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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Is this very exciting because I have

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Speaker 1: the Oliver Hudson here with me important.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming. It's so exciting, so exciting.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we rewatched one oh seven, which is called

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Speaker 1: The Monogamous, And I'm so happy that you're here because

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Speaker 1: you are a straight guy who's been married a long

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Speaker 1: time and you can shed some light. Okay, can we

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Speaker 1: need some help understanding?

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Speaker 2: Eighteen years impressive?

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Speaker 3: Got together twenty three or twenty four?

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable, So I cannot wait to hear. But I also

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Speaker 1: want to just say, in case our viewers might not

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Speaker 1: necessarily know viewers, listeners.

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Speaker 2: Whichever we call them guests, you were on and just

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Speaker 2: like that, I was.

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Speaker 1: And so part of the reason that I love Oliver

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Speaker 1: and want who to be here is because he played

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Speaker 1: a very very cool character on.

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Speaker 2: It, just like that he had.

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Speaker 1: I was not there, yeah, which I'm kind of glad

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Speaker 1: and kind of not.

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Speaker 3: I know, you know, to experience with an intimacy coordinator.

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Speaker 2: No way, And what did you think?

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Speaker 3: I loved it? Honestly, I really did. I really like

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Speaker 3: intimacy things really easy, Yeah, and really great. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: you know I was game for anything. You just tell

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Speaker 3: me what to do, you know, because I'm the guest

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Speaker 3: star here. Whenever you're comfortable with, I'm comfortable. It was

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Speaker 3: it was great. I've never done that. I'd had a

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Speaker 2: Right, just go in wacky right how it used to be.

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Speaker 3: It's all worked out. But to have it mapped out

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Speaker 2: Just because there were three of you there, it kind

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because the next episode is about threesomes

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Speaker 1: in the original real series Sex City of the original season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so what what a weird you know co instence and

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Speaker 1: it's still being you know played out. Thres a very

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Speaker 1: interesting thing, but ours is not about that. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: intimacy coordinators, I've had good end bad since this new

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Speaker 1: dawning of the intimacy coordinator.

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Speaker 2: That bad, I have had bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was one of my first times with one,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's part of it, is like you

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Speaker 1: just for us who've been around a long time, it

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Speaker 1: was just they'd say which little tiny thing would you

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Speaker 1: like to wear? And then you know, get in bed yes,

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Speaker 2: The extra crew.

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Speaker 1: And that was about it, you know, and hopefully you

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Speaker 1: were in tune with your co star. That's what it

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Speaker 1: both sides, men and women, right, So it was about that.

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Speaker 1: But I did this indie and it was a very

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Speaker 3: Mean, all the spontaneity out of it.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I wanted to kiss this person. No, no, no

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Speaker 2: And it all worked out.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that we have learned with and just

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Speaker 1: And I'll watch the monitors and make sure that's not happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great. I mean she was, okay, how

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Speaker 3: And and you know, I made a move and Soda

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Speaker 2: I think that was the right way to go. I

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Speaker 1: Also, Michael Patrick has a lot of ideas. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean I've learned, I've learned my lessons

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Speaker 2: Going to be comfortable so it can be great. But

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Speaker 1: And the thing that I really love, I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: So my history with the show is that everyone talked

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Speaker 3: You know, it was a show for women, honestly, and

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Speaker 3: And you know, so I never really got into watching

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, it was a different time.

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Speaker 3: It was a different time. He was waiting every week

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Speaker 3: I will say in watching this episode last night, uh,

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Speaker 3: it's just a pure reflection that we haven't ever seen

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Speaker 1: It's funny to think about because it's now, I feel like,

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Speaker 2: No, no, not at all.

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Speaker 3: So it was that and it was so good.

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Speaker 3: I was with my wife watching last night and I

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Speaker 1: I know for sure it gets better because in my mind,

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Speaker 1: as I was telling you, I always thought that the

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Speaker 2: We didn't know what we were doing. We were all

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Speaker 1: I remember Darren saying to us at different times, like,

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Speaker 1: He was like, get his hands all agitated.

