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Speaker 3: And this one is jam. Not just the two Monday

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cleveland Brown's running back Nick Chubb suffered a terrible

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Speaker 3: It's like that injury happened. There were just injuries everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And the Steelers nineteen ninety one, October fourteenth, nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a testaments how incredible they in terms

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Speaker 3: But you know what, that kind of night there, that's

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Speaker 1: You're right the way, does anybody want to hear the

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Speaker 1: fact that I needed three points in Jamal Williams tonight

435
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: in my fantasy league? No, probably.

436
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Speaker 3: Another injury.

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Speaker 1: The Saints take care of business on the road, beating

438
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Speaker 1: a Panthers team that is still searching for it on

439
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: offense twenty to seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr and the New Orleans offense. No great shakes

442
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: in this game. Again, playing without Alvin Kamara suspended and

443
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 1: losing Jamal Williams early on, that doesn't help a lot.

444
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: You got a lot of Taysom Hill in this game.

445
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Speaker 1: And just like last week, Derek Carr maybe the overwhelmed

446
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: with a great quarterback play, but when he needed a

447
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: big play, he hits Rashid Shaheed for forty five yards.

448
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: That was a major, major conversion in this game. And

449
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: from there Mark it was about the defense of the Saints,

450
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: which pretty much that this looks closer than it really was.

451
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: It was twenty ten, and then they played this like

452
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Speaker 1: crazy prevent d which drives me nuts. To give up

453
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: eight more points. It was twenty to nine. But Carolina

454
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 1: did nothing in this game on offense.

455
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so I would give credit to Derek Carr

456
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Speaker 2: because I think that the opposite of what I just

457
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: talked about with Cleveland's offense is that two weeks in

458
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: a row, you know, car seems emotionally unaffected by the

459
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: slow start and finds a way to make plays and

460
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: get the Saints out of trouble. In this you're helped

461
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: by playing a Carolina offense that is, you know, underdeveloped

462
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: and lost at sea. Their offensive line play is rough.

463
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: Got at feeling in DJ shark as your wideouts. They

464
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Speaker 2: had forty four yards rushing like midway through the third quarter,

465
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Speaker 2: eighty five yards total in the first half. Bryce Young

466
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Speaker 2: is just sort of figuring it out and the Saints

467
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Speaker 2: defense comes in and takes advantage of that. I kind

468
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Speaker 2: of watched this and felt like, why is this on

469
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: prime It's not feel like a primetime game to me.

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Speaker 2: It did not feel like a I mean, there's two

471
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Speaker 2: islands tonight, but it didn't feel like it belonged on

472
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Speaker 2: any island to me. It was a bit of a

473
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Speaker 2: rough watch. But it's like you're gonna get that because

474
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Speaker 2: you're throwing Bryce Young on national television in week two

475
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: and like, I like some things I see, but it's like,

476
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Speaker 2: that's just sort of that's the Saints. Just it's a

477
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Speaker 2: sitting duck for the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 3: Well, not all prime time games are created equal, certainly

479
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: not they You know that they the ESPN, ABC chooses

480
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Speaker 3: which game to send the A team to. That was

481
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Speaker 3: the first game we talked about. And then it's a

482
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Speaker 3: spot where you get the number one overall pick in

483
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Speaker 3: primetime before they might have a bad record later in

484
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Speaker 3: the year. This is only one oh and one. Unfortunately,

485
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: a lot of times early picks aren't really putting a

486
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 3: good position to succeed right away. Now. CJ. Strouds looked

487
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: okay and Anthony Richardson's had his moments, it hadn't stayed

488
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Speaker 3: on the field, but Bryce Young you mentioned it is

489
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Speaker 3: just surrounded by so many things that aren't working. His

490
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: offensive line, a lack of explosion at receiver, and he's

491
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 3: not able to overcome that either. And it's largely because

492
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: he's playing a defense that seems almost built for this moment.

