WEBVTT - BA Q&A: How To Set A Boundary

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's go for it. Jump on in there. It's

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<v Speaker 4>been so long and you guys have so many questions,

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<v Speaker 4>so yes, I think you need to start chipping away

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<v Speaker 4>at these.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have a question from nine in. She says, Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>Tiffany and Mandy. I'm a huge fan of your podcast

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<v Speaker 2>and have learned quite a lot from you both. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>considering getting a new airline credit card for the benefit

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<v Speaker 2>of the flight promotional credit and free check bag, which

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<v Speaker 2>would otherwise require a thirty dollars fee. This would completely

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<v Speaker 2>cover the airfare for an upcoming trip. I already have

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<v Speaker 2>a few cards, though, and I'm working on paying off

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<v Speaker 2>the balances. Would it be a wise idea to get

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<v Speaker 2>the new airline credit card for only the promotion. After

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<v Speaker 2>the credit, I wouldn't use it further unless I should

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<v Speaker 2>make a one time unless I should make a one

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<v Speaker 2>time small monthly payment on it to build credit or

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<v Speaker 2>completely cancel it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks nine In. I like that name, Ninan. That's pretty.

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<v Speaker 4>Ooh, this is good because I mean I actually was

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<v Speaker 4>just on a plane. Obviously we both were, but I

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<v Speaker 4>flew Jet Blue to Costa Rica and on the way back,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that fifty percent discount on the twelve dollars

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<v Speaker 4>miniature kale salad that I have would have been nice

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<v Speaker 4>with the Jet Blue card. And then they wait until

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<v Speaker 4>like the last ten minutes of the flight. Then they

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<v Speaker 4>come through. They do the big announcement over the speaker,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, I'm trying to finish my movie, but like, fine,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll listen to your credit card pitch. And they come

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<v Speaker 4>down the aisle with the brochures like sixty five thousand miles,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, one time offer on this flight, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's super tempting. But I think what concerns me

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<v Speaker 4>or just like raises my my my alert man dealer

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<v Speaker 4>from her question is the fact that she already has

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<v Speaker 4>cards she's trying to pay the balances off on and

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<v Speaker 4>that she says, I'll stop using it. But I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of feel like that may not be the case. It's

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<v Speaker 4>really easy to say that now, but you keep that

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<v Speaker 4>card and then mid other trip's going to pop up

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like, well, I just put it on this

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<v Speaker 4>card to get the points, and then before you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you have another card with a balance that you're carrying,

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<v Speaker 4>and unless it's a zero percent intro APR, then you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna end up paying interest on it, and it's just

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be like you have to think about the money

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<v Speaker 4>you be spending on interest at that point. Plus, those

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<v Speaker 4>cards with the best benefits sometimes have like high annual fees.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. I think our Chase Good Time Card that

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<v Speaker 4>we both have the Chase reserve, they want say annual

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<v Speaker 4>feenw like five hundred, four hundred or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>It ain't cheap, you know. So that's something too. That's

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<v Speaker 4>just something that jumped out at me.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you say, Tiff, I say, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>big fan of cards for specific companies like card just

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<v Speaker 2>for Express car, just forget, you know, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the benefits are limited typically to just that one organization.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you, Mandy, you were telling me how I

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<v Speaker 2>was renovating and you were.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, are you going to get a Home Depot card?

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<v Speaker 2>And I considered it because I was buying a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff from home Depot, but I ended up using

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<v Speaker 2>my Chase Good Time Card. Like it's really called the

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<v Speaker 2>Chase Venture, but me and Maddy just be teasing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>It's called the Chase Reserve.

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<v Speaker 2>Call this. That's why Mandy calls it to Chase good Time,

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<v Speaker 2>because not she doesn't know it, because she knows I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I'm like, Ochase, run and get him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fly with Me card. So what I like about him

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<v Speaker 2>is that and I use that instead of the Home

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<v Speaker 2>Depot is that I wanted the benefits to last beyond

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<v Speaker 2>just shopping at Home Depot because I knew it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a few months of me like like using home

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<v Speaker 2>Depot to renovate. And so with those purchases, I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to get cash back, I was able to earn

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<v Speaker 2>points for a flight. I was able to like I

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<v Speaker 2>typically like, if I'm going to get a credit card,

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<v Speaker 2>which you sound like you don't need right now because

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<v Speaker 2>you have cards you're paying off. But let's just say

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<v Speaker 2>that you didn't have credit cards that you were paying off,

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<v Speaker 2>or you have cards and they're already paid off and

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<v Speaker 2>you were looking for a new card.

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<v Speaker 1>To help with your travel.

