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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always feeling the urgency.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal and beyond excited to be joined today

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Speaker 1: by Jane Slater of NFL Network. You will recognize her

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Speaker 1: from the NFL Network polos. She's always wearing this time

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Speaker 1: of year up in Oxnard, but she's now back in

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Speaker 1: the Dallas area. But you're not just the Dallas Cowboys reporter.

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Speaker 1: You can talk NFL, Jane Slater. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: do some news before we get to Cowboys talk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just as excited about the football season as

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Speaker 2: a lot of the fans are. I'm obviously following it

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Speaker 2: very very closely, and they're I mean, some of the

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Speaker 2: things that have happened in the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Greg, but I am a

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Speaker 2: huge fan of the Real Housewise franchise. They've got nothing

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Speaker 2: on the reality that seems to be. Some of these

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Speaker 2: storylines that have peaked in the last.

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Speaker 1: Couple of weeks, Well, I feel like they could do

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Speaker 1: a Real Housewife. I was maybe like the real single

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Speaker 1: Ladies of Dallas and have Slater on. I almost feel

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Speaker 1: like you've been trying out for that quietly for years

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Speaker 1: like your life is a reality show.

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Speaker 2: It feels like it sometimes.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we're gonna do some news, like I said,

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna talk deep dive into the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: We'll try to talk some this stuff on the field

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Speaker 1: because we've hit the contract so hard, but I'm more

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Speaker 1: interested in what this team's actually gonna look like this season.

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Speaker 1: And then we're gonna wrap up the show with Pete

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Speaker 1: Sweeney from Arrowhead Pride. So talking Cowboys, talking Chiefs today,

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Speaker 1: But first we will do some news, yeah, bummer Jane

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Speaker 1: that we're starting with a quarterback injury that didn't see coming.

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Speaker 1: Nick Schuok and I spent the top of our show

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Speaker 1: on Monday morning just so excited about how good JJ

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Speaker 1: Came into the building Monday morning after not saying a

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Speaker 1: had some knee soreness, and it turns out he needs

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Speaker 1: The full repair would potentially knock him out for the

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Speaker 1: entire season. The trim would be four to six weeks.

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Speaker 1: And I think we might have got a little bit

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Speaker 3: What's best for the long term health of of JJ

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Speaker 3: like I said, have that answer and really won't be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jane, when he when he starts that saying the

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Speaker 1: long term health of the player is going to be

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Speaker 1: to be the best for him long term.

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Speaker 2: And why would you, right, Greg, I mean they went

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Speaker 2: think we all thought that JJ McCarthy would take a

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I think probably the most disheartening part

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel for McCarthy first of all, you feel

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Speaker 2: and so you know, Sam Donald, I think there's, don't

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Speaker 2: This was devastating news to a lot of Vikings fans today,

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Speaker 2: But I would just say, you know, pump the brakes.

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Speaker 2: I think he's also got to ask himself, you know,

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Speaker 2: He talked about how hard it is when you're holding

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Speaker 2: interesting some of the aggregators, these blogger insiders versus the insiders.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's be around. No one's covered themselves in glory

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Speaker 1: not allowed to take credit. I've seen this one one reporter, like,

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Speaker 1: you're not allowed to take credit for saying you were right.

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Speaker 1: If he ends up going to the Steelers when you

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Speaker 1: said the deal was done last Friday, it's not even done.

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Speaker 1: I get what they're saying that the deal, that part

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Speaker 2: It's a little misleading, right, Like, yes, I always get

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Speaker 2: mean again, bring it back Dallas, Eric Kinchurch. Remember he

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Speaker 2: And so to me, until the ink has dried you

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Speaker 2: these things. But personally, I'm like you my Twitter timeline

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Speaker 1: about her favorite reality show on Earth, the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Right after this break, we're back on NFL Daily.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the world's biggest Real Housewives fans, Jeane Slater.

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Speaker 1: I'm more of a like a terrorist house guy. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever watched Terrast House. It's just it's more peaceful,

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Speaker 1: like not much happens. They're very nice to each other.

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Speaker 1: The relationships move slowly. It's on Netflix. It's set in Japan.

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Speaker 1: It's great.

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Speaker 2: I'll to chee that in. I'm always looking for Netflix suggestions.

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Speaker 2: Octopus Murders is another great one if you're looking for one.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm very that is very you.

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Speaker 3: You.

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Speaker 1: You and Mark love to bond over.

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Speaker 2: I love reaching out to Mark Sessler over our conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm like three years behind the zeitgeist. Everyone

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Speaker 1: was into Terrast House during the pandemic, and I'm catching

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Speaker 1: up to it. Late, but there's like fifty episodes per season,

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Speaker 1: looking for mindless entertainment. The Cowboys they're great at mindless entertainment.

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Speaker 1: They've been doing it forever. I was at the I

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Speaker 1: telling Skip Bayless I'm not gay, which was like this

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Speaker 1: don't do it like that anymore, Jane. This team has

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Speaker 2: Oh and there's so much drama that I don't even report.

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Speaker 2: The whole Skip Bayless Troy Aateman thing is so fascinating

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Speaker 2: And I've always appreciated like Troy suffers no fools. I've

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Speaker 1: I mean a quarterback Dak Prescott in his situation, not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine, it'll get done or it won't.

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Speaker 2: up his confidence. I don't know, but we found ourselves

432
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: multiple times during the game, go throw the ball to

433
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Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks, Like if Ceedee Lamb is getting double teamed,

434
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 2: get the ball to Brandon Cooks and good things happened,

435
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 2: and so people forget about him. But I you know,

436
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 2: obviously you've got Brandon Cooks here, Jalen Tolbert and Jalen Brooks.

