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Speaker 1: And we don't have a minute to spare. Shout out

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Speaker 1: famously started as a YouTube channel. She's my favorite YouTube

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Speaker 1: think I told Bowen about her must be like a

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Speaker 3: I have stopped saying that out right. I've stopped being

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Speaker 3: because there are a million billion people in the world,

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Speaker 1: Broadwyn is back, y'all that the Nameame Bronwyn is going

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Speaker 1: be white, fair and blessed. Oh my god, Branwen Bronwen

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Speaker 1: that you're parroting this image as a queer Asian man

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she and Elan are both named Innimantia Khaliff's lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: third graders like literally on a ride to heaven and

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Speaker 1: hell at the same time writing this show. But the

427
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: thing is, like, it is really good at being that, yeah,

428
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: and that is a form of entertainment. So just because

429
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Speaker 1: you're not like crying real here is and racked with

430
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: like emotions after watching something in a real, like grounded

431
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: way does not mean that it's not worth its salt.

432
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: And I feel like to hold against it its tone

433
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: and its genre is a little misogynist to me if

434
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Speaker 1: we're really gonna argue about like what it is at the.

435
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: Base to write it off as like fluffy or pulpy, Yeah,

436
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 3: feel like I get like people looking at.

437
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: It and being like, oh, everyone from the show is nominated. Yeah,

438
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: like it wasn't a particularly competitive television Emmy year, you

439
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that's why I got in there.

440
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: Shut up, that's not literally not I'm sure I'm kidding,

441
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: but I will say, like, and I've on the record

442
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: about this. Anytime it feels like three or four shows

443
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: are nominated for everything, it doesn't mean those things were

444
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: that much better than everything else. It means the campaigns worked,

445
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: it means the money talked, and it means that probably

446
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: wasn't that competitive of a year. And also like those

447
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: things are probably quality, you know what I mean.

448
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: And we're here to say that the Morning Show is quality.

449
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 3: Like I read I read this piece and I was like, oh,

450
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 3: but it's also just like it is like the biggest

451
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: drama on television right now besides like Showgun and whatever.

452
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Showgun. I think Showgun is taking everything. Showgun

453
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: is taking everything. But we're saying but like just let it.

454
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Speaker 1: Let Morning Show, have have the w and also like

455
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: for the reasons that everyone is saying it's not gonna win,

456
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, like because people have

457
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: already like there's like this like weird kick up about

458
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: like and I think we do contribute to it, because

459
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: I get on here and I say, it's the most

460
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: insane show ever. Wettribute to it. We contribute to it

461
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: in the right way, and we have it a good

462
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: authority that the people at Apple TV love it. All

463
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Speaker 1: I know is that there's no notes from i'd. I

464
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: haven't heard anyone be like, wow, you guys are really

465
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: rough on that show. No, it's very clearly we if

466
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: it's show enough. Actually, you know what, I hope it wins,

467
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: scream you know. I've wanted an Emmy and Jennifer Amiston's

468
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: hands for that part for a very long time. Of course,

469
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Speaker 1: did you have Winter Friends? No, she did win for Friends.

470
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Speaker 1: She went when Oh yeah, she did win for Friends.

471
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: The Emmy winners from Friends are Jennifer Aniston and Lisa Kudro.

472
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: Never none of the guys, none of the guys ever

473
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Speaker 1: won an Emmy for Friends. Nominations came, but they did

474
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Speaker 1: not get the w I would say that the most

475
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: underrated person on that show is Coordinay definitely, Monica holds

476
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: the center. It's not Rachel, it's Monica. It's her house.

477
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Speaker 1: Four four I want them to know it was me. Yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: that was four. I it's always four. It's always four,

479
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Speaker 1: number five, it's sometimes five, it's always four. Is it

480
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Speaker 1: a good day when it's five? The coaching number nineteen?

481
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Speaker 1: When not sneezes it's times five is five, but it's

482
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Speaker 1: always always. Is it a good Is it lucky if

483
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Speaker 1: you get to five it a lucky day? Or at

484
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: that point? Oh? So this is bizarre, But my grandmother

485
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: and I share that when we get full, like when

486
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: we've eaten enough, we sneeze four times.

487
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Speaker 3: I just started acupuncture, and I think this is something

488
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 3: that you can be addressed. Yes, well, can you say

489
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Speaker 3: if it's gonna address it by making me stop sneezing.

490
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: I don't want that because I love to sneeze more

491
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Speaker 3: than I love to come, and I love to come.

492
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Speaker 1: And I love to come.

493
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Speaker 3: What is coming if not sneezing from your dick, from

494
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 3: the bottom, from your deck, from your fanny, from your fanny?

495
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Speaker 3: What is shitting if not sneezing from your eyth that's

496
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Speaker 3: from one division.

497
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Speaker 1: Wait, shall we discuss the Agatha trailers? Yes, sure, they

498
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: look pretty fun. They look pretty fun. I'm excited. Yes,

499
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: So she's a made it Patty Lapone little guy from

500
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: heart Stopper or whatever. Joe Locke, Joe Locke, that is

501
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: a show that you will never hear us talking about

502
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: because we are simply not in the right demo that

503
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: Heart Stopper. Yeah, I've tried so many times at that show,

504
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I'm not. I need to accept

505
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: that this is not made for me, and that's okay. Yeah,

506
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're having strife about it. No, it's

507
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: not strife.

508
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: It's just I think everyone, especially maybe people our age,

509
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: feel this like global sense of having to consume everything

510
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: because we're like, I don't know, maybe we feel like

511
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: we're right in the middle and we're a bridge between

512
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: generations and so therefore we should like look at both

513
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: sides or whatever.

514
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: Like. But I think maybe I'm getting to.

