Speaker 1: And we're back with another episode of Separation Anxiety. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Marcus Jordan and I'm Pippin and today we're
Speaker 1: talking about a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: Babe.
Speaker 3: I feel like we have so much to talk about this,
Speaker 3: so many things happening right now.
Speaker 1: Well, and obviously we're out west, you know, we're in LA,
Speaker 1: and I feel like when we're out here, things just,
Speaker 1: you know, start to happen.
Speaker 2: It's like a snowball effect out here.
Speaker 3: I think things move really quickly when you're in LA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely, And so let's jump right into it.
Speaker 1: First topic is Larcus is looking for a wedding venue. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we were at dinner the other night and paparazzi got
Speaker 1: us leaving a restaurant and asked us if there are
Speaker 1: wedding plans in the works, and so, you know, I
Speaker 1: think I responded in a cheeky way. I told them that,
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking for a location and that it's
Speaker 1: in the works, and so tell your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: I had one hundred calls and text messages and people
Speaker 3: congratulating us, and I was like, I'm so excited, but no,
Speaker 3: we're not engaged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's funny.
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's cute, but like, we're not engaged,
Speaker 3: but you did, but you did give me a promise ring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely give you a promise ring. You know
Speaker 1: that might end up on the show at some point,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just felt like that. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a tough question to answer. It's like, obviously we're you know,
Speaker 1: it's something that we've been discussing a lot lately, not
Speaker 1: necessarily putting a lot of emphasis or priority on where
Speaker 1: or when, but we've definitely been discussing locations and time
Speaker 1: of year.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, I felt like that was a
Speaker 2: good response.
Speaker 3: I feel like the only thing we've really come up
Speaker 3: with is like, we want a destination wedding, right, That's
Speaker 3: the only thing that we talk about where we're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we definitely want a destination wedding.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think you know, most of your friends are married,
Speaker 1: and so, you know, I feel like you get asked
Speaker 1: more so than I do in terms of when is
Speaker 1: the date? Can I be a bridesmaid? Et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: We did talk about that too. I think what did
Speaker 1: we land on?
Speaker 3: Well, because I think we have to be less than ten.
Speaker 3: But I feel like everybody wants to be in our wedding,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of like hard to figure out who
Speaker 3: we're going to have at a wedding party.
Speaker 1: It's definitely going to be a process for sure, and
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I'm following your lead on this,
Speaker 1: so let me ask.
Speaker 3: You a question. I know we talk about this all
Speaker 3: the time, but like if someone is married, for instance, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's just say my friend is married, I want her
Speaker 3: to be my maid of honor, but I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: want her husband to be your best man because he's
Speaker 3: not your best man groomsman?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that weird or is that like normal?
Speaker 2: I think it should be.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it should be normal that you're not
Speaker 1: going to line up necessarily with your significant other at
Speaker 1: a wedding. You know, I feel like you pick your bridesmaids.
Speaker 1: I pick my groomsmen, and then you know, whoever they are,
Speaker 1: they get matched up at the wedding. But I don't
Speaker 1: think it necessarily needs to be Oh, because you're mayor
Speaker 1: read uh, then you have to be a part of
Speaker 1: my groomsmen party and then you know, vice versa for you.
Speaker 1: But you know it might end up working out that way, okay.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I just kind of always wonder about that.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I feel like, you know, when
Speaker 1: the news started circulating, obviously, you know, my parents reached
Speaker 1: out and my mom sent a bunch of I emojis,
Speaker 1: my my dad sent a couple of text messages and
Speaker 1: had a conversation with my sister, just wondering if it's
Speaker 1: you know, legit or not. Obviously, with the pictures of
Speaker 1: the of the ring going around, there was a little
Speaker 1: extra fuel on the fire. And so it's oh, speaking
Speaker 1: of the ring, I had so many jewelers reach out
Speaker 1: to me in terms of, hey, when you're ready, you know,
Speaker 1: if you need a certain stone or how big do
Speaker 1: you want to go? And so there's there's definitely something.
Speaker 1: I think that's the tagline of our wedding. It's it's
Speaker 1: in the works, and so the works. There's definitely some
Speaker 1: researching some stones right now. That's happening for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that, do you know what I like?
