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Speaker 1: second round. Okay, So I have something I want to

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Speaker 1: Now, I have a lot of respect for your writing

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Speaker 2: And so you know, I have friends that are in

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Speaker 1: I want to talk because your primary thing now is podcasting.

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Speaker 1: two of the most curious guys, genuinely curious guys. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Rogan cares about shit that I wouldn't spend a minute on,

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Speaker 1: I think it's tell everybody your warts and be curious

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Speaker 1: as hell, and that essentially if you're those two, you win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of what you said makes

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Speaker 2: then maybe you get to the school. And that was

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Speaker 2: formatics and you guys all worship him, and it'd be like, well,

428
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Speaker 2: that's Colin, you know, that's kind. But ultimately, like I was,

429
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: I was sitting there thinking, like, what Colin is saying

430
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 2: in those opens is so much more important than anything else.

431
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Speaker 2: I don't care if it's rejoined suck. I don't care

432
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: if he forgets the reset. I don't care if his

433
00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: teases are terrible. What's important is the meat, Like you know,

434
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 2: what's the meat? Because the meat is what's going to

435
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 2: bring me back. And it's funny too, because I started

436
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: to realize, like when I would drive in to work

437
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: and I would catch you, or if I was already there,

438
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 2: and you know you were on in the hallway or

439
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: on in the office. I would be more annoyed when

440
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 2: you had a guest than when you had an open segment.

441
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: Even if I disagreed with everything that you were saying,

442
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: I at least was interested in the way that you

443
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: were going to perceive things right. And this is what

444
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: I think is like a real difference between who is

445
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: somebody that people want to listen to versus like who

446
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: is a good broadcaster, Because we can get into a

447
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 2: whole podcasting thing too, where it's like, look, you can

448
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: be a podcaster this afternoon after going to Best Buy

449
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: if you really want to be one. You know, when

450
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: I first started trying to read books about screenwriting, Robert

451
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: McKee and Story, which is kind of like a standard book,

452
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 2: he would say like who would ever pick up a

453
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Speaker 2: guitar and be frustrated that they couldn't play a song

454
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Speaker 2: that afternoon? But yet everybody would open up final draft

455
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Speaker 2: and think like, hey, I'm a screenwriter, and it's like, well,

456
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: because one is the most intimidating thing and the other

457
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: thing is just sort of type and you have to

458
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: be bad at it before you can be good at it,

459
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: but you don't realize how bad you are as a writer.

460
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: You realize immediately how bad you are as a guitar player.

461
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: And I think there's some similarities in like podcasting, where

462
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: you go, well, what's so hard about that? Like I'm

463
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: just going to grab a mic and I hit record

464
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: and look at me. I'm a broadcaster, but I think

465
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: the radio instincts helped a lot of us become better podcasters.

466
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 2: But the real answer to what you were talking about,

467
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: which I've sort of delayed in getting there, is that

468
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 2: you have to have life experiences to be interesting. And

469
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: if you are like, hey, i'm high school football, I

470
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: am doing all the Syracuse stuff, I'm doing all the

471
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Speaker 2: Miszoo stuff, Northwestern stuff, and now I have a job

472
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 2: like right away doing updates at twenty two years old

473
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Speaker 2: in Chicago. It gets great that you've already mapped it

474
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Speaker 2: out and you're already on the air at that in

475
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Speaker 2: the traditional sense of things, you know, where you had

476
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 2: to kind of get somebody to say yes to you,

477
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: where now no one has to say anything to you

478
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: and you could just be a podcaster. But what made

479
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Speaker 2: you interesting? And I think what makes a row interesting

480
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: or Deck's interesting is that if you have to fill

481
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: up all this space, you better have gone through some

482
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: different experiences in life to then form perspective on all

483
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: of these other topics that go far beyond, like the

484
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: technical ability that you might learn in a more traditional

485
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 2: way that I don't think you and I ever learned.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's just stuff I think about all the time.

487
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: I've thought about it a lot. With the volume is

488
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: when I'm listening to people, what turns me on, what

489
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: turns me off? And a lot of times it's people

490
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Speaker 1: with a lot of crap and they talk about it

491
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: and it forms their opinions and life kind of perspective,

492
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Speaker 1: and I think it's speaking.

493
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Speaker 2: To Look, let me stay on this, Like, I remember

494
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Speaker 2: you got really personal ones because of something you were

495
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Speaker 2: going through, So I don't right it was a divorce, right, Yeah,

496
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: so you started talking about your divorce. I think you

497
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: got a little shit for doing it. You wanted to

498
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Speaker 2: share it with your audience because especially in radio, which

499
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Speaker 2: again the fact that you've continued to do this three

500
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Speaker 2: hours a day for this many years as somebody that

501
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Speaker 2: had to do it for ten years, I don't know

502
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Speaker 2: if I don't know if I could do it. I

503
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: don't know if I could. Like when I was in it,

504
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: I didn't think about it. Now that I've been out

505
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: of it for seven years, I don't know that I

506
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: could go back to doing it. But I don't know

507
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: that you can become great at this, whether it's the

508
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: talk show and obviously we're talking audio more here. Think

509
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Speaker 2: about how many people are investing their time into you.

510
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: And I've always felt like one of the biggest lessons

511
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: was that they want to know more about you. So

512
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Speaker 2: even though it may seem I'm professional, it may even

513
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Speaker 2: see weird. Hey stick to sports. If you can find

514
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: a way to make the human connection, I think you

515
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: get paid back with such incredible loyalty because you open

516
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: up a little bit more. You show that you're vulnerable.

