WEBVTT - Magic: the Gathering ...on Magic Mushrooms

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of Iheartradioy Elizabeth Dutton.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good, okay, well quite frankly, I'm good. How about you?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you not good? Bob? No, I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>I just like to say that I do have a

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<v Speaker 3>question for you. You know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>I do fifth degree theft, and I'm just kidding. What's

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous is okay? You know how like you go on

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<v Speaker 2>you know how you go on vacation sometimes, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have done You've done.

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<v Speaker 3>That a long time ago, and I've done that. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a new thing, but I've been doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, people buy souvenirs and you're like a

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<v Speaker 2>collector guys, I like, do you get souvenirs?

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<v Speaker 3>I sometimes buy souvenirs, like yeah, But oftimes I will

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<v Speaker 3>just I have to admit this. I'll like grab a

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<v Speaker 3>rock and keep a rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've done that.

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<v Speaker 3>I try not to take something really pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm a little Yeah, I do that. I usually

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<v Speaker 2>get try and get a magnet.

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<v Speaker 3>That's dope. That's fun. But I'm on the side of

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<v Speaker 3>the that's totally fun.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom gets mugs and so sometimes vacation and rub

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<v Speaker 2>it in her face by getting her a mug.

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<v Speaker 3>She loves that collection of face rubs.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they have you know what I love. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't seem to have him around very much anymore. Match Books,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've got a lot of Yeah, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot from like old fool.

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<v Speaker 3>Restaurants, old bars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too, So match books. I've never been to

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Como in Italy.

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<v Speaker 3>Lives there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he's invited me so many times.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very, very deep that lake.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's about three feet deep. It's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's ridiculous. It's really shallows three.

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<v Speaker 2>Feet at the center. And George is like, Elizabeth, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to come out. And I'm like, I haven't got over.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a busy on the go lifestyle many and anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was like thinking about it, like if I

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<v Speaker 2>went to Lake Como and I waded out to the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the thing, what souvenir would I get myself?

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<v Speaker 3>What what souvenir from my trip to from from the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of the lake, or just to remember your.

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<v Speaker 2>Time in general? Maybe aside from like George klean.

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<v Speaker 3>About how about a hand painted wine bottle?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, sure they do so no Zaren.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not what I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to one of the you know, handful of shops

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<v Speaker 2>they have les are in Como is a little shop.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something of the.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a handful in that sell a very specific

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<v Speaker 2>souvenir and it's one hundred authentic from Lake Como. Oddly enough,

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<v Speaker 2>the can is in English. Okay, it's a can of

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Como air. What fresh air trapped in a can?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're kind of cool looking cans.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, WHOA they've been doing that from Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a Canada, does it? They actually in just

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<v Speaker 2>after World War Two in Naples, Napoli, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who was taking old US war ration cans and

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<v Speaker 2>saying it's air from Naples and selling it. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but like this, they don't sell it online. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to go, I mean, come on, otherwise, what's the point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can just crack it and huff it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's got all the same qualities, all the ingredients that

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<v Speaker 2>listen like ninety eight percent nitrogen et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>But then so one breath of air, but then point.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero zero zero zero zero zero one percent of it

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<v Speaker 2>of it lake Como secret formula?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that on the can?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Really, it's right here. Look I don't have the

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<v Speaker 2>can at the website. And you know what that is?

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<v Speaker 3>What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>That is one George Clooney Pubican. Oh god, and that,

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<v Speaker 2>my friends, that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot going on right there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what else is ridiculous besides that? Tell me

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<v Speaker 3>performance enhancing drugs?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I thought you're still talking about the can.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm leaving that fast behind. We were talking recently,

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<v Speaker 3>you me, producer, do you about microdosing PCP?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>This is kind of like the opposite of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I say microdose everything? Why not a little bit here there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's tiny bits? How could it hurt? But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like in some sports, right, people take drugs to cheat,

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<v Speaker 3>like crack. Well, yes, gif you're the eighty six mets,

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<v Speaker 3>But like for other people, it's like steroids, blood doping.

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<v Speaker 2>Epo let's epos.

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<v Speaker 3>I had him to a second.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a is it made of crickets?

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<v Speaker 3>I believe it's an enzyme and it helps with the

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<v Speaker 3>blood absorption of oxygen.

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<v Speaker 2>I take digestive enzymes. Is that? What that is?

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<v Speaker 3>Very similar, but there's also the clear in the cream.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember berry bonds Berry, Yeah, exactly. Well, there have been

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of stories we know of athletes using a

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<v Speaker 3>chemical advantage. Lance Armstrong comes to mind. Right, most of

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<v Speaker 3>these stories aren't ridiculous. Some of them obviously are totally

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<v Speaker 3>But today, Elizabeth, I have a story for you about

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<v Speaker 3>a guy who, uh, well, he entered a magic the

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<v Speaker 3>Gathering tournament and he competed. Elizabeth. He's a he's an

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<v Speaker 3>E sports athlete or whatever I guess get tabletop sports athlete. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>he did this well high on psychedelic mushrooms. My god,

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<v Speaker 3>that was his performance and anting drugs. Now, some folks

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<v Speaker 3>may not count magic mushrooms as a performance anting drug,

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<v Speaker 3>but just you wait, this is ridiculous crime a podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>aboubsurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons always ninety nine

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<v Speaker 3>percent murder free and one percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Zaren, I am now convinced that you have

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<v Speaker 2>been putting together a.

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<v Speaker 4>List all the things in the world that irritate and

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<v Speaker 4>cringe me out because you said magic gathering an e

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<v Speaker 4>sports and now I'm just gonna you tell the story.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to keep ripping my hair out, and and

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<v Speaker 3>people on shrooms doing it, you know, doing it to

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<v Speaker 3>like get over on other people like you and magic

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<v Speaker 3>and chaos. I'm all shroom.

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<v Speaker 2>I like agents of chaos. Oh my god, Daren.

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<v Speaker 3>Gathering un I think you know, it's it's ridiculous to

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<v Speaker 3>watch if they do these things that they do. When

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<v Speaker 3>I say the words that I say, Have you ever

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<v Speaker 3>eaten magic mushrooms? Elizabeth sideways on shrooms?

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's like a church here in Oakland.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they get a sacrament? They have it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have around the law candy bars and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they usually put it in chocolate because it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't taste good. Oh really, yeah, I've eaten my fair share,

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<v Speaker 3>sure you have. I liked them at first. They were dope.

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<v Speaker 3>They were fun. Sometimes it was super laughy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The times is like you know, of hilarious or other

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<v Speaker 3>times it's very sensual, like you have visual distortions, auditory hallucinations.

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<v Speaker 3>Music gets extra lush, uh, fabrics, materials. They become that mesmerizing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's interesting, right and into a delicious portobello mushroom sandwich.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just give you this just a little, a little,

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<v Speaker 3>a little more, just a little extra maybe that if

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<v Speaker 3>it was rotten, like if it was bad, maybe we

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<v Speaker 3>can get close. But honestly, Elizabeth, I don't really like mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't do shrooms anymore. They make my stomach sick.

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<v Speaker 2>So that I know, I've yea.

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<v Speaker 3>I spent my first three hours basically doubled over and paying.

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<v Speaker 2>Going sensitive tummy to begin with.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I do, yes, but for me, it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>give me LSD now we're talking. But I'm not advocating

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<v Speaker 3>for anybody else, right, But Elizabeth, do you know the

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<v Speaker 3>history of people getting twisted on that?

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine it goes back to like the druids

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<v Speaker 2>foraging around and digging up into cow poop.

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<v Speaker 3>Is even older than that.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine it would go back to the caveman like

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<v Speaker 2>hopping on a wooly mammoth. I imagine it.

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<v Speaker 3>Went back to hold my fire stick. So it turns

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<v Speaker 3>out streams were one of the first drugs we ever liked. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Our first and oldest drug of choice was pot, Like

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<v Speaker 3>we've been dealing with pot forever, yeah, but then we

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<v Speaker 3>got into beer like around four thousand years ago, huh.

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<v Speaker 3>But with shrooms we started doing that about. It depends

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<v Speaker 3>on where you look. There's there's rock art in Algeria

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<v Speaker 3>that shows people eating shrooms and getting twisted, and that

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<v Speaker 3>dates to about seven thousand, nine thousand BC, which would

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<v Speaker 3>put that at about nine thousand to eleven thousand years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>almost three times as long as we've been or two

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<v Speaker 3>times depending how you count it, as long as we've

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<v Speaker 3>been drinking beer beer.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also rock art in Spain that suggests mushrooms were

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<v Speaker 3>a key component of ancient religion rituals, so like some

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<v Speaker 3>of our like our caveman religions. Right, so this was

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<v Speaker 3>a four thousand BC, right, so about six thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But the real champion mushroom chewers out there are found

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<v Speaker 3>in Mexico, Central America, and in North America up in

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<v Speaker 3>here the Pacific Northwest. They got a bus right now,

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<v Speaker 3>there's the Aztec. They had this word and I will

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<v Speaker 3>probably pronounce this incorrectly, but I will try tao nut coal.