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Speaker 2: And we'd be like, uh, but are you is there

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Speaker 1: And then sometimes he'd come down from upstairs. We were

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Speaker 2: I mean, Charlotte does some stuff that literally I had

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Speaker 2: Back then that part was so thrilling that I think

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Speaker 1: So when I talk to each everyone, you know, they

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Speaker 1: Like just because to me, I would feel that they

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Speaker 3: Well, so here's the show specifically, Yes, he said he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lie lie there. Okay, take that away

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Speaker 3: He's like, oh, hey, maybe a little uncomfortable, but hey,

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Speaker 3: this is Bonnie or whatever her name is ew But

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with you, but emotionally it would really

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Speaker 2: But like, I completely relate to that.

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Speaker 1: She's like, maybe you know when he said I missed you, babe,

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Speaker 3: He's a manipulative Yeah, but maybe he Do you think

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Like I'm how do I know what? I don't know

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you spent like.

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Speaker 3: Oh? God, that just depends so much on the experience

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Speaker 2: Are what if it was amazing? Well, for her she

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Speaker 3: I would definitely when you're going down the path and

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Speaker 3: I'm not putting any pressure on you, but I admit this.

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Speaker 3: Of course. Yes, wait, I wait too, you know. I

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Speaker 3: All three amazing. I never said I love you first.

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Speaker 3: I made them say it because I was too scared.

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Speaker 3: I was too scared. I didn't want to get rejected.

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Speaker 3: I was too worried.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you love me? And they're like I love you,

440
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 3: and like good.

441
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 2: Not only would you not say it first, you would

442
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 2: write them first.

443
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 1: Woah, well, good for them, Okay, good for this.

444
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 2: Too scared, but that's kind of adorable. I used adorable

445
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 2: as a way to get or needed yeah.

446
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 3: Or needed right because I wanted to say it, but

447
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 3: I didn't say it, and like, oh, that's so cute,

448
00:20:49,040 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 3: thank you, and then I'm gone.

449
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this about Big, because you're

450
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: a guy, and maybe you can understand this better than me.

451
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 1: Because I look back on it, and again, I think

452
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: at the time these thoughts never entered my mind.

453
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: I was pro Big, and I just think that's because

454
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: we were used to this stuff, do you know what

455
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: I mean?

456
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: Like aloof confusing men were completely normal, right, you know, right,

457
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: and we just had to figure out how to be

458
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: with it, right, Like we had to adjust, yeah, you know,

459
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: which is what I see Carrie doing.

460
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: Right, Like, but she does decide to tell them again.

461
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: Oh sh as we know she will do that for years.

462
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 3: Yes, but I also think that if he had a wife,

463
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 3: or if he was in a real committed relationship with

464
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 3: someone else, you know that she would never do that.

465
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's confusing.

466
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: It's not clearly no, right because like even the thing

467
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,479
Speaker 1: that I think is so interesting performance wise is so

468
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: and obviously we're skipping over many things, but the thing

469
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 1: that it's interesting to look at the beginning. Then he

470
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: calls her. Then she's spinning around trying to make sense

471
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: of what he said. Then she goes to this party

472
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: with Justin Throw, who we will get to in a second,

473
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: and then she says to him, you know, come meet

474
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: me here. He's putting his arms around me like she

475
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: does her own kind of like I'm going to play

476
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,479
Speaker 1: my game back right, which I totally understand. And then

477
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 1: he does come, but they're the wrong place she's in

478
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 1: the front, or she thinks she's in the front. He

479
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: thinks he's in the front, which is so beautifully written.

480
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: Right, and then he's like I was here. What do

481
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: you want?

482
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: Which is a lot like the last episode two which

483
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: we didn't make you rewatch. But he waits in front

484
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: of the bar and she thinks he's not there. Like

485
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: they have a lot of these kind of missed things,

486
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: which I think is so real to life, you know,

487
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: like it's so close that everyone's trying, but.

488
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 2: It seems you're so confused, like did they try? Did

489
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: they not try? He tried? Did they not try? Am

490
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: I trying? Am I doing all the work?

