?
Speaker 1: Because they were trying to figure her out, right, and
Speaker 1: so like on the one hand, she's saying I want
Speaker 1: to get married, I want to get married, But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, she's doing a lot of She's pretty game,
Speaker 1: like more so than I remember. You know, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Your guys can were you Was it immediate your chemistry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we never even read together. We didn't have a
Speaker 2: chemistry reader.
Speaker 3: But you guys got together. It was like bang.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty much bang. And it was also
Speaker 1: I think it was a couple things. Number One, everyone
Speaker 1: was so excited, like it was such an odd and
Speaker 1: unusual thing at the time. Like I remember when I
Speaker 1: had gotten because I knew Darren from Melroy's place, and
Speaker 1: he had sent me the script. And I've said this
Speaker 1: many times. Sorry for anyone I'm repeating it. He'd sent
Speaker 1: me the script when Sara Jessica had been unsure for Carrie,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I can't pull carry off because
Speaker 1: Carie was much more like Kennis Bushnell, the original columnist, right,
Speaker 1: a little boulder smoked, swore a lot, very like more
Speaker 1: like Samantha in a certain way. And I very clearly
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, I need to be that
Speaker 1: other one, that Charlotte one that doesn't do a lot.
Speaker 1: I need to be her because she's more I relate
Speaker 1: to her because I grew up in the South, So
Speaker 1: I think that really informed Charlotte, even though she's not
Speaker 1: technically Southern. But it was so crazy to think of
Speaker 1: four women without lead men Like Big was present, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't clear that he was going to be this
Speaker 1: you know, really really huge through line for her. It
Speaker 1: was just maybe going to be a season or you know,
Speaker 1: who knows, right, like they they had to kind of
Speaker 1: make that up once they off in the way that
Speaker 1: we did. So it was really just just the four
Speaker 1: of us in Sara Jessica, and there was nothing like
Speaker 1: it at all, and the idea that four women could
Speaker 1: lead a show that wasn't a soap opera, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: it was about relationships and sex, but it was also funny,
Speaker 1: and it was also shocking and brave in a way,
Speaker 1: brash and brave, you know.
Speaker 2: Back then that part was so thrilling that I think
Speaker 2: all of us were just like, you know, we didn't
Speaker 2: even know each other at all.
Speaker 1: So when I talk to each everyone, you know, they
Speaker 1: tell me stuff that I didn't know about their beginning
Speaker 1: on the show, which is so interesting.
Speaker 3: No, I know, well even watching it, just talking about
Speaker 3: the time that it was it was made. When the
Speaker 3: guy that you were with is trying to push you down,
Speaker 3: like give him a blow, right, I mean the in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety what six or seven? You know, it was
Speaker 3: funny and it was sort of strangely relatable. Well not
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: I was a young I was a young man.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying, you could you can't do that
Speaker 3: now right with context in the tone that it was
Speaker 3: done then, right, it would be like, whoa wait a minute,
Speaker 3: this is when I did find your power. And you're like, definitely,
Speaker 3: gone right, But but it happens a lot the minute
Speaker 3: he did it in the first scene, right, I'm like, oh, well, she's.
Speaker 2: Gone right, I know. Right, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: And then it's like I love you, I love her.
Speaker 1: It was like a right, you know, right, But I
Speaker 1: also remember and of course this is I'm going to
Speaker 1: regret this, but I mean it's not the first time
Speaker 1: that it had happened to me, of course.
Speaker 2: But it's also crazy to think about the.
Speaker 3: Beauty of it. But you're touching upon, you know, the
Speaker 3: relatability of what women are deal with on a daily basis. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, that's the relatable part. Yes,
Speaker 3: and even for guys, it's shameful relatability. Potentially right.
Speaker 1: So let me just say, from a perspective of understanding
Speaker 1: the societal you know, pressures and whatever, I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone was telling you guys that that was not cool.
Speaker 2: No, of course not So I don't blame everybody kind
Speaker 2: of I don't know. I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 3: I honestly, and I've had my share of women, I
Speaker 3: have never in my life even come close to doing
Speaker 3: anything like that because it's not my nature.
Speaker 2: There's a respect there, I guess, or it's like it's.
Speaker 3: Almost leaves me speechless. It's beyond the way I can
Speaker 3: even think.
Speaker 2: Because I want someone to be doing that. It's not
Speaker 2: exciting to.
Speaker 3: Make sex life even right now with my wife, you know,
Speaker 3: by the way, twenty five years together, sex is still
Speaker 3: like unbelievably incredible.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: It goes from like eighteen times a day when you're young,
Speaker 3: but it's deeper and deeper and deeper as you get
Speaker 3: older and once. I think, especially for the man. And
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of work on myself. I've been
Speaker 3: to the Hoffman Institute to deal with my own I mean,
Speaker 3: I've done some stuff. Vulnerability for men just generally is difficult, right,
Speaker 3: Vulnerability with your significant other is even more difficult to
Speaker 3: be able to sort of even say the nice things.