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<v Speaker 3>I can try that faster ten nutscle. Anyway, it literally

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<v Speaker 3>means the divine mushroom. And I apologize for my pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm terrible at that. But the Spanish conquistars when they arrived.

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<v Speaker 3>The monks. They documented how they are all these mushroom

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<v Speaker 3>meeting folks, and they had these strange effects when they

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<v Speaker 3>eat these mushrooms. And they had no experience with this

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<v Speaker 3>because even though there were cave arts in Spain, they'd

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<v Speaker 3>forgotten all about this because of religion. Right, So they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>what are they doing? So these men of God they

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<v Speaker 3>chalk up the effects of this mushroom, of course, to

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<v Speaker 3>communion with the demons and the devils.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just jamming out on Mexican loops hours sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>in a cozy curta.

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<v Speaker 3>The conquistitter's coming along. What's the meaning of this? So

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<v Speaker 3>the mushrooms they get banned as the drug of pagans,

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<v Speaker 3>shamans and other idolators. Right, So this doesn't stop people

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<v Speaker 3>from getting wicked with the shrooms. So it keeps going,

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<v Speaker 3>keeps going. Eventually, in the eighteen hundreds, European scientists finally

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<v Speaker 3>discover the mushrooms. They're like, hey, wait a minute, what

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<v Speaker 3>is this?

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<v Speaker 5>What?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 3>There's an interesting memorable introduction though, because one of the

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<v Speaker 3>first scientists to discover the we'll say the psychedelic aspects

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<v Speaker 3>of the mushroom did so by accident. So there's this

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<v Speaker 3>man in London. He was accidentally serving magic mushrooms to

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<v Speaker 3>his family for breakfast. I'm guessing about forty minutes later,

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<v Speaker 3>the family was having the strangest morning of their natural

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<v Speaker 3>born lives.

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<v Speaker 2>In an actual English fry up.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly like the beans are moving. So if someone had

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<v Speaker 3>to call for a doctor, as they called themselves at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, an apothecary. Right, because this is seventeen ninety nine, Okay, right,

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<v Speaker 3>this gets written up in the London Medical and Physical journals.

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<v Speaker 2>They got like high heel shoes of buckle, big buckle, baby.

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<v Speaker 3>So this apothecary went to work to save the family

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<v Speaker 3>from their hallucinations and delusions and so forth. The youngest boy,

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<v Speaker 3>he's the most difficult to come around, right, he and

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<v Speaker 3>I found this. They said he had loved eating. He

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<v Speaker 3>he was just nibbling. So this kid, he apparently quote

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<v Speaker 3>was attacked with fits of immoderate laughter, nor could the

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<v Speaker 3>threats of his father or mother refrain him. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they're threatening him with the buckle belts and the shoes

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<v Speaker 3>and they're like we will beat you with an into

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<v Speaker 3>your life. Stop laughing, boy, he can't stop it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the mushrooms. So after that early introduction magic mushrooms, they

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much mostly remain a Meso American drug. Right, it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't really bubble up because they're like, I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>my boy gibbering like an idiot like that, So it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't It's not like cocaine. When they discover it, they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>now this is a good drug.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would imagine that they would they would equate

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<v Speaker 2>it with the you know, sort of liked being possessed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that it's not you know, when they get

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<v Speaker 2>all coked up in they acts not.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for business, you know, I mean really Western drug

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<v Speaker 3>takers for the most it's either you want escapist or

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<v Speaker 3>you want good for business. So it's cocaine, caffeine, or

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<v Speaker 3>it's like you know, heroin and pot.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, nineteen fifty five, a paaras scientist, they attend

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<v Speaker 3>an indigenous mushroom ceremony in Mexico. They document it all

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<v Speaker 3>because they're scientists or ethnobiologists, and they write up the

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<v Speaker 3>story of their time in the jungle and about getting

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<v Speaker 3>twisted in. The stories and photos they get published in

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<v Speaker 3>Life magazine. In nineteen fifty seven, Elizabeth. Can you guess

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<v Speaker 3>who just happened to read that Life magazine article? And

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<v Speaker 3>we go on to change the world because of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Just imagine them, like, I don't know, in a dentist's

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<v Speaker 3>office picking up an old copy. What is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas P Magic, Founder, the Magic, the Gathering carts.

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<v Speaker 3>No Timothy Leary?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So he reads this Life magazine all about the mushroom

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<v Speaker 3>rituals in Mexico and he's like, huh, how soon can

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<v Speaker 3>I get down to Old Mexico Way? And of course

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<v Speaker 3>he bounces down there and he finds the mushrooms. He

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<v Speaker 3>eats a bunch, flips his lid, loves it, opens his

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<v Speaker 3>head up, airs it out right, let's the Holy Universe

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<v Speaker 3>come rushing in. He's like, oh my god, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>psych go not and then he goes back to the US.

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<v Speaker 3>Newborn psychonot goes back to Harvard, where he is a professor,

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<v Speaker 3>right right, young professor though, so he and his partner

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Alpert, they start the Harvard Psilocybin Project, like we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to study this scientifically, even though just don't talk

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<v Speaker 3>to Tim too much about it, right, So at this

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<v Speaker 3>point it's totally legal to experiment with mushrooms. Nobody has

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<v Speaker 3>the rules about this, right, this is nineteen sixty ish.

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<v Speaker 3>The rules will come around sixty four to sixty five.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll make it illegal sixty eight I think. Anyway, the

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<v Speaker 3>point being mushrooms and payoty all that stuff is basically illegal,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're playing around. Timothy Leary starts giving prisoners magic

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<v Speaker 3>mushrooms to see if it helps them, like remake who

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<v Speaker 3>they are, like it happened to him down in Mexico, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So six months after that he finds that shrooms did

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<v Speaker 3>in fact help the prisoners. Recidivism falls by forty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard a lot about, you know, people treating complex

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<v Speaker 2>PTSD totally it, and it's fascinating to me this notion

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<v Speaker 2>of how you kind of rewire them.

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<v Speaker 3>Reset a lot of the connections, revalue and rewait some

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<v Speaker 3>of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never done any psychedelics or hallucinogens because I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>afraid that I'll lose my mind and not be able

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<v Speaker 2>to get back there.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually is a moment the first time you do it

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<v Speaker 3>where you go well, I always think like this, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>almost everybody has that moment and the answer is No.

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<v Speaker 2>I am like a hairline fracture away from just losing

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<v Speaker 2>it and already, and I don't need that PoTA cup cract.

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<v Speaker 3>So at this point we have Timothy Leary, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, who else can I give these mushrooms to

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<v Speaker 3>besides the prisoners? So he starts going, well, grad students there,

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<v Speaker 3>they have to listen to me. So he gets these

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<v Speaker 3>grad students from the Divinity Program, that second program of like,

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<v Speaker 3>let me give these mushrooms to these people. See how

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<v Speaker 3>it plays out. Doesn't go so well, right, because these

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<v Speaker 3>people they're not prisoners, they're like grad students. So they

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<v Speaker 3>write their own records. They think it's controversy, Elizabeth. It

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<v Speaker 3>blows up in their face. Both Larry and Richard Alpert.

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<v Speaker 3>They get kicked out of Harvard, right, So they lose

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<v Speaker 3>their prestigious jobs. Now we're in nineteen sixty three. Can

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<v Speaker 3>know what happens next? Tim Leary goes west, launches this

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<v Speaker 3>acadelic revolution in California. We've talked about that bus, the

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<v Speaker 3>Brotherhood of the Eternal Love, right, Okay, so back to mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>The next big pioneer is inspired by Larry Terrence McKenna

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<v Speaker 3>right in sixty seven, he's in Berkeley, he's a student

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<v Speaker 3>at cal He's heard all about this, and that's where

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<v Speaker 3>he decides to get into his quote opium and cabal phase. So,

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<v Speaker 3>in other words, he starts studying Tibetan folk religion and

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<v Speaker 3>smoking opium. Then he decides to travel to Jerusalem and see,

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<v Speaker 3>like how those ancients got high in the desert. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So then he's like, it's good. Sixty nine, he bounces

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<v Speaker 3>over to ne Pall see how people get high in

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<v Speaker 3>the Himalayan planes? Right, He's like, hey, what are you

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<v Speaker 3>shaman smoking? Right? So then at this point he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>how do I afford all this? I'm just this student

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<v Speaker 3>bumbling around. He's like, okay, I'll get into drug smuggling,

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<v Speaker 3>which seems like that's the move in the late sixties,

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<v Speaker 3>I think. So everyone's like, oh, I want to see

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<v Speaker 3>more of this world. I'll get into drug smuggling.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. It's great, you know, and you can pick up

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of souvenirs, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Meet interesting people, you know. So he gets involved, just

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<v Speaker 3>like the Brotherhood Eternal Love in terms of moving various,

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<v Speaker 3>like the product is hashish opium. Everything out of that

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<v Speaker 3>part of the world right out of the Afghanistan and

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<v Speaker 3>so forth.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So now he gets caught with one of his loads

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<v Speaker 3>by US customs. So he's like, oh, I need to

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<v Speaker 3>get out of here. He needs a new gig. He

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<v Speaker 3>ditches out and he goes down to Indonesia where he

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<v Speaker 3>becomes a butterfly collector. Oh yeah, so he's basically living

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<v Speaker 3>one of those epic baby boomer lives like you just

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't do unless you are a baby boomer. You have

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<v Speaker 3>jet travel, you gotta have a there's a certain window

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<v Speaker 3>where there just like bounce around the world. Yeah. Then

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<v Speaker 3>I became a butterfly collector.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like his consciousness was expanded. Oh totally, he collects.