491
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 3: You know?

492
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: It's confusing but beautifully written. So he comes and he's like,

493
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: I was over here waiting in the dark. She's like

494
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm over here and then she basically looks at him

495
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: with those eyes, which I'm just like, how could anyone

496
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: say no to her?

497
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: Right? And she says I just want.

498
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: To stand still with you, and then he kind of

499
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: doesn't answer, but then he puts his arm around her

500
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: and they look up at the moon. So his actions

501
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: often are the thing that saved the day, where he

502
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: doesn't always say what she wants him to say. He's

503
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: not forthcoming right in a communicative way, right, but which

504
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: actions kind of say I want to be.

505
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: Here, yeah, which is very male right, you know right?

506
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: Do you read into that like he wishes he could

507
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: say more probably and he's scared or this is different

508
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: for him, or I mean what probably.

509
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: Different for him? Okay, this is this is how I

510
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: would analyze that without knowing a lot.

511
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean there's no a lot. This is the

512
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: thing when you're watching, it's like an enigma. He's just

513
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: a walking enigma, charming.

514
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 3: And nation charming, and you wonder is he doing the

515
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: same thing with other women?

516
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm pretty sure that he is, because they go

517
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: to that party which I totally left out, or like

518
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: this woman comes up and.

519
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: Kisses him and says, where's my mask?

520
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: And then he introduces Carrie to another friend who says, oh,

521
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: you must be in Nicole or whatever it is.

522
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 2: And she's like no, I'm just like run.

523
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of there's like a

524
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: million of them, where like how many women did you

525
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 3: sleep with her? Now?

526
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question.

527
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: Well the other thing too, is you know passport that

528
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: means they're flying out of the country exactly.

529
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: He goes, this is my friend that I traveled with,

530
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: and she goes internationally I assume.

531
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like irritating.

532
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when there's a spark and there's something there,

533
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 3: you want to follow through it because you are not

534
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: he is not committed to you. She's dating other women.

535
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that. From a legal standpoint, there's nothing.

536
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: I know, it's just emotionally hard.

537
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 3: I stand No, I'm talking from a pertical standpoint.

538
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: A practical standpoint.

539
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not Listen, he is not you mean, he's

540
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: not breaking any agreements. He's not get it, I get it.

541
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: It just feels emotionally.

542
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: Like scary.

543
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 3: Well that's why it's like, Look, I like you. I

544
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: know that you've got a passport girl, You've got this

545
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: other girl, you got this. I want to continue this,

546
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: but I can't. If this is kind of the life

547
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: that you're living and want to continue to living. If

548
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: you want to focus on me and commit to that,

549
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 3: then I'm down otherwise, like.

550
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: Any right, But she doesn't really say that, and I

551
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: mean that is the other interesting part is I look at.

552
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: Her, Carrie, and you know, I mean you, I don't know.

553
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: How much this is me reading into it, because of

554
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: course I know Candice, and I know the book and

555
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: the you know, she had been quite the party girl herself,

556
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: you know previously, right, and then I do think it's

557
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: a bit of a change for her, right, And he

558
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: had been quite big is still I guess, quite the

559
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: big man about town, right, and he was based on

560
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: a real person who was quite the man about town.

561
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: And then they're kind of in some ways doing this

562
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: what will turn out to be a very long dance

563
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: towards the being monogamous with each other, but it takes

564
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: a long time.

565
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: You No, yes, it's also the.

566
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: Show, right, And also I mean, if it was easy,

567
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: what would we do exactly?

568
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 3: It was amazing And then they.

569
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: Got together, sleep together, right right right right right.

570
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 3: That you put big in her together. You're kind of like, no,

571
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: I mean yes, but no.

572
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: I know, but that's what it's so hard to write

573
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: that dance over time, and the fact that they did

574
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: is kind of amazing. And when I look back, I mean, yes,

575
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 1: on some level, even just how they started, because they

576
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: would just see each other at bars and parties and

577
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: whatever and have that spark and then but not really

578
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: do anything.

579
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: And then I'd forgotten all.