515
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: The age now as a thirty three year old man

516
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: where I'm like, oh, this high school drama d about

517
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: two gay guys or whatever, or try a bunch of

518
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: queer is like not for some reason, it's not for me,

519
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: and that's okay, But there was a time when it

520
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: was and I would have loved this if I was

521
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: half my age, but unfortunately I'm double that age.

522
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Speaker 1: Part of me feels like, you know, that question of like, oh,

523
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: I wish that this were around when I was younger.

524
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely true. Like I think had I

525
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Speaker 1: been in high school and I saw like love Simon,

526
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: I think I would have been like encouraged because I

527
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: would have been I would have seen my peers go

528
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: see that movie, et cetera. I'm really I Ever, when

529
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: that movie came out and like, you know, like all

530
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: the coolest people in America had things to say about

531
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 1: like why it was problematic and stuff, I'm like, it's

532
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: kind of missing the point because like it's hard stopper

533
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: at that time, like it's just not for you, it's

534
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: for like it's honestly frustraight people to literally be like, hey,

535
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm an ally and supporting him. I'm Jennifer Gardner. I

536
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: can understand in a very basic way what's happening here.

537
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: This kid is stressed out because he feels like can't

538
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: be himself, et cetera. Whatever. It doesn't have to speak

539
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: for everyone. It's it was just like a little you know,

540
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: the door was a jar at that moment. But sometimes

541
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: I think, like going back to when I was that

542
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: age and I would just like watch like high school

543
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: musical and high school musical too, and it was just

544
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: like these these straight people. I remember like feeling like

545
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: there was like a I had like a melancholy while

546
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I watched it the whole time, like a little gay kid. Yeah,

547
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: being like, oh, I'm so I love watching this, but

548
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: it's just not for me. And I don't know what

549
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: this sensation is, but I wouldn't replace that melancholy in

550
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: my life, Like I kind of it's a yeah, it's

551
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: not that I liked not having that representation, because that's

552
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: not true. But there's something about like me now where

553
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm happy that I didn't have those types of things

554
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: that not happy, but like I can appreciate not having

555
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: them then because I know it's important now. Yeah, you

556
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's it's like the absence of

557
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: those things from when we we're younger, aids and like

558
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: helps the helps citation now, yeah, because you can point

559
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: to that moment as like oh, I want to be

560
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: able to right from this kind of pathos or whatever.

561
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: But also you're thinking, like I know how to cope

562
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: with this feeling from now on. And so it's like

563
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: it's the reason why we're having this conversation. Now we're like, oh,

564
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: that's not for us, or like we like we are

565
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: outside of the circle for this, and that's okay, Like

566
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: there's we're gonna we're gonna survive that we're not. There's

567
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: no like dire limbic brain evolutionary need for us to

568
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: be in the in that minx. Yeah, you know. Yeah,

569
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: it's funny, like I think back and sometimes I wonder like,

570
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Speaker 1: am I going to be part of a generation that

571
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Speaker 1: looks back and is resentful of the fact, that looks

572
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: down at the younger generation and is resentful about the

573
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: opportunities they have? And because I could sense that sometimes

574
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: from the generation up and yeah and those above us,

575
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: that there's like sometimes it's like when a new generation

576
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: has it easier based on whatever minority you occupy or

577
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're facing, there's the opportunity to

578
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: be a little resentful of that upcoming generation because it

579
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: upset that you didn't have that, And I guess, like

580
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: the way that I'm looking at things like this now

581
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: is I don't regret the piece of me that formed

582
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: emotionally when I felt like I didn't have those things,

583
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: And it makes me really happy for like the new

584
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: generation that has this representation and has these shows to

585
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: look forward to. Almost because of the fact that I

586
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: like the like almost grief I had about like not

587
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: having that or like that's what it ended up turning into,

588
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: I think has made me the type of person and

589
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: the type of artists and the type of creator I

590
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: am right now. So it's not a thing where I'm

591
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: looking back and being like I wish I had been

592
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: able to see two high school boys kiss on a

593
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: Ferris wheel, right, and it's like, I'm really happy that's

594
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: there now. I don't regret not having that because I

595
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: think it actually made me who I am to feel

596
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: like there was a missing thing in culture that was that,

597
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not claiming to occupy the space where that

598
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 1: is represented now. What I'm saying is I like what

599
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: it did for me as a person ultimately to be

600
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: lacking that at the time, You're not disoriented in that

601
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: place if you feel that for now, because you will

602
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: feel that way throughout your whole life of being like,

603
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: oh I wish that was for me. Like am I

604
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: making sense? Well, it's like in high school, like when

605
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: you're upset the whole time because all your straight friends

606
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: have girlfriends and boyfriends and you don't you know what

607
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't want to go back and have

608
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: a maybe I would, or I guess what I'm saying

609
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: is it's like I don't regret the way that things

610
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: need turned out for some reason, this is making me

611
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: think about First of all, that is like such a

612
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: cogent thing that you're saying, thanks, just thinking about like

613
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: the way we might become an older generation that like

614
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: looks at a younger one and is resentful. Like it's

615
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: making me think about not that I'm bringing this up

616
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: and like she warning this in, but like this interview

617
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: magazine thing with Chaparone came out where she and I talked,

618
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: and then someone was talking to me about it and

619
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: saying like it was just so nice to see like

620
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: someone of like a differently queer microgeneration like reach out

621
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: and like give her like you know, talk to her

622
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: and give her a hug and not make it feel transaction.

623
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, were things and then and then.

624
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: I was like yeah, because I guess I was like,

625
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: is this how like older gay men, like gay men

626
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: who were older than Gaga when she was first starting out,

627
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: Like is this how they felt towards her? Or I

628
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: thought were they a little too wrapped up in the

629
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: Madonna of it all? Like were they trying to like

630
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: be loyal to Madonna? And therefore, like maybe Gaga did

631
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: not feel that same sense of like although what am

632
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: I saying? Of course she did, but like maybe she

633
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: she and someone did not feel that same sense of

634
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: like communal protection around her the way that like like

635
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: I just can't imagine Gaga feeling resentful towards Chapel and

636
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: the way that like Madonna definitely was towards Gaga.

