WEBVTT - Ep14 Hert 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.440 All right, welcome back to Car Stories. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.240 With Sun King and Amelia Hartford, and. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.879 Today we are talking with His name is Hurt. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:14.840 I asked about his last name. He said, I go 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:15.480 by just Hurt. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.400 He's a good friend of ours and we get to 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.520 talk about his history, his love for drifting, and his 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.360 association with Hunigan and all things FC. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.479 Yeah, and recently being a host on the new Hot 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.800 Wheels NBC show. It's been so cool to see his 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:35.600 career flourish, just someone who's really passionate about cars in 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.960 the motorsports world, and to see where he is today. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:39.960 I think it's a really cool and inspiring story that 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:40.880 people are about to hear. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:45.280 So without further ado, the man, the myth, the legend, Hurt, 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.800 I'm so happy to see your career and everything. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:52.879 You're just killing it. Dad. 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.200 I could say the exact same about you. It's crazy 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:01.320 how far we've come, Yeah, in this space, just basically 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:02.160 doing what we love, you know. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.720 Yeah, we're just a couple of kids who liked tinkering 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:05.479 and driving cars. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.360 Yeah, drifting is a is a very interesting thing because 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.080 when I started doing this in two thousand and seven 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.160 or whatever, I mean, there was no Instagram, yeah, you 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.200 might have still been using MySpace. Like social media wasn't 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.679 even Facebook at the very least Facebook. But social media 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.000 wasn't even on the scope. You know, we were doing 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:31.080 things because we love them. I never imagined what the 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.960 space would turn into with the amount of reach you 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.360 can gain from just doing what you love and any 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.240 any aspect, not just drifting. You could be a cook, 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.959 you could you could be a car detailer or whatever. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.720 There's like the ability to make a career because of 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.240 the tools like social media is actually insane. 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.240 And also be able to share that like freedom of 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:52.560 expression too. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.160 Yeah, everyone has a voice. Yeah, it's good. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.080 So you said you started in two thousand and seven. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:58.880 Where'd you start in Florida? You're from Florida? 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.320 Yeah, so, born and raised Orlando, Florida. I mean I 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.240 started immediately once I got my first car when I 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.040 was sixteen. It was a two thousand and four Honda Accord. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.720 Shout out to my mom. She she got it for 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.320 me as a as a gift, still in high school. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.760 And I immediately ruined that car. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.040 Trying to drift the front wheel drive. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.359 Well, just you know, I went to home depot, got 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.600 some dryer ducting, made an intake, you know, had no 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.000 idea about how maths work or anything like that, so 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.880 the idle air was all messed up and just you know, 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.680 fart can all the good stuff, you know. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.560 Yeah, but it just like a crappy exhaust. 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:35.079 Yeah. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:39.480 Yeah, well it's a four cylinder automatic Honda Accord with 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.880 an exhaust, so it just sounds like it's farting, you know, 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:44.120 everywhere you go. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.839 But you can't drift that car because so you weren't 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:47.400 drifting down. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.919 I didn't even drifting wasn't even on the scope. Drifting 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.160 is an interesting thing because like, obviously I had seen 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.679 Initial d Obviously I'd played like Need for Speed Underground too, 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.079 and I loved drifting in those games, but it never 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.720 occurred to me that that was something you can do 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.520 in real life, you know. So it's funny how it 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.519 all came together, because because I loved playing those games, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.200 but it wasn't like, oh, I'm going to do this 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:10.800 in real life. 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.040 That wasn't in my in my thought process. I just 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.040 loved playing the game. 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.440 You know, what was your first experience seeing drifting then, 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.400 because that had to have been kind of like a 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:20.560 very memorable moment. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.400 Yeah, So I mean, I can tell you my my 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:25.320 my true experience. 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:25.560 Right. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.320 So I had that Civic hatchback, I got rear ended, 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.480 I got the insurance insurance check. And the day that 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:34.000 I got the insurance check, my friend was taking me 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.120 home from work and there's a used car dealership that 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.800 was also a rotary shop and they had a white 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.320 FCR seven parked out front for sale hot and so 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.800 I was like, I'm that's the car, you know. So 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.120 I had the insurance check, cashed it, went and bought that. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:56.440 You what that was at the time, right, it's an 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:57.280 initial Yeah? 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.360 Yeah, So that's that's another interesting thing, right is is 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.840 I watched you know, initial D I played games, but again, 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.440 I just didn't really correlate real life with you know, 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.240 these shows and these things, right. I mean when I 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.680 watched Fast and the Furious one, there was an FDR seven, 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.520 but I didn't put it together that that was an 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.720 FDR seven, Like that was right, you know, it was 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.160 just such a like it was so separated, so so 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.760 so detached right for me, and it started to become 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.760 more real. I I get this R seven and I 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.560 go to an R seven meet in Florida, in Florida. Yeah, 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.680 So this is all Orlando, Florida. I go to a 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.280 Dino day. I meet a new friend, Chris. He has 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.000 an R seven. I don't know car stuff. You go 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.000 to card meets, you talk to people, you make friends. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.840 It's the beautiful thing about this culture that we're we're in. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.320 And he invites me to their secret spot. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.240 You know, yeah, it's it's yeah. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.600 He invites me to secret spot where him and his 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.280 friends go to drift. And it was it was a 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.080 construction site for like a Pepsi building or something like that, 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.120 and it was a really sandy lot on top of concrete, 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.240 like so it's really easy to slide, you know, good 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.080 on tires. You can go all day secluded. And so 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.680 they take me to this spot. They set a cone 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.000 up and they're like, you need to be able to 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.800 do donuts around this if you want to drive with us. 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:29.840 If you want to drive with us, you got to 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.000 learn how to do the basis. No, I love it. 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.320 That's like the first thing you got to learn. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:34.560 This is how I remember it. 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.080 There could be you know, variances and things like that, 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.840 but this is how I remember this story. And it 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.680 just like it gives me chills every time I think 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.680 about it because like there's a very defining moment in 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:51.039 my life, honestly. So, you know, I do the donuts 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.960 and then time goes on and these guys just take. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.280 Me under their wing and teach me everything. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:55.520 Right. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.440 They taught me how to clutch kick on Rocket Boulevard, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.320 which was another spot that we used to go to, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.320 which was just a perfect sweeper and you could just 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:04.400 run it back and forth. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.560 Can you describe what a clutch kick is for the listeners. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.640 Yeah, So they taught me how to clutch kick. And 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.280 a clutch kick is where is a way to initiate 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.560 and drifting. So as you're running towards the apex, you 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.920 push the clutch in, rev it up, and then pop 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.080 the clutch and so it's just like a quick clutch 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.239 kick and that'll get the car sideways and initiate your drift. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.480 So they taught me how to do that. They taught 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.760 me how to do a lot of things, and they 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.159 made drifting real for me. You know, they helped me 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.599 understand like, oh, it's not just in video games, this 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.800 is actually real life. And then that got me in 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.440 closer with and Jukie racing as well. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.560 They've built drift cards. They've competed in Formula. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.960 D for a long time, like an O company. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:51.279 They're super O G Yeah. 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:55.240 And that's when I got to see professional drifting. So 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.480 going to like NOBE Nationals and seeing you know, people 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:05.040 like Gyamanaka and Justin Pollock, like completely different spectrums of 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.679 drift culture, but you know, all in the same place 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.120 on the highest level at the time. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.600 Yeah, You're You're there really at like the peak of 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.080 drifting motorsports, really when it was coming together in the US, right. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.560 I feel like I feel like I was a couple 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:20.920 of years off, but I was there. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:21.240 Yeah. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.640 Sure, Like I wasn't there for D one versus USA, 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.480 which was like three oh four and that stuff. But 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:32.440 I feel like I definitely got to witness the early 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.160 days of American professional drifting, and that's why I like, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.960 I mean, you can you can clearly see that my 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:43.360 cars have inspiration from Japanese style drifting, and they do. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.080 But I still feel very. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.240 Much a product of American drifting from you know, obviously 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.240 out of V eight and my R seven, you know, 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.400 the R seven that I talked about, learned how to 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.400 drift in all that stuff. I ended up smashing that 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:00.160 car into pieces and you know, time goes on on. 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.680 I did a lot in life, you know, like I 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.120 lost my license for a little bit. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:08.000 I had to really oh yeah, just just. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.520 Doing stupid stuff. I don't recommend anyone. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.800 Losing their license and different time. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.080 Yeah, I mean, it wasn't even for street drifting. It 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.240 was just like stupid speeding tickets here and there, like 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.240 speed traps and points. There's a point system in Florida 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:23.840 and you get X amount of points, they just take 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:24.200 your lives. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:25.800 I had that in Indiana. I got pretty close. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.160 Yeah, so I lost my license for a couple months, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:29.560 and that was probably one of the hardest couple of 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.400 months that you know, I ever had. And and that's 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.280 when I got in with in JUGI Racing. They weren't hiring. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:36.680 I was like, I'm going to come and sweep some 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.240 floors and swept floors, worked my way into sales and 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.559 ended up being a big part of their sales force 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:49.080 as they reinvent themselves after the recession back then. And 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.600 and then I got my RX seven from my friend Zach. 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.120 So my friend Zach had this Vight R seven look 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.400 bone stock, massive Vight with nitrous. 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:59.240 You bought it with the V eight. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.120 So I bought it with a blown up y okay, yeah, 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.240 So he had that car forever and I always joked 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.640 about buying it. He blew it up, bought a z 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.880 E six, parked it under a tree. I had a 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.160 Crown Vic. I just smashed the diff in it doing 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.040 and I posted it up for sale and he's like, 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:18.800 I want that car, and I was like, well, I 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:23.000 want R seven and the Crown Vic was really nice. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:24.720 I just had a did you guys do a trade 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:25.079 out right? 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:25.520 We did. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.640 I don't know what the prices were back then, but 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:29.839 today that wouldn't make sense. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.240 Well, no one wanted RX sevens. There's a there's a 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.240 time where RX sevens you could. No one really didn't 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.240 mess with the rotaries a lot. I mean, obviously people 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.160 mess with the rotaries, but the common car guy didn't 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.360 want to deal with the rotary engine. So RX sevens 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.400 just weren't sought after vehicle. 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.439 It's interesting because today like they're very I feel like 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:52.000 sought after. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:52.440 Yeah. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.679 I mean, this was the FC though it was at 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:55.040 the FT. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.600 Hey C is way better than that loud. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:04.120 The FC is still in the affordable like, yeah, yeah, 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.960 you could buy a nice FC bill for a decent price, 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.400 whereas f d's are like minimum forty grand for a 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.520 nice car. So that's why that R seven you bought, 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.720 the FC was swapped with the VA to get more horsepower. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.200 Yeah, so he was a drag racer. He was a 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:21.040 big VA guy. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.719 So he swapped that car and ended up blowing it up, 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.360 parking it under a tree. We ended up doing the trade, 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.360 and then I went to l k Q just the 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:35.000 junkyard bought a five point three Leader l S, which 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.360 is an iron block version of the five to seven 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.000 LS l S one. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:40.920 I never knew that LS and that was a five 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:41.640 to three. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.960 Yeah, yeah, so the first one. Yeah, the Torque Stallion 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:46.600 my f C R seven. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:47.360 Yeah. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.160 The name, yeah, that's just a silly name. We came 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.360 up with because cars just they're better with names, and 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.080 I don't know, it just makes it fun. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:02.480 Tor Stallion Stallion, Yeah, where'd that? 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.920 Because I would do ridiculous burnouts and the back would 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.240 just shake, So we just called it the tourk style. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.160 Nic Song is also really good at naming cars. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:14.440 I thought you were going to say he's really good 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.920 at working, but to see it too too. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.839 Once the cameras awful, I get you know, get a show. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.520 Yeah, it was a fun project and the V eight 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.600 was great, and a lot of people hated it. You know, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.720 I'm a product of American drifting right because I put 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.679 a V eight in a Japanese car. But I also 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:41.920 had b in sports big wing slammed on vskfs, so 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:46.280 very j style externally, but it had a cammed out 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:47.360 V eight on the inside. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.120 I still want to own those wheels, even though I 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.600 know they're like people say they're played out. I love 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.280 those wheels so much. I want to set for my 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:53.840 two forty. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.720 Whoever says they played out has no idea. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:56.040 What it? 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:58.600 What is this? 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.640 What do you mean by American drifting? 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.880 American drifting is just very different from Japanese drifting, the 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.880 style of the types of motors they used, the just 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.880 just the overall aspect, I mean, and things are changing now, 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:18.240 but back then it was very Japanese drifting. Style is paramount, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.920 and obviously it's subjective. You know, someone might think this 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.880 is cooler than that or whatever, but style is subjective. 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.520 Turbo motors four cylinder, six cylinder, you know, SRS two 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.920 j's one J is all that's what Japanese drifting was 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.480 and low cars, bright wheels or big wheels, and then 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.800 American drifting was. It was a mix to begin with, 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:44.040 but it turned into V eight VA VI eight and 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:50.040 styling function function over form, not that form doesn't function. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.920 That's another conversation, and again it's subjective, but people really 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:59.240 thought externally Japanese cars looked way better than the American 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.079 drift cars. So there was just always a battle of 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.800 Japan is better, America is better. And so me coming 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:11.640 from watching Nope Nationals and the early days of Formula drift, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:17.640 seeing Tanner Faust bomb the Hill of Roade, Atlanta and 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.240 a si On TC with a Nascar VI eight and 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.680 that vight is just punching you in the chest from 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.960 hundreds of feet away, like that is American drifting, you know. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:28.480 And so I loved Vates. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.520 I love the idea of vights, I love the sound 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.280 of Vates, and so I was very happy to take 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.480 a Vight and put it in Marx seven. And I 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.400 didn't know that I was causing a stir when I 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.040 did it, you know, because it was just normal for me. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.680 But as I got deeper and learned more about the 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.720 culture and the Internet started to. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.400 Go sales before you can get real internet, right. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.760 And the Internet started to grow. Then it was like, oh, 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.600 people don't like this, and then I just fed into it. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.120 You know, I'm just like, well, this is you know, 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.439 this is my car. I'm going to do what I 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.600 want to do with my car, and I think everyone 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:03.360 should kind of. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.199 Live by that. So so I just trolled the trolls 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.080 and uh, that was a good time. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.280 So if I can ask, because I'm so curious about 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.920 the progression of your career and how you are where 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.800 you are today, obviously the next thing to talk about 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.880 would be your involvement with Hoonigan, Right, So how did 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.400 you go from I guess how did I'm sure people 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.480 are curious on how you got that opportunity and you 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.920 were a big personality with the Houdigen brand. When I 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.040 looked at Hoonigan, you know, I thought I thought hurt. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.520 Yeah, I mean I hear that a lot and I 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.960 appreciate that obviously, the late great. 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.000 Kim Block, right, may he rest in peace. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.960 Yeah, he's forever a legend and he did he did 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.560 a lot for Honigan as a brand. It just depends 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.040 on when you started watching hoon again. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.240 Right, the day to day blogs versus Jim Conna Right series. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.800 So basically I was friends with Drift Alliance, so Von 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:14.440 Getting Junior, Ryan Turk, Tony Angelo, Chris Forsburg, that whole 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.760 group of East Coast English Town drifters and I used 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.560 to go up there a lot, East Coast Bash, shout 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.520 out club loose. So the phase that I told you 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.280 about when I lost my license, I picked up a 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.680 camera and started filming drifting because I still wanted to 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.480 be involved in the community even though I didn't have 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.800 a car or anything anymore. Had to take a break 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.040 from that to get, you know, get myself together. But 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.440 so I picked up a camera and I started making 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:42.040 videos so i'd film them on you know, bash days, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.600 film the drifting, put some music to it and make 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:45.080 it fun. 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:45.760 You know. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.880 I wish I believed in blogging a lot sooner, because 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.160 I didn't believe in it in the early days. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.240 And that's something I'm like, man, imagine. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.120 But because of you know, the videos I used to 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.920 make with my friends, basically the stars a ligne to 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.960 where you know, I met Brian Scotto, the co founder 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.880 of Honigan Industries. He also was one of the brilliant 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:13.880 minds behind Zero to sixty magazine and has directed a 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:16.600 majority of the Gym Conn. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.800 Of films and best friends with Ken. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.320 And yeah, amazing friends with Kim Block. He's just a 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.600 creative juggernaut. You know, he has a vision and he 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.160 has a way of laying out those visions like like 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.520 I've never seen before. So Brian Scotto, I met him 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.960 at Chris Forstburg's party after he won the championship. I 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.920 don't remember meeting him that night. I don't know if 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.880 we remember meeting each other that night, but there's a 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:47.280 photo of us eating tacos, really like a really bad 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.640 photo of us eating tacos at this party, and I 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.440 think we became Facebook friends because of that, right, And 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.360 you know, time goes on, the relationship grows. I'm doing 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.640 my thing in Mark seven. I'm doing driveway burnouts at 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.120 my house and just you know, just having fun in 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:07.240 my car, and Hoonigan is starting to become a thing. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.280 So funny story. I'm a back up a little bit. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:14.960 My name's Hertretch Hoonigan is Hoonigan eight letters. Hoonigan's launch 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.200 date it was November first, that's my birthday. Just weird, Yeah, 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.200 just weird, you know, weird energy that just comes together. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.520 And we had a great time that year the launch party, 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.000 and I think I just really built a good relationship 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.080 with those guys on top of what I do on 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.639 the media side, right because I liked my videos to 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.639 be different from everyone else at the time, because everything 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.840 felt the same, so I wanted to bring some rawness 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.800 to it. And obviously Hoonigan was a pretty raw brand, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.240 so they had a role that needed to be filled. 