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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. I'm Chuck Todd. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. Look, the last week has been obviously

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Speaker 1: overwhelming to the world of politics, as the fallout from

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Speaker 1: the assassination of Charlie Kirk continues to hover over a

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Speaker 1: lot of things in the political world. It has certainly

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Speaker 1: taken up a line's share of my time with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I am ignoring this issue in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: but I want to play catch up a little bit

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Speaker 1: on there. So now a lot of other things of

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Speaker 1: I think important long term consequences, both politically and for

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Speaker 1: get to, including on the economy. We had some big

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Speaker 1: news when it comes to interest rates. We had some

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Speaker 1: big news when it comes to the CDC and what's

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Speaker 1: going on with public health. As you know, this is

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Speaker 1: a topic I'm particularly particularly focused on. But there's some minutes. Look,

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Speaker 1: you don't lower interest rates because the economy is healthy.

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Speaker 1: You lower interest rates because you're worried the economy is

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Speaker 1: headed in the wrong direction. So I do. There's a

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Speaker 1: few things that I want to make sure you guys,

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Speaker 1: my devoted listeners and viewers and followers, and all of

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Speaker 1: those things I think need to be updated on, but

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Speaker 1: I do I do want to touch on one. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fallout obviously coming from the Kirk assassination,

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Speaker 1: and one of it has to do with whether whether

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Speaker 1: we're going to have public displays of the democracy right,

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Speaker 1: whether it's public protests or town halls with members of

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Speaker 1: the only way we we long term lose in all

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Speaker 1: of this is if we retreat from the public square

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Speaker 1: and we don't have small d democratic interactions. And so

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Speaker 1: I want to highlight a quote from earlier this week

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Speaker 1: from a senator, a Republican senator from West Virginia, shelleymore Capito,

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Speaker 1: who said that she was rethinking all of her public events.

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Speaker 1: She said, I probably can't go on parades, and she added,

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Speaker 1: I think anybody who is a public figure is going

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Speaker 1: but I will just say this is the wrong. It's

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Speaker 1: you know, when you make the choice to go into

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Speaker 1: public service, you can't retreat from the public And if

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Speaker 1: get out of public service. I totally understand. She's a

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Speaker 1: daughter of a former governor West Virginia, so she's she

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Speaker 1: understands politics better than you know, and what the interaction

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Speaker 1: and she grew up with it in a way then

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Speaker 1: even I didn't grow up with it as much as

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Speaker 1: I had a family interest in it. It's one thing

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Speaker 1: to be interested in it, it's another thing to have

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Speaker 1: been a part of it. She's probably been doing the

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Speaker 1: parades and you know when she was a little kid,

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Speaker 1: hanging out with her with her father, the former governor,

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Speaker 1: their arch more so. But it's I don't say this

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Speaker 1: to be critical of her. I totally understand it. But again,

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Speaker 1: if you're not willing to meet in public with the public,

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Speaker 1: or you're afraid of your constituents. Look, should we have

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Speaker 1: good security, yes, But if this is going to prevent

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Speaker 1: else come in, because that is how our democracy gets undermined.

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Speaker 1: If you're not willing to interact with voters if you're

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Speaker 1: not willing to do these town halls. Again, I don't

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Speaker 1: feel safe. There are times that I have not felt safe.

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Speaker 1: But in many ways, when you're in the arena and

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, in my own way in the arena

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Speaker 1: and been in the arenas for some time, dealt with

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Speaker 1: On these things, you know, you have a choice. It's

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not great, right if you really believe

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Speaker 1: in this and you want to stay in uh, stay

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Speaker 1: world of politics. You know there's going to be some risk.

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Speaker 1: But I would remind you there's risk and everything, and

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Speaker 1: But the answer cannot be I'm not going to do

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Speaker 1: You got to make yourself available to your constituents. If

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Speaker 1: you're going to be a public servant, hard stop security

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Speaker 1: All right, So that is the extent. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm not sitting here trying to say we're

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Speaker 1: We've got a huge problem in this country and we

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Speaker 1: need the right leadership. And if we don't get the

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Speaker 1: this isn't as much of an impact for those of

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Speaker 1: you that listen to me on audio, but for those

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Speaker 1: of you that watch me on YouTube, whenever we cut

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Speaker 1: out clips, any of my criticism of algorithms, you'll be

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Speaker 1: shocked to know has been suppressed on not circulated. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's their businesses, right, and these are private enterprises. It's

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Speaker 1: a reminder that it is a private enterprise. I'm well

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Speaker 1: aware of that, which means, you know, but if they

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Speaker 1: think they deserve this protection from section two thirty. What

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Speaker 1: they're actually doing to any criticism that comes at them

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Speaker 1: with their business practices is a reminder how two thirty

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Speaker 1: not a publisher. And I realize by just echoing this again,

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Speaker 1: I've probably risked a limiting of how their algorithm might

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Speaker 1: But you know you can't. They may choose to silence

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Speaker 1: keep bringing it up and keep bringing it up, and

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's something that's important to highlight

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Speaker 1: and it's not surprising. And I know I'm not alone

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Speaker 1: and that lack of transparency, of course, can be quite frustrating.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to start for today's to focus

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Speaker 1: doctor Susan Monarez. She testified before the Senate HELPED Committee

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Speaker 1: to remind people. So she was nominated on March twenty

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Speaker 1: He said this at her swearing in. Okay, at her

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Speaker 1: she told lawmakers on Wednesday that while she was still director,

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Speaker 1: she said. And then when it came to her scientific philosophy,

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Speaker 1: as follows. According to her Manara said she was ordered

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Speaker 1: such a lax regulatory environment because it really went well

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Speaker 1: with the tech companies when it came to social media.

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Speaker 1: They're so trustworthy. But if we're going to do that,

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Speaker 1: in exchange, they ought to help create a fund for

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Speaker 1: job retraining or displaced workers. Look, those were among the

436
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Speaker 1: promises that were made during NAFTA. They all most of

437
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: that stuff fell through. Yes, some people never took advantage

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Speaker 1: of some of the new education training that was available

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Speaker 1: to them, but I think a lot of that had

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Speaker 1: to do with poor implementation of those programs. But the

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Speaker 1: fact that I think it's interesting that it's the first

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Speaker 1: presidential candidate I've heard trying to come out with a

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Speaker 1: policy proposal that I think is going to be replicated. Right,

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to hear a lot of people

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Speaker 1: try to come up with something because the idea of

446
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Speaker 1: of fear of AI displacement and actual AI job displacement

447
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Speaker 1: by twenty twenty eight, I think is an issue that

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Speaker 1: I do think anybody running for president needs to be

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Speaker 1: prepared to deal with. And have a few other items

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Speaker 1: in my sort of notebook that I wanted to Essentially,

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Speaker 1: I have a comment or two on I give Trump

452
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Speaker 1: a lot of grief on the economy, right. I just

453
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: don't think he's got the right right focus here with tariffs.