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<v Speaker 2>I would look for an overall general card where the

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<v Speaker 2>benefits are more wider reaching, not for one specific airline,

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<v Speaker 2>but like a card that you can get cash back,

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<v Speaker 2>you can earn point you can earn points to like hotels.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's what I that's what I would suggest,

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<v Speaker 2>but I right now, honestly, I would slow down as

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<v Speaker 2>you're paying down, I would slow down on getting a

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<v Speaker 2>card just because you don't want to start to like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the best piece of advice when you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a ditch is to put the shovel down. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that credit card is a shovel and I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to keep digging nine in so hopefully.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Another thing to think about is like those cards

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<v Speaker 4>often require you to spend money to get that benefit.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like if you spend three thousand dollars in the

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<v Speaker 4>first ninety days, so like, can you afford that much?

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<v Speaker 4>Because that's more than a three hundred dollars flight credit

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<v Speaker 4>would be. So I would say, nah, pass so you

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<v Speaker 4>can you know, pay for the flight the one time.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, think about what Tiff said about getting

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<v Speaker 4>like a more general travel card, especially if you're not

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<v Speaker 4>traveling back and forth under control. Yeah, but thank you

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<v Speaker 4>so much for your question, miss nine and with the

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<v Speaker 4>pretty name, Let's take a quick breaking break and be

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<v Speaker 4>right back for a real, that's one. I'm like rolling

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<v Speaker 4>my shoulders back for it because I feel like Tiff

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<v Speaker 4>and I. We're gonna go cool and I'll give you

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<v Speaker 4>all a hint. The question is from my is the

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<v Speaker 4>question uh is written by my dear sister. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 4>we're getting into the family drama. Y'll be right back. Hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>All right, be a fan. We are back with a juicy,

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<v Speaker 4>juicy question that immediately I was like, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 4>I know we have loss to say on this matter.

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<v Speaker 4>And both of us have sisters and families, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it get it can get a little challenging when there's

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<v Speaker 4>income disparities within the family, So let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 4>This comes from someone who would like to be called

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<v Speaker 4>my dear so her and she says, I have a

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<v Speaker 4>sister who I adore. She and her husband have two

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<v Speaker 4>young children. They recently made a big transition and moved

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<v Speaker 4>halfway across the country to be closer to us her family.

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<v Speaker 4>She has always struggled with her finances, holding on to

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<v Speaker 4>what she has since she is a major spender but

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<v Speaker 4>not a budgeter. They could be considered wealthy, but they

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<v Speaker 4>live extremely paycheck to paycheck due to some lavish choices

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<v Speaker 4>they continue to make over and over. Something major happens

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<v Speaker 4>and they can't pay their bills or afford the expense.

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<v Speaker 4>So she comes to my mom and dad, who are

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<v Speaker 4>retired to ask for help. But recently she's become asking.

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<v Speaker 4>She's begun asking me for help. I'm ten years younger

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<v Speaker 4>than her, live alone, and have a high paying job,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm putting in the work to end the cycle

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<v Speaker 4>of debt from my family. In my own life, I

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<v Speaker 4>have a financial advisor who I work closely with to

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<v Speaker 4>budget and set myself up for the future. I have

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<v Speaker 4>tried to talk to my sister about getting help and

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<v Speaker 4>working with someone, but she's not open to it at all.

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<v Speaker 4>She feels like she just needs to earn more. What

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<v Speaker 4>should I do. I want to help her because she's family,

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<v Speaker 4>but I also don't want to enable her because she

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<v Speaker 4>refuses to get help. I just don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Dear system before let it go?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, let it go. Which is like because when

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<v Speaker 4>I was thinking about trying to educate people who are

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<v Speaker 4>not ready to be educated, it's like a losing battle.

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<v Speaker 4>At that point. You know, it's one thing if they

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<v Speaker 4>come to you and ask, But when you and I

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<v Speaker 4>have been that person, when you think that you know

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<v Speaker 4>better and you want to coach them, and you can

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<v Speaker 4>see how clear it is if they just listen to me,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's family. There's just something ingrained in our DNA

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<v Speaker 4>to just not absorb anything that our siblings say to us,

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<v Speaker 4>like you know, and it may I don't think that

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<v Speaker 4>you need to be the hero in that situation, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to cause you more stress to try to

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<v Speaker 4>fix it, you know. And I found myself in that position,

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<v Speaker 4>especially what we do to if, like we talked about

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<v Speaker 4>that before, y'all listen to us, y'all think we're real smart.