493
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: They built for this season because I was thinking the

494
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: Saints didn't give up a touchdown in their first one

495
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen minutes of this season until that garbage time,

496
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: and I was like, wow, well, it's not going to

497
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 3: be this good though, when they start playing real teams

498
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: and I look at the schedule and it's like there

499
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 3: aren't many good offenses on this Atlanta will be a

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Speaker 3: challenge and there'll be other challenges. Certainly they played Green

501
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 3: Bay next week. I'm not saying they're a favorite for that,

502
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: but you look up and down, you don't see them

503
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 3: play a murderer's row, and they seem like the type

504
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: of defense it's been together a long time. It's players,

505
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: not plays. Marshall Latimore is giving up fifteen yards this

506
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 3: year to Mario Davis made the biggest play of this

507
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: game with a big time sack on Bryce Young. They're

508
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: just in tune. Pete Warner's making plays all over the field,

509
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: Cameron Jordan's there. It's just it's a good defense that

510
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: I think is gonna beat up on some bad offenses.

511
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Speaker 3: And they got a lot of bad offenses on their schedule.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what kind of just from a purest

513
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Speaker 1: standpoint of I want this game to match, the score

514
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: to match with the game was. I wish they would

515
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: have played real defense on that last drive because they

516
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: let the Panthers dnk and dunk seventy five yards for

517
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Speaker 1: the touchdown two point conversion. Bryce Young finished with one

518
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three yards passing. I think I think

519
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: virtually all, if not all, those seventy five yards on

520
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: the last drive were on checkdown passes through the air,

521
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: a little dumpoffs, so he threw for about seventy five yards.

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Speaker 1: In the first fifty eight minutes of the game. They

523
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Speaker 1: did nothing. They couldn't really get anything going on the ground.

524
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Speaker 1: Carolina only nineteen carries, so they kind of took that

525
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Speaker 1: out of the realm of things as well. And Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for me, what you're saying is right, Greg I don't

527
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: see the Saints. I picked the Saints in the division

528
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Speaker 1: because you just don't see a huge level of competition

529
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Speaker 1: around them. So, like, the Saints and the Falcons are

530
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: two teams that stand out to me as groups that

531
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Speaker 1: can win ten or even eleven games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah about those two and oh Bucks, we got three

533
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: undefeated teams in this division. Wow, you're not there. I'm

534
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: not really putting that if that's true too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Panthers are hanging out there, they're waiting,

536
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: They're waiting for liftoff mark because this this idea, of course,

537
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: is that you finally get the quarterback you want. But maybe, uh,

538
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: David Tepper's learning that. Well, it's not that simple either.

539
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: You've got to build around the kid, and right now

540
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think their strength, if anything, you would say,

542
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: would be a defense that can, you know, disrupt certain opponents.

543
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: Shaq Thompson heard tonight.

544
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Speaker 3: J C.

545
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Speaker 2: Horn obviously out for a while. That's a big loss. Like,

546
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Speaker 2: I know, he's not been on the field as much

547
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: as you'd want it all, but like he is a

548
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: fascinating cornerback. That's a big loss for them. So it's

549
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: like they are another one of these teams, just like

550
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: you're taking players out of the mix over and over

551
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: and who knows what their overall like team building philosophy is.

552
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: But we're a couple of years into this general manager

553
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: and like the offense is punchless without a lot of

554
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: big names, and you got a rookie quarterback in a

555
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: tough situation and the defense losing guys. So it's like,

556
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: once again, the Panther's a little there, they're a step behind,

557
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: and it's like it's a developmental year. And like I

558
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: like Frank Reich, and I think Frank Reich is Maybe

559
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: I'm out of maybe I'm saying this incorrectly, but I

560
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: p Lea's like a little over celebrated where it's like, oh,

561
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: it's Frank Reich. So it's security and a great offense.

562
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: Like maybe I don't know what he's done. That's such

563
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: a difference making situation. From a coaching level, I think

564
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: he brings like a Ron Rivera offensive types vanilla security

565
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: to the organization. But I'm not overly impressed so far.

566
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Speaker 2: It's like I don't like the I don't like the

567
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: offense at this point.

568
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Speaker 3: The good thing is it's a baseline and they can

569
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: reset expectations that they weren't maybe going to be this

570
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: great surprise team. But it is something where you just

571
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: are hoping in the middle of the season they start

572
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: having one of those runs where you can see the progress,

573
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: mostly out of Bryson, because they have played well on defense.

574
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned Bryce Young had seventy five yards

575
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: late in the game. I mean Derek Carr wasn't above that.