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<v Speaker 3>But once again, the baby boomer thing, they were the

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<v Speaker 3>first ones to kind of like really go off. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>before this you have William william S Burrow's doing his stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you have previous generation of the beats, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But really the hippies I want to are like go

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<v Speaker 3>make tramp into the jungle and bring my brother. Right. Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>his mother, Terrace McKenny. His mother passes away, so he

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<v Speaker 3>has to return to America after all his drug smuggling

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<v Speaker 3>bouncing around the world collecting butterflies and mushrooms, and then

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<v Speaker 3>he goes with his brother back to the nation of

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<v Speaker 3>Columbia because like, okay, we got mother in the ground. Hey, brother,

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<v Speaker 3>let's bounce out. I'm gonna show you this world. Right Totally,

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<v Speaker 3>his mind's of wide open, Elizabeth, you pointed out. So

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, let me go open my brother's mind. So

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<v Speaker 3>they go tramping off in the jungle and they try DMT.

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<v Speaker 3>You've heard about DMT. It's like a super strong psychedelic.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they also try magic mushrooms, and that totally is

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<v Speaker 3>their thing. They're like, Okay, this one's out of all

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff we've tried. This is the thing. So he

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<v Speaker 3>gets heavy into that and he decides that mushrooms will

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<v Speaker 3>be the key to unlocking the Jugian collective unconscious of humanity. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, the great symbolic world mind, Elizabeth. The mushrooms,

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<v Speaker 3>he decides, is the magic material that the alchemists were

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<v Speaker 3>after that would unlock the Philosopher's stone.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He hears this voice, Producer, d you may know

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<v Speaker 3>about this from some of your religious readings. He hears

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<v Speaker 3>the voice of Logos, which he then calls the teaching voice.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, the word from God, the very exactly logos

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<v Speaker 6>is the word. It's the all spark from transformers.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it's word up.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's basically got God whispering in his ear through

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<v Speaker 3>the mushrooms, Elizabeth. So at this point we're deep in

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<v Speaker 3>the jungle. He gets all the way out of there.

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<v Speaker 3>The early seventies, he returns to Berkeley. They let him

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<v Speaker 3>finish back his studies because again, baby Boomer, that's how

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<v Speaker 3>it was for them. He graduates with a degree, publishes

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<v Speaker 3>a book, publishes another, launches this whole mushroom revolution. Now

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<v Speaker 3>that we live in where people are actually considering turning

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<v Speaker 3>mushrooms into a treatment for as you pointed out, complex PTSD.

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<v Speaker 3>So these two kooks lead to this point where people

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be like, hey, I may have some

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<v Speaker 3>alleviation for my suffering God bless see. Yeah, now do

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<v Speaker 3>you have a different view of magic room?

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<v Speaker 2>I have.

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<v Speaker 4>It.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fascinated by it. Okay, I terrified for myself, but

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<v Speaker 2>fascinated for others. Okay, interesting, Yeah, I don't think negatively.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take a little break. When we get back, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>introduce you to magic. The gathering and we see how

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<v Speaker 3>long this good will carry over?

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<v Speaker 7>That that's the line, Elizabeth Zaren, we're back.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, how are you feeling so good?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't you always worry? Like Zaren? Where is is this

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<v Speaker 3>a crime? I want you to know that magic mushrooms

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<v Speaker 3>they are right now going through a part of legalization

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<v Speaker 3>where people are trying to legalize them. Right so I

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<v Speaker 3>looked into it. Or again they passed that initiative to

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<v Speaker 3>legalize it for mental health treatments. That was twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty twenty two, Colorado voted to decriminalize magic mushrooms. Currently

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<v Speaker 3>in the our assembling California, they are looking to legalize

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of psychedelics, not just magic mushrooms, but lsd MDMA, DMD, mescaline, ibogaine.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going nuts over there in California.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in Oakland proper, I guess there's a law

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<v Speaker 2>about how I.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't look at the civic Yeah, down to the cities.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, that we have decriminalized it.

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<v Speaker 2>From what I have, yes, it's that you can't sell it,

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<v Speaker 2>but possession of the spores is legal.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly so, But in all but two states it's still

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<v Speaker 3>illegal to have mushrooms. So everything we're talking about here,

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<v Speaker 3>these are criminals, Elizabeth. I just wanted to make that clear.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So now the DA they will describe I haven't described

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<v Speaker 3>mushrooms for you, so I thought i'd let the experts

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<v Speaker 3>do it. Please do the DA will describe mushrooms thusly,

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<v Speaker 3>in a really dry way. Mushrooms containing psilocybin are available

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<v Speaker 3>fresh or dried, and have long, slender stems topped by

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<v Speaker 3>caps with dark gills on the underside. Fresh mushrooms have

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<v Speaker 3>white or whitish gray stems. The caps are dark brown

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<v Speaker 3>around the edges, in light brown or white in the center.

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<v Speaker 3>Dried mushrooms are usually rusty brown with isolated areas of

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<v Speaker 3>off white. Did that help you at all? Not really?

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<v Speaker 3>Not really right? Especially it's like light colored mushrooms wh

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<v Speaker 3>they're dried right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it kind of sounds like I had like this

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<v Speaker 2>huge mushroom outbreak in my raised beds over the winter

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<v Speaker 2>of the summer.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember you t tolding me about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like oyster mushrooms. There was a size of a dinner plate.

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<v Speaker 3>They were insane for you.

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<v Speaker 2>What if they were magic?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, you can be getting sideways.

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<v Speaker 2>I would i'd have like five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>You could have gotten your whole block sideways. Yep, Like

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<v Speaker 3>you went to five million dollars, I went to your

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<v Speaker 3>whole block. Now, typically with mushrooms, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>you know this, you eat them, right, I would assume,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can also drink. You can drink them as

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<v Speaker 3>a tea, okay, right, you can even usually you'd noticed

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<v Speaker 3>with chocolates, so with other foods. My friend Chris So

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<v Speaker 3>once put magic mushrooms on a slice of pizza and

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<v Speaker 3>didn't tell me about it, and then I ate those.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a great time laughing at me will waiting

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<v Speaker 3>for me to start tripping. And then I tripped in

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<v Speaker 3>his in his house with him sober and me by myself,

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<v Speaker 3>just going off tripping, and we had a great but rascal.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the same guy we had a I once

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<v Speaker 3>we had a a paint fight. We were painting, pouring

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<v Speaker 3>five gallon buckets of paint on the inside of each

0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.120
<v Speaker 3>other's cars and on each other's cars. He poured paint

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<v Speaker 3>from a roof under me. I threw painted so very bad.

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<v Speaker 3>We were past the point of this being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a terrible thing to do to somebody is what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, but it's wild. There was some good American fun.

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<v Speaker 2>My point.

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth is the DEA, So the drugon Force and agency.

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<v Speaker 3>They have thoughts about eating magic mushrooms giving them to

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<v Speaker 3>your friends unknowingly because.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people it's like assault, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well some people freak out? Yeah, well yeah. According to DA,

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<v Speaker 3>there's psychological consequences, including hallucinations and an inability to discern

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<v Speaker 3>fantasy from reality. Panic reactions and a psychotic like episode

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<v Speaker 3>may also occur, particularly if a user ingests a high dose.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh see, I would have the panic attack to end

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<v Speaker 2>all panic attacks, because I'm always at a state of

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<v Speaker 2>like mild panic attack red on a scale of one

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<v Speaker 2>to ten. Are you having a panic attack? I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>always at two?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, Okay, that's lower than I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Throughout the day, it ebbs and flows, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>at least once a day I get it up to

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<v Speaker 2>crank it up to about seven eights.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, there you go. I thought you'd be like,

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<v Speaker 3>I start around three or four, I work it up

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<v Speaker 3>to seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Erections on the world, Sarah, I'm trying to be optimistic,

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<v Speaker 2>right though.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, as with anything Elizabeth, if you don't know this.