580
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: Of that, Like they really were so skillful in a

581
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: way that I didn't realize at the time. But then

582
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: also I also look back and I think, oh my god,

583
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: he's so withholdang.

584
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: Even in the beginning, do you know what I mean?

585
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: Of course she hangs in there, God in lover.

586
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: That's what makes it great. And love is a rational

587
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: Love is weird, like you cannot plan it. You can't

588
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: do anything like you could. You have these feelings that

589
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: you may not want, but you do. So what do

590
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: you do with them? You just throw them away? Or

591
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: do you see?

592
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: This is the big question now because I feel like

593
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: now in social media, everyone's like, you know, control this,

594
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: don't do this. That person's a narcissist, don't do that.

595
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: You know, like there's a lot of efforts that control.

596
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: Yes, what can you really control these things?

597
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: Of course not?

598
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not possible, right, you know.

599
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: There's always sacrifice. You always have to be living with something,

600
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, in order to have a healthy

601
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: long term relationship, you're going to have to go through

602
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: some real ship, right, and it's work, and.

603
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: You have to work on yourself of course it's both great,

604
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: but some men they just do not want to work

605
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: on themselves.

606
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: I know it's hard. It's hard.

607
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: It is hard, no joke, no joke, is hard, but

608
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: it is interesting. It is because I don't think. I mean,

609
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: I have friends in relationships that are really good that

610
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: I admire so much, and then I also have friends

611
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: who aren't in relationships and who are just like confounded,

612
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I don't, I don't know, Yeah,

613
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't.

614
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: I guess it's just, you know, I have friends, you know. Well,

615
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 3: we're also at the at an age where it's it's

616
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: not easy. No, you know, it's like, oh, I want

617
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: love in my life. I don't want to die alone.

618
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: But here's but here's who I Here's who I am now,

619
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: and I have so much more to guy so to give, right,

620
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: But now I have to match it up with a

621
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: dude who's like on my lean.

622
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: It's a small, small window.

623
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: I know, not to scare anyone out there, but it

624
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: does get increasingly challenging. Yes, to fit someone into these parameters.

625
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: I think you just have to, you know, hope for it,

626
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: manifest it in one way or another, and then be

627
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: grateful for everything else.

628
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: In life, really absolutely, and.

629
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: You know understand that you cannot force these things, right,

630
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: and it's almost like I think.

631
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: The dating apps gave the illusion that you could force them.

632
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, and some people, I mean I have

633
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: friends that that has worked out for.

634
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: You totally.

635
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: Which brings me to Justin Threrow.

636
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Justin Threw is one of the I think

637
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: we only have two actors and this is talking from

638
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: the beginning of Sex and the City in nineteen ninety

639
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: seven to current and just like that times we've had

640
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: two actors played two different characters the show, which is

641
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: pretty cool, and Justin's one of them. And this first

642
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: one is such a shock, like I only vaguely remembered.

643
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Sarah, Jessica and Matthew were friends

644
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: with Justin from New York nest. You know, I didn't

645
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: know him, you know, I don't think I was there

646
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: when they filmed. And then I do remember when he

647
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: comes he comes back, he changes his facial hair and

648
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: he plays a writer. It's very different, and I think

649
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: it might have been the last season of Sex and

650
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: the City, but.

651
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: Here he plays a kind of.

652
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: Frightening character that we've all probably met which is like

653
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: the writer of the moment, the cool dude. And at

654
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: one point she says something to him like you know, oh,

655
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's talking about all the great things that

656
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: come from having a New York Times best selling book,

657
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: and she goes, oh, acting like an apple, and everyone's

658
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: thinking that you're great, and he's.

659
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I love you with me so funny. It's

660
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: so funny.

661
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: And he's so good at playing this like kind of

662
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: charming and kind of smarmy guy. And then later he

663
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: plays someone just fully opposite but also still a.

664
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: Writer, I think, which is also interesting.

665
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: He's just he's great.

666
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: I justin can do a lot.

667
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: I was telling you before we know he was. He's

668
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: doing a movie a TV show with my sister. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

669
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: called Running Point.