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Speaker 1: I really I'm very skeptical of this. But he did

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Speaker 1: put out something that I noticed. There was some knee

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Speaker 1: jerk criticism, like you know, Trump critics all just say, oh,

457
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Speaker 1: this is a terrible idea, and it's like, damn, I disagree.

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Speaker 1: So Trump came out against the need for quarterly earnings reports.

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Speaker 1: He said it's too frequent. There's no reason why that

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Speaker 1: you couldn't shift earnings reports from once every three months

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Speaker 1: to once every six months. What's interesting is essentially investors

462
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Speaker 1: didn't like this, right, They want all that data quickly.

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Speaker 1: So in many ways, one of the things about the

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Speaker 1: advent of the quarterly report, many many people credit Jack

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Speaker 1: Welch when he was CEO of GE back in the

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Speaker 1: eighties and nineties as sort of the the godfather the

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Speaker 1: quarterly report. And at the time when people started pushing

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Speaker 1: the idea of putting out quarterly reports, it was an

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Speaker 1: attempt to get investors to see, hey, we're really making

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Speaker 1: real progress. We need we need your money now. You

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Speaker 1: should be buying our stock now right, so that they

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Speaker 1: had more capital to invest, more capital use, and the

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Speaker 1: quarterly report became mainstream. But I've talked to quite a

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Speaker 1: few CEOs who have been upset about the quarterly report

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Speaker 1: culture for some time, and including Jack Welch himself, before

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Speaker 1: he died, admitted that there were certain aspects what he

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Speaker 1: said are shareholder value culture, an over emphasis on short

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Speaker 1: term profits at the expense of long term value. Well,

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Speaker 1: these quarterly reports emphasized just that short term profits and

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Speaker 1: anytime your investors hate when companies talk about long term investments,

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Speaker 1: apparently unless it's AI. But the point is is that

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Speaker 1: you talk to and I've talked to, like I said,

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Speaker 1: quite a few people in the c suite here about

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Speaker 1: this issue. I remember when it first hit, I was

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Speaker 1: fascinated by this, and the more you think about it,

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Speaker 1: our entire you know, day trading culture. They want the

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Speaker 1: quarterly reports. Shoot, they'd take weekly reports if they could

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Speaker 1: get weekly reports. But when you do the quarterly reports,

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Speaker 1: it does sort of create a culture. And it's why

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Speaker 1: so many you know, CEOs only worry about shareholder value

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Speaker 1: for the two or three years that they're going to

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Speaker 1: stay CEO because in many of these cases, right, it's

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Speaker 1: just like being a general manager of a football team

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Speaker 1: you'll trade away or a basketball team you'll trade our

495
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Speaker 1: way draft picks six years from now because you're likely

496
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Speaker 1: not going to be the GM worrying about that draft

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Speaker 1: pick and instead whatever it takes to hurry up and

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Speaker 1: boost what you need in the moment. And so while

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Speaker 1: we see it in sports and understand it in sports

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Speaker 1: all the time, this is the equivalent of the constant

501
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Speaker 1: demand to show progress on your quarter report because if

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Speaker 1: you don't, if you ever ever report, that says, hey,

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Speaker 1: look we're going to take a hit for the next

504
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Speaker 1: couple of quarters because we're focusing on this. Investors never

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Speaker 1: reward the focus on long term and punish the crap

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Speaker 1: out of the company for doing the short term. If

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Speaker 1: there is one theme I've had over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks, it's incentives. Right. If you have good incentives,

509
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Speaker 1: you can get good outcomes. If you have bad incentives,

510
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: you end up with bad outcomes. Right, you want to

511
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Speaker 1: know why we're in debt, well, because there's always short

512
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Speaker 1: term isn't when it comes to politics too, But it

513
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Speaker 1: is not healthy for the long term growth of any company,

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Speaker 1: in the future of a business if you're constantly worried

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Speaker 1: about the short term. So the point is, Look, I

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Speaker 1: understand why some people always want to question a motive

517
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Speaker 1: of an idea with Trump, but this is where Trump

518
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: critics sometimes don't understand why he is. There are plenty

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Speaker 1: of people who give him more of the benefit of

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Speaker 1: doubt in the public than perhaps people who are experts

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Speaker 1: in the field'll do. Because he'll say things that people

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Speaker 1: agree with. It's it's how he executes it or what's

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Speaker 1: his motivation for it? Right? Is there some personal motivation?

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Speaker 1: He doesn't want to have to admit some company that

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Speaker 1: he is public is doing terribly right, like true the

526
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Speaker 1: parent company I in truth social never makes any money, right,

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Speaker 1: It's a total sort of feels like kind of a

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Speaker 1: grift whatever whatever whatever that you know, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: strange you know, I've sort of, i think turned it

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Speaker 1: into sort of whether crypto bank rolls sort of creates

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Speaker 1: phony value. I'm not quite sure that that entire culture

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Speaker 1: where you use bitcoin as a way, you know, you

533
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Speaker 1: if you became a meme stock like GameStop became, you

534
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden took whatever fake you know, it

535
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Speaker 1: wasn't fake profit, it was real profit, but it wasn't

536
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Speaker 1: because your company was doing anything innovative, and you just

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Speaker 1: took that cash to buy bitcoin, and then that got

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Speaker 1: people even more excited. Like it's such a strange way

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Speaker 1: to quote create shareholder value, and it all kind of

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Speaker 1: feels scammish. So I understand considering how much Trump has used,

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Speaker 1: you know, use the federal government to enrich himself and

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Speaker 1: enrich his family, you know, and really mixing the personal

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Speaker 1: and the business. We're seeing more evidence with what he

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Speaker 1: you know, these deals with the UAE that suddenly also

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Speaker 1: seemed to benefit companies that Witcoff and the Trump family

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Speaker 1: all are part of. And this or that it is you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, I am. I'm in the

548
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Speaker 1: market for an expert on the teapot dome scandal because

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Speaker 1: I think we're in the middle of recreating a version

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Speaker 1: of that where you have a whole bunch of people

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Speaker 1: using the federal government to personally profit. I mean, what's

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Speaker 1: going on at the Commerce Department with creating accelerators for

553
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Speaker 1: investment vehicles that you know what? And then how about

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Speaker 1: this TikTok deal. By the way, if we had a

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00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: functional Congress, if the outlines of the TikTok deal are

556
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Speaker 1: what's been reported, which is the Chinese government controls still

557
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: it's their algorithm, then what the hell have we done?

