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Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday everyone, This is Cowboys Crosstalk. We are live

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Speaker 3: from One through the Fan Tonight. I'm joined by the

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Speaker 2: I am here as always.

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Speaker 3: We've got the three time Super Bowl champion, six time

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Speaker 3: Pro bowler, Nate Newton this evening and our special guest

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Speaker 3: tonight is one of the greatest undrafted free agents in

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Speaker 3: NFL history, one of the greatest receivers in NFL history,

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Speaker 3: a Pro Football Hall of Fame member, and uh honestly,

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Speaker 3: probably one of the greatest ambassadors that the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: organization could ask for. It is Drew Pearson. Drew, thank

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Speaker 3: you for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 2: Can we do that again? I left?

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Speaker 3: There was a lot that we didn't get to with

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl champion, obviously, three time First Team All Pro

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Speaker 3: Cowboys of Honor, lot lots of accolades ago the one

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Speaker 3: that I led with there though, the one of the

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Speaker 3: greatest undrafted free agents in NFL history, and one of

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Speaker 3: my favorite stories of all time about Drew Pearson is

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Speaker 3: the fact that Drew Pearson was almost a Pittsburgh Steeler

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Speaker 3: coming out of Tulsa in nineteen seventy three. And it

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Speaker 3: was one man, Bob Griffin, who came down and made

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Speaker 3: a difference on the campus of Tulsa. But for all

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Speaker 3: the feeling for Cowboys fans in the seventies, like man,

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Speaker 3: the Steelers always got us, They always got one over

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Speaker 3: on us. This was a big one that we got

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Speaker 3: over on them. Tell that story of you're going through

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Speaker 3: the draft, you're not hearing your name called, and how

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Speaker 3: you ended up in Dallas over Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: Well, before we get into that, I'm the guy that's

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Speaker 4: responsible for Lynn Swan forty five yards because I could

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Speaker 4: have signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers, as you said, Bobby,

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Speaker 4: as an undrafted free agent. As an undrafted free agent,

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Speaker 4: who was Pittsburgh, Dallas or Green Bay? And that made

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Speaker 4: me feel better because there's three story franchises. Green Bay

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Speaker 4: and it was Bob Griffin. And the difference was he

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Speaker 4: was in town. He was at the Camelot Hotel on

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Speaker 4: the Harlem glow trotting. For a wedding gift, he gave

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Speaker 4: us a nineteen fifty four to Ford and the stick

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Speaker 2: So I bucked my way all the way down there.

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Speaker 4: But I had an opportunity to sign with the Steelers

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Speaker 4: and I didn't sign, so Lynn Swann could have a

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Speaker 4: he gives me a high five for that. Green Bay

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Speaker 4: was definitely too cold for this brother, right, Nate, we

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Speaker 2: But that was offered. It wasn't the.

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Speaker 4: Money, okay. The offer was when I got finally got

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Speaker 4: I go way past my college apartment, tell the ex wife, Hey,

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Speaker 2: And that's what I played on my rookie year.

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Speaker 4: After I made the team, I played on that contract

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Speaker 5: So Drew tell him what you did with your signing bonus?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, before I you know, waiting for the

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Speaker 4: He said, most people want to check you know, take

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Speaker 4: After driving that stick ship, I burnt up all the

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Speaker 4: he must have been prepared to pay me off because

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Speaker 2: He took out seven twenties in a ten.

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Speaker 4: And then when I got back to the college apart,

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Speaker 3: You had to get more boons farm. Yeah, it all

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't have been in this position. I shouldn't have

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Speaker 4: No, No, I never had that kind of vindictive attitude,

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Speaker 4: because you know why, because once we got the training

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Speaker 4: So once we got the training camp, it was the same.

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Speaker 4: You know, I thought I should have been a number

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Speaker 4: And the other time the cows the scouts came. I

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Speaker 4: wore sweatpants to run my forty and everything Nate. This

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Speaker 2: It was all over. It was all over. Big mistake.