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<v Speaker 3>In toxicology, the dose makes the poison, they say, right right, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>with mushrooms, that's kind of difficult to know what an

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<v Speaker 3>appropriate dosage is because you're just eating handfuls of dried mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>Some have real high concentrations, some don't, and they look exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Like saren that is exactly like halapeno peppers.

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<v Speaker 3>This really is, Elizabeth, some ub or you know.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of peppers. You know, you take a bite,

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<v Speaker 2>you go, okay, that's fine, you take it. Oh howdy?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, oh can I get rid of this part of

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<v Speaker 3>my tongue?

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<v Speaker 2>So that's exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've established that, uh, you know, magic mushrooms may

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<v Speaker 3>not be the I don't know best drug for performance

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<v Speaker 3>enhancing since you really can't know how much you're taking,

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<v Speaker 3>right and if you get it wrong you may have

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<v Speaker 3>a freak out. Yeah, okay, so enough about that, Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 3>into magic the gathering, so the tabletop gamed. What do

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<v Speaker 3>you know about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? I just reacted.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was by this guy, a cat named Richard Garfield.

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<v Speaker 3>Now actually a guy Richard.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait, Garfield's first name is Richard.

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<v Speaker 3>Dicky Garfield back in nineteen ninety three. Right, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of things. It's a trading card game. It's also

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<v Speaker 3>a tabletop game. It's a collectible. It's genius from a

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<v Speaker 3>capitalism standpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that ownership of the cards in the Venn

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<v Speaker 2>diagram with those who keep toys in boxes, it's an overlap,

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<v Speaker 2>like on shelves. You're talking about a perfect circle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think he may be right.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm right. Baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I got friends. I can ask him they play this game.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know that magic clocks a billion dollars a

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<v Speaker 3>year annually?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But is it fun for you? Elizabeth? I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I gotta be honest. I've never played it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh great, I have the rules here right in front

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<v Speaker 3>of me. How do you play the game of.

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<v Speaker 2>All the magic? People out there? Like, don't listen to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a curmudgeon. I'm no fun. You're not hurting anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>you do you?

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<v Speaker 3>You're not making fun of that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just not in shape and run around and throw

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<v Speaker 2>your cards down, you know to hey man.

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<v Speaker 3>H Well, since you asked, how do you play the game?

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<v Speaker 2>About?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you play great question, Elizabeth. Are the wizards the

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<v Speaker 3>game You and another player are dueling wizards?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course there wizards. Do you have a staff with

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<v Speaker 2>like a crystal orb? You can bring that if you

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<v Speaker 2>beat someone to duck?

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot, but you were not.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the toes of your shoes curl up.

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<v Speaker 3>Onto each other if you are high ranking?

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<v Speaker 2>High ranking wizards?

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<v Speaker 3>These are just any old wizards, Elizabeth. They have a

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<v Speaker 3>special name. They're called planes walkers.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they smell like mothballs?

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<v Speaker 3>No? They do not smell. Yes, like like wing walkers

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<v Speaker 3>are the air circus. But these planes walkers, they walk

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<v Speaker 3>the planes of existence walkers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the shoes the zodiac war by.

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<v Speaker 3>The way, oh look at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Fact you to take it back to something cool.

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<v Speaker 3>You must be fun at dinner parties.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been invited.

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<v Speaker 6>We used to have in an office I worked at.

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<v Speaker 6>The creative side was all like hardwoods, and the executive

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<v Speaker 6>side was all carpets, so we called the executives carpet walkers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good, that's a good card. So these these planes walkers, right,

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<v Speaker 3>You duel the other wizard by drawing cards from your

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<v Speaker 3>deck of magic cards. And these cards are spells which

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<v Speaker 3>you take turns playing and then responding to the spells

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<v Speaker 3>other wizards drop. I won't get into all the details

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<v Speaker 3>of how the magic spell cards work because I know

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<v Speaker 3>you'd have so many questions. We'd be here all day. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>So all the different kinds of cars and wizards they

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<v Speaker 3>wage battle. They take combat damage against the wizard's life total, right,

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<v Speaker 3>which is usually like twenty to start. So that's why

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<v Speaker 3>they they have these twenty sided dye that they use

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<v Speaker 3>to keep track.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I didn't know that. I thought it was just

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<v Speaker 2>cards war. Oh yeah, those are you just slapped down?

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of? Yeah, you'll I'll explain.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, like magic, huh, good play my.

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<v Speaker 3>Second card now, so magic the gathering. Obviously, I'm no expert, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I barely have I'm not even passing deck. No, I

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<v Speaker 3>do not. But I did research it. I watched a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of competitive matches. I did. I watched a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of competitive matches.

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<v Speaker 2>Why am I surprised?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I had to know the language and see the rhythms

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<v Speaker 3>and see like how people score, and like what they

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<v Speaker 3>get excited about.

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<v Speaker 2>What do they wear when they're doing I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. They wear like wrap around sunglasses.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like poker where you want to hide your face.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not like bluffing people, so you don't need you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have like Magic Gathering people who are like

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<v Speaker 3>low cut cleavage shirts so you can distract people.

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<v Speaker 2>They wear wizards hats.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but I mean something. I think some events probably

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<v Speaker 3>people get a little more dressed up.

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<v Speaker 2>Leather, fingerless gloves, yes or no, like.

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<v Speaker 3>The bike gloves on the cards that I saw, But

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Well, in my head, you're,

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<v Speaker 3>as I said, your typical magic. The gathering features the

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<v Speaker 3>two wizards and they're dueling, right, and that you can

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<v Speaker 3>also have a whole melee of planes walkers if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to. Right, they get a bunch of wizards together

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll fight at once. But these days, Elizabeth, you

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<v Speaker 3>can play on a table on a computer on your

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<v Speaker 3>phone while you're sitting in the subway. But the story

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 3>is about a tabletop game. So let me lay out

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<v Speaker 3>the table for you so you get an idea. I

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 3>went to the official Magic Gathering website. Well, this isn't

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<v Speaker 3>a metaphoric table. So step one the setup. The instructional

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 3>YouTube video that I watched promised me that setting up

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<v Speaker 3>the playing area is easy, and it turns out it is,

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<v Speaker 3>which is good because you and I both like easy.

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<v Speaker 3>So apparently you lay out your gameplay area with three

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<v Speaker 3>stacks of cards.

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have your your deck of magic cards? You

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<v Speaker 3>don't call it a deck? Oh look, Elizabeth, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>is you're ever playing magic the gathering, please don't call

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<v Speaker 3>it a deck. If you remember one thing I tell

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<v Speaker 3>you today, remember that because I don't want some wizards

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<v Speaker 3>looking at you like who brought the new deck? So

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<v Speaker 3>just remember that. What are we going to call it?

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<v Speaker 3>Great question, Elizabeth. A wizard in the no calls their

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<v Speaker 3>deck a library a library. Yeah. Now, next you shuffle

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 3>your deck I mean library.

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 2>And three stacks out of your.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'm getting to the library and I'm getting

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<v Speaker 3>to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you divide the stack of there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Different ones different You got your stack, your first one

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<v Speaker 3>the library, so keep that one in mind, the library. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Then you draw your cards. The numbers can be determined

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 3>by the dueling wizards. It's usually seven cards, you know, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So once you draw, that's called your hand. So now

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<v Speaker 3>you got your hand? Yeah, okay, So your deck is

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 3>the cards that you're dealing to yourself for your hand.

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<v Speaker 3>You got it your library.

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<v Speaker 2>Own personal library.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so then you got a second group of cards.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of this as your discard pile. This one also

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<v Speaker 3>has a name. You want to guess what is called

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<v Speaker 3>the cauldron the graveyard. Good guest, though, oh thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, beacause you know you know that I've told you

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<v Speaker 2>before that when people try and explain.

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<v Speaker 3>Games, that's why I'm explaining it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'll like, in my mind, I'm floating in a

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<v Speaker 2>field and chasing a butterfly, and I just.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you think I've tathered you to this moment?

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 3>And I'm excited a game to you that we're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to play. This is even better.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, the graveyard, and I'm watching I'm watching the blood

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 6>pressure cuff as this happens, so I can live narrate

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 6>how this is going.

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<v Speaker 3>Third stack up cards that were removed from the game. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>if you were paying attention, the first one I said

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 3>was a discard pile. So wait, what's different about this

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 3>discard pile from this other removed? Well, this third pile

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 3>it's called the exiles. So wait, exile's graveyard. What what's

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 3>the difference? Again? Great, question, Elizabeth, really bringing your your

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 3>A game to this. So the difference is the cards

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 3>in your graveyard can be resurrected. The cards in the

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 3>exiles pile cannot. They've been removed from the game playing dimension.

