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Speaker 1: At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolli and

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Speaker 2: he is the Matt Williamson. And uh, well it's Ravens week, Mac.

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Speaker 3: It's Ravens week officially. Officially, let's go. Time to move

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Speaker 3: on from what happened over the weekend and dig into

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Speaker 3: the Ravens. That's what matters most. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, a lot of people commenting, you know, you guys

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Speaker 2: are talking enough about the loss and film the lost

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Speaker 2: in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: Is it's over?

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Speaker 2: We both expected it. Yeah, it's not like it was something.

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Speaker 2: You know, So you move on and it's one game, uh,

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Speaker 2: and you move on from it, and you've got a

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Speaker 2: big one this week. You know, in the grand scheme

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Speaker 2: of things, that lost to the Eagles does nothing in

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Speaker 2: terms of your playoff hopes or.

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Speaker 3: Anything like that. You know it.

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Speaker 2: It's an NFC loss, Yeah, NFC loss. Looking at head

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Speaker 2: to the game against the Ravens. The Steelers had a

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Speaker 2: walk through practice today.

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Speaker 3: And hard to judge those for participation and stuff, you know, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But there were guys out there doing stuff, and there's

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Speaker 2: plenty of video out there of you know, George Pickens

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Speaker 3: You can see t J.

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Speaker 2: Watt on the field, you see Larry Ogan, Joeby on

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Speaker 2: the field, all that stuff. So the guys that they

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Speaker 2: listed as did not participate today because you got to

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Speaker 2: listen to something in the estimated walkthrough. Justin Field's Patrick Queen,

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Speaker 2: he was resting. I guess I was tired, too tired

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Speaker 2: to walk through Cam Hayward, George Pickens, to Shawn Elliott,

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Speaker 3: But the basics of it sounds like everyone's doing something

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Speaker 3: or resting because they usually rest earlier in the week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would expect pretty much all those guys to

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Speaker 3: Something sounded like it from tomins press conference and all

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Speaker 3: the buzz is they should be full.

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Speaker 2: Go yeah, and you know again people are arguing back

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Speaker 2: and forth about that. You know, do you do you

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Speaker 2: play your guys in this game if they're if they're

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Speaker 2: you know eight, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have a

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Speaker 2: chance to win the division this weekend.

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Speaker 3: I mean, other than a playoff game. I think this

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Speaker 3: is as important a game as you get for the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you win the division, you've you've already clinched

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Speaker 2: a playoffs. Well, now you've won the division. That's the

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Speaker 2: second thing you want to check off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And in terms of banged up dudes, once

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Speaker 3: you win this one, then it's a conversation. Then you

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Speaker 3: can have the conver do we shut them down and

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Speaker 3: fighting a knee for a month and a half, you know,

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Speaker 3: let's give them a week? Okay? Perfect, you know, if

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Speaker 3: we can handle it. It's all the division crown under

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Speaker 3: in our great grasp here. That's the most important thing

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Speaker 3: to deal with in the regular season.

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Speaker 2: That guarantees you a home at least one home game.

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Speaker 3: Seating is important, But I mean I want win the division,

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Speaker 2: I mean the one that really matters is the being

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Speaker 2: seated first, since they've done away with the second team

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Speaker 2: getting a bye.

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Speaker 3: Two verse three. I don't know that I would like,

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Speaker 3: we'll get way ahead of ourselves. You gotta beat the

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Speaker 3: Ravens for any of these kinds of conversations. But I

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Speaker 3: don't know that I would put injured guys out there

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Speaker 3: we're in a game like this. I need you all.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's all all bands on deck. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Now that being said, the Steelers can still win the

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Speaker 3: If they win their final two games and the Ravens don't,

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Speaker 3: they could win out.

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Speaker 2: And they can win out and it doesn't matter the.

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Speaker 3: Raven I mean, so if we're sitting from a Raven perspective,

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Speaker 2: So you know, again, the Steelers control their own fate

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Speaker 2: you don't take this. You know, if you have the

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Speaker 2: end it end now, you can make those decisions down

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Speaker 3: Let's say, almost who gets injured in this upcoming game? Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that you know can affect things. You just don't

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Speaker 2: know how it's going to play out. So do it

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Speaker 3: Can absolutely no. I would put all systems go on

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Speaker 3: think that's why Pickins and Ogin Jobi and those guys

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Speaker 3: If it was man, if they steps wrong, he might

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Speaker 3: I need you for Ravens. This is what we're gearing

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Speaker 2: This is what you're needed for. The Ravens are an

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Speaker 2: interesting dynamic here. Because I was doing some digging today, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I did a bunch. Lamar Jackson went pressured forty nine

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Speaker 3: It's stark difference. Stark difference, and it's complettion percentage overall

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Speaker 2: Because most teams don't pressure him, you know, to the degree,

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Speaker 3: Right and we were briefly talking right before we hit

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Wow, he's that strong against the blitz. Wow,

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Speaker 3: let me double check this. I thought I read this earlier,

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Speaker 3: went and looked. They're the most blitzed offense in the league.

