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Speaker 3: And this one is jam. Not just the two Monday
Speaker 3: Night games which were wild and ugly and weird, but
Speaker 3: like a lot of big news around the league, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: the biggest one happened in this game. I'm feeling a
Speaker 3: little bit of a flashback to last Monday Night in
Speaker 3: terms of the vibes of losing one of the best
Speaker 3: players in the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cleveland Brown's running back Nick Chubb suffered a terrible
Speaker 1: knee injury, one of those type of injuries that you
Speaker 1: know The telecast does not even show replays of After
Speaker 1: the game, a win, a narrow win by the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Coach Kevin Stefanski confirmed that Chubb is done for the
Speaker 1: season with a significant injury. According to rap Sheet, that
Speaker 1: injury includes multiple torn ligaments. He'll have tests done. But
Speaker 1: Mark Chubb, who's a guy that everybody loves to watch,
Speaker 1: one of the very best players in the league. To
Speaker 1: see him go down like this completely undercut tonight's football.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean I think if you looked at how
Speaker 2: you organize offenses, almost all of them are around a quarterback.
Speaker 2: And Cleveland can say it's around their quarterback, but it's
Speaker 2: been around Nick Chubb for years. And it's pretty telling
Speaker 2: to me that when he was taken off the field,
Speaker 2: that you're in Pittsburgh Stadium and Steelers fans, the number
Speaker 2: one rivalry to Cleveland, hate the Browns in many ways,
Speaker 2: like and what do you get you have Steelers fans
Speaker 2: chanting his name as he's taken away. Because I think
Speaker 2: the Nick Chubb, if you've watched football for a long time,
Speaker 2: if you watch sports like he harks back to something
Speaker 2: a little bit different than the mouthy athletes you might
Speaker 2: get from today. He's silent. He just goes about his work,
Speaker 2: he punishes people, he's consistent, he's the heart of that offense.
Speaker 2: And he's gone.
Speaker 3: And the crowd there saw the injury, which a lot
Speaker 3: of people at home didn't watching the ESPN broadcast, and
Speaker 3: they mentioned Joe and Troy doing the game just how
Speaker 3: they gasped. And we had a second monitor up at
Speaker 3: work while I was watching, so I see it too,
Speaker 3: And it's just unfortunate that it's so similar to a
Speaker 3: week ago that this guy who's a franchise player, and
Speaker 3: to me, if like you needed one person on planet
Speaker 3: Earth to get six yards for you in a given
Speaker 3: play and he was playing fantastic tonight, he was the
Speaker 3: best player on the field while he was on the
Speaker 3: field tonight, to me, it would be Nick Chubb. So
Speaker 3: it's just really disappointing. And then the way the game
Speaker 3: played out, and we'll get to that, really reminded me
Speaker 3: of that too, where the team that couldn't get a
Speaker 3: first down, that was kind of outplayed for most of
Speaker 3: it ends up coming back and winning that game. The
Speaker 3: difference here is the Browns, you know, lost Chubb and
Speaker 3: they lost the game too.
Speaker 1: It's just a nightmare situations. It's the football is a
Speaker 1: you know, a beautiful game, but the injury side of it,
Speaker 1: it's just you can't he just almost can't fathom that
Speaker 1: somebody as talented as Chubb suffers an injury that gruesome.
Speaker 1: And now we only hope that this is something where
Speaker 1: doctors in modern science gets him right and he's back
Speaker 1: on the field and he's a comeback player the year
Speaker 1: type guy next year. But for now, Nick Chubbs season
Speaker 1: is over, and let's now get to the games. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do both the Monday night football games and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna do news, just get you caught up on
Speaker 1: the other things going on around the league. But let's
Speaker 1: start with what happened at whatever the hell Acroshore is.
Speaker 3: What I need?
Speaker 2: Neil showing blitz here he comes.
Speaker 4: Prush up, all out, picked up, who touchdown Steelers.
Speaker 1: Wow, that place was going bonkers. Even leading up to
Speaker 1: that play, that place was going bonkers. And then a
Speaker 1: huge play there. Alex high Smith outside linebacker, beats Jeddrick
Speaker 1: Willis off the edge, chops the ball out of Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson's hands. TJ. Watts scoops it up, takes it in
Speaker 1: seventeen yards for the go ahead touchdown midway through the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and that was the difference for the Pittsburgh Steelers,
Speaker 1: who behind two defensive touchdowns, beat the Cleveland Browns twenty
Speaker 1: six twenty two on Monday night and a game that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just unbelievable, the Browns against the rival Steelers,
Speaker 1: losing Nick Chubb and then you lose this game on
Speaker 1: top of it. It's just terrible for the Steelers. They
Speaker 1: needed it. They needed this game greg from their defense
Speaker 1: because once again the offense with you know, there were
Speaker 1: moments here and there in this game they were better
Speaker 1: than Week one, which isn't saying much, but they needed
Speaker 1: multiple scores from their defense to take this game and
Speaker 1: they just happened to get it on Monday night.
Speaker 3: Right, they had the seventy one yard touchdown to George
Speaker 3: Pickens on a slant, pretty routine play that he just
Speaker 3: took off and there was a hole in the brown
Speaker 3: Beyond that, they only had other eight other first downs
Speaker 3: and basically no big plays other than eight. Other than
Speaker 3: that one, they were nine total. They had like that
Speaker 3: thirty yard dump off to a running back. They just
Speaker 3: couldn't get yards and once you got into the fourth
Speaker 3: quarter and the Browns had retaken the lead and their
Speaker 3: offense had their share of struggles, certainly, but they were
Speaker 3: moving the ball a little bit better. You really thought
Speaker 3: that the Steelers, who pinned Cleveland back inside their five
Speaker 3: yard line twice, we're gonna have to score to win
Speaker 3: this game. The defense was gonna have to score to
Speaker 3: win this game. And they actually did it. And TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt gets the glory with the touchdown, but Alex Highsmith
Speaker 3: was part of both touchdowns. He had the pick six
Speaker 3: early on the deflection and he had the force fumble
Speaker 3: and it wasn't because of injuries. It was against the
Speaker 3: left tackle Jedrick Wills, their first round pick, and high
Speaker 3: Smith has turned into maybe the premiere second pass runner
Speaker 3: rusher in the league. One of them DeMarcus Lawrence. There's
Speaker 3: other great ones, but he was fantastic to night and
Speaker 3: he was part of a Steelers defense that had eleven
Speaker 3: quarterback hits, six sacks, nine tackles for loss, and eight
Speaker 3: passes defense. They just were all over the place making
Speaker 3: big plays and that's what they needed because their offense
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna get it done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you told me five hours ago
Speaker 2: that Pittsburgh at home would have six sacks, four takeaways,
Speaker 2: and two defensive touchdowns, I wouldn't suggest the Browns would
Speaker 2: win that game. They were one in twenty two coming
Speaker 2: into this game under Kevin Stefanski in games where they
Speaker 2: trail by four points in the fourth quarter. That tells
Speaker 2: you a lot. The Steelers have won twenty one games
Speaker 2: in a row on Monday Night football. Cleveland and Pittsford
Speaker 2: have a Yeah, they.