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Speaker 6: See, the reason they was on equal footing was how

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Speaker 6: many weeks did y'all spind in camp back in the oh?

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, six weeks, six weeks, two weeks of two days.

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Speaker 2: The first week was brutal rookies.

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Speaker 4: They're all rookies, yes, and that is the key, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Landry was trying to make see who could handle that.

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Speaker 4: You can make it through that, maybe you got a

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Speaker 2: That's right. But no camp was serious. It wasn't like

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Speaker 4: I can't make it through a training cap today, me

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Speaker 4: and you both, Nate Man, I'd.

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Speaker 2: Get at them.

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Speaker 4: They wear these paddings on their helmets and stuff. Well,

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Speaker 4: put some shoulder pads on and pop some people. That's

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Speaker 2: Nate.

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Speaker 3: When you were I mean, you were another guy who

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Speaker 3: What what what kind of thought process did you enter

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Speaker 6: Got to the Cowboys after two years of the US

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Speaker 6: They gave me a little signing bonus was much more

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Speaker 2: I got fifteen grand. You only got Man he got

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Speaker 6: But you didn't you didn't deal with Gil Brand. But

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Speaker 6: I was just so you're talking about the guy grew

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Speaker 4: So why did you go to the USFL first because

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Speaker 6: No, I went to the Redskin excuse me, to Washington

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Speaker 2: Whoever went to the Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's still singing. Anyway,

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Speaker 6: There and I got cut and then and then my

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Speaker 6: the USFL because the bandits really like you.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't know that.

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Speaker 6: Coach Gibbs and his people called the coach and said, hey,

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Speaker 6: this this dude can play just a little immature. So

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Speaker 6: all the fun the bandits can allow it tample Florida nice.

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Speaker 2: Then they folded, I'm now president. We all got three

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Speaker 6: We tried the split between twelve hundred players, but it's

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Speaker 2: Wow, now the Cowboys called.

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Speaker 6: Then, and then the Cowboys called because before when I

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Speaker 6: came out of college, same like you, but this guy

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Speaker 6: found my house.

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Speaker 6: I can't think of I don't want to say it

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Speaker 7: He knocked on the night of the draft after it

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Speaker 7: door man and my dad almost had a fit. He

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Speaker 7: was a white guy. Yeah, so what have you done?

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Speaker 7: What he's not here? Yeah, he's like, I'm with the

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Speaker 7: Cowboys and Drew, Yeah, Drew, what.

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Speaker 3: Do you think you know, because you felt like you

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. You got it, Bobby, thanks for

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Speaker 3: So we were talking about the process before we went

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, because I remember the first day Nate Newton

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Speaker 5: I think i'd seen, right, Tom didn't have big offensive lineman. Right,

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Speaker 5: He said, the first time the veterans came up, he

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Speaker 2: A one in one drill if you remember that? Oh wow,

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Speaker 4: And that's what we you know, we we were competitive

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: For both of you, guys, the further you went along

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Speaker 3: You go, all right, let me show you what you're

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Speaker 6: came built like that, bro. So yeah, it wasn't much.

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Speaker 6: Coach Myers he he didn't teach a lot of technique.

440
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Speaker 2: Joe Myers.

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Speaker 6: He didn't teach Simon Simon Simon's and Simon's as Simons.

442
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that mainly Mike Dicket. What what made the difference

443
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Speaker 4: for me when I got to the Cowboys as an

444
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Speaker 4: undrafted free agent only two years at wide receiver, Yeah,

445
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Speaker 4: and not really knowing how to run past routes, especially

446
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Speaker 4: on a pro level, was the fact that Otto was

447
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 4: traded from Miami Dolphins to the Cowboys and I got

448
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 4: in his back pocket. Now I didn't. Otto didn't say,

449
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 4: come here, Drew, do this and do it now. I said,

450
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna do what Otto's doing because he played three

451
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Speaker 4: years behind Paul Warfield, and he came in here running

452
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Speaker 4: his routes just like Paul Warfield. And so Mike Dickett

453
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Speaker 4: ain't teaching me nothing. So the guy I had to

454
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Speaker 4: learn from was Otto Stowe. And he was there because

455
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Speaker 4: they traded Ron Sellers to the Miami Dolphins for Otto

456
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Speaker 4: stew and.