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:51.399 And thankfully I was just in the right place and 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.480 the right time, doing the right stuff. And after that 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.879 Seema party, Ken Raise grc his car caught on fire. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.360 They got video of it all, and then he hit 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.080 me up and he's like, hey, you want to edit 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:04.560 this video? 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.520 And was I qualified to edit a video of that caliber? 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.119 No, I don't know. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:11.720 If a lot of people know that you used to 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:13.040 edit a lot of the videos. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:14.960 Yeah, a lot of people don't know that I was 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:16.880 camera and edit. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.240 And personality and helped with creative. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:20.920 I mean there's people. 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:22.800 I think there's people that work there now that don't 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.880 even know that I have that I did that, you know. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:27.560 Not to take away from everyone else who's there on 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:27.880 the team. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:28.040 Too. 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:28.879 No, not at all. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.040 Well, but I mean, you know, I just had a 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.320 I just had a different vision of voice and rawness. 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.520 And obviously Brian helped fine tune that as well. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:39.959 It's all collaborative. 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.720 Yeah, so he hit me up to edit that video. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.520 I said, oh, no problem, and I'm in Florida. There 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.760 in California, Brian is a night owl. So it's three 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.600 am for me and I'm just like falling asleep editing 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.000 this video. And you know that goes out. That's cool. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.680 I got to edit a video for kim Blocker. 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:57.720 Would you edit on? 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.560 It was a really old. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.360 MacBook like Final Cut or something. 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:05.360 Yeah, for sure Final Yeah, might have been pirated with them. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.639 But with that, I showed him my work ethic, what 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:09.200 I can do. 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.640 When yeah, well you're up at three am editing, just. 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:12.240 Grinding it out. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.920 That's That's Brian's dream is editors that'll stay up til 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:16.639 three am. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:17.680 Getting stuff done. 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:18.119 I feel like that. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.360 And so you fast forward a little bit. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.600 Brian messages me on Facebook and he's like, hey, you 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.560 want to move to California, And I said, hey, you 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.840 want to give me a job? There There was a 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.080 long period of silence in between that where I was like, oh, 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.240 I guess I didn't actually get this job. And then 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.200 and then it you know, they flew me out, interviewed, 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.200 and then it became real. So I packed my car 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.720 with everything that I could fit in it, and if 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.119 it didn't fit in there, I didn't bring it. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.000 We have such similar stories of like I always you 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.280 said the saying of like they took me under the wing, 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.200 and I say the same thing about the car community. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.760 I packed my two forty SX with everything, my V 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.920 eight Japanese car with thing I could fit in it, 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:02.760 drove to California. 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.960 Just to make it, just just to do something right. 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.520 I was very comfortable in Florida. I didn't have to leave, 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.000 but I just felt. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.600 Like there was more, like a calling almost. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.520 Yeah, it just felt like there was more and it 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.840 would just be a shame to not go see if 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:17.199 there was. 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.320 What were you doing for work in Florida? 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.760 So when I left to go to Houning and I 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.240 was working at Juke Racing, you know, nine to five, 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.199 come in answer phones, make sales, answer emails. And that 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.760 all stemmed from me going in sweeping floors and like 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.280 forcing my way into a job, you know, because I 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.840 just wanted to be in the automotive industry. I loved 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.000 cars so much. I used to valet park cars before 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.200 that at the hard Rock Hotel and it was good money. 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.160 But it just didn't feel the. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.240 Cars running the family at all, not at all. 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.000 I'm the only automotive person in the family and that 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:49.280 makes me excited. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.359 You know, none of my son's here. He's four. He 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.720 loves cars and I'm not going to force him to 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:55.720 do anything. You know. 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.560 He chose hot Wheels and he takes it all in. 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.280 So I'm excited to kind of nurture that and see 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:01.959 what it becomes. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:02.960 I'm excited to see it. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.920 Yeah, it's it's really exciting. It's really exciting. 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.879 And you just shot a show in the UK. Do 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.000 you want to talk about that at all? 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:11.320 Sure? 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.679 So I just had the opportunity to shoot Hot was 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:19.879 Ultimate Challenge. Retligwood top gare Us the Flores Lava was 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.880 the host of the show and also a judge. 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.680 I was a judge, and then Delala was also a judge. 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.560 Son was also a guest of one of the episods. 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.000 Yeah, he was a guest. He was a wonderful guest. 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.440 It was very mean to religion it was great. Actually, 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.760 just kidding, but I never dreamt of being on TV. 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:42.359 I am and was so happy to see that you 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.280 were one of the hosts of that show. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:44.960 I appreciate it. 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.880 I feel like you are so deserving of this opportunity. 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.359 I was just I saw you in the airports that 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:52.919 were passing ways and I like had to stop you 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:54.280 to say, dude, I'm so happy for you. 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.320 Yeah, I appreciate that. It still doesn't feel real, honestly, 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.240 and it's like I never dreamt of being on TV, 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:01.400 and then we started doing it. I was like, Wow, 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.080 I didn't even know I dreamed of this, but now 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.480 that I'm doing it, this is like a dream come true. 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.119 And then like the cherry on top is that my mom, 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:11.560 you know, gets to see me on TV. 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:13.200 Like this is such a cool thing. 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.600 Like not that I ever thought she thought I was 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.200 a failure or anything like that, but I just feel 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.680 like that is an accomplishment as a parent to see 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.560 your child do something on a grand stage like that. 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.000 So it just it felt really cool to be a 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:29.520 part of it. 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.480 That was an experience of a lifetime being in a 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:36.680 production like that and working with people like rut Sung, 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:41.760 Terry crews, Jay Leno, and like, we were just around 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.400 legendary folks, So it was cool to get to feed 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.520 off of their energy and just learn by being around 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.959 you guys. I learned how to kind of just purely 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.120 be yourself when you're on a stage like that. 