Speaker 3: Won twenty one games in a row and Monday Night football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a pretty ingrained DNA against Cleveland, And
Speaker 2: like I would say that that. You know, obviously I
Speaker 2: have my own complicated relationship with the Browns right now,
Speaker 2: but I found myself getting worked up. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: just the Chubb injury, just the way that you got
Speaker 2: into the latter stages of this game, and you've kind
Speaker 2: of sold your soul to surround yourself around Deshaun Watson
Speaker 2: who continues to not play very well. You know, Amari Cooper,
Speaker 2: what a gutsy performance to go out injured with a
Speaker 2: groin injury and play the way he did, to even
Speaker 2: suit up and go in there. I watched this Browns
Speaker 2: team on offense, and it's like I'm watching Jim Schwartz
Speaker 2: on the defensive coordinator, like he has dialed in and
Speaker 2: this defense is special, and it kind of Dan. It
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me a little bit. It's not to
Speaker 2: the same degree, but the Jets on defense give you
Speaker 2: a chance to win, and the Browns defense does the same.
Speaker 2: And I just have no faith that this quarterback in
Speaker 2: this offense is going to pull you out of a hole.
Speaker 2: And it's just like they look lost to me on
Speaker 2: that side of the ball, and I don't know. It
Speaker 2: was very a very frustrating watch. There's so much talent
Speaker 2: with Miles Garrett and everyone on that side of the ball.
Speaker 2: That's why I think that I have faith that they
Speaker 2: can still go win nine or ten games without Shove.
Speaker 2: I think Jerome Is seems like a competent, potentially competent
Speaker 2: fill in for Chubb, But you've lost the heart and
Speaker 2: soul of your offense, and I don't trust the quarterback.
Speaker 1: The parallels mark on a personal side here are not
Speaker 1: lost on me. And I'm sure many listeners that like,
Speaker 1: you know your history with the Browns, my history with
Speaker 1: the Jets, and what happened last week at the Metal Lands.
Speaker 1: It was like this special defense that has this star
Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, that if you
Speaker 1: put these two things together, special things could happen. And
Speaker 1: Cleveland that's what Chubb represents now. Deshaun Watson is the
Speaker 1: guy that they, like you said, on some level, you
Speaker 1: could say, sold their soul to get that QB one
Speaker 1: they've been searching for since Bernie Coozar. But it was
Speaker 1: Chubb that was the engine of this offense. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there is something if you're a Browns fan
Speaker 1: to take out of Jerome Ford who had that beautiful
Speaker 1: sixty nine yard run where he almost took it to
Speaker 1: the house, and you can say, Okay, we still have
Speaker 1: an offensive line that can maul in the run game,
Speaker 1: and maybe Watson puts it together. But the Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: side of it, I think he struggled here in one
Speaker 1: I think the first big kind of showtime primetime moment
Speaker 1: with the Browns where you got to make the play.
Speaker 1: He was kind of holding that ball out like a
Speaker 1: loaf of bread on the big strip fumble recovery and
Speaker 1: then was not able to make anything happen on the
Speaker 1: ensuing drive to dig him out of it. That's what
Speaker 1: they're paying him for to make a play on one
Speaker 1: of those possessions, and it just didn't happen. So a
Speaker 1: night of epic frustrations for Cleveland Watson not getting it
Speaker 1: done is just was kind of like the reverse cherry
Speaker 1: on top.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost felt like the Steelers defense at the
Speaker 3: beginning of that final drive. Watson gets the ball back,
Speaker 3: needing a touchdown to go win the game in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: Tough spot, you know, especially the way that they had
Speaker 3: looked and the Steelers started dropping coverage and actually was
Speaker 3: protected pretty well and made a couple of nice stories.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about the Watson experience, especially this year,
Speaker 3: so far as there are nice throws. He's obviously a
Speaker 3: talented player. Had five or six throws tonight that were
Speaker 3: excellent or they were just out of balance, like the
Speaker 3: timing was off, But there were more plays that just
Speaker 3: spoke of a quarterback who wasn't confident in what he
Speaker 3: was seeing. Troyyigmann pointed out quite a bit where he
Speaker 3: was just late on everything you thought of the first
Speaker 3: couple plays of the game, not a miscommunication on that
Speaker 3: pick six. We don't know who's in at fault, but
Speaker 3: it was ultimately a bad throat where they're not on
Speaker 3: the same page. He's late on a wide open kind
Speaker 3: of hitch route where a guy's over the middle and
Speaker 3: that's just an unforced era. And then on the last drive,
Speaker 3: this is an effect of a good defensive coordinator started
Speaker 3: sending the heat and they got a lot of pressure
Speaker 3: on him, but you saw his eyes coming down really fast.
Speaker 3: There was a play around midfield where he was actually
Speaker 3: protected well on that final drive, and almost immediately after
Speaker 3: he didn't see someone open. He just sort of started
Speaker 3: running around in a circle when actually he was protected
Speaker 3: and he ran into his own pressure and then wound
Speaker 3: up getting sacked. And there were just many of those
Speaker 3: moments where you could tell he's not comfortable in this offense.
Speaker 3: He doesn't seem to know what he's seen in the
Speaker 3: same way that he used to when he was in Houston.
Speaker 1: You saw some cutaways to Stefanski on the sideline, including
Speaker 1: one late in the game. I believe it was the
Speaker 1: kind of the last sack he took before the fourth down.
Speaker 3: I think that might be the very play I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they cut to stefancy. You had to kind
Speaker 1: of look on his face like, man, we need to
Speaker 1: be a little better than that. And so there you
Speaker 1: have a lot of work to do obviously on offense,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be more difficult without Chubb. And like
Speaker 1: we said, Mark that Pittsburgh totally flatlined on offense in
Speaker 1: Week one, so you could look at in some ways progress,
Speaker 1: but like Greg said, eight first downs, like this is
Speaker 1: a problem. This is now two weeks in where you
Speaker 1: have one of the worst offenses in football. You got
Speaker 1: totally bailed out by your defense that had an all
Speaker 1: time primetime effort. Otherwise you're own two and you're asking
Speaker 1: questions that you don't want answers to.
Speaker 2: Potentially yep, I would say a bright spot George Pickens,
Speaker 2: who probably had the best game of his career. But
Speaker 2: I'm looking at an imbalanced attack that had two yards
Speaker 2: rushing in the first half. Everything that we heard about
Speaker 2: in the summer that I wouldn't say that. That's what
Speaker 2: I fell for with the Steelers. I just kind of
Speaker 2: liked the idea of their talent growing up together. They're
Speaker 2: not there yet, and you know, you're relying on TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt kind of like week after week, and he went
Speaker 2: up against a rookie right tackle tonight and that was
Speaker 2: not a bad matchup for him at all. But like
Speaker 2: I'm watching this office now, you played San Francisco and
Speaker 2: you played Cleveland. These may be two of the top
Speaker 2: three four defenses in the league. So there's that, and
Speaker 2: you can keep resetting. It's early in the year, and
Speaker 2: I do think that, you know, Picket in general has
Speaker 2: a lot of chance to grow. But it's two weeks
Speaker 2: in a row where it's like, Matt Canada, you got
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on you that kept cutting away
Speaker 2: to him, and it's like then they're cutting to the
Speaker 2: crowd and they're shaking their head because they can't convert X,
Speaker 2: Y and Z, and it's like, it's a frustrating situation
Speaker 2: when one side of the ball it's not living up
Speaker 2: to the other side. It creates problems. I trust the
Speaker 2: defense one hundred and Pittsburgh's offense is absolute TBD.