457
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Speaker 2: That's why eighty eight was available.

458
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Speaker 4: Sellers had eighty eight that year before the previous year,

459
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Speaker 4: and that's why it was available once I made the team.

460
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Speaker 4: But Otto Stowe ran the sweetest pass routes.

461
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Speaker 2: I mean, he was.

462
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Speaker 4: Rolling, and he was having this phenomenal season, you know,

463
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Speaker 4: the first five games, thirty catches and stuff like, which

464
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Speaker 4: was big back then, you know. And then he's playing

465
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Speaker 4: the darn Eagles up in philadel and he's balking for

466
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: Calvin Hill and on that darn turf that they mis

467
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: career ended my consecutive game streak, you know, and ended

468
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Speaker 4: Otto Stowe's career on that same veteran stadium turf where

469
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Speaker 4: Calvin Hill landed on his ankle and drove it into

470
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Speaker 4: the turf and he never recovered from that achilles injury.

471
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Speaker 4: And then when I went to training camp the next year,

472
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Speaker 4: because he wasn't there, I would it was my job

473
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Speaker 4: to to win. But I learned how to run pass

474
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Speaker 4: routes from Otto Stowe. And I mentioned that in my

475
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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame speech, you know, I said Otto, thank you,

476
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 4: and uh, he didn't even know it because I was

477
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Speaker 4: just trying to get.

478
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Speaker 2: His job at the same time learn how to play.

479
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Speaker 2: But uh.

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Speaker 5: And he was one of those kind of unknown cowboys

481
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Speaker 5: because I would see him show up.

482
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Speaker 2: At the different reunions.

483
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Speaker 5: And stuff, and he was always there and I'm going

484
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Speaker 5: Otto Stowe, I'm not familiar, right.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, on his way to having a remarkable career.

486
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Speaker 4: This guy was, you know, three years he wasted behind

487
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Speaker 4: Paul Warfield. But you know, I only say wasted because

488
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: he didn't start in all line. Yeah, but he if

489
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 4: he didn't have that injury, I would have been you

490
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 4: would have been saying, whatever happened to Drew Pierce, because

491
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: there's no way I would have. But he got hurt

492
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 4: and that opened the door for me and I shut it.

493
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Speaker 4: It's all over hood hood like that Hall of fame.

494
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Speaker 4: I waited thirty eight years. Now I'm shutting that door.

495
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Speaker 4: I'm in now.

496
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Speaker 2: Hell.

497
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Speaker 3: We got we got a question here from Michael from Roulett.

498
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: He said him the question on the one five through

499
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Speaker 3: the fan fan text eight seven seven eighty one five three.

500
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: He's curious about you know, you talk about the amount

501
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: of money that you had and all the incentives that

502
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: you had as a young player, and he talked about

503
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 3: that path being what it is and how it made

504
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: you to play today. And he's basically curious if the

505
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: amount of money you guys made back then in the

506
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 3: struggle you had, if those players today don't have that

507
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: Saale sort of struggle, like has it made for lesser

508
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: players potentially because they don't have there there's maybe a

509
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: sense of entitlement and these soft practices like you you

510
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: hear about. I remember Michael irv and another member of

511
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 3: the eighty eight club once said he felt like the

512
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: best thing he could pass on to his kids or

513
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 3: other players that just he said, pass on your struggle.

514
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: He's like, make sure they feel the struggle too. They

515
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: got to feel some of that, don't don't just bring

516
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: them up entitled? And so do you feel like enough

517
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Speaker 3: of the struggle I guess has been passed on to

518
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Speaker 3: the current day players.

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Speaker 4: Is Michael's question, No, I think there's a I think

520
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: there is a sense of entitlement that you run the Cowboys. Uh,

521
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: you know, we had to go across the street to

522
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: get our lunch, you know, Tom Thumb and all this

523
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: kind of stuff.