576
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Speaker 3: In the middle of the third quarter. He had about

577
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 3: twenty throws for one hundred yards and had been sacked

578
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: three or four times at one point, and he got

579
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Speaker 3: Frankieluvu and Brian Burns. And it's very similar to their

580
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: Week one game where the defense bawled out for about

581
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: two and a half quarters and at some point they

582
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: just had to give in. And that's why, again I

583
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: say players not plays. The Saints have some good players.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Michael Thomas has looked good enough like he

585
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: looks like Michael Thomas. He made a big play in

586
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: the red zone to set up a touchdown. Chris olav

587
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: had the one of the best catches of the year

588
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: on the sideline, making a diving catch with that that

589
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: one hand of that is just unbelievable. And then you

590
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: mentioned Shaheed. It's like you dial up a Shaheed play

591
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: every once in a while, Taysom Hill gets in there

592
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: starts playing running back because Jamal Williams isn't it. Taysom

593
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: Hill always is good for a few good plays. It's

594
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: like they got some good players here. They haven't protected

595
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: car Well, that's their their number one say.

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Speaker 1: They gotta be way better on offense to actually be

597
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: a team that matters, though like they are not like

598
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Speaker 1: you said, they're not protecting car who's now been sacked

599
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: eight times in two games. They haven't scored in the

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00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: first half in either game. Play they they're hitting some

601
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: big throws late in the game and in general getting

602
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: the play here and there to beat mediocre competition. But

603
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: this is not gonna last against big time teams. But

604
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: to your point, right, there aren't a ton on their schedules,

605
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Speaker 1: so I don't know. Maybe they're the Vikings this year.

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Speaker 3: Mud, I could see that. I see they're like the

607
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: defensive version of the Vikings. It's gonna annoy people, but

608
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: especially if the Falcons end up playing one. We'll see

609
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: about the Bucks. But this NFC South schedule is gonna

610
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: help everyone, and those teams are gonna have a chance

611
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: to make the playoffs. You know, multiple teams in this

612
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: division potentially over some teams that are more talented.

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Speaker 1: I can't buy into the Bucks being in this equation

614
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: late in the year, but I totally can see the

615
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: Saints and Falcon.

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00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm not even quite there with I'm not quite there

617
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: on the Bucks.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to occupy your mind space with the

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Speaker 2: Bucks at this point, Dan.

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Speaker 1: I think, in fact, there's too many There's too many

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Speaker 1: teams in this NFC South that I'm potentially supposed to

622
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: be taking seriously, and I don't know if I could

623
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Speaker 1: do with any of them. So I'll settle for two

624
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: right now at this juncture of the season. But I

625
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: can't go there with the team in Tampa.

626
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: Even that feels generous. So that's a little bit character.

627
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break here and then we'll

628
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: get you caught up on the news. All right, we're back.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive into the news. Here's what you missed today.

630
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: If your head was in well, you could have been

631
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: doing a lot of things, and that's what we're here

632
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: to do. This will get you caught up to day.

633
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: Let's start with Saquon Barkley, who exited action late in

634
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: Sunday's big comeback in Arizona with an ankle injury. It

635
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: looked very frustrated when it happened. Reports in the locker

636
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: room painted him as an unhappy camper amidst a ton

637
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: of smiles and celebrations and you're just fearing for the worst. However,

638
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: reports from rap sheet there was optimism that he avoided

639
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: a major injury, and then a very strange report got

640
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: out there that the ankle injury is in I think

641
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: that the term was an ordinary, an ordinary, which is

642
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: a very strange way to put I guess that means

643
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: not a high ankle spring.

644
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: Think they're saying lower. That's what that means.

645
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: Now, why don't we say lower? Then? Ordinary is a

646
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: very strange way to put it. Anyway, He's expected, according

647
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: to schefter, to miss three weeks, which is not ideal

648
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: for the Giants, but it could have been worse.

649
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Speaker 2: Well, that's so that obviously we already knew that the

650
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: forty nine ers on Thursday night was a no go,

651
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: but the Ians basically already are in a playoff schedule

652
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: type scenario because you go on to that next game

653
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: against the Seahawks, then the Dolphins, then the Bills. We'll

654
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: see if he's there for the Bills. Such a TVD

655
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: but you know minus uh, you know, twenty five minutes

656
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: of football on Sunday, the Giants looked like a total disaster.