517
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: Like all of us want to be right, all of

518
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: us want to sound like we're the coolest guy in

519
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: the room all the time, but like you can't. You

520
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: can't really do that, Like you have to. You have

521
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: to be it's not even self deprecating. You have to

522
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: be willing to share moments of your failure. And I

523
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Speaker 2: think you did that in a way where in the

524
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: in the moment, a lot of people didn't understand it.

525
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: But I really think that's what the audio relationship is about,

526
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: because you have to pay back all of those people

527
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: that are investing so much time with you as part

528
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Speaker 2: of their daily routine.

529
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean people, some people. I know me, I

530
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: tune into a show every single morning, like I have.

531
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: I have a rhythm to my day, like and if

532
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: I if the podcast isn't there every Tuesday and Thursday

533
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: for people, I'm like, I'm kind of bitter. I'm like,

534
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: you're I'm on the train now. I want to be entertained.

535
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: So it's like, you do give yourself to people. By

536
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: the way, I do take the train and I needn't

537
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: know trains do this. I know it's crazy, right, It's

538
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: just freaking crazy. So I was in Manhattan Beach the

539
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: last couple of days. I was in out. I had

540
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: to go see dentist and all that crap. So I

541
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: was just in and out. But you know, Nick Wright

542
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: was joking, He's like, dude, you will be off that

543
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: train in two days when you get a car service.

544
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be, but the burbs

545
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: to the city in Chicago are worse than LA traffic.

546
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: It's a twenty nine minute train ride and they have

547
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: a quiet car. Bro I have never listened to more

548
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: podcasts yours included. I get on that thing in the

549
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: morning at seven thirty eighth five ogl V Transportation Center.

550
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: My driver picks me up. I go to the Big

551
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: ten network. Do my show? I it is. It forces

552
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: me to podcast it. Otherwise I just, you know, I'll

553
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: sit around and just spitball and waste time and clean

554
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: the house. Forces me to listen to podcasts I listen

555
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: to every five days a week. I'm on one for

556
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: thirty minutes every day. So in a strange way, it

557
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: forces me to be disciplined listening to other people's work,

558
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: and I love it.

559
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Speaker 2: Do you find yourself like trying out things that you

560
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: would never listen to? Because I mean, there's so much

561
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: stuff out there. Do you do you look at it?

562
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: I wonder how much of it is as a consumer

563
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: versus like an evaluator or somebody who's done the job

564
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: for this long.

565
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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a good question. I trust my staff

566
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: at the volume. They come to me with stuff, but

567
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: I trust them to find stuff. The first year I

568
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: was helping the find stuff, but now I feel like

569
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: I've got my farm system. I mean, I've got my

570
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: scouts all lined up and that's what they do, and

571
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: they'll bring stuff to me. So I'm generally looking for people.

572
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, oh, somebody told me about Sam Harris, well,

573
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: let's give that a run. And somebody told me about this, Okay,

574
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: let's give that a run. I'm experimental, like I'll listen

575
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: to I'll listen. You know, for about a week and

576
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: a half, two weeks, I was listening to Jake Tapper interviews.

577
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: I wanted. I didn't buy his book, but I wanted

578
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: to hear him try to kind of wiggle his way out.

579
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Speaker 2: Of isn't that a fascinating I'm halfway through the book.

580
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: Oh and I uh, it was sent to me.

581
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Speaker 1: Where do you land on that? How do you feel

582
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: about that?

583
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: I have an analogy, but it's a little too harsh.

584
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: It's a good line, but it's too harsh. It has

585
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: nothing to do with my political leanings one way or

586
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: the other. I think you and I are actually pretty

587
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: aligned with the way we see the world. You know,

588
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: I could sit there and get mad about it of stuff.

589
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: I just don't know why you'd want to do that

590
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: all day long and just share it. But some people

591
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: are super into doing that and just all day long,

592
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: let him, you know, fire him off. This is wrong,

593
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: this is right, this is wrong. I think Tapper, like

594
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people in the media, to pretend that

595
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: the rest of us were the assholes that were like,

596
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: what's going on here? And then to be the guy

597
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: that writes the book. Maybe it's as simple as the

598
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: publisher's going, this is the best, Like, let's get him

599
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: to write the book, have everybody be pissed about it,

600
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: and Alex also wrote the book with him. I just

601
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: wonder if that was a tactical thing where it felt

602
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: pretty gross to have Tapper be the guy that's going

603
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: to write the book, that's going to set the record straight.

604
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Speaker 2: And again, I don't know how much did Alex do

605
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Speaker 2: more of the work, that's the co author of the

606
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: whole thing. I just wondered if it was like a

607
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: publisher's dream despite the questions.

608
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Speaker 1: So Alex is like the guy who just won that primary,

609
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Speaker 1: you know, the socialist democrat in New York. I always

610
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Speaker 1: thought his strength that guy because the last two weeks

611
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: I followed that religiously. I was fascinated by it. A

612
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Speaker 1: socialist stallists.

613
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Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to make sure I

614
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: said his last name. I felt glad that I didn't

615
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: have it.

616
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Speaker 1: Formerly of the Atlantic. Now he's got a sub stack.

617
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Speaker 1: So I've been following in for years. Much like that

618
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Speaker 1: mayor mayoral candidate. Alex has a strength, which is he's

619
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Speaker 1: not snarky in disagreement. He'll listen, the discourse is redeemable.