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Speaker 3: You know, like, are the other defensive coordinators not getting

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Speaker 2: But I think they don't want him back there just

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Speaker 3: It is the eep them bundled.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, the next two teams that they face,

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Speaker 3: For sure. What was I gonna say with that? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Things have changed in the Lamar cycle, and obviously some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know that that's gonna be the interesting

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Speaker 2: He can by time when he's pressured. His time to

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Speaker 3: I bet there's a handful of them that are like five.

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Speaker 2: His a dot when pressured is deep. Like when he

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Speaker 3: No, he's looking for a home maybe, you know, like scramble, drill,

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Speaker 3: go deep, don't come back to me. I'll find you.

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Speaker 3: You just keep going and take it to the house.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get big plays here because no one's gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty hard to run around with Lamar back there

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Speaker 3: And it's always been strong. Yeah, obviously during the Wadiere

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Speaker 3: You're going to keep in just you know, smother and

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Speaker 2: It's worked out well, Yeah, this is in a game.

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Speaker 3: They don't do a lot of twists and stunts and

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Speaker 2: It's all and if you are going to do that,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it still makes it tough. I mean, as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what Mike Tomlin was talking about

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Speaker 2: Now, I will say this, the last time they played

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Speaker 3: I know Andrews started a season really slow and likely

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's why when people talk about Maker's having a

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Speaker 2: You take the will be away and that's his guy.

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Speaker 3: They grew up together. I mean, and when he was

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Speaker 3: I mean those last two games you referend, fifty percent

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Speaker 2: This pass game earlier this season it was two catches

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know, well, I would say he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, he's the woobie. Yeah, and I mean

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Speaker 2: He's never scored down. He's never scored a touchdown against

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Speaker 3: Really, Okay, that surprising? Yeah, Oh so how many games?

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Speaker 3: You know why the Steelers playing so much better, Well,

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Speaker 2: It largely has been anyways in terms.

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Speaker 3: Of doesn't work way. It doesn't work up a great

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Speaker 3: Pro Football Focus grade or interceptions when the quarterback looks

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.

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Speaker 2: That means that the quarterback thought the guy was open.

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Speaker 2: They don't throw it unless they think the guy is open.

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Speaker 3: Like, I had conversations my buddy is about to Steelers

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Speaker 2: their trolling. They were trolling last week as well. You

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Speaker 3: The Yeah, they're a really good team.

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Speaker 2: These guys don't know what you're talking about. Well, thank you, okay. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: continuing with the Ravens here, of course, the Steelers just

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Speaker 2: they played the Steelers that week. Actually they kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a little banged up for that game

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Speaker 2: And they put him in center field more.

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Speaker 3: Yes, which he's really good at. Yeah, that's much more

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Speaker 3: he's kind of just filling in.

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Speaker 2: He plays outside, they two corners on the field, then

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which makes all the sense in the world too.

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Speaker 3: His name is Washington, right, who replaced Darius. Washington's small,

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Speaker 3: But over the last five weeks they've only allowed three,

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Speaker 3: They lost all those coaches. Maybe that was part of

438
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,960
Speaker 3: Williams problem as the deep middle guy, not you know,

439
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,080
Speaker 3: communicating well enough or recognizing things well enough, or maybe

440
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 3: just getting him out of there at his age.

441
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,159
Speaker 2: Might be involved with who they were playing to Oh.

442
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,879
Speaker 3: No question, no question. But he went from last to first.

443
00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they played the Chargers. They're not a big

444
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,719
Speaker 2: deep passing team. No, no, no, Giants are terrible. The Giants

445
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 2: had you and me at quarterback, and they played the Eagles,

446
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 2: who weren't throwing the ball deep at all at that point. No,

447
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 2: they didn't need to right right in that game.

448
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's definitely a factor. But I do think

449
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 3: that two of the huge problems that I expected them

450
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 3: to correct, one of which they did, and that is

451
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,400
Speaker 3: just communication on the back end. Maybe it's never gonna

452
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 3: be perfect, but penalties are the other one. Penalties is

453
00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 3: still they were highly penalized agains the Giants coming out of.

454
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 2: The boy Brandon Stevens, Yeah is grabby. Uh, he just

455
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 2: he's not he's grabbing. He's not good. Yeah, like you

456
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 2: can have Joey Porter Jr. Is good, but we'll get grab.

457
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 3: Penalties, right. Yeah's need and some of the other.

458
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 2: Which is why Mike Tomlin can live with those because

459
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 2: if he's again, if the quarterback's looking there, I can't

460
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 2: throw it there because the guy's covered.

461
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 3: All right, you can live get a penalty of game.

462
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 3: I'll live with it, yeah, right.

463
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,640
Speaker 2: Whereas Stevens, he just isn't real good and.

464
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 3: He's been grabbing because he gets beat. Yeah, you know,

465
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 3: I which is a totally different and.