437
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 2: The two Jalen's have really sort of stepped up. And

438
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 2: Jalen Tulbert's an interesting story because they went out and

439
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 2: got Jalen Tolbert in the draft two years ago. They'll

440
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 2: tell you that maybe they put a little bit too

441
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 2: much on his plate in that first year, and maybe

442
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: some of the terminology and the schemes they weren't clicking

443
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 2: with him. But he and Dak have worked together a

444
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 2: lot this aw season. Like Dak took, I think it

445
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: was eleven guys to the Nike facility in Portland. Ceedy

446
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 2: interestingly enough was not there, but those guys were all there,

447
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 2: and he's just been getting a ton of reps in.

448
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Tolbert is going to be interesting for

449
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 2: them to step up in that role that they wanted

450
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: Michael gallup to but didn't. Of course, Michael left and

451
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 2: then announced his retirement this off season. So I think

452
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: wide receiver I'm good with. I'm going down the list here.

453
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: Running back, I just don't know. I want to believe

454
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 2: that Zeke's gonna even though they keep saying it's going

455
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 2: to be a running back by committee. Anytime Dallas is

456
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 2: done by committee, it's never really worked for them. Now

457
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: it's worked when you've got like a bruiser running back

458
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 2: like you had Zeke, and then you add a change

459
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 2: of that guy a little bit of a joystick in

460
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard. Now, Tony Pollard didn't do so well in Dallas.

461
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 2: I think because you didn't have that bruiser type of back,

462
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: you were having issues with your offensive line and a

463
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 2: lot of people this was underreported last year, but the

464
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 2: running backs coach was new to the position and stepped

465
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: away from the facility for personal reasons. I think it

466
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: was quite a few games last year, and I know

467
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 2: for a fact that that was an issue for some

468
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: of the running backs that were looking for some direction.

469
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: You know, they had Skip Peete there before, who had

470
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 2: been two stops in Dallas, La Rams played the position.

471
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: This coach hadn't even played the position. Now, I don't

472
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 2: want to take that away. That's like someone saying, well,

473
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 2: you didn't play the game of football, Jane, so you

474
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: can't cover it. Like I get that, But I do

475
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 2: believe that there were some issues with the running game

476
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 2: last year as a result of all that. So I

477
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: think green Zeken is big because he's always been known

478
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: to have a high football IQ, sometimes not the best

479
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: off the field IQ that's gotten better.

480
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want him in there to be

481
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Speaker 1: my running back coach, though, you know, if he's the

482
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Speaker 1: third guy. I kind of think at running back they

483
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: might not have their they could have a week one

484
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: starter that's not even on their roster. Like I look

485
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: at like Denver and Miami both got a lot of

486
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: running backs I could see.

487
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: I just don't see. I don't see Malik Davis or

488
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess Rico Dadel has shown you some flashes.

489
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 2: And then you've got uh, You've got deuce Vaughn. But

490
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 2: I think what I'm more interested with duce Vaughn is

491
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: they were working him in the slot, more of that

492
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 2: receiver role, like Cole Beasley. I think that's going to

493
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 2: be really interesting to watch. That's another one. You know,

494
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: even when I was talking about wide receivers, they've also

495
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: got Cavante Turbin. So you've got two small, really fast

496
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: guys that you can, you know, throw in the slot.

497
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: And I think that that could get real interesting for Dallas.

498
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: And then we've even seen Micah Parsons finally getting some

499
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 2: snaps at running back. I mean, he's been like pounding

500
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: the table for that for a year. So I think

501
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: offensively shot in.

502
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Speaker 1: High I'd say that again, getting snaps at running back,

503
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: why why are we spending time giving Mark Michael Parsons

504
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: snaps at running back. Is that a real thing that

505
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: could happen or is that just because he's Michael Parsons

506
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: and they want to I think it's.

507
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: More like goal line situations, right, Like, I think they

508
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: use him like in sort of more of like a

509
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: full back roll. I don't think it's the smartest, especially

510
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: with him coming up on a contract here, But Micah

511
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 2: loves to eat and I know that he wants it,

512
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people probably would have

513
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: laughed at him if it wasn't for Dan Quinn when

514
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: he came to him and said, I want to play,

515
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: you know, I want to rush off the edge. I

516
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: want to be a defensive end. They're like, no, we

517
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: drafted you as a linebacker, and so yeah, I mean,

518
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: I think they could get creative in certain situations, and

519
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: so I think, you know, they came up with this

520
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: Texas Coast offense last year. It took a little time

521
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: for them to get it going. A lot of times

522
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: the terminology they were using wasn't meshing up with like

523
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: a West Coast offense. And I think it's sort of

524
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: found its rhythm. So I'm not as worried about that.

525
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: The offensive line is still something I'm like another entry.

526
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: You know, yet Chuma Adoga get injured in the preseason game.

527
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: I think we really like what we saw from Tyler Dyton.

528
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: I mean that guy was like bullying dudes out of

529
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: the stadium the other.

530
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: Night with their first round pick, who's now going to

531
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Speaker 1: be their starter. You mentioned Adoga is probably out for

532
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: a month or something like that.

533
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tyler Gotton. What was so impressive about him

534
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: is I talked to his offensive line coach, Duke manny Weather,

535
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: and he told me it was Thursday he got drafted

536
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: and on Saturday he decided to stay in Frisco forgo

537
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: is summer and worked out with Duke Mannyweather five sometimes

538
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: six days a week. And I think you're seeing some

539
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: of that on the field. What's going to be interesting

540
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: to watch is what are they going to do with

541
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: the center position? Like I thought brock Hoffman was their guy,

542
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: and now I'm hearing they're splitting some reps there. I mean,

543
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: I think they like what they're seeing from Cooper Beabie,

544
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: the rookie that they got. So I think the offensive line,

545
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: I think they're still trying to find like their best

546
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: starting five. So that's kind of an area. And if

547
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: you don't have Tuma, you've got TJ. Bass, you got

548
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: a couple of these other guys. But offensive depth was

549
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: a problem last year, so yeah, maybe they don't quite

550
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: have that figured out. Defensive line. I think Marshawn Neelan

551
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: has done a nice job stepping in for Sam Williams.