657
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: To turn it around right out of the gate. Coming

658
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: off with that, you lose Saquon Barkley.

659
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Uh.

660
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: I like Matt Brida. It's a major step down from Saquon.

661
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: Their whole offense is built around Saquon, and it's kind

662
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: of just like another.

663
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: Like Matt Brita.

664
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: You what, I like Brita. You still don't like him much.

665
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: They're still Yeah, you got Gary Brightwell and Eric Ray

666
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: if that's your cup of team.

667
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: Matt Brida is not an old man or anything.

668
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: How old he's been around about forty years at this point.

669
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: He bounced around many teams. You are correct, but he

670
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: is only twenty eight and seven.

671
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: Joe Morris, I mean, what else? Who else can we extra.

672
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: And two years old or something?

673
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a difference that you in the Browns,

674
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: for instance, that we saw Jerome Ford and they were

675
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 3: really excited about jerom Ford in the preseason, and we

676
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 3: saw two special runs. He also had a run that

677
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: should have been like an eight yard loss and he

678
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 3: ends up having a nice gain on it. The Giants

679
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: have one of the most lackluster backup running back rooms,

680
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: I think in the league, so they could even look

681
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 3: to pick someone else up. But it's Danny Dimes time.

682
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: It's time for the passing game to really carry them.

683
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: And I gotta say, I know it was against the Cardinals,

684
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: but I was quite encouraged by his performance in that game.

685
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: I think it was one of the best games of

686
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 3: his career just in terms of the amount of really

687
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: high quality throws he made. I don't know if he

688
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: can back that up week after week, but it was

689
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: encouraging considering the way this season had started, because they're

690
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: gonna need that passing game to carry them now, or

691
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: else they could be one and four. I mean, like

692
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: the over under on them winning those three games is

693
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: what one win out of those three games.

694
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Speaker 1: I think a Giants fan will tell you, and as

695
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: dark as hour, he will admit, just give me one,

696
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: keep my season afloat.

697
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: Get to two and three, Yeah, are not that reasonable?

698
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: From what I recall in my.

699
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: Life, Danny dives he's back. Joe Burrow suffered or aggravated

700
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: that calf injury suffered originally in training camp. Bengals head

701
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: coach Zach Taylor, you know, he was pretty open he

702
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: wasn't sure whether Burrow will be on the field in

703
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: Week three against the Rams. Here's Zach's that's hard to

704
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: say right now.

705
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: You know, I did it really one of the last

706
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: three plays of the game, probably so just sore we

707
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: have done anything on the field yet.

708
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: All right, this is this is tough. Now, let's I

709
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: want to check out this Bengals schedule because I think

710
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: the move and I know fantasy heads don't want to

711
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: hear this, and Bengals fans don't want to hear us.

712
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: I think you got to shut this guy down for

713
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: a few weeks and see if you can get this

714
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: thing taken care of before it blows your season. In

715
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: the second half, they have homing the Rams, then they have.

716
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: Y don't want to hear that. They're the Monday night

717
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: football game next week.

718
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: I know these primetime games are getting dinged a little

719
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: bit with these injuries. Rams at home at Tennessee at Arizona.

720
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm telling you today's September eighteenth, or taping this game.

721
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm keeping Burrow out of the lineup until October fifteenth v. Seahawks.

722
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: That's just me. I'm very concerned about this injury. It's

723
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: going to be something if they don't really give it

724
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: the proper time. I don't think it ever heals, and

725
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: it's it could blow up their whole season. It's kind

726
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: of a worst case scenario.

727
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: It is, but it's like, you know what, you know,

728
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: what they already did was give them that amount of

729
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: time to heal from it. It's like, uh, and when

730
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: he injured it, you know, there were people saying that

731
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: he had the kind of a sleeve on his calf already,

732
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: like something had already happened to him.

733
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: He alluded to that that, yeah, that he was already

734
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 3: fighting through it every day that he got hurt.

735
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: So I think so you can unless doctors are saying

736
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: it's one of those things, well it can't get worse

737
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: if you play on it. But I don't think that's

738
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: how calves work. You could rip the thing, or god forbid,

739
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: the Achilles goes and then all of a sudden, we're

740
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: talking in an even darker world, It's just one of

741
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: those injuries. The calf is a tricky one for a

742
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: professional athlete, and I'd be super nervous in the Midwest.