637
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Speaker 1: Well, it's no longer cool to have that mentality. Yeah, yeah,

638
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: it's that. And also we are in a culture now

639
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: where it would be incredibly like a huge alarm bell

640
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: and red flag if Lady Gaga looked down at Chapelone

641
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: and was like fuck yeah in the way that. And

642
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: also we're not in a We're not necessarily or they're

643
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: maybe not feeling as much the need to give into

644
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: the thing the media does of pitting women against yeah,

645
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: other women and older women against younger women, whatever, women

646
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: against women in general. Like that's it. We've called that

647
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: out to such an extent right now that if Lady

648
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: Gaga were to be like Chapel roones like this and

649
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: this is not happening, but like whatever, copying me or

650
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: like you know in my image, et cetera, in the

651
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: way that Madonna would hint, right but which is not

652
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: again not happening, it would be received less than badly. Definitely,

653
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: it would go through the floor. And I also wanted

654
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: to say about that interview piece, like I was reading

655
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: it and I was like, Bowen was the perfect person

656
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: to do this, because you're both queer but occupy different

657
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: sub sects of what that means. But also, I think

658
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: the thing that's happening with Chapel and it almost feels

659
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: like weird to even comment on it in the wake

660
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: of having the knowledge about this, but this thing that

661
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: is happening with her, about the very sudden, very accelerated

662
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: rise to superstardom, I think that you actually can speak

663
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: to that, you like accelerated SNL in a very very

664
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: very fast way. I mean, you were featured cast member,

665
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: like who occupied like a space on that show pretty

666
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: immediately and were nominated for an Emmy, the first ever

667
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: to feature cast member to be nominated for an Emmy.

668
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: And also, like we talked about a few weeks ago,

669
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: like you serve a purpose on that show as like

670
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: a representative for it and a star of it. And

671
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: I think that happened like relatively quickly. So No, it

672
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: wasn't six weeks of like chapel releases like like good

673
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: Luck Babe, and then it's like all of a sudden whatever.

674
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: But I thought that what was so compelling about your

675
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: conversation was that you were giving her advice, maybe without

676
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: even thinking about that, but in sharing your experience and

677
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: in hearing her, it felt like these are two people

678
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: that lived a similar type of thing, and that's why

679
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: it's compelling to see them have this conversation, especially in

680
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: the wake of everything she's going through, which is her

681
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: discomfort with her level of notoriety. So quickly, Yeah, because

682
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: you were that was something that you experienced, yes, and

683
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: that was something I struggled with. It was a really

684
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: nice conversation. We obviously root for her. They did, and

685
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: I have to say again, edit out the part where

686
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: I said my best friend Matt on the car. I know,

687
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: but still I was like a rature of lust culture.

688
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: Should we tell the story of that night? What?

689
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: No, No, we can't tell this of that night.

690
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm rereah. We were. I was depressed, Bowen was depressed.

691
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: We were in different I was in London. You were

692
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: in La. You were in London. I was in La.

693
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: I had just seen chapeerone and I had just seen

694
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: Chaperone at the Fonda, and I had been taking for

695
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: an emotional ride. I texted Bone, Oh my god, Chapelone

696
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: is the new girl. You have to get into her,

697
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: like I'm telling you, this is a four alarm thing.

698
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: Like she's the next Lady Gaga, I said her. I

699
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: text Bowen and Bowen ignored my text and posted a

700
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: picture of him and Ariano. Mattic me arian omatic. Also

701
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: it was like four am. I was in a car

702
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: on this on the way to Wicked, to the Wicked set.

703
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: I was so delirious from the travel and the SNL

704
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: week the week before, and like just so discombobulated in

705
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: a way, in a degree that was dissociative and I

706
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: had I had a full breakdown later on that summer,

707
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: and so Matt like I was just getting home from

708
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: like a bender, I would say on one because I

709
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: saw Chapel and like this is wow. You were so like,

710
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, like Ryle drunk, drunk. I was wasted,

711
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: probably doing other things. And I remember I had been

712
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: so lit up from Chapel. I went out and who

713
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: and then whatever the fuck happened, I think I met

714
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: up with a couple friends and I came home and

715
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: I had texted my one and he was he had

716
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: not responded, but he did post a picture of him

717
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: in Ariano Maddox and I was just like, and I

718
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: remember I texted you. I was like, how come you

719
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: get posted a picture of Ariontomatics and you and you

720
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: can't even respond to my text about Chapel. Roan and

721
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: bowm was just like I am depressed, period. And I

722
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm depressed too, and we just cut

723
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: and then and then I were screaming fight on History.

724
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: And then this phone call transferred from the car that

725
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: dropped me off at base camp on Wicked to my trailer.

726
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: The PA's were about to ask me for my breakfast order.

727
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: But before they could knock on my door, they absolutely

728
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: heard me scream at the top of my lungs. We

729
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: were screaming at each other. We were screaming at each other.