Speaker 2: I feel like I've got a good grasp on what
Speaker 2: you like.
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like you did too.
Speaker 1: I feel like your taste changes from time to time.
Speaker 1: I feel like you like high quality stuff, you know, clarity,
Speaker 1: and you know, the shape might might vary, but I don't.
Speaker 3: Feel like I really need like a huge ring though I.
Speaker 1: Disagree with that. I feel like it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: be massive for sure.
Speaker 3: I like that too.
Speaker 1: You know, I've got good taste. And so just let
Speaker 1: let let Marcus James drive this train.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well I'm down for that. I like that.
Speaker 3: I like you being in charge because that's kind of
Speaker 3: one thing that like you do that really turns me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you let me lead you.
Speaker 3: I definitely let you lead me.
Speaker 2: There we go. So so it's in the works.
Speaker 3: That in the works. I think we're at the right
Speaker 3: place at the right time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think I'm definitely I come
Speaker 1: from a more private background than you, I feel like,
Speaker 1: and so I think that's another Well.
Speaker 3: By the way, I had producers called me about our show,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, and they said, hey, would you
Speaker 3: have a wedding on Bravo.
Speaker 1: I feel like they thought they might have missed out
Speaker 1: on something that could have been a key story line
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I was kind of like, no, we're
Speaker 3: not engaged, but I would definitely let you know, But
Speaker 3: do you think you would have a wedding on a
Speaker 3: reality show?
Speaker 2: That's tough, you know.
Speaker 3: I don't think your parents will come. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There would definitely there would definitely have to be some
Speaker 1: carve outs for sure, But it could also be like
Speaker 1: a multi day thing, you know what I'm saying, where
Speaker 1: all right, maybe there's cameras for the actual ceremony, but
Speaker 1: we can do more private things, you know, on those
Speaker 1: other days.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, again, I think.
Speaker 1: As we get closer, we'll start, you know, narrowing down
Speaker 1: all of the options. But I think anything is on
Speaker 1: the table. It's a, it's a it's all in the works.
Speaker 3: It's work.
Speaker 2: I love that. And so moving on, let's talk Britney
Speaker 2: Spears's divorce.
Speaker 3: I mean, can I tell you I kind of saw
Speaker 3: this coming.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I didn't even realize that she was
Speaker 1: or who she was married to. I guess I knew
Speaker 1: she was married, but it didn't come as a shock
Speaker 1: to me either.
Speaker 3: I guess, Well, they were married for a fourteen teen months,
Speaker 3: so that actually lasted longer than I thought because I
Speaker 3: kind of gave them less than a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's fourteen months, is that like? Is
Speaker 1: that standard? Is that like early?
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you're so, I don't know, you're
Speaker 3: getting married.
Speaker 1: And you take those you make those vows, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I guess, aren't you saying that you're
Speaker 1: going to spend the rest of your life with this person?
Speaker 1: And so for fourteen months and it to end? Do
Speaker 1: you think it was a failure.
Speaker 3: It's definitely a failure. It's definitely no. Fourteen months is nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that too.
Speaker 1: And so apparently he confirmed the news on Instagram, saying
Speaker 1: that he decided to end their journey.
Speaker 3: I don't know what planet she lives on. I kind
Speaker 3: of want to live on the same planet I'm rocking
Speaker 3: with Ritty.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I love her. I love her so much because I
Speaker 3: feel like she's such an icon, right, but she definitely
Speaker 3: doesn't live on this planet.
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, if she's in her own world,
Speaker 1: she's in her own zone, you know, And once you
Speaker 1: reach that level of status, she can move to her
Speaker 1: own drum, you know, once you reach to that point,
Speaker 1: you know. And so reports are that trouble has been
Speaker 1: brewing for a while Sam wasn't sleeping at the house
Speaker 1: that much, and Brittany has allegedly gotten physical with him
Speaker 1: in some blowout fights.
Speaker 3: She's twirling around and she's living her birth fight like.
Speaker 3: She's not a fighter, she's just a dancer.
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, divorces can get messy, and
Speaker 1: it sounds like this one is heading towards a messy direction.
Speaker 3: And so you have a prenup.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, but it's la.
