Speaker 1: All right, let's get it going right here and right now.
Speaker 1: This is Eyes up Here, and you're listening to a
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Speaker 1: didn't know by now, my name is Chad and every
Speaker 1: single week I'm joined here by the host of the show,
Speaker 1: The Bespeckled One, the Queen of Extreme Francine. Queen, you
Speaker 1: have four eyes today instead of two. They are new.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I have been getting the
Speaker 1: worst headaches, headaches on Fridays when we film, because I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in front of a computer all day long, and
Speaker 1: my other glasses are I'm near sighted, so they're for distance, right.
Speaker 1: And I went to the eye doctor a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago and I told them, I said, every time
Speaker 1: I wear my glasses, I get really dizzy looking at
Speaker 1: the computer screen. But if I don't wear any thing,
Speaker 1: I still get dizzy and I get really bad headaches.
Speaker 1: These are called computer glasses. So I had two options.
Speaker 1: I could either get a new prescription with my other
Speaker 1: ones and have three. There were biphobals, but there were
Speaker 1: three different things. You can have reading, which I don't
Speaker 1: need reading glasses regular for distance, and then for the computer.
Speaker 1: So it was three levels. And I told them I
Speaker 1: don't need reading I can see up close to no
Speaker 1: problem right now. I'm not there yet, and they said, well,
Speaker 1: then you need computer glasses. So these I only wear
Speaker 1: when I am in front of a computer screen, or
Speaker 1: I guess you can wear them in front of your eyepad.
Speaker 1: Do they have that like blue tint to them or something?
Speaker 1: There's those like blue something glasses. They were recommending them
Speaker 1: for the kids for the version. Yes, I saw a
Speaker 1: calm optic or something. Yeah, something like that. I looked
Speaker 1: it up, but I don't know how effective that is.
Speaker 1: You can get an extra tint on these. But here's
Speaker 1: the kicker. With my insurance, these are excuse me, thirty
Speaker 1: seven thirty eight dollars. The extra coating was eighty five dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I said, listen, I only wear
Speaker 1: them on Fridays. I don't really think I need an
Speaker 1: extra coating, so I didn't. I cheaped out and I
Speaker 1: didn't get the extra but this is the first time
Speaker 1: I'm ever wearing them. Oh oh, I look good. Well, thanks,
Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that the headaches go away. And it
Speaker 1: helps me. So yes, I am. I'm librried out, Libryan.
Speaker 1: They're quite reflective. They're like my sunglasses on the top.
Speaker 1: I have my ring, my light ring here. I know,
Speaker 1: let me try and move that back a little. I
Speaker 1: don't worry. It's all good. I did. I want to say,
Speaker 1: like two or three weeks ago, I recorded the Triple
Speaker 1: Threat podcast at like eleven thirty at night. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I mean I'm half dead, and me and Shane literally
Speaker 1: looked like we were about to like keel over. So
Speaker 1: I had to put my glasses on, right, But I
Speaker 1: have very thick, thick lenses because my eyes are the shits.
Speaker 1: They are just they're useless. It was so you couldn't
Speaker 1: even see I had eyeballs. My glass is so thick,
Speaker 1: and the way the light was reflecting off of them,
Speaker 1: I looked like I was like Max Headroom style, like
Speaker 1: I couldn't see coke bottle. Yeah, you couldn't. You couldn't see.
Speaker 1: You couldn't see what was underneath there. I could have
Speaker 1: been like this the whole time, like I'm like drugs.
Speaker 1: We were like, oh my God, got me out of here.
Speaker 1: I was like, dear God, I'm ready to kiel over
Speaker 1: and go to sleep. Yeah, that's how it was. But
Speaker 1: so we got some bad news in my family this
Speaker 1: week as well. My sister has COVID. Oh and she's older,
Speaker 1: which kay freaks me out. She's I think sixty she'll
Speaker 1: be sixty eight, I think. And she called me yesterday
Speaker 1: and told me we're not telling my mom because my
Speaker 1: mom will flip out. Right, she was supposed to actually
Speaker 1: come over. Now, we haven't seen anybody in my family
Speaker 1: since Christmas time. My brother came over once and stayed
Speaker 1: outside on my porch and talked to us through the door.
Speaker 1: That was it, because yeah, because we're because my mom.
Speaker 1: Just my my sister called me and she was like,
Speaker 1: I want to come over and visit mommy because we
Speaker 1: you know, December. So I was like okay. Then she
Speaker 1: tells me. Before the weekend came, she called me and said, well,
Speaker 1: a lady in work her husband has corona and he's
Speaker 1: in the hospital with pneumonia and he's in ICU. Oh.
Speaker 1: So I was like, holy moly. Okay. So she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to come. So I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think you should come, you know. So here
Speaker 1: the wife got it apparently she works with my sister.
Speaker 1: She gave it to my sister, So now everybody and
Speaker 1: over there needs to be tested. So they're all getting tested.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, you stay where you are,
Speaker 1: and but it's it's scary, you know. I know things
Speaker 1: are better with it now they have more information and stuff,
Speaker 1: but still, like I'm nervous for them because I you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't want anybody to be sick. Yeah. That's wow,
Speaker 1: that's quite the story. I'm sorry to hear that, but
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I'm just I thank god that she did
Speaker 1: not she found the information out before she came to
Speaker 1: my house. Yeah, oh my gosh. Can you imagine that
Speaker 1: that's all you need? That's all you need. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I mean I talked to her so far she just
Speaker 1: lost her sense of smell and taste, but she says
Speaker 1: she feels okay, you know, and then you know, President
Speaker 1: Trump and Malania have it. We used woke up this
Speaker 1: morning to that that was my phone blew up. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So hopefully, I mean, it's you know, people are still
Speaker 1: getting it, but I think it's consequences less exactly, and
Speaker 1: I think this is almost gonna be really our future,
Speaker 1: And I don't care about vaccines whatever. People are still
Speaker 1: gonna get it, and whether or not they got the
Speaker 1: vaccine for it or not. You know, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: still gonna be ways to contract it. So it's just
Speaker 1: gonna be one of these things we just have to
Speaker 1: be cognizant of going forward. But we cannot still continue
Speaker 1: to have our lives shut down in the way that
Speaker 1: they are because people. I mean, if the president is
Speaker 1: going to get it, then the first lady gets it,
Speaker 1: but the vice president tested negative, the vice president's wife
Speaker 1: tested negative, the Secretary of the Treasury test the negative,
Speaker 1: and all these other people did. It's just one of
Speaker 1: these things. You're either going to catch it or you're not,
Speaker 1: or you're gonna catch it eventually, and we're all going
Speaker 1: to have it, you know. It's one of those things.