Speaker 3: And for me, it was hard to even look at
Speaker 3: Aaron and say, I just want to tell you right now,
Speaker 3: I'm solicited that I love you and like I'm so
Speaker 3: just lucky that you're in my life. It was to
Speaker 3: say something like that makes me want to like hide.
Speaker 3: That's the feeling of like, oh my god, it's cringe
Speaker 3: worthy for me because it's so vulnerable, right. I did
Speaker 3: a lot of work on myself with that. I was
Speaker 3: able to be more open and it changed the game.
Speaker 3: First amazing what happens is is for men, A little
Speaker 3: note to men is yes, we get when we are
Speaker 3: open and vulnerable like that. There's a safety that comes
Speaker 3: from her, from Aaron, let's just say now, right, which
Speaker 3: allows her to be more open and connected with sex.
Speaker 3: It's been a million years, so new doors are open,
Speaker 3: not just from like a dirty standpoint, which is always fun,
Speaker 3: but just from a intimately intimate connected place where we
Speaker 3: would have sex and be like, oh my god, like
Speaker 3: what is that.
Speaker 2: That's amazing? That's the best kind.
Speaker 3: Oh it really is, yeah, it really really Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: oh yeah. So I went off on a bit.
Speaker 1: Of I know, but it is so good because like,
Speaker 1: one of the things I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: is a male perspective of Big here because in this episode,
Speaker 1: which is super interesting to look back on because Charlotte
Speaker 1: was always pro Big, but I'm looking back on this
Speaker 1: early season and being like, eh oh, because Carrie is
Speaker 1: very connected and very open. We start the beginning of
Speaker 1: the episode and she's saying, like, you know, we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of New York, seven million people, and it's
Speaker 1: that great shot where you know, real New Yorkers are
Speaker 1: walking acward the camera. It's so cool and it looks
Speaker 1: so seventies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now to our eyes now in twenty five right
Speaker 2: close right, all of the cars everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they're they're like so united and within this crowd,
Speaker 1: and she's obviously, you know, over the moon into it,
Speaker 1: and we assume he is too, and they're spending all
Speaker 1: their time together to the point where she hasn't seen
Speaker 1: the girlfriends at all, and we think she's, you know,
Speaker 1: falling off the cliff or whatever. And then cut to
Speaker 1: he says he has a work dinner, and yes, and
Speaker 1: we go out to dinner with her because she says,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Big has a work dinner tonight, A work
Speaker 1: thing tonight, you know, let's go out to dinner. We
Speaker 1: go out to dinner, and we see him in the
Speaker 1: corner having dinner with another woman, which I'm just like,
Speaker 1: he should have been out.
Speaker 2: Then, like, oh, what the heck?
Speaker 1: Like just because to me, I would feel that they
Speaker 1: were not in sync. That if I was in that
Speaker 1: relationship and I thought we were over the moon, not
Speaker 1: even talking to our friend's level of connected and then
Speaker 1: he's gone out with another woman.
Speaker 2: What the heck? Boo out the door? I guess, what
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 3: Well, so here's the show specifically, Yes, he said he
Speaker 3: had a work dinner, so right, a work.
Speaker 2: Thing, I think dinner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lie lie there. Okay, take that away
Speaker 3: just for a second later on in the not later on.
Speaker 3: But I love the way that that scene was handled.
Speaker 3: And it's funny you're asking me about this because I
Speaker 3: took note of it where he wasn't caught. He didn't
Speaker 3: play it like he was caught, which is that an actor,
Speaker 3: by the way, But he didn't play like.
Speaker 2: He was that's a good point.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, hey, maybe a little uncomfortable, but hey,
Speaker 3: this is Bonnie or whatever her name is ew But
Speaker 3: and I just had this conversation with a friend in
Speaker 3: real life? Was there an established there was no situation,
Speaker 3: and there wasn't here was where it's like, are we
Speaker 3: boyfriend girlfriend? Are we committed? And so you can't just
Speaker 3: assume that one is committed and the other isn't. Even
Speaker 3: if you're getting the committed vibes, you still have to
Speaker 3: have the conversation for sure, but you just talk emotionally.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with you, but emotionally it would really
Speaker 1: hurt me to think that we were not on the
Speaker 1: same level, Like when she goes, oh, I didn't realize
Speaker 1: I was in these feelings by myself, Like that's an
Speaker 1: upsetting feeling.