Speaker 3: Well, I think he's going to contest the prenup.
Speaker 2: Good luck with that.
Speaker 3: That's I mean, he's never going to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, prenups. We talked about this with Jason.
Speaker 1: I feel like on one of our previous episodes, I
Speaker 1: feel like prenups exist for a reason, and unless there's
Speaker 1: a breach of the agreement or some sort of clause
Speaker 1: that you know, you both parties mutually agree to that
Speaker 1: gets you know, breached, then you know the prenup should
Speaker 1: be enforced.
Speaker 3: In my I agree, I mean, I agree. I mean
Speaker 3: I feel like fourteen months is not alone, not long
Speaker 3: enough for you to contest a prenum. I think if
Speaker 3: you've been married for like thirty years, twenty years, and
Speaker 3: it's like you know, you put in the work and
Speaker 3: you know what, maybe I was crazy when I signed it,
Speaker 3: but fourteen months like that just doesn't sound So you're
Speaker 3: not surprised.
Speaker 2: But do you suspect that he was always about the money?
Speaker 3: I don't think he. I mean, yeah, probably.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, most prenups, you know, there's like a
Speaker 1: tenure or you need to have, you know, been married
Speaker 1: for a certain amount of years, and then you you know,
Speaker 1: I guess, get rewarded or access to I want to
Speaker 1: larger amounts of funds. So I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: fourteen months, I feel like he might not get anything.
Speaker 3: Fourteen months is not long enough, right, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I feel like he waited like over a year, and
Speaker 3: it was probably a tortuous year for him. By the way,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying being married to Brittaney, but I don't
Speaker 3: think it's being married to Britney's easy, okay.
Speaker 1: But still it's his it's her husband, his wife, and
Speaker 1: so I feel like, you know, given the situation, he
Speaker 1: should have maybe been a little more supportive of her,
Speaker 1: maybe tried to help her in certain other ways, you know,
Speaker 1: because no.
Speaker 3: Because I feel like she her mom, Like I don't
Speaker 3: think anybody can help her. I think she's on this
Speaker 3: journey alone, and I think she resents her dad for
Speaker 3: you know, trying to keep her in line. I feel
Speaker 3: like she's kind of doing her own thing, and I
Speaker 3: feel like, remember the whole Brittany, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask you next. So
Speaker 1: do you think she should have stayed in the conservatorship?
Speaker 3: Everybody wanted her to be independent and you know, responsible
Speaker 3: for her own destiny. But I think at the same time,
Speaker 3: a lot of us are not like there.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the truth, the full details
Speaker 1: of it all, but some of it sounded if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, some of it sounded pretty pretty you know,
Speaker 1: I guess strict yeah, exactly in terms.
Speaker 3: Of people need that. Some people need that because they
Speaker 3: can't have boundaries for themselves. So I think that that
Speaker 3: sounds to help.
Speaker 1: You like, as long as she's happy, she's handling her business,
Speaker 1: her finances are straight, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: feel like she should be able to do whatever the
Speaker 1: hell she wants to do, you know, no matter what
Speaker 1: people think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, but she does.
Speaker 2: Look, you know, some of those dance moves on ig
Speaker 2: they look a little Listen.
Speaker 3: She's living her best life, dancing her you know, dancing
Speaker 3: her little life away. So that's good.
Speaker 2: You think you can out dance Brittany.
Speaker 3: I mean she does a lot of trolls are probably
Speaker 3: make me sick. It's like being on a ride. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I could take it for that.
Speaker 2: I love that. I'd love to see that.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about the scandal update. Yeah, okay, So Raquel,
Speaker 3: So she was Rachel and she switched it to Roquel.
Speaker 3: I kind of do like Roquel better than Rachel.
Speaker 1: So what if I changed my name from like Marcus, yeah,
Speaker 1: to Marquisio exactly.
Speaker 2: That's my nickname.
Speaker 3: I think I like you as Marcus. I think that's
Speaker 3: and you know what, every Marcus is fine.