Speaker 3: Every time they get a couple of running plays going,
Speaker 3: you can almost smell that Matt Canada is gonna do
Speaker 3: some wonky end around to Calvin Austin that's gonna lose
Speaker 3: like four yards or they needed one yard in that
Speaker 3: final drive to maybe put away the game, and they
Speaker 3: do this crazy complicated play that you could, you know,
Speaker 3: with motion and handoffs and pickets like faking it almost
Speaker 3: like it's an option, and it's like something the Eagles
Speaker 3: would pull off and or the Chiefs would pull off,
Speaker 3: and they look great, and they just completely botch it
Speaker 3: and lose three yards and they just seem to not
Speaker 3: know what to count on. But I do think they're
Speaker 3: talented enough to eventually get there. I just don't know
Speaker 3: if the coaching is there.
Speaker 1: One last note here Mike Fitzpatrick standout defensive back of
Speaker 1: the Steelers. He also suffered an injury in this game
Speaker 1: as a chest injury and it handed up at a
Speaker 1: local hospital undergoing avaluation. Also, you know that the play,
Speaker 1: it's a it's interesting just as from a pure uh
Speaker 1: now just watching you know, sports fan on TV. I
Speaker 1: don't know where you guys come down on the don't
Speaker 1: show the injury side of things they used to in
Speaker 1: the old days. I remember Napoleon McCallum on Monday Night
Speaker 1: Football thirty years ago suffered a grotesque knee injury for
Speaker 1: the Raiders that they would show over and over and over.
Speaker 3: Again, jan they would always show that.
Speaker 2: Joe Thaismand I mean, how about this Super Bowl Sunday
Speaker 2: when you've got you know, Grandma and Nelly watching Tim Crumbrae.
Speaker 2: They shut his legs snap into you know.
Speaker 1: And now we we've kind of hit the point where
Speaker 1: we treat these serious injuries as if how how broadcasting
Speaker 1: treats fans that run on the field, like don't show it.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I need to see it, but like
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a bunch of tweets here, like people coming
Speaker 1: after Mika Fitzpatrick for a low hit and everything. I
Speaker 1: just didn't I didn't see enough of it because of
Speaker 1: the way the telcast handled the injury. And I understand
Speaker 1: why they do it, but also it is a sports telecast.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a very it's a news event for
Speaker 1: the league. They just not seeing what happened was kind
Speaker 1: of interesting. But that's how it's done now. It's just
Speaker 1: more an observation rather than me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's new. I think that's really just the
Speaker 3: last couple of years that that's come up. But that
Speaker 3: was a condensed play in the box where yeah, he
Speaker 3: dove at him to tackle him. I think that's a
Speaker 3: typical football play, and it's part of the reason why.
Speaker 3: Like there's a little bit of a downbeat note tonight.
Speaker 3: It's like that injury happened. There were just injuries everywhere.
Speaker 3: Greg Knwsom, the great slack cornerback for the Browns, had
Speaker 3: an elbow injury, left this game. Denzel Ward never came
Speaker 3: back from the locker room as far as I knew
Speaker 3: when he left the game with an injury. So it's
Speaker 3: just Zadarius Smith left at one point, was carted off
Speaker 3: or was helped off the field, and then he did
Speaker 3: return to the game. It was just like an endless
Speaker 3: sea of misery with these injuries.
Speaker 2: You just three of their top four defensive players.
Speaker 1: Right, and the whole the Browns situation for me like
Speaker 1: Mark getting to know you all these years and understanding
Speaker 1: the kind of shared dna of pain and what it
Speaker 1: feels like to be a fan that your team is cursed,
Speaker 1: like the Deshaun Watson situation really did. Like Cloud what
Speaker 1: remains a great fan base and a team with proud
Speaker 1: tradition that is trying trying to get over the hump
Speaker 1: and back to being competitive team year after year and
Speaker 1: set up so well everyone has their feelings about Watson,
Speaker 1: but I feel for Browns fans, just like I know
Speaker 1: a lot of Browns fans and other team and fan
Speaker 1: bases that never seem to get over the hump, felt
Speaker 1: for the Jets on Monday Night. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you had anything else you want an ad mark.
Speaker 2: Well, all I'd say is like the one thing about
Speaker 2: these seasons because as you know, you got to ride
Speaker 2: the wave, and like, do I want to be like
Speaker 2: the seventh grade me that goes into some sort of
Speaker 2: a shell and doesn't emerge again. It's like they have
Speaker 2: another game with Pittsburgh in Cleveland, and like, so you
Speaker 2: want to you want to split with the Steelers. And
Speaker 2: if you go in any season then knowing you're gonna
Speaker 2: split with your number one rival, arch enemy, you'd be
Speaker 2: all right with that. And so there's another chance for this.
Speaker 2: Can the offense become more Watson esque because it's not
Speaker 2: so Nick Chubb focused. I don't like the idea of that,
Speaker 2: but maybe that helps him. He doesn't seem comfortable in
Speaker 2: this offense right now.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: That's that's sort of the huge the thing that we
Speaker 2: just don't know. It's extremely frustrating because I think if
Speaker 2: you're a Browns fan, and if you're a if you're
Speaker 2: been following a struggling franchise, there's always gonna be one
Speaker 2: or two teams that just pound you, like you know,
Speaker 2: year after year. And the Brown Steelers rivalry has not
Speaker 2: been one outside of that Baker Mayfield playoff game. And frankly,
Speaker 2: Baker Baker Mayfield's played better than Deshaun Watson right now. So,
Speaker 2: like these fortunes that you se, you don't know where
Speaker 2: they're going to take you, and so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: I think if you're a Browns fan and you're died
Speaker 2: in the wall, you've got a great defense, and you
Speaker 2: see what happens. You kicked the butt of the Bengals
Speaker 2: a week ago, you're one and one in the division.
Speaker 3: At play the Steelers tonight. It should be mentioned by
Speaker 3: about one hundred and fifty yards. They did.
Speaker 2: But that's where I that's where I start to push back,
Speaker 2: because they did. But I mentioned that stat Under Stefanski,
Speaker 2: they don't have the DNA of a team that finds
Speaker 2: a way in the end to win it. They find
Speaker 2: a way to just not win it. And it's like
Speaker 2: you've got to switch that you cannot be that team,
Speaker 2: and they went and got the quarterback, thinking that would
Speaker 2: change all that, and in fact it made it more emphatic.
Speaker 2: He seems more lost. They seem more lost than at
Speaker 2: any other time on some level considering the talent. And
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: And the Steelers nineteen ninety one, October fourteenth, nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 1: the last time they lost Monday night football? Is am
Speaker 1: I crazier? Is that? Actually? Like we had fun with
Speaker 1: the Ravens preseason winning streak. Isn't that even crazier?
Speaker 3: It is? It's crazier. I don't know how that one slipped.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a testaments how incredible they in terms
Speaker 1: of consistency, from Chuck Noll to Bill Coward to now
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin. But to never lose once and they play
Speaker 1: Monday night every year a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Dude, I was getting like a hard C minus in
Speaker 2: algebra two the last time they lost a Monday night
Speaker 2: football game.