466
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 2: He's he's he's basically playing out of position. He's not cornerback.

467
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 2: He's a safety playing cornerback. I'm not sure he's either.

468
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he's he's he is, but i

469
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: mean just his if you look at his background, he

470
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 3: was a running back for most of his life, and

471
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 3: then they took him as a project and basically red

472
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 3: shirted him. And it's kind of worked out. I mean,

473
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 3: he starts. I mean, so it doesn't. I'm not saying stinks,

474
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 3: but it was kind of an odd progression of how he,

475
00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 3: you know, got to where he is.

476
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: So target him m hm.

477
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,959
Speaker 3: And the rookie can be beat too, I mean Wiggins.

478
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't shy away from him.

479
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 3: No, right, right, he's still learning.

480
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: The other big change that they made, and this was

481
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: more something coming out of the bye week, is they

482
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: bench Simpson.

483
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the linebacker replaces Queen.

484
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: He played five defensive snaps last week and that was

485
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 2: all after the game was settled.

486
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: They played Chris Board. I know nothing about them. I

487
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 3: mean I assumed a special.

488
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 2: Team, journeyman, special teams.

489
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 3: I've heard the name. I don't know much about him. Yeah, Yeah,

490
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 3: I don't think he's been a starter for much of

491
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 3: his career, that's for sure.

492
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a bigger guy. He's a bigger guy than Simpson.

493
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: And I think they they understood that if they're gonna

494
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: if they're gonna take Hamilton and put him back at

495
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 2: free safety, and you're gonna play a Darius Washington, who

496
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: is you know, move him down to the box. He's

497
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: not even one hundred and eighty pounds.

498
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of odd move.

499
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: You're getting a little light up front, and teams are

500
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 2: going to run the ball against you, so you better

501
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: have somebody who's more of a thumper in the middle.

502
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I do think part of the reason they

503
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 3: backed Hamilton back going back to the Steeler game was

504
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 3: because he's fighting some injuries too. Let's try to keep

505
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: something contact.

506
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 2: He's a six four guy, he's your best safety, you know, question.

507
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 3: He's a really good player. Back to Simpson, like the

508
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: year before he came out of Clemson, he was at

509
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 3: the top of all these draft lists, you know, unbelievable

510
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: athletes and all that stuff, which he is. And his

511
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 3: last year you keep seeing him drop down the board

512
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 3: and drop down the board. Then he goes to combine

513
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 3: and does really, really well. But the tape shows that

514
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 3: he's one of so many linebackers that are more athletes

515
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: than football player, at least at this stage of his career,

516
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And that showed, you know,

517
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: he makes a lot of the wrong reads. He gets

518
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 3: there fast, but not always the right place, and you know,

519
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 3: I or the with the shortest path, and so you

520
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 3: can see why let's just give me the the single.

521
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 3: You know, I don't need you know, Rokwan's fine in

522
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 3: the middle of field or just do your job and

523
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 3: we can live with that.

524
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: But they lose some athleticism, a lot of middle a

525
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: lot a lot.

526
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

527
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: So it brings me to one of my keys in

528
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: this game, will be identifying the situations when they have

529
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: our Darius Washington down in the box. And I'm kind of.

530
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: Built like a Mike Hilton. Yeah, you know, I mean

531
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 3: that's why, Yeah, that's why I thought he'd be in

532
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: the league. Is a true nickel.

533
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when he's down in the box and

534
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: Board is out there as well, I want to attack

535
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: the middle of the field.

536
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: A little bit because they got slower but more reliable,

537
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: but small, smaller. Yeah, you know, it's the two moves,

538
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 3: you know for sure. Yeah, I think you want Washington

539
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: taking on blocks even if he's your deep middle, which

540
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: happens at times pickens or receivers. Yeah, I mean I

541
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: want big bodies or fire moves, stretching the seam or

542
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: you know, people over six feet, over two hundred and

543
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: ten pounds, Yeah, going up and fighting him in the air.

544
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: For the because he's like a legit five foot eight yeah. Yeah,

545
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: Like he's tiny, he's a fighter. I mean he plays,

546
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: and he's athletic. Yeah yeah, he covers ground, but but

547
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: he just doesn't have.

548
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 3: A lot of ball. Yeah.

549
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: So I mean that's that's two things he is. You

550
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: have to recognize in this game. When when you see

551
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: hot Hamilton, deep doesn't doesn't mean they can't rotate it

552
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: to you know, to snap of the ball. But sure,

553
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: you know, if Hamilton's fifteen yards off the line of scrimmage,

554
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: I get to recognize that, you know, and and take

555
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: those shots.

556
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: I wonder if I'm them now, I assume they're looking

557
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: at this game like Pickens is gonna play. We're gonna

558
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 3: prepare as if Pickens is out there. But I also

559
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: think they have to recognize the Friar moose role has

560
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: grown even if Pickens would have been out there. We're

561
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: starting to grow anyways. Yeah, and the familiarities there. If

562
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 3: I were them, not every snap, but kind of like

563
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 3: Mink of the Andrews conversation, I would want Hamilton on

564
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: Friarmouth as much as I possibly could.