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00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: The whole point was to take the Chinese government influence

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Speaker 1: on the algorithm away from them. That is the point.

560
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: So if you're just it instead, there's just a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of friends of Trump who are going to profit

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Speaker 1: off of this own it as an American company with

563
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Speaker 1: Chinese influence. Seriously, if we had a functional Congress that

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Speaker 1: did real oversight, that wasn't so paranoid about the wrath

565
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: of Trump, there's no way this would pass the smell

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Speaker 1: test for anybody in Congress. Remember it, so Republican Congress

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Speaker 1: that wanted to get rid of the TikTok. It was

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Speaker 1: mostly people like Marco Rubio and Tom Cotton that were

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Speaker 1: pushing this the hardest. This is one of those where

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Speaker 1: the more you dig in, the more alarming everything about

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Speaker 1: it is TikTok self and the ability to influence an

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Speaker 1: entire generation, and the way it goes up and down,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that that algorithm has so much influenced

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Speaker 1: by the Chinese government. And now the US government has

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Speaker 1: cut a deal with the Chinese, so it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be banned, but they're still going to control the algorithm.

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00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: But it's just a bunch of Trump friends that get

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Speaker 1: the profit from this. But we don't actually solve the

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Speaker 1: problem of having one of America's one of small d

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Speaker 1: democracy's adversaries having influence over an entire generation on what

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Speaker 1: they see and how and how they interpret information. What

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Speaker 1: did we ban? What was the point of this TikTok ban?

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Speaker 1: Why are we even bothering with this at all? So anyway,

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Speaker 1: that is I think that is a pretty good uh.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna leave it there. I think it's

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Speaker 1: time for Rogo Chopers interview. We touched on a few things,

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing being I think most of you to

588
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: this day don't know what the Consumer Financial Protection Board is.

589
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: It was the brainchild of Elizabeth Warren, which fair or unfair,

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00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: probably politicized it as far as Republicans were concerned. If

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Speaker 1: it was an Elizabeth Warren idea, they were going to

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Speaker 1: be against it. But it really is a consumer watchdog thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like one of those things that like, you know,

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Speaker 1: people didn't like Ralph Nader at the moment, but everybody

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Speaker 1: loves the fact that Ralph Nader made us made had

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Speaker 1: seatbelts and airbags right, and like, over time, these consumer

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Speaker 1: protections are there to benefit everybody, And just because you

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Speaker 1: don't like the politics of the person that came up

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00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: with the idea doesn't mean it's not helpful to you.

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Speaker 1: And there really was not any mechanism, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of the FED is supposed to regulate how the big

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00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: bank singer interact with the consumer, and so that's essentially

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Speaker 1: the brainchild of this. One of the more interesting things

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Speaker 1: he says, and I don't want to take away from

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Speaker 1: the interview, but one of the most interesting things he

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Speaker 1: says is he really questions whether fines are a good

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Speaker 1: idea or not. I meaning, when you find these institutions,

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Speaker 1: they just view it as the customer doing business, which

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Speaker 1: means you're actually not incentivizing them not to break the law.

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Speaker 1: You're incentivizing them that they can essentially take advantage of consumers.

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Speaker 1: If they get caught, they pay a fine and they

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Speaker 1: don't do it anymore, but they may the fine may

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Speaker 1: be less than the profits that they made. That if

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Speaker 1: you don't have actual criminal where executives would be held

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00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: to a criminal account for you know, essentially misusing you know,

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Speaker 1: abusing a credit process or a loan process and sort

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00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: of taking advantage of their customers, that if you don't

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Speaker 1: have the potential for criminal penalties for those in the

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Speaker 1: C suites, you're never going to get behavioral changes because

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Speaker 1: the finds are seen as the price of doing business.

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Speaker 1: If you really were worried about actually going to prison,

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Speaker 1: that would actually impact change. All Right, So with that

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Speaker 1: there's my little update of sort of everything that's been

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Speaker 1: happening outside the larger story of America's alarming violent polarization.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna do a few questions and do

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Speaker 1: my little college football preview and keep that going it's

627
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Speaker 1: very exciting in the Todd Household game days coming to

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Speaker 1: the University of Miami in Coral Gable. So I'll have

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Speaker 1: a few thoughts on that, but let's start with some questions.

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Speaker 1: Ask Chuck. This one comes from Brian, and he says, check.

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Speaker 1: When you discuss possible independent senator states in your Life episode,

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Speaker 1: you noted Nebraska's unique one house legislature, and it made

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Speaker 1: me wonder if state senates mostly duplicate their lower houses

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Speaker 1: just with larger districts, why keep them at all. Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: ay single chamber like Nebraska's progressive reform from the nineteen

636
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Speaker 1: thirties make government more efficient other than state senators protecting

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Speaker 1: their own jobs. Why hasn't this idea caught on elsewhere?

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Speaker 1: Thanks Brian, You're right, you know, it's one of those

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Speaker 1: things where most states decided to just, you know, replicate

640
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Speaker 1: the three branches of government and then in the legislative branch,

641
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: right a lower house and an upper house. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I think it the logic of the people's house. And

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Speaker 1: at the time, remember it was the people's house versus

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Speaker 1: what the state legislators were going to create with the

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Speaker 1: It was the House of Lords. Okay, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you want to see it essentially right with Parliament, Right,

647
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Speaker 1: you have Parliament and then you have the House of Lords.