Speaker 2: I think you know it's funny.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, every member of my family
Speaker 1: has seven letters in their first name. So Michael, Juanita, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: and Jasmine, right, they're all seven letters, and Marcus is
Speaker 1: the only one with six letters. And so when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, I used to beg my mom to
Speaker 1: add an S to my name so it would be
Speaker 1: Marcus and I would be seven letters, you know, that's
Speaker 1: so cute. So that's you know, that's just a little
Speaker 1: a little fun fact. But apparently the former vander Pump
Speaker 1: Rules start opened up to Bethany Frankel on the Just
Speaker 1: b podcast about the affair herd around the World. She
Speaker 1: says Bravo has made a ton of money off the scandal,
Speaker 1: but she has not. Quote, the network is running to
Speaker 1: the bank, like laughing, running to the bank with the scandal,
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen a single penny.
Speaker 2: And so you think she should.
Speaker 1: Be able to capitalize in some way off of this
Speaker 1: entire scandal.
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of on You're on your own,
Speaker 3: you know. I feel like you sign a contract to
Speaker 3: be on these reality TV shows and sometimes it's ugly,
Speaker 3: you know sometimes. And the thing is, I heard that
Speaker 3: she's not coming back for the next season, but you
Speaker 3: almost have to come back to redeem yourself. I've been
Speaker 3: in that situation where like I felt like I wasn't
Speaker 3: portrayed the like properly on Housewife sometimes, you know, And
Speaker 3: I've been you know, I wanted to say, like, hey,
Speaker 3: I don't want to go back. I feel like I
Speaker 3: wasn't portrayed properly. They didn't show all the good things
Speaker 3: that I did on the show, the only show, the
Speaker 3: bad things that I did on the show. But it's
Speaker 3: a reality show, so you have to go back to
Speaker 3: kind of redeem yourself.
Speaker 1: Listen, I signed that agreement this this year, and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's an onerous agreement. I mean, you give up
Speaker 1: legal rights, you give up everything basically, and you have
Speaker 1: to trust the producers and trust yourself. I mean it's
Speaker 1: up to you in terms of you carry.
Speaker 3: That's the number one thing you have to be like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, you're responsible for yourself. And a lot of
Speaker 3: times I've done things that are done things too, and
Speaker 3: I you know, good people make bad decisions. I feel
Speaker 3: like Raquel made a bad decision. It was a bad decision,
Speaker 3: but I do feel like she can come from it.
Speaker 1: And so wait, you know, I'm not one hundred percent
Speaker 1: familiar with this situation, but apparently she was cheating. Also,
Speaker 1: she was single, but she was hooking up with somebody
Speaker 1: that had a girlfriend on the show. And so they're
Speaker 1: all on the show.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh wow.
Speaker 1: And so apparently according to TMZ, she earned three hundred
Speaker 1: fifty thousand last season, and so that's you know, there's
Speaker 1: not a small.
Speaker 3: Piece of change, and she made three hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, she feels like she's going to
Speaker 3: be betrayed as the villain now for her life, like
Speaker 3: her whole entire life, which is not true. You can
Speaker 3: come back from almost anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, media cycles are I mean less than seven days now.
Speaker 1: I feel like depending on the scandal and what's that play.
Speaker 1: And so she says it's not fair. I feel like
Speaker 1: a toddler saying that it's not fair. But it really
Speaker 1: isn't feel like I've been portrayed as the ultimate villain.
Speaker 1: My mistakes that I made on camera live on forever.
Speaker 1: And so is that something that you think about when
Speaker 1: you, you know, do housewives in Miami?
Speaker 2: Is it like?
Speaker 3: No, I kind of live in the moment.
Speaker 2: I know you did bad.
Speaker 3: It's bad that I'm like this. I don't think it's good.
Speaker 3: It's probably not good, but it's healthy. Okay. So I
Speaker 3: live in the moment. If I make a bad decision
Speaker 3: at that moment, I feel like I shouldn't have did it,
Speaker 3: but I did it. And tomorrow is a new day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to be able to redeem myself.
Speaker 2: No, And I feel like for you. You know you you.
Speaker 1: Can write things off easily. You know you're a good person.
Speaker 1: I think you do things with your heart and so
Speaker 1: even if you make a mistake, you know it doesn't
Speaker 1: come back to haunt you most often than not.