565
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get that, I.

566
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 3: Mean, but then he means it's not somewhere else.

567
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: If that means he's not over top, you know, right,

568
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: he's out he's out there, He's not over Pickens, right right, right,

569
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: And you're gonna leave Pickens one on one, you know,

570
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: with your help being a five foot eight.

571
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a red zone thing or something like that,

572
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, because I think that's your best

573
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 3: Friarmooth matchup.

574
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I just think you get to recognize

575
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: when when Hamilton is not in the box and whether

576
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: you run against that, Yeah, you know, try to run

577
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: at Washington those kind of things, because I can't imagine

578
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: he takes on blocks.

579
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: Real well, no, I don't think he does. And I

580
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: wonder is Mallets still playing? He must have gone he's

581
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 3: on ir okay as he banged up, say, because hump

582
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: you mentioned Humphrey went to the slot and those guys

583
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: are doing the Mallet stuff because I think people probably

584
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 3: remember previewing Ravens games of recent years, Hamilton or Mallett

585
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 3: would be the slot and there couldn't be more different.

586
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 3: But now they're not using Hamilton nearly as much as

587
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: the slot, if at all.

588
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he still does a little bit here and there,

589
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: probably when you know there's a tight end detached or

590
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: something like that, but it's Kelsey years, you know. Yeah,

591
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: but other than that, not not quite as much. They've

592
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: kind of settled on h Free is that guy, and

593
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: he's done that.

594
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: They haven't had the deep middle guy with Williams was

595
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: a guy they're counting them a lot of money. Yeah, yeah,

596
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: otherwise it's kind of gotten that stage of his career. Yeah.

597
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: So those are the two big changes I saw watching

598
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, this team on tape. They still do you know,

599
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: they bring PE's back and you still see a lot

600
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: of the nine guys. That's a line of scrimmage stuff

601
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 2: and then you got to figure out who's who's dropping out.

602
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do a lot of that too. They're blitzes

603
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 3: to me, aren't as disguised as they were with the

604
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: head coach of the Seahawks. Now you know, I mean

605
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: they're they do do a lot of that, a lot

606
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: of that, but they're they're getting the majority of their

607
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: pass rush production all from three guys. I mean, it's

608
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: it's O Way, it's Vany, and it's batabu Que. So

609
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: they they rushed past it pretty well. But they also

610
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 3: play the lead a lot. They forty four and that's

611
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: only behind the Broncos and Texans, and they only blitz

612
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 3: twenty one percent of the time, which is seventh lowest,

613
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 3: So they get a lot of sacks without blitzing. But

614
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: those forty four sacks, half of them are ye van

615
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: Noy who's got nine, Olways got eight, and Matty Bouquet's

616
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: got five. These are guys you're familiar with, and they're

617
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: good football players. But as much like if Kyle van

618
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: Noy was a lifetime stealer, they'd be a lot of

619
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: van Ney. Jersey's around, but I don't look at him

620
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: as like a a great edge rusher now, I mean

621
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: I look at him as an all around smart Belichick

622
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: jack of all trades, not an edge He's not Lawrence Taylor.

623
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not an edge bender. Yeah, he's smart

624
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: and he's technically sound. He's not a great athlete, he's

625
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: not super twitchy, he's not real bendy, you know, like

626
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: he's different than the Steelers edge guys. But he wouldn't

627
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: get more snaps than any of the top three.

628
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: Some of it too, with their pass rush gets there

629
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: because they are grabby in the secondary, and so that'll

630
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: be interesting to see how this game is officiated.

631
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: Even the signment.

632
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that visually comes out Tuesday, Tuesday Night or sometime

633
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: around there. But that's one of the reasons why they're

634
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 2: so highly penalized, right, A lot of those penalties Ravens

635
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: are in the second there.

636
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not sure who the all to blame,

637
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: but definitely Stevens. I think Wiggins has been high on

638
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: the list two as a rookie, so it has Humphrey.

639
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: They are all three of those guys the top, right, Yeah,

640
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: all three of those guys are are among the more

641
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: penalized defensive backs in the league.

642
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that makes sense. I mean the penalties

643
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: are definitely an issue with its team. Really from start

644
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: to finish the season, they've been the worst in the league. Yeah,

645
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: just penalties, taking yardage everything.

646
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: Because again, you know, if you're you're going to trust

647
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: your cornerbacks to I think they play that way kind

648
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: of do. Yeah, we want you guys to.

649
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: And I think some of the two was early on

650
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: communication issue. Oh I got him, you got them, Just

651
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: drag them the ground, you know, just save your stuff.

652
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So just things to keep an eye on there.

