WEBVTT - Part Two: The Satanic Panic: America's First QAnon 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:07.960 M hmm. What molesting children the devil? What is that 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.200 a bad way to open a show, Sophie, Well, no, 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:17.520 that's the only take. Try. Yeah, well I said it 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.360 was the Devil. I mean, no one likes the Devil 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:25.479 except for people who like the Devil. But this is 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:31.480 behind the Bastards, a podcast that will very soon be canceled. Um. Yeah, 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:35.000 I'm I'm Robert Evans, and uh I'm back with with 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.360 h Jacob Hanrahand. Your full name isn't Jacob, does it? Yeah? 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.720 I just called you Jacob. Well that's what I'm calling 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:47.839 you forever now, Jake. That yeah, I have that power. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.560 I am legally a reverend doctor. Both reference and doctors 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:57.160 get to name things, Sophie. The state of New Jersey says, so, yeah, well, 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.640 the state of New Jersey has no say in somebody 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.960 who doesn't live in America. I think in New Jersey's 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.960 jurisdiction does in fact go across the Atlantic. It is 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.520 a coastal city. So back to the satanic panic, Jake, 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.840 how you doing? How you're holding up emotionally as we 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.920 tear in this? It's so good. Yeah, it's the worst. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.520 So before we get into our main subject for the day, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.399 which is the McMartin preschool trial. We're gonna talk about 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.959 some other wild ass satanic panic bullshit that was kicking 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.520 off in the late seventies. And this this involves a 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.360 little game you might have played called Dungeons and Dragons. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.240 You're played d DJ, which people play it. It looks 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:42.880 really really cool. It's rules like yeah, yeah, yeah, I 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.360 played that as a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.559 Dungeon Dragons once and I just went in and was like, wow, yeah, 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.760 it's fucking a great game. Great thing for kids. Also 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.760 really good for kids, like teaches you storytelling, teaches you 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:56.600 like a lot of I learned a lot about how 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.800 to do journalism well by just like the way that 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.120 you put together wis and stuff. But people find interesting 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.960 it's a great game. Uh, A lot of people disagreed 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.600 with that in the nineteen seventies. So in nineteen seventy nine, 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.440 when the game is about five years old, a sixteen 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.440 year old named James Dallas Egbert the Third vanished from 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.880 the steam tunnels under his school, which is where he 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.960 and his friends played what honestly sounds like a pretty 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.200 righteous game of D and D. That sounds so cool. Yeah, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.200 that sounds cool as hell. His family hired a private 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.000 eye to track him down, and that guy publicly theorized 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:31.040 that James's lef of Dungeons and Dragons contributed to his disappearance. Uh, 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.520 this was not true, but the press ran wild with it, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.880 and while James was eventually found, he committed suicide shortly thereafter. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.680 He was just very like, he chronically depressed kid, like, 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.640 a very sad story, nothing to do with D and D, 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.960 which was probably one of the few bright spots in 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:48.480 his life. Yeah, but obviously it was all blamed on 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.200 the game. In nineteen eighty one, the book Mazes and 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.080 Monsters was published on the case, and it was just nonsense. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.639 It was followed shortly after by the nineteen eighty two 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:00.440 film adaptation starring Tom Hanks, which is a fucking if 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.560 you want to watch a terrible movie about how dn 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:09.720 D is the devil, Oh there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.919 Mazes and fucking Monsters. So the private detective, who detective 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.560 who started all this, published his own book, The Dungeon Master, 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.560 where he clarified that D and D had nothing to 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.480 do with James's disappearance or suicide, which he instead again 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.600 blamed on chronic depression, but by that point it was 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.080 way too late. In two, another kid named Irving Pulling 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.079 committed suicide since he had played in a school supervised 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.440 D and D game. His mother, Patricia, sued the school 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.240 in t s R. Dn d's publisher, blaming them for 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.960 her son's death because quote, he had received a curse 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:44.360 during a game session. Oh yeah, yeah, and it's it 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.560 is this like, you know, the kind of people who 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.280 played D and D in the nineteen fucking eighties were 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.240 