743
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: And it's it's sort of, you know, over the couple

744
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: weeks of the season, it's it's just yet another team

745
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 2: where their destiny just teeters on the brink, on the edge,

746
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: because it was I kind of was like listening to

747
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: people saying, like in the lead up to the season, like, oh,

748
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: we don't know about Burrow's calf, and it's like, well,

749
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: isn't he healthy, Like he's like not on the injury report,

750
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: he's fine, like like probably he'll be okay, and like

751
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: uh bang out of the gate, like he's hobbling after

752
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: that loss, and it's just like, man, this thing could

753
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: go so far south. And it's like you take him

754
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: out of the mix. And the Bengals are a five

755
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: win team and they already didn't look good with him

756
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: in the lineup.

757
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: Right, I mean their offense has struggled with him in

758
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: there you have Jake Browning. This was something I was

759
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 3: hammering over and over in the preseason that I didn't

760
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: understand why they would go into the season with Browning

761
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: v Simeon, who just both looked terrible, terrible in the preseason.

762
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: And honestly, it might have been a little canary in

763
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: the cold mine there because they were playing with the

764
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 3: starters at some point and they couldn't move the ball

765
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: with t Higgins and Chase, so maybe it was more

766
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: of a systemic thing. But Burrow talked after the game

767
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 3: and he just sounded so downbeat and it's so unlike him,

768
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: and it was so different than how he sounded after

769
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 3: week one, where he was very defiant after week one,

770
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: saying like, basically, I'm gonna be great and this we

771
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: just got to work through this. And then after week

772
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: two he's saying, I need to get some sleeps. I

773
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 3: really can't tell how this is gonna be. You could

774
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: tell he was down about it.

775
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's got to be hugely frustrating because

776
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: it was something he thought was in the rear view

777
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: and for it now to pop back up at a

778
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: time when the team is struggling. I think he just feels,

779
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: I would imagine, in a vulnerable, frustrated spot. His rival,

780
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: his greatest rival is Patrick Mahomes. There is nothing negative

781
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: to report around Mahomes on this Monday night because the

782
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: superstar quarterback in the Kansas City Chiefs agreed to terms

783
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: on a restructured deal that pays the QB two hundred

784
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: and ten point six million between now and the twenty

785
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: twenty six season. That's the most in history over a

786
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: four year span. According to rap Sheet and the Pell Raiser,

787
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: the agreement could reach two hundred and eighteen million with

788
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: escalators by the end of twenty six. And here's the

789
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: thing that's kind of interesting about this one, Gregy two

790
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: hundred and ten all guaranteed over four years, and the deal,

791
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: the original Mega deal is basically done. It's basically ripped up.

792
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: So it went from him having eight years left on

793
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: his deal with the Chiefs to three, which really opens

794
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: the door wide open for the New York Jets. Let's

795
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: start from that angle.

796
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think stop. He surprised me. It's like,

797
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: I've got my door key contract point to make and

798
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: then you hit me with that. It's funny because he

799
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 3: said it effectively ends after twenty twenty six, but that's unofficially. Officially,

800
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: it like goes on beyond that. But it's like these

801
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 3: weird ghost dummy years that I'm not totally smart enough

802
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: to fully understand. But they did similar stuff with Drew

803
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: Brees and Tom Brady in the sense that like, we're

804
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: gonna have control of you, even though we know we

805
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: have to make you a new contract at the point

806
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: you're not actually gonna have any chance to get to

807
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 3: the open market. But this was a bigger deal than

808
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: I expected because it's all guaranteed. It gives him more

809
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: control sooner in the deal. And I guess it's that

810
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: point we talked about when he first signed it, that

811
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: at some point they're gonna have to fix him and

812
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: make him the highest paid guy again. And it only

813
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 3: took a few years until he was like, I'm sick

814
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: of playing against this dirt bag in Cleveland that has

815
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: fifty million dollars more guaranteed. And then now like five

816
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks have more guaranteed than me. It's time. I'm

817
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: just saying that contract. Let's not forget that contract.