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 2>They rise up and return back after exile.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on now, So finally on the table is the area

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 3>called the battlefield. That's where all this stuff is happening.

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 3>So you lay down cards that your opponent, the dueling wizard,

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 3>lays down cards.

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<v Speaker 2>What's on these cards?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad you asked, Elizabeth. So, uh, you got

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<v Speaker 3>all this? You want me to repeat a section on Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>So each turn, each turn is broken up into five phases.

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<v Speaker 3>We're the first main phase. That's where you can play

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 3>like a land card or you can cast a spell card. Yeah,

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 3>I know it makes land or spell the different things. Okay, yeah, right,

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 3>So like if a land card, it doesn't matter you

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 3>put it down, it may last. In a spell card,

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 3>it gets turned into either an effect or a creature.

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>So land is it's not like, oh, this is a

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 2>mountain or this is Galilee. I don't know.

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 3>I wish I had answers for you. Yeah. So the

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 3>second main phase, you play a land card during say

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 3>your first main phase, right, but instead of me just

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 3>giving all this stuff, I don't know, I know, I

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 3>have like their language like that way i'll know I'm

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 3>tell you the correct no, no.

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean I'm gonna have to. You can't even.

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Understand the game yet there, so we're still on the second,

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 3>you're going to dazzle and then according to the official

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 3>website for the Magic the Gathering quote, all types of

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 3>cards except lands are spells while you're casting them. For example,

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 3>angler Turtle is a creature card. While you're casting it,

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 3>it's a creature's spell. When it resolves, it becomes a creature.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Spells can only be cast during your main phase, except

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 3>for instance, which can be cast any time.

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 2>What intarnation is an angler turtle spell.

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 3>It's just like the name of a creature. So you go,

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna play my Angler Turtle and the and then

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 3>like they go, oh you got, you know, like a

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 3>block or a combat damage kind.

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Of situation comes and gets here.

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you asked that. This brings us to the

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 3>third and fourth main phases. Attacks in blocks quote, creatures

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 3>deal combat damage by attacking and blocking. Each creature deals

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 3>combat damage equal to its power. This damage is dealt

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 3>during the combat damage setup, and any other kind of

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 3>damage doesn't count as combat damage, even if it's dealt

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 3>during the combat phase or is the result of a

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 3>creature's ability. So basically, the card will have like plus

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 3>five on the top right when the person's like, oh,

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 3>I got to take plus five damage. Essentially that may

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 3>not be exactly correct, but that's listening. I just simplify.

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I talk a lot of smack on these fans, and

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>it's just because I'm not smart enough to do this.

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I know that. That's why I'm taking all this time

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 3>to explain it. Smart enough to understand.

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>We got a turtle, it's five.

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 3>So now we get the fifth phase. The end step,

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 3>remove any damage from the creatures still in play, resolve

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 3>any of the interurn effects, and pass the turn to

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 3>your opponents. You got that, you kind of like you

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 3>drop cards. You're like, I'm dropping the Angler Turtle, and

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 3>then the person's like, oh, that is five points damage.

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 3>The other person's like, wait, I can do an instant,

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 3>which is that when they can do a block, and

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 3>I go, this blocks your Angler Turtle.

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>What are you even talking?

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter you got all that, Elizabeth, So we're

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 3>gonna move on. Yeah, you're ready to get tripping and

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 3>see what competitive magic gathering.

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Is, Like, I need magic mushrooms.

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 3>The reason we know about it. The story I'm about

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 3>to tell you is that this walker decided to do

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 3>some shrooms and compete at a magic the gathering event,

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 3>and then he wrote about his psychonaut adventure for an

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 3>article published by O. G. Gowker in May of twenty fifteen.

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Rip do g Gocker? Right?

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>So the byeline for this gonzo semi anonymously penned article

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 3>who gives only the initials because once again the drug

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 3>is illegal, Elizabeth. So he's known as coward CML. But

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 3>since you would say that, I found his government name,

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 3>it's Chris Morris Lent, So there you go. However, out

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 3>of respect for his byline, we'll call him CML. So,

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 3>as CMO explains in his article, quote, bringing to shrooms

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 3>was a spontaneous decision, but I would never have eaten

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 3>them without some prior experience. Oh yeah, By prior experience,

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 3>he means his previous spontaneous shroom nibbling. He's seen Elizabeth.

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 3>CML was watching the NFC Championship game. The twenty fourteen

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 3>NFC Championship game with Aaron Rodgers and the Packers facing

0:34:58.560 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Marshawn Lynch in the Seattle s.

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Are you, CML?

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 3>No, I have not so since I know you don't

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 3>know hot football. It's a very famous game. But I'll

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 3>just I'll tell you this a couple of highlights. You

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 3>know why he did what he did with the mushrooms.

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.919
<v Speaker 2>Wait a second, This is when Aaron.

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Rodgers was on the Packers and then Marshawn Lynch, your

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 3>guy was on the Seattle Seahawks.

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Was this the quake?

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Not that? But so the game opens up. Aaron Rodgers,

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 3>he throws an interception to your guy Richard Sherman.

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I like him.

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:30.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Then Russell Wilson, Ciara's husband, he gives He gives

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 3>the Packers the ball back when he throws an interception

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 3>to Haha Clinton Dix.

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know that's his street name.

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Ha Ha is right because his name's Clinton, is it?

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:43.399
<v Speaker 3>His government name is Hashwan Treyshawn Clinton Dix. Anyway, we're

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 3>watching this game. In the first quarter, CML gets the

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 3>idea he needs to eat some mushrooms. Well, of course

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 3>is like, I'm gonna help the team right where he

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 3>put it quote, I ate some caps and stems. Five

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 3>minutes in, I felt great. Fifteen minutes in I flat

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 3>out doors. So it didn't quite work out right. So

0:35:57.760 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 3>that's how it goes the mushroom. Suddenly you have to

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:01.399
<v Speaker 3>go and commune with nature, right or is he put

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 3>it quote? After communing with nature, it came back in

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 3>and I lay on a couch in a room where

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 3>I could hear reports of endless defeat and size of

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 3>frustration issuing from the television and the sectional. It sounded

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 3>like fiction. The game needed a new narrator. This is

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.879
<v Speaker 3>also how mushrooms go. You think you can influence things

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.720
<v Speaker 3>like NFL games with the power of your mind perhaps,

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:24.760
<v Speaker 3>and who knows, maybe you can. I don't know. Maybe

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 3>fans each week are doing you know, psychic battle, right,

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 3>and that's how they're doing me. It could be well anyway, CML.

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:32.320
<v Speaker 3>He goes back in to do battle with the TV

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 3>and change up the scene for everyone, as he puts it, quote,

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 3>midway through the third quarter, I walked back to the TV, concentrated,

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 3>and I envisioned a fake field goal. It worked, Elizabeth.

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 3>It was one of the key plays of the game.

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 3>The coach called a fake field goal right, and he

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:50.280
<v Speaker 3>has this holder who's also the team's punter, take the snap,

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 3>and then he springs up and he runs to his left,

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 3>and the whole defense chases after him, and then they

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 3>think it's a blown snap, and then the punter throws back.

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 3>But he throws back across the field to a rookie.

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 3>Not just any rookie, Elizabeth, it's a tackle, which is

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.359
<v Speaker 3>an offensive line. They're not supposed to catch the ball.

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 3>They never touch the ball. He gets the ball that

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.320
<v Speaker 3>this guy is a secret he played tight end in college.

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 3>So he changes the ball right, yes, and then he

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:14.240
<v Speaker 3>runs broksymore. He lumbers down the field right and then boom,

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:17.360
<v Speaker 3>he scores a touchdown. Seahawks are on the scoreboard. Packer's

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 3>still up sixteen to seven, though, CML goes, thanks to me,

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 3>we're back in it.

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so the game is far from over. Seahawks still

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 3>down now. Cml's like. As the game grew, grimmer I

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 3>fantasized about scenarios where the Seahawks won. Can you guess

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 3>what happens, Elizabeth? No, these fantasies grew out increasingly albandas

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:36.839
<v Speaker 3>she says, until one of them came to life. As

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 3>I knew it would, defeat had never been an option. Next,

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 3>after that success with mushroom mind melding or whatever he

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 3>thinks he did, our hero decides that he's gonna take

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 3>that same never say die attitude to the world of

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 3>competitive Magic the Gathering.

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense.

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's take a little break and when we get back,

0:37:55.160 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna go into Magic the Gathering with mushrooms. Elizabeth

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 3>arn So we've gotten through all this stuff. Now we're

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 3>at the like the moment. Yeah, we're like at the

0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 3>castle walls about to go busting in. Now, why did

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 3>this guy want to go to a Magic the Gathering

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 3>and do mushrooms? I mean, you wouldn't think that's a

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 3>good idea. Why did he?