Speaker 3: I mean, I try to make a decision.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel you do? You do, and so let's
Speaker 1: talk about this. So she also tells Bethanye about using
Speaker 1: her real name Rachel instead of Raquel.
Speaker 3: Listen, she's in La She's in La La Land. Do
Speaker 3: you want to be a little different? I feel like
Speaker 3: Roquel just sounds more elevated than Rachel.
Speaker 2: Did she legally change it or is just like a
Speaker 2: stage name like a rapper or something?
Speaker 3: Which, But I like it. I'm down with for ra Cal.
Speaker 3: And you know what, it takes two to tango. And
Speaker 3: she's not the only one that was having an affair.
Speaker 3: And it's sad that the woman always takes the l
Speaker 3: when it comes down to having an affair, because I
Speaker 3: do feel like, Okay, she shouldn't have did it. She
Speaker 3: they're not together anymore. I'm sure she resents it, you know,
Speaker 3: she feels like she shouldn't have did it. I agree,
Speaker 3: But I do feel like you know, people make mistakes.
Speaker 3: Good people make bad decisions. Sometimes I do feel like
Speaker 3: she is. I'm going to give her a second chance.
Speaker 3: That's my personal opinion. I'm going to give her a
Speaker 3: second chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know all the details of it,
Speaker 1: but I'm all for second chances, you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't I do.
Speaker 3: Feel like she should come back next season, like, redeem
Speaker 3: herself and don't take the l because I feel like
Speaker 3: right now she feels defeated.
Speaker 2: Well, so what's the reason of her not coming back
Speaker 2: is by her own choice.
Speaker 3: Feels Bravo. She feels like Bravo on the network is
Speaker 3: capitalizing on, you know, her being looked at as you know,
Speaker 3: the villain, her being looked at as the one that
Speaker 3: ruined another relationship, which, like I said, two to Tango,
Speaker 3: And yes, she made a bad decision. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, I do feel like, you know, she can
Speaker 3: redeem herself, come back and do good things and be
Speaker 3: in a better place. And I feel like we're all
Speaker 3: going to you know, forgive and forget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I guess Ariano Maddox landed a lifetime
Speaker 1: movie role, and she's got numerous sponsorships, and so I
Speaker 1: guess on the other side of it all because she
Speaker 1: got cheated on, I guess there are other opportunities coming
Speaker 1: her way. Yeah, And so Raquel feels.
Speaker 2: The type of way about it.
Speaker 1: Apparently she raked in over a million dollars from the
Speaker 1: various deals.
Speaker 3: Numbers are not real. Numbers are not really, guys, I
Speaker 3: believe the numbers. Those numbers are not. But it's cute.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: I'm all for her getting a second chance and maybe
Speaker 1: coming back to the show to try to clear the air.
Speaker 1: And like I said, you know, move things, move the
Speaker 1: conversation further in a further direction. And so do you
Speaker 1: do you agree or do you think she was exploiting
Speaker 1: and every while everyone else made money.
Speaker 3: I mean that's on her. You know, when you're on
Speaker 3: these reality TV shows, it's on you to capitalize on
Speaker 3: the show. So it's not like you sign off on
Speaker 3: X Y and Z on you know, with the show.
Speaker 3: So it's not like they expect you to make X
Speaker 3: Y and Z off the show. I think it's your responsibility.
Speaker 3: And this season she took an L. It's okay, this
Speaker 3: season she took an L. She can come back and
Speaker 3: take a w you know, and so.
Speaker 1: In what way is the show making additional money just
Speaker 1: by advertising?
Speaker 3: I guess well, because I feel like the show really
Speaker 3: blow like it really blew up because of the scandal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. True.
Speaker 3: When you're on these shows crazier the storyline is, the
Speaker 3: more eyes and the more downloads and the more talked
Speaker 3: about your show will be. So yeah, I do feel
Speaker 3: like she took an l this season, but it you know,
Speaker 3: it takes two to tango, and I feel like she
Speaker 3: should come back, redeem herself and you know, change your lifestyle. Maybe.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a way she can repair image?
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yeah, like just get back into a
Speaker 3: healthy relationship. Do good things be in a better place.