Speaker 3: Sure, but then you have to take into account the
Speaker 3: reasons why he might not be Why why might not be? Well,
Speaker 3: there could be a psychological thing, there could be something
Speaker 3: like he's been burned before, he's been hurt before, his
Speaker 3: parents have divorced, he's a noncommittal person, he's feeling loved women.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, but let's say that those Okay. He's
Speaker 1: a grown up, right, he's not twenty five, he's not thirty.
Speaker 2: He's a grown up.
Speaker 1: Okay, So she is obviously open to this in a way.
Speaker 2: That he seems like he might not be. It's unclear.
Speaker 1: It's unclear right Like, when I'm watching it back, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking myself, Big is sending her so many mixed messages,
Speaker 1: like kind of from the get go, you know, and
Speaker 1: she just hangs in and you know, tries to figure
Speaker 1: you're it out and she goes out with Miranda and
Speaker 1: she's overthinking it.
Speaker 2: But like, I completely relate to that.
Speaker 1: She's like, maybe you know when he said I missed you, babe,
Speaker 1: because then he calls her from his silly car moment,
Speaker 1: which is so adorable, and he says like, I missed
Speaker 1: you babe. This is right after she's seen him on
Speaker 1: the day with the other woman. Like, that's very mixed
Speaker 1: messages and confusing.
Speaker 3: He's a manipulative Yeah, but maybe he Do you think
Speaker 3: he really missed her?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, why did you go on that date?
Speaker 1: And why didn't you tell her? But this is my
Speaker 1: question that I did because we.
Speaker 3: Weren't committed, I know, but we never had the conversation
Speaker 3: Like I'm how do I know what? I don't know
Speaker 3: what you're doing? You know, maybe I have a fear
Speaker 3: that you know you're doing other things too.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let me ask you this about psychology and
Speaker 1: the psycho, but let me ask you about the psychology
Speaker 1: of it, okay, because you don't know what.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it, and listen, I am like number one
Speaker 1: annoyingly understanding of people's psychology. But at a certain point
Speaker 1: you cannot do their work for them, and so you
Speaker 1: need to know are they going to do any work
Speaker 1: on this or are they not sure?
Speaker 2: And is this just the way it's going to be?
Speaker 3: Well, yes, once you get deeper into a relationship, yeah,
Speaker 3: but in the beginning stages when we're watching, it's still
Speaker 3: a feel out process, meaning yes, they're to get there
Speaker 3: together and there's feeling things. But it stated in the show,
Speaker 3: we were not we never had that conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you spent like.
Speaker 1: Eight days, I believe she says she hadn't seen us
Speaker 1: in eight days the friends. If you spent eight days
Speaker 1: hold up with a woman in your single past, would
Speaker 1: you not kind of feel like that was important?
Speaker 3: Oh? God, that just depends so much on the experience
Speaker 3: with those eight days.
Speaker 2: Are what if it was amazing? Well, for her she
Speaker 2: feels it's amazing thing.
Speaker 3: I would definitely when you're going down the path and
Speaker 3: you're starting to feel things and you're having some jealousies
Speaker 3: or you're like, where are we, I would never assume
Speaker 3: that that other person is right on the same page,
Speaker 3: even if they're showing it, because we don't know why
Speaker 3: they're wait. I would rather have the conversation of hey,
Speaker 3: I'm feeling you. I don't want to be with anyone else.
Speaker 3: I'm not putting any pressure on you, but I admit this.
Speaker 3: I'm in this position now where I don't want to
Speaker 3: be with you if you are seeing other people. So
Speaker 3: we need to have this conversation, right, But.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like men hardly ever bring that conversation up.
Speaker 3: No, No, I mean I guess not right.
Speaker 2: Right, I know they just wait for us. It's like
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3: Of course. Yes, wait, I wait too, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean I've had three women in my life who have
Speaker 3: loved my high school sweetheart, who I still have so
Speaker 3: much love for, my girlfriend Vanessa for three years, and
Speaker 3: then my wife and I've never dated anyone else two weeks,
Speaker 3: two months, six months. Never it was either, wow, let's
Speaker 3: have a good time, or were I'm feeling something and
Speaker 3: it was hard for me to feel something because I
Speaker 3: was very particular.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm so glad it worked out, did all three?
Speaker 3: All three amazing. I never said I love you first.
Speaker 3: I made them say it because I was too scared.
Speaker 3: I was too scared. I didn't want to get rejected.
Speaker 3: I was too worried.
Speaker 2: Let me ask.
Speaker 3: I would say stuff like this, like you know you
Speaker 3: love me, right, And I was like, what do you mean.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you love me? And they're like I love you,
Speaker 3: and like good.
Speaker 2: Not only would you not say it first, you would
Speaker 2: write them first.
Speaker 1: Woah, well, good for them, Okay, good for this.