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean I've had a lot of

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:36.720
<v Speaker 2>bad ideas in my life.

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 3>We see this guy. He used to be a professional

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 3>online poker player. Yeah, and then he washed out of that,

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 3>and he's like, I gotta get back and refresh my

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 3>love of the cards.

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 2>So he's smart enough to remember how to play a

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 2>card game totally.

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 3>So he turned to Magic the Gathering to like refresh

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.839
<v Speaker 3>his love of the game. And then he went and

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.320
<v Speaker 3>he I'll let him tell it. CML says quote in January,

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.399
<v Speaker 3>I won a qualifier and earned a comped ticket touss

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 3>to battle the most powerful planes walkers in the multiverse.

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 3>What he got free tickets to Brussels, Belgium in Europe

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 3>to go over there and compete with the best ling

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 3>wizards the gathering. He takes the trip, has a terrible time,

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.480
<v Speaker 3>of course, hates it right so bad. In fact, he

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 3>writes an article just tearing down the Magic Pro Tour.

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, he puts in that quote. Magic appeals only

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:28.320
<v Speaker 3>a niche demographic because its events don't matter and even

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:31.440
<v Speaker 3>suck in a lot of ways for the competitors. Contrast

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:35.759
<v Speaker 3>with esports, which have iconic pros and have reaped the

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 3>rewards of their real advertising budgets. My article elicited some

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 3>polarized responses, which brought me great joy.

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 2>So did you know that there are colleges that have

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:47.280
<v Speaker 2>sports teams.

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm very familiar.

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 2>College collegiate.

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 3>You can be like signed and get a scholarship to

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 3>be an esports star.

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for like you know.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the President.

0:39:56.880 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth let candy cash.

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:05.279
<v Speaker 3>So one day he learns our dude CMO learned that

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 3>the Magic pro Tour has an event planned in his

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.400
<v Speaker 3>neck of the woods. Right pro Tour stop in Portland,

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 3>he can go troll the magic community on his own backyard.

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 2>A magic tournament in Portland, Oregon.

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Elizabeth, do you hear it? And he's like, I

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 3>should bring shrooms to that.

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.800
<v Speaker 2>It's resonating through the canyons of my mind.

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 3>You ready to get groovy and some shrooms and go

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 3>to magic the gathering stop pro Tour in Portland. So

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 3>the day of the competition, weekend starts about how you

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 3>might imagine it. CMO says, quote, our journey begins on

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 3>a Saturday at six am, a time I'm more likely

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 3>to stay up until then to get up by In

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 3>my living room were three friends, a strip club DJ,

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 3>a software engineer, and a costplay photographer, which is almost

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 3>enough to fool you into thinking that the world of

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 3>competitive magic is diverse. I felt horrendous. There was only

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 3>one thing that can restore my equilibrium. I wish you

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 3>could see your face right know. I can you guess

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 3>what that one thing was that would restore that? You

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:06.439
<v Speaker 3>can deliver in for this guy.

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, why so early? Why do they

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 2>start this thing?

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 3>So you got to do a road trip. They got

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 3>to drive there, They drive a couple of hours, they

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 3>got to get there in time for the Competitionoms, yeah, mushrooms.

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean he's like, hey's Strip Club DJ, hand me

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 3>my backpack. He's like, I don't have it. Cosplay photographer

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 3>down the list again. So he's all teed up ready

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 3>for his day, sets the mood for the road trip,

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 3>and then CMO in his article and I feel like

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:35.400
<v Speaker 3>I have to include this because it's such a genius choice.

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 3>He quotes from the Insane Clown Posse. He says, quote,

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 3>if magic is all we've ever known, then it's easy

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 3>to miss what really goes on. But I've seen miracles

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 3>in every way, and I've seen miracles every day.

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 2>That's insane. That does not I thought they were all

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 2>bull Scoomy, I got your fist off the beats.

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Maybe a little bit more or so in the look,

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:02.760
<v Speaker 3>but a lot of their stuff is very positive.

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 2>It's all okay anyway.

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, so these guys are all now in the car,

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 3>right so Strip Club DJ, costplay photographer, software engineer, and

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 3>are shroomed out magically gathering competitor. Yeah, and then he's like,

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, he's like, okay, I need to get my

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 3>head right. So he gobbles a handful of mushrooms.

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, they put on their trench coats, they get in

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 2>the car, and.

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 3>Then, of course, because you know everybody knows the Hunter S.

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Thompson thing, he puts in. He writes out, quote, we

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 3>were somewhere around Lacey when the drug started.

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 2>How you've gone like four pages into the list.

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm so deep. So at this point they're good zooted

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 3>on magic mushrooms, feeling the colors with their fingers, tasting

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.840
<v Speaker 3>the sky with his mind. Eventually they arrive at the

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:47.360
<v Speaker 3>Greater Portland Convention Center. Yeah, so they've safely arrived. CML

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.239
<v Speaker 3>eats another handful of mushrooms. Of course, gobble. Now you

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 3>got to be stayed, you know, properly twisted. So but

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:54.959
<v Speaker 3>he declines to smoke a joint with his friend because

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't want to mess up his mind.

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 2>That's a bridge too far.

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we got his mix just right. You know, Bill

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 3>might be run and Rich Dumley run and lean inside

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 3>the convention center at the Magic Tournament he sees the

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 3>first round pairings are up on the big board, and Elizabeth,

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.240
<v Speaker 3>I want you to be able to see this scene.

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 3>As CML puts it, quote, magic tournaments are, for lack

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 3>of a better phrase, visually stunning. The sheer number of

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 3>people four hundred and seventy two players in Portland, several

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:24.240
<v Speaker 3>thousand at some other events. The chaotic lurch towards match

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:29.240
<v Speaker 3>pairings and orderly arrangement side by side at long, narrow tables,

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 3>the glaring lights and ugly carpets. You have to see

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:36.240
<v Speaker 3>it to believe it. Clad in orange and sweat eye

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 3>was a part of it.

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Pad an orange and swell, oh yeah.

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 3>He's got an orange T shirt on. I'll get back

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 3>to that in a second. Twisted head full of psilocybe

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 3>and hallucinating, ready to go. I look down at my hand,

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:50.279
<v Speaker 3>the flesh darkened and shriveled against the bright day outside.

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.719
<v Speaker 3>Was I to be slain and lobottomized and reanimated into

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 3>a dread zombie to do the bidding of vile necromancy?

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 3>Or was this the first sign of my transcendence to

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 3>a higher realm, the tender that would ignite my planes

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 3>walker spark, I swiped right on myself and walked toward

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 3>the first round. Okay, love the pros I could see

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 3>on your face. He turns that squirreling mind against his

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 3>first opponent. I'd seen my opponent's deck the day before,

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.479
<v Speaker 3>so I stared at him through my shades and read

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 3>his soul. Oh shades told you, yeah, sunglasses on you.

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.719
<v Speaker 3>So he's reading his opponent's soul. Wins the first first match,

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 3>goes outside, thinks about Walt Whitman, gobbles some more handfuls

0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:29.880
<v Speaker 3>of mushrooms, goes back inside, now ready for round two.

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 3>He's confronted with the fact he can no longer trust

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 3>his ears because now he cannot tell auditory hallucinations from reality.

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 2>His opponents is terrifying.

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 3>His opponent says to him, I read your article, and then

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.240
<v Speaker 3>he's like, what, so you think the article that trashed

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 3>the Magic Pro Tour in Europe? Right, So goes and

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 3>tries to apologize, I'm sorry, and the opponent thinks that

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 3>he mishurt him, right, So he's like, no, I said

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 3>I read your article. So CML says, I've definitely eaten

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 3>too many, right, So he's just like starting to get

0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 3>a little scattered. He's polite though, so he manages to

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.640
<v Speaker 3>tell us a like what did you enjoy the article?

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 3>And you go, oh, I did, right, and then he

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 3>just destroys the guy. He's like, all right, next win.

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.239
<v Speaker 3>So round two done in one right. Round three. A

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.359
<v Speaker 3>camera crew picks him up and they start filming him

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:13.360
<v Speaker 3>because they're like, oh yeah, so now there's gonna be

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.720
<v Speaker 3>an audience at home watching him on YouTube or whatever.

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 3>CML wins again. He's just stacking up early wins, right.

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.319
<v Speaker 3>His software engineering buddy comes over. He's like, hey, would

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:26.400
<v Speaker 3>you classify shrewds as a performance enhancing drug? Now? He

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 3>doesn't answer the question because he's convinced that there's this

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:31.279
<v Speaker 3>guy walking up to him in a really brusque and

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.359
<v Speaker 3>officious manner, right, and he thinks, oh, that guy's from

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 3>the CIA, right, So he's convinced of it. Right, The

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 3>guy is not from the CIA, as't no, yeah, true,

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 3>he's a journalist from the team that had covered the

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Magic Pro Tour event in Europe and recognized him and

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:47.319
<v Speaker 3>also obviously read the article bashing the stuff. So he's like, yeah,

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 3>heyde you do you read Chuck Closterman. I want to

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 3>know if you reach checks. So the two of them

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 3>have their thoughts. Do you have thoughts on Chuckloster?