620
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Speaker 1: He's not Tapper's different. Tapper sat on the throne on

621
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Speaker 1: CNN and could be an a hole and could be

622
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Speaker 1: dismissive and snarky. So I'm much less willing to just

623
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: go whoa. He missed on that one. It's like how

624
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: you presented it from your chair, like Alex Thompson acknowledges

625
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: like it's almost a journey with him. Hey man, I'm

626
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: fascinated by this whoa. I think I'm right, but he's

627
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: not dismissive, and that's okay. I find that too many

628
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: people like I always say I would like to be right,

629
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: but I'd rather get it right, So like I never

630
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: get too rigid on the right thing. I think my

631
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: thing what Tapper was, bro, you came off as really condescending.

632
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm not into it. Bill Maher has strong beliefs, but

633
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: will laugh at himself if he's wrong, Like we just

634
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: be like totally own it. And I'm like, that's exactly

635
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: how to present it. Now. Bill's obviously a comedian, so

636
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: he's better at that. But when the media is in

637
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: the media mostly leans left, CNN certainly does. When the

638
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: media presents itself as your argument has no merit, it's like, guys,

639
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: we all have TikTok. We're all seeing the Biden videos

640
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: where he's just stiff standing stiffly. It's like, yeah, we've

641
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Speaker 1: all had a gramdma like that or a grandpa like that.

642
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: We know what's happening. So that's why, that's why I'm

643
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: willing to give Alex the benefit of the doubt and

644
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: not Jake Tapper.

645
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say we're in agreement on that one.

646
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: You know, I remember when Bobby Knight, yeah, went through

647
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: all of his different stuff and it was the Neil

648
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: Read incident where you know, he had choked a player,

649
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: allegedly choke the player, and then the video came out, right,

650
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: and so it was like, Okay, well, now the video's out.

651
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: And then Bobby Knight had a book that came out

652
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: and I remember I didn't want to buy it because

653
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to read, you know, two hundred plus

654
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 2: pages of his self absorbed vibe, even if I can

655
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: respect what he was capable of doing there for a

656
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: really long time as a basketball mind. But I remember

657
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: jumping in the game. And I'm paraphrasing this because it

658
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: was a really long time ago, but I remember where

659
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: I was. I think I was like in ken Moore Square.

660
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: There's Barnes and Noble there, and I was like, let

661
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: me just see if I can find like the Neil

662
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: read part of this book and the way he tried

663
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: to rationalize it, and he was like, you know, I

664
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: also thought it was really interesting, like how grainy the

665
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: video was, and I just was so disgusted. I was

666
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: so disgusted reading that, being like you're trying to figure

667
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: out I mean, this is almost like the defense attorney

668
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: trying to conjure up any reasonable doubt. But you're like, hey,

669
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: look like this is a kid that went to your

670
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: school and you lost your shit, and you have a

671
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: track record of being unhinged, and now that you're going

672
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: to tell me, you're going to tell me that I'm

673
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: an asshole for like questioning what happened here. And that's

674
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: why I'm not super political at all. It has nothing

675
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: to do with Biden. Or if it were the other

676
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: way around, I'd feel the exact same way if you

677
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: felt like you had very curated opinions on this national story.

678
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: It's a global story. Anyone that had any kind of

679
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: common sense was like, what's going on here? And then

680
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: to be just reprimanded yeah, by so many people, and

681
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: then to have one of the guys that reprimanded you

682
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: now making millions off of this book, I wouldn't want

683
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: to write it. I'd feel bad.

684
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, that's how I felt. No, I it's and

685
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: by the way, I can, I can respect somebody's political

686
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: acumen and their work ethic, but that's that's how I

687
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: always fall. The other thing.

688
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: About Maverick's pick for the draft recap today.

689
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: Dude, listen, you've done that that.

690
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: Everybody knows you so No.

691
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: So it's one of the things. This is the one

692
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: thing about political talk that where it gets it's really cringey.

693
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: When like a comedian, a funny comedian, Dave Chappelle's really talented,

694
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: it could be uh, John Mulaney's really talented. It doesn't

695
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: matter who it is Nick Kroll. These guys are talented

696
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: people and they do something that's funny, but it's a

697
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: little political, and like or like Bill Burr says something,

698
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: now everybody's like, Bill Burr's not funny, f off, he's hysterical.

699
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: The guy is one of the all time eight stand

700
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: up guys. The cringiest thing political people do, or even

701
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: the public does, is when you take a comedian. And

702
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: let's face it, one of the funniest things Saturday Night

703
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Live ever did. And I'm no comedy judge, but when

704
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: they when they did that bit on the night Trump

705
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: won and all these liberals are upstairs. I think Chappelle's

706
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: in that, and they're in the apartment upstairs. Did you

707
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: ever see that one? I think that's the funniest thing

708
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Oh, it's all. And what they're doing

709
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: is Saturday Night Live pretty introspective looks at themselves and

710
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: they're like in a New York apartment and it's during

711
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: the election, and I think Chappelle's in it, and they're

712
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: making fun of themselves and how New Yorkers talk, like

713
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: as Trump is winning state by state and it's like

714
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: that moment I had more respect for Saturday Night Live

715
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: because they were making fun of themselves. It was a

716
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: real moment.

717
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 2: I know, you look up. It was a clear shift

718
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 2: with SNL where it was like hey, And I don't

719
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: know if that was because they were just I don't

720
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: know that it was aligned with Trump's victory, but it

721
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: felt a bit of like, hey, we've been doing kind

722
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: of the same material here for a long time, Like

723
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: what right for when I see like a breakout clip

724
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: of a monologue from a late night host and you're

725
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: just like, dude, that was that was a joke from

726
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: like nine years ago. You know you're still doing this shit.

727
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with like political like sensitivities.

728
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: You're just like, hey, I'm more offended as a content person,

729
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: like you get to recycle the ship constantly. So I

730
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: don't know if SNL did it, whether it was self awareness,

731
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: whether it was tactical or you know.