552
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: A lot of these rookies are getting asked to do

553
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: a lot. I think the area of I think that

554
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 2: I'm probably most excited about right now always linebackers. I mean,

555
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: this is something Mike Zimmer is so good at. He

556
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 2: is He's got a very he's got a very specific

557
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: vision for what he wants to do there. Eric Kendrick

558
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: squaring the green dot. And you've got these young guys

559
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 2: that are really really stepping up, not just your corners,

560
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: but some of your safeties that we saw really getting

561
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: after the ball in the preseason. It was even some

562
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: of the players talking after the game, you know, Dan

563
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: Quinn coached up in the booth and they said Mike

564
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: Zimmer at times was even looking at his call sheet.

565
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: It's just sort of instinctive. So they're just getting this

566
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: wealth of information with Mike Zimmer and who is very,

567
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: very different from Dan Quinn. He admitted to me at

568
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: camp that he's had to work on developing relationships with players,

569
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: like very old school in the sense it's like separation

570
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: at church and State. But it seems like the guys,

571
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: at least one guy put it out to the game.

572
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: He said, this defense feels like it's going to work.

573
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: So I think that's an area, you know, maybe to

574
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: get excited about.

575
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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that I had a list of like

576
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: things and to spin a positive that you'd be excited about.

577
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: And you know Jake Ferguson being like a real deal

578
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: tight end in Tolbert. You mentioned having a big camp,

579
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: but Zimmer is kind of it that You've got a

580
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: lot to work with, a lot of talent in the secondary.

581
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: People kind of forget Trayvon Diggs is coming back around,

582
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: Bland off that great season, Jordan Lewis is a good player.

583
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: You have a lot of safeties. They were so bad

584
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: at linebacker, and Zimmer's good at coaching. I'm not sure

585
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: if I'm buying your Eric Kendricks pop I just because

586
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: he hasn't been you know, he's been an issue for

587
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: his last couple of teams, so it's hard to ignore that.

588
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: And even Brandon cooks, I'm like a little worried about

589
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: the older guys, but if they can have the young

590
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: guys come up, then then they'll be fine. To answer

591
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: my own question, I probably yeah, I'm with you. I

592
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: would probably be most concerned about the old line because

593
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: that's what this team used to be all about, and

594
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: if you don't have great talent in the backfield, you

595
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: kind of need that to make up for it. But

596
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: you mentioned Parsons playing running back. I actually have a

597
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: quote from him today which is just crazy. Mike McCarthy

598
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: questioned his reads. I think he was kind of joking around,

599
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: and Parsons was joking back and he said, has Mike

600
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: ever played running back in his life? Someone who has

601
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 1: never played the position can't question somebody's reads. You just

602
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: got to let me be a football player. I'll tell

603
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: you this, He's kind. He's a little crazy. Michael Parsons

604
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: just based off like seeing him on his YouTube was CJ.

605
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: Stroud and they taped this thing where they went to Japan.

606
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: I watch a little bit like Michael Parsons a little different.

607
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: He's a different cat and honestly. Look, I'll be honest.

608
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: Like some of the stuff you heard last year that

609
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: came out and people were like, you know, bashing some

610
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 2: the reporters, I heard the same stuff. I mean, he

611
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: can rub some of his teammates the wrong way, and

612
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: then you know, wanting to be a leader and not

613
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: showing up for and again it was voluntary, and he

614
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: made a point of bring that up, but saying things like,

615
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean this was on the record. I mean he

616
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: said this to me and Calvin Watkins when we were

617
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: standing at his locker during OTAs. He said, you know,

618
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: they don't pay me enough to be here. I'm like,

619
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: they pay you enough your rookie contract, and by the way,

620
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: you're looking to get your next deal. And so I

621
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: was a little shocked by that, but I also appreciated

622
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: that Micah will put his name to it. You know,

623
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: some of these guys will float it out there unnamed sources.

624
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: He says everything with his chest, and it reminds me

625
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: so much of you know, and I watch football back

626
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: in the nineties, guys said it with their chests, and

627
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys have gotten a little

628
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: bit more savvy over the years. But I can't knock

629
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: him for it. I mean, there was a couple of

630
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 2: years ago I think he it was I mean, not

631
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: to get too political, but it was during you know,

632
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: the Black Lives Matters and it was police and he

633
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: went on there and had something to say about, you know,

634
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: a police officer, and I remember saying something to him like,

635
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: it's your rookie year, he might want to be careful.

636
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: He he literally once again, was like, no, this is

637
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: how I feel about things. And so he talks the

638
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: way he talks in the media is the way he

639
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: talks to his coaches. And I thought it was really interesting.

640
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: Before we even got to camp, he said, you know,

641
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: him and Mike Zimmer had had very limited interaction because

642
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: he hadn't been there, and he said, Mike's gonna want

643
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: to do things his way. I'm going to want to

644
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: do things my way. And he goes, We're going to

645
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: have a compromising relationship. But I think what he meant

646
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: is like, you know, it's going to be a relationship

647
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: a compromise. But I'm like, it is going to be

648
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: compromised if you don't fall in line with Mike. But

649
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: I did learn from him at camp that him and

650
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: Mike are now doing morning breakfasts, which is what Dan

651
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: Quinn used to do, and Micah started bringing Trayvon Diggs in.

652
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: And so what I've learned with Micah is Micah and

653
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: I've been described this way from a mentor. They're like,

654
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: you're a golden retriever, Jane, Like you constantly need a

655
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: pat on your head. It says you've done a good job.

656
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: Like your tinkerbell you like die without applause, that's Micah.

657
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

658
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: And so I think as long as you understand the

659
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: psychology of Micah, and I've learned this new coaching staff

660
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: has tried to really tap into that, like going to

661
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: his training camps this offseason and getting to know him,

662
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: I think that you can have a very good relationship

663
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: as long as you can tap into that psychology and

664
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: that mentality of understanding what makes Micah.