Speaker 1: So it's like Vanilla Ice was like on the top
Speaker 1: of the charts. That's nineteen ninety one. All right, Let's
Speaker 1: move to the other Monday night game, this one played
Speaker 1: in Charlotte.
Speaker 4: Ian Jones makes a cut hand scores from that practice
Speaker 4: squad to the end zone. What a night for Tony
Speaker 4: Jones Junior stepping up after Jamal Williams went down and
Speaker 4: the Saints stretched the lead two possession, Game three, four,
Speaker 4: team to play.
Speaker 1: The annoying thing is that Chris Olave had a really
Speaker 1: great play. We just stepped out of bounds, so it
Speaker 1: gets Mark back and then we have a fairly routine
Speaker 1: touchdown run by Tony Jones.
Speaker 3: But you know what, that kind of night there, that's
Speaker 3: kind that kind of game, that kind of night.
Speaker 1: You're right the way, does anybody want to hear the
Speaker 1: fact that I needed three points in Jamal Williams tonight
Speaker 1: in my fantasy league? No, probably.
Speaker 3: Another injury.
Speaker 1: The Saints take care of business on the road, beating
Speaker 1: a Panthers team that is still searching for it on
Speaker 1: offense twenty to seventeen.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Derek Carr and the New Orleans offense. No great shakes
Speaker 1: in this game. Again, playing without Alvin Kamara suspended and
Speaker 1: losing Jamal Williams early on, that doesn't help a lot.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of Taysom Hill in this game.
Speaker 1: And just like last week, Derek Carr maybe the overwhelmed
Speaker 1: with a great quarterback play, but when he needed a
Speaker 1: big play, he hits Rashid Shaheed for forty five yards.
Speaker 1: That was a major, major conversion in this game. And
Speaker 1: from there Mark it was about the defense of the Saints,
Speaker 1: which pretty much that this looks closer than it really was.
Speaker 1: It was twenty ten, and then they played this like
Speaker 1: crazy prevent d which drives me nuts. To give up
Speaker 1: eight more points. It was twenty to nine. But Carolina
Speaker 1: did nothing in this game on offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so I would give credit to Derek Carr
Speaker 2: because I think that the opposite of what I just
Speaker 2: talked about with Cleveland's offense is that two weeks in
Speaker 2: a row, you know, car seems emotionally unaffected by the
Speaker 2: slow start and finds a way to make plays and
Speaker 2: get the Saints out of trouble. In this you're helped
Speaker 2: by playing a Carolina offense that is, you know, underdeveloped
Speaker 2: and lost at sea. Their offensive line play is rough.
Speaker 2: Got at feeling in DJ shark as your wideouts. They
Speaker 2: had forty four yards rushing like midway through the third quarter,
Speaker 2: eighty five yards total in the first half. Bryce Young
Speaker 2: is just sort of figuring it out and the Saints
Speaker 2: defense comes in and takes advantage of that. I kind
Speaker 2: of watched this and felt like, why is this on
Speaker 2: prime It's not feel like a primetime game to me.
Speaker 2: It did not feel like a I mean, there's two
Speaker 2: islands tonight, but it didn't feel like it belonged on
Speaker 2: any island to me. It was a bit of a
Speaker 2: rough watch. But it's like you're gonna get that because
Speaker 2: you're throwing Bryce Young on national television in week two
Speaker 2: and like, I like some things I see, but it's like,
Speaker 2: that's just sort of that's the Saints. Just it's a
Speaker 2: sitting duck for the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 3: Well, not all prime time games are created equal, certainly
Speaker 3: not they You know that they the ESPN, ABC chooses
Speaker 3: which game to send the A team to. That was
Speaker 3: the first game we talked about. And then it's a
Speaker 3: spot where you get the number one overall pick in
Speaker 3: primetime before they might have a bad record later in
Speaker 3: the year. This is only one oh and one. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: a lot of times early picks aren't really putting a
Speaker 3: good position to succeed right away. Now. CJ. Strouds looked
Speaker 3: okay and Anthony Richardson's had his moments, it hadn't stayed
Speaker 3: on the field, but Bryce Young you mentioned it is
Speaker 3: just surrounded by so many things that aren't working. His
Speaker 3: offensive line, a lack of explosion at receiver, and he's
Speaker 3: not able to overcome that either. And it's largely because
Speaker 3: he's playing a defense that seems almost built for this moment.
Speaker 3: They built for this season because I was thinking the
Speaker 3: Saints didn't give up a touchdown in their first one
Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen minutes of this season until that garbage time,
Speaker 3: and I was like, wow, well, it's not going to
Speaker 3: be this good though, when they start playing real teams
Speaker 3: and I look at the schedule and it's like there
Speaker 3: aren't many good offenses on this Atlanta will be a
Speaker 3: challenge and there'll be other challenges. Certainly they played Green
Speaker 3: Bay next week. I'm not saying they're a favorite for that,
Speaker 3: but you look up and down, you don't see them
Speaker 3: play a murderer's row, and they seem like the type
Speaker 3: of defense it's been together a long time. It's players,
Speaker 3: not plays. Marshall Latimore is giving up fifteen yards this
Speaker 3: year to Mario Davis made the biggest play of this
Speaker 3: game with a big time sack on Bryce Young. They're
Speaker 3: just in tune. Pete Warner's making plays all over the field,
Speaker 3: Cameron Jordan's there. It's just it's a good defense that
Speaker 3: I think is gonna beat up on some bad offenses.
Speaker 3: And they got a lot of bad offenses on their schedule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what kind of just from a purest
Speaker 1: standpoint of I want this game to match, the score
Speaker 1: to match with the game was. I wish they would
Speaker 1: have played real defense on that last drive because they
Speaker 1: let the Panthers dnk and dunk seventy five yards for
Speaker 1: the touchdown two point conversion. Bryce Young finished with one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three yards passing. I think I think
Speaker 1: virtually all, if not all, those seventy five yards on
Speaker 1: the last drive were on checkdown passes through the air,
Speaker 1: a little dumpoffs, so he threw for about seventy five yards.
Speaker 1: In the first fifty eight minutes of the game. They
Speaker 1: did nothing. They couldn't really get anything going on the ground.
Speaker 1: Carolina only nineteen carries, so they kind of took that
Speaker 1: out of the realm of things as well. And Yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, what you're saying is right, Greg I don't
Speaker 1: see the Saints. I picked the Saints in the division
Speaker 1: because you just don't see a huge level of competition
Speaker 1: around them. So, like, the Saints and the Falcons are
Speaker 1: two teams that stand out to me as groups that
Speaker 1: can win ten or even eleven games.
Speaker 3: Yeah about those two and oh Bucks, we got three
Speaker 3: undefeated teams in this division. Wow, you're not there. I'm
Speaker 3: not really putting that if that's true too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Panthers are hanging out there, they're waiting,
Speaker 1: They're waiting for liftoff mark because this this idea, of course,
Speaker 1: is that you finally get the quarterback you want. But maybe, uh,
Speaker 1: David Tepper's learning that. Well, it's not that simple either.
Speaker 1: You've got to build around the kid, and right now
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think their strength, if anything, you would say,
Speaker 2: would be a defense that can, you know, disrupt certain opponents.
Speaker 2: Shaq Thompson heard tonight.