big old nerds. Right nowadays it's gotten to be more mainstream, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.040 but like, you're a pretty big nerd in the eighties 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.680 if you're playing D and D and you're probably bullied 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.080 to fucking back, right, you probably get kicked out of 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.360 you every day. You know. It was always like when 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.800 I watched old American films, it was like the nerds 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.960 would always be doing like a version of Yeah. So obviously, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.440 like these kids who probably had a lot of ship, 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.440 that was tough in their lives because it's hard to 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.800 be a kid, and harder still if you're a kid 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.679 who gets the ship kicked out of them by bullies, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.000 um killed themselves and instead of looking into anything else. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:23.640 They're like, well, they played D and D. That must 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.440 have been it, right, Yeah, it's going to be that. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.840 Patricia Pulling, Irving's mom, formed an advocacy group called Bothered 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:37.360 about Dungeons and Dragons or Bad and dedicated to securing 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:43.920 government Yeah, dedicated to securing government regulation of role playing games. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.600 A sentence that I could not type without laughing and 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.960 can't read without laughing, Like the government needs to regulate RPGs. 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.440 It's very funny, um and like the Christian right being 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.359 what it is. You know, there was there were people 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.600 in the country who both supported the regulation of RPGs 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.120 role playing games, and also thought civilian should be able 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.440 to own rocket propelled grenades the other kind of art 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.040 scheme where has just had a bit of therapy, Like yeah, yeah, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:17.240 it's fucking great. So Pulling tried to sue TSR over 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.760 her son's death, but that didn't work because obviously there 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.680 was nothing to any of her claims. So instead she 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.920 dedicated herself to pumping out propaganda claiming that D and 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:30.320 D encouraged devil worship and suicide. Her pamphlets described D 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:40.280 and D as a fantasy role playing game which uses demonology, witchcraft, voodoo, murder, rape, blasphemy, suicide, assassination, insanity, sex, perversion, homosexuality, prostitutions, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:46.280 satanic type rituals, gambling, barbarism, cannibalism, sadism, desecration, demon summoning, necromantics, divination, 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.680 and other teachings. Wow. Okay, well it sounds like cooler 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:55.840 game than it was actually. Um yeah. One of the 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.279 things that's weird about this to me is like the 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:58.960 guy I played D and D with when I was 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.560 a kid was like a fucking young Earth creationist, was 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.240 a great dungeon master and also believing was six thousand 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.839 years old. Um So, not every Christian had this attitude 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.599 about D and D, but it was real common on 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.400 the Christian right for a while. I actually found the 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.000 cover art for one of the books that Bad put out, 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.320 and it's pretty fucking wild. The jacket quote, which is 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.960 purportedly from some some young fan of D and D, 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.400 was the more I play D and D, the more 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.080 I want to get away from the world. And you know, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.159 you might argue that this says more about the world 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.320 that these kids were growing up in during the nineteen eighties. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:36.360 The Dungeons and Dragons yeah, your life sucks. Your kid 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.239 pretend to be something that's not a kid that gets 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.880 bullied all the time, right, Yeah, of course you're going 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.840 to want to prefer that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So the 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.120 book promises witchcraft, suicide, and violence inside and is marketed 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:54.600 towards educators, librarians, pastors, police and parents. And despite being 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.400 wrong about everything, Patricia was terrifyingly influential in both Christian 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.120 media and among law and for smith. Her books on 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.520 dungeons and dragons were so popular with evangelical pastors in 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.719 the US and in Australia, where she played a role 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:11.280 in propaganda distributed by the Australian Federation of Decency, which 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.160 is I guess a thing, and you know with a 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.119 name like Federation of Decency, that you're the worst people 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.400 in the country, right basically, like yeah, like anything we 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:24.200 don't like is devil. Yeah yeah, yeah exactly. So Patricia 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.360 Polling eventually got a p I S license and became 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.920 a consultant for law enforcement on a number of cases, 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.800 all of which the police lost. Yeah. She advised police 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.680 officers to open interrogations of teenagers with the question have 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:47.400 you read the Necronomicon or are you familiar with it? Fictional? Great, 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.320 she thought, like, h Lovecraft was a professor. Yeah, like 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.720 what she did? Someone after decades after Lovecraft def published 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.920 a book called The Necronomicon to kind of cash in 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.920 on the fact that number one. Yeah, well it was. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.320 It wasn't even a real book. No, it was like 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.640 so at one point, she told the news a newspaper 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.560 reporter that eight percent of Richmond, Virginia was Satanist, a 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.920 figure she'd arrived at by calculating that four percent of 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.560 teens and four percent of adults were devil worshippers. And 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.720 the reporter pointed out, like, well, that's actually just four 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.320 percent of the population. If it's it's four percent of 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.880 teens and four percent of adults, that's four percent of people. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:23.920 And she told them that it didn't matter that her 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:28.680 math was wrong because her numbers were conservative. Just amazing. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:34.680 That kind of attitude hasn't changed. No, right wing, No, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.680 it doesn't matter, we know what we mean. Yeah, it 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.000 doesn't matter. I feel that it's true. So like the 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:46.120 fact that factually I'm just making ship up is fine. Yeah. Yeah. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.680 And the fact that Patricia Poland was clearly incompetent and 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.400 wrong about everything and was still treated as a recognized 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.840 expert by law enforcement for years. Shou'd key you in 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.000 on a couple of things. One, cops generally aren't very 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.960 good at their job, and two, in nineteen eighties, it 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.560 was very easy to become an expert on Satanism as 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.520 long as you were good at scaring suburban moms and cops. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.679 So all of this brings me to the centerpiece of 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.200 our story today, the McMartin preschool trial. Now, this is 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:16.080 still again the longest and most expensive trial in US history, 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.760 and I would contend it's also the very, very dumbest. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.720 It started thanks to a young mother in distress named 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.320 Judy Johnson, and her story is about as heartbreaking as 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.160 it gets. Um, she's kind of the villain of this story, 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.560 but like it's fun. She's a bad situation. This lady, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.760 she'd gotten into a bad marriage and she and her 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.360 husband only stuck together because they had a kid. And 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.160 then that child, their first child, got diagnosed with an 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.440 inoperable brain tumor at age eight, which would like just 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.000 destroy any parent, right, Like that's just gonna ruin you, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.200 no matter who you are. And she was not a 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.240 superstable person. Before this happened, um doctors were not able 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.079 to help him, and so she developed an a rational 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.200 but understandable hatred of doctors in medicine, right, like, it's 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.080 not fair, But also like your kids, you're gonna have 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.800 so much anger over this that you're gonna blame somebody, right, Like, 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:07.040 you can't expect someone circumstance, no one would, uh, And 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.320 like a lot of people in this situation, Judy sought 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.880 refuge in religion. She carried a Bible with her everywhere 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.040 and was a very very hardcore fundamentalist and generally the 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.760 kind of fundamentalist you would expect to be worried about Satanism. Now, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.319 you combine that with the fact that she was kind 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.120 of out of her mind with grief over a dying 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.040 child and the fact that her relationship with her husband imploded, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.840 and you probably won't be entirely surprised at what she 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.480 does next, especially since it later came out she had 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.120 a series of schizophrenic breaks. So it also turns out 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:37.040 she's like, it's a horrible like she she's the villain, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.200 and that she's responsible for the evil of this story. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:45.520 You can't she's not morally responsible for any of her acts. Yeah, 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.600 like it's yeah, she had a very bad hand and 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.760 as a result she creates as a result of that 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.840 and this cultural panic over Satanism and all of these 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.240 different legal structures that have been set up in our society, 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.080 she's able to do tremendous harm. And it's just a 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:07.320 horrible fucking story. Um. So Judy had another child, Matthew, um, 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.360 and he was like two years old. I think when 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.240 they moved, she and her husband moved to southern California. Um. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.400 And they moved to Manhattan Beach, which is like a 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.079 very nice part of Southern California's basically Santa Monica. It's 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.679 like right on the coast. It's a fucking beautiful part 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:25.520 of the world. There's no parking, but there was back then. Um, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.280 it was a paradise filled with places for people to 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.480 put cars in those days. Uh. And it had a 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.880 pre school called the McMartin Pre School, which was considered 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.480 the very best preschool in Manhattan Beach. Um. And like 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.280 so as the very nice preschool in Manhattan Beach, every 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.360 parent and one of their kids in there. Um. And 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.720 so Judy wanted her son, Matthew to be there. Unfortunately, 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:46.600 Judy was a bit of a mess, and she failed 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:48.960 to enroll him before the school was full for that session. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.800 Instead of finding another school, she dropped her two year 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.840 world child off off outside the school with a note 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.719 in his backpack that said, like you have to take him, basically, 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:03.439 like here's his name, and like deal with it. Yeah. Again, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:08.600 she's not making very rational decisions here because she's profoundly ill. Um. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.760 McMartin Preschool was founded by Virginia McMartin, who was in 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.760 I think her sixties at this point. Uh, And Virginia 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.600 was like, I don't think it's a great idea to 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.880 allow this kid here that his mom has basically trying 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.920 to force him on the school seems kind of sucked up. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.960 But Virginia's daughter, Peggy, was more sympathetic and assumed that 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.240 a mom who would do something like this was had 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:28.920 to be going through some ship and that they should 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.360 help her out because these are very nice people. Um. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.439 So they take Matthew in and he attends class for 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.160 a few months, and this proved to be a horrible 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.280 mistake because by this point Judy was not just out 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.400 of her mind with grief, she was also a hardcore 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:49.440 alcoholic and having schizophrenic episodes. So pretty bad situation, Jake, Yeah, 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.480 I'm gonna quote again from that book, Satan's Silence. That summer, 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.439 Judy Johnson became preoccupied with the condition of her younger 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.400 son's anus. In June, she would later tell the authorities. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.200 Matthew come plained that it hurt when he made a 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.360 bowel movement. In July, she took him to a nearby 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.600 hospital emergency room, where she told the doctor that her 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.000 son's anus was itchy and that she thought she had 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.600 given him her vaginal infection. The doctor did not examine Matthew, 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.920 but he did treat Judy for vagenitis. A few weeks 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.080 later did he mentioned to her brother that Matthew's anis 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.280 was inflamed. She began making frequent inspections of her son's 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.800 rectal area. So a few things are going on here. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.240 One is that again not a great, not a very 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.840 healthy household. This kid has bad hygiene, right uh. Also, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.720 his mom is now daily poking and prodding his rectum 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.319 in order to check it, and that irritates it. And 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.600 she becomes convinced that the irritation that she is causing 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.360 is the is the result of sexual abuse, and she 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.079 grows convinced that this is because Matthew's teacher, a guy 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.200 named Ray Bucky, had sodomized her child repeatedly over the 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.520 course of the summer. Now, this is untrue, and one 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.040 of the reasons it's definitely untrue is that number one, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.760 two year olds are very rarely sexually assaulted. Number two, 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:01.280 wind grown men penetrate to your children with their penises. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.480 It either kills or severely injures the child. It causes 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.560 horrible injury, right, Like it's a terrible Yeah. Yeah, it's 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.400 not like something you would miss exactly, and it's not 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.080 like it would be it would not be something you 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.320 had to inspect for like the kid would probably need 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.280 to go to a fucking hospital. Um. Yeah, So again, 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.960 her allegations are untrue. But Ray was kind of a 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.160 weird dude. He'd spent most of his young adulthood as 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.440 a California beach bum with kind of a well off family, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.040 smoked a lot of pot um. He did this thing 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.480 that California surfer dudes did where he didn't wear underwear 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.040 underneath his board shorts, so like he had people. One 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.800 of the things people knew about ray is that sometimes 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.880 he would sit down he could see his balls like 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.200 it was like a thing. Not again, he's not doing 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.480 anything like bad. Like the most you could say is like, hey, dude, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.600 maybe you should be wearing underwear because like people were 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:51.400 saying your balls all the time. Like, nothing bad. Just 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.880 kind of a weird dude. None of the kid children 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.800 he taught ever had any complaints about him. He seems 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.280 to have been a pretty unproblematic teacher. I've I've never 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.760 run across any evidence that he actually he did anything 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.680 bad ever. Um, but he was a weird guy, and 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.880 it was also weird in nineteen eighty three for a 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.760 young man to teach preschool. That was a woman's job, right, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:16.840 This is still an area, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, just 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.880 as certain people were suspicious of working mothers in this 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.160 period of time and thought that like that was contributing 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.040 to the breakdown of the family, a lot of folks 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.680 were suspicious of young men in childcare and assumed that 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.640 they must have some multerior motive. Um. And Judy Johnson 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.800 was one of these people, and her suspicion of male 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.560 teachers meshed with her hatred of doctors brought on by 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.640 the tragic circumstances of her oldest son to produce again, 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.640 all of these are like perfect storm things, right, Like 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.280 that's the thing about all this ship, like it isn't 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.880 just erupt out of nowhere. So I'm gonna read another 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.720 fucking horrible quote. Lately, she had noticed how Matthew would 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.280 run around pretending that he was giving people shots. As 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.320 the popularity of toy Doctor Kits testifies, this behavior is 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.520 common for small children. And although Judy and although Judy 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.960 hated medical professionals, matt You had been exposed to them 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.720 regularly that summer since his brother was getting hospital treatment 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.600 for his tumor. Yet, Judy Johnson believed that Matthew had 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.400 no idea what an injection was, so she asked him 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.880 if Ray Bucky had given him shots. Again, he said no, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.080 but she pressed. Finally, after repeated questioning, he told his 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.040 mother that Ray took his temperature. Judy concluded that the 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:24.960 thermometer must have been Bucky's penis. Oh my god, yeah, 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.760 I was just picturing like the kid running around filling 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:37.320 up like little shot glass like syringes, which is again, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.160 like I think every kid probably as a period where 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.360 they play doctor and ship like it's a incredibly common thing. Yeah, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.760 she becomes convinced. And again when she first starts asking 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.800 her kid, did did Ray molest you? He says no. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.200 And that's the case with all of these satanic child 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.920 abuse cases. The kids are always saying like, nothing happens 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.360 at first, which is again we talked about like believing victims. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.120 Part of the problem is that people didn't and they 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:03.080 pushed the victims repeatedly to like, yeah, it's it's very bad. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.800 So Judy calls the cops. Uh. And she took her 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.800 son to the hospital, and of course the doctor listened 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.560 to her story and examined her boy um. And again 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.879 the doctor is like, hey, when adult men sodomized two 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.080 year olds, it results in horrific damage. Uh, and a 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.399 summer worth of anal rape would be immediately apparent in 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.240 a boy this young. And the doctor saw no evidence 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.520 of that. All he saw was evidence that Matthews Rectam 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.600 was irritated in a way you'd expect if his mom 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.000 was constantly poking it. The doctor was like, your kid 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.520 seems okay, and he sent Judy away. This made her angry, 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.840 and again she fucking hates doctors and she kept, and 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.240 so she kept like. She started going to the police next, 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.120 and through a mix of coaching her son to talk 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.840 about a stranger's penis and speaking for her kid in 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.840 police interviews, which remember they take the mom's testimony about 