670
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch it. I haven't seen it yet.

671
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: I did not realize he was on there.

672
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: It's good. He plays the older brother, Kate's old got

673
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: her brother got it Yeah, excellent, And he's just so

674
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: good and he's so talented. Me got so good writer.

675
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing is that he was in

676
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: some ways known as a writer. Yeah.

677
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's why we kept casting Yeah, which I forgot.

678
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: I think he wrote Tropic Thunder. I mean, he's had

679
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: some cool stuff and he's funny as hell, but also

680
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: great dramatic actors.

681
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the leftovers, Oh my gosh, I know, incredible,

682
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: incredible left Sorry I just shouted into you guys.

683
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: Ears.

684
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: It was funny because he came on and again I

685
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: was watching with my wife with Aaron.

686
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: Like, is that he looks like he's twenty five?

687
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: So young? Right, wait a minute, and he was like, no, no, no,

688
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: it's not him, like I think him.

689
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: It's one.

690
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: I was like, it's his voice, but yeah, I had

691
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: to look it up.

692
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: No way, Wow, I mean this is nineteen ninety eight,

693
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: it's a long time ago. Yeah, but he's amazing. He's amazing, right,

694
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: let me look at my papers. I have to be like,

695
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: I know, it's a little scary and like there's a

696
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: part of me where I'm like, yeah, you should go

697
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: home with him, and I'm like no, and I guess

698
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like.

699
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: No, it's one of those things like I don't know,

700
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: would the sex be good with that guy?

701
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: You know, It's funny because.

702
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: He's almost so self important, like you only care about

703
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: his own.

704
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: I think probably yes, But I also think that he's justin.

705
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: So there is something that he's bringing that's not on

706
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: the page that makes you think maybe, oh yeah, that

707
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: character though forget you know what's on the page's it?

708
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that characters kind of like, No, he'd be good

709
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: in bed.

710
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: No I think he would. I'm not even gonna say

711
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: what I think he would do.

712
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah you do, yes, just say it.

713
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: He would come in like fifteen minutes and roll off

714
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: you and go to sleep, right or going back to

715
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: you would.

716
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: Push your head down, right, push.

717
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: The head down and then going and then all at

718
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: the table you're talking about going down on the you know,

719
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: going down, Yeah, blowjobs. What was the line like, I

720
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: only do it to get it or something right?

721
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: Right?

722
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: Miranda said, I only give head to get head, which

723
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: is a good line.

724
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's great.

725
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: It's good line.

726
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 1: So but I don't even think he I don't even

727
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: know if that character would would get I don't think right,

728
00:32:59,120 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem.

729
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: Like a unless he he thinks he's so great at

730
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: it that he's going to show you.

731
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: I don't like that.

732
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: And it's not even for you. I don't almost for him.

733
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: To show you know what I mean women do not

734
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: like that. No, that's my personal feeling. What you can

735
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: tell when someone's doing it in a performative type of way.

736
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm saying.

737
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: Now, I remember my story I was telling when I

738
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: was talking about Aaron and this and we're having great sex, right,

739
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: tell me just just generally. I was leading up to

740
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: something that I forgot, but now I remember. Tell me

741
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: because we had talked about something prior. I if she

742
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: is not in the mood, if she doesn't want to

743
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: and it's just doing it for charity, I'm out.

744
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: You can feel I.

745
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: Don't want it. If she comes in like babe, like, okay,

746
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: do you want I like have sex now, I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no,

747
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: this is not how I want to go about it.

748
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: There has to be connection there. There has to be

749
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: a desire or want.

750
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: This is why you're happily married, you know.

751
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: What I mean. There has to be Yeah, because I

752
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: don't want charity. I don't want charity sex gross. Yeah,

753
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: I want to go back to something really quickly.

754
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: Okay, then I'm going to go.

755
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: Back to okay really quickly. You said I love it,

756
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: you said fifteen, you said he comes in fifteen minutes.

757
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: Is that you imply that that's a short amount of time?

758
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: Can I address that for a second.