Speaker 2: Too scared, but that's kind of adorable. I used adorable
Speaker 2: as a way to get or needed yeah.
Speaker 3: Or needed right because I wanted to say it, but
Speaker 3: I didn't say it, and like, oh, that's so cute,
Speaker 3: thank you, and then I'm gone.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this about Big, because you're
Speaker 1: a guy, and maybe you can understand this better than me.
Speaker 1: Because I look back on it, and again, I think
Speaker 1: at the time these thoughts never entered my mind.
Speaker 2: I was pro Big, and I just think that's because
Speaker 2: we were used to this stuff, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Like aloof confusing men were completely normal, right, you know, right,
Speaker 1: and we just had to figure out how to be
Speaker 1: with it, right, Like we had to adjust, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: which is what I see Carrie doing.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, but she does decide to tell them again.
Speaker 2: Oh sh as we know she will do that for years.
Speaker 3: Yes, but I also think that if he had a wife,
Speaker 3: or if he was in a real committed relationship with
Speaker 3: someone else, you know that she would never do that.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's confusing.
Speaker 1: It's not clearly no, right because like even the thing
Speaker 1: that I think is so interesting performance wise is so
Speaker 1: and obviously we're skipping over many things, but the thing
Speaker 1: that it's interesting to look at the beginning. Then he
Speaker 1: calls her. Then she's spinning around trying to make sense
Speaker 1: of what he said. Then she goes to this party
Speaker 1: with Justin Throw, who we will get to in a second,
Speaker 1: and then she says to him, you know, come meet
Speaker 1: me here. He's putting his arms around me like she
Speaker 1: does her own kind of like I'm going to play
Speaker 1: my game back right, which I totally understand. And then
Speaker 1: he does come, but they're the wrong place she's in
Speaker 1: the front, or she thinks she's in the front. He
Speaker 1: thinks he's in the front, which is so beautifully written.
Speaker 2: Right, and then he's like I was here. What do
Speaker 2: you want?
Speaker 1: Which is a lot like the last episode two which
Speaker 1: we didn't make you rewatch. But he waits in front
Speaker 1: of the bar and she thinks he's not there. Like
Speaker 1: they have a lot of these kind of missed things,
Speaker 1: which I think is so real to life, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's so close that everyone's trying, but.
Speaker 2: It seems you're so confused, like did they try? Did
Speaker 2: they not try? He tried? Did they not try? Am
Speaker 2: I trying? Am I doing all the work?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: It's confusing but beautifully written. So he comes and he's like,
Speaker 1: I was over here waiting in the dark. She's like
Speaker 1: I'm over here and then she basically looks at him
Speaker 1: with those eyes, which I'm just like, how could anyone
Speaker 1: say no to her?
Speaker 2: Right? And she says I just want.
Speaker 1: To stand still with you, and then he kind of
Speaker 1: doesn't answer, but then he puts his arm around her
Speaker 1: and they look up at the moon. So his actions
Speaker 1: often are the thing that saved the day, where he
Speaker 1: doesn't always say what she wants him to say. He's
Speaker 1: not forthcoming right in a communicative way, right, but which
Speaker 1: actions kind of say I want to be.
Speaker 3: Here, yeah, which is very male right, you know right?
Speaker 1: Do you read into that like he wishes he could
Speaker 1: say more probably and he's scared or this is different
Speaker 1: for him, or I mean what probably.
Speaker 3: Different for him? Okay, this is this is how I
Speaker 3: would analyze that without knowing a lot.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean there's no a lot. This is the
Speaker 2: thing when you're watching, it's like an enigma. He's just
Speaker 2: a walking enigma, charming.
Speaker 3: And nation charming, and you wonder is he doing the
Speaker 3: same thing with other women?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm pretty sure that he is, because they go
Speaker 1: to that party which I totally left out, or like
Speaker 1: this woman comes up and.
Speaker 2: Kisses him and says, where's my mask?
Speaker 1: And then he introduces Carrie to another friend who says, oh,
Speaker 1: you must be in Nicole or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: And she's like no, I'm just like run.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of there's like a
Speaker 3: million of them, where like how many women did you
Speaker 3: sleep with her? Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question.
Speaker 3: Well the other thing too, is you know passport that
Speaker 3: means they're flying out of the country exactly.
Speaker 1: He goes, this is my friend that I traveled with,
Speaker 1: and she goes internationally I assume.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like irritating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when there's a spark and there's something there,
Speaker 3: you want to follow through it because you are not
Speaker 3: he is not committed to you. She's dating other women.
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that. From a legal standpoint, there's nothing.
Speaker 2: I know, it's just emotionally hard.
Speaker 3: I stand No, I'm talking from a pertical standpoint.