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Speaker 1: Well you have the US House, and we had our

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Speaker 1: version of the House of Lords senators. Now with the

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Speaker 1: redistricting wars, I do worry we are literally switching the

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Speaker 1: mindset where it is. State legislatures are now deciding who's

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Speaker 1: in the House and the people get to decide who's

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. Again. Founders would be scratching their heads

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Speaker 1: over this one. I can't come up with a great

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Speaker 1: defense of duplicating the House Senate thing other than I

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Speaker 1: just can't. And you're right, there's something about the unicameral

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Speaker 1: state legislature. You know, we don't notice we really don't

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Speaker 1: have it on the city level, right, we just have

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Speaker 1: one city council in most places, or a county executive board,

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Speaker 1: or you know, they're different names for it. So you

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Speaker 1: could you make a good case. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: good defense of the two houses in the states, not

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Speaker 1: at all, other than state house districts represent a smaller

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Speaker 1: group of people. State senate districts represent a larger group

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Speaker 1: of people. But ultimately, if you're looking at a city, state, federal.

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Speaker 1: You know. Then you know, in some places the state

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Speaker 1: senate districts are sometimes as large or larger than these

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Speaker 1: bigger states in the congressional districts, or they're almost about

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Speaker 1: the state the same size. So you know, maybe what

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Speaker 1: you would do is is argue you'd still want I

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Speaker 1: think you'd want your state legislative districts to be smaller

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Speaker 1: than your congressional districts. I think Texas it's getting close

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Speaker 1: to where in California where it's it's starting to become

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Speaker 1: that way. But you know, I I think in this

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Speaker 1: day and age, fewer politicians on the state level might

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Speaker 1: be a good thing. I have. I will tell you this,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I always put it this way. The the

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Speaker 1: more local the legislature, the fewer watchdogs there are, which

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Speaker 1: means there's more opportunity for corruption. So we have local

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Speaker 1: media has been sort of destroyed, state bureaus have been destroyed,

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Speaker 1: lobbyists and developers on the local level, lobbyists on the

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Speaker 1: state level having a ton of influence, maybe too much influence,

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Speaker 1: and in some ways having too many politicians running around

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Speaker 1: these state capitals almost invites some of that corruption. I

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Speaker 1: kind of would rather you make a good point, because

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Speaker 1: I'd also like to see these state legislatures. You know,

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Speaker 1: some of them are full time, some of them are

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Speaker 1: part time. Some of them are so part time they

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Speaker 1: can't really make a living, which then means they have

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Speaker 1: to go make a living, and then you can get

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Speaker 1: corrupted by that, like you know, in the state of Florida,

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Speaker 1: when you find out who the Speaker of the House

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Speaker 1: is two years in advance, which is essentially the process

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Speaker 1: that they use in the State of Florida, suddenly there's

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Speaker 1: almost like a bidding war to employ the speaker because

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Speaker 1: again it's not a full time job. They can hold

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Speaker 1: a full you know, as long as it's not too

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Speaker 1: conflict ye of interest, but there's plenty. It's obviously very

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Speaker 1: easy for that to be manipulated. So I'd be generally

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Speaker 1: in favor of owing to single chambers in all the houses,

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Speaker 1: as long as they made it so that I dumped

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Speaker 1: the part time legislature aspect of it. I think there

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Speaker 1: are all of these state economies are too big to

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Speaker 1: have state you know, we're we're not in agrarian society anymore.

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Speaker 1: We're meeting every other years enough, and most of these

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Speaker 1: states that still have the every other year, they end

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Speaker 1: up doing special sessions. So these guys end up having

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Speaker 1: to work a lot harder for their terrible pittance of pay,

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Speaker 1: particularly if you're a state rep in one of these

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Speaker 1: part time legislative states. So this is what I love

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Speaker 1: about taking questions, Brian. This is a good idea. I

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Speaker 1: will try to remember this throughout our various reforms, and

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Speaker 1: when I have one of these smart political scientists who

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Speaker 1: are talking about because I am obsessed with getting us

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Speaker 1: interested in a constitutional convention, this would all obviously be

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Speaker 1: state stuff, but who knows, maybe we can interest people

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Speaker 1: in streamlining government. Let's get rid of let's go to

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Speaker 1: let's copy Nebraska, go to unicameral legislatures. All right, Matt

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Speaker 1: al Right's love the new longer format. I remember you

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Speaker 1: back from your MSNBC numbers guys days. I agree, Minnesota

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Speaker 1: is the eighth swing state and could elect an independent again.

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Speaker 1: With Governor Wall seeking an unprecedented third term and an

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Speaker 1: open senence in twenty twenty six, our politics could get lively.

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Speaker 1: I agree. Yet national media still treats us like a

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Speaker 1: solid blue state instead of a light blue I also agree,

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Speaker 1: and it's wrong. It's extraordinarily light blue. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: get the same attention as Wisconsin or Michigan ps As

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Speaker 1: a Twins fan, do you think the team struggles stem

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Speaker 1: from ownership not investing enough or is it just the

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Speaker 1: challenge of being a small market club? Go Gophers, Go Vikings,

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Speaker 1: Go Timberwolves. First of all, I admire that you're all

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Speaker 1: in all things Minnesota. You're not like some hybrid fan

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Speaker 1: like me, who's a pack grew up in Miami, is

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Speaker 1: a Packer fan, childhood Dodger fan, now lives in Washington.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm very TRANSI it with mine. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've got a few local connections. I love I I

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Speaker 1: do pull for the Miami Heat. I do. And it

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Speaker 1: might be a little bandwagony on the Miami Heat, I'll

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Speaker 1: admit that. But I love my Hurricane so that that's

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Speaker 1: how I keep my hometown up and there. I do

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Speaker 1: love the skull chant for what it's worth, Matt. I

742
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Speaker 1: think it's one of the cooler chants. And I one

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Speaker 1: other fun little thing to throw at you. I heard

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Speaker 1: these days gamblers, a lot of the gambling sites have

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Speaker 1: been noting that home field advantage in the NFL. Really,

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Speaker 1: there is no excess home field advantage really except in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota there is there is. It does seem like you

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Speaker 1: guys have a have a pretty good, pretty good home

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Speaker 1: field advantage advantage out there. But as for your look,

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Speaker 1: I think I think that. And here's it goes to.