732
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: It was Chappelle. By the way, it was Chappelle. It's

733
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: really and it was really a moment for me. It

734
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they get it, like they get we're

735
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: all kind of making fun of what they become. And

736
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: so the only thing about politics where I'm really like,

737
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh is when people start telling me comedians

738
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: who I've laughed at for twenty years aren't funny. You know,

739
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: Chappelle did a transgender thing, and it's like it may

740
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: not be my favorite thing, but don't tell me he's

741
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: not funny, you know, don't tell me he's not talented.

742
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: That And I always think to myself, are you trying

743
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: to convince me that this comedian that I've watched six

744
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: Netflix specials isn't talented? Like stop? Like That's how it's

745
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: almost like it poisons people. They get so into politics

746
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: that they think they're trying to convince people on the

747
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: internet stuff we know to be true isn't true. That's

748
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: where it's weird.

749
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: I just don't have any time for that stuff. I'm

750
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: not passionate enough about it. I mean, I certainly have thoughts.

751
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: I can think some things are right, I can think

752
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: some things are wrong. But in our world, like it

753
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: doesn't really do us any good. I think every now

754
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: and then, like you'll feel motivated to go, hey, I'm

755
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: actually going to use my platform to say this kind

756
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: of stuff. I feel like there was a generation behind

757
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: us at ESPN, Like I've always you know this kind

758
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: it goes back to your radio days. But I think

759
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: I've said a version of this before. But every now

760
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 2: and then, like maybe every six months during your prime

761
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: back then, you would you would let something fly that

762
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: was like a societal observation and maybe there was a

763
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: little hint of politics in there, but it just it

764
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: still felt safe. But it was a departure from the

765
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Steelers have enough, you know,

766
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: like you were like, look, i gotta do three hours.

767
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: Let me let me expand a little bit, but it

768
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: didn't feel like that's what you really deep down wanted

769
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: to do. And it usually was really good and then

770
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: it would stand out because it was a departure from

771
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: the norm. It was insightful, maybe it got some people

772
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: in the car thinking a little differently, and it would

773
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: have this moment where it would kind of stand out.

774
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: And then I started noticing like more and more. I

775
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: was like, I feel like everybody's kind of doing this

776
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: like a lot more. And then it was like, I

777
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: don't know, I still like to watch games and I'm like,

778
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: I'm not why. I'll admit, like I don't know that

779
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm super educated on this. I can have a thought,

780
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: but they'll be immediately all these people telling me that

781
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, depending on how they're aligned. And so, you know,

782
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: back in the day of starting this whole stuff of like, hey,

783
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 2: I want to do NFL Mondays, but i'd really start,

784
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, I want to start talking about like you know,

785
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: county seats and you know, the change of representation, like

786
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: like to start mixing that in a little tuesdays. Maybe

787
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: I in compare to the Rangers bullpen, I don't know,

788
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: but like I'll figure out a way, but let me

789
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: start dancing in those lanes. And I think we had

790
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: talked about this where I started to wonder, like are

791
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: you doing this to stand out? Are you doing it

792
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: because you think it's right. Are you doing it because

793
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: it's just fucking way easier than watching a million games

794
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 2: and staying on top of everything. And so it felt

795
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: like for a while there the job was kind of

796
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: changing and it has nothing to do with like how

797
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: I feel about what you do or you don't believe

798
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: in When we started, I got in because I loved sports,

799
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: and I don't know if the SNL things like a

800
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: good parallel to this, but maybe it has kind of

801
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: come back around like maybe you know, yeah, it's like smart,

802
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: it kind of matters all over again, because if you're

803
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: really doing yourself, unless you're just gonna lean in so

804
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: far one way or the other, you're like, Okay, I'm

805
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: aligned with this group, and this is always going to

806
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: be my group, and they're always gonna have my back,

807
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna have daily content to make fun of

808
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: the other one. Like the political content people, I'm jealous

809
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: of them, Like every day you get something that you

810
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: can make fun of that, you'll have so many people

811
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: supporting you. No right, but for us, like I want

812
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, look, you do this long enough, you're gonna

813
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: have plenty of people who don't like you. But I

814
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: don't know why I would ever really want to like

815
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: have have one career where I'm trying to like show

816
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: off of like here's here's all this other stuff that

817
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: I could talk about and get you again, because I

818
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: don't know that I feel super comfortable about it. But

819
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: the boss, the boss would always be like, what the

820
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing? Why are you? Why are you

821
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: doing this? Somebody may love your football stuff, they may

822
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: love your basketball stuff, but the second you start doing

823
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: some of this other stuff, like you're immediately going to

824
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: piss off people that are just listeners and viewers, and

825
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: we're not actually in business to be losing those people.

826
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: So even though I know there was an argument in

827
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: the past of like, it doesn't matter about any of that,

828
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: Like really, because I've never worked anywhere where they were like, hey,

829
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: don't worry about your audience size, just do you.

830
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,319
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850
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852
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: that's an NBA athlete. Is he going to score a lot?

853
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought the Spurs did pretty well.

854
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Know what I do think, And I've talked about this

855
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: a lot, and I want your reaction. I've been on

856
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: this now for about two months. There was about a

857
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: twenty year period, so you and I grew up with

858
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: the Big East, and if you are a great player

859
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: in the Big East, Pearl Washington sort of an exception,

860
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: or if you're a great team, you were going to

861
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: be an NBA player. Ewing was going to be great

862
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: in the NBA just the way it was. There was

863
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: about a twenty year run in college basketball when the

864
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: G League happened. Guys went to Europe, played one year

865
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: of college where like Doug McDermott was the college player

866
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: of the year, Tyler Hansborough was you go to the

867
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: pros and they were rotational guys. And then two years

868
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: ago I watched Yukon and I went, oh, shit, there's

869
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: seven NBA players. They have NBA length, They are great.