Speaker 2: A practical standpoint.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not Listen, he is not you mean, he's
Speaker 1: not breaking any agreements. He's not get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: It just feels emotionally.
Speaker 2: Like scary.
Speaker 3: Well that's why it's like, Look, I like you. I
Speaker 3: know that you've got a passport girl, You've got this
Speaker 3: other girl, you got this. I want to continue this,
Speaker 3: but I can't. If this is kind of the life
Speaker 3: that you're living and want to continue to living. If
Speaker 3: you want to focus on me and commit to that,
Speaker 3: then I'm down otherwise, like.
Speaker 1: Any right, But she doesn't really say that, and I
Speaker 1: mean that is the other interesting part is I look at.
Speaker 2: Her, Carrie, and you know, I mean you, I don't know.
Speaker 1: How much this is me reading into it, because of
Speaker 1: course I know Candice, and I know the book and
Speaker 1: the you know, she had been quite the party girl herself,
Speaker 1: you know previously, right, and then I do think it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a change for her, right, And he
Speaker 1: had been quite big is still I guess, quite the
Speaker 1: big man about town, right, and he was based on
Speaker 1: a real person who was quite the man about town.
Speaker 1: And then they're kind of in some ways doing this
Speaker 1: what will turn out to be a very long dance
Speaker 1: towards the being monogamous with each other, but it takes
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 2: You No, yes, it's also the.
Speaker 1: Show, right, And also I mean, if it was easy,
Speaker 1: what would we do exactly?
Speaker 3: It was amazing And then they.
Speaker 2: Got together, sleep together, right right right right right.
Speaker 3: That you put big in her together. You're kind of like, no,
Speaker 3: I mean yes, but no.
Speaker 1: I know, but that's what it's so hard to write
Speaker 1: that dance over time, and the fact that they did
Speaker 1: is kind of amazing. And when I look back, I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: on some level, even just how they started, because they
Speaker 1: would just see each other at bars and parties and
Speaker 1: whatever and have that spark and then but not really
Speaker 1: do anything.
Speaker 2: And then I'd forgotten all.
Speaker 1: Of that, Like they really were so skillful in a
Speaker 1: way that I didn't realize at the time. But then
Speaker 1: also I also look back and I think, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's so withholdang.
Speaker 2: Even in the beginning, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Of course she hangs in there, God in lover.
Speaker 3: That's what makes it great. And love is a rational
Speaker 3: Love is weird, like you cannot plan it. You can't
Speaker 3: do anything like you could. You have these feelings that
Speaker 3: you may not want, but you do. So what do
Speaker 3: you do with them? You just throw them away? Or
Speaker 3: do you see?
Speaker 1: This is the big question now because I feel like
Speaker 1: now in social media, everyone's like, you know, control this,
Speaker 1: don't do this. That person's a narcissist, don't do that.
Speaker 1: You know, like there's a lot of efforts that control.
Speaker 2: Yes, what can you really control these things?
Speaker 3: Of course not?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not possible, right, you know.
Speaker 3: There's always sacrifice. You always have to be living with something,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, in order to have a healthy
Speaker 3: long term relationship, you're going to have to go through
Speaker 3: some real ship, right, and it's work, and.
Speaker 2: You have to work on yourself of course it's both great,
Speaker 2: but some men they just do not want to work
Speaker 2: on themselves.
Speaker 3: I know it's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 1: It is hard, no joke, no joke, is hard, but
Speaker 1: it is interesting. It is because I don't think. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have friends in relationships that are really good that
Speaker 1: I admire so much, and then I also have friends
Speaker 1: who aren't in relationships and who are just like confounded,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I don't, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I guess it's just, you know, I have friends, you know. Well,
Speaker 3: we're also at the at an age where it's it's
Speaker 3: not easy. No, you know, it's like, oh, I want
Speaker 3: love in my life. I don't want to die alone.
Speaker 3: But here's but here's who I Here's who I am now,
Speaker 3: and I have so much more to guy so to give, right,
Speaker 3: But now I have to match it up with a
Speaker 3: dude who's like on my lean.
Speaker 2: It's a small, small window.
Speaker 1: I know, not to scare anyone out there, but it
Speaker 1: does get increasingly challenging. Yes, to fit someone into these parameters.
Speaker 3: I think you just have to, you know, hope for it,
Speaker 3: manifest it in one way or another, and then be
Speaker 3: grateful for everything else.
Speaker 2: In life, really absolutely, and.
Speaker 3: You know understand that you cannot force these things, right,
Speaker 3: and it's almost like I think.
Speaker 2: The dating apps gave the illusion that you could force them.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, and some people, I mean I have
Speaker 1: friends that that has worked out for.
Speaker 3: You totally.