730
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: This was a this was it was really bad. This

731
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: was the still lag might depths of our friendship. Honestly,

732
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: this was a bad moment of the friendship. No, can

733
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: I say how many fights have we had like that

734
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: in our entire friendship? Free? Yeah? Four? But if you

735
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: know what we always do, let's say ninety percent of

736
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: the time it resolves in that same conversation of course,

737
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: Like would you say that that one did? Yes? It

738
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: literally did, because remember I started sobbing and I was like,

739
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: this is about other things. I was like, I'm so

740
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: sorry and I don't right and both of us were like,

741
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: sob come on. Yeah. I think we were all like,

742
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: what is what's happening? Like this is something like beyond

743
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: our control. But it was. It's so funny the origin

744
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: the the seed crystal of that the powder keg was

745
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: Chapel Road. It literally was atomatics and Ari automatics. It's

746
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: these two women talk about a fucking time capsule. It

747
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: was like it was the night I just I really

748
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: discovered Chapel Roon and I went to Bowen and I

749
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: was just like, you know what it was. I was

750
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: so positive you would love her, of course, and the

751
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: only concern I had was that you do that. And also,

752
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: I'll just say vulnerable thing for me, I am very

753
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: sensitive to when I send a text. I'm gonna say,

754
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: I will say someone, but I will say you a text,

755
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: and then like there's response on group chats or like

756
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: you posting elsewhere. It just it it drives me crazy

757
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm being ignored and then I

758
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: think you're mad at me, and I'm very sensitive to that.

759
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: And so that's what it was. And also me being

760
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: that drunk, but you were and you were going through

761
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: so much, and I just we were both going through it.

762
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: We both were, but I in that moment, you know,

763
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: Achilles Heel, I think I just got in my feelings

764
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: and made it a little about something about me and

765
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: about something else, and I immediately broke the fuck down

766
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: because I really what I was doing. And I think

767
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: it's like one of those times when it's like when

768
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: you get so upset or you get so angry and

769
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: you get so hurt and you realize it's like you're

770
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: aware of the fact that like, oh, I'm not doing well.

771
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: It's not about this, I'm just not doing well. It's

772
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: such a bad feeling when that kind of realization sets

773
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: in and you're like, oh, fuck, I am not okay.

774
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: And I was out of a way out of pocket,

775
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: way out of pocket.

776
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: Well, there were just substances involved on your end, and

777
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 3: there was sleep deprivation involved on my end. Like, yeah,

778
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: it was not a worst mix.

779
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say the versions of us that are

780
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: not great collided. Oh God, anyway, but that is that

781
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: is the first time I said to bow in Chapel

782
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: roone and that, yeah, I showed you a horse that

783
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna love. I'm like, actly, I'm throwing

784
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: my head back. Yeah, And it probably did last like

785
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: what fifteen sixteen minutes. But when I tell you sometimes,

786
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: like maybe it's like four or five times in my

787
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: life I have heard this sound come out of my body,

788
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: which is like I've never heard Baar scream, to the

789
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: point where I was like, oh, like I am I

790
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: screwed back at you kind of in the same timber

791
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: you did. You did.

792
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 3: It did not feel good. I'm a screamer. I when

793
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 3: I scream, I fucking scream.

794
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like I've gotten into arguments with you

795
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: like this, Like again once enough the Bluest Moon, Sudie

796
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: and Night years ago got into it on this It

797
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: always happens on the street really late at night, and

798
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: we got into it on the street in front of

799
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: our parsel a moment in such an insane, like rabid way.

800
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: I would say, this is very healthy. No one needs

801
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: to be alarmed, Like this is just something that like friends,

802
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: friends do, like it's it's blood letting. It's like emotional

803
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: blood letting. And this is just depending on the friendship.

804
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: This this is helpful keep going well. I mean literally,

805
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: it only happens with people that you really care about,

806
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: because I think the only other person that I've gotten

807
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: like that with is my father, Like in high school,

808
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: that sort of disconnect between father and son, Like was

809
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: the last time I can remember being a that upset.

810
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: But it was it was again about a million about

811
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: well not a million other things, about one big other thing, sure.

812
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 3: But then a million other things in its orbit within that. Yes, yeah, wow,

813
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: that's the birth story of chapelone.

814
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: I think I was also incredibly jealous that you had

815
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: a picture with Ariano. At the time, I was like, oh,

816
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: so you can post a picture with Arionomatics it cancer Sandrasano.

817
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: My text, I was like, I want a picture with Orionomatics,

818
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: and then I just I went off the deep end.

819
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: We're such gay guys.

820
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 4: Oh ultimately, yeah, ultimately yeah.

821
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: Wait, speaking of Gaga, we just kind of brush. We

822
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: need to talk about Die with a Smile. I love

823
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: Die with a Smile. It is my new favorite music

824
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: is a bad music? Is so you say? Now? In

825
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: August twenty music has been really ripping and hello this weekend? Okay,

826
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: what's going on there? Is? There's so much Lisa has

827
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: a new song with Rosilia. Oh yeah, Flow has a

828
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: new EP, has a new single from their Epea shows,

829
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: the new Tanasha EP Quantum maybe incredible note book boys

830
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: across that line.

831
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with Yeah, Tanash is it. We haven't talked

832
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: about Addison Ray. We haven't talked about Die Pepsi Forever

833
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: by Charlie Bliss. Amazing new album by Charlie Bliss. If

834
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: you don't know them, wonderful pop pump band. They're going

835
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: on tour soon. And just I don't know, I'm just

836
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: like excited. Oh my god, there's a new girl, Zolita.

837
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: Everyone should listen to. You are gonna fucking love this

838
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: low lady with the z Queen of Hearts.

839
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: It's like it's an EP album eight track, so it's

840
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: like in that right in that middle zone, that liminal space.

841
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: But she's got like dance pop, some country pops moments.

842
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: You are gonna fucking love her all over again. All

843
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: Girls go to Heaven, small town scandal, what if I mean?

844
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: So good?

845
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, that's my every episode in the year twenty

846
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: twenty four of Louts culture is going to be about music, period.

847
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: Buckle up, strap yourself in wait.

848
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: I haven't even sat on the pod yet, but the

849
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: song Katie Gavin Katie I Love After Serious and it

850
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: hit me hard of when I finally listened to it

851
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: because I get it, and like I texted Katie and

852
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I think that we share a heart

853
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: and a brain because she just always says the thing.