653
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Speaker 2: And I know, as soon as I put out the

654
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: the the whoever the matchup or whoever has the game

655
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: in this week, spare me the what Joey Porter better

656
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: watch himself this week.

657
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: Stuff.

658
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: It happens every week. Somebody thinks they're being clever. I'll

659
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: be the first person to you know, tweet this. I've

660
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: heard it all before, and everybody's heard it all before.

661
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: He takes a lot of penalties. I think we all

662
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: recognize that. It's not hard to figure out.

663
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not so anyways. Yeah, it's just it's

664
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: one of these games that and Cam Hayward was asked

665
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: about it today in terms of you know, why do

666
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: you think you have or have had so much success

667
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: against Lamar. He's like, you know, hey, Lamar is a

668
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: great player, but these games all come down to three

669
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: or four plays and and you know, you have to.

670
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: Be very.

671
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: Aware of how you rush him, and you have to

672
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: be ready to make the big play, you know, when.

673
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: He's not going to tell you the secret sauce, no mean,

674
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: of course.

675
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: But you do you know when he throws you one,

676
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: you gotta catch it. The ball on the ground, you

677
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: got to have somebody there to fall on it. That's

678
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: that's getting guys to the ball.

679
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: It's also human nature. If I'm a defensive player, or

680
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: if I'm a basketball player or anything, maybe I don't

681
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: give it quite everything on this play, you know. I mean,

682
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: not that I'm dogging it, but not every play of

683
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: every football game gets maximum one effort from everyone on

684
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: the field. But if you lull against him and he

685
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: gets step on, you ain't gonna work, you know, Like

686
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: I think that they're very aware that it truly is

687
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: a snap to snap game. Just because I've played forty

688
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 3: good ones number forty one. I can't just be like

689
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: I got this. I'll go through the motion, no problem,

690
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: you know I can. I'll drive right past this guy

691
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: trying to guard me on the way the basket. No no, no,

692
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: I mean you get you can't let him get a crease.

693
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: And then one thing that Lamar will do and he's

694
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: continued to do this because he runs so much, but

695
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: also it's just something that's you know, when he is running,

696
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: he doesn't expect guys to catch him necessarily, he'll put

697
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: the ball on the ground.

698
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

699
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 2: And so if you've got guys getting running to the ball,

700
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: but steels will always historically done well yeah, you know,

701
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: and the ball gets knocked loose.

702
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: And the better team speed now than everything, you got

703
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: to get on it. You just have to yeah yah yah.

704
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: And I bet they've I don't know the numbers, but

705
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: I bet they've caused their share of Lamar fumbles in

706
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: those matchups. It's a bunch, actually, bet it's pretty pretty high.

707
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, he's not going to throw many interceptions. He

708
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: just doesn't know, but they've gotten them off of him,

709
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: and they've come seemingly as some Tiley moments.

710
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: I mean, he has nine fumbles this year doesn't. Yeah,

711
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: and one thing he does is a runner they can

712
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: catch like NFC teams off by off guard a lot too.

713
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: That the more you play him, it doesn't. But he'll

714
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: flat out lev bell stop start yet yea, you know

715
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: I mean, And that's when you get the right you know,

716
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: that's when I think they probably get contact on the

717
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: football a little bit better. And he will hang it

718
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: out there. You know, he's got to playground mentality to

719
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: him too. But he'll stop start, almost come to a

720
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: complete stuf. Everyone flies by, you know. His acceleration is

721
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: better than everybody. And I think if you haven't played them,

722
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: you're not used to that, you don't expect him just

723
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: to stop. Yeah, you're going to leave you flying by.

724
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

725
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolli. You're listening to the Drive here

726
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back

727
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: with more right after this.

728
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

729
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

730
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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation.

731
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Speaker 2: Radio, and we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is

732
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt the Browns. Yeah, they're making

733
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: a quarterback change again. Again, how many times we've said

734
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: that in the last twenty years or so. Dorian Thompson

735
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: Robinson because they gotta find out what they got with him.

736
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: I kind of get that part of it. I mean,

737
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: at least the young guy that has shown a slight

738
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: bit of promise maybe can be your long term back up.

739
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: Like when they drafted him, I commended the pick saying

740
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: he has some Watson At that point, Watson was clearly

741
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: the starter. He has some Watson like skill sets. And

742
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: if you're gonna pay that guy a bazillion dollars, I

743
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: want a cheap fifth round rookie contract. That if he

744
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: can be a first contract number two at league minimum

745
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: or rookie money, great, that's economical. So I guess you're

746
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: still in that mode at this stage of his career

747
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: that maybe he can be our two from here on out.

748
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: But it's also more of an indictment on who was

749
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: playing ahead of him though, you know, yeah, I mean,

750
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: you can't turn the ball over over and.