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 4>You know?

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.879
<v Speaker 3>Well, so anyway, as you might guess, CML, he reads

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 3>Chuck Closterman, the guy from the the guy who's not

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 3>from the CIA. He says of Chuck Closterman, quote, you

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 3>know how he covers things, but he thinks he's better

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 3>than everyone else. So in my opinion, that makes him

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of an So the two men then discussed the

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 3>merits of being it like Chuck Closterman. They decide his

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 3>writing would be better if Klosterman was actually smart and

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 3>not just a collector of culture. They're just bad mouth

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 3>and poor Chuck Closterman.

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Then they describe should CML dude like write some coverage? Right,

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 3>and in a very Hollywood way, they're like, yes, let's

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 3>talk about this at a later date. Now, my man, CML.

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 3>He drops his sunglasses and hits the door marked exit.

0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 3>This is day one, right, So he into friends. They

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 3>go out to celebrate the success so far. They eat

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 3>some Greek food. They empty two bottles of wine at dinner.

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 3>As they drink, you know, he's still discussing his shroom

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.799
<v Speaker 3>enhanced performance and he's also still tripping because he's been

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 3>gobbling shrooms all day. So at this point at the tour,

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.399
<v Speaker 3>for the tour event, just for those keeping score, he's

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 3>eight and one.

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not bad, right. So after dinner they want to

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 3>go celebrate more. They go out for more drinks. They

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.760
<v Speaker 3>get some whiskey sours. He's convinced this will help sober

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 3>him up.

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, nothing's so like a whiskey.

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Sour, right, But I always say that's my granddad used

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 3>to say, that's.

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 2>That they taught me in elementary school.

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 3>His plan fails, Elizabeth, though, he but he still enjoys

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 3>this beautiful moment of reverie. And he said, and I quote,

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 3>all of life appeared before me. Boozy and diaphanous two

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:26.000
<v Speaker 3>health goths walked by Portland is all about chill hedonism,

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:29.840
<v Speaker 3>about not working and thinking playing magic there, all the

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:34.480
<v Speaker 3>stress and dyspepsia, that was well, that was hellenormative. Shroom's off,

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 3>whiskey on, I'd be able to sleep. I hubered back

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.319
<v Speaker 3>to the hotel and did just that. So now we're

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 3>ready for day two, Elizabeth healths health Goths. Yes, how

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.960
<v Speaker 3>do you think he starts Day two? That's right, more shooms.

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 3>I started my morning with sir, shrooms, he says, And

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 3>he goes downhill from there, and I quote, there seemed

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 3>to be no point in not eating them until I

0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:57.840
<v Speaker 3>understood there was nothing to get rid of the putrid taste,

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.799
<v Speaker 3>or was there beside my leg with some moist and

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 3>fishy my Greek leftovers. There was no fork in the rooms.

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 3>I stole one from the hotel lobby and chased down

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.720
<v Speaker 3>the shrooms with the salmon skewer. There was more salmon

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.160
<v Speaker 3>left after Wait, so then I ate more shrooms.

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Wait, okay, So he eats something leftover salmon, It's gonna

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:19.720
<v Speaker 2>upset your stomach. And then he takes salmon leftover salmon

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 2>that has not been refrigerated, has in his pocket.

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 3>Up against his body, Warmed by his body.

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 2>He warmed, I'm getting food poisoning.

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah. So now he goes back to the Pro Tour,

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 3>the tourney event at the Greater Portland Convention Center. He

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:39.280
<v Speaker 3>wins the first round easily.

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 3>A tournament judge walks by and says, with a smirk,

0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 3>I hear you've added a Chitucky's to your diet today.

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh and is he still wearing the pants that he has.

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 3>He's still wearing the orange shirt Elizabeth, but his.

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Pants had salmon in it. He's got to be a pleasure.

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 3>Also now that he thinks that the judges are onto

0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 3>him right, and that could be a problem because you know,

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:02.399
<v Speaker 3>we're joking about it now. The judges are joking about

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.440
<v Speaker 3>it then, but their story could change later if he

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 3>wins it. All they're like, this is performance enhancing drugs.

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 3>So he denies it to the judge's face, right to him.

0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh yeah, he's like Peter talking to the Romans.

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. So

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:16.879
<v Speaker 3>next he sits for a match against a friend. That's good,

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.919
<v Speaker 3>nice friendly match. His friend goes, hey, the rumor's true.

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I hear you been shroming your way through the tournament.

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.840
<v Speaker 3>So he's like, everybody's talking about it. So he's like,

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:26.839
<v Speaker 3>hey man, and his friend actually says that I thought

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 3>you'd like this. Why Why would you think shrooming for

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 3>multiple days in a convention center playing magic was a

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:32.800
<v Speaker 3>good idea?

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I love this guy.

0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:37.720
<v Speaker 3>His answer is both poetic and philosophical. He says, why anything.

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:41.200
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, why is he surprised that people know

0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 2>that he's doing mushrooms. And I feel like he's been

0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>telling everything.

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:46.719
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think so and his friends EA, strip club DJ,

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:48.239
<v Speaker 3>the cosplay photographer.

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 2>The rule in the software once you tell a strip

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 2>club DJ.

0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:57.280
<v Speaker 3>P Yes, so he and his friend now don't.

0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Tell a strip club DJ and anything he wouldn't in.

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.759
<v Speaker 3>The paper or right in the sky. So at this

0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 3>point where we oh, yeah, the tournament's going on day two,

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:10.080
<v Speaker 3>our anti hero CML, he is about to qualify for

0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:12.879
<v Speaker 3>the elimination rounds of the tournament. That's how well he's doing.

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:15.920
<v Speaker 3>Think playoffs right, right? So he in this dueling wizard

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:19.320
<v Speaker 3>or they're in a match and they discuss intentionally tanking

0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 3>this match, like ending in a forced draw so that

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:25.960
<v Speaker 3>they can both qualify for the elimination rounds. And his

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:29.240
<v Speaker 3>opponent tells him, you'd be the most awesome guy ever.

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:33.200
<v Speaker 3>In CML agrees I was the most awesome guy ever.

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 3>He really knew how to flat or someone on trooms.

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 3>So after that, he wins his next match that went

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:42.960
<v Speaker 3>catapult him onto the main stage. Now he's up back

0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:46.319
<v Speaker 3>onto the camera table where the match will be filmed broadcast.

0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:49.719
<v Speaker 3>There's announcers who are calling the game on This is

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 3>the footage that I watched on YouTube. Yeah, so his

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 3>first game before the cameras. Perhaps he gets a little

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:56.719
<v Speaker 3>self conscious, I don't know, distracted. Maybe the mushrooms are

0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 3>backing up on him. But he doesn't do well. He

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 3>actually he's hell leave it to him, he said, quote

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:05.760
<v Speaker 3>congratulations and good luck. I said, moved by my own generosity.

0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 3>It's easy to be a gracious loser when you're on shrooms.

0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 3>It's also easy to be a gracious loser when it

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter much. But if that's true, then why do

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:18.239
<v Speaker 3>we ever get salty after losing a magic Elizabeth? So

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 3>at this point in the playoffs, he's in the seventh spot. Right,

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 3>tournament official comes over to talk to him, and he

0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 3>was like, was I being ousted for five counts of

0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 3>delinquency and hooliganism? I was shrooming. Everybody knew I was shrooming.

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:33.239
<v Speaker 3>It's like you a little bit right, Mostly though, he's

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 3>imagining things, because the official then walked past him to

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 3>the guy behind him, tapped him on the shoulder and

0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:41.359
<v Speaker 3>then said, oh, yeah, you've got ninth. You're out right.

0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:43.279
<v Speaker 3>So he's like, oh, and that's the guy who he

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:47.120
<v Speaker 3>had split the draw with to get him. Man guilty. Anyway,

0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:50.840
<v Speaker 3>onto the quarterfinals. At this point, cml's head fully spinning,

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:54.640
<v Speaker 3>questioning reality. Convinced everyone knows he's on mushrooms.

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:58.240
<v Speaker 2>And he said, he still has to do calculations.