759
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: It was a random number, but get your point. It's

760
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: not that short, it's it's relatively long.

761
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: I guess, well, I'm.

762
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: Just saying it was you. The implication for you was

763
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. And then he's done and he's gone, and

764
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, oh Jesus, I better not sleep with Chris.

765
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: But I think I think, God Jesus, it's going to

766
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: be the headline just for this.

767
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: And then we'll get back into the show. But like,

768
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: I just think there's this miss all right.

769
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: Am I right now? Oh?

770
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: There's a misconception with men, and correct me if I'm wrong.

771
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not because of the fifteen minute thing that

772
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: women want to have sex for hours. There's a misconception

773
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 3: of that. And there's also a misconception that a woman

774
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 3: wants a very huge penis. Oh no, Jesus, right, Oh

775
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: this is this is not the tone of this.

776
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: No, no, it can't be. Okay, I'm just.

777
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: Saying, okay, okay, let's address both. Okay, so this is

778
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: what I think about it.

779
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: Now. I did try to talk to someone. I think

780
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: Christine Taylor.

781
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: Last week, there's this weird vibe of the sex scenes

782
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: in the whole first season where everyone is just like

783
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: madly pawing at each other and kissing like crazy, like

784
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: this weird heightened thing.

785
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like, why were we all doing that? Like

786
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: what is that about? You know what I'm saying, Like,

787
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 2: who's idea of good sex? Is that?

788
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: Like I watched Yeah kissing Cynthia, that dude, I was like,

789
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: what is he doing?

790
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: Percent Yes, it is a whole through line of this

791
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: weird frenzied ripping at the clothes And I do think

792
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: it was something that was happening in soap operas on

793
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: TV at that time. You know what I'm saying, Like

794
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of a TV thing. But I also can

795
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: remember films like that when sex used to be in films,

796
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, where they would like rip the clothes off,

797
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: which is so not realistic at all and to me,

798
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: not sexy.

799
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: Like what I'm getting to that animal?

800
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 3: I mean, you can have anal is.

801
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: Good, right, but starting slow is so nice And I

802
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: think like and I'm just we're here, I'm going to

803
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: go for it. The last person that I had any

804
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: kind of relationship with younger at one point. You know,

805
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of kissing in the beginning, and then

806
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: at one point he was like, yeah, that's too much kissing.

807
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: I was like, no, the kissings is really important, dude.

808
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

809
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: And then you know, he was young and not very

810
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: evolved or whatever, and he's like, no, I don't want

811
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: to kiss like that.

812
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: And I was like, could the fact that you even

813
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: say that?

814
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: I know. I was like, now it's going to be over.

815
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, because if I'm not going to get

816
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: the good kissing, yeah, what am I here for? Well?

817
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: I know. And it's funny you say that because with

818
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: my wife again for a millionaires, the kissing kind of

819
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: went away a little bit. Oh no, well, because I'm

820
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: not saying it's transactional sex in any way. But sometimes

821
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: you got kids, you got this.

822
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: I get it.

823
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: Of course, there's quickies, sure, but you know, you kind

824
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: of forget. Yeah, and then it's like you remind like, oh,

825
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: the kids makes out and you make out, and it's

826
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: it's so good.

827
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: Right, God, that's good that you felt that way. I'm glad.

828
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad so for me in terms of the fifteen

829
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: minutes thing situation and I'm only speaking for myself because

830
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: I really think it's important. I think our show tried

831
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: to show this, but I think people forget. You know,

832
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: there's different women who want different things and this is fine,

833
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: just like there's different men who want different things, right Yeah,

834
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: And you have to figure out the person that you're

835
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: with in whether you were into that, like with Charlotte

836
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: in this in this particular episode apparently, which I have forgotten,

837
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: Charlotte doesn't like to give blowjobs, which I think she

838
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: gets over, okay, because there's a scene.