751
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: Over, can't. You just can't do it. And Mike Sando

752
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: put out a tweet earlier today from The Athletic Friend

753
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: of the Show, The Browns one and six with Deshaun

754
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: Watson at quarterback. Yeah, thirteen point four points per game,

755
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty three point nine yards per game,

756
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: eleven total touchdowns in those seven games. Eight turn and

757
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: it was a hard watch. Eight turnovers. They weren't turning

758
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: the ball over. Yeah, yeah, they're even. The big knock

759
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: on him was he's turning down throws.

760
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

761
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: You know, their EPA per play was minus point two two,

762
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: which if you took all the teams that have played

763
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: offense since two thousand thousand, would rank seven hundred and

764
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: eighty six out of seven hundred and ninety six or

765
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: ninety eight teams. So they were only twelve teams that

766
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: were worse.

767
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: That were worse over that stretch.

768
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Jamis Winston at quarterback, they were two and five.

769
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: Went over the Ravens, went over the Steelers. Yeah, go figure,

770
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: eighteen point six points per game, three hundred and sixty

771
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: five point four yards per game.

772
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: That's much better, much better. Here's the here's the rub,

773
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: there's a rub. Nineteen turnovers. Yeah, seven games. The knock

774
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: on Winston wasn't that he turns down, throws.

775
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: No no EPA per play minus point one two, which

776
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: ranks thirty second.

777
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna go ninety eight or whatever.

778
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: Well for that, that rank six hundred and ninetieth out

779
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: of seven hundred and ninety eight teams since the two

780
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: thousand season, So it was a little better.

781
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: I would say it's indisputable that it was better and

782
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: more watchable, and they were more dangerous. That they could

783
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: string a game together to beat a division team. That's

784
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 3: better than that, you know, I mean, but it's.

785
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 2: The roller coaster ride you have with Jamos Winston.

786
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder now I'm no longer really a Winston apologist.

787
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: I was for a while, and I never thought he

788
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: was gonna end up being Brett fav or anything. But

789
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: I did think he's maybe one of the best thirty two.

790
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: I think there's teams that tanking in the NFL does

791
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: not happen because players don't give effort. It's done in

792
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: the front office. You know who do we put on

793
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: the field, And I think win gives them a better

794
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: chance to win games, also gives them a good chance

795
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: to lose them in some cases. But I mean, I'd

796
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: much rather play the Browns with Thompson Robinson as a

797
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: quarterback in a rematch without question. And I mean the

798
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: bad is absolutely really bad, as bad as Levice or

799
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 3: anyone in the league. But it was a functional offense

800
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 3: with him, you know, throwing to Judy and those guys.

801
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: They didn't run the ball at all, which doesn't help

802
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: the cause. And quarterback out there and you just make

803
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: him throw over and over and over. But again, how

804
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: many seasons have we seen two three four quarterbacks lately

805
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: in a Browns uniform, often because of poor play, but

806
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: sometimes because of injury too, like everyone else, And we've

807
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: seen a million and everyone knows the jersey that has

808
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: Couch and Baker and you know, Whedon and everyone that

809
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 3: they've had. Eventually it's like the Bears. I keep saying,

810
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not me, it's you. Yeah, you know what

811
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 3: I mean. They don't have a good quarterback for decades.

812
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not the good quarterbacks who bring in that

813
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 3: are talented, the fields and Trubisky's and Williams and Couch

814
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 3: and et cetera, et cetera. Maybe it's you guys don't

815
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: deal with quarterbacks. Well, that might be it. Yeah, that

816
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: might be it.

817
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: But it just goes to show, like we've been doing

818
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 2: this for a long time, all the people that wanted

819
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: to sign Jameis Winston. Yeah, yeah for the Steelers when

820
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: Ben rother well, so it would be big Ben's, you know,

821
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: back up, and he'll be the replacement. Come on, man, I.

822
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: I mean that was the Trubisky year. There was Trubisky, Mariota,

823
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: and Winston. Winston was my favorite of the three at

824
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: the time, but the other two for garbage too. They

825
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: shouldn't in the league anymore either, right, It's just this.

826
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: Is who he is, Yeah, it is. And you can't

827
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: get past the turnouts. And you think Mike Tomlin wants

828
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: to live with that kind of volatility at the quarterback position.

829
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely, not like you can live.

830
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: The term gunslinger with the quarterback.

831
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: Most people look at that as it's like game manager's bad,

832
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: gunslinger's good. Well not really.

833
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean Ben Roethlisberger was considered a gun slinger. Brett

834
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: Farv considered a gun slinger, yes.

835
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: And Farv is just a much much better version of Winston.

836
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 2: They would take chances with the ball that other quarterbacks

837
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: would not because they had the arm, talent and the

838
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: accuracy to do so yeah, Winston has the arm talent, yes,

839
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: to make all the throws, but he doesn't have the accuracy.

840
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: I also know that he knows when to hold him

841
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 3: and when to fold him either, you know, when do

842
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: I dial it back? And Farv's guilty of that too.

843
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: But Farv's the biggest gun slinger I can remember, you know.