818
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: I just like I would have had a if I

819
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: owned a house, I would have wagered the fact that

820
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: there was no way he was just gonna sit pat

821
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: in that ten year deal or whatever it was, you know,

822
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: year after year, and just it's of course this was

823
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: gonna happen, and like I try to, you know, with

824
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: all the white noise we're dealing with left and where

825
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: like in this league, like the contract stuff, cool, you

826
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: got richer, you deserve it, have a nice day, doesn't

827
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: affect me.

828
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: One of my least favorite recurring storylines I've said it

829
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: on this podcast for the last three years, has been

830
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: has been the handwringing about, look how underpaid Patrick Mahomes

831
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: is relative to these other quarterbacks, like these contracts. He

832
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: signed a ten year deal, but it wasn't like we

833
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: were revisiting it in twenty thirty. They always make adjustments,

834
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: they always change it. And look now, yeah, look at

835
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: all the digital links spilled.

836
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: Wait, it's it's because it's like a salary cap. It's

837
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: it's it's it's socialism inside of a free market enterprise.

838
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: People like the most American thing of all is capping

839
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: these dollars. It's the same reason why Lebron James and

840
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown make the same amount of money. It's like,

841
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 3: you can't give Lebron James any more money.

842
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a whole broken league over there.

843
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: But that's essentially what this league is. The top ten

844
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: quarterbacks all make basically the same amount of money because like,

845
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: you can't even go any further.

846
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: No, I would say, like Jalen Brown, that would be like,

847
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't know Jimmy Garoppolo being the highest paid player

848
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: in the league.

849
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: Right, but Rudy Gobert makes that money too. It's like

850
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: it's totally it's totally ridiculous, but that's that's Jimmy Garoppolo.

851
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: Dan at one point was the highest paid player in

852
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 3: the NFL.

853
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: See how I made that point for you.

854
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 3: It was before Patrick Mahomes.

855
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Remember when Joe Flacco got his big payday, right, he

856
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: was to Joe Flacco, He went to McDonald's after signing

857
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: his big mega deal. He's just an average Joe.

858
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: Sold by the way I saw Joe Flacco in person.

859
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: I think I told you this couple of times, like

860
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: during the New York uh Super Bowl with the snowfall

861
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: coming down on that Monday morning after and Joe Flacco

862
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: exited the hotel where I was staying, and it was like,

863
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: in my impression of Joe Flacco was kind of dull, boring,

864
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: but in person, like dashing far taller than you'd expect,

865
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: commands a presence like all these like mid tier looking

866
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: quarterbacks like in person are like five times more.

867
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: Like we've heard the Mark has decided Joe Flacco is

868
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: hot now.

869
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: Story I don't, yeah, but you know what, he was

870
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: just striking. He's not alone. There's actually a subculture on

871
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: Twitter of like Baltimore people who just like post pictures

872
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: of Joe Flacco, like at the local McDonald's, because he's

873
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: just like always around, walking around to different Donalds. A

874
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: lot of maybe it's i'm I'm I had McDonald's on

875
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 3: the brain, but it's just like random places in Baltimore

876
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: where he's hanging out and he's like really casual and

877
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: he's kind of looking more like a surfer now, and

878
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: it's just and it's all these I think, Uh, I

879
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 3: think he's popular. I think he's popular with the ladies.

880
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: Well, he's probably gonna be the Jets quarterback in three weeks,

881
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: so maybe he'll get a haircut, maybe he won't. We'll

882
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: see the you know, speaking of storylines that need to

883
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: go away, I don't need to be talking about cam

884
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: Akers and the rams too much. Longer acres. You know,

885
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: he disobeyed the culture or something for Los Angeles and

886
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: was taken out of the lineup last week, and this

887
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: coming after the drama last season, and there was a

888
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: culture disobeyment then as well, and the culture needs to

889
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: be adhered to and blah blah blah. So NFL Networks

890
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: Ian Rapaport reports that the Rams have had trade talks

891
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: centered around running back cam Acres, which we heard last

892
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: year as well. No trade last year. And guess what,

893
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't imagine any team is gonna want a malcontent

894
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: on their team anyway, so he'll probably just get released

895
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: in a couple of days.