854
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's with Muna and now her solo stuff,

855
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: like obviously I'm the biggest Moonistan, but like I'm just

856
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: so excited for her new music. I'm so excited for it.

857
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said time and time again, I think

858
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: that she as a vocalist and a writer, like is

859
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: one of our generation's greats. To use the word generation

860
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: for the millionth time today, just like how there's a

861
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: million people out there in the world. But I love her.

862
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: I love her, I love her.

863
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: She's in casual drug use the new song from the album.

864
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: But she, I mean, she was so generous with us

865
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: after Culture Award. She sent us the full album. The

866
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: full album is incredible.

867
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: It's just people are gonna I mean, it's not even

868
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: like people, how could you ever be surprised? Like she's brilliant,

869
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: Like they're so great and okay to just to speak

870
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: about the Addison ray of it all. So I had

871
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: a tug of war in my mind. I had a

872
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: war in my mim mind, as Lana would say. But

873
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm so happy I just decided to ride and really

874
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: have into this song because wow, it's so much fun

875
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: and it's so great. The production of her music is

876
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: sometimes like, well, I guess it has it kind of

877
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: has to be like but it's ten No, I don't

878
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: think she doesn't know the first one of the number

879
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: one things I like about Addison Ray in this recording

880
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: artist era is how self aware of the fact, yeah

881
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: she is that, like, yeah, she's Addison Ray. She's doing

882
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: this thing. She had a very clear reference here, and

883
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: it's Lama Deel Ray and she's ahead of it and

884
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: really aware of it. And I think that's what makes

885
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: the song and the music video so strong, is the

886
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: fact that it gets to like riff on Lana actively

887
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: because it's aware at the front, and it's all complimentary

888
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: and revel and like is in reverence, and the song's

889
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: also fucking fun.

890
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: What do you make of the song originally being called

891
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: back Seat but then miss Charlie XCX goes change it

892
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: to die Pepsi.

893
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think Charlie XCX knows.

894
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: I think it's actually really coaching number thirty. Charlie xxx

895
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: knows she was exactly right. I think dietpepsi is so

896
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: much like more to use my best friend's word, serrated. Oh,

897
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: I think it pops more than vaccine. Diet pepsi makes you.

898
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you're never gonna forget that it's dietpepsi because

899
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: it's so it's like fringe. Diet pepsi is fucking fringe. Well,

900
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: diepepsi is like fringe. Culture is eternal, is an eternal

901
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: thing in the culture that has always been there, will

902
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: always be there. And it's one of those things that

903
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: makes you go oh yeah. And then for this girl

904
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: to write a song about it that is not really

905
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: about diet pepsi in the end, not at all, is

906
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: kind of incredible. But we're such diet coke girlies, speaking

907
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: of which it's so good. We need to pay respects

908
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 1: as the internet in the world already has to Delta

909
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: work to forget it.

910
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: To the diet Coke. I've watched it five times. It

911
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 3: is the pinnacle. Is a moment in culture.

912
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: It is a moment in culture. We might have to

913
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: have a new list because Delta Works Diet Coke Challenge

914
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: is a moment in culture. Watch it if you haven't,

915
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: if you have watched it again, it is. It's the

916
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: most impressive thing. It is us scream.

917
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 3: I remember watching it the first time and going, oh

918
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: my god, that's amazing. And I think, for some reason,

919
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: I thought that she was told what the five sources

920
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: of die coke were to begin with, and she she

921
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 3: was well, she was, but she wasn't because at one point,

922
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: when she's drinking the Burger King diet coke, she goes, ooh,

923
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: maybe this is from Panera. So I think I think

924
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: she she went in knowing that they got her die

925
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 3: cokes from places that she frequents, that it was more

926
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: than five. And so therefore the extra layer of challenge

927
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: in this is that it wasn't just like a oh,

928
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: let me just like do a one to one sort

929
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: of like from the five that I know in my head.

930
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: It was like from all the places that and this

931
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: is someone who goes and is a fast food afficionado, connoisseur,

932
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: Connasu's like knows like there's there's a big range of

933
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 3: sources of diet coke for her, and she for her

934
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: to willow down to those five incredible.

935
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: Can I tell you the only place? So here's a reveal.

936
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of a reveal it is,

937
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: but I used to eat fast food in my twenties.

938
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say fat it at least three four times

939
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: a week. At least it was like that it was

940
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: God like the metabolism was doing all the work because

941
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: the forces of evil aka my brain were at play,

942
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: and my instinct was to eat this all the time.

943
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: So and it's to the point and I don't know

944
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: how you feel about this outside of del taco, which

945
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't frequent. I could have done that. I could

946
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: have done the diet coke challenge and every so she's

947
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: walking through why she knows that these cokes are certain.

948
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: Her palate is so refined. I think I could have

949
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: been right there with her, because every single thing she said,

950
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: I was like, Yes, McDonald's soda machines are a little

951
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: bit more carbonated. Yes, the burger. There is a lack

952
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: of pride in the presentation when it comes to the soda.

953
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: It is always a little flat, and there's a little

954
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: bit too much sweetness in it, like a little bit

955
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: too much, like of syrup. It's like a little too much.

956
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: In terms of bottles and cans, there is a huge

957
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: difference to the point where you're like, why the fuck

958
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: are we drinking out of plastic bottles at all? We

959
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: could taste the difference. The only difference is the fact

960
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: that there's plastic in the shit that you're drinking. So

961
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: do not drink out of a plastic bottle, especially if

962
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: can confirm you taste the plastic, you probably have the

963
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: same anatomical tongue as Delta work. Where she's tasting the plastic,

964
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: you're drinking the micro absolutely, but as she's walking through it.

965
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: And then she started to talk about the butt ice.