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.320 And this is what I just gathered from watching you 0:22:58.320 --> 0:22:59.240 guys do your thing. 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:04.160 You didn't really change for any situation, right, I feel 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:07.240 like you stayed very true to yourself and also making 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:11.080 yourself vulnerable. So when Terry was on, I watched him 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.199 be so happy and you know, speak to someone, and 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.439 then the story kind of got a little deep, you know, 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.200 sharing sharing stuff about her aunt and things like that, 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.560 and like you could feel the emotion just kind of 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.600 come out of him, and he made himself vulnerable and 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:28.200 shared some stuff. 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:30.760 And this is on camera and off camera, you know, 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:31.560 and it's just like. 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:35.480 Wow, isn't that wild? Because you watch TV as a 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:38.119 viewer and you look at these people and you're like 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:41.560 almost like they're you think they're putting on something or 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:45.520 you think that they're behaving differently when they're they're just 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:50.880 unapologetically being their self. They're being open, vulnerable, And I 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.040 feel like the people who are most successful with the 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.200 people who are just themselves. 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.000 And that's what I feel like I gathered for that exactly, 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:01.600 is you don't have to try to be anything but yourself. 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:04.200 Just have a good time and if it works, it works. 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.520 And same with kids who are listening like social media, 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:09.800 whatever you're trying to do. I feel like if you 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.160 just be yourself at the end of the day, that's 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.800 you are enough. You are enough. 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.280 Yeah, don't get caught up looking at social media accounts. 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:18.480 Social media is kind of a joke. 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.919 I know, it's high like real. Don't compare yourself and that. 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.679 I mean, it's something I even struggled with at times, right, 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.119 because you know, we all do. We worked hard to 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.800 create content and build this stuff. And you have all 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:33.840 of these peers and you see all these people doing 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.440 all this crazy stuff, and it'll get in your head. 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.440 You know, that's the thing, creating content, you know, right, 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.639 and once as long as you remind yourself that you know, 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.879 everyone is a person and everyone is going through stuff 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.479 and doing stuff, it keeps you grounded. 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.439 Don't do it for the gram, do it because you 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:53.800 love it. 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:55.840 Yeah, what did you think you were going to be 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:59.160 doing when you were a kid with their other aspirations. 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.840 I I definitely loved computers, so I thought maybe I 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:06.720 would get into computer programming. I also liked, you know, architecture, 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.960 but I also just liked gaming too, so I didn't 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.199 have a definitive, you know, of what I wanted to do. 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:15.040 And then the moment that I started messing with cars, 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:16.440 it was just game over. 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:18.800 Did you go through I did for myself, which is 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.280 why I ask about going to college or not. In 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:26.120 my early twenties, I definitely had a lot of regret 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.680 of maybe I'm making the wrong decision, and if there's 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:31.080 a time to do, it's got to be now, because 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:33.600 it's going to be years and I might regret this 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:35.600 down the line. Did you go through that regret at all? 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.600 Were you very much not right for me? 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:38.200 Yeah? 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.720 I felt really good about my decision because the only 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.000 higher learning in the automotive space was being a mechanic, 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:47.800 and I didn't. 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:49.000 At least that's what I felt. 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.480 I tried going to automotive school, and when I grasped 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.440 that and realized, well, I guess my options are start 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.560 my own shop. Really, but at the time I wasn't 0:25:57.600 --> 0:25:59.639 focused on storying amound stuff I was thinking of the 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.000 job I would get and was working a dealership or 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:03.800 turn wrenches somewhere, right. 0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.320 And I was okay working on cars, but I don't 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.160 I wasn't convinced that that's what I wanted to do 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:10.400 for the rest of my life. 0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:10.680 Either. 0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:14.240 I really enjoyed driving. I feel like once I started driving, 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:18.679 and once I started drifting, I felt really and I 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:22.720 mean like this brings in feelings of, you know, my 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:27.720 dad passing and things like that. Nothing felt right until 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:32.439 I started drifting, you know, And so driving cars, the 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:36.720 feeling of driving cars, the freedom, the just everything goes away. 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:40.359 It just did something to me that led me to this. 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:44.840 Right, there was no other option but to chase making 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.760 more opportunities for me to be inside of a car driving. 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:52.720 And because of that, it made me feel good about 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.000 my decision not to go to college. And I'm not 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.400 saying you shouldn't go to college. I think there's definitely 0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.840 reasons to go to college. I think I definitely could 0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:02.520 have learned a lot more about business and things like. 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:04.800 That sane, you know, But I do feel like school 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.800 teaches you how to apply yourself. You don't always learn 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:09.480 that necessarily in the real world. 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:11.479 Either self discipline is very difficult. 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:13.920 Song remind me, did you go to college? You did 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:14.879 four years? 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:19.639 Yeah, you get a PhD In being handsome or No. 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.199 I was on my way to law school. Okay, yeah, 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.160 that's what I thought I was going to be doing. 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:31.400 But this girl that I was dating in college, she 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.680 it was like the first girl that I ever fell 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:38.760 in love with, right, and I was actually going to 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.920 be a lawyer for her, right because I was like, oh, yeah, 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.160 we know, we'll have a happy life together. And then 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.840 she cheated on me. And I have to actually have 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:52.840 to thank this this woman, because after I found that out, 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.479 I became very selfish. I was like, I'm never going 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.560 to live my life for somebody else. I mean to 0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.800 do exactly what I wanted to do. I pursued this 0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:05.480 stream of being an actor, and I think the combination 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:10.240 of having my heart broken and then being angry and 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.679 then feeling like I wasted my time with this person, 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.960 I was gonna now worry about myself and pursue this stream. 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.560 So it gave me tunnel vision. So I think back now, 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:25.119 if I had stayed with this person, I'd probably be divorced. 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.880 I have kids that you know, being neglected, and I'd 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:33.000 be very unhappy, you know. And so sometimes these things 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.479 happen in your life where in the moment you feel, 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.560 you know, like the world is ending and it's such 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.280 a horrible situation and you're angry at the world. But 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.000 actually it changes the course of your life. 