665
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: Tig Yeah, and you can get away with annoying your

666
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: teammates a little bit, or taking stances or talking like

667
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: that when you're one of the greatest defensive players I've

668
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: ever seen enter the league. That's the thing is, like

669
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: I think people get it twisted a little bit. I

670
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't say he's underrated, but I've been doing this since

671
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: four and the list of defensive players that have entered

672
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: the league that have put up the first three years

673
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: that Michael Parsons has put up is probably a list

674
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: of like JJ Watt certainly, uh dreu reves not quite

675
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: as fast as start, but basically that's like, that's the area.

676
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, you know, he was a little slower out

677
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: the gates, a little slower, but Aaron Donald certainly. It's like,

678
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: those are the types of players we're talking about. And

679
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: so when you're that that good, you can get away

680
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: with it. I'm just I'm fascinated, Like, yeah.

681
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: Bring up point. I'm like, you also have to ask yourself, like,

682
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: if I'm Micah Parsons, why do I want to continue

683
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: to put some of these unnecessary treads on my tires? Right?

684
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: Like when we talk about the running back position, like

685
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: even if it's a goal line standard, mixing it up

686
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: or you know, like playing out of position, Like I

687
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: guess you could argue what is his more natural position

688
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: these days? But I felt like at times, and and

689
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: this is not just my observation, he would sort of

690
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: disappear at the end of the seasons, and that was

691
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: some of a knock that he was getting internally in

692
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: the building is like, where are you going? I think

693
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: he was sometimes getting worn out at that position, and

694
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna be what's going to be intriguing to

695
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: me is how does Mike manage it? It's almost like

696
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: a child that's like hyperactive, right, Like you love the energy,

697
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: you want to support that, but you also don't want

698
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: him to burn out, like about whatever their passion is.

699
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's if that's a thing

700
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: for Micah, but sometimes I I just wonder if you're

701
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: if you're trying to do too much. You know, it's

702
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: like what is it like jack of all trades, master

703
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: of none, Like if you truly want to be great

704
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: at something, should he be dispersing so much energy? I mean,

705
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: we've seen him line up at safety at times.

706
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Uh, he's been an off ball linebacker that that seems

707
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: like it's really going to be a thing this year. Yeah,

708
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: And I wasn't expecting to go this deep on Parsons,

709
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: but I find him fascinating and the way they're possibly

710
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: using him, that's another story that I think is going

711
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: to get a lot of attention once people see it

712
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: in the regular season that they really are planning to

713
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: use him as an off ball linebacker again, which I

714
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: thought was in the past. And I'm not necessarily saying

715
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: it's the wrong thing to do. I want to see

716
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: it first, but that could be I don't know if

717
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: that's adding pounding, like we'll see. I kind of trust

718
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer to use him creatively, but that's a sea

719
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: change from really where he's been the last couple of years,

720
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: which is, to me, the best pure just edge rusher

721
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL.

722
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: Well. And I think the other thing is last year

723
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: we saw that there were other guys that can get

724
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: to the quarterback. The one area that they really really

725
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: struggled with last year and they seem to do any

726
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: NFC just in general, is stopping the run. And so

727
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: I think that's been the biggest challenge for Mike Zimmer

728
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: is like, what is my best my best lineup, my

729
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: best mix of players on deep that's going to help

730
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: us stop the run because that has truly been an

731
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: Achilles hill. And when you look, you know, when you

732
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: look right now with the Eagles getting Saquon Barkley, and

733
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: I don't think you have too much story about with

734
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: the Giants. I mean, knock on what. I just don't

735
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: feel like they've got a lot of debt there Washington.

736
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: But again it's the forty nine ers every year. I

737
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: mean Christian McCaffrey, Like, how are you going to slow

738
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: him down? And so when I just when I look

739
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: around the league and some of the games that really

740
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: trip the Cowboys up, it was that that is an area.

741
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: And they'll tell you that, like, that's an area they

742
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: have to shore up. And so I'm just wondering if

743
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: they're trying to figure out ways that you could better

744
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: utilize Micah, Like, if you've got other guys getting to

745
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 2: the quarterback, can he help you stop the run better?

746
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you mentioned marsha On Neiland. That was their

747
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: I believe second round pick. He looks like he's probably

748
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: going to start at edge and they draft just help

749
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: stop the run. I'm gonna leave you with this, and

750
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: I know this is tricky. You are the NFL network

751
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: reporter covering the Cowboys, but I have you in this

752
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: role as an analyst. They won't hear this. You mentioned

753
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. They play the forty nine ers

754
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. There's a couple of primetime games. I

755
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: think that's Week eight. They have a couple of tricky

756
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: primetime games. They also have a Monday night football game

757
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: against the Texans, who I know Jerry would hate to

758
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: lose to in a big spot kind of Texas. Yeah,

759
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: sneaky rivalry. Their schedules actually quite easy down the stretch,

760
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: that's where they have a lot of those Giants and

761
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: Commanders and Panthers games. But before that, it's pretty it's

762
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: pretty challenging. And so if in either of those games

763
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: they come out of it like five hundred or worse,

764
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: like the season is not going well and you lose

765
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: in a big spot to the forty nine ers or

766
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: you lose in a big spot. This is I think

767
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: Week eleven to the Texans. Mike McCarthy obviously brought back

768
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: this year, but uncertain about, you know, his contractual future, Like, well,

769
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: what are the odds this something could happen here with

770
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: with Mike Karthy? Do you think if things aren't going

771
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: well during the season.

772
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think the only time that they've the

773
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: only time they made a switch what mid season would

774
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 2: have been. It would have been Jason Garrett taking over

775
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: for uh. Was it Campo.

776
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: I think so, but or was it?

777
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 5: No?

778
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: It was oh, what's his face?

779
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips.

780
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 2: Wade Phillips. Yeah, that was the only time they made

781
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: a switch mid season, and I know Jerry's not like

782
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 2: a huge fan of that. So even when Mike Nolan

783
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: in that defense was really really struggling. Mike McCarthy's year.