Speaker 1: But everybody's body treats it differently. That's that's the remarkable
Speaker 1: part of it is you might have had it and
Speaker 1: never knew it, right, I mean, I could we still
Speaker 1: suspect from going back to last year Christmas time, we
Speaker 1: were in New Jersey and my little my youngest daughter
Speaker 1: got the worst six she has ever gotten in her life.
Speaker 1: They said that she was she had the flu. B Okay,
Speaker 1: the flu was a little wonky last year. Then my
Speaker 1: older daughter got it and they were sick for almost
Speaker 1: three weeks, to the point where we thought they may
Speaker 1: have pneumonia. But then they started to kind of come
Speaker 1: out of it. Six weeks later, COVID breaks and we
Speaker 1: were in New Jersey, which is a hotspot. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: maybe they had it. We now, my wife and I
Speaker 1: did not even get a sniffle during that sickness. When
Speaker 1: they were sick, weird, and we were taking care of
Speaker 1: both of them, we didn't even feel, not even that
Speaker 1: scratchy eye nothing. So it's it's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: What can we do? It just scares me, I know
Speaker 1: it's it's I feel for you, for you guys and
Speaker 1: your family and your you know, your sensitive situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I you know, as everybody. I just wanted to go away.
Speaker 1: I want life to go back to normal. I want
Speaker 1: to be able to I'm still so frustrated. I keep
Speaker 1: trying to book our Disney trip and I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I can't there's so many obstacles. I mean, honestly, we're
Speaker 1: not going to go with the mask, you know, wearing
Speaker 1: mask and stuff. But even to try and book something
Speaker 1: for next year, it's freaking impossible right now, Like there
Speaker 1: are so many road bumps before you can actually book
Speaker 1: your trip. And I even talk to a cast member
Speaker 1: and she was so apologetic, and I'm like, honey, it's
Speaker 1: not your fault. I get it, but it's just it's frustrating,
Speaker 1: you know, because we've never missed a year, Like in
Speaker 1: ten years, we have not missed a trip, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to start. I want to go. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: if you do, let's just say, all right, first year
Speaker 1: and ten years, you don't go, Hey, we didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to go that. But you know, this year
Speaker 1: is already starting to fill up. Maybe we're not going
Speaker 1: to make it. And now you're looking at two years
Speaker 1: before you go. You know, it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: I hear you, it's uh, we have to go. So
Speaker 1: I am. I am doing everything I can to figure
Speaker 1: this out. But we're supposed to for Thanksgiving, we're supposed
Speaker 1: to travel to my husband's neck of the woods and
Speaker 1: visit his family. So that's another thing. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: is that going to be safe to travel to another
Speaker 1: state and you know by this time is everything going
Speaker 1: to be calmer? And I have upcoming I have a
Speaker 1: date have to go to in New Jersey. Okay, date
Speaker 1: I have to go to in Pennsylvania, A date that
Speaker 1: I have to go to in North Carolina. I mean, oh, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I have a autograph engagement in each one of those
Speaker 1: states so far and including and Virginia, so we'll throw
Speaker 1: those four in it. So I'm going to be traveling
Speaker 1: through four states in the next month and a half.
Speaker 1: Are you doing the one that you discussed with me
Speaker 1: with Shane that is on the books, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if Shane is that. I will be in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if Shane will be there because
Speaker 1: that date had to get moved to November. So it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be the end of October. Now it's November seventh,
Speaker 1: which I think you're busy that day, November seventh, right,
Speaker 1: isn't that? Don't you have a I don't know what
Speaker 1: I but yeah, but just still it's you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be traveling through four states, and I've traveled
Speaker 1: through each one of those dates already. Yeah, so maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just fourteenth Okay, I couldn't remember it was oh,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, duh, no, it was the seventh.
Speaker 1: Now it's November fourteenth. Again, I knew it was one
Speaker 1: of those dates in November, so yeah, yeah, but out
Speaker 1: of the blue, you know, my my little baseball signing
Speaker 1: business has exploded, let me exploded because the Queen retweets
Speaker 1: your stuff and people people say it, and people notice
Speaker 1: that you're welcome, you are well, thank you. I can't
Speaker 1: even begin to tell you the like it's it's the
Speaker 1: when you're hot, you're hot scenario for me. And I'm
Speaker 1: completely thankful of this because I don't take it lightly.
Speaker 1: I don't get a chip on my shoulder, and I
Speaker 1: take it like this could be gone tomorrow. And I
Speaker 1: really like I I work my ass off to do
Speaker 1: this stuff, not because I'm gonna I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make a mint off of it. I do because I
Speaker 1: love it and I really enjoy it, and it is
Speaker 1: I just can't even begin to express my luck I've
Speaker 1: been lately. You know. It's funny you say that, because
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about my career. That's awesome. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been working, like, especially during quarantine, I've been working
Speaker 1: more being at home than when I was on the road.
Speaker 1: When I was on the road, it's like I go out,
Speaker 1: I do my deal, I come home, I do my
Speaker 1: family stuff. Right I'm home. I'm not on the road,
Speaker 1: but I'm working. It seems like I'm working five days
Speaker 1: a week, like doing different things. I try. I try
Speaker 1: to save everything for the weekend because I know I
Speaker 1: have to gussy up on Fridays and now Saturdays with
Speaker 1: the only fans. But if something comes in, I have
Speaker 1: to get it done. And I say to myself, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I just push myself to do it because, like
Speaker 1: you just said, it could be gone tomorrow. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: ride the wave. Make as much money as I can.