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.280 what the kids said as direct testimony from the kid, 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.240 Judy is able to convince the cops that her son 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.679 had been abused. She and the cops shopped around for 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.600 doctors until they found an intern at U c l 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.800 A who had never diagnosed sex abuse cases before. This 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.720 intern sees Matthews wrecked them and it's like, oh, yeah, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.000 something must have happened here. Again, he doesn't really know 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.680 what he's doing because he's not good at this kind 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.800 of thing. Like the police like, yeah, let's find someone 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:17.520 to make the story true. You know, cops, I know, 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.520 it's just it's all so bad. It's all really bad. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.000 It's so fucking terrible. So the long and the short 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.879 of this is the police opened an investigation into Ray Bucky, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.840 and as soon as the word got out, people start 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.680 telling stories about Ray, not real ones, because again, he'd 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.080 never done anything, but the kinds of stories people tell 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.000 whenever someone a little weird gets accused of doing something terrible. 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.199 A week later, the police exacerbated this as cops are 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.840 want to do, by sending out a mass telephone request 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.280 asking if any other parents had been abused, and like, 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.680 the mass telephone request also has like, hey, please don't 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.679 tell anyone that we called you about this. But of 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.960 course everyone starts talking about it. It winds up in 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.359 the news and it starts spreading. And now what you 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.439 have all these parents going to their kids and being like, 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:03.120 were you listed? So Judy Johnson also keeps adding new 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.919 stories on about her son's abuse, claiming that Ray had 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.919 forced him to wear a bra because one time her 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.520 son had walked in on her dressing and said, Matthew 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:15.080 wear bra. Again, kid sees his mom wearing a bra, 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.080 doesn't really understand things, and it's like, oh, I want 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.520 to wear a bra. She interprets. This is like he's 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.280 been forced to wear a bra by his teacher. And also, yeah, 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.280 the day after this, she told police. Uh she so 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.240 she tells police this, and then the day after this 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.320 she starts claiming, based on the strength of vague comments 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.520 by a two year old, that Matthew had been tied 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.680 up with a rope by Ray. So again the story 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.679 keeps expanding, it gets more and more elaborate, and again, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.040 the very concept of investigating child sex trauma was new 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.880 at this point, and the cops basically handed over responsibility 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.880 to this case to the few folks on their team 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.480 who had any training in this, and those people had 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.040 been trained to believe the children never lie or make 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.720 accusations based in fantasy. Again, that's the training too, in 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.840 addition to Michelle remembers and ship. So the cops keep 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.640 using the parents to ask if their kids had experienced anything, 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.080 and the parents, being people, start to get excited about 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.760 all the rumors flying around town. Some of them start 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.359 to talk to their kids, and after badgering their kids repeatedly, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.960 those kids report what they think their parents want to hear. 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:15.879 Ray had taken weird pictures of them. You know, that 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.000 sort of stuff starts coming out. Now. The cops had 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.239 searched raise home and found no photos, but whatever, like, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.440 it didn't matter that there was no evidence. The accusations 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:29.879 were out there. Poor boy, Oh, it's so worse. His 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:34.120 life is just shattered by It's fucked. It's completely fucked. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.200 Satan's silence goes on to note that as this process 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.359 went on quote, other children embellished their stories. Within days, 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.240 Tanya Mrjuli had talked about being sodomized, and some of 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.960 her classmates said Ray had penetrated both of their rectums 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.359 and made them fillate him. They also named additional children 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.000 as victims, but when questioned, this new group denied anything 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.440 had happened. The police and many parents did not believe 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.840 the denials. They assumed that the children were keeping quiet 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.760 about the abuse, and they searched for telltale signs. One 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:00.840 woman said she noticed that her five year old daughter 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.359