870
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: These are great players. And I thought, oh, that team

871
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: could play with you and LV and Duke. That is

872
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: a real team. And the reason it happened was guys

873
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: are staying maybe a year longer with an IL. Now

874
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: American universities are poaching European players. I honestly feel like

875
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: the last two years when I've watched college, we had

876
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: a twenty year period we were trying to pretend the

877
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: sport was good. And Jay Billi said this the other day.

878
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: NBA guys don't misopen shots, like it's just the seven

879
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: foot guy shoots better than the six to two guy

880
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: in college. And I do feel like the NIL for

881
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: all the bitching about it. Rick Bettino said this here day,

882
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of made the G League irrelevant. Shit. I

883
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: watched the playoffs Indiana, Oklahoma City. You know G League guys,

884
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: I mean a men. Thompson's one of the only G

885
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: League unite guys. It's like the second two year college guys,

886
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: three year college guys. Chet Holmgrun one year probably should

887
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: have stayed a second because his offensive games hit and miss.

888
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: But I do feel like the last two years I've

889
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 1: watched college and I think this will help the draft

890
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: Ryan because it won't all be Euros. It'll even the

891
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: Euros are coming and playing now at Texas, They're coming

892
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: to play at Connecticut. I feel like college basketball was

893
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: kind of unwatchable for twenty years and people kept saying, oh,

894
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: it's great. It wasn't it was diluted, it was bad.

895
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: In the last two years, I've been glued to March

896
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: Madness and it's just more NBA dudes.

897
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: College basketball is in a weird spot because, you know,

898
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: growing up, I probably would rather watch Big Monday than NBA.

899
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: You know, back when it was the Big East, and

900
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: then you know it was in the PA Ten teams

901
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: that were loaded with NBA players, you know, going back

902
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 2: to those UCLA squads, remember Washington State loving that team

903
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: that year. Robbie cal Gill, Well, I guess you want

904
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: to talk about the NBA guys, So shout out to Robbie.

905
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm with you because I think I even

906
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: remember like you and gottlieb arguing it a bit about

907
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: it being like, hey, look, college basketball is largely irrelevant

908
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: up until we get to March, and with everything feeling

909
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: like it has to be an event, which I think

910
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: Silver's doing with the NBA, it's like, hey, we've got

911
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: the Ncason Tournament. We've got to plan like we have

912
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: more almost like specialty events that we can partner in

913
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: different ways, like we're kind of just titling some of

914
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: the same stuff. But you know, if this means more revenue,

915
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: then that's the game. And even though like I've talked

916
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: about baseball with this being like, hey, be really happy

917
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: or this incredibly successful local market thing, and that your

918
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: playoffs are an incredible product and you just hope that

919
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: you have enough storylines to carry over that secondary interest.

920
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 2: The tournament doesn't necessarily need all these crazy storylines because

921
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: the event itself is still one of the greatest sporting events.

922
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: In the world.

923
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: But your right to point out like whether it was ignite,

924
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, with Scoop they had Dyson, they had Hardy

925
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 2: Jalen Green cominga and then you had the amen usar

926
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: Thompson deal with overtime. I think yeah, it felt it

927
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: was starting to feel like, okay, this is like even

928
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: more tenuous for a product that was already really struggling

929
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: with its regular season in college basketball. So I think

930
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: the tournament has always been something everybody's always going to

931
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: care about because it's basically like a football version of

932
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: gambling in a different sport where it's just so much

933
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: fun and you almost feel left out of American society

934
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: if you're not in the tournament. I don't know that

935
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: they're ever going to recover any of that stuff from

936
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: the regular season. But the draft trends of what was

937
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: happening with guys circumventing college because of the compensation going

938
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: to New Zealand, you know, playing in the Australian League

939
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: and they coming here like it hurt the draraft wise

940
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: for you to have eight what college guys before s

941
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: s and Gay uh well s and Gay went eleventh,

942
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: so well no, Colin went well you went eleventh, yeah yeah,

943
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: and the other guy went ninth to Toronto and even

944
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: Jae or Demon, you know he comes from Russia, but

945
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: he's at BYU because of the NIL stuff, whatever it was.

946
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't know all of a sudden

947
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: if everybody's gonna be prioritizing regular season college basketball over

948
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: the NBA. But there was something that was incredibly fearful,

949
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: as these other alternatives that the NIL has helped college

950
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: basketball solve in the short term.

951
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I just I watched the draft last night,

952
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: and I watched the yukon a couple of years ago,

953
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: and I watched March Madness, and I'm like, oh, cay,

954
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm back into the sport. Like and I've always been

955
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: sort of loyal to the number. Like I stopped talking

956
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: college football for about ten years because it was Alabama

957
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: Clemson in Georgia and I felt like nobody Denver West

958
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: gives a you know what. And I remember when the

959
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: PAC twelve sort of when USC decided we're going in UCLA.

960
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: I got a call. I was in Turks and Kkos

961
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: with my family and Eric Shanks called me and said,

962
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: just want to give you a heads up. This is

963
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: going to be announced in about three hours. I was

964
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: in an airport and I couldn't tell anybody, but I

965
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: started doing some social and having our staff get ready

966
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: for it, and I remember thinking, oh, I can talk

967
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: college I can talk college football again, you know, like, oh,

968
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: USC is going to a conference. And then and then

969
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk even then about Washington

970
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: Oregon getting in. I'm like, Okay, that's a real conference

971
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: that they'll be able to compete. They'll get some Midwest kids,

972
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: they'll get Big ten money, they'll be more fortified because

973
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve was paying at thirty million a year.