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Speaker 1: You probably heard the pushback from an old colleague of

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Speaker 1: mine about my order of the swing states, where he

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Speaker 1: said that he thinks New Hampshire is a better sort

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Speaker 1: of swing state for Republicans to try to put in

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Speaker 1: play than Minnesota, and you noted because Minnesota does feel

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Speaker 1: as if there's a there's certainly a high floor for

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Speaker 1: the Republicans, right it. Really it reminds me very much

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Speaker 1: of what Georgia and North Carolina were for Democrats for

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Speaker 1: a good ten or fifteen years. It was easy to

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Speaker 1: get forty five, forty six or forty seven percent. It

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Speaker 1: was really hard to get the last two or three.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is that way for Republicans, not hard to get

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Speaker 1: to the to the floor to the forty five forty six,

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Speaker 1: And in many ways it's a high floor, right And

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Speaker 1: you're not going to see unless you nominate a conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theorist for the US Senate like they did last time.

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Speaker 1: But in general, it's a there's definitely a high floor there.

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Speaker 1: But I do think the reputation of the Minnesota state

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Speaker 1: Party being a bit more concerned servative than the state

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Speaker 1: and I think that's always the nominating process. They've had

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Speaker 1: a convention process. You know, it's not lost on me

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Speaker 1: that the Republicans that have succeeded in my lifetime in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota have been people like Norm Coleman, Rudy Boschwitz, Arnie Carlson.

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Speaker 1: These were all, if I'm not mistaken, all pro choice Republicans,

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Speaker 1: actually very culturally moderate. I'm really just running as Republicans

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Speaker 1: on the fiscal side of things on that front, so

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving out I think Dave Dernberger I should meant

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Speaker 1: the late Dave Dernberger on that one. So I do

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Speaker 1: think it's it's because Republicans haven't broken through in such

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Speaker 1: a long time, right, not since Coleman O two And

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Speaker 1: that was that wacky where Wellstone dies, Mondale's the replacement candidate.

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Speaker 1: All happens within fifteen days of election day or something

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Speaker 1: like that, and Coleman narrowly wins. You know, when you

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Speaker 1: look at the history of Republican as of Minnesota. The

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Speaker 1: fact that that's the that's the loan essentially the loan

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Speaker 1: victory out there, I think it tells you. And you know,

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Speaker 1: as my old colleague pointed out, if Republicans couldn't come

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Speaker 1: within ten points of Al Frankett in twenty fourteen, a

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Speaker 1: great year nationally for Republicans, it does it is a

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Speaker 1: reminder that there is a maybe a high floor, but

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Speaker 1: boy is it really hard for them to get that

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Speaker 1: last three or four points. So I think that that ultimately,

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Speaker 1: you know, I always put it on our initial battlegrounds

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Speaker 1: whenever I've done our coverage. You know, I was basically

795
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Speaker 1: helped lead coverage for politics for NBC for nearly twenty years.

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Speaker 1: I always had Minnesota as one of the states we

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Speaker 1: may be needing to send an embed to and all

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Speaker 1: this stuff, and it would always be on the list,

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Speaker 1: and then by the by the fall, we ended up

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Speaker 1: pulling it off because the campaigns themselves weren't engaging, you know,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately it was you know, if if you know,

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Speaker 1: we didn't decide to cover a state because we didn't

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Speaker 1: think it was in play, it's when the campaigns themselves

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Speaker 1: don't go So it's not as if we didn't want

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Speaker 1: to cover the state. It's the campaigns themselves stopped going.

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Speaker 1: So you're going to get let you know, it's self reinforcement. Right.

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Speaker 1: If they really wanted to put Minnesota on the map,

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Speaker 1: you know, Trump would have been there four or five times.

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Speaker 1: And then you get more reporters coming, and then the

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Speaker 1: more they come, the more we come. So this is

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Speaker 1: where the this is where we're just the messagers. We

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Speaker 1: really are. We're just the reporters. If you go, we

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Speaker 1: will come. If you don't, we won't. It's as simple

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Speaker 1: as that when it comes to campaign coverage. Look as

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Speaker 1: for the Twins, I have a buddy of mine is

816
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: a scout for your fair twins. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: violate as confidence on all these things. All I'll say is,

818
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: you guys got hit hard by this ballet diamond sports

819
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Speaker 1: bankruptcy disaster when it comes to your TV rights, And

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Speaker 1: it's just this is where baseball's economics are screwed up.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a good revenue sharing plan, all right.

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Speaker 1: And as much as I know that you know, I

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Speaker 1: fear a lockout is coming in twenty twenty seven, we

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Speaker 1: may lose I think I shared with you that the

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Speaker 1: person who is my account executive trying to get me

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Speaker 1: to renew my season tickets with the Nationals. I said,

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Speaker 1: what you know, you know, I was unhappy with how

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Speaker 1: the nation. You know that the front office won't won't

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Speaker 1: say definitively whether they actually are going to try to

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Speaker 1: win next year or not. He said, you know, one

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Speaker 1: of the things that he'd been hearing is that people

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Speaker 1: want to get a little baseball, and in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six was because we may not have baseball in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty seven. That's how dire this financial outlook. I think,

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Speaker 1: at least how Major League Baseball the owners were played.

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Speaker 1: This could be a harsh one, but ultimately, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've already heard Bryce Harper, you know, essentially tell Manford

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Speaker 1: to pound infield dirt if you will when it came

839
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Speaker 1: to a salary cap. But you're never going to get

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Speaker 1: the players they are gree to a salary cap unless

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers and the Yankees agree to share an equal

842
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Speaker 1: amount of revenue with teams like the Twins. And if

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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen, I don't know how you're going to

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Speaker 1: get the players to accept a salary cap and until

845
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Speaker 1: you know, all the NFL owners, the NBA owners, and

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00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: NHL owners have all determined that even though some of

847
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: them could make more money on their own, that they

848
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Speaker 1: make more money sharing that the lead everybody making money

849
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: allows everybody to make money, and it's healthier for the league.

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Speaker 1: Baseball is not does not do its finances that way,

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Speaker 1: And the Dodgers probably get more revenue from Japan than

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00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: the Twins do collectively for their entire TV deal, and

853
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: that's unsustainable. How are the Twins supposed to stay competitive?