Speaker 1: The way she just hooked up with the guy. They
Speaker 1: didn't run off together and start well, I think.
Speaker 3: I think they were together and they're no longer again.
Speaker 1: Okay, true, true, true, Okay, Well, obviously we wish everybody
Speaker 1: involved the best.
Speaker 2: Sounds a little mess, and.
Speaker 3: I feel like Bethany Frankel did that interview because she's
Speaker 3: really ought to bash Bravo. Right now, she's not on
Speaker 3: the network. Oh yeah, she has nothing to lose, so
Speaker 3: she really wants to bash the network and I kind
Speaker 3: of feel like, you know, for me, I've had a
Speaker 3: great experience. Have I done crazy things on the show? Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: it's life, it's reality. You make mistakes in your real life.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I feel like, don't quit,
Speaker 3: come back, redeem yourself, and tomorrow is a new day.
Speaker 1: I mean for me, I feel like, you know, Bravo
Speaker 1: was very kind to me when we you know.
Speaker 3: We've had a great We've had a great run as
Speaker 3: far as our you know, like our experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't do you do all the heavy lifting.
Speaker 1: I just got to show up and you know, look
Speaker 1: good and support you.
Speaker 3: But yeah, in terms of listen, I've had times where
Speaker 3: I've been like, I'm not going back. But then at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, if you don't go back,
Speaker 3: you really can't defend yourself. And if you can't defend yourself,
Speaker 3: then you kind of take it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, let's talk about the next topic.
Speaker 3: Baby Doja Cat Doja Cat is Okay. I love her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big fan of her music.
Speaker 3: I love her. I feel like she's really creative, she
Speaker 3: is super talented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I followed her a little more on her come up,
Speaker 1: you know, same when she was a little less known,
Speaker 1: you know, I felt like she had a different sound
Speaker 1: that was unique.
Speaker 2: But let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. It says apparently.
Speaker 1: Doja Cat is actually happy that she lost one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty thousand followers.
Speaker 3: I think she's really going through it, and I think
Speaker 3: like she's being really affected. Yeah, I think she needs
Speaker 3: like she needs a chill out and like go back
Speaker 3: home for a minute, like catch a beat. You need
Speaker 3: to catch a beat, because I feel like the problem
Speaker 3: with like being you know, super famous and being in
Speaker 3: the spotlight is you start losing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like part of the appeal to Doja
Speaker 1: Cat is that she isn't like everybody else, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I feel like she amassed a lot of
Speaker 1: her followers by being corey doing like unique things.
Speaker 2: Shape.
Speaker 1: I think she shaves her hair sometimes, make exactly. She's
Speaker 1: super creative and so apparently, she says. She says she
Speaker 1: feels free after losing the one hundred and eighty thousand
Speaker 1: followers due to her scathing dispute with fans back in July.
Speaker 3: But I don't understand why is she why is she not?
Speaker 3: Like why is she doing that? Against her followers. So
Speaker 3: I feel like when people follow you, they cheer for you.
Speaker 2: I think it could be twofold.
Speaker 1: Some fans or followers can become obsessive to the point
Speaker 1: where you lose your privacy, you know, or.
Speaker 3: It just you kind of sign up for that when
Speaker 3: you're a public finger.
Speaker 1: I mean, you sign up for it to a certain degree,
Speaker 1: but then once it starts to get invasive or you know,
Speaker 1: you start feeling threatened. Then you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: you necessarily sign up for that, you know. And so apparently,
Speaker 1: she says, seeing all these people unfollow me makes me
Speaker 1: feel like I've defeated a large beast that's been holding
Speaker 1: me down for so long, and it feels like I
Speaker 1: can reconnect with the people who really matter and love
Speaker 1: me for who I am and not for who I was.
Speaker 2: So maybe a little who is she?
Speaker 3: Who is she? I don't think she knows who she
Speaker 3: is at this moment.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, you have to.
Speaker 3: I think she was a certain person, and I feel like,
Speaker 3: because she's probably being pulled in different direction, she's a
Speaker 3: different person today.
Speaker 1: I feel like you have to allow people the space
Speaker 1: to be themselves and an artist to create, you know,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so the backlash came after she
Speaker 1: told fans basically to get off your phone and get
Speaker 1: a job and help your parents with the house. Apparently,
Speaker 1: on social media, users were debating if their fan base
Speaker 1: name should.