844
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: I mean, rare arm talent, rare guts, you know that

845
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: type of thing, toughness, all those type of things. And

846
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: Ben's not far off. Don't get me wrong, but I

847
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: thought Ben was smarter with the football of when to

848
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: be that guy and when not.

849
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: So with those situations with those guys because they win games.

850
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 3: Yes they don't because they're very good.

851
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: They don't consistently lose you games, which is what Jamis

852
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: Winston does.

853
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm looking for it here, but anyway, I don't

854
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: have it handy. It's somewhere in here. But Wilson's like

855
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 3: in the best of the league right now in turnover

856
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: worthy play percentage. I mean, Lamar is pretty close too,

857
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 3: But I made a note. I think Wilson's second best

858
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: in the league and Lamar's like fourth. Yeah, I mean

859
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: that's that's much more of a Tomlin style quarterback unless

860
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: you're bad, you know, right, Yeah, I mean, and you

861
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 3: live with it.

862
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he might throw two interceptions early, but when it's

863
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, rolls around and we're down a touchdown,

864
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: put the ball in his hand.

865
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: Let's go to that guy. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna chuckle

866
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: at this. I don't know if there's any validity to it,

867
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: but I've heard this thrown out for the Browns, that

868
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: this is something they should do. Stefanski's one coach of

869
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: the Year twice. I don't think he's one of the

870
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: best coaches in the league. But you could do worse,

871
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, there's a lot of people, a

872
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: lot of teams out there that could use a Kevin Stefanski.

873
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: He's not Tomlin, he's not Belichick, of course. But I've

874
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: heard it thrown out there that the Browns are in

875
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: such bad shape in terms of assets to get better,

876
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: you could trade Stefanski for the second round pick and

877
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 3: promote the Rabel who's in the organization already. I find

878
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: it weird that Rabel's in the organization to find him,

879
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: to be honest, I just think he wanted the job.

880
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: Well.

881
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 3: I understand why he hires. Yeah, I think he's a

882
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: distraction because you don't want Tomlin walking around Cincinnati, you

883
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like that's a major presence. There's

884
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: probably the best head coach in the city.

885
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: I just don't know who would trade anything for Kevin Stefanski.

886
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: I think teams would. I think teams would if you're

887
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: the giants of the Jets.

888
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: I don't see.

889
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: I mean because I don't think the Browns will let

890
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: him go.

891
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: You know, they don't have a choice. If he's wants

892
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: he's much different. I mean, somebody wants to hire him

893
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: as their head coach, they have no they can't say no.

894
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: True, I phrased that wrong. I mean, I don't know

895
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: who the Browns would rather have as our head coach.

896
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 3: Who knows? But I do know there's a lot of organizations,

897
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: maybe the Bears, that we are going to hire an

898
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: offensive minded guy to get our quarterback right. You know

899
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: that these owners make their minds up that which I

900
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: think is wrong. I would much hire a Vrabel Tomlin

901
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: ceo where a lot of these guys make these mistakes

902
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: over and over and over. Give me the quarterback whisper.

903
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't see anybody trading anything for Kevin Stephens.

904
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: We're going to say, and I'm not sure you're wrong,

905
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 3: but I've thrown it out. I've seen it thrown out

906
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 3: there by a lot of different people.

907
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: Oh in Cleveland, I'm sure.

908
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's it's

909
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: an odd way of viewing.

910
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: That because there the Cleveland media just has a different

911
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: way of everything in Cleveland is great.

912
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah, I think a lot of football team

913
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: you're able to walk out of the building.

914
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's part of it.

915
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: He's no higher legend, you know.

916
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: But you're not getting it. You're not getting draft picts

917
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: or anything of note for Kevin Stefanski, just not.

918
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: That's the part. I don't know. I mean, I don't

919
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 3: think they're going to get to first like Peyton did

920
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: from the Saints.

921
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 2: I mean again, look at well, you know he did

922
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: win an a playoff game. He wasn't even on the sideline

923
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: for that game.

924
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: I know. But he's two time coach of the Year.

925
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: That means nothing.

926
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: I means the he hasn't even won a division title.

927
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it.

928
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 2: I mean it's the most it's it's the it's what's

929
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: wrong with the coach of the year stuff.

930
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: Well, the coach of the year stuff.

931
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: Very very it's an you know, you've got a bunch

932
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: of you gotta be bad. The voters are the same

933
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: people who voted for Miles Garrett is that as the

934
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: defensive Player of the year last year?

935
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Now the whole coach of the year doing

936
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 3: because it's who's the guy that takes a terrible team

937
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: and makes the average right, you know, as opposed to

938
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: Andy Reid just wins every year. You know what, maybe

939
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: he's the best coach out there.

940
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just don't see that.

941
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

942
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph Now also starting real quick, what do you.

943
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: Think the Browns do next year? Quarterback? Though? Do you

944
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: think they draft over drafts on run and thrown?

945
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they can't afford to do anything out.