524
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Speaker 2: They weren't feeding you.

525
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Speaker 4: And you know, now they got started with my class,

526
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: and you know it's not whatever whatever you want, you know. Uh,

527
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: So you know, into the facilities and things and everywhere

528
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: they go there the Cowboys, and they really haven't done anything.

529
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: Tutah made.

530
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: A good comment when he was interviewed recently when he

531
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: said that they really don't have anybody in that within

532
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 4: the team that's been there that can tell the guys

533
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 4: what they really need to be doing. You know, how

534
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: many these guys even want a playoff game, you know,

535
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: and so you need that presence. When Charles Haley came

536
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: to the Cowboys and stuff, that was the presence that

537
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: locker room needed because he was policing that locker room

538
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: because he knew what it takes to get to the

539
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl. We policed ourselves in the locker room because

540
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: we had experienced guy when I got there the year before,

541
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: the Cowboys had been to the Super Bowl.

542
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: So these guys knew what it took. So they're coaching

543
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: me up that way.

544
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Speaker 4: But we don't have anybody there with that kind of

545
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: experience on the football team. Now, maybe the coaching staff,

546
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: the head coach, you know, he's been through all that,

547
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 4: but none of these players have really been through all that.

548
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: And they've been stuck on the first round. They can't

549
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: get past the first round. Why because no one on

550
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 4: that team has gotten past that I know of, Nicky.

551
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: Can you think of anybody, Nope, that has gotten past

552
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: the first round as far as playoffs are concerned. And

553
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Speaker 4: when the playoffs start, and they will tell you when

554
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: the playoffs, it's a different season.

555
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Speaker 2: You got a different look. You know that stuff you've

556
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: been doing.

557
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Speaker 4: No, you got everything to practices, the meetings at the

558
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Speaker 4: all intensity level.

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Speaker 2: It's a sudden death, okay, you know, and you don't

560
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: want to go down. Man. Once I played in seven

561
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Speaker 2: championship games.

562
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Speaker 6: Once you feel that, man, once, once you know the

563
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Speaker 6: strain of that.

564
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Speaker 2: You know.

565
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Speaker 6: I was talking to one of the shows I was

566
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Speaker 6: doing today, and the way this season is going. And

567
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Speaker 6: I tell guys that, I'm like, now is the time.

568
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Speaker 2: You can't sleep? How can you?

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Speaker 6: We was going through that thing one in fifteen through

570
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 6: in thirteen and you just couldn't sleep.

571
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: How you know?

572
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Speaker 6: Because the competitiveness, Uh you the guy behind you just

573
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 6: as good and I know what we're talking about.

574
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: But the guy mango is that Jonathan Ingo yep, who

575
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: they just traded for this week, he's.

576
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Speaker 6: Got the play yeah, And people saying this is a

577
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 6: future move.

578
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he has to play now. You get

579
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: this one week to ramp up and you play.

580
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Speaker 6: The competition started a week ago when they thought about

581
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 6: trading for you.

582
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Speaker 2: You have to play now.

583
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Speaker 6: But I hear people say, well, that's the future milk.

584
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 6: If that's a future milk move, then you're already telling

585
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 6: me you already got your receiver for next year.

586
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 2: You're not gonna draft a goud No, it starts now.

587
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: The competition.

588
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 6: The strain, the strain shouldn't be just on a arthy

589
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 6: in Dak's face. The strains should be on every player

590
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 6: when they walk through that facility.

591
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: The strains should be on them. Guarantee contract are not.

592
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: The strain should be on you.

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Speaker 4: It's only man the pressure. Yes, and Hopkins up there

594
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: in Kansas City. Do you have a week of practice. Yeah,

595
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 4: we had a pretty good game. The other couple of touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Hey, look, maybe maybe you'll get that out against Philly

597
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: this week or the week after against Houston.

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Speaker 2: Who knows.