Speaker 1: And I'm enjoying what I'm doing. You know, I'm exhausted,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm happy and I'm happy to be helping
Speaker 1: my family out. So and it's weird too to be
Speaker 1: for me to maintain, you know, my regular job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm now doing in my basement exclusively. I've gone
Speaker 1: into Washington, d C. A couple of times. That's good, right,
Speaker 1: just a few times. But like you know, I've got
Speaker 1: I feel like I have this weird lottery that I
Speaker 1: wont like my family is fifteen feet away from me,
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. I get to go off and
Speaker 1: do these shows and appearances and come back and be here,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's weird. How long is this going
Speaker 1: to last that you're working from home? Don't know foreseeable future. Still, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's it is, you know. I mean, look, we've been
Speaker 1: doing this for a year. We talked about last week
Speaker 1: and you know, for me, you know how it was,
Speaker 1: I say, hey, you got me Friday. It's my easiest
Speaker 1: day of the week. You know. I would literally clear
Speaker 1: the workload to Friday to get to it, you know,
Speaker 1: get to us, so we have a clear morning and
Speaker 1: it's like now it's it's just I'm here. I don't
Speaker 1: know what else to say. I just did. It's so weird.
Speaker 1: It's but I do miss work camaraderie a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit, but not enough to not enough where
Speaker 1: I'm like gonna be like, you know, please let me in. Please. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, take away from all the horrible, horrible things
Speaker 1: of this virus, there are some good things that came
Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, I would agree, And I hate
Speaker 1: to say that because I mean, it's terrible don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not justifying the virus. I'm not saying it was a
Speaker 1: good thing. But you know, there are some revelations that
Speaker 1: have happened, and I think if the virus did not happen,
Speaker 1: I don't think we would have pulled the kids and
Speaker 1: started homeschooling. And this homeschooling has been such a blessing
Speaker 1: for us and for our children, and it's just it's
Speaker 1: amazing how the stress level has just gone down. Yes,
Speaker 1: in this household, and so goods and beds, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: goods and bads. But I just pray that it goes away.
Speaker 1: Just go away. We hate you. We've had enough. Get
Speaker 1: out of here. Although I'm kind of on board for
Speaker 1: my wife and my older daughter to go back for
Speaker 1: the fifty to fifty model. I love working from home.
Speaker 1: It would be nice if it was a little quieter
Speaker 1: some points of the day, just a little bit. I
Speaker 1: like that they're here, but a little bit more quiet
Speaker 1: sometimes in the day. So you're yeah, both of them, No,
Speaker 1: both of them are on paper for return at one
Speaker 1: point one October. No, one November like first week and
Speaker 1: then one November. The daycare is fine. The daycare has
Speaker 1: been operational, for Maddie and for Yeah, and for Liz.
Speaker 1: They they're one week apart in November when they go
Speaker 1: back for the fifty to fifty model. Now does Liz
Speaker 1: teaching Maddie's school. No, two different counties and two different counties,
Speaker 1: although they're separated now by one room upstairs or you
Speaker 1: got one county's over here? One county. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: one big happy family. But I digress, so to do.
Speaker 1: So today's an interesting show because now we've pushed the
Speaker 1: pause button where we are presently, and we're gonna throw
Speaker 1: it to a canned interview that we already have done,
Speaker 1: which is awesome with with Nova, who has been on
Speaker 1: our list the guys we wanted on the show for
Speaker 1: almost a year. Yeah, No, Nova is uh. Novah is
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, A good friend of mine, and
Speaker 1: I say good friend a lot of these guys. I
Speaker 1: since I've been off Facebook for so long, I just
Speaker 1: haven't been in touch with you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But he's the kind of person that if I picked
Speaker 1: up the phone and said hey, I need this or
Speaker 1: can you do this right away? He would do it. So, yes,
Speaker 1: Nova is a good friend of mine, and we've been
Speaker 1: talking about him coming on the show. But of course
Speaker 1: he has a real job and it's hard for him
Speaker 1: on Fridays. So we finally got a Saturday where everybody
Speaker 1: can get together because it was usually us who couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, we couldn't. Yeah, he could not make
Speaker 1: the Friday. Yep, he could have made the Friday, we
Speaker 1: couldn't do the Saturday. So this time it worked out.
Speaker 1: Have him in the can super super guy. Uh. I
Speaker 1: will not call him Simon Dean. I said this in
Speaker 1: an interview. He is not Simon Dean. Simon Dan is dead.
Speaker 1: He will always be Nova to me. So great interview,
Speaker 1: very candid. Uh, just a great guy in general. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so stand by. Nova is ready to roll and we will.
Speaker 1: We'll see you when in just a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: Here's all right, Can you move back? Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know how many your faith is, just back here, not
Speaker 1: too far back because then we don't want to not
Speaker 1: hear him. So as close as we get a lot
Speaker 1: of Nova, then that's fine. Can I just say I
Speaker 1: have not seen you in years, five years? Why is
Speaker 1: this so zoomed in on me? What the hell is
Speaker 1: going on? You know, your face so cuge? What kind
Speaker 1: of joint. You're running here, all right, let me announce him.
Speaker 1: This is I didn't even do you want to start?
Speaker 1: You want to do it straight? You want to do
Speaker 1: from here? They go from here, and that's I'm not
Speaker 1: calling you Simon Dean ever, this is my friend Nova
Speaker 1: from E c W. Everybody, because now this is just
Speaker 1: between you and I, buddy, I have not I have
Speaker 1: not seen you or talked to you honestly in years,
Speaker 1: except for like text messaging. Yeah, anywhere you're I'm in Kentucky,
Speaker 1: so I know. I know, and I always wanted to
Speaker 1: tell you when you come up to visit your brother
Speaker 1: and your family, you should always stop by. But I'm
Speaker 1: on Facebook now, so I never know what anybody's do.