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Speaker 1: The only thing that gives the Twins a chance is

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Speaker 1: the playoff format because it's baseball. And as long as

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Speaker 1: you guys don't have to play the Yankees in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs because I think you're over your last fifty You

858
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: know you guys, You guys have done it right. You've

859
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: hacked your way into few times. It's been those pesky

860
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: Yankees that seem to be this whatever you guys make

861
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that they screw you. But in all seriousness,

862
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: the only thing that levels the playing field in baseball

863
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: is not the finances. It's the five game series and

864
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: that you could, essentially with two great pitchers steal a

865
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: five game series over a better team because your best

866
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: pitchers can pitch four of the five games. So anyway,

867
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: but I digress. Next question Jim Hey, Chuck, longtime fan here,

868
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: really appreciated your episode on social media and wanted to

869
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: ask if you think we should draw a sharper line

870
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: between genuine debate and train wreck television. For example, Ben

871
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: Shapiro's conversation with ezrak Klein was an actual exchange of

872
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: ideas well, clips of him destroying students on campus are

873
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 1: just algorithm driven reality TV that fuel caricatures and division.

874
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: Shouldn't we stop treating these as the same thing? Yes, yes,

875
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: and a one hundred times yes. Right. There are sometimes

876
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: crazy algorithm you know, the these debate moments that get

877
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: used to say, hey, you know, I see it like

878
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: Scott Jennings owns uh, you know, near a tandeon on

879
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: the CNN panel, you know, on whatever it is. And

880
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: if you actually watch the whole exchange, it's interesting back

881
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: and forth. But if you just clip the part that

882
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: fires up your side of the aisle, you know that

883
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: it you know, I know, and you're right, it totally

884
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: destroys debate, makes people think that there is no devil's

885
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: advocate argument, counterintuitive argument, things like that. You know, but

886
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that thinks, Jim, you and

887
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: I might be old men yelling at cloud right about this,

888
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 1: and that you know, you know, the there's a whole

889
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: bunch of people criticizing TV sound bites back in the

890
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, right, and then when when CNN first

891
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: started and we started to get more clips of what

892
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: people were saying, people were saying.

893
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: TV soundbites they should be replacing, you know, the long

894
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, you don't really and so you know, I'm

895
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: old enough to remember when we criticized the TV SoundBite,

896
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: and now we're we've taken the TV sound bite and

897
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: then amplified it and put it in an algorithm, and

898
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 2: then only and then and then.

899
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: Only showed it to people that would really get fired up.

900
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: So so I'm mindful that every new technology, some form

901
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: of this debate pops up. You know, when we went

902
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: from print to television news, there was a lot of

903
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: people that mocked the old TV news never going to

904
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: replace the newspaper. You don't get the full context of

905
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: a news story watching it, then you would reading the

906
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: full article in the paper. So but I guess the

907
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: problem is we keep sort of we go from a big,

908
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: long magazine story to the newspaper was slightly shorter, right

909
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: with the wire story even shorter, with the TV SoundBite

910
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: even shorter, and then of course with the tweet even

911
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: shorter than that. You know, and I think we've you know,

912
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: have we have we gotten to the efficiency to the

913
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: point where it's doing us harm? And I think we

914
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: all believe we've we've gotten to that. You know, I'm

915
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: gonna really show my age here, but there was a

916
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: time where Ted Kennedy and Orange Hatch used to do

917
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: I think monthly debates on PBS for a time. I

918
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: think the original firing line was some form of that.

919
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 1: You know, there's a famous special. There's a great famous

920
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: television debate you can go find on YouTube between Robert F.

921
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: Kennedy and Ronald Reagan back I think it was in

922
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: the in the in the late sixties. There was a great,

923
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, CBS television special back in sixty seven where

924
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan and Robert F. Kennedy took questions from from

925
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: youth of the world on that front. And it was

926
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: an interesting debate. So, you know, the early days of television.

927
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: We did debate really well, right, and then of course

928
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: we've we've it keeps becoming a derivative, a derivative, a derivative.

929
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: So you know, yes, I totally agree. It's the clips

930
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 1: and and of course it's it's how the business works, right.

931
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: I put out clips on my socials in order to

932
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: hopefully I'm trying to use it as a way to say, hey,

933
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: it's a brochure. Did you like that clip? I've got

934
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: more context here, But it's how it's on. This is

935
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: the incentive structure in building an audience. And this gets back.

936
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: I think I keep hitting on a theme, right, tell

937
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: me your incentives and I'll tell your outcomes. I think

938
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: we're starting to learn that, all right, next question, I'll

939
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: last one here and then I'll sneak in a little

940
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: college football preview. This one comes from James, who signs

941
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: off with a go bills. Is there any real benefits

942
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: political parties beyond giving people with money a way to

943
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: push their agenda? Could we ever ban parties all together?

944
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: And everyday life works sports everyone pulls toward one goal,

945
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: but politics feels like a football team split to each side,

946
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: refusing to help the other. I want to be better

947
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: to have everyday moderates running the country instead of partisans

948
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: who put party over country. Yeah, I mean that's the

949
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: world you and I want to live in. I just

950
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: think that we're in the minority on that. And here's

951
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: the thing. I even I want checks. I want, you know,

952
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: I want different ideologies, sort of testing each other's ideas,

953
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: because it may be you have the better ideas, but

954
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: your skepticism can bring some more transparency to the idea

955
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: and how we implement it. So I wouldn't want, you know,

956
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: this is why I like our arrangement. I'd like a Senate,

957
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: a judiciary filled with moderates. I think the judiciary should

958
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: be center right and center leftmont they should all be

959
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, you'd need seventy five votes in the Senate

960
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: to become a federal judge on any level, Okay, so

961
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: would I would start there. I want all the people

962
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: interpreting the legality and the constitutionality of laws to be that.

963
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: But I do want my House and Senate filled with

964
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: folks from the entire you know, across the spectrum, because

965
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: I want the very you know, because they're going to

966
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: be things I'm not thinking about that will be helpful

967
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: to you know, I want some civil libertarians in there

968
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: that maybe are too you know, so obsessed with with

969
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: it that it you know, maybe it goes too far

970
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: with some of these with with some of Rand Paul's ideas,

971
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: but I want his ideology and they're helping to question

972
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: some of that implementation. I want AOC in there. I

973
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: want Bertie sand You see where I'm going, right you so,

974
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think you'd want a world where

975
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: they didn't have a voice at all on that. But

976
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: as for political parties, you know, I think what you're

977
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: the two parties themselves are just money laundering machines. All

978
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: they are is vehicles to move money into other places, Okay,

979
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: both of them. That's that's essentially the function of the

980
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: state parties and the function of the of the national parties.