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:49.040 They are these doors that open right with you, you know, yeah, 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:50.160 your life today. 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.080 Yeah, I feel like houting him and got lucky because 0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:55.160 right when I started working there, I had suffered my 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.920 worst heartbreak. Oh really yeah, and then tunnel Vision happened 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.400 and I just I had worked endlessly. 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.160 Yeah, I feel that. 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:07.520 Yeah, sometimes you got to get your heart broke into 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.960 I think, to rebuild that clarity, right, Yeah, yeah, I 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:28.880 totally agree with that. There's a question I want to 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.840 ask you her. We didn't really talk about it, and 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.160 when we're doing the Hot Wheels episode, because that was 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.320 the first time I met you in the UK. And 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.600 you know, what really impressed me about that show is 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:42.960 like the diversity and the host. You know, you have 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.880 Rutledge and the Lull and then you right, so I 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.320 mean diversity within that show. And I think in Hollywood, 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.640 you know, there is this like charge to you know, 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.320 have like, you know, representation, but when you were coming 0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:00.960 up in the car community. Even currently, when I look 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.520 at the landscape, there are very few African Americans, you know, 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:08.040 that are actually part of the car community. Like you 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.160 go to a car meet, if I see a handful, 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.560 it's a lucky day, you know. I want to ask you, like, 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:15.520 why do you think that is? 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:20.600 I mean, it's a tough game. I think representation is 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.960 a massive thing. And that's one thing I'm learning now 0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.000 that I'm in the position that I am right, is 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.400 I get a lot of people who look like me 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.000 come up to me and say thank you to me 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.560 for doing what I've done so that they could see 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:38.240 it happen and potentially go in that direction. It's really 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.640 interesting to me because you know, twenty years ago when 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:43.600 I was doing this, I mean, I'm from Florida. That 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.560 should tell you what the automotive community might have looked like. 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.200 I didn't let that the term me or stop me, 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:53.720 but I understand how it could, you know, and so 0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:59.040 why I don't know why, but I think if I 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:02.600 had to put anything on it, I'd say having more 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:07.360 representation might might help. I think it's gotten much better, 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.880 and that's kind of where I'm moving now with what 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:15.440 I'm doing is I moved on from Hoonigan and now 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:19.560 I'm partners with T Pain and Nappy Boy Automotive. It's 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.800 black owned, you know, black forward facing, but all inclusive. 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:26.000 We're definitely going to focus heavy on going to events 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:28.760 and just building on that representation thing that we just 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:29.400 spoke about. 0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:30.760 You know, It's funny. 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.000 I was actually thinking about this the other day because 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.479 because I fully let go of my pro dreams a 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.520 long time ago, just because of cost and everything like that, 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:42.600 but I also didn't expect me to be where I 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.880 am today, so to speak, you know, and that's not 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:46.520 me putting myself on a pedestal, but. 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:48.920 No, I mean I will. You're a hero to so 0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:49.600 many people. 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.680 You know, I have reach, I helped, you know. I 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.360 worked at Honigan for ten years and that brand was 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:01.080 a powerhouse in the automotive space. And you know, I 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.840 have sponsors now and I do things and I'm going 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.760 to try to build a real car next year. And 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:07.520 I was just thinking about this the other day. I 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.920 was like, why why don't I just try it for fun? 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:13.040 You know, See what I can make happen. See who'd 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:18.960 be willing to help support the dream. Honestly, I watch Formulad, 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.120 I know so many of the drivers and the amount 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:23.840 of work I'm going to have to do to even 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.520 even make eye contact with them is going to be insane. 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:29.960 But it would be such a fun challenge to do. 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.640 So it's it's kind of creeping back up on my 0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:37.600 list necessary, you know, it would be very fun. You guys, 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.400 got any stories you want to tell me? How did 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.280 you get in the cars through the movie? 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.520 No No. I had a neighbor when I was a kid, Like, 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:48.080 you know, my household was not like the healthiest, so 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:51.520 I'd like wander around the neighborhood, right, and there was 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.800 this old man that was working on his sixty three 0:32:55.960 --> 0:33:02.000 or sixty nine Impella so ss with red interior, and 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.440 he was an old Korean war vet and he had 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.360 he would always have the radio like and everytime I 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.680 hear beach Boy songs, I think of him. And he 0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:12.920 looked like the fawns, you know. He had his hair 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.640 slicked back, and he had his like camel unfiltered cigarettes 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.840 like rolled up in his sleeve and he would be 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.080 restoring this old impella, right, and he would let me 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.000 hang out with him, and he'd never ask any questions, 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:30.160 like old school dude, you know, it's like people's business 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:32.360 or their business, you know. But he just let me 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:36.560 sit there in the garage while he's smoking and slowly 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:40.280 restoring this car and ask him all these stupid questions 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.080 like you know, what does SS mean? It's like why, 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:46.160 you know, does it have to be red interior? Like 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.960 what is like oem? Like why does it have to 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.120 like come from factory? And he started showing me all 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:56.320 these like catalogs from you know, from the manufacturers to 0:33:56.440 --> 0:34:01.400 buy the badging and you know, the interior parts and 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.800 bits and and then I remember he was so happy 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:08.880 the day that the convertible cloth or of the fabric 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.120 was installed, and he goes, this is how it came 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.320 out of factory, right. And so since I was a kid, 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.000 you know, the idea of being like a caretaker for 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.000 old cars was something that was planted by this gentleman. 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.560 And that's why, you know, I'm not into racing and 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.719 going fast, like I actually am not even into like 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.640 showing my cars to people. It's really like the idea 0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:37.120 of being a historian, being a caretaker of these old 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:41.280 cars and having this, you know, sanctuary in a garage, 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:46.279 you know, especially, I'm always in search of like mentors too, 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.040 so because I would say I know nothing. You know, 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.480 as I get older, I realized I know less and less, 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:56.000 and especially with cars, it's always something to learn. There's 0:34:56.040 --> 0:35:00.319 always somebody that knows way more than your Usually there 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.239 are lessons you're going to learn from that person that 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.120 you can apply to your life, right, And that's actually 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:09.280 my connection to cars is that I get the opportunity 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:14.040 to meet some amazing human beings that are passionate about 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:17.399 these like you know, machines and these cars and their 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:22.480 historians or their builders or their racers. And most of 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.800 the time I walk away I and you know, people 0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:29.440 be very surprised I don't give a shit about the car. 