966
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: But maybe the butt ice is so fucking real, and

967
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: the butt ice is in those like those fast food

968
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: joints that don't take private presentation. It's one. I think

969
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: I could have gotten all of them, but Del Taco

970
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: being first would have thrown me because I don't do

971
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: Del Tacosa my culture.

972
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: She had a whole thing about like, look, they have

973
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 3: my name in the title, or my name and the

974
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 3: name Delta. Go anyway, I'm telling you, I think I

975
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 3: could do a nugget challenge for sure. Burger challenge would

976
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 3: be easy because like, oh so specific. But she said

977
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: she could do ranch. I was like, oh that's insane.

978
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: Ranch is insane. She said she wanted to do cookie.

979
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, cookie is like less interesting to me because it's

980
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: like it's hard to make that. Shall we say like

981
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: a blind test? Right? The diet coke is perfect?

982
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be through a straw. You can't

983
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: see where it's coming from. What You can only see

984
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: the delivery system and not the actual and there needs

985
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 3: to be like a consistency around the sort of the

986
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: way it's it's coming into you, Like that's the delivery system, you.

987
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: Know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you said

988
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: delivery system, it made me think of we were driving

989
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: yesterday in West Hollywood and we saw those one of

990
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: those delivery boxes.

991
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: Maybe that's my I don't think so, honey. Let's do it, Typer,

992
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. This is where we take

993
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: one minute to rail against something in culture. Matt seems

994
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 3: to have something and I can only emphatically agree with him.

995
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. This is Matt Rodgers.

996
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: I don't think so many time starts now, I don't

997
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: think so, honey. At least in Los Angeles, there's those

998
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: delivery food delivery robots yea boxes on the street. I'm

999
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: telling you this sucks. Why are people talking about they're

1000
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: taking our jobs? Don't come to West Hollywood. I'm telling

1001
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: you who's taking your job? A box? A robot box

1002
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: that is, I'm sorry, but not reliable. I could just

1003
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: knock that box over and guess who's not getting your

1004
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: food thirty seconds. I have no idea why this is

1005
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: the case. Why can't we give people the jobs. Let's

1006
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: give people the jobs, because guess what could move faster

1007
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: than this rolling box on the street. A person, a

1008
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: galvanized person who wanted to do a job that day

1009
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: because they were making good living. These robot boxes. They're

1010
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: bumping into each other in West Hollywood like there's some

1011
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: gay guys bumping that bumping that. I'm just I feel

1012
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: insulted every time I'm seeing them, because I know they're

1013
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: good food in there, and I'm just I want it

1014
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: and it's not happening quickly. I don't think so, Honey,

1015
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: that's one minute. I don't like it. Their stupid little

1016
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: blinking eyes. Stop that and stop trying to make them cute.

1017
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Give me a break, Send a check to Pixar because

1018
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: you're trying to make them. Wally, Uh, hello you these boxes.

1019
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: You could never be. We could never be, Wally. We're

1020
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: going to Disneyland later today. I can't wait. What ride

1021
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: are you most excited about doing in Credit Coaster? Of course,

1022
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: I've never I don't think i've done cars before. You've

1023
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: never done cars? Right? Is that pretty new? Again? I

1024
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: have not been in five years. Oh my god, So

1025
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: this new thing is happening. Where I realized my concept

1026
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: of how much time has passed is like not good,

1027
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: because I said, bowe, what are you talking about? We

1028
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: want a couple of years ago, and I realized when

1029
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: I took you it was pre pre COVID pre COVID. Wow. Okay,

1030
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: so let's maybe we didn't get on radiator springs racers,

1031
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: but I will trust and believe we will get on

1032
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: it today. It's my favorite and we will be going

1033
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: to the Little Mermaid Ride. All right. She's the most

1034
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: beautiful woman in the world. Ariel. Yes, I guess it's

1035
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: weird that I even had asked the question, huh, who

1036
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: else in Ursula? I think Ursula is a ursula and

1037
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: a beauty by language. I just you cannot if you

1038
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: are not at all attracted to Ursula, stop lying to yourself.

1039
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: You're in denial, bitch. God. That is that is pure

1040
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: raw sexual power. It's sexual energy. Ursula shows up and says,

1041
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: dare you to think anything other than what I would

1042
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: be like rocking your world tonight in my cave, in

1043
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: my cave, tentacles all up in your fanny. You're about

1044
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: to get sucked in by my fanny.

1045
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: Can you imagine Disney doing the tit jiggle when she's

1046
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 3: shimmys and poor unfortunate souls. They would never get away

1047
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: with that, They would never do it now, But that

1048
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 3: is so important, huge Like her tits are shaking as

1049
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: they draw closer to the screen.

1050
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: I feel like we've lost the way. I'm ready, No here, okay,

1051
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: put me on the clock. All right, here we go.

1052
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: I love it. This is Bowen Yang's fresh out the oven,

1053
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: fresh Aupislama. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

1054
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. What is the current state

1055
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: of the Disney villains? We are just treading on nostalgia

1056
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: for the past what two decades? They'll name the last

1057
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: great Disney villain? The best I can come up with

1058
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: is King Candy Slash Turbo and Wrecket Ralph, voiced by

1059
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: the incomparable Allan Tutic voice acting legend, comedy legend, big

1060
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Speaker 1: hunk legend. But other than that, I can't think of

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00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: the last great Disney villain because maybe they're too afraid

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00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: to give you like a big popping Disney villain, because

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00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: it's like they absolutely are because it's like, you know,

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00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: they don't want the kids to sympathize with them too

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00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: much or like identify with them. It is so important

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00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: for children to identify with villainy on some degree so

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00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: that you can develop some kind of compassion or understanding

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00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: or complex emotional knowledge of how the human condition is.