Speaker 3: J C.
Speaker 2: Horn obviously out for a while. That's a big loss. Like,
Speaker 2: I know, he's not been on the field as much
Speaker 2: as you'd want it all, but like he is a
Speaker 2: fascinating cornerback. That's a big loss for them. So it's
Speaker 2: like they are another one of these teams, just like
Speaker 2: you're taking players out of the mix over and over
Speaker 2: and who knows what their overall like team building philosophy is.
Speaker 2: But we're a couple of years into this general manager
Speaker 2: and like the offense is punchless without a lot of
Speaker 2: big names, and you got a rookie quarterback in a
Speaker 2: tough situation and the defense losing guys. So it's like,
Speaker 2: once again, the Panther's a little there, they're a step behind,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's a developmental year. And like I
Speaker 2: like Frank Reich, and I think Frank Reich is Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm out of maybe I'm saying this incorrectly, but I
Speaker 2: p Lea's like a little over celebrated where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's Frank Reich. So it's security and a great offense.
Speaker 2: Like maybe I don't know what he's done. That's such
Speaker 2: a difference making situation. From a coaching level, I think
Speaker 2: he brings like a Ron Rivera offensive types vanilla security
Speaker 2: to the organization. But I'm not overly impressed so far.
Speaker 2: It's like I don't like the I don't like the
Speaker 2: offense at this point.
Speaker 3: The good thing is it's a baseline and they can
Speaker 3: reset expectations that they weren't maybe going to be this
Speaker 3: great surprise team. But it is something where you just
Speaker 3: are hoping in the middle of the season they start
Speaker 3: having one of those runs where you can see the progress,
Speaker 3: mostly out of Bryson, because they have played well on defense.
Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned Bryce Young had seventy five yards
Speaker 3: late in the game. I mean Derek Carr wasn't above that.
Speaker 3: In the middle of the third quarter. He had about
Speaker 3: twenty throws for one hundred yards and had been sacked
Speaker 3: three or four times at one point, and he got
Speaker 3: Frankieluvu and Brian Burns. And it's very similar to their
Speaker 3: Week one game where the defense bawled out for about
Speaker 3: two and a half quarters and at some point they
Speaker 3: just had to give in. And that's why, again I
Speaker 3: say players not plays. The Saints have some good players.
Speaker 3: I mean, Michael Thomas has looked good enough like he
Speaker 3: looks like Michael Thomas. He made a big play in
Speaker 3: the red zone to set up a touchdown. Chris olav
Speaker 3: had the one of the best catches of the year
Speaker 3: on the sideline, making a diving catch with that that
Speaker 3: one hand of that is just unbelievable. And then you
Speaker 3: mentioned Shaheed. It's like you dial up a Shaheed play
Speaker 3: every once in a while, Taysom Hill gets in there
Speaker 3: starts playing running back because Jamal Williams isn't it. Taysom
Speaker 3: Hill always is good for a few good plays. It's
Speaker 3: like they got some good players here. They haven't protected
Speaker 3: car Well, that's their their number one say.
Speaker 1: They gotta be way better on offense to actually be
Speaker 1: a team that matters, though like they are not like
Speaker 1: you said, they're not protecting car who's now been sacked
Speaker 1: eight times in two games. They haven't scored in the
Speaker 1: first half in either game. Play they they're hitting some
Speaker 1: big throws late in the game and in general getting
Speaker 1: the play here and there to beat mediocre competition. But
Speaker 1: this is not gonna last against big time teams. But
Speaker 1: to your point, right, there aren't a ton on their schedules,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Maybe they're the Vikings this year.
Speaker 3: Mud, I could see that. I see they're like the
Speaker 3: defensive version of the Vikings. It's gonna annoy people, but
Speaker 3: especially if the Falcons end up playing one. We'll see
Speaker 3: about the Bucks. But this NFC South schedule is gonna
Speaker 3: help everyone, and those teams are gonna have a chance
Speaker 3: to make the playoffs. You know, multiple teams in this
Speaker 3: division potentially over some teams that are more talented.
Speaker 1: I can't buy into the Bucks being in this equation
Speaker 1: late in the year, but I totally can see the
Speaker 1: Saints and Falcon.
Speaker 3: I'm not even quite there with I'm not quite there
Speaker 3: on the Bucks.
Speaker 2: You don't need to occupy your mind space with the
Speaker 2: Bucks at this point, Dan.
Speaker 1: I think, in fact, there's too many There's too many
Speaker 1: teams in this NFC South that I'm potentially supposed to
Speaker 1: be taking seriously, and I don't know if I could
Speaker 1: do with any of them. So I'll settle for two
Speaker 1: right now at this juncture of the season. But I
Speaker 1: can't go there with the team in Tampa.
Speaker 2: Even that feels generous. So that's a little bit character.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break here and then we'll
Speaker 1: get you caught up on the news. All right, we're back.
Speaker 1: Let's dive into the news. Here's what you missed today.
Speaker 1: If your head was in well, you could have been
Speaker 1: doing a lot of things, and that's what we're here
Speaker 1: to do. This will get you caught up to day.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Saquon Barkley, who exited action late in
Speaker 1: Sunday's big comeback in Arizona with an ankle injury. It
Speaker 1: looked very frustrated when it happened. Reports in the locker
Speaker 1: room painted him as an unhappy camper amidst a ton
Speaker 1: of smiles and celebrations and you're just fearing for the worst. However,
Speaker 1: reports from rap sheet there was optimism that he avoided
Speaker 1: a major injury, and then a very strange report got
Speaker 1: out there that the ankle injury is in I think
Speaker 1: that the term was an ordinary, an ordinary, which is
Speaker 1: a very strange way to put I guess that means
Speaker 1: not a high ankle spring.
Speaker 3: Think they're saying lower. That's what that means.
Speaker 1: Now, why don't we say lower? Then? Ordinary is a
Speaker 1: very strange way to put it. Anyway, He's expected, according
Speaker 1: to schefter, to miss three weeks, which is not ideal
Speaker 1: for the Giants, but it could have been worse.
Speaker 2: Well, that's so that obviously we already knew that the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers on Thursday night was a no go,
Speaker 2: but the Ians basically already are in a playoff schedule
Speaker 2: type scenario because you go on to that next game
Speaker 2: against the Seahawks, then the Dolphins, then the Bills. We'll
Speaker 2: see if he's there for the Bills. Such a TVD
Speaker 2: but you know minus uh, you know, twenty five minutes
Speaker 2: of football on Sunday, the Giants looked like a total disaster.
Speaker 2: To turn it around right out of the gate. Coming
Speaker 2: off with that, you lose Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I like Matt Brida. It's a major step down from Saquon.
Speaker 2: Their whole offense is built around Saquon, and it's kind
Speaker 2: of just like another.
Speaker 1: Like Matt Brita.
Speaker 2: You what, I like Brita. You still don't like him much.
Speaker 2: They're still Yeah, you got Gary Brightwell and Eric Ray
Speaker 2: if that's your cup of team.
Speaker 3: Matt Brida is not an old man or anything.
Speaker 1: How old he's been around about forty years at this point.
Speaker 3: He bounced around many teams. You are correct, but he
Speaker 3: is only twenty eight and seven.
Speaker 1: Joe Morris, I mean, what else? Who else can we extra.