784
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: The reason why I was told the Cowboys got so

785
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: mad at me for putting that report out was that

786
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: they were considering making a switch to George Edwards and

787
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: then ultimately they didn't. That was the only time they've

788
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 2: actually even gotten rid of a coach after one year.

789
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: I think Jerry will play it out regardless. I don't

790
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: see that making that kind of switch. I'm I mean,

791
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: they know what they're getting out of Mike Zamma, right,

792
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: You've seen him as a head coach, You've seen them

793
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: as your defensive coordinator. I just I would be shocked

794
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: if they did that.

795
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair and it's an easy Like I said

796
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: the end of the night, I.

797
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: Think it's fair to say that Mike McCarthy in his

798
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: final year of his contract, you continue to lose to

799
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, you know, especially with you know,

800
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: how they've overcome. I still think a lot of people

801
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: want to, you know, knock Mike McCarthy. I still argue

802
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 2: that despite injuries and some of the setbacks over the years,

803
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: you still got what two thirteen win seasons and you

804
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: bait's the playoffs. It's just how they lose in the

805
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: playoffs that you find yourself going, well, how how much

806
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,959
Speaker 2: longer are we going to waste some of the talent

807
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: on this roster and you're already seeing some of the

808
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: you know, some of the roosters coming home that you've

809
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: got to figure out to pay because they're getting long

810
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: in the tooth and so right, good up, soundly Jerry

811
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: Jones there with some of my uh my ISM's there.

812
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I truly, I truly think that

813
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: Mike's gonna have to get one from the forty nine

814
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: ers here. And it's just that is just that is

815
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: not that he has just not done well against them

816
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: or the Packers for that matter.

817
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: Remember his first yeah that was.

818
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: With the Packers and then collapses to the Packers and

819
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: young Jordan love to go home this year.

820
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just need someone else to take out the

821
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: forty nine ers for them. But that that's I just

822
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: looked at that schedules like, oh, these primetime games are

823
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: in very interesting spots. It's a it's a fascinating season.

824
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 5: I know.

825
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: You know fans who think the Cowboys get a little

826
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: too much shine on on ESPN and NFL Network, like

827
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: this isn't a good season for you because McCarthy in

828
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: the final year of his contract, Dak in the final

829
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: year of his contract, Like, it's a real thing. Dak

830
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: might be uh, the most highly sought after free agent

831
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: quarterback ever in a year from now. I wouldn't bet

832
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: against it. I also wouldn't bet against Jane Slater, you know,

833
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: leading leading the reporters and coverage as she's covering all

834
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: this from around the Texas area. And I know they

835
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: have you on other teams too. It was a play,

836
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: Jane having you on NFL Daily. We will have to

837
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: do it again. Welcome back to NFL Daily. Very excited

838
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: to welcome my next guest. He does a great job

839
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: over there at Arrowhead Pride. It is Pete Sweeney, one

840
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: of the best Chiefs reporters, writers analysts in the business.

841
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's coming to us live from Chiefs training camp.

842
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Welcome Pete.

843
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, Greg.

844
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 4: Loved the old show, you know, for a long time,

845
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 4: excited about the new show. I like that your every

846
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 4: day now right. I'm sure the workload is interesting, but

847
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 4: I've enjoyed it coming back and forth from Saint Joe

848
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 4: about our north of Kansas City.

849
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 5: So I've been making that commute.

850
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah that's tricky. Yeah, daily, it's different, but you know what,

851
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: it gives us a little extra breathing room some to

852
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: dive into teams. I feel like have been underserved on

853
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: the podcast. And it's crazy, but I kind of think

854
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have not been talked about that much. I

855
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just nationally, whether we're sick of

856
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: them or it's just like, Okay, here they come again.

857
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: I remember this as a Patriots fan. There was certainly

858
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: fatigue in certain years, and yeah, I feel like the

859
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: Chiefs they're always different, and yet this is a year

860
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: they're kind of slipping under the radar a little bit.

861
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk to you. Well, the first

862
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to ask you because you have the

863
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: privilege to just like watch Patrick Mahomes every day of

864
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: his career, which is just crazy, especially in this training

865
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: camp set, Like what's different, Like, what do you see

866
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes twenty twenty four maybe that you haven't

867
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: seen before?

868
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's wild, you know, covering him now

869
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: since twenty eighteen, how normal some place you see at

870
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 4: practice have become in an odd way. I mean I

871
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 4: started in fourteen, so I got to cover Alex Smith

872
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 4: and obviously was very different. But now you go to

873
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: practice and you know, you see him curl a side

874
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: arm around a tackle and it isn't something that you're like.

875
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 5: Well, what a play like? It almost is like a

876
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 5: normal thing.

877
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: But that's just the product of the situation and one

878
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 4: of the greatest athletes we've ever seen. And you know,

879
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 4: one of the things that you try to always ask,

880
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 4: especially with this coaching staff, is how do you coach that?

881
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 4: Like how do you challenge him to get better? And

882
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 4: it's funny. We had a chance to talk to offensive

883
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: coordinator Matt Naggie today and I remember earlier in the offseason.

884
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: You know, you ask, you know, what what is he

885
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 4: working on this year?

886
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 5: And it's always.

887
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 4: For him a little bit of the footwork, staying in structure,

888
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: because I think he always has that natural tendency to

889
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: get out of structure. One of the points for him

890
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 4: this year was a depth of dropback right and especially

891
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 4: when now you're dealing with a rookie left tackle, that's

892
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 4: going to be more important, especially at the beginning of

893
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 4: the season now than ever, you know, in a sense.

894
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 5: And so it's.