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00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: You need a good villain in order to move through

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Speaker 1: this world, in order to sort of you have fun

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00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: with it, in order to be participati of life. You

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00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: need a good Disney villain. And we've lost that thread

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00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: for years now. And that's why a minute, it's a

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00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: symptom of something larger, which is just fear in general.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's it's just so I guess, like the

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00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: Disney villains used to be so queer coded. Yeah, Now

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00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: in a world where they're so afraid of like hinting

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00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: at any queerness or like acknowledging any queerness or like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it just feels like things get softer and

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00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: softer and softer. Lost, we've lost even that element of it. Also,

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Speaker 1: these villains are supposed to stand in for something. They're

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00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: supposed to represent something else, something in society that is

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00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: an evil, whether it's like you know, greed or control

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00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: or unchecked power, and the fact is like, you can't

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00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: really soririze that stuff when you are that, when you

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Speaker 1: represent all those things here.

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, like, wait a minute, like

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00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: you are, there's a fear of self examination going on

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00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: here where you're like, well, wait, we can't make Yeah,

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00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's also just from a storytelling perspective, like it's at

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00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: this point it would be boring for another movie to

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00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: come out, and the villain is actually my own doubts,

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00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Give me a fucking break.

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00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: Stop it. Put someone in a crazy fucking outfit, have

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: them have an overdrawn physical feature whatever it is, and

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00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: have them talk like a gay and to have them

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00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: tear it up and give them a big song. I

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00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: missed Scar, I miss I miss your uncle Scar, who

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00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: was so pissed that he had to sing be prepared

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00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: while his hyaenas gooned around him. Excuse me, that was

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00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: culture and that was intro to gooning one oh one

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00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: the hyenas. That's a rule of culture. Yes, sorry, one

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00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: more time so we can say it together. The hyenas

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00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: in Lion King Thanking. What rule of culture is that

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00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: twelve It's real culture number twelve, Lion King that was

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00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: intro to gooning one oh one. Especially d Ed was

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00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: goooning the entire time, Like, come on, we're so scared

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Speaker 1: of being raw. It just makes these things so boring.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's also annoying. You know who had

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00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: a good villain, The Princess and the Frog had a

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Speaker 1: great villain. Was a great villain, and they made this

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00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: Disney ride and like so the Prince, the Princess Tazi's

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00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: value dip has replaced Splash Mountain. And the big complaint

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00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 1: about that ride is there's no like dramatic tension. There's

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00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: no element of fear. There's nothing, and they'd even had

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Speaker 1: one built in and they refused to do it. God,

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00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: what is that?

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Speaker 3: Like they don't want the kids Like is it the

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Speaker 3: parents don't want the kids to be too like they're

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Speaker 3: they're afraid to set the kids or something like, I

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01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: don't know, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, it's like there's no danger in anything. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, It's like if anything at Disney,

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Speaker 1: Villain is important to like make tangible the fears that

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Speaker 1: children have and to give them some sort of model

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Speaker 1: to like overcome it or defeat it quote unquote, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, it's like god, yeah, it's wow. We really just

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01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: like stumbled into this idea that like I think we've

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Speaker 3: no one has ever vocalized. We haven't been able to vocalize,

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Speaker 3: at least on this show. Like the Disney maybe Donna

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01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: Murphy as Mother Golf though was the last great Disney villain,

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Speaker 3: And even that was like easy for.

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Speaker 1: Them to bring out and draw out because like it's

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Speaker 1: literally based on something else. It's the end of the story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I guess like the like Frozen is based on

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Speaker 1: the Snow in which she was the villain.

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Speaker 3: But but in Frozen it's like a sneaky villain, Like

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01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 3: it's the guy that was the Prince comp was supposed

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Speaker 3: to be good all.

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Speaker 1: It's like such a cop out, you know. Honestly at

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01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: the time, it was, and I remember being surprised by

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01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, look like this it's actually this guy.

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01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: But like since then, you just get the sense that

1145
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: like that kind of keeps getting repeated. I just would

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01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: encourage like some more straightforward stuff, like it's okay, there

1147
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: are evil people out there, yes, you know what I mean,

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01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: Like there are and there are evil things out there

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01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: that that should be personified in these stories. And it

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01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: doesn't all have to be like you have to overcome yourself. No,

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01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: sometimes there are external forces that come in and test you.

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01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: It's not always what's going on in your heir. We

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01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: need like our generations like Pat Carroll and Jonathan Freeman,

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01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 1: like we need like Willy McCollister to voice like an

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Speaker 1: evil lamp or something.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we have to create it BO maybe B two.

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01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 3: Although I will say not to talk about my own resume.

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01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 3: I couldn't talk about this during the strikes, but I

1159
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 3: voiced a villain in a Netflix film, The Monkey Came

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01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 3: Check it Out, and that was and I was was

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01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: queer coded. I had a song. It was so much

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01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: fun and I'm so lucky that I got to do it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just saying like it's it's a treat for

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01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 3: a performer to do, like like there's like it's just

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01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 3: fun to do, it's fun to watch, Like put it

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Speaker 3: back into a movie, into all movies. We need great

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Speaker 3: villains back in kids entertainment.

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Speaker 1: It's just funny that we're talking about this with Disney too,

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: because they just announced the villain's land that they're gonna make.

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01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: So maybe they do know this, but it's like, if

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01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: you know this, then like, let's see more of them created.

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: Like it's it's you know what I'm saying, We're getting

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01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: a new princess every other year. It's like, but there

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: has not been a canonized New Disney villain in quite

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01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: some time. Did you ever see Wish? I started it

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01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, nah, I just can't. It's supposed

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01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: to be Chris Chris Pine. Spine's the villain, is he? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think so? Okay, anyway, I just I had to stop.

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01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: I just think evil it's worth representing. Absolutely absolutely give

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01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: us something to conquer hun that isn't in here. I'm

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01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: doing therapy for that exactly. There should be an evil therapist. Wait.

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01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: The one thing I wanted to talk about that we

1183
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: didn't get to was this Trump using Ai Taylor Swift.