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.480 I do not. It's really I care about the person, 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.280 and then I have a connection to the car. 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.080 Hearing the story about the guy who used to let 0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:41.839 you hang on his garage actually helps me understand your 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.080 builds and things like that, because you can see that 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:45.480 kind of shine through those things. 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.160 M M. That's really interesting. 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:48.280 Do you like drifting? 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:53.000 The drifting itself, I have no interest in, but because 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:56.400 of the access I am allowed due to the fast 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.120 and various movies. You know, I get to meet these 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.680 like amazing seeing people within the drift community. 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:05.040 The car stories, why they're. 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.040 Drifters, and what it takes to be a drifter. Like 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.360 I meet these professional drifters that tow their own cars 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:14.319 from you know, Middle America and there, you know, there's 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.080 six in a room, so their crew is like, you know, 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.200 all sleeping on the floor together, and you know, I 0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:24.400 get I get excited and I get inspired by that enthusiasm, 0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.120 that passion. You know what I mean, Because I say 0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:30.520 this almost on a daily basis, But to keep you know, 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:35.120 your headlight shining bright, the light behind your eyes. It's 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.360 very hard as you get older because life, you know, 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:39.920 fucks you up, you know what I mean. 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:43.160 So, and to what you're saying. When we went to 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:46.920 the NASCAR race together, you were very passionate about standing 0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:49.600 by the pit boxes and watching them do tire changes 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.600 and watching them work on the cars and seeing how 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.040 quickly they were able to do it and how in 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.520 unison they did it without communicating with their words but 0:36:58.600 --> 0:36:59.400 more of their hands. 0:36:59.560 --> 0:36:59.880 Yeah. 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:01.919 But I think that also stems from maybe your entry 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.560 point into automotive with this neighbor was based on the 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:09.279 stories and seeing what he was able to create with 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.800 his story, right, Yeah. 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.000 I agree with that, Like telling that story really opened 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.560 me up to to what you're into as a as 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.480 a car person. But I'm also curious, what, uh what 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.200 drift events have you been to? Just for me a 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:22.839 d We're going to drag you out to some now 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.560 yeah ft so so because you know, I go to 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:29.240 an event annually called Final Bout. 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:30.799 So next year, let's make that. 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:32.879 I think that'll probably be more of my thing. 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.680 I've always wanted to go to a final about when 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.719 like Instagram was like first popping off. I used to 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.960 fall Animal Styles, that's their name. I used to I 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.040 don't know these people in real life. I just I 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.000 just like I still don't know who they are today, 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.640 but that was their stuff was really sick. 0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:49.240 Yeah. 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.520 So it's team based, so it's no there's no individual 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:53.319 individual scores and. 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:54.480 Find your squad. 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:56.120 Yeah. 0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.120 So the first year, first two years, I drove an 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:01.960 Animal Style Okay, Final Bout, and I mean I held 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:03.640 him back, but I'm a lot better now. 0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:04.960 So if we want to run it back, well, you 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:05.640 know we can do that. 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.520 But you know, your car show score gets taken in 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:12.040 and then the driving happens, which is basically a jam 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.520 session with the teams, so all. 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:16.960 The style and like a tandem of three so. 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:20.080 Minimum three, and there are teams with up to like 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:20.760 seven cars. 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:22.480 That all sounds so cool. 0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:24.520 It's really cool. It's really cool. 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.680 And you know, there are teams where I've been this 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:29.920 person on the team where there's one guy kind of 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:32.200 holding it back, right, just not doing. 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.319 As well because you want to be door to door as. 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.680 Close as you can be, as smooth as you can be. 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:40.120 And sometimes there's a guy or two that kind of 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.120 hold the team back. But you can't park that guy. 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.799 You guys are a team. It's not about winning. It's 0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:48.799 about bringing your team together and doing the best that 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:52.680 you can. And so because you are like, if if 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:54.680 you park that guy and we find out you park 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:56.680 that guy, you're going to lose points because that's just 0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:57.920 not that's not what you're here for. 0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.200 You know, who is the one of the founder a 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.480 final about that lives out in la that has the 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:07.080 ft ilia. Yeah, yeah, Iliah keeps pressing me to go 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:08.879 to final. I was supposed to go to this advent. 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.080 Yeah, they good enjoy man I mean, obviously, I totally 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:15.000 understand where you're coming from and you're feeling in cars. 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:18.600 I actually love that you can say that proudly, you know, 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.120 because some people will probably you know, kind of keep 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:22.640 that inside and not want to share that. 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.919 Just you know, people like to fit in. I'll never 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:28.399 fit in. 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.480 I still don't fit in, So there's like, you know, 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.720 a question of yeah, I do not fit in anywhere still, 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:36.200 so that it's okay not to. 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:37.920 Fit in I don't fit in cars. 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.880 Yeah, But I mean you're right. I think people assume 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:46.880 because you know, of Han like I am this like 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:52.400 car expert and mechanic and professional level like drifter. 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:54.960 Well, I think people see Han when they talk to 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.840 so they don't understand that that's a character you're playing. 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:01.359 Yeah, And then I used to get like bashed because 0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.640 I would go That's why it's very hard for me 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:07.000 to go to like cars and coffee. You know, I 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:08.920 have to like drop up a lot of courage to 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:12.880 go there because I would go and being inquisitive and 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.560 just being very naive. I would go to like dudes 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.560 and go, hey, can you tell me about this car? 0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:19.080 Right? 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:21.959 And you know, like I remember, like the first time 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.840 like the R Eights came out. I was so infatuated 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:27.560 with this car and there are these dudes that modified it. 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.080 And I went over there and I was like, can 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.600 you tell me about this? And like what motors in here? 