Speaker 1: You guys are in Delaware? Where are you at? Delaware?
Speaker 1: Where you at? Now? We're in Jersey, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say where over this, I will tell you
Speaker 1: like I come up. They're actually coming here like two
Speaker 1: weeks to visit us for Olivia's birthday, but I usually
Speaker 1: some time and sometimes a Christmas so right, But I
Speaker 1: I left Facebook because I couldn't take it anymore. And
Speaker 1: when I left there, you did you totally. He's such
Speaker 1: a dick. You heal me, heal me to no end.
Speaker 1: But obviously you did. Come on, you were under your case.
Speaker 1: You weren't your phony name. Yeah, you had like you
Speaker 1: avoided that for a long time, like like getting sucked
Speaker 1: into that subculture of the weirdos who come after you guys,
Speaker 1: like the women of wrestling. You actually did better than
Speaker 1: most because you avoided it for like ten years. Well
Speaker 1: because I took a leave of absence for you didn't
Speaker 1: look for it either. Most of these markets. Most of
Speaker 1: these markets looked for it, so you didn't. Now they
Speaker 1: have to pay to see you. It's true. Yeah, give
Speaker 1: me a free means membership OnlyFans stock a breast code.
Speaker 1: If I knew how to do that, I would. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how to do that. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to maneuver for my page. Anyway, How have
Speaker 1: you been? What have you been up to? Let's let's
Speaker 1: start off your gun? YEA, how old is Olivia? Olivia
Speaker 1: will be eleven years old on October twenty third. Is't
Speaker 1: that crazy? Do you remember when you guys just had
Speaker 1: Olivia and you called me and you're like, hey, queen,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And I go I'm breasted and
Speaker 1: all all your hear is new Molly's around. Olivia and
Speaker 1: Molly around the same age, like, yeah, yeah she's eleven
Speaker 1: and eight. Yeah yeah he's eight, so he's that crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're getting too old too, fans. Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: we age, Well, we didn't. We didn't come out as
Speaker 1: misfits and weirdo, you know what I mean. Like, so
Speaker 1: that's just a natural what a shot that we actually
Speaker 1: have normal lives and kids and we didn't turn out
Speaker 1: to be dead drug addicts, weirdos, misfitsers. Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 1: Every time I would speak to him, whether it be
Speaker 1: on the phone or text or whatever, he would always say,
Speaker 1: we're so normal. We're like the most normal people in
Speaker 1: the locker room. I'm like pretty much. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about it, It wasn't weird because nobody made,
Speaker 1: nobody ever made anybody in ECW feel like they were
Speaker 1: an outsider or like a piece of shit or anything
Speaker 1: like that, because they didn't partake. If you want to do,
Speaker 1: you're drinking your drugs, you're ritting your craziness, whatever you did.
Speaker 1: No one cared about any of that. It was the
Speaker 1: most like, weirdest, non judgmental group of people I'd ever
Speaker 1: been around in any setting and anything I've ever done
Speaker 1: in the real world too, because we were accepting of
Speaker 1: their lifestyle and they were accepting of ours. It just
Speaker 1: we were all friends. It didn't matter what you did
Speaker 1: or what you didn't do. We all just got along,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, No one cared. No one was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you didn't smoke, you're not cool, or
Speaker 1: you're not you're not you're not doing coke, or you're
Speaker 1: not ratting or like what. No one cared. No one
Speaker 1: cared about any of that stuff. Let's go back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go back like before. E c W. So, for
Speaker 1: those who don't know, Nova has a twin brother named
Speaker 1: Donnie B who I haven't seen in the probably go
Speaker 1: through your show one day, he'll come on your show.
Speaker 1: I would like to have him on my show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah. We need a few more sponsors before I
Speaker 1: could start paying. Let's start with one. Let's start with one, exactly. No,
Speaker 1: I have two. Hey man scap Manscape does and uh
Speaker 1: you know that's what else. No, are your anniversary kid.
Speaker 1: We've been on the air for a year now. I
Speaker 1: had no idea this even existed until you contact me
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. And now I don't fall
Speaker 1: into this horrible Let's go back. So when you did
Speaker 1: you both get into wrestling at the same time. Did
Speaker 1: you guys like trained together? No? So we had a
Speaker 1: friend of ours name Rich. So I graduated high school
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety me and Donnie Bee had a friend
Speaker 1: of ours name Rich. And there was a brand new
Speaker 1: wrestling school that opened up New Jersey called Iron Mike
Speaker 1: Sharp's School Professional Wrestling. You don't know who he is,
Speaker 1: go look him up, famous old timer veteran Mike was awesome.