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<v Speaker 4>You send us your questions. I don't get any from

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<v Speaker 4>my family, even my husband, you know, And I just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like, oh, they'll find out on their own

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<v Speaker 4>and their own way. But it's different right when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to your pockets, and they don't want your advice,

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<v Speaker 4>they want money. So what do you say to that, Tiff?

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<v Speaker 4>I think both of us have had situations where you

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<v Speaker 4>have been and I was even with my family.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, baby Lisa, where I have to set a boundary,

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<v Speaker 2>and I literally set one recently, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe, like you know, less than six months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>She called and I said, if this is to ask

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<v Speaker 2>for money, just I want this to be so important

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<v Speaker 2>to you because this is last and final, like for life.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was thought about it, and she was like, so,

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<v Speaker 1>how's your day?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, exactly because she wanted that one get I said,

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<v Speaker 2>so I want you to ask yourself, is this my

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<v Speaker 2>get out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Jail jail jail free car? Like you know she was.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't even confident. I said, Oh, I'm just letting

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<v Speaker 2>you know that, like you know, because so here's my rule.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is literally what I tell all my sisters

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<v Speaker 2>and my friends who I'm close enough that I would

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<v Speaker 2>lend money to, even though I'm not a money lender.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically I'll just give you like if you're really needing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, so my rule is, and this is what I

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<v Speaker 2>told my baby sister, Lisa is I told her. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the rule is you're not allowed to be homeless.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not allowed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Hungry, meaning don't ever get to such a dire state

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<v Speaker 2>that it would put you in physical peril, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, if that's the case, obviously come to me,

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<v Speaker 2>because at the very least you could always eat here

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<v Speaker 2>and you can stay with me, you know, So don't

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<v Speaker 2>think like, oh, I got to be on my own

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<v Speaker 2>and struggle struggle through it all, you know, within reason, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to look at yourself as your first

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<v Speaker 2>line of defense. But don't go hungry you're homeless, that's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're not doing that here. But I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be your first, second, and third line of defense, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's okay for people to have bad credit

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<v Speaker 2>for a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll live. It's okay for bills to be late, They'll live.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's the only way you're gonna learn, Like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to get sometimes back pushed up against the wall

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<v Speaker 2>to then lean into yourself and be resourceful.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know your sister's older.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister's the youngest set of five, and if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being honest, we coddled.

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<v Speaker 1>Her, we babied her.

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<v Speaker 2>I am nine years older than her, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's such a huge difference. So she's like, oh, the baby, mean,

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<v Speaker 2>while Lisa's a whole, like thirty three. Yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't get here by herself. You know, there's these

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<v Speaker 2>bad habits that we have, you know, encouraged and cultivated.

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<v Speaker 2>But then finally I had to be like no, and

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<v Speaker 2>she is figuring it out, but I wanted her to

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<v Speaker 2>know that you have a safety net, Like I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to figure it out, but I do not want

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<v Speaker 2>you to be in peril, you know, And so the

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<v Speaker 2>key is really like it's not easy to set boundaries,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you set them, they learn to navigate with

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<v Speaker 2>you differently, you know, like they do people will learn

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<v Speaker 2>to navigate with you differently if you're like, hey, like

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<v Speaker 2>I had a friend asked me to borrow money for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time and she'd never asked me before, and

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<v Speaker 2>old Tiffany would have just like been like, oh gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm gonna let bart but I'm just scared

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<v Speaker 2>that this is a new precedent.

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<v Speaker 1>What do I do?

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<v Speaker 2>New Tiffany therapeued up. Tiffany was like, hey, girl, no

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<v Speaker 2>problem lending you this money. But although I know you've

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<v Speaker 2>never borrowed before, I don't want to set a precedent

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm the go to for you to borrow from.

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<v Speaker 2>And she said, well, I've never asked I no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've not asked me that. It's not about

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Something you're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to make it clear that it makes

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<v Speaker 2>me it would make me uncomfortable that I don't mind

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<v Speaker 2>doing this, you know, I expect that you're gonna pay

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<v Speaker 2>me back, like you said, but also too, I expect

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<v Speaker 2>that this is not going to become We've been friends

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<v Speaker 2>for a very very very long time, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want this to become the norm, like we've broken the seal.