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:00.279
<v Speaker 3>I put down the cards and they get about how

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:04.839
<v Speaker 3>many cards they have. And yes, so anyway, he's rolling good,

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.839
<v Speaker 3>he says, like Jesus from the Big Lebowski. He rolls

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 3>his way into the semis. So at one point when

0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:12.879
<v Speaker 3>he looks down at his deck box, you know, he's

0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 3>a hallucinating so much that he sees this symbol and decides,

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 3>that's the tree of my ancestry. Yes, the tree of

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.560
<v Speaker 3>his ancestry does not help him. He plays badly that round,

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:25.239
<v Speaker 3>but the tree of his ancestry, So somebody pulls it

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.880
<v Speaker 3>out because I don't know. He must have dropped the

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:30.480
<v Speaker 3>craziest combos of creature cards ever, But I wish I

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:32.239
<v Speaker 3>could tell you, But let's be real, I know you

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't care. So my man CML must reminded troll. He

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.839
<v Speaker 3>wins his way into the finals the big Game, Elizabeth,

0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 3>At this point, you need to have a visual of

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 3>our hero CML wearing the orange T shirt over a

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:48.399
<v Speaker 3>button down collared shirt. So that looks so the collar

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:51.280
<v Speaker 3>started unevenly popping up out of the orange T shirt,

0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 3>which is always a great look, and then the orange

0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 3>T shirt looks like it's from the bottom of a

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.440
<v Speaker 3>pile of dirty clothes. His shortish brown hair is kind

0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 3>of matted, and he has the sunglass is on top

0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 3>of his head like a seventies movie star, but on

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 3>him it's like he forgot they were up there anyway.

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.040
<v Speaker 3>His face is decorated with a mustache, but that's obscured

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 3>by the uneven two week old beard. His eyes swimming

0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 3>in his face right to the top of it all off.

0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.840
<v Speaker 3>He has this sort of goofy grin. Okay, the mushrooms

0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.799
<v Speaker 3>and he hits the finals heavily. Mushroom codd look right,

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 3>and the whole finals is just quite a scene. I

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:25.200
<v Speaker 3>watched the thing on YouTube. It's amazing. But rather than

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<v Speaker 3>me tell you about it, Elizabeth, I'd like you to

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<v Speaker 3>close your eyes and I'd like you to picture it. No,

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<v Speaker 3>you are in the Greater Portland Convention Center. The air

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<v Speaker 3>is conditioned, and the sounds of the crowd give the room.

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<v Speaker 3>It's vibe hushed conversations like you'd hear at a chess

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<v Speaker 3>championship or a golf tournament. At the moment, you are

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<v Speaker 3>at a table and there is an expensive video camera

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<v Speaker 3>trained on you. There are also headphone wearing announcers watching

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<v Speaker 3>your every move and commenting on it for the viewers

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<v Speaker 3>at home. This all makes sense because you are facing

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<v Speaker 3>CML in the finals. You are a dueling with Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>I am that's right, Elizabeth, your planning for the whole mcgilla.

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<v Speaker 3>This it's you versus him to win all the kit

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<v Speaker 3>and caboodle of this pro magic tour. You look over

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<v Speaker 3>your library of cards one last time. Your mind is set.

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<v Speaker 3>You look up from your cards when you hear your

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<v Speaker 3>opponent CML say to no One in particular, I am

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<v Speaker 3>where I need to be? Come again, you replied, not

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<v Speaker 3>sure you heard your opponent correctly. Your opponent, he doesn't answer. Instead,

0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 3>he sort of stares at you with eyes like swirling

0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 3>pinwheels of an inebriated cartoon character. He mutters again once again, too,

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<v Speaker 3>no one in particular. A flashback within a flashback within

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:39.719
<v Speaker 3>a flashback that makes absolutely no sense to you. So

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<v Speaker 3>instead You play your first card. He counters with his card,

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<v Speaker 3>the Temple of Malady. You check your cards, nothing good

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<v Speaker 3>to counter. You have to draw. The announcers say it's

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 3>not the best mood, but you should be in fine shape.

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 3>Your pinwheeled eyed opponent grins at you, then plays a

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:59.200
<v Speaker 3>death missed Raptor, and he lays down his hand. You

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 3>put his whole spread. You put a hand to your forehead.

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<v Speaker 3>Has he got you? He has got you? Has any

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.000
<v Speaker 3>what card can you play? The announcers speculate what cards

0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:09.880
<v Speaker 3>you have in your hand, what cards you have in

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:13.000
<v Speaker 3>your deck? You stall for time. Your opponent has definitely

0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 3>got you up against a magical wall. Meanwhile, he confidently

0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:19.359
<v Speaker 3>grins at you like a drunk cheshire cat. You can

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:21.720
<v Speaker 3>see the game and move on to game two. But again,

0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:24.319
<v Speaker 3>early on, he's got you playing cards and stepping into

0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:26.799
<v Speaker 3>his trapped It's like he can see through the deck.

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:29.839
<v Speaker 3>It's like he can see into your soul. Then you

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<v Speaker 3>hear him say you're pretty sure to himself once again,

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:35.680
<v Speaker 3>I am one with my deck. I am the whip

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<v Speaker 3>of Arebos that resurrected the Hornet Queen. I am the

0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:44.400
<v Speaker 3>satire wayfinder that blazed a fretty trail through the Virgin Lands.

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:48.040
<v Speaker 3>I am the temple of Malady that sucked dry the

0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:52.280
<v Speaker 3>forest of impurity and affliction. Before you know it, twenty

0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:55.440
<v Speaker 3>five minutes later, it's all over. You've lost. You're not

0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:57.440
<v Speaker 3>sure how he did it, but his cards were like

0:55:57.480 --> 0:56:00.800
<v Speaker 3>piano keys under the fingers of Franz Lipt. He played

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:03.840
<v Speaker 3>the game so beautifully it was like he indeed was

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:08.520
<v Speaker 3>the whip of Arabos that resurrected the Hornet Queen. He

0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 3>did it, Elizabeth, They did it to you. Can you like?

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 3>It's just tell me how it felt to be at

0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:14.439
<v Speaker 3>a magic the Gather.

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I played that draw for.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, he won and successfully trolled the

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:26.000
<v Speaker 3>magic the Gathering community wins it all right, agent a chaos,

0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:29.000
<v Speaker 3>which I thought you would appreciate. He did it on

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:32.000
<v Speaker 3>magic mushrooms, which I appreciated. Now, one question, can you

0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:34.759
<v Speaker 3>imagine if you were his significant other, you had to

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 3>spend this weekend in the Portland Convention Center rooting for

0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:40.360
<v Speaker 3>your dueling wizard.

0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:42.759
<v Speaker 2>This person actually went up there.

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he has. I was just throwing it

0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:49.880
<v Speaker 3>out there as a speculation after his performance enhanced victory

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 3>CMO has to pop over and give a winner's interview

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.440
<v Speaker 3>on camera. Somehow, on camera he seems kind of sober.

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Of course, obviously he's not all told. Dude wins five

0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars. Wow, splits the with the top four players.

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh real, nice guy. He takes on twenty two to fifty.

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:07.400
<v Speaker 3>On the way home, CML still has a head full

0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:09.640
<v Speaker 3>of mushrooms, and so as the road is rolling on

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.880
<v Speaker 3>underneath the car, he says, and I quote, I closed

0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:17.960
<v Speaker 3>my eyes to Vista's endless geometry, all was well, there

0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:20.320
<v Speaker 3>you go. It's a little trip for you, Elizabeth. What's

0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 3>our ridiculous takeaway here?

0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Stay far away from Portland, Oregon when you're on

0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:30.320
<v Speaker 2>mushrooms and wanting to play magic together. I don't know.

0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 3>You can find this in Santa Cruz.

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:32.880
<v Speaker 2>That's true.

0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:38.560
<v Speaker 3>You can find this cry, that's true. There's somebody. What

0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:39.480
<v Speaker 3>is it about that?

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 2>What is it that the woods us to.

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 3>That you won't find? I want to know to people

0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 3>playing magic, the gathering in the desert, or is this

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:48.600
<v Speaker 3>more like the Pacific Northwest kind of thing?

0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it's I think you can only buy them

0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:50.920
<v Speaker 2>New Mexico.

0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:56.960
<v Speaker 3>Let us hear Arizona, South Nevada raised house. So my

0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:02.040
<v Speaker 3>ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth, thank you for asking. Right is I

0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 3>found a game that I don't think you'll ever play.

0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:04.680
<v Speaker 3>And you love games.

0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I do love games.

0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:08.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I'm going to buy a Magic the Gatherings.

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:12.000
<v Speaker 2>What if I get so into it that's all I do.

0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Then I'm gonna find somebody who like, really like a

0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 3>kid who wants you to play.

0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't have the wattage in my head to make

0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 2>it work.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure you do, well, you move for a talkback. We

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<v Speaker 3>can refresh that wattage, producer. Do you got to talk back? Ready? Sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, super I love you.

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<v Speaker 5>my friend and said, oh my gosh, we were just

0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:00.920
<v Speaker 5>talking about that, and she was like what, And then

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 5>I realized it had been me listening to a Ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks at the bar trivia for yeah, I love that.

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