1184
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: Oh forget it. It's just so crazy because it's like this,

1185
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: this insane, this stupid fucking and this is how you

1186
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: know that the discourse has to be so lame and

1187
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: watered down on a on like a huge mainstream level,

1188
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: because there is no there there to the discourse of

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01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: who is Taylor Swift gonna endorse babe, even in a

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01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: world where she where she is the worst version of

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01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: what people may think she is, which is like a

1192
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: brazen capitalist that like only cares about the bottom line,

1193
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: et cetera. Even in that world where she, like maybe

1194
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: in this made up scenario, does vote for Donald Trump

1195
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: in the booth, in the privacy of the booth. It

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01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: is so stupid to think that in any world she

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, who makes who writes lyrics like she writes

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Speaker 1: a song like the man is the person that she is,

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: has publicly denounced Trump before, in many ways, released a

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01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: full documentary about her anger about this. It is crazy

1201
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: to assume that she would ever endorse Donald Trump publicly

1202
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: standing what she stands for. So why are we talking

1203
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: about it? Like, yes, he used her fake AI, but

1204
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: like you only allowed him to do that by prolonging

1205
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: this thing of like who's she gonna endorse? Like she

1206
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: is who she is, if she dances for what she

1207
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: stands for, She's gonna come out and say, Kamala. This

1208
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: insane thing of like who is it gonna be? It's

1209
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: like pay attention for two seconds. I mean, they're just

1210
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: kind of using this period until she does say something

1211
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: to like I don't know, drive clicks or whatever, but

1212
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: like this this AI story is so fucking stupid, so insane,

1213
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: and I hope that there is some legal recourse that

1214
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: can be taken there because it feels crazy to me

1215
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: that he can do that and then post it on

1216
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: an official account, and you know, I think it's like

1217
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: a from the Trump camp is like, well, there's like

1218
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: Swifties for Trump and this is a movement that's growing

1219
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,479
Speaker 1: all the time, which is like a lie. I'm sure

1220
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: there are Taylor Swift fans out there, her being like,

1221
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, such a red state and blue state figure

1222
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: throughout her career. I'm sure there are Swifties for Trump,

1223
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: but like, why are we even allowing him to do that?

1224
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: Like she so clearly represents everything that is in opposition

1225
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: to what he represents.

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01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was a little stoned when you

1227
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: were dear. It showed me that and I was like, no,

1228
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 3: I can't, Like this isn't real, Like it's so bizarre

1229
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 3: and surreal to me.

1230
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Speaker 1: I get that he gets to get away with all

1231
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: of his lies because he is who he is, and

1232
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, people genuinely just believe what he says. Like,

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01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: we're just in a world now where there's like I

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01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: guess two medias and one is has convinced one half

1235
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 1: of the country and the other has you know, quote

1236
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: unquote convinced the other half because they're representing like something

1237
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: that resembles more reality, which is that he's a fucking

1238
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: he's the villain, you know what I mean, This just

1239
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: is what it is. It's so bizarre. We've got into

1240
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: a place where like he can even tweet that and

1241
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: people would even buy it at all, because you'd have

1242
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: to listen to two seconds of her music or understand

1243
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: for one second like what she has spoken out about

1244
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: and what she's cared about to understand that would never happen. Yeah,

1245
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: but he can just do this.

1246
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 3: She would never put on an uncle stand costume and

1247
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 3: have airbrushed skin, hair, everything, stand in front of like

1248
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 3: a brick wall. I think and point and say, I

1249
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 3: want you to vote for Donald Trump. I mean whatever,

1250
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: that's just that's just where we're.

1251
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: At, like the warped image of it. Well, I just

1252
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't understand how we've gotten here. But then the

1253
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: other day, my sister showed me something that a relative

1254
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,439
Speaker 1: of ours posted and it was like, oh yeah, wow, God,

1255
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: people are just gone go. We have to go. We've

1256
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: had a busy day of podcasting ahead of it. Yeah,

1257
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna go record two Guys five Rings right now,

1258
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: the last episode, the last episodes, but not the last

1259
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: of our careers. No, no, our careers will continue. I'm

1260
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: saying maybe two guys. We have no idea I two guys.

1261
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: Hibrings will continue. We hope to do it again for

1262
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: the winter and for god Los Angeles. By the way,

1263
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was stuck in traffic for twenty five minutes,

1264
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: longer than I should have to cover half a mile

1265
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: at three thirty pm on a Monday. Good fucking luck

1266
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Speaker 1: Karen Bass at all.

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01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 3: We love you, Karen, We support but also I don't know,

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01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 3: not love, but you know what I mean, Like, this

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Speaker 3: is gonna be this is gonna be a crazy undertaking.

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Speaker 1: But the fucking yeah, I was like was like bolm

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Speaker 1: was like, hey, I'm running really late at the traffic.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it's Monday at three o'clock. Imagine Olympics. Crazy.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. I just don't get how they're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. But anyway, we'll say.

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Speaker 3: We got a funny email to me. I'll tell you later, Okay.

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Speaker 3: We had every episode with the song if.

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Speaker 1: The World and tell you if the ball was all.

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Speaker 1: I love the cigarette hanging from her mouth. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: The choice to have the cigarette in her mouth on

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Speaker 1: the record, not just in the video. It's so good,

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Speaker 1: perfect Gaga. She did it again always and it too.

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Speaker 1: She sounds unel her best singing. So does Bruno, her

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Speaker 1: best singing. If the body was Bye Bye Last.

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Speaker 3: Culturesis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players

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Speaker 3: and then I Heart Radio podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive

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Speaker 1: produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Soni, produced by Becka Ramos,

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Speaker 1: edited mixed by Doug Baby, Anika Board and our music

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Speaker 1: is by Henry Kuberski