599
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Speaker 3: Let's take our second break, and we got Drew Pearson

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Speaker 3: joining us here tonight on the SLBBC Cowboys Cross Talk,

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Speaker 3: and let's kind of take a let's transition a little

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Speaker 3: bit ahead based on what we're just talking about there

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Speaker 3: where the Cowboys stand now kind of across roads without

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Speaker 3: their big time later, Dak Prescott is going to be

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Speaker 3: out for several weeks now, so kind of where the

606
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Speaker 3: Cowboys go from here and how they can turn things around.

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Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame member Drew Pearson joining us tonight.

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Speaker 3: And guys, we were talking about right before we left.

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Speaker 3: You know, you guys are talking about understanding the difference

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Speaker 3: in terms of the level when you get to that

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Speaker 3: championship level and that experience and how that matters, and

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Speaker 3: how the Cowboys maybe currently don't have enough of that

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Speaker 3: and that that could be, you know, a bigger contribution

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Speaker 3: that they could find.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, one of.

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Speaker 3: Their big leaders, Dak Prescott, has the hamstring injury. He

632
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Speaker 3: will be out for a consisterable amount of time, it

633
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: looks like right now. And I think for a lot

634
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: of fans when they hear about that, and Mickyl, I'll

635
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: just start with you here on this. I think when

636
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: people hear that, they think, you know, they maybe don't

637
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: understand the day to day process of it. It's not

638
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: like Dak is just standing on the sideline watching practice

639
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: while he's hurt, and then he's sitting inside cutting it

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00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: up in the locker room and things like that. When

641
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: you're in a position like Dak Prescott is, he's kind

642
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: of removed from the team during rehab things. It's not

643
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: that presence is missing for them during the practice week.

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Speaker 2: A lot of.

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Speaker 5: Times, well here here's the hope. And it depends on

646
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 5: how they look at how long this injury may take.

647
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 5: Because if you put a guy on injured reserve, all right,

648
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 5: they're not allowed to be out there at practice. They

649
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 5: can be out on the field rehabbing. But like today,

650
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 5: Dak was standing right behind the offensive huddle and he's

651
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: doing whatever he can to help Cooper Rush or Trey Lance.

652
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Speaker 5: But if you're on IR, you're not supposed to be

653
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 5: out there, You're supposedly not allowed to be in any meetings.

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Speaker 2: You're just on your own.

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Speaker 5: So they've got to judge Bobby, Uh, do we put

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00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 5: him on IR or do we just make him one

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Speaker 5: of our inactives, Because if you don't have a whole

658
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: bunch of an active then you can keep him on

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Speaker 5: the roster where they kept Michael Parsons right and and

660
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 5: he can interact with the players. But if if not

661
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 5: and you put him on IR, then there's no formal interaction.

662
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: So many games miss wow games wow. So avoid that.

663
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're hoping, But my understanding is it's it's

664
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Speaker 5: kind of a serious injury. It's not just oh I

665
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 5: told my hamstring. I put a little ice on it

666
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 5: and it cures. So we're gonna see it. We're gonna

667
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 5: see where this one goes.

668
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Speaker 2: Because it's a high. It's a high.

669
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Speaker 7: One h So what what what does the low hid?

670
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: You tell us you are the athlete like that. You

671
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: didn't pull any hamstrings? Come on, man, I pulled a

672
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: hamstring off a pork shop. I love it. Good comeback.

673
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: No, I didn't like Coach Landry said I had any

674
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 4: muscles in my.

675
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: No wonder you never get hurt. But uh no, it's

676
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: uh it doesn't matter.

677
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: I think it The worst is down low high near

678
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 4: the buttocks, you know, not pulling or you don't feel

679
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 4: it as much.

680
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: I remember on a Thursday practice.

681
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 4: I tweaked mine and uh, I didn't think I could

682
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: make that game.

683
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: Thank god. It was a night game, a Monday night game.

684
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: We had extra day.