Speaker 1: So we used to go there because Rich signed up
Speaker 1: and we would watching. We would watch him train and
Speaker 1: practice because we were fans too. So probably after about
Speaker 1: like two or three months of this, Mike kept asking
Speaker 1: us to get into the ring. So finally one day
Speaker 1: I tried it. You know, I was like a little fat,
Speaker 1: nerdy wrestling mark kind of I was like, I'll give
Speaker 1: the shit, I don't care. So I kind of liked
Speaker 1: a little bit. Donnie b tried a little bit. He
Speaker 1: never liked the physicality part of it, but he was
Speaker 1: part of the school. He got into like managing and
Speaker 1: being part of like the wherever I went to do
Speaker 1: shows on the weekends, he came to. So it was
Speaker 1: like myself, him, Rick Ratchett, Devin storm A Starland, our
Speaker 1: whole rock o'dor all of us together. We did all
Speaker 1: the Dino Santa shows. That's where I first met Dreamer,
Speaker 1: a bunch of the North East Indy guys. Because that's
Speaker 1: how you started. Like you went to a school, you
Speaker 1: bounced around, you sent your tapes out to Dennis or Dino,
Speaker 1: or you worked for down in Baltimore. You just worked
Speaker 1: for Tommy d and Staten Island or Mike Dano, like
Speaker 1: whoever had shows on the weekend. Just getting a car
Speaker 1: and drive. You brought your gear bag. If you got
Speaker 1: twenty bucks, maybe you have to be on the Battle Royal,
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you could be on. But you know,
Speaker 1: so we were. That's how we started. And Donnie has
Speaker 1: never gotten to the physical part of it. Becau's not
Speaker 1: for everybody. And then that's how you met. I never
Speaker 1: met you before before, e W. I doubt it. Like
Speaker 1: you didn't start with Gary and them until when well
Speaker 1: I started in ninety three. J A. Smith and I
Speaker 1: trained with Stevie. Okay, so you start like a year
Speaker 1: I started the beginning of ninety two, so a year
Speaker 1: after you never crossed paths until easy dub No. I
Speaker 1: only went down to the arena to train. They had
Speaker 1: the you know, the ring that was in the back,
Speaker 1: and I I mean that was it. Honestly, that's how
Speaker 1: a lot of them more like somebody had a building,
Speaker 1: a warehouse and school like something like that. When I
Speaker 1: see these things now, like these standing the nice training facilities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not even wws like other guys that have these amazing
Speaker 1: schools and all these I'm like guys. I mean, Mike
Speaker 1: Sharp's was the old boxing ring that got converted to
Speaker 1: a wrestling ring and we didn't know anybout it. So
Speaker 1: it is a different time and we're not gonna be
Speaker 1: the old times that pound our fists and say hey,
Speaker 1: this is when we did it. But it was when
Speaker 1: I tell you, it was different, it was different. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that because I think about this
Speaker 1: often too. Do you feel like, twenty twenty five years ago,
Speaker 1: if it was that way, do you think you would
Speaker 1: have made it? Uh? I don't like having to do
Speaker 1: the like the because I've watched I've seen them like
Speaker 1: the you know, the the girls and stuff go through
Speaker 1: the performance center and with the drills and this and
Speaker 1: that and the other thing. I was trained a lot
Speaker 1: different like for us. It wasn't so like strict so
Speaker 1: to speak. It was it was it was more that's
Speaker 1: what it is now now it's like, hey, Like when
Speaker 1: I came down, it was part of OBW. It was Hey,
Speaker 1: eight thirty in the morning, training more and more regimented,
Speaker 1: doing drills and cardio and all that stuff, which I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. Like even now when
Speaker 1: I oversaw the developmental system, I actually, you know, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what we're moving towards. But I think to
Speaker 1: people now it's easier to get into it, it's harder
Speaker 1: to stay in it. Like it's easier to get signed,
Speaker 1: it's harder to stay signed. So that's their penance, so
Speaker 1: to speak, like getting signed off the street or they
Speaker 1: did another sport or whatever how they did before they
Speaker 1: before they learned they had a lifelong dream and want
Speaker 1: to be a wrestler. Brother, if this is what they
Speaker 1: have to do to come in and be part of it.
Speaker 1: You're doing drills and cardio and updowns and tackles and
Speaker 1: all that ten thousand stuff because they're not doing any
Speaker 1: of this stuff anywhere else, Like they're not getting matches,
Speaker 1: they're not doing shows anywhere. So I mean that's the
Speaker 1: tradeof right. But the way you would have done, we
Speaker 1: would have done it, mean the way you said you
Speaker 1: were a fan and you would go and you would
Speaker 1: just watch, right, and they said, oh, come in the ring.
Speaker 1: He said, come in the ring. Would you have gone
Speaker 1: if you knew like that it was like this, like
Speaker 1: you did. He just said get in the ring on
Speaker 1: a whim, right, and you were like, yeah, let me
Speaker 1: try this. Yeah, we would all the time and watching
Speaker 1: Mike's Hey, give it a shot. So I got in
Speaker 1: the ring and ran the ropes a little bit and
Speaker 1: then Mike helped us out. Mike was not a We
Speaker 1: didn't have time to Hey, everybody, get there eight o'clock
Speaker 1: at night. That's you know, the classes were later at
Speaker 1: night and none of the rest of the schools were
Speaker 1: like they are now though, So, yeah, what was it
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind that you wanted to
Speaker 1: be in this business? I kind of thought it was
Speaker 1: pretty cool, but it was so beyond like, you know,
Speaker 1: we had a dad, who had a garage door business
Speaker 1: this whole until he passed away years ago. My mom
Speaker 1: was a stay at home mom, like we had no
Speaker 1: relatives in the business, no family. I sat at home
Speaker 1: watching Hogan versus Andre at WrestleMania three, always a young
Speaker 1: Mark fan, like it was five point ten at that point,
Speaker 1: two hundred something pounds of like a little nerdy comic book,
Speaker 1: sci fi nerdy fat kid. It's never a million years
Speaker 1: enter my head that I can actually be a wrestler. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for Mike to jump in the ring and school
Speaker 1: around it was cool, and for me it was, hey,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be like my baseball softball like bowling
Speaker 1: league kind of. Mike had showed it to the school
Speaker 1: every two weeks. That's where I first met Stidi, to
Speaker 1: my Sharp shows. So we would do those shows and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is it. This is never going
Speaker 1: to go I'm gonna be like I was going to
Speaker 1: school for mathematics and computer science. So I was like, this,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna scool around
Speaker 1: with this and I'm never ever gonna do anything with it.
Speaker 1: I didn't care. Yeah, like every time you ever got
Speaker 1: another milestone of the business, at least when we were
Speaker 1: in it, Like you chalked it up to Wow, that's cool, man,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I pulled that off. Like when I
Speaker 1: stood in the ring of WrestleMania, I just kind of
Speaker 1: looked around like that's it. Like I've just played for
Speaker 1: the Yankees. There's nothing more than this. I we accomplished
Speaker 1: the grandest stage. So everything after that was well shit.