946
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: I would say the options. I mean, at this point,

947
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: I bet it's not Winston. I bet he's not on

948
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 3: the team. I bet it's dtr and a way overdrafted

949
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: six pick in the draft.

950
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: Or wherever they're Yeah, and they'll still have Watson under

951
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: contract because right right, maybe they pay him to not

952
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: you know, not be there.

953
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: But well there's something with him. You got to pay

954
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: someone to take him away or pay him to stay away.

955
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: Either way he's getting paid. Oh yeah, it's why it

956
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: was such a bad deal. But no, Mason Rudolph now

957
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: starting this week in Tennessee as he should.

958
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if the Levis experiment's totally over,

959
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: but he's Winston. Yeah, and they're really the same guy.

960
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 3: I mean, they make some highlight reel stuff. They're big, strong,

961
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: physical throwball through the wall. But I mean, what do

962
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: you do. I wonder if that's a Donald landing spot.

963
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: I mean, they spent a lot of money last offseason.

964
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: I don't know it would go well for Donald, but

965
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: like they the team that goes and pays him that

966
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: I could see that, And that's the one landing spot

967
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: ups kind of far more likely than kem was, no doubt.

968
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: What's so goofy about this this how it's shaping up,

969
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: very subject to change. But the Giants and Raiders have

970
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: the first two picks, and every Kuiper and you know,

971
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: Draftnick out there is going to tell you that's going

972
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: to be Sanders and Ward and I look at that like,

973
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: there's no way they're the best two players in this draft.

974
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 3: And more so than most years. They're going to get overdrafted. Yes,

975
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: so are you really that thrilled?

976
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: And then somebody's gonna say, well, Carson Beck, Then who's

977
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: going to be three that ends up with the Browns

978
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: or whatever?

979
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, I'm sure someone will

980
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 3: shine at the Senior Bowl and get hot or whatever.

981
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: But I just see a lot of overdrafted quarterbacks that.

982
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: Are not a good year to be looking.

983
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: No. I mean, when six go in the first round

984
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: last year, the teams that didn't get them to need

985
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: them are going to go get one and it's not

986
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: gonna I just think it's gonna be a bad group.

987
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 2: Which is interesting. I guess Penn State's Drew Aller, who

988
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of him either. He's going back,

989
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: but he's going back to he's staying in school for

990
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: another year.

991
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: You know.

992
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: I see people mocking this was early to see. Yeah, yeah,

993
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: but he's been in the on the list, Yeah right,

994
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: people mocking. Uh, you know, quarterbacks to the Steelers in

995
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: the first round, Like that's not gonna happen this year.

996
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think so. I mean, I if

997
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: they if somehow Wilson decides he doesn't want to come

998
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: back and they don't want them. Maybe. I mean, I'm

999
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: just trying to think of avenues I see it happen.

1000
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: I don't see it either. I think Wilson would be

1001
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: the quarterback. And then you have this conversation one year

1002
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: from now.

1003
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: Where you know, you just take takes a chance on

1004
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: somebody in the third round, you know, hm, whenever, Yeah, yeah,

1005
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: should always just do that anyways, when your quarterback.

1006
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: Is thirty five or older. Of course. Just keep speaking

1007
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: of Kuiper, he came up with a theater. I'm not

1008
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: sure it's him, but it's kind of becoming something that

1009
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: in the scouting world's become more and more prevalent. With

1010
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: the money the kids are making now. He thinks every

1011
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 3: quarterback should stay in college as long as you possibly can.

1012
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of merit to that. You know,

1013
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: bow Nicks plays a million snaps in college, comes in

1014
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: and he's not swimming, you know, and oh, by the way,

1015
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: you got millions in your pocket by the time you

1016
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: get here, big man on campus, you win a bunch

1017
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: of games for Oregon or Penn State or wherever, multiple schools,

1018
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: multiple schools. If you want. If it doesn't work out,

1019
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: just just transfer and someone else will give you money.

1020
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: I think you're going to see that. I mean, guys,

1021
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: it's only the old part sales rules. How many starts

1022
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: have you had at the college level? You know it

1023
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 3: goes a long way.

1024
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, it definitely does. And there's certainly you know,

1025
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 2: there's the proof is in the pudding because the guys

1026
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 2: who played a lot of games have largely played well.

1027
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, except for Kenny Pickett was definitely one of the knots.

1028
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: But like what's his face? Yours? With the Texas, he's eligible.

1029
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 3: But arch Manning is going to be the quarterback next year.

1030
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: And that's what Kuyper is saying, is like, this guy

1031
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: should not come out now. He should transfer to Rutgers

1032
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: or wherever and be the starter and get one more

1033
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 3: solid year of being in the minors.

1034
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that'll mean more twenty four and twenty five

1035
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: year old quarterbacks coming out.

1036
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: We'll see how that works out. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, we're

1037
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: overdue for a break.

1038
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: Let's get to a break that's going to do it

1039
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: for our number one of the drive here on the

1040
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back with our

1041
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: number two.

1042
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: Right after this