981
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: But if we had a if you wanted sort of

982
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: a more ideologically diverse, which we really are, right, We're

983
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: more diverse than two parties, you know, And you know,

984
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: if I were king for a day, i'd have four

985
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: major parties. And I do think that, you know, basically,

986
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: there are four sizes of basic of your basic T shirt, right, small, medium, large,

987
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: and extra large. Right, Yes, we have double X and

988
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: you have you know, some mediums and all this stuff.

989
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there aren't little sub things, right, but

990
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, four sizes would basically, you know, everybody could

991
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: find a size that's fit enough. Well, four parties would

992
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: do the same thing. Two is not enough, right, Small

993
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: and large wouldn't cut it, right, but adding in medium

994
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: and extra large and you feel like you're you're able

995
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: to essentially cover eighty percent of the country. And I

996
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: think four parties would do that, and then they'd be

997
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: I'd do Then you'd get you'd actually get platforms that

998
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: might be substantive if you had four parties, and the

999
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: parties might fight more for their agenda, and then they

1000
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: would see which side they want to have a coalition with,

1001
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: depending on which issue is a priority for them. If

1002
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: you're in the Progressive Party, it may be that the

1003
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: Nationalists agree with you on something when it comes to

1004
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: regulating big tech, and maybe you guys would forge a

1005
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: coalition government to just focus on that for a two

1006
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: year stent. So, I certainly I take your point, but

1007
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: I think the reason why our two political parties have

1008
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: become money laundry vehicles to just execute political campaigns is

1009
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: because they don't stand for anything, because both parties are

1010
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: they're almost too big to stand for anything. I mean,

1011
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: look the republic the Democrats are debating whether they should

1012
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: be socialists or capitalists, right the Republicans are having arguably

1013
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: a huge debate of whether it should be internationalists or protectionists. Right,

1014
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: free traders or protectionists. You know, these are some black

1015
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: and white issues when we don't so they're they're they're

1016
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: too big to stand for anything. So then the only

1017
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: way you can prove your effectiveness is just be a

1018
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: place to to move money for campaigns. So anyway, I

1019
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: totally fair question and an an understandable critique on that front. Obviously,

1020
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: our friend George Washington didn't think there should be any

1021
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: political parties on that front. All right, let me do

1022
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: my little college football preview of how I'm watching the weekend. Again,

1023
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: this is not me doing any gambling selections, but hey,

1024
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'm running a business here and so who knows, uh,

1025
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe it will turn into that. So the games on

1026
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: my you know, this is on paper, this is not

1027
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: the you know, this isn't like opening weekend or even

1028
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: last weekend, where we knew we had a couple of

1029
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: big games that were going to be of interest, particularly

1030
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: Georgia Tennessee. By the way, I'm very thankful for the rain,

1031
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: for the rain to let the lightning delay in the

1032
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: Miami South Florida game, because it allowed me to watch

1033
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: just about all of that Georgia Tennessee game, which was

1034
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: just entertaining. Man, you just you know, I normally would

1035
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: have said, you never see that in the NFL. But

1036
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: the Giants Cowboys game last week felt like a college

1037
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: football game, didn't it the way they were going back

1038
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: and forth. But that was that was a lot of fun.

1039
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: This week, I am going to be attending a game

1040
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: in person. So it is just so you know, as

1041
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: a Hurricane fan, the Gator rivalry, it's I will fully

1042
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: confess that we hate the Gators more than the Gators

1043
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: hate Miami. The Gators don't care about the Hurricanes. Steve

1044
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: Spurrier dropped. We used to play every year, and Steve

1045
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: Spurrier dropped it as soon as you know, because he

1046
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: complained that the I see, you know, it was the

1047
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: state legislature mandates that Florida and Florida State have to play.

1048
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: But Miami's a private school, so he didn't have to

1049
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: do that. Florida State and Miami play every year now

1050
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: they're in conference, but even before that, they did because

1051
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: Florida State needed opponents. Back when they used to be

1052
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: at an all girls' school before they became Florida State,

1053
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: they were a teacher college back in the back in

1054
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: the day. And then when they transitioned to being co

1055
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: ed started a football team, they needed a team to

1056
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: play and Miami was always there. So you know, there's

1057
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: there's almost like a sibling Miami and Florida State are

1058
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: are are brothers, siblings, brothers and sisters. It's a sibling rivalry.

1059
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: Some of the fans may take it too far in hatred,

1060
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: but it's sibling. It ain't a sibling rivalry at the Gators, right,

1061
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of there's a lot of old

1062
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: bad just bad blood. There's a there's a famous story

1063
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: that my dad passed on to me called the Gators

1064
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: Flop and I think it had to do with a quarterback.

1065
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it was Spurri or I think it

1066
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: was another quarterback. But it was before I was born

1067
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: and they wanted to set some record set some all

1068
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: time passing record at the time, but Florida needed to

1069
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: get the ball back, so they let Miami score a touchdown.

1070
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: And it was just sort of a humiliating way. And

1071
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: so when when Miami got good in the late seventies

1072
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: early eighties, Howard Snellenberger decided to use that story the

1073
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: Gator flop, and it became known as the Gator flop.

1074
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: I think a sports writer, you know, in order so

1075
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: that the Gators could quickly get the ball backs that

1076
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: could throw some five yard paths so their quarterback could

1077
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: break the all time record, which of course probably stood

1078
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: for a day or a year or a season or whatever, right,

1079
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: so that you know, that became lower for Miami, and

1080
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: we Miami owned the Gators in the from about seventy

1081
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: nine really since like the Gators have, you know, And

1082
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the problem. Why did Spurriyer

1083
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: really stop wanting to play Miami Because they were always

1084
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: losing to Miami for one reason. In fact, one of

1085
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: the few times they beat Miami in my memory was

1086
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: the the was nineteen eighty three, which happened to be

1087
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: the first time Miami won the national title. Miami lost

1088
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: the opening game of the year. We had to play

1089
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: in Gainesville. They kicked our ass twenty eight to three.