Speaker 2: Which brings me to Justin Threrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Justin Threw is one of the I think
Speaker 1: we only have two actors and this is talking from
Speaker 1: the beginning of Sex and the City in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: seven to current and just like that times we've had
Speaker 1: two actors played two different characters the show, which is
Speaker 1: pretty cool, and Justin's one of them. And this first
Speaker 1: one is such a shock, like I only vaguely remembered.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Sarah, Jessica and Matthew were friends
Speaker 1: with Justin from New York nest. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: know him, you know, I don't think I was there
Speaker 1: when they filmed. And then I do remember when he
Speaker 1: comes he comes back, he changes his facial hair and
Speaker 1: he plays a writer. It's very different, and I think
Speaker 1: it might have been the last season of Sex and
Speaker 1: the City, but.
Speaker 2: Here he plays a kind of.
Speaker 1: Frightening character that we've all probably met which is like
Speaker 1: the writer of the moment, the cool dude. And at
Speaker 1: one point she says something to him like you know, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's talking about all the great things that
Speaker 1: come from having a New York Times best selling book,
Speaker 1: and she goes, oh, acting like an apple, and everyone's
Speaker 1: thinking that you're great, and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I love you with me so funny. It's
Speaker 2: so funny.
Speaker 1: And he's so good at playing this like kind of
Speaker 1: charming and kind of smarmy guy. And then later he
Speaker 1: plays someone just fully opposite but also still a.
Speaker 2: Writer, I think, which is also interesting.
Speaker 3: He's just he's great.
Speaker 2: I justin can do a lot.
Speaker 3: I was telling you before we know he was. He's
Speaker 3: doing a movie a TV show with my sister. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: called Running Point.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch it. I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 2: I did not realize he was on there.
Speaker 3: It's good. He plays the older brother, Kate's old got
Speaker 3: her brother got it Yeah, excellent, And he's just so
Speaker 3: good and he's so talented. Me got so good writer.
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing is that he was in
Speaker 2: some ways known as a writer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's why we kept casting Yeah, which I forgot.
Speaker 3: I think he wrote Tropic Thunder. I mean, he's had
Speaker 3: some cool stuff and he's funny as hell, but also
Speaker 3: great dramatic actors.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the leftovers, Oh my gosh, I know, incredible,
Speaker 1: incredible left Sorry I just shouted into you guys.
Speaker 2: Ears.
Speaker 3: It was funny because he came on and again I
Speaker 3: was watching with my wife with Aaron.
Speaker 2: Like, is that he looks like he's twenty five?
Speaker 3: So young? Right, wait a minute, and he was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's not him, like I think him.
Speaker 2: It's one.
Speaker 3: I was like, it's his voice, but yeah, I had
Speaker 3: to look it up.
Speaker 1: No way, Wow, I mean this is nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: it's a long time ago. Yeah, but he's amazing. He's amazing, right,
Speaker 1: let me look at my papers. I have to be like,
Speaker 1: I know, it's a little scary and like there's a
Speaker 1: part of me where I'm like, yeah, you should go
Speaker 1: home with him, and I'm like no, and I guess
Speaker 1: and I'm like.
Speaker 3: No, it's one of those things like I don't know,
Speaker 3: would the sex be good with that guy?
Speaker 2: You know, It's funny because.
Speaker 3: He's almost so self important, like you only care about
Speaker 3: his own.
Speaker 1: I think probably yes, But I also think that he's justin.
Speaker 1: So there is something that he's bringing that's not on
Speaker 1: the page that makes you think maybe, oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: character though forget you know what's on the page's it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that characters kind of like, No, he'd be good
Speaker 3: in bed.
Speaker 2: No I think he would. I'm not even gonna say
Speaker 2: what I think he would do.
Speaker 3: Yeah you do, yes, just say it.
Speaker 1: He would come in like fifteen minutes and roll off
Speaker 1: you and go to sleep, right or going back to
Speaker 1: you would.
Speaker 2: Push your head down, right, push.
Speaker 3: The head down and then going and then all at
Speaker 3: the table you're talking about going down on the you know,
Speaker 3: going down, Yeah, blowjobs. What was the line like, I
Speaker 3: only do it to get it or something right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Miranda said, I only give head to get head, which
Speaker 1: is a good line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's great.
Speaker 2: It's good line.
Speaker 1: So but I don't even think he I don't even
Speaker 1: know if that character would would get I don't think right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem.
Speaker 3: Like a unless he he thinks he's so great at
Speaker 3: it that he's going to show you.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 3: And it's not even for you. I don't almost for him.
Speaker 1: To show you know what I mean women do not
Speaker 1: like that. No, that's my personal feeling. What you can
Speaker 1: tell when someone's doing it in a performative type of way.