974
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: Big Ten's Pania seventy. USC was complaining to me, it's like,

975
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: we can't compete with anybody. We have the money. And

976
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: so like I feel like, you know, I just follow

977
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: what the audience is following. And I would see those

978
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: numbers for Alabama couldn't sell out some home games. I

979
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: would see some of those numbers, and it was like

980
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: people were getting tired of it. I was getting tired

981
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: of it. So Alabama, though, I don't know, I'm gonna push.

982
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 2: Back on that. Alabama was an incredibly spoilt fan base,

983
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: to the point where SABAN had a beg fans for

984
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: day games to come in on some of those lower

985
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: level matchups because they just suspected a national championship every time.

986
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the only campus that I'd ever been

987
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: to when I used to travel a college game day

988
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: because it did the radio part of it along with

989
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: TV where it was the only it was the only campus.

990
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, game days here again, like whatever,

991
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna sleep in. You know,

992
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: every other place it's like a not even a national

993
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: holiday because you know it might not ever be coming back.

994
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: So as you say that, though, like, let's be honest,

995
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: would you have avoided talking college football based on some

996
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: numbers if you were still at ESPN because I sensed

997
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: an SEC mid ten shift there, buddy when you started,

998
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: when you started, U we get somewhere else.

999
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: No, well, no I would. I would say this is

1000
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: that Klatt is a big notice and so yeah, so

1001
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm I was always I said this for years. SEC

1002
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: is the best. They went on recruiting day, they went

1003
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 1: on draft Day, they went on Saturday. That's the best.

1004
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it, but I did notice

1005
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: about four years ago and when the NIL started. And

1006
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money in those big ten schools.

1007
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: Those are sixty thousand student body, a lot of those

1008
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: graduates do very well. I started noticing like four years ago.

1009
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, people are poaching Georgia and Bama and

1010
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 1: they don't like I think Nick Saban realized, like before

1011
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: Texas came in, it's like, oh shit, Texas is bigger

1012
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: than Alabama. Texas looked better than Alabama. So about four

1013
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: years ago I started saying, and then it was it

1014
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: was the hardball team before they won. I'm like, yeah,

1015
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: I think that's they're as good as Georgia. Like I'm

1016
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: watching the Saturday and I'm like, they got like ten

1017
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: NFL guys, you know, all over the field. Georgia maybe

1018
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: has twelve. So I do think about four years ago,

1019
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I just watched the games and it's like, you know,

1020
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: when I first started watching Caitlyn Clark, I was just like, well, shit,

1021
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: she's shooting from thirty three feet. That doesn't even make it.

1022
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the line's twenty two. So I tend to

1023
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: trust my eyes. And when the Big Ten, when Harbaugh's

1024
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: team the year before they won, I was like, oh

1025
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: they caught up. At least the top of the Big

1026
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: ten's as good as the top as the SEC.

1027
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard this. I actually think people are like

1028
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: more unfair and how they critique the SEC than it

1029
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: is about being pro SEC because I just see a

1030
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 2: lot of media members that all have big ten backgrounds

1031
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: that have been like incredibly celebratory about what's happened in

1032
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. Now I've heard the nil theory.

1033
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: I think Saban would have figured it out if he

1034
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: was motivated to figure it out. But he may have

1035
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: been right. He's been there since two thousand and nine

1036
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: or no, two thousand and seven, excuse me, two thousand

1037
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: and seven, that first year where they lost to Louisiana Monroe.

1038
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: So now I'm trying to remember if I have that

1039
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: year right. I feel like I feel like I'm messing

1040
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: up the year because I would have been on college

1041
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: game day for Tumberville Iron Bowl they got smoked. I

1042
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: think that would have been two thousand and eight. So anyway,

1043
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: I gotta look that up. I need I need more results,

1044
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: I need more parody, I need more balance because you know,

1045
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: the people that didn't like the SEC still didn't like

1046
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: the SEC when they had seven different national or excuse me,

1047
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: seven national championships in a row. You could run through

1048
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: four or five programs you're like, Okay, they could win

1049
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: a national championship. They're playing for a national championship. It

1050
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 2: didn't feel like the other conferences could be that deep.

1051
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: Certainly the Big Ten is in the conversation now, especially

1052
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: when you add a team like Oregon. You could say, hey,

1053
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: you're also adding Washington, who plays in a national championship

1054
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: two years ago, so that puts them on the probable list,

1055
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: even if that is probably more of an aberration for

1056
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: that program and just having an incredible year where everything

1057
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: kind of came together. So you might be entirely right

1058
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: about the balance of it flattening out the top here

1059
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: a little bit. But I guess for the people that

1060
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: I know hated the SEC so much, they were still

1061
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: arguing against the conference when they were winning all these titles.

1062
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: And so now if the standard is that, yeah, I

1063
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: wasn't one standards that the Big was won back to

1064
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: back with two different teams the first time in eighty years,

1065
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: then the thing that you said didn't even matter when

1066
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: they were winning is now the thing that matters the most,

1067
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: because you could also you could also just say, hey,

1068
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: the SEC had an awful quarterback year, So maybe there

1069
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: is this shift a shift that's long overdue. You know,

1070
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: sports are cyclical. Maybe the Big Ten's about to have

1071
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 2: this incredible run. But it's very hard for me to

1072
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: say that because of the National Championship results. And look,

1073
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: Tennessee looked just fucking frigid against Ohio State, that looked

1074
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: like a football team that was not interested in competing,

1075
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: and they get trucked in that game. I just have

1076
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: a hard time on like the people that do this

1077
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: for a living, that are on the evaluated side, They're like,

1078
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: that's still the best conference, Like are you, like, what's

1079
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: what's going on?