Speaker 2: Be Kitten or kittens with a Z.
Speaker 1: One fan asked her to reassure them that she loved them,
Speaker 1: and her response was, I don't, though, because I don't
Speaker 1: even know y'all.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's kind of so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's rude, but I can appreciate her
Speaker 1: keeping it real.
Speaker 2: Also.
Speaker 3: You know it's real though, because when people follow you,
Speaker 3: they show you love. I feel like people follow you
Speaker 3: because they want to keep up with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but some people follow just to hate, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. How many times have we seen haters
Speaker 1: in our comments and then you click on a page
Speaker 1: and they're following you, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: from her perspective, maybe she thinks she cleansed or purged
Speaker 1: all of the fake followers and now she's down to
Speaker 1: her core followers and her.
Speaker 3: Real I mean, I like the way you think, Marcus.
Speaker 2: I'm an optimist.
Speaker 3: I like it, But at the same time, I just
Speaker 3: don't know, I just feel like, yeah, kind of aggressive
Speaker 3: to say that to your followers. I don't think I
Speaker 3: would ever say that to my followers.
Speaker 1: So here's what she said in a recent interview with
Speaker 1: Harper's Bazaarre. She said, my theory is that if someone
Speaker 1: has never met me in real life, then subconsciously I'm
Speaker 1: not real to them. So when people become engaged with
Speaker 1: someone that they don't even know on the internet, they
Speaker 1: kind of take ownership over that person. They think that
Speaker 1: person belongs to them in some sense, and when that
Speaker 1: person changes drastically, there is a shock response that is
Speaker 1: almost uncontrollable. I've accepted that that's what happens.
Speaker 3: So listen, She's changing at a very fascination gradual changes.
Speaker 3: I don't think we're used to like.
Speaker 1: But I feel like as an artist, you never I
Speaker 1: feel like you never stay the same. Most artists that
Speaker 1: stay the same get left behind. And you know, comes ody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know you have to allow certain artists their
Speaker 1: room to create, be themselves. And you know, if you
Speaker 1: don't like something, then maybe you don't like the next thing.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, most notable, I feel like
Speaker 1: Yay is like that. I feel like yay. You know,
Speaker 1: from where he first started to obviously where he's at now,
Speaker 1: there's been a huge transition in journey, and so somebody
Speaker 1: that didn't like Jesus might have liked, you know, his
Speaker 1: next album. So okay, I'm just saying, you know, allow
Speaker 1: artists to room.
Speaker 3: Say you're here for the journey with Doja Cat.
Speaker 1: I'm rocking with Doja Cat. I you know, I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily follow her. You know, I'm not a kitten or kitten,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I support her. I
Speaker 1: like her doing her thing, you know. Yeah, but do
Speaker 1: you think that she's biting the hand that feeds her
Speaker 1: or do you applaud her for being honest.
Speaker 2: With her fans.
Speaker 3: No, I kind of feel like she's biting the hand
Speaker 3: that feeds her. But I feel like she's at the
Speaker 3: place right now where she wants to like self sabotage.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, they's got a place where she just wants to
Speaker 3: like just really push the envelope and like, you know,
Speaker 3: just do things that are not.
Speaker 1: Well, You've got a lot of larcenists out there, so
Speaker 1: you know, maybe.
Speaker 3: We have a lot in common.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I have a lot of common. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like she's winning, but at the same time,
Speaker 3: she could win and not be So, you know, what's
Speaker 3: the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: I guess condescending in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you that, Like if people take
Speaker 1: the time to support you, follow you, listen to your music,
Speaker 1: download your music, then even at you know, to some degree,
Speaker 1: you should be thankful grateful for that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but we're rocking out with her. We love Dojaq.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm rocking with her. I'm rocking with her. That
Speaker 2: new song up, what's the Paint the Town Red? That's
Speaker 2: that's my that's my jam.
Speaker 3: No, she's so, she's so talented. We love her. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think today was an amazing day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have fun today for sure.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys for hanging out with us today. We
Speaker 3: love you guys.
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