685
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: We're playing the Buffalo Bills, and I didn't think I

686
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: could go. And I'm testing it out in in my

687
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: driveway the day of the game and all this the

688
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 4: neighbors are looking at He said, Wow, he's tripping out there.

689
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: Till seven o'clock. But uh, you know, I just.

690
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 4: The adrenaline now practice, I don't know. But then the

691
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 4: game time that they're drenaline. You know, you you think

692
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 4: you can get past that, but you got to watch

693
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: out that hamstring because if you really mess it up,

694
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: because you can tear it, the season could be over.

695
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 4: So it's a tough, tough deal if it's if there's

696
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: any kind of doubt there, so now rest it, you know,

697
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: ice it, elevate, you know the things we used to

698
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: do back in the day.

699
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about that idea though, Like Mick was

700
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: talking about the idea of if they put him on

701
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: I n he's removed from the team. Essentially, he can't

702
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: he can't be in there. Given look there there was

703
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: the news this week. They they've talked about it extensively.

704
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy's talking about extensively. Ezekiel Elliott missing last week's game,

705
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: it was a disciplinary issue. You've got a lot of

706
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: injuries that have stacked up guys who've been frustrated all season.

707
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: Given this point right now, how much do you say,

708
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: even if he's gonna miss four games, I don't want

709
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 3: to remove his presence from the locker room when things

710
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: feel so kind of touch and go. It feels like

711
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: with it with a lot of the morale.

712
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to remove him either. I mean,

713
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 4: that's crazy. You know what kind of rule is that?

714
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: NFL?

715
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 4: Why are you gonna punish your guy because he's hurt?

716
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 4: You know, you know why you take him away.

717
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: From the team?

718
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me,

719
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of rules that the NFL have

720
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 4: in place, And don't get me started on that.

721
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: That's a sixty minute interview.

722
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 6: The presence that will be missed is not him so

723
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 6: much being on the field, but what.

724
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: He can help Cooper Rush with in the meetings, that's right.

725
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 6: That's where, Yeah, that is where he will be most

726
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 6: important because once you know, once this week start and

727
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 6: they look up and it ain't gonna be backing that huddle,

728
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 6: it's gonna be Cooper Rush. And so Dak can be

729
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 6: sitting over clapping his hands and things going good or bad,

730
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 6: it's gonna.

731
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: Be from what happened off Cooper Rush.

732
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Speaker 6: So but where that can be a big help us

733
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 6: in that in that room a lot of times.

734
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Speaker 2: You know, when you're a starter, you you you.

735
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 6: That's why my man was out in his in his

736
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 6: driving lot making sure his leg was right, because it's

737
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 6: a guy to replace you. And and even though it's

738
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 6: not permanent with Cooper Rush, he is the quarterback now

739
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 6: and that's who everybody's gonna focus on.

740
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, they ain't gonna ain't worry about that. I

741
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: mean that, like I said, he silver, they ain't clap

742
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: his hands.

743
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 6: And it looks good for TV, and it looks good,

744
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 6: but it's about the Cooper Rush show.

745
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: Now.

746
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: I remember you guys were in a unique circumstance in

747
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: the nineties, Nate, where ninety ninety one, ninety three, ninety four,

748
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: four out of five years you had Troy go down

749
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: in a big moment or a big stretch where you

750
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 3: had to have a different back of course, reck coming

751
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: in and each time it was a different guy was

752
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: Babe in ninety Bertline in ninety one ninety three was

753
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: Bernie had to come in into the NFC Championship game,

754
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: Garrett in ninety four had to come and do the

755
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving game. And so I remember talking to James Washington

756
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: five six years ago and he was remembering that progression,

757
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: and James is like, every year it felt like we

758
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: learned something new from the last time that it had happened,

759
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: Like we learned okay, well we got to do this

760
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: different and now we got Burtline, right, Okay, from that time,

761
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: we got this guy, Now we're doing this. How much

762
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: does that for you did your experiences from ninety ninety one,

763
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: ninety three, ninety four, how much did it change for

764
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: you guys as a unit that was together for so

765
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: long that you felt like, how do we approach? Did

766
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: it get easier each time or did you feel like

767
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: you had a better way of handling it each time?