895
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 4: Something where it is interesting because you know, I think

896
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 4: a lot of us realize and where you are and incrastination,

897
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 4: and you know, in Kansas City quite obviously like this

898
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 4: is one of the greatest athletes of all time. But

899
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: what makes him consistently great is he is always trying

900
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: to ask these coaches what he can work on. And

901
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 4: so that's been a point of emphasis for him. A

902
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 4: little bit tougher to see that aspect when you're going

903
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 4: against your own team and it's a practice kind of

904
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 4: designed for you. And so we'll learn, you know, more

905
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: that I think as the season goes along. But even still,

906
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 4: like even if he's bad at that, I mean, you're

907
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 4: still probably looking at like three touchdowns in two hundred

908
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: and eighty yards in a bad game, and so it's crazy,

909
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: it's it's it's become the norm, and I think he

910
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: looks for anything to be motivated by you know, you know,

911
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: it's something where I can't believe the Raiders did the

912
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 4: thing with the puppet that end of the day.

913
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: I mean that was a fan. He was set up

914
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: to fail. A fan brought it in and he gave

915
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: him the puppet.

916
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 4: You know, you like the NFL Top one hundred with

917
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of people respect Pat now is

918
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 4: like the best in the game. But you can tell

919
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: that he's always like when he's asked about these things,

920
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 4: he's checking them because it's it's any motivation for him.

921
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you've watched this offense evolve. It really changes

922
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: year by year. This is a team that tends to

923
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: address things in all at once in bulk, whether it's

924
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: the offensive line or at one point their pass rush.

925
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: And now you know, the emphasis this offseason has been

926
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: apparently on the deep ball, like they it's been there

927
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: at practice. It certainly was there with the personnel acquisitions.

928
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: We know Marque's Hollywood Brown might not be ready for

929
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: a Week one, but have you seen difference in how

930
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: the offense is running things in practice?

931
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: Well, what has been interesting about that is, you know,

932
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 4: the grand story of the Chiefs coming into the preseason

933
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 4: in training camp, was this idea that they were going

934
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: to throw the ball down the field more and asking

935
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 4: Andy Reid, like, you know, what are you guys working

936
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 4: on that?

937
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 5: That's different?

938
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 4: And his point was, you know when they're not working

939
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 4: on the ravens, which you can tell they are sometimes

940
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 4: doing that, especially you know when they have the defense

941
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: out there and the quarterback is scrambling and not throwing

942
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: as much, but you know when they are working on

943
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 4: the offense, Andy Reed has kind of said, we have

944
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 4: similar stuff that we've always had, but now Mahomes is

945
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 4: seeing that his targets are getting separation, and I think

946
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 4: from stemming from that, we're seeing them throw the ball

947
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 4: down the field more. You know, there certainly has been

948
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: an emphasis on the eleven personnel with the three wide

949
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 4: receivers before Brown got hurt. And that's what's the new

950
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 4: buzz story right now in Kansas City is just this

951
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 4: idea that it was going to be so exciting where

952
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 4: and you saw it in the preseason game where by

953
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 4: design it was going to be Rice and Brown and

954
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 4: Worthy and now you know you're taking a back seat

955
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 4: to that, like in practice today with Brown out of

956
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: the mix.

957
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: It was justin Watson. We saw in the game that

958
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 5: it was sky Moore.

959
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: These are fine players, but not the the speed that

960
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 4: we were looking for the Chiefs to lean back into

961
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 4: like they were more so like in the twenty eighteen season.

962
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: And so I think it's trying to make sure if

963
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 4: you're two really tough opponents to start the year, get by,

964
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 4: you know, grid out those wins without this speed. This

965
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: return to the quote unquote legion a zoom that they

966
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 4: were looking for. And then maybe you see that with

967
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: the timeline in week three, Week four.

968
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I hadn't heard Legion a zom yet. Yeah, that's good.

969
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the thing. When Hollywood Brown is

970
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: back out there, if they are healthy, that the closer

971
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: we get to the season, the less I'm expecting a

972
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: Rashi Rice suspension. I just I just think if it

973
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: was going to happen, it would have happened by now.

974
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, this this group ranks like with any weapons

975
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: group that he's had. If you're getting a good year

976
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: out of Kelsey and that three receiver group, that is

977
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: more than enough weapons. I feel like there's almost not

978
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: any tangible reasons. There's not many to not believe in

979
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. But if I was looking for intangible reasons,

980
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: and I think in tangible's matter, because I mean, they

981
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: kind of won the Super Bowl on some level off intangibles.

982
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 1: They weren't the best team in the NFL last year.

983
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: They certainly weren't the best offense in the NFL and

984
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: not the best offense Mahomes has had, and yet they

985
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: went through one of the toughest gauntlets any playoff team

986
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: has literally ever had. So that that was intangiles. And

987
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: so the intangiles I look to and tell me which

988
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: one you think is a bigger concern to you? Number

989
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: one would just be the three P. Like the weight

990
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: of it all. There's a reason why it's never happened before,

991
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: and teams usually haven't even gotten that close, or just

992
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: the defense regressing a little to the mean as great

993
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: as Steve Spagnolo is and they're always peeking late. You know,

994
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 1: there are year end rankings and efficiency haven't been outstanding

995
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: every year. Last year was the year that kind of

996
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere, and the personnel looks good. But

997
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: which which would you be more worried about? Kind of

998
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: just the weight of it all, the three P and

999
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: not having fun maybe doing that or the defense maybe

1000
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: coming back to earth.

1001
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I would say the latter more so

1002
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: than the former. The defense, the defense was so damn

1003
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 4: good last year. I mean it really was. And you know,

1004
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 4: now you have an injury to Charles Menu, you who

1005
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 4: is a big part of that, especially you know when

1006
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: he was able to get back some from suspension, and

1007
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: you know, compile all those sacks as the ACL in

1008
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: the AFC title, and I think he's going to be

1009
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: a big player that the Chiefs are missing. You trade

1010
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: away Lagarious Sneed. I think we all knew it was

1011
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 4: you either got to keep Lagarious Sneed or Chris Jones.