Speaker 1: I mean now the kids now, I do think for
Speaker 1: the guy, the people that are in it now, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be as crippling to them
Speaker 1: or crushing to a lot of them when they do
Speaker 1: eventually get released or quit or move on like people
Speaker 1: that came up in our era, which I think led
Speaker 1: a lot to the pills, the alcohol, the depression, all
Speaker 1: of that. Because the spotlight got taken off of us,
Speaker 1: we didn't get to be part of the life. Brother,
Speaker 1: we weren't in it anymore. These fans like I hate
Speaker 1: to use this term, but like when I left the
Speaker 1: wrestling business, it was it's stung. I can it can
Speaker 1: it to like getting divorced, So now if you love
Speaker 1: that when he got divorced, it really bothers you like
Speaker 1: these people now, a lot of them they got in
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. Well, hell they're in three
Speaker 1: to four or five years and they're still like thirty
Speaker 1: or thirty one. They got out, they got the whole
Speaker 1: rest of their life. They're not gonna give a shit
Speaker 1: that they were the w NXT whatever the hell it
Speaker 1: was for two years. They should have moved on. Do
Speaker 1: you remember do you remember the last show that we
Speaker 1: did in Pine Bluff? And do you remember you pulling
Speaker 1: up in the car next to me? Do you remember
Speaker 1: what you did? No professional memory. I remember the show
Speaker 1: because it was I'm crying, right, I'm so depressed. I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: We all knew, we all knew everybody. Yeah, and everybody
Speaker 1: goes to the ring and everybody's having a beer. You
Speaker 1: hope a lot more than most though. You really did
Speaker 1: like you were an optimist all the way to the end.
Speaker 1: I tried because Paul kept telling me, and Okay, so
Speaker 1: I'm upset and I get in the car and we're
Speaker 1: driving and Novell pulls off. I don't even know who
Speaker 1: was in our cars. He goes like this, rolled down
Speaker 1: the window. I rolled down the window and he's you guys, Oh,
Speaker 1: we come. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you were
Speaker 1: so sad. It wasn't uncommon for EASYW like I was
Speaker 1: one hundred percent known as like the asshole, smart ass smart.
Speaker 1: All were always friends, Yeah, of course, we all were
Speaker 1: like nobody hated each other, even people and had the
Speaker 1: quote unquote heat with his brother. I never really hated
Speaker 1: any of them. There was a couple of whom rubbed
Speaker 1: me the wrong way you now and then, but I
Speaker 1: never cared about it years later, like to me, like
Speaker 1: Dreamer said at one time, like the E c W
Speaker 1: Heat died with E c W. And I always felt
Speaker 1: the same way, like I just never really, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it just never there was There was no giant amount
Speaker 1: of enough money for me to be so mad at
Speaker 1: somebody that I'd stab him in the back or finish
Speaker 1: them off for just so incensed that they screwed me
Speaker 1: over for this pot of gold, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was just it was fool gold. I mean, we
Speaker 1: were there for the love of it. We all liked
Speaker 1: each other. We had a great time. I've been asked
Speaker 1: way more in my lifetime what was it like to
Speaker 1: wrestle at the ECW Arena than I was ever asked
Speaker 1: about wrestling at the Garden at a wrestle Mania and
Speaker 1: La and Tokyo and any of it. Yeah, yeah, at
Speaker 1: the tables, a lot of the boys always say to me,
Speaker 1: you know how lucky you are that you worked for ECW.
Speaker 1: We would guess to work for ECW, like and I'm
Speaker 1: just like I do. Yeah, there's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who were fans or in the business now, like guys
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name all the names. If there's a
Speaker 1: shitload of guys who are in the business now who
Speaker 1: I met over the years who said to me their
Speaker 1: goal when they got into wrestling was to wrestle for ECW,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't to be a W Superstars WW. Nobody ever.
Speaker 1: First of all, nobody ever mentions WCW. Now that's not
Speaker 1: because we both had a lot of friends that worked there.
Speaker 1: Oh of course, a single person that said to me, man,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that w W would have a business,
Speaker 1: and that was it. Like never, Like there's talent on
Speaker 1: the w roster right now, like main roster talent who
Speaker 1: told me when they were growing up as kids that
Speaker 1: they were huge ECW fans, that that's what they wanted
Speaker 1: to wrestle. How did you get involved with ECW. You
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that you met Streamer and Stevie. You know
Speaker 1: a good we have a mutual benefactor in that in Levy. Okay.
Speaker 1: So here's how it start. I was at a New
Speaker 1: Jack City Wrestling show in New Jersey. We were all
Speaker 1: there doing the show late nineteen. It was beginning of
Speaker 1: ninety six. The main event on the show was Levy
Speaker 1: versus Mikey. Mary Kate was there, her mom was there,
Speaker 1: Bella doing the TV shirt money, everybody was there. So
Speaker 1: intermission comes and I'm wrestling on the show, the superhero Kate,
Speaker 1: the Outfit, the whole deal in a tag match after
Speaker 1: are you super nov the whole deal? So I met
Speaker 1: Levy and passengers like, hey, what's going on man at
Speaker 1: the show? I never met him before, but Stevie was
Speaker 1: already teener with him and stuff. Stevie was getting pushed
Speaker 1: and he needs to go to your tax team champion.
Speaker 1: All this time because I was taking w Rena several
Speaker 1: times as a fan, even though it is at Mike Sharps,
Speaker 1: just like in the audience to see the show. Because
Speaker 1: Stevie would get his tickets and I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: this is incredible, never in a millionaires. So thought i'd
Speaker 1: be there, so leave. He's on the show. At intermission,
Speaker 1: Bella says to me, hey, Nova, Scotty wants to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Because I was on early on the show.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, what did I do wrong? And
Speaker 1: I only knew him at this point. He's like Johnny
Speaker 1: Polo and all that stuff, And Ring's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: why do you want to talk to me? So he
Speaker 1: pulls me aside. He's like, hey man, he's like this
Speaker 1: superhero thing. Is it? Like, are you serious with this
Speaker 1: or what? It's like? This is like Adam West Batman
Speaker 1: kind of. I go yeah. He goes, this is great.