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<v Speaker 2>I could tell that she was slightly offended, and I understood,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, why she would be, But I also know

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<v Speaker 2>that I needed to set the boundary because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where this is going. We've talked about it like

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<v Speaker 2>a couple times after and we both come to like

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<v Speaker 2>an easy like piece about it, like, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want that to be like, well, girl, Tiffany

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<v Speaker 2>got it, you know, like, and so I'm glad I

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<v Speaker 2>set the boundary, and I'm glad we talked about it

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<v Speaker 2>and we're still like super good friends, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>she understood where I was coming from, and I understood

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<v Speaker 2>where she was coming from because it wasn't like she

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<v Speaker 2>had had any habit of this with me, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the habit with other people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I said what I said, So, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>just think it's gonna be. It's gonna be, dear sister.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to just you're gonna have to set a

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<v Speaker 2>clear boundary live up to that boundary. You might have

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<v Speaker 2>to say it a couple of times. Your sister will

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<v Speaker 2>learn that you are not the one, the two, or

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<v Speaker 2>the three, and she'll move on to someplace else. It

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like maybe your parents have said no and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why she's coming to you. And then you can you

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<v Speaker 2>could also create that safety net and say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>don't be hungry, don't be homeless. You know, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>can always eat here or whatever. You guys can always

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<v Speaker 2>stay with me or whatever that is. You know, like

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<v Speaker 2>set that kind of like that lowest basis point, but

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<v Speaker 2>then let her figure it out or she will never

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out. Especially it's one thing if you had

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<v Speaker 2>a sister who was like, you know, like didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>good money, you know what I mean, like to hear that,

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<v Speaker 2>like you make plenty and you're just making bad choices.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's one thing if you were like in

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<v Speaker 2>abusive relationship. Your best friend was in an abusive relationship and

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<v Speaker 2>fled her husband. Now that's different and you're like, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I got you, bring the kids here, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to figure it out. But just I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>help you out because you're mismanaging your money. Now, set

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<v Speaker 2>that boundary, create the baseline of don't be hungry or homeless,

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<v Speaker 2>and let it go.

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<v Speaker 1>She's grown.

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<v Speaker 4>It might be a little awkward in the meantime, like Tiffy,

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<v Speaker 4>you went to that awkward thing with your friend, just

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<v Speaker 4>like you know in the beginning. But people are always

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<v Speaker 4>going to act some type of way when you say

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<v Speaker 4>no and you set that boundary. And I think the

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<v Speaker 4>part that we use boundaries like a throwaway word now,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's going to come at the cost of that moment,

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<v Speaker 4>that that space of discomfort for you and for the

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<v Speaker 4>person who's asking you for something and wants to breach

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<v Speaker 4>your boundary, and for them just for them to hear no.

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<v Speaker 4>Like my, you know, really good friend of mine recently

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<v Speaker 4>found a toxic friend, had a toxic friend who I

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<v Speaker 4>knew they were toxic because I can smell y'all and

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't even And I told her that's as

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<v Speaker 4>bad news, and I backed it up. I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>she's gonna learn. A year later, she's like, I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's time to cut this person out, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>m And as soon as she did, the tech start

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<v Speaker 4>coming in, the calls, the name calling. You know that

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<v Speaker 4>immediate reaction to you studying that boundary and as a

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<v Speaker 4>person who I've had to deal with my own family,

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<v Speaker 4>like a sibling of mine who I had to really

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<v Speaker 4>set a hard boundary, and for me, that boundary was

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<v Speaker 4>like no further communication, you know, until I can trust

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<v Speaker 4>you again. It's it's you. There's there's a cast there,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's painful, it makes holidays a little awkward. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think you have to put yourself first and remind

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<v Speaker 4>yourself what your goals are. And it's okay if someone

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<v Speaker 4>else is frustrated, put out, inconvenienced, you know, if they

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<v Speaker 4>have to struggle a little bit because of a choice

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<v Speaker 4>you made for your own self, welcome to just being

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<v Speaker 4>a human. You know, at certain points we have to

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<v Speaker 4>make those tough calls. And it's like Tiff said, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe it's if you say, if you if it's money,

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<v Speaker 4>that becomes a band aid. And it does sound like

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<v Speaker 4>maybe your parents have started saying no or they're not

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<v Speaker 4>able to give what she needs, so she's even gotten more.

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<v Speaker 4>Plus she has a spouse too. I'm like, is a

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<v Speaker 4>spouse and does he know or does she know? Or

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<v Speaker 4>they know about this? Like there's deeper things going on,

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<v Speaker 4>But how else might you be able to help? Like,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not advice because I don't think she wants that

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<v Speaker 4>from you. Maybe it's if you want me to babysit

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<v Speaker 4>for free while you get a second job or uber

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<v Speaker 4>so that you can, you know, or go on some

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<v Speaker 4>interviews like how can you support her in other ways

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<v Speaker 4>to show that you still love her? But it's really

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<v Speaker 4>dangerous to set that president of Okay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>say yes this time. And certainly if you actually need

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<v Speaker 4>them to pay you back, I really wouldn't lend that

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<v Speaker 4>money because I just feel like friends and family, there's