1012
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 4: You know, you goud have to make that choice. Stand

1013
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 4: Chris Jones, and you understand why, you know, you say

1014
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: it all the time, like there's not as many dominant

1015
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 4: defensive tackles in the NFL. That's such a luxury to have.

1016
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 4: And I think the Chiefs realized that. And they've been

1017
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 4: very good at at drafting corners, certainly in the first

1018
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 4: round with first team All Pro Trent McDuffie. But even

1019
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 4: on the day three picks, like Sneid was a Day

1020
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 4: three pick. They just got this kid, Jayden Hicks, who

1021
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 4: has looked really good in training camp. But I think

1022
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 4: when you think about replacing Lagerius Snead who was very,

1023
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: very very good, and you look at these younger players,

1024
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 4: this is been an underrated storyline that you know, not

1025
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 4: a lot of people would realize they've been looking for

1026
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 4: when Steed was here, a third cornerback to step up,

1027
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: you know, for a while now it was it's between

1028
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 4: these two again, Day three guys, Joshua Williams and Jalen Watson,

1029
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 4: and over the years, like no one has really been

1030
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 4: able to claim it.

1031
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 5: It's been more of a rotation thing.

1032
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: Dave Merritt, the defensive backs coach, has been forward and

1033
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 4: saying like we've.

1034
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 5: Been waiting for one of these guys to step up.

1035
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 4: Now Sneed's gone, right, so now you have to have

1036
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: one of these guys step up. Trent McDuffie, it seems

1037
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: like he's all world, you know, slam dunk first round pick.

1038
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 5: But which of these guys is going to do it?

1039
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 5: You know?

1040
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: And I tend to think they are not confident in

1041
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 4: either one of those guys. I actually think they're most

1042
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 4: confident in seventh rounder Nazi Johnson, but he's had trouble

1043
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 4: staying on the field last year. He was going to

1044
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 4: trump both Williams and Watson for that final cornerback position,

1045
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 4: and it was a rainy day here in Saint Joe.

1046
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: The Chiefs had to go indoor on the turf, the

1047
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 4: enemy of all football players and Nazi Johnson tears his

1048
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 4: ACL and he's mix out of the mix. He misses

1049
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: the entire season when he's been out here, and he

1050
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 4: had a little bit of a hamstring.

1051
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 5: Issue a couple of weeks ago.

1052
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 4: He's been very, very good, and it's tough to be

1053
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 4: good in this camp because we know about the prolific offense,

1054
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: and so when he's staying with these receivers, who you

1055
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: know are some of the better, speedier receivers in the NFL,

1056
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 4: you know you're seeing okay. You know, maybe they're going

1057
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 4: to be okay without a ledgarious sneed. But it's been

1058
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 4: tough for him to stay on the field. And I

1059
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 4: just want to make a comment about the former and

1060
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: the motivation thing.

1061
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 5: I think you're right.

1062
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 4: And again, I know this is a podcast at all

1063
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 4: NFL fans listen to, so I'll keep the Mahomes love

1064
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 4: at a minimum, But man, like ten minutes after they

1065
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: won the Super Bowl, he was on the stage with

1066
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 4: Chris Jones. He was miked up because NFL Films done

1067
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 4: such a good job with that stuff. And the first

1068
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 4: thing he says is I want the three peat dog.

1069
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 4: This was no joke less than fifteen minutes after they

1070
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: had won it. And so I just think he's trying

1071
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: to make sure that everyone is motivated and knows like

1072
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 4: this is a real shot at history. Not to say

1073
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 4: that you just throw away the fatigue and all that,

1074
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 4: but I think when you have him as a leader,

1075
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 4: that's why I would say there's any questions. It's like

1076
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 4: the defense certainly taking a step back from I believe

1077
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 4: they were number two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that they've embraced it, that they haven't

1079
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: been like the Patriots who are like, we're not defending everything.

1080
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: Everything's starting over because it's just going to be so hard.

1081
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: And you hear it at the end. You hear it

1082
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: at the end of the Nuggets, you know, defense of

1083
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: their championship this year, just like, yeah, we didn't tell y'all,

1084
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: like put man that weight on us after it. And

1085
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 1: I've seen it with the Patriots. We've seen in NFL

1086
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: history with the Cowboys back in the day, certainly the

1087
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, and it's different. And can you get

1088
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: the buying and everyone to just want it that bad?

1089
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: If any team could do it, like this is it?

1090
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I tried to come up with, like what's

1091
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: the thing that's going to get in their way the most?

1092
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: And yeah, the cornerback battle is interesting. And yet the

1093
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: two of those guys have been playing significant snaps in

1094
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. And you know, they've won the Super

1095
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: Bowl off their defense last year, certainly off their offense

1096
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: the year before. They have a new you know, left tackle.

1097
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: We don't need to go into it too much. He's

1098
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: the second round pick, though, Kingsley sua mattea, so that

1099
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: you know that's a question mark. But that's that's one

1100
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: offensive lineman out of out of five and the other

1101
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: four are are good. And and I like the pass rush,

1102
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: Like I love this linebacker group with Drew Tranquell and

1103
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton and Leo Chanel. Like the roster is about

1104
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: as good, I think, on balance, as it's been in

1105
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: the Chiefs era. So like, I'm not even going to

1106
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: go logical in terms of like things that would get

1107
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: in the way I want you to tell me something

1108
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: you've been excited about. What's something that you're there every

1109
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: single day, you're driving an hour that they're at old school,

1110
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: there's still like you're doing this from what college? Is

1111
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: it exactly like in.

1112
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 5: Or Western State University?

1113
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1114
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was a funny anecdote.

1115
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 4: Like early on in camp, Travis Kelcey was brought to

1116
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 4: the ponium and one of the things that he said

1117
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: really struck me because I've been covering him about the

1118
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: same time. He's like, yeah, this is year twelve for me.