Speaker 1: He goes, give me a tape of just your ring.
Speaker 1: Entrance is running around with the kids doing cartwheels and
Speaker 1: all that. He goes, I want to show up to
Speaker 1: Paul and Tommy and Taz. I'm making a little group
Speaker 1: in ECW. He goes, I got Stevie there. He goes,
Speaker 1: We're getting this big fat guy from Philadelphia and named
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him the Blue MIENI from Yellow Submers.
Speaker 1: And I had no idea what the hell that was.
Speaker 1: This is late ninety five, beginning at Yar in middle
Speaker 1: ninety five. So I said, okay, I'll put the tape together.
Speaker 1: I go home, and this is when you had to
Speaker 1: have two VCRs to like record tape record. So I'm
Speaker 1: making this highlight tape of me doing my shit, and
Speaker 1: Leevy says, hey, you know, bring the tape up to
Speaker 1: Moon Dancers and drop it off on me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, no problem. So I'm home and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at like the phone book and all this. I said,
Speaker 1: what is Moon Dancers, Well, it's the strip club. So
Speaker 1: I put the tape together, and me and Donnie b
Speaker 1: and Rock o' dorsey we go to Moon Dancers one
Speaker 1: night to look. Now, imagine us straight walkingt like our
Speaker 1: normal cities and all that, walking into the Booby Club
Speaker 1: to go find me. Oh my god. We walk in.
Speaker 1: There's a Levy behind the DJ thing putting himself over
Speaker 1: doing whatever. Walk in. I give them the tape. He says, Oh,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, kid, the whole deal. I leave. Three
Speaker 1: days later, I get home from Wendy's that's where I
Speaker 1: was working at the time, and my mom's like, hey,
Speaker 1: there's some dynam raven or something on the answer machine.
Speaker 1: He left you a message, and I'm like, oh my god. Really,
Speaker 1: So he's like, yeah, hey kid, you know I saw
Speaker 1: your tape. You know, Taz and Tommy they really loved it.
Speaker 1: Man could come on down to the next arena show
Speaker 1: and we'll see what we can do for you. So
Speaker 1: I'm already freaking out, like, oh my god. So the
Speaker 1: next arena show, I'd go down there, and to this day,
Speaker 1: it was, besides Olivia's birth, it was the scariest all
Speaker 1: in my life. Walking towards the entrance away where it
Speaker 1: was and it was ron Ronnie Atlas was out there,
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, can you go back there and
Speaker 1: tell Raven a guy named Nova's hair for him. So
Speaker 1: like five minutes later, Ronnie comes through the curt and
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, come on back. I'm like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: here it is. I walk in the back. The first
Speaker 1: one that came up through his Beulah. She's like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I saw your tape too. I saw It's really funny.
Speaker 1: You're the superhero, right. I'm like yeah, And I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: nice to meet you. And then Tommy came over eating
Speaker 1: a hot dog. He's like, hey, Dino Santa, how you
Speaker 1: doing because I knew him from Tom from Dinos. And
Speaker 1: he hands me a hot dog and goes, uh, I
Speaker 1: love your tape man, And it's great. If you just
Speaker 1: want to start showing up to the shows, we'll have
Speaker 1: your car up to the ring with Scotty. You'd be
Speaker 1: part of whatever the hell he wants to do with
Speaker 1: this flock thing. Here's your first payday. And he had
Speaker 1: me a hot dog and I was like, and I
Speaker 1: just started going to the shows doing the flock stuff
Speaker 1: with Raven and Stevie and Meanie and we were and
Speaker 1: looking back on it, we were nothing more than the
Speaker 1: window dressing to his act. And that's what we were.
Speaker 1: I mean, Scotty brought a whole bunch of us in,
Speaker 1: like well, a lot of us got to be brought in.
Speaker 1: It's like extras. And then through the hard work and
Speaker 1: what we did to get ourselves over, we took the
Speaker 1: ball and ran with it. We got off everybody. There
Speaker 1: were so many people that would come to ECW and
Speaker 1: just kind of like showed up. They tried to be
Speaker 1: part of the act. And you, I mean, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: we can name a ton of people like that. But
Speaker 1: that's how it all started. Do you feel like you
Speaker 1: said it earlier? People just wanted to work in ECW.
Speaker 1: You had a pretty good career in WWE. How did
Speaker 1: you get Tommy's job in the office? And which company
Speaker 1: did you like working for better? Because honestly, I want
Speaker 1: people to get I was always I always This is
Speaker 1: going to sound really crazy, but I'm telling you take
Speaker 1: this advice. If you're listening to this, if you can
Speaker 1: be try to be successful outside the ring too, and
Speaker 1: not just always come across as a wrestler. Like I
Speaker 1: always viewed myself as someone who was in the wrestling business.
Speaker 1: I never viewed myself as a wrestler brother. I didn't.
Speaker 1: So I was college educated, I was intelligent, I was
Speaker 1: well spoken, I was regimented, and I always tried to
Speaker 1: not only just worry about the working inside the ring.
Speaker 1: I worried about the working outside of the ring, which
Speaker 1: carries over into the real world. I tell my people
Speaker 1: all the time, the real world is a work. If
Speaker 1: you learn how to work the gimmick in the real world,
Speaker 1: you can get over. That's all that matters. So I'm
Speaker 1: w I've been through OBW, I've been through the system.