Speaker 2: And two years old or something?
Speaker 3: I think it's a difference that you in the Browns,
Speaker 3: for instance, that we saw Jerome Ford and they were
Speaker 3: really excited about jerom Ford in the preseason, and we
Speaker 3: saw two special runs. He also had a run that
Speaker 3: should have been like an eight yard loss and he
Speaker 3: ends up having a nice gain on it. The Giants
Speaker 3: have one of the most lackluster backup running back rooms,
Speaker 3: I think in the league, so they could even look
Speaker 3: to pick someone else up. But it's Danny Dimes time.
Speaker 3: It's time for the passing game to really carry them.
Speaker 3: And I gotta say, I know it was against the Cardinals,
Speaker 3: but I was quite encouraged by his performance in that game.
Speaker 3: I think it was one of the best games of
Speaker 3: his career just in terms of the amount of really
Speaker 3: high quality throws he made. I don't know if he
Speaker 3: can back that up week after week, but it was
Speaker 3: encouraging considering the way this season had started, because they're
Speaker 3: gonna need that passing game to carry them now, or
Speaker 3: else they could be one and four. I mean, like
Speaker 3: the over under on them winning those three games is
Speaker 3: what one win out of those three games.
Speaker 1: I think a Giants fan will tell you, and as
Speaker 1: dark as hour, he will admit, just give me one,
Speaker 1: keep my season afloat.
Speaker 3: Get to two and three, Yeah, are not that reasonable?
Speaker 2: From what I recall in my.
Speaker 1: Life, Danny dives he's back. Joe Burrow suffered or aggravated
Speaker 1: that calf injury suffered originally in training camp. Bengals head
Speaker 1: coach Zach Taylor, you know, he was pretty open he
Speaker 1: wasn't sure whether Burrow will be on the field in
Speaker 1: Week three against the Rams. Here's Zach's that's hard to
Speaker 1: say right now.
Speaker 3: You know, I did it really one of the last
Speaker 3: three plays of the game, probably so just sore we
Speaker 3: have done anything on the field yet.
Speaker 1: All right, this is this is tough. Now, let's I
Speaker 1: want to check out this Bengals schedule because I think
Speaker 1: the move and I know fantasy heads don't want to
Speaker 1: hear this, and Bengals fans don't want to hear us.
Speaker 1: I think you got to shut this guy down for
Speaker 1: a few weeks and see if you can get this
Speaker 1: thing taken care of before it blows your season. In
Speaker 1: the second half, they have homing the Rams, then they have.
Speaker 3: Y don't want to hear that. They're the Monday night
Speaker 3: football game next week.
Speaker 1: I know these primetime games are getting dinged a little
Speaker 1: bit with these injuries. Rams at home at Tennessee at Arizona.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you today's September eighteenth, or taping this game.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping Burrow out of the lineup until October fifteenth v. Seahawks.
Speaker 1: That's just me. I'm very concerned about this injury. It's
Speaker 1: going to be something if they don't really give it
Speaker 1: the proper time. I don't think it ever heals, and
Speaker 1: it's it could blow up their whole season. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a worst case scenario.
Speaker 2: It is, but it's like, you know what, you know,
Speaker 2: what they already did was give them that amount of
Speaker 2: time to heal from it. It's like, uh, and when
Speaker 2: he injured it, you know, there were people saying that
Speaker 2: he had the kind of a sleeve on his calf already,
Speaker 2: like something had already happened to him.
Speaker 3: He alluded to that that, yeah, that he was already
Speaker 3: fighting through it every day that he got hurt.
Speaker 1: So I think so you can unless doctors are saying
Speaker 1: it's one of those things, well it can't get worse
Speaker 1: if you play on it. But I don't think that's
Speaker 1: how calves work. You could rip the thing, or god forbid,
Speaker 1: the Achilles goes and then all of a sudden, we're
Speaker 1: talking in an even darker world, It's just one of
Speaker 1: those injuries. The calf is a tricky one for a
Speaker 1: professional athlete, and I'd be super nervous in the Midwest.
Speaker 2: And it's it's sort of, you know, over the couple
Speaker 2: weeks of the season, it's it's just yet another team
Speaker 2: where their destiny just teeters on the brink, on the edge,
Speaker 2: because it was I kind of was like listening to
Speaker 2: people saying, like in the lead up to the season, like, oh,
Speaker 2: we don't know about Burrow's calf, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: isn't he healthy, Like he's like not on the injury report,
Speaker 2: he's fine, like like probably he'll be okay, and like
Speaker 2: uh bang out of the gate, like he's hobbling after
Speaker 2: that loss, and it's just like, man, this thing could
Speaker 2: go so far south. And it's like you take him
Speaker 2: out of the mix. And the Bengals are a five
Speaker 2: win team and they already didn't look good with him
Speaker 2: in the lineup.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean their offense has struggled with him in
Speaker 3: there you have Jake Browning. This was something I was
Speaker 3: hammering over and over in the preseason that I didn't
Speaker 3: understand why they would go into the season with Browning
Speaker 3: v Simeon, who just both looked terrible, terrible in the preseason.
Speaker 3: And honestly, it might have been a little canary in
Speaker 3: the cold mine there because they were playing with the
Speaker 3: starters at some point and they couldn't move the ball
Speaker 3: with t Higgins and Chase, so maybe it was more
Speaker 3: of a systemic thing. But Burrow talked after the game
Speaker 3: and he just sounded so downbeat and it's so unlike him,
Speaker 3: and it was so different than how he sounded after
Speaker 3: week one, where he was very defiant after week one,
Speaker 3: saying like, basically, I'm gonna be great and this we
Speaker 3: just got to work through this. And then after week
Speaker 3: two he's saying, I need to get some sleeps. I
Speaker 3: really can't tell how this is gonna be. You could
Speaker 3: tell he was down about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's got to be hugely frustrating because
Speaker 1: it was something he thought was in the rear view
Speaker 1: and for it now to pop back up at a
Speaker 1: time when the team is struggling. I think he just feels,
Speaker 1: I would imagine, in a vulnerable, frustrated spot. His rival,
Speaker 1: his greatest rival is Patrick Mahomes. There is nothing negative
Speaker 1: to report around Mahomes on this Monday night because the
Speaker 1: superstar quarterback in the Kansas City Chiefs agreed to terms
Speaker 1: on a restructured deal that pays the QB two hundred
Speaker 1: and ten point six million between now and the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six season. That's the most in history over a
Speaker 1: four year span. According to rap Sheet and the Pell Raiser,
Speaker 1: the agreement could reach two hundred and eighteen million with
Speaker 1: escalators by the end of twenty six. And here's the
Speaker 1: thing that's kind of interesting about this one, Gregy two
Speaker 1: hundred and ten all guaranteed over four years, and the deal,
Speaker 1: the original Mega deal is basically done. It's basically ripped up.