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:34.960 And like what are you guys doing? Like how do 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.759 you modify? Like how do you get the horsepar? And 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:42.440 I thought like I was making friends, right, and maybe 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:44.680 if I wasn't han it, you know, they would have 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.200 been more accepting. But this is where I also realized, oh, 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:50.440 you have to be careful in the car com it's 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.800 very cliquish too, Like after I left, they were talking 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.759 like hello, shit about me. It actually like made me 0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:00.160 go maybe I do not belong here right then, And 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.960 as time went on, the circle of friends that I have, right, 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.560 you know, they're so supportive in the car community, they're 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.640 just you know, amazing people. And you start to realize 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:13.279 just because their car dudes, it doesn't make us family, right, right, 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:16.320 Like some people are into cars for different reasons. 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.239 And that's a tough that's a tough situation, you know, 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.440 being vulnerable and just being open like oh what's this 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:23.920 and and then getting that kind of backlash. But I'm 0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:27.319 glad it didn't stop you from continuing to have fun. 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.840 And now they motivated me to change kind of you know, 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:35.160 the environment too, and to be like an ambassador for 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.360 this change of inclusiveness, to go, hey man, you know 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:40.799 it's okay that you don't know anything, right, I mean, 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:44.520 come and enjoy and let us like share the knowledge. 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:48.640 You know. I believe that it is our responsibility to 0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.719 you know, be mentors and you know, to be able 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.600 to pass off this knowledge. And you know, it is 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.480 frustrating at times where people hoard their knowledge, right. You know. 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:02.640 Yeah, I think is very important for someone with your 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:05.640 reach to be in the automotive community because like a 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.360 lot of people fear that the automotive space will eventually 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.480 die out. But as long as we have people like 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:15.960 you with your reach and your stardom sharing the love 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:17.719 for it, somebody's going to see it and it just 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.920 kind of keeps trickling up. And that's that's another thing 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:22.919 that I love about, you know, working with t Pain. 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:26.239 He has cars, he's had, you know, fancy cars and 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.440 fun cars, but he's not a super car guy either, 0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.279 you know, and he's learning now as as we go 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.080 through this process, I think he's learned a lot, but 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.920 him not being afraid to be vulnerable. I think it's 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:42.160 great because like we went to we've we've done three 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.200 really big track days this year and he's still in 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.520 very much in a learning phase of drifting. You could 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:51.040 have just wrecked your car in front of all these 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.680 people and they would be so excited that you wrecked 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.840 your car because then they get to go online and 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:59.440 talk shit, you know. And and but he didn't. He 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:03.080 did great. He handled the pressure well, he made the adjustments, 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:04.840 he took his time and learned. 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:06.000 And I don't know, I just. 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.160 Love that, you know, thanks for sharing that. It's like, 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:12.360 you know, him willing to be vulnerable, right and taking 0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:13.960 having the courage to fail. 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.239 Yep. I mean that's it's a big deal. Yeah, it's 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:18.040 a really big deal. 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:21.640 And he wears it on his sleeve too, like we'll 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.680 be there the day before. I'm like, you're ready. He's like, no, 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:28.120 I'm not ready. I don't you know. He's very honest, 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.760 very humble. Honestly he said this, and this might be oversharing, 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.760 but he's like, I don't need money, you know, because 0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:37.239 he's done well for himself. He's like, so I'm not 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.560 asking you to join me in this so that you 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.080 can make me money. He didn't want me to think 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.640 that he was using me as an entry point into 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.680 the automotive space since I had just been, you know, 0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:49.400 been a part of Honigan for so long and this 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:51.680 and that. But he made it very clear, He's like, 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.919 this isn't a this isn't a money thing. This is 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.320 something that I'm passionate about. And this is something I 0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:00.319 can see you're clearly passionate about, and so that just 0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.560 makes me want us to go on this journey together. 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.200 The brief time that I met him when I was 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:10.239 in Atlanta, I see a sincereness from him, and even 0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:13.120 just you saying this, I'm like, I could I believe 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.920 that just from the little time that I that I 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:18.920 got to literally say hi to him. Yeah, it's sincere 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.960 and he just likes cars and wants to get into. 0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:23.560 It's out of this world, you know. 0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:25.560 And the same goes with you and the people that 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.200 I met on the hot Wheel set, Like you just 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:32.160 don't expect people who do who have done these amazing. 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:33.200 Things, to just be normal humans. 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:33.439 Yeah. 0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:35.640 You know, I was taught, you. 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.479 Know, when I was younger, that the camera doesn't lie 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.759 I think it was actually Sevestia Stillone told me that 0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.000 because I asked him a question. I said, how does 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:46.279 one become like a superhero? How does one become Rocky Balboa? 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.919 And he simply said, the camera does not lie. There's 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:52.160 certain people that can never play that role because that's 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:56.760 not who they are, right And I think T Pain recognized, 0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.160 like with it what Amelia was saying about himself of 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.680 being a sincere person because he has feet on the 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:06.200 ground and being truthful. And then like, when I see 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:11.239 your content, I see no pretense. Literally, I see no like, 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.680 you know, fakery, Like you are who you are and 0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.080 then when I meet you, you are who I thought 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.040 you were going to be. And there's a lot of 0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:24.200 people that have this pretense. It's all show. And I think, 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:27.840 especially with the pressures of social media, people feel like 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.719 they need to embody this idea, you know, because I 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.399 didn't understand what this partnership with T Pain is and 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:38.080 it's super cool to hear that it's about like this 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:41.520 positive sincere representation, and I think that's going to make 0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:44.920 a tremendous difference in the car community for other African 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:49.040 American kids that wonder, you know, like how do I be, 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.839 you know, be a part of this community right And 0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:53.960 you know, when I met you, I was like, what 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.040 a great ambassador you know, And you know part I 0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:00.239 hope you don't change because they say, you know, fame 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:04.719 changes people, but money changes people. I'm the same guy, 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:06.240 but I think you're 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:09.439 You're also and I'm so happy we got to chat 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:09.680 with you.