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Now, I remember my story I was telling when I
Speaker 3: was talking about Aaron and this and we're having great sex, right,
Speaker 3: tell me just just generally. I was leading up to
Speaker 3: something that I forgot, but now I remember. Tell me
Speaker 3: because we had talked about something prior. I if she
Speaker 3: is not in the mood, if she doesn't want to
Speaker 3: and it's just doing it for charity, I'm out.
Speaker 2: You can feel I.
Speaker 3: Don't want it. If she comes in like babe, like, okay,
Speaker 3: do you want I like have sex now, I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: this is not how I want to go about it.
Speaker 3: There has to be connection there. There has to be
Speaker 3: a desire or want.
Speaker 2: This is why you're happily married, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean. There has to be Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: don't want charity. I don't want charity sex gross. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to go back to something really quickly.
Speaker 2: Okay, then I'm going to go.
Speaker 3: Back to okay really quickly. You said I love it,
Speaker 3: you said fifteen, you said he comes in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: Is that you imply that that's a short amount of time?
Speaker 3: Can I address that for a second.
Speaker 1: It was a random number, but get your point. It's
Speaker 1: not that short, it's it's relatively long.
Speaker 2: I guess, well, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just saying it was you. The implication for you was
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. And then he's done and he's gone, and
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, oh Jesus, I better not sleep with Chris.
Speaker 2: But I think I think, God Jesus, it's going to
Speaker 2: be the headline just for this.
Speaker 3: And then we'll get back into the show. But like,
Speaker 3: I just think there's this miss all right.
Speaker 2: Am I right now? Oh?
Speaker 3: There's a misconception with men, and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not because of the fifteen minute thing that
Speaker 3: women want to have sex for hours. There's a misconception
Speaker 3: of that. And there's also a misconception that a woman
Speaker 3: wants a very huge penis. Oh no, Jesus, right, Oh
Speaker 3: this is this is not the tone of this.
Speaker 2: No, no, it can't be. Okay, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Saying, okay, okay, let's address both. Okay, so this is
Speaker 1: what I think about it.
Speaker 2: Now. I did try to talk to someone. I think
Speaker 2: Christine Taylor.
Speaker 1: Last week, there's this weird vibe of the sex scenes
Speaker 1: in the whole first season where everyone is just like
Speaker 1: madly pawing at each other and kissing like crazy, like
Speaker 1: this weird heightened thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, why were we all doing that? Like
Speaker 2: what is that about? You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: who's idea of good sex? Is that?
Speaker 3: Like I watched Yeah kissing Cynthia, that dude, I was like,
Speaker 3: what is he doing?
Speaker 1: Percent Yes, it is a whole through line of this
Speaker 1: weird frenzied ripping at the clothes And I do think
Speaker 1: it was something that was happening in soap operas on
Speaker 1: TV at that time. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: it's kind of a TV thing. But I also can
Speaker 1: remember films like that when sex used to be in films,
Speaker 1: you know, where they would like rip the clothes off,
Speaker 1: which is so not realistic at all and to me,
Speaker 1: not sexy.
Speaker 2: Like what I'm getting to that animal?
Speaker 3: I mean, you can have anal is.
Speaker 1: Good, right, but starting slow is so nice And I
Speaker 1: think like and I'm just we're here, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go for it. The last person that I had any
Speaker 1: kind of relationship with younger at one point. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of kissing in the beginning, and then
Speaker 1: at one point he was like, yeah, that's too much kissing.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, the kissings is really important, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you know, he was young and not very
Speaker 1: evolved or whatever, and he's like, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to kiss like that.
Speaker 3: And I was like, could the fact that you even
Speaker 3: say that?
Speaker 2: I know. I was like, now it's going to be over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, because if I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: the good kissing, yeah, what am I here for? Well?
Speaker 3: I know. And it's funny you say that because with
Speaker 3: my wife again for a millionaires, the kissing kind of
Speaker 3: went away a little bit. Oh no, well, because I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it's transactional sex in any way. But sometimes
Speaker 3: you got kids, you got this.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: Of course, there's quickies, sure, but you know, you kind
Speaker 3: of forget. Yeah, and then it's like you remind like, oh,
Speaker 3: the kids makes out and you make out, and it's
Speaker 3: it's so good.
Speaker 2: Right, God, that's good that you felt that way. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad so for me in terms of the fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes thing situation and I'm only speaking for myself because
Speaker 1: I really think it's important. I think our show tried
Speaker 1: to show this, but I think people forget. You know,
Speaker 1: there's different women who want different things and this is fine,
Speaker 1: just like there's different men who want different things, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you have to figure out the person that you're
Speaker 1: with in whether you were into that, like with Charlotte
Speaker 1: in this in this particular episode apparently, which I have forgotten,
Speaker 1: Charlotte doesn't like to give blowjobs, which I think she
Speaker 1: gets over, okay, because there's a scene.