Speaker 1: So it went from him having eight years left on
Speaker 1: his deal with the Chiefs to three, which really opens
Speaker 1: the door wide open for the New York Jets. Let's
Speaker 1: start from that angle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think stop. He surprised me. It's like,
Speaker 3: I've got my door key contract point to make and
Speaker 3: then you hit me with that. It's funny because he
Speaker 3: said it effectively ends after twenty twenty six, but that's unofficially. Officially,
Speaker 3: it like goes on beyond that. But it's like these
Speaker 3: weird ghost dummy years that I'm not totally smart enough
Speaker 3: to fully understand. But they did similar stuff with Drew
Speaker 3: Brees and Tom Brady in the sense that like, we're
Speaker 3: gonna have control of you, even though we know we
Speaker 3: have to make you a new contract at the point
Speaker 3: you're not actually gonna have any chance to get to
Speaker 3: the open market. But this was a bigger deal than
Speaker 3: I expected because it's all guaranteed. It gives him more
Speaker 3: control sooner in the deal. And I guess it's that
Speaker 3: point we talked about when he first signed it, that
Speaker 3: at some point they're gonna have to fix him and
Speaker 3: make him the highest paid guy again. And it only
Speaker 3: took a few years until he was like, I'm sick
Speaker 3: of playing against this dirt bag in Cleveland that has
Speaker 3: fifty million dollars more guaranteed. And then now like five
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks have more guaranteed than me. It's time. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying that contract. Let's not forget that contract.
Speaker 2: I just like I would have had a if I
Speaker 2: owned a house, I would have wagered the fact that
Speaker 2: there was no way he was just gonna sit pat
Speaker 2: in that ten year deal or whatever it was, you know,
Speaker 2: year after year, and just it's of course this was
Speaker 2: gonna happen, and like I try to, you know, with
Speaker 2: all the white noise we're dealing with left and where
Speaker 2: like in this league, like the contract stuff, cool, you
Speaker 2: got richer, you deserve it, have a nice day, doesn't
Speaker 2: affect me.
Speaker 1: One of my least favorite recurring storylines I've said it
Speaker 1: on this podcast for the last three years, has been
Speaker 1: has been the handwringing about, look how underpaid Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: is relative to these other quarterbacks, like these contracts. He
Speaker 1: signed a ten year deal, but it wasn't like we
Speaker 1: were revisiting it in twenty thirty. They always make adjustments,
Speaker 1: they always change it. And look now, yeah, look at
Speaker 1: all the digital links spilled.
Speaker 3: Wait, it's it's because it's like a salary cap. It's
Speaker 3: it's it's it's socialism inside of a free market enterprise.
Speaker 3: People like the most American thing of all is capping
Speaker 3: these dollars. It's the same reason why Lebron James and
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown make the same amount of money. It's like,
Speaker 3: you can't give Lebron James any more money.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a whole broken league over there.
Speaker 3: But that's essentially what this league is. The top ten
Speaker 3: quarterbacks all make basically the same amount of money because like,
Speaker 3: you can't even go any further.
Speaker 1: No, I would say, like Jalen Brown, that would be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know Jimmy Garoppolo being the highest paid player
Speaker 1: in the league.
Speaker 3: Right, but Rudy Gobert makes that money too. It's like
Speaker 3: it's totally it's totally ridiculous, but that's that's Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 3: Dan at one point was the highest paid player in
Speaker 3: the NFL.
Speaker 1: See how I made that point for you.
Speaker 3: It was before Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Remember when Joe Flacco got his big payday, right, he
Speaker 1: was to Joe Flacco, He went to McDonald's after signing
Speaker 1: his big mega deal. He's just an average Joe.
Speaker 2: Sold by the way I saw Joe Flacco in person.
Speaker 2: I think I told you this couple of times, like
Speaker 2: during the New York uh Super Bowl with the snowfall
Speaker 2: coming down on that Monday morning after and Joe Flacco
Speaker 2: exited the hotel where I was staying, and it was like,
Speaker 2: in my impression of Joe Flacco was kind of dull, boring,
Speaker 2: but in person, like dashing far taller than you'd expect,
Speaker 2: commands a presence like all these like mid tier looking
Speaker 2: quarterbacks like in person are like five times more.
Speaker 1: Like we've heard the Mark has decided Joe Flacco is
Speaker 1: hot now.
Speaker 3: Story I don't, yeah, but you know what, he was
Speaker 3: just striking. He's not alone. There's actually a subculture on
Speaker 3: Twitter of like Baltimore people who just like post pictures
Speaker 3: of Joe Flacco, like at the local McDonald's, because he's
Speaker 3: just like always around, walking around to different Donalds. A
Speaker 3: lot of maybe it's i'm I'm I had McDonald's on
Speaker 3: the brain, but it's just like random places in Baltimore
Speaker 3: where he's hanging out and he's like really casual and
Speaker 3: he's kind of looking more like a surfer now, and
Speaker 3: it's just and it's all these I think, Uh, I
Speaker 3: think he's popular. I think he's popular with the ladies.
Speaker 1: Well, he's probably gonna be the Jets quarterback in three weeks,
Speaker 1: so maybe he'll get a haircut, maybe he won't. We'll
Speaker 1: see the you know, speaking of storylines that need to
Speaker 1: go away, I don't need to be talking about cam
Speaker 1: Akers and the rams too much. Longer acres. You know,
Speaker 1: he disobeyed the culture or something for Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: was taken out of the lineup last week, and this
Speaker 1: coming after the drama last season, and there was a
Speaker 1: culture disobeyment then as well, and the culture needs to
Speaker 1: be adhered to and blah blah blah. So NFL Networks
Speaker 1: Ian Rapaport reports that the Rams have had trade talks
Speaker 1: centered around running back cam Acres, which we heard last
Speaker 1: year as well. No trade last year. And guess what,
Speaker 1: I don't imagine any team is gonna want a malcontent
Speaker 1: on their team anyway, so he'll probably just get released
Speaker 1: in a couple of days.
Speaker 2: Well, they did a bad job by who ever you know,
Speaker 2: leaked all this cultural reporting. Why let that get out
Speaker 2: there about this so called malcontent before you try to
Speaker 2: shop him for what like a tube of chapstick. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure we were gonna return. He had twenty nine
Speaker 2: yards on twenty two carries in Week one? What is
Speaker 2: the asking price?
Speaker 3: Well, maybe the Giants would they give up a seventh
Speaker 3: round pick that could upgrade to a sixth round pick
Speaker 3: if he had two hundred carries, or even just swap
Speaker 3: seventh round picks so that the Rams don't have to
Speaker 3: have the embarrassment of cutting this guy. But you're right,
Speaker 3: Mark because that sideline report. I hope all the teams
Speaker 3: know about that sideline report of like whatever the culture
Speaker 3: thing was, I think it was that he didn't you
Speaker 3: have to pledge allegiance to the Rams when you walk in.
Speaker 3: It's this whole thing about Les Snead and McVeigh and
Speaker 3: and he didn't do that when he walked into the building.
Speaker 3: Mcveig McVeigh tried to say afterwards, Oh, no, it was nothing.
Speaker 3: We just thought it was best for the team. He's
Speaker 3: been great. It's like no one, no one's believing you.
Speaker 1: You have this little bent the culture. If you this
Speaker 1: up bad I do not follow our culture, you will
Speaker 1: be eliminated. Something like that.
Speaker 3: Kyrone Williams Fantasy owners, let's go two big games.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm gonna give up like a Day
Speaker 1: three draft pick for a running back in today's NFL,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get Jonathan Taylor for a fifth I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just me. In other news, here's some injury quick
Speaker 1: injury stuff before we say.
Speaker 3: Goodbye Brown's Jonathan Taylor. That would be kind of spacey.