1080
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: I think the sixth best team I think I think

1081
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: I will say this year, I think about the sixth

1082
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: best team in the Big Ten will be Washington and

1083
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: I think the sixth best team in the SEC could

1084
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: be Oklahoma. And so that to me is where about

1085
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: I think about where we're at. I think I think

1086
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: they're both and if they played, it's a go either

1087
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: way game. Whoever is at home wins because I think

1088
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: Penn State's gonna win it. I have I picked. I

1089
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: remember when Ohio State lost to Michigan, I said, my

1090
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: favorite part about college football is Ohio State's going to

1091
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: lose as a twenty point favorite in their last big game,

1092
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: and they're going to get into the tournament. And by

1093
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: the way, Kansas City the year they won the Super

1094
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: Bowl two years ago got beat by Oakland in like

1095
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: weeks sixteen or Las Vegas, and I'm like, yeah, they

1096
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: should be in the playoffs. I don't care, just like

1097
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: putting the best teams in. I got Penn State win again.

1098
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: Singleton's amazing, Drew Aller's getting better. I think they're the

1099
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: best backfield by mile in college sports.

1100
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: Just to clean it up, it was two thousand and

1101
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: eight Iron Bowl, Tubberville did get smoked and that was

1102
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: his last season, So that's I remember just being down

1103
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: there for that. But Saban had already been there obviously

1104
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: the previous year when he had the bad record and

1105
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: people were like, is this guy really going to be

1106
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: that good?

1107
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: He's really good on TV.

1108
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, I think he you know, I

1109
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: think he wants to He takes it really seriously. Yes, yeah,

1110
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: like he's he's you know, I know a couple of

1111
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: guys that are really close with him, that are with

1112
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: them all the time when they're on the road, and

1113
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: he is like adamant about making sure the stuff that

1114
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: he's talking about, like he's he's not just out there

1115
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: like he cares. He actually cares, like what are we

1116
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: doing similarly doing it? Which actually makes the most sense ever,

1117
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: if you know anything about the guy where I remember

1118
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: this story because I've been down there a bunch of

1119
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: different times and I really loved I just have so

1120
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 2: much respect for Saban. I've loved interviewing him. I always

1121
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: hate it any Belichick comp because I was like, Belichick

1122
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: is not interesting, Like he goes out of his way

1123
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: to not be interesting, and that's like the game he's playing,

1124
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: and Saban is really thoughtful, and for whatever reason, people

1125
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: try to like lump them in because they were both

1126
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: successful and have kind of this timpon they're not the

1127
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: same guy, And like, I think the world of Saban,

1128
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: and it seems like whatever he's going to do, he

1129
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 2: wants to make sure like, Okay, what's what's the best

1130
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: possible way for us to go ahead and do it,

1131
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: which is exactly the way he runs a football program.

1132
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's when I Urban Meyer is a friend

1133
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: of mine and like Urban watches film, Did I ever

1134
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: tell you my Urban? And that's when Urban comes on

1135
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: the show mine like he I will talk to him

1136
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: before the break. I'm like, have you wat he will

1137
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: have watched film. I never forget years ago when LSU

1138
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: played Ohio State. Jim Trussell was the coach, and I

1139
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: saw urban I can I can tell this story now.

1140
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: I saw urban in. I think he was at Florida

1141
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: or was leaving or I forget what it was, but

1142
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: I think he was at Florida at the time, again.

1143
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: Because they had just won was he the national championship

1144
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: the year before?

1145
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: Yep, and they were LSU was playing Ohio State and

1146
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: I caught him in the hallway. He went on for

1147
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: about eight minutes. He literally described the game. He said,

1148
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: Ohio State will move the ball early. Mo Clorette had

1149
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: a big run early, I think for a touchdown. He said. Ultimately,

1150
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: LSU's got about twice as many good receivers, twice as

1151
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: many good running backs. They'll wear them down, they'll pull

1152
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: away in the second half, and they'll win by like fourteen.

1153
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: And he went like for eight to ten minutes. He literally,

1154
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean he'd watched film for both teams. He literally

1155
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: he recited the game. So I took that and went

1156
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: on the game and talked about the game basically using

1157
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: all of his stuff and say, hey, listen, I just

1158
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: talked to somebody I trust, blah blah blah. It made

1159
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: me sound so smart. But he I liked these ex

1160
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: coaches because a lot of times, I mean, Saba will

1161
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: watch film before that Saturday show. Urban will go and

1162
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: watch film and break it down like a coach, and

1163
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: it's and they're so freed, right, there's no pressure. They're

1164
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: watching film now without an agenda not to protect anything.

1165
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: And I think both those guys provide something that film

1166
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: knowledge that's really valuable to me as a consumer.

1167
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so LSU wanted, you know seven when they had

1168
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: the second loss. Remember that was the year in two

1169
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: thousand and seven where UCF Boston College or ranked number

1170
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: two West Virginia if they'd beaten Pitt. It's still one

1171
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: of my favorite college football years ever, because whenever you

1172
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: go through any like the research backets for an upcoming weekend,

1173
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: it'll be like, this is the last time. The last

1174
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: time this happened was in two thousand and seven, because

1175
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: like two thousand and seven was a free fra aull

1176
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: And even though LSU had that second loss, they're like, look,

1177
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: we're just going to vote this team back in. I

1178
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: remember Trussell after the fact saying that was a game.