Speaker 3: I know. When I saw that, I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 3: that's that's sort of a it's kind of extreme. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that the guy pushing your head down, No,
Speaker 3: that doesn't make it, but it is a it's a
Speaker 3: bit of a deal killer. I mean, I mean, if
Speaker 3: I was with a woman and I'm falling in love
Speaker 3: and I do not give blowjobs, I hate it. I
Speaker 3: don't want it. I'm like, because that's intimate and that's fun,
Speaker 3: and I'm for sure, I'm like.
Speaker 2: You, I get it, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: I'm going to marry you and grolled with you and
Speaker 3: die with you without ever having a blowjob for sixty
Speaker 3: eight years. That's a long time.
Speaker 2: That is a very long time.
Speaker 1: This is my feeling with it because I had not
Speaker 1: remembered the storyline at all. Cynthia had remembered that when
Speaker 1: that episode was happening, that Darren and Michael Patrick came
Speaker 1: to us independently, each one of us and said, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you guys feel about blowjobs? Because we're trying
Speaker 1: to write this, but we realized that we're gay men
Speaker 1: and you guys are straight women.
Speaker 2: Can you share with that your thoughts? Right, I had
Speaker 2: forgotten all of this.
Speaker 3: She would have documented all this stuff stuff amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we were just incredible.
Speaker 2: You know, it was very intense.
Speaker 1: We didn't have that many days to shoot back then either,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we were We didn't think
Speaker 1: we would what we are.
Speaker 2: I guess we all said are different things.
Speaker 1: And I know that I didn't say that I didn't
Speaker 1: like it, because I wouldn't really say that. I might
Speaker 1: have said I don't like someone pushing my head down,
Speaker 1: because definitely who likes that? Nobody as far as I know.
Speaker 1: But I didn't remember that either. But I didn't also
Speaker 1: remember that Charlotte has this whole thing and very like
Speaker 1: kind of adorably and with some strength, really thinks that
Speaker 1: he's going.
Speaker 2: To be like, of course that's fine. No, blow jobs
Speaker 2: is fine. Yeah, she's not important to me. Problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sweet and cute, so sweet and cute.
Speaker 2: I like that. I just don't like that.
Speaker 1: I mean what I think at the time, thinking back
Speaker 1: on it and also thinking about you know, she's had
Speaker 1: this huge development which all people do, right, which is
Speaker 1: what's the joy of still getting to play her all
Speaker 1: these many years later, and she's this incredible relationship with
Speaker 1: Harry And there is a scene in and just like
Speaker 1: that evolving a prosthetic with a blowjob that she is
Speaker 1: one hundred percent willing and initiates and into.
Speaker 2: So thank god she.
Speaker 1: Got over whatever that was right, and I don't know
Speaker 1: why we didn't deal with it.
Speaker 3: It was a nice commentary though. It's super interesting that
Speaker 3: so that I watched where I think Samantha' is like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's I feel power right right.
Speaker 1: No, it's super fascinating to think about the dynamics of
Speaker 1: that and the dynamics and talking about it from the
Speaker 1: female perspective, which I think is what hadn't been on
Speaker 1: screen before and what people are surprised about is a
Speaker 1: the openness, but be the fully female perspective, like we
Speaker 1: don't even ask the dude, see him saying big is
Speaker 1: an enigma and we're just trying to figure it out,
Speaker 1: which is very much the female experience, right, And then
Speaker 1: Charlotte's like, well, I just don't like it. And when
Speaker 1: they have that scene at the you know, the restaurant,
Speaker 1: and Carrie's like, don't do it if you don't like it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so cute.
Speaker 1: It's so cute but also so important because just the
Speaker 1: idea of being able to not do something that all
Speaker 1: the men want you to do is kind of.
Speaker 2: Revolutionary, of course, of course.
Speaker 1: But I mean my thought, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: I thought at the time. I thought now would be
Speaker 1: like what trauma did Charlotte have?
Speaker 2: Did Charlotte? I mean, maybe it was all the men
Speaker 2: pushing her head.
Speaker 1: Down, Like if that's the general get go, which I
Speaker 1: do think. I mean, I probably couldn't count the number
Speaker 1: of men in my twenties that pushed my head down.
Speaker 2: Probably couldn't count up how many that would be.
Speaker 1: It would probably be everyone that I was ever involved
Speaker 1: with in my twenties.
Speaker 2: You know, which is really sad.
Speaker 3: No, I know, like Kerry's supposed to like that thing
Speaker 3: kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: I know it is kind of crazy, but it's also
Speaker 1: so amazing now that we can even say that that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Mhm