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson and Jalen Waddle Colts quarterback Dolphins wide receiver
Speaker 1: both in concussion protocol. They have to clear that to play.
Speaker 1: In week three, we shall see a lines running back
Speaker 1: David Montgomery. He's out a few weeks. What did he
Speaker 1: get hurt? What was his malady?
Speaker 3: It was a quad injury and he told reporters in
Speaker 3: the locker room, Yeah, it's gonna take a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: And then Dan Campbell went on the podium like twenty
Speaker 3: minutes later and was said he's day to day. So
Speaker 3: that's that's one team that like they haven't gotten the
Speaker 3: injury messaging across to their players because David Montgomery was
Speaker 3: just being honest, but David Dan Campbell was not right.
Speaker 1: He just he walked up to the assembled media. So
Speaker 1: I got an odd quad. James Houston, their pass rusher,
Speaker 1: out six long weeks, and Halo Vytai may go to
Speaker 1: two injured reserve.
Speaker 2: So they only have their defense, which you know looked
Speaker 2: improved against the Chiefs. A lot of questions coming out
Speaker 2: of the Seahawks game. One sack on the year, You've
Speaker 2: you've lost Houston, Charles Harris decent player, You've got the
Speaker 2: Aquaro brother Julian and Romeo are brothers as pass rushers
Speaker 2: on this team. That's an unusual scenario. That was news
Speaker 2: to me. But you're kind of thin there, like, and
Speaker 2: I thought they didn't really they had a chance where
Speaker 2: they're playing the Seahawks on Sunday with two backup tackles
Speaker 2: and didn't impact the game much. So I don't love
Speaker 2: that for Detroit. Like I I'm a little concerned about
Speaker 2: the depth at edge.
Speaker 1: All right. Also, the Cardinals were without Buddha Baker, their
Speaker 1: best defensive player on Sunday against the Giants, and get
Speaker 1: used to it because he's headed to injured reserve with
Speaker 1: a hamstring injury. He'll be eligible to return Week seven
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks. And finally an injury news Eagles cornerback
Speaker 1: of Ante Maddox he'll undergo surgery for a torn peck.
Speaker 1: That's never a good thing. Many times it will cost
Speaker 1: you the season. Also, this is a bad one. Chauncey
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson, the man who started the blue mask Troit
Speaker 1: trend in Detroit, he is out in definitely with a
Speaker 1: potentially torn pictorial is the report. NFL Network Insarder's Rappaport
Speaker 1: and Garafolla reported Monday night. Monday night he could miss
Speaker 1: the rest of the season as well Ouchers. He's an
Speaker 1: important part of what they do and a leader in
Speaker 1: that locker room. And finally, I don't know how plugged
Speaker 1: in people are on this, but in our town where
Speaker 1: we live, it is a Mondo deal. There are a
Speaker 1: couple of different strikes going on right now that have
Speaker 1: completely shut down the entertainment industry and because of that,
Speaker 1: networks and streamers and everyone else are scrambling for content
Speaker 1: and things to put on the air this fall. Well, ABC,
Speaker 1: they shrugged their shoulders and they're just gonna put the
Speaker 1: entire Monday night football slate on their I guess, you
Speaker 1: know Channel seven where I grew up there, so their
Speaker 1: network channel. I feel like the ESPN's like, hey wait
Speaker 1: a second, that sucks. But I guess maybe they get
Speaker 1: the ratings.
Speaker 3: I don't know, right I was thinking like if they're
Speaker 3: gonna do this and it's the same company, it's like
Speaker 3: the same you know, four companies that own the entire world, Like,
Speaker 3: why not just do this the whole time? You could
Speaker 3: have just had Monday night football. I'm sure it's doing
Speaker 3: better than you know, the repeats of Elias. I can't
Speaker 3: think of an ABC show. Was that a show.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched an ABC show since the Wonder Years,
Speaker 1: so let me see ABC hit shows.
Speaker 2: Dan, I grew up with Anatomy too, Gray's Anatomy, Like
Speaker 2: I grew up a Channel seven too. I just wondered,
Speaker 2: like I was just thinking this, like reading all this,
Speaker 2: it's like, uh, how many What is the subset of
Speaker 2: people that if you are attached to cable, which everyone
Speaker 2: has been for forty years at this point, that you
Speaker 2: don't have ESPN but you do have ABC. I feel
Speaker 2: like there's more people that have ESPN and don't care
Speaker 2: about ABC or have ABC. It feels like a weird uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know who you're what subs.
Speaker 3: Let's bring the satellite back. Let's bring they are kind
Speaker 3: of coming back. I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 3: We're bringing it back, Dan, satellite. This is people. People
Speaker 3: are buying the old Bunny ears and you don't have
Speaker 3: to pay anything. You just buy the years. You put
Speaker 3: them up and you can watch some Jake Browning versus
Speaker 3: The Rams next Monday night. Cool.
Speaker 1: Here's some ABC shows. I mentioned an Anatomy, Blackish, I
Speaker 1: think that's still a show that was that was a hit.
Speaker 1: Abbot Elementary, that's got good pop. I watched one app
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: Fine Colleen, Colleen Loves and Keisha Love Abbot Elementary. That
Speaker 3: that that trip to Tybee, it was like all Abbot
Speaker 3: Elementary and I fell for it too. I'm a fan.
Speaker 3: I didn't follow it up after that weekend, but I
Speaker 3: was a fan.
Speaker 1: I I believe it's set in like Philadelphia, so that
Speaker 1: that I'm sure factors and as well. Apparently America's Funniest
Speaker 1: Home Videos Mark is still in the air. There's a show,
Speaker 1: those videos are still funny. Oh the Bachelor, that's a
Speaker 1: big one.
Speaker 3: That's their big Yeah, that makes sense, that's a big
Speaker 3: I think Elias is set to come back. Jennifer Garner
Speaker 3: two point zero. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: And I guess wonder years is back on again is
Speaker 1: that they've rebooted it.
Speaker 3: They did reboot it.
Speaker 2: No, you don't say new situation.
Speaker 1: Great, that's great. That's what we do now. We don't
Speaker 1: have new ideas anymore. We just reboot good idea is
Speaker 1: from thirty years ago and try to pass them off.
Speaker 3: And where society is at big funk in our chat here,
Speaker 3: lets us know there's a trend of gen z on
Speaker 3: TikTok using paper clips or staples even as antennas on
Speaker 3: their TV and they can make it happen. That sounds
Speaker 3: like a fun thing.
Speaker 1: Aren't you plucky underdogs? And also Funk says it actually
Speaker 1: just got canceled.
Speaker 3: Wonder years I believe is gone. I mean everything's getting canceled.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we're not canceled.
Speaker 1: Well just wait, everybody's number gets called eventually. All right, uh,
Speaker 1: weird night. I hope you're okay, Nick Chubb, I know
Speaker 1: you're not okay right now. Let's get him back on
Speaker 1: the field week one next year, Adrian Peterson style Peterson's style,
Speaker 1: and and that would be nice. And we'll be back
Speaker 1: on Wednesday with the Great Colleen Wolf. And check out
Speaker 1: our NFL Plus game of the week which was Falcons Packers.
Speaker 1: And it's all coming up again around the bend.
Speaker 3: Be the call. H