896
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: Well, they did a bad job by who ever you know,

897
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: leaked all this cultural reporting. Why let that get out

898
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: there about this so called malcontent before you try to

899
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: shop him for what like a tube of chapstick. I'm

900
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: not sure we were gonna return. He had twenty nine

901
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: yards on twenty two carries in Week one? What is

902
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: the asking price?

903
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: Well, maybe the Giants would they give up a seventh

904
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: round pick that could upgrade to a sixth round pick

905
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: if he had two hundred carries, or even just swap

906
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: seventh round picks so that the Rams don't have to

907
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: have the embarrassment of cutting this guy. But you're right,

908
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 3: Mark because that sideline report. I hope all the teams

909
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: know about that sideline report of like whatever the culture

910
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: thing was, I think it was that he didn't you

911
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: have to pledge allegiance to the Rams when you walk in.

912
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: It's this whole thing about Les Snead and McVeigh and

913
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 3: and he didn't do that when he walked into the building.

914
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 3: Mcveig McVeigh tried to say afterwards, Oh, no, it was nothing.

915
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: We just thought it was best for the team. He's

916
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: been great. It's like no one, no one's believing you.

917
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: You have this little bent the culture. If you this

918
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: up bad I do not follow our culture, you will

919
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: be eliminated. Something like that.

920
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 3: Kyrone Williams Fantasy owners, let's go two big games.

921
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm gonna give up like a Day

922
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: three draft pick for a running back in today's NFL,

923
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get Jonathan Taylor for a fifth I mean,

924
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: that's just me. In other news, here's some injury quick

925
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: injury stuff before we say.

926
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 3: Goodbye Brown's Jonathan Taylor. That would be kind of spacey.

927
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson and Jalen Waddle Colts quarterback Dolphins wide receiver

928
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: both in concussion protocol. They have to clear that to play.

929
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: In week three, we shall see a lines running back

930
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: David Montgomery. He's out a few weeks. What did he

931
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: get hurt? What was his malady?

932
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: It was a quad injury and he told reporters in

933
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: the locker room, Yeah, it's gonna take a couple of weeks.

934
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 3: And then Dan Campbell went on the podium like twenty

935
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: minutes later and was said he's day to day. So

936
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: that's that's one team that like they haven't gotten the

937
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: injury messaging across to their players because David Montgomery was

938
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: just being honest, but David Dan Campbell was not right.

939
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: He just he walked up to the assembled media. So

940
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: I got an odd quad. James Houston, their pass rusher,

941
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: out six long weeks, and Halo Vytai may go to

942
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: two injured reserve.

943
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: So they only have their defense, which you know looked

944
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: improved against the Chiefs. A lot of questions coming out

945
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: of the Seahawks game. One sack on the year, You've

946
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: you've lost Houston, Charles Harris decent player, You've got the

947
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: Aquaro brother Julian and Romeo are brothers as pass rushers

948
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: on this team. That's an unusual scenario. That was news

949
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: to me. But you're kind of thin there, like, and

950
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: I thought they didn't really they had a chance where

951
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: they're playing the Seahawks on Sunday with two backup tackles

952
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 2: and didn't impact the game much. So I don't love

953
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: that for Detroit. Like I I'm a little concerned about

954
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: the depth at edge.

955
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: All right. Also, the Cardinals were without Buddha Baker, their

956
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: best defensive player on Sunday against the Giants, and get

957
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: used to it because he's headed to injured reserve with

958
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: a hamstring injury. He'll be eligible to return Week seven

959
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks. And finally an injury news Eagles cornerback

960
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: of Ante Maddox he'll undergo surgery for a torn peck.

961
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: That's never a good thing. Many times it will cost

962
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: you the season. Also, this is a bad one. Chauncey

963
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson, the man who started the blue mask Troit

964
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: trend in Detroit, he is out in definitely with a

965
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: potentially torn pictorial is the report. NFL Network Insarder's Rappaport

966
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: and Garafolla reported Monday night. Monday night he could miss

967
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: the rest of the season as well Ouchers. He's an

968
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: important part of what they do and a leader in

969
00:48:54,080 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: that locker room. And finally, I don't know how plugged

970
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: in people are on this, but in our town where

971
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: we live, it is a Mondo deal. There are a

972
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: couple of different strikes going on right now that have

973
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: completely shut down the entertainment industry and because of that,

974
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: networks and streamers and everyone else are scrambling for content

975
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: and things to put on the air this fall. Well, ABC,

976
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: they shrugged their shoulders and they're just gonna put the

977
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: entire Monday night football slate on their I guess, you

978
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: know Channel seven where I grew up there, so their

979
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: network channel. I feel like the ESPN's like, hey wait

980
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: a second, that sucks. But I guess maybe they get

981
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: the ratings.