1179
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: When we were preparing for it, we knew we had

1180
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: no chance. And then they lose to Ohio State. Excuse me,

1181
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: Ohasate loses the floor to the next year. And that

1182
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: was the thing, Like, this is the Big ten argument.

1183
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: This is the pro Big ten argument that for years

1184
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: we were conditioned, like remember the Alabama Michigan State games

1185
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: where you were just go jesus.

1186
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: Oh, thirty four nothing or thirty five seven.

1187
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: Isn't happening as much anymore, Okay, And that's not just

1188
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: about the Michigan and Ohio State national championships, and I

1189
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: think they're kind of like further, the point is that

1190
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: we may be on the cusp of this thing that

1191
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: like is real. It's just so hard for me to

1192
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: think that, like there's going to be another region.

1193
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: You know why though, So here's my take on this.

1194
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: Alabama's doing car washes and bake sales, and Ohio State's

1195
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: not big ten schools. Most SEC schools are smaller schools.

1196
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: I think Auburn's like is it sixteen eighteen thousand? Wisconstant?

1197
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State missions.

1198
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: Are like small cities, man, I mean it's nuts.

1199
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: And they all those graduates go all across the America

1200
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: and they go to New York in LA and they

1201
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: make a bunch of money and they give it back.

1202
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: It's much easier for these big ten schools. I mean,

1203
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: USC is now spending twenty million dollars innil. They're twenty

1204
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: twenty six class. They just went and bought this insane class.

1205
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: And that's just because of NIL. That's not because they

1206
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: suddenly figured out how to recruit. They've got money. And

1207
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: so now the big ten's got Seattle, Los Angeles, Columbus.

1208
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: You know these are massive. I mean, Penn State's got

1209
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and New York graduates everywhere. SCC is a lot

1210
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: of small towns, and I just don't think the NIL money.

1211
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think they have the NIL money.

1212
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: In most instance, I think Georgia does, but I don't

1213
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: think a lot of teams do. George is also closest

1214
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: to the biggest city in the South, Atlanta. Well there's

1215
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: more money, more attorneys, more doctors, more you know, venture

1216
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: capitalists in Atlanta in the South, and they're Georgia.

1217
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: I do think sometimes too, You'll have you know, it's

1218
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: a very human nature thing, but you become motivated by

1219
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: something that you don't think you can get as opposed

1220
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: to expecting it, right. I mean, it's the King of

1221
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: the Mountain analogy here, where you know, as Georgia is

1222
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: motivated to spend when they put together these these runs,

1223
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 2: like what if Alabama's not in the playoff for ten years?

1224
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: What do you think, like what do you think that

1225
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: nil is going to be like? Or whatever? You know,

1226
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: like Ohio State after losing to Michigan before the season,

1227
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: and it's still This is one of the things I

1228
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: think with college football that even though people love the expansion,

1229
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: I don't. It's more of a reflection of how much

1230
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 2: I hate the realignment. I've already done these rants far

1231
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: too many times. But I'm watching your network and it's

1232
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: Ohio State Michigan and the broadcast is like this is

1233
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: for everything, and It's like, yeah, except it isn't because

1234
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: Ohio State's going to lose this and then win a

1235
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: national championship. And I will forever miss that that is

1236
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: not on the line. But yes, it doesn't ruin my

1237
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: enjoyment of this incredible rivalry and what was like an ugly, awesome,

1238
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: just a brutal game, and you know, the emotions that

1239
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: game are just like they're on the TV screen. It's

1240
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 2: it's a fucking awesome product. But when I think about

1241
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: you know how State this past offseason and grabbing Caleb

1242
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: Downs as soon as savings out of there, going to

1243
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: get Will Howard, which you know at the time, remember

1244
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: like the summer, it was a bit of an argument

1245
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: like hey, well if he was that special, like why

1246
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: is this guy leaving k State and all these things,

1247
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: and it just works and we knew that it was

1248
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: supposedly this twenty million dollar program. Is this about Ohio

1249
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: States should always be able to fund all this stuff?

1250
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: If you name the top blue blood programs, the places

1251
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: where it matters the most. I don't know that this

1252
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: is ever going to be an issue, but there is

1253
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 2: something about that void. There is something about feeling like

1254
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: this is bullshit that motivates you in a way that's

1255
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: that's just hard to replicate when you're used to all

1256
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 2: the success. So I think that's what will probably happen

1257
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: amongst the top schools. It's just a matter of like

1258
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 2: how many of these top programs do you think we'll

1259
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: have access to maybe a spending spree. And look, apparently

1260
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: now we have a cap at twenty million for an

1261
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: entire academic department. Yeah, good luck figuring that one out.

1262
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: Good luck being the tennis coach. You know, like, hey,

1263
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: she really like this kid from Choke. You're like, yeah,

1264
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: well we our guy needs a six defensive back. So

1265
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1266
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that thing a bit of a circus. Yeah, well

1267
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: I told you it was only gonna take thirty minutes,

1268
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: but that's not We can't talk for thirty This fucking

1269
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: thing's already gone an hour.

1270
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: Sorry. I didn't mean to do that.

1271
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: I really didn't.

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Speaker 2: I want to.

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Speaker 1: I know you're busy. I know you got to do

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Speaker 1: like sixteen local hits in spoken it's available.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are the Sonics coming back? So well no, man,

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Speaker 2: I just love love talking to you, know how I

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Speaker 2: feel about you. So whatever you need, same here, all right, buddy,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it