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<v Speaker 4>just you're not going to be at the top of

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<v Speaker 4>the list when it comes to paying the bills back,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. So with me, if I was ever giving

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<v Speaker 4>money to fit, I made an early rule and when

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<v Speaker 4>I was younger that if I was going to lend

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<v Speaker 4>anyone money, I wasn't going to be lending it. I

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<v Speaker 4>was going to give it, and I was going to

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<v Speaker 4>tell them so like this is a this is a gift.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want it back, you know, And if you're

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<v Speaker 4>not comfortable doing that, I would say, the ANSWER's got

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<v Speaker 4>to be no. And you can literally tell her exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what you told us. You know, I've worked really hard

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<v Speaker 4>to get where I am, and I want I don't

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<v Speaker 4>have a partner, I don't have a second source of income.

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<v Speaker 4>I need to be doubly sure that I can support

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<v Speaker 4>myself if something were to happen. And I know that

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<v Speaker 4>you love me and you'll probably understand this, So this

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<v Speaker 4>is why I have to say, I can't help you

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<v Speaker 4>in this way, but maybe there's other ways I can help.

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<v Speaker 4>And I stole that little mini script from my therapist

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<v Speaker 4>because she gave me that language when a family relative

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<v Speaker 4>came to me last year for like a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 4>and she was like, you can tell her I love you,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to help you, but I can't help you

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<v Speaker 4>in this specific way. You know, is there something else

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<v Speaker 4>that we can, you know, talk about And it's up

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<v Speaker 4>to them to decide what they want to do with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And don't expect Sometimes I think that we are like

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out how to do the hard work

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<v Speaker 2>and for it to feel good and easy, Like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not feeling good, so maybe we're doing something wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like no, actually, it's like I got my

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<v Speaker 2>eyebrows wax today, it's supposed to sting a little.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what that's how it goes.

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<v Speaker 4>They do it good.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I'm just saying that. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that I want to it's just in general, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if you talk about money and career changes and all

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<v Speaker 2>things we talk about here. I want to normalize that

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<v Speaker 2>there are moments of discomfort that ought to be uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's not because you did anything wrong. That's just

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<v Speaker 2>what it looks like, you know what I mean. And

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<v Speaker 2>so like when you realize, like, oh, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>have this conversation with my sister and it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be awkward, and it's going to feel uncomfortable and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad about it, that's part of it. And that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, don't think like you feeling bad means

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<v Speaker 2>something is wrong. No, you're feeling bad is that you're

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<v Speaker 2>a human being period, right, And so just like keep

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<v Speaker 2>that in that, Like, there is no easy way to

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<v Speaker 2>tell someone you super love.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't give you money.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just not you know, and so you're just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say it to the best of your ability. You might

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<v Speaker 2>have to tell her a couple of times and eventually

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<v Speaker 2>she'll get it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, amen to that. It's yeah, it's it's not supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to feel good, especially not waxing. I went and got

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<v Speaker 4>waxed for my vacation, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, why I never You know, I've got movies.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never gotten waxed down there.

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<v Speaker 4>You know you're not missing out. But I will say,

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<v Speaker 4>the results are everything I felt. Maybe that's why I

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<v Speaker 4>felt so hot in my being vacation.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm because the eyebrow is already like, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta get myself together, so I can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they get in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl, I feel like I'm liable to pass down.

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<v Speaker 4>I was afraid I was going to go into pre

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<v Speaker 4>term labor. I was like, should I have google this?

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe this is going to be triggering anew that.

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<v Speaker 2>Lady's gonna get a face full of fart because I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just be so like, oh my god, they've seen it all.

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<v Speaker 4>You just have to like imagine, you know, I got

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<v Speaker 4>a girl for your name, Sean, tell you come up

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, come up to Worchester, hook you up

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<v Speaker 4>European wax Center.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm scared, scared, scared, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like maybe once in my life I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do it, but I'm so terrified of like the pain child.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we gotta work our way up, work

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<v Speaker 2>our way up. Rember, just when we first started doing Brandabision,

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<v Speaker 2>I was still wearing pack pandies.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember, I mean, now we've elevated.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, thank you for reminding me where you came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Slowly, So we gotta work our way up, work our

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<v Speaker 1>way up.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, sorry, dear sister, we work from like girls

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<v Speaker 2>that your sister to us do a sister girl talk.

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<v Speaker 1>But let us know how it goes, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we hope for the best.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I genuinely want an update on this one. Please,

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<v Speaker 4>dear dear sister, please send us an update.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you said this update, just say it's me,

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<v Speaker 1>dear sister, so we know it's you.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope that we got to you in time. Yes, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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