1119
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 4: That means I've spent an entire year in a college

1120
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: dorm in my twenties and thirty. So Andy Reid loves it,

1121
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 4: and you know what, it's hard to argue with three

1122
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 4: super Bowls in five years. And like, I think what

1123
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 4: he really likes about it more than anything is like

1124
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 4: the players eat right downstairs. You know all their meals,

1125
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: all three meals. You know that you hang out, there's

1126
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 4: no distractions for the older guys who might have kids

1127
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 4: at home. You know where you're able to focus on

1128
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: on football. And I think they leave a little bit

1129
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 4: closer And I know that it's becoming less and less

1130
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 4: popular but Andy Reid seems to believe in it.

1131
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have longer practices In generals, they've always

1132
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: been a hard practicing team and it's working out. What Yeah,

1133
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: what's something there? Carson Steele is this He's fullback who

1134
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: got noticed but nationally over the you know, first preseason

1135
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: week for some great runs. It sounds like he's going

1136
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: to make that team. Xavier Worthies obviously had at a

1137
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: good first training camp. Sounds like he's stepped right into

1138
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: that role. Maybe just something that you've been there day

1139
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: to day that's surprised you. Impressed you the most.

1140
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 5: In recent days.

1141
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 4: Arson Steele, undrafted free agent at a UCLA, has really,

1142
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: I think been the greatest riser of training camp. I

1143
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 4: just got out of practice a couple hours ago, and

1144
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 4: in this particular look, he was taking all of the

1145
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 4: second snaps after Isaiah Pacheco. You know, we had seen

1146
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 4: that from Darren Erik Prince earlier on in training camp

1147
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 4: and Clyde Edwards. Ailaire has been in and out with illness.

1148
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 4: It's kind of a serious matter. He revealed that he's

1149
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: been dealing with some PTSD stemming from a situation in college.

1150
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 4: And you know, you wish him the best, but the

1151
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 4: reality is in the football field, it's opened the door

1152
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 4: for other guys to get more opportunities. So then Erik

1153
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 4: Prince is trying to win a position. You could tell

1154
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 4: he's gotten a little bit better in the pass protection.

1155
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 4: But Carson Steele, you know, I think he really wasn't

1156
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 4: going to make the team. You know, when he entered camp,

1157
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 4: I thought practice squad was probably his best hope. He

1158
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 4: was able to capture the attention. You watch all the

1159
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 4: preseason games. You saw the play where he was bouncing

1160
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 4: off the defenders, and Andy Reid really likes him as

1161
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 4: a runner. And what I'm starting to think is now

1162
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 4: that he's starting to get these second reps, is you know,

1163
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: maybe like a spellback slash fullback, could it open up

1164
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 4: the door for the Chiefs to keep three running backs?

1165
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 4: Like I sat here today and I did another fifty

1166
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 4: three and one of the things I wrote was, I'm

1167
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 4: more sure right now that Carson Steel's going to make

1168
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: the roster than I am Prince or Clyde. Like I

1169
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 4: think they know, and I'll think I think they'll keep

1170
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 4: a Pacheco obviously, I think Steel will be on the roster.

1171
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 4: Do they need both Prince and Clyde if you're keeping

1172
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 4: you know those guys, and you know they have they

1173
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 4: have seven receivers they can keep. You know, they're probably

1174
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 4: thinking about nine or ten offensive lineman and so, you know,

1175
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 4: roster construction, you got to make these tough decisions. I

1176
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 4: just think Steel has been such a surprise out of

1177
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: the woodwork, and he's a really you know, likable guy.

1178
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 4: Andy Reid seems to really love him. And now it's

1179
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 4: a matter of how does that impact the final fifty

1180
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 4: three And it's going to be an interesting August twenty seventh.

1181
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: That's wild, Like Carson Steele could be getting drafted in

1182
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: your deeper fantasy leagues, Like, listen to this man, that's awesome.

1183
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: This this team is crazy. You know, I'd love to

1184
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: see some new blood, but I also would love to

1185
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: see I still just know that the Chiefs are going

1186
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: to be there at the end. And the NFL is

1187
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: better when the best player that I've ever seen is

1188
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: there at the end. And it's going to take like

1189
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: a great effort to knock this team off. And yeah,

1190
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: the season starts tough with the Ravens and the Bengals,

1191
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: but overall, this is you know, one of the softest

1192
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: divisions in the NFL other than the Chiefs, especially if

1193
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert doesn't get healthy. So yeah, I feel like that's.

1194
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 5: What Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes can agree on.

1195
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 4: Right, They were able to have these divisions where you know,

1196
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 4: you're looking at five six wins off the bat. Yeah,

1197
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: until these guys get quarterbacks, you know.

1198
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: And see I always push back though, because everyone's like

1199
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, they had a

1200
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: better winning percentage out of the division in that whole

1201
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: run than ever in it. You know, they just like

1202
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, they beat everyone.

1203
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 5: Ryan he had his year.

1204
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rex, Rex had his moments. The Dolphins always gave

1205
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: Belichick trouble no matter who was the coach for whatever reason.

1206
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Pete. We're gonna fly up by the way

1207
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: a graphic. We're wrapping up this show. But we just

1208
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: hit two more teams, Cowboys and the Chiefs, and yeah,

1209
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: we're trying to do a deep dive on every team.

1210
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: We're getting through them. We've highlighted them and we are

1211
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: now through eight teams. And so we did the Chiefs

1212
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys today and we will still keep cranking.

1213
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: Tell us who you want to hear from it, except

1214
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: for your own team. Everyone always wants to hear about

1215
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: their own team. Appreciate you, Pete, and we'll hopefully talk

1216
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: to you again down the line. Check out his coverage,

1217
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: the great daily recaps that you have on Twitter, but

1218
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: obviously everything at Arrowhead Nation podcast. Everything is going on.

1219
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: We will be back. I'm really excited about Thursday show.

1220
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf back in the studio, Patrick Clayband also there.

1221
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Speaker 1: That's going to be a fun one. Until next time,

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