839
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 3: I know. When I saw that, I'm like, oh man,

840
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: that's that's sort of a it's kind of extreme. I mean,

841
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that the guy pushing your head down, No,

842
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: that doesn't make it, but it is a it's a

843
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: bit of a deal killer. I mean, I mean, if

844
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: I was with a woman and I'm falling in love

845
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: and I do not give blowjobs, I hate it. I

846
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: don't want it. I'm like, because that's intimate and that's fun,

847
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 3: and I'm for sure, I'm like.

848
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: You, I get it, I get it, I get it.

849
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: I get it.

850
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: I'm going to marry you and grolled with you and

851
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 3: die with you without ever having a blowjob for sixty

852
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: eight years. That's a long time.

853
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: That is a very long time.

854
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: This is my feeling with it because I had not

855
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 1: remembered the storyline at all. Cynthia had remembered that when

856
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: that episode was happening, that Darren and Michael Patrick came

857
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: to us independently, each one of us and said, you know,

858
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: how do you guys feel about blowjobs? Because we're trying

859
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: to write this, but we realized that we're gay men

860
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: and you guys are straight women.

861
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: Can you share with that your thoughts? Right, I had

862
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: forgotten all of this.

863
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: She would have documented all this stuff stuff amazing. Yeah,

864
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: we were just incredible.

865
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: You know, it was very intense.

866
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: We didn't have that many days to shoot back then either,

867
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we were We didn't think

868
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: we would what we are.

869
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: I guess we all said are different things.

870
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: And I know that I didn't say that I didn't

871
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: like it, because I wouldn't really say that. I might

872
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: have said I don't like someone pushing my head down,

873
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: because definitely who likes that? Nobody as far as I know.

874
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: But I didn't remember that either. But I didn't also

875
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: remember that Charlotte has this whole thing and very like

876
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: kind of adorably and with some strength, really thinks that

877
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: he's going.

878
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: To be like, of course that's fine. No, blow jobs

879
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: is fine. Yeah, she's not important to me. Problem.

880
00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, sweet and cute, so sweet and cute.

881
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: I like that. I just don't like that.

882
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean what I think at the time, thinking back

883
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 1: on it and also thinking about you know, she's had

884
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: this huge development which all people do, right, which is

885
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: what's the joy of still getting to play her all

886
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: these many years later, and she's this incredible relationship with

887
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: Harry And there is a scene in and just like

888
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: that evolving a prosthetic with a blowjob that she is

889
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: one hundred percent willing and initiates and into.

890
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: So thank god she.

891
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: Got over whatever that was right, and I don't know

892
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: why we didn't deal with it.

893
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: It was a nice commentary though. It's super interesting that

894
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: so that I watched where I think Samantha' is like, oh,

895
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: it's I feel power right right.

896
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: No, it's super fascinating to think about the dynamics of

897
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: that and the dynamics and talking about it from the

898
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: female perspective, which I think is what hadn't been on

899
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: screen before and what people are surprised about is a

900
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: the openness, but be the fully female perspective, like we

901
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: don't even ask the dude, see him saying big is

902
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: an enigma and we're just trying to figure it out,

903
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: which is very much the female experience, right, And then

904
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: Charlotte's like, well, I just don't like it. And when

905
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: they have that scene at the you know, the restaurant,

906
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: and Carrie's like, don't do it if you don't like it.

907
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's so cute.

908
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: It's so cute but also so important because just the

909
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: idea of being able to not do something that all

910
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: the men want you to do is kind of.

911
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: Revolutionary, of course, of course.

912
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: But I mean my thought, and I don't know what

913
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: I thought at the time. I thought now would be

914
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: like what trauma did Charlotte have?

915
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: Did Charlotte? I mean, maybe it was all the men

916
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: pushing her head.

917
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: Down, Like if that's the general get go, which I

918
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: do think. I mean, I probably couldn't count the number

919
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: of men in my twenties that pushed my head down.

920
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: Probably couldn't count up how many that would be.

921
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: It would probably be everyone that I was ever involved

922
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: with in my twenties.

923
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 2: You know, which is really sad.

924
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: No, I know, like Kerry's supposed to like that thing

925
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: kind of crazy.

926
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: I know it is kind of crazy, but it's also

927
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: so amazing now that we can even say that that's crazy.

928
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: Mhm