1090
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: We had this true freshman quarterback playing. No, it was

1091
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: a red shirt excuse me, it was a red shirt

1092
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: freshman quarterback. His name was Bernie Cossar, and he actually

1093
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: had a pretty good game. It just we hadn't quite

1094
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: clicked yet with the receivers, right, Eddie Brown was one

1095
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: of those receivers. If you're really wondering who I'm talking

1096
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: about here, and Miami doesn't lose another game, right, they

1097
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: end up going eleven to one, beat Nebraska and then

1098
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: famous thirty one to thirty game and the rest is

1099
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: history in the Miami program is born if you will.

1100
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: That season and I remember Gators fan made t shirts

1101
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: to say, you know that they were you know, they

1102
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: beat the national champs, you know, And it was the

1103
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: next year they were going to beat us, and we

1104
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: beat them in Tampa. We played them in a special

1105
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: in Tampa. Miami played. It was preseason rae. They played

1106
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,919
Speaker 1: to play Florida. They played Auburn in the first ever

1107
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: Kickoff Classic against Bo Jackson. Auburn always felt screwed out

1108
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,479
Speaker 1: of the national title game in eighty three, so they

1109
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: matched up Miami and Auburn. Miami beats them. Trust me,

1110
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: I know my brother in law is listening. Is still

1111
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: he's still he's an Auburn fan. He's still mad about

1112
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: that nineteen eighty three season. Believes at Auburn, which won

1113
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: the Sugar Bowl that night when Miami beat Nebraska in

1114
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: the Orange Bowl. But they beat an unimpressive Michigan team.

1115
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: Miami beat the number one team in the country. We

1116
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: were both eleven and one, and then we beat them

1117
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: the next year, not by much, but we beat them.

1118
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: Then we five days later have to play Florida, and

1119
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: then a week later we have to go up to

1120
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: Michigan in the Big House, and we'd lose. And anyway,

1121
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: that same season that was crazy. Season eighty four is

1122
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: the season of the Doug Flutey Hill Mary and all

1123
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: this other nonsense. But my point is is that we

1124
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: Miami fans hate the Gators more than the Gators hate us.

1125
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: We know this, we get it. Florida cares probably more

1126
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: about beating Georgia. I think they care more about beating

1127
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: Georgia than they do even Florida State anymore. But it'll

1128
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: really sting if we don't win this game, that I'll admit,

1129
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: And it's nice to see that Game Day's coming to

1130
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: Coral Gables for this again. Maybe they'll say I'm trying

1131
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: to I wonder the last time ESPN decided to feature

1132
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: a game for Game Day where one of the two

1133
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: teams had a losing record. Anyway, I I'm weirdly confident

1134
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: about this Miami team, but I don't want to get

1135
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 1: over confident. But I do love how tough they are

1136
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: on the offensive line and defensive line, and that is

1137
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: what keeps them. I think why they see the other

1138
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: games that matter that I'm watching this week that I

1139
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: think are going to be fun and you should check out.

1140
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm learning about the Iron Skillet game. This is SMU

1141
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: TCU Dallas versus Fort Worth. Obviously, I've got tuition dollars

1142
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: going to SMU. They're on the road. They got to

1143
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: go to Fort Worth to play there. TCU's favored Last year,

1144
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: SMU pasted them. Let's just say I think a lot

1145
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: of said fans are nervous about this game. TCU looked

1146
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: really good against Bill Belichick's UNC. We're going to find

1147
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: out if they're any good. I do think this game

1148
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: will tell us a lot about both teams, so definitely

1149
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: might be sneaky one of the games of the day,

1150
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 1: The most underrated game of the day is probably Illinois Indiana.

1151
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: I'd love for any of my friends in Illinois or

1152
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: Indiana to tell me the last time Illinois and Indiana

1153
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: played a football game where they were both ranked. And

1154
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: this one, I think winners in the catbird seat to

1155
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: get the fourth playoff spot out of the big ten.

1156
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Big ten gets four, SEC gets four, ACC

1157
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: gets two, and then you'll have one Big twelve and

1158
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: and one. That's my guess, and so i think winner

1159
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: of Illinois Indiana probably in the driver's seat for that

1160
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: last spot, unless USC is as good as they've looked

1161
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: so far. Auburn Oklahoma is another one. This is another

1162
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: one that's gonna matter. Is owe you the fourth SEC team?

1163
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,759
Speaker 1: Could they be the fourth SEC team? What about Auburn

1164
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: on that front? Are they? You know? And it's of

1165
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: course you've got Jackson Arnold returning to Oklahoma. So there's

1166
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 1: a fun little storyline there. That's gonna be a fun game.

1167
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: And I'm very curious of the Michigan Nebraska game. I

1168
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 1: think this is an extraordinarily important game. Look, if Michigan

1169
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: has any hope of sneaking into the playoff, they got

1170
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 1: to win this game, right losing they're out after losing

1171
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: that Oklahoma game. But Nebraska's fascinating here. If they're I

1172
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: don't think they're quite a playoff team, but they win

1173
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 1: this game and there suddenly this could feel like what

1174
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: sort of what Illinois was last year where they were

1175
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: they took a step, they had a winning record. I

1176
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: think they were nine to three. If Nebraska is finally

1177
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: if Matt Rule's going to work, this is the game

1178
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: we find out that Matt Rule's going to work. I

1179
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: got a lot of Husker friends. They're a fun fan base,

1180
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: so it'd be great to see Nebraska relevant again. I'd

1181
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: like to see this happen. And then it's also worth

1182
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: noting that the old Pac twelve rivalries of Oregon Oregon

1183
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: State and Washington Washington State are both this weekend. So

1184
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: you've got the Civil War in Oregon and the Apple

1185
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: Cup in September. You know, screw you college football for

1186
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: screwing up all these rivalries and all these fun things.

1187
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: This was a great rivalry when these would be in

1188
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: October and November. I don't know, you know, I certainly

1189
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: hope one of them is cold and rainy, but I

1190
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: don't think it's cold and rainy right now. And that's

1191
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: what you expect in Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State.

1192
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: So look, those are the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

1193
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: Those to me are the seven most interesting games on

1194
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: the board. There are other really interesting games if you're

1195
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: a gamble but again, you guys go other places for that.

1196
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: You don't come here for the gambling advice. You come

1197
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: here for the college football enjoyment advice, right, So with that,

1198
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: enjoy your college football weekend, enjoy your NFL weekend, and

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01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: I'll see you in about seventy two hours.