982
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: I don't know, right I was thinking like if they're

983
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: gonna do this and it's the same company, it's like

984
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: the same you know, four companies that own the entire world, Like,

985
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: why not just do this the whole time? You could

986
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: have just had Monday night football. I'm sure it's doing

987
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: better than you know, the repeats of Elias. I can't

988
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: think of an ABC show. Was that a show.

989
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: I haven't watched an ABC show since the Wonder Years,

990
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: so let me see ABC hit shows.

991
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: Dan, I grew up with Anatomy too, Gray's Anatomy, Like

992
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: I grew up a Channel seven too. I just wondered,

993
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: like I was just thinking this, like reading all this,

994
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: it's like, uh, how many What is the subset of

995
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: people that if you are attached to cable, which everyone

996
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: has been for forty years at this point, that you

997
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: don't have ESPN but you do have ABC. I feel

998
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: like there's more people that have ESPN and don't care

999
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: about ABC or have ABC. It feels like a weird uh.

1000
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: I don't know who you're what subs.

1001
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: Let's bring the satellite back. Let's bring they are kind

1002
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: of coming back. I don't know if you know this.

1003
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 3: We're bringing it back, Dan, satellite. This is people. People

1004
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 3: are buying the old Bunny ears and you don't have

1005
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: to pay anything. You just buy the years. You put

1006
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: them up and you can watch some Jake Browning versus

1007
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 3: The Rams next Monday night. Cool.

1008
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: Here's some ABC shows. I mentioned an Anatomy, Blackish, I

1009
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: think that's still a show that was that was a hit.

1010
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: Abbot Elementary, that's got good pop. I watched one app

1011
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: it was.

1012
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: Fine Colleen, Colleen Loves and Keisha Love Abbot Elementary. That

1013
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: that that trip to Tybee, it was like all Abbot

1014
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: Elementary and I fell for it too. I'm a fan.

1015
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 3: I didn't follow it up after that weekend, but I

1016
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: was a fan.

1017
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: I I believe it's set in like Philadelphia, so that

1018
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: that I'm sure factors and as well. Apparently America's Funniest

1019
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: Home Videos Mark is still in the air. There's a show,

1020
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: those videos are still funny. Oh the Bachelor, that's a

1021
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: big one.

1022
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: That's their big Yeah, that makes sense, that's a big

1023
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 3: I think Elias is set to come back. Jennifer Garner

1024
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: two point zero. Let's do it.

1025
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: And I guess wonder years is back on again is

1026
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: that they've rebooted it.

1027
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: They did reboot it.

1028
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: No, you don't say new situation.

1029
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: Great, that's great. That's what we do now. We don't

1030
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: have new ideas anymore. We just reboot good idea is

1031
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: from thirty years ago and try to pass them off.

1032
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: And where society is at big funk in our chat here,

1033
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: lets us know there's a trend of gen z on

1034
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: TikTok using paper clips or staples even as antennas on

1035
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: their TV and they can make it happen. That sounds

1036
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 3: like a fun thing.

1037
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: Aren't you plucky underdogs? And also Funk says it actually

1038
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: just got canceled.

1039
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 3: Wonder years I believe is gone. I mean everything's getting canceled.

1040
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: I'm glad we're not canceled.

1041
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: Well just wait, everybody's number gets called eventually. All right, uh,

1042
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: weird night. I hope you're okay, Nick Chubb, I know

1043
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: you're not okay right now. Let's get him back on

1044
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: the field week one next year, Adrian Peterson style Peterson's style,

1045
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: and and that would be nice. And we'll be back

1046
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: on Wednesday with the Great Colleen Wolf. And check out

1047
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: our NFL Plus game of the week which was Falcons Packers.

1048
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: And it's all coming up again around the bend.

1049
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: Be the call. H