768
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Speaker 6: Just coach has made it comes down to your offensive coordinator,

769
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 6: and for us it was our offensive line coach Tony Wise.

770
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Speaker 6: He made a big difference because it was always some

771
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 6: guys through certain passes better and sometime calls for a

772
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 6: different protection, a different look you know, sometime we would

773
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 6: take things away. But basically for office roundman. Now for

774
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 6: a wide receivers, totally different because the ball may spend different.

775
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 6: The guy may be strong armed it a week armed it.

776
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 6: For for us, a three step drop is a three

777
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 6: step drop, a five step drop is a five step drop,

778
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 6: a seven step drop was a seven step drop. And

779
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 6: so we kind of stayed on our same path. But

780
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 6: if it drew them, it may be a little bit different.

781
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, the big concern is with the specialist the receivers

782
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: and the timing there with your the other quarterback. But

783
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 4: through the whole process, through training camp and everything else,

784
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 4: you have run some routes with his backup these backup quarterbacks,

785
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 4: you know, so you have he has some familiarity with

786
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 4: you and you with him. So uh, just a matter

787
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 4: of working the reps and putting a little extra tirement

788
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: before practice after practice, and that does get the quarterback

789
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: some confidence, you know, and pump them up.

790
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: You know.

791
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 4: It's like I when I first started my first starting

792
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: assignon as a rookie man, my teammates were lifting me up,

793
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 4: and you know, the one thing I wanted to do

794
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: is have a great practice to let him know I

795
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 4: was ready.

796
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: You know, let him know I was ready.

797
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be the one out there messing up

798
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 4: the cost of a football game.

799
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: But at the same time, they're pumping me up. You

800
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: heard this.

801
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 3: Before, right, Yeah, you talked about it, Rocket talked about

802
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: it a couple of weeks ago.

803
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're encouraging me. Man, come on, let's go through.

804
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: We need you this week.

805
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 5: Did you ever have to play an extended period of

806
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 5: time without Roger? Actually, do you ever remember him being

807
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 5: missing three four games?

808
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: No, that's because I was blocking. I'm protecting it.

809
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm picking off linebackers.

810
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 8: Off.

811
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: That's a good question, Mick. I didn't ever have that stretch.

812
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 5: Get knocked out of a game, come in and replace

813
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 5: him for a player or two.

814
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 4: But well, the Thanksgiving game he knocked out completely. What

815
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: makes this team here different? Number One, they got a

816
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: bunch of young guys. This this team today that's going

817
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 4: to fit. They got a bunch of young guys, So

818
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 4: mistakes gonna happen. Dak is much stronger than Cooper.

819
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 6: So the little knocks that Dak has been taking, the

820
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 6: little extra pressures that he's been playing through, we don't

821
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 6: want to put that on Cooper Rush. It's called three

822
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 6: and five step drops, and he's got to be secure,

823
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 6: Like my man Drew said, he's got to get out

824
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 6: there Whitney's receivers before and after practice. Forget what the

825
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 6: players Association you're talking about. Get your team ready to play.

826
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 6: And so because the offensive line right now is just average.

827
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: So you gotta you gotta make sure you on target.

828
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 6: With CD if he plays with with with uh what's uh,

829
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 6: Tobrid if he plays you got to be on target.

830
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

831
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: Now let's uh, let's take our final break here. We'll

832
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: have a little bit of time on the back end.

833
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: There is a big game coming up this weekend against

834
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles, and uh, we're fortunate because we have

835
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 3: the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles, Drew Pearson here with

836
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: us to talk about it. So when we come back,

837
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 3: we'll take a look at the Eagles game coming up

838
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: and how the Cowboys can potentially make things a little

839
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: bit easier on Cooper Rush and pull off a victory

840
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: this Sunday. That's next on the SLBBC Cowboys Cross

841
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Speaker 8: Talk cow Cowboys, No, Cowboys, don't Cowboys