Speaker 1: I've been well traveled. I knew everybody in the Independence,
Speaker 1: So when they were getting ready to launch ECW, Tommy
Speaker 1: Dreamer in an office setting was probably like somebody with
Speaker 1: a size twelve foot trying to wear like a size
Speaker 1: five shoe. It just wasn't a good fit. This is
Speaker 1: out of his mouth. He hated it. The highlight of
Speaker 1: Tommy's day was walking around Titan Tower with thumbtacks sticking
Speaker 1: him in his head to walk into the offices of
Speaker 1: the other employees who were there to freak them out,
Speaker 1: or taking pencils and throw them in the ceiling and
Speaker 1: watch them a stick. But Tommy helped out a lot
Speaker 1: of guys because you could like good old boy at
Speaker 1: kind of back then still, and the minute they were
Speaker 1: thinking about relaunching E. C. Dub I knew that Simon
Speaker 1: Dean I was kind of burnt down on SmackDown. I
Speaker 1: kind of hate it going because it just was a
Speaker 1: miserable place to be. There were so many guys, they
Speaker 1: gave you a hard time and it just as lows
Speaker 1: and today's environment is apparently a million times better. So
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the guys that are now
Speaker 1: should be very thankful what they have. But there was
Speaker 1: a bunch of pieces of shit I was around. I
Speaker 1: hated it going, and they asked me the opportunity. I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, if there's a chance to be able
Speaker 1: to be behind the scenes and help out young talent
Speaker 1: so they don't get lost in the mix, to try
Speaker 1: to get him a shot, I took it. So because
Speaker 1: I knew I was never going to be a lifer either.
Speaker 1: I figured I'd be there for a couple of years
Speaker 1: and maybe then move on. Like there was no part
Speaker 1: I'm forty eight. There was no part in any of
Speaker 1: my plan that ever said I'm gonna be working in
Speaker 1: the pro wrestling business when I'm in my forties. Ever,
Speaker 1: I never ever thought. I always wanted to do more,
Speaker 1: always right, and I liked wrestling where there's parts of
Speaker 1: WWF we like. I liked uh. I met some lifelong
Speaker 1: fans friends there. It was cool and you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: where we grew up, we were w E fans, Like
Speaker 1: that's the place you always wanted to wind up. So
Speaker 1: so nobody can ever tell us like something's impossible, because
Speaker 1: even like when my employees do they say something's impossible,
Speaker 1: it is said, I hold up one of my action
Speaker 1: figures and I'm like, well, this was impossible. I'm like,
Speaker 1: getting to twenty five new households for the month, that's
Speaker 1: not impossible. Guys. This as like a fat Mark kid
Speaker 1: from Tom's New New Jersey. This was impossible. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got to post up in perspective, right, So, but
Speaker 1: I like, I love There's It's just something about ECW
Speaker 1: being part of it. We just were all cool group.
Speaker 1: I hung out with everybody from whether it was Van
Speaker 1: Dam or Sandman, the top guys are talking to Paul
Speaker 1: or even travel with Randy in the van or whatever
Speaker 1: the hell we were doing. Man, we just all had
Speaker 1: a good time. There was never we were all in
Speaker 1: our early late twenties, early thirties, if that traveling around
Speaker 1: having a good time. I mean, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: partake in a lot of the craziness that everybody else.
Speaker 1: A lot of the guys did. They had a lot
Speaker 1: more fun than I did in that aspect. But I
Speaker 1: got to see the United States, man, I got to travel.
Speaker 1: I had fun. We had a great time. Would you
Speaker 1: have left if the company continued, I don't know, because
Speaker 1: like when they were getting ready to collapse, we knew
Speaker 1: it was going South, Like before the Pine Bluff show,
Speaker 1: I had already talked to Johnny Ace who was in WW.
Speaker 1: Johnny As had called me multiple times to bring me
Speaker 1: in the cruiseweight division, so I knew EW and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Paul said, if something happens, he's
Speaker 1: gonna bring us all in that kind of deal. That's cool, man,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it is what it is. But
Speaker 1: I was if they had kept going, me and C.
Speaker 1: W Anderson would have feuded over the TV title. I
Speaker 1: would have because it right right when we collapsed, right
Speaker 1: when we folded. I was in peak physical condition. I
Speaker 1: was over. I had a huge following. I was getting
Speaker 1: one of the best reactions of the night. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just reality. And go back and watch the pay
Speaker 1: per views, so my music would hit the place we
Speaker 1: go ape shit, and I was they just because they
Speaker 1: saw me go from a flunky running around the ring
Speaker 1: with Scottie to team with Meani doing the BWO, the metamorphosis,
Speaker 1: through that teaming with Chetty, all through that and now
Speaker 1: like the fans felt like they took that five year
Speaker 1: ride with me, so now it's getting ready to pay
Speaker 1: it off. Like I was looking forward to wrestling Jerry
Speaker 1: Lynn and Van Dam and like all those guys in
Speaker 1: legitimate matches, like the real matches where the fans would
Speaker 1: have bought the false finishes, not a shit would have
Speaker 1: been Nova for the BWO wrestling against Rob Van Dam.
Speaker 1: It would have been like Nova is kicking the kick
Speaker 1: ass Nova first, Rob Van Dam. I feel like we,
Speaker 1: you know, we had so much experience at that point
Speaker 1: under our belt, and we had so much more to give.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it hurt me so much
Speaker 1: the way it went under, because a we hung on
Speaker 1: for dear life. We sunk with the ship, right, we stayed,
Speaker 1: but we had come so far and just all of
Speaker 1: us has We've grown so much in that company, and
Speaker 1: we were all at the top of our game, like
Speaker 1: you said, and then it was just like the rug
Speaker 1: was pulled from under us. And and that is off
Speaker 1: to this day. You know, imagine buying stockcks, right, so
Speaker 1: let's envision all of us are a stock and over
Speaker 1: five year time, each one of our stock keeps raising
Speaker 1: and raising and raising, and the stock is about to
Speaker 1: go bananas, and then all the companies go bankrupt. Like
Speaker 1: that's how I viewed up, Like all of our stock
Speaker 1: was about to become Amazon, and then the company just
Speaker 1: went away, which is crazy because we had video game deals,
Speaker 1: Action figure deals, the TNN thing collect that was the shits.
Speaker 1: But I mean, there are so many things that went
Speaker 1: wrong that it was. Especially what always bothered me was
Speaker 1: WWF By's WCW. So that's one of the competitors went away.
Speaker 1: So in theory, if we've been able to hold on
Speaker 1: from end of like six months to a year, it
Speaker 1: just would have been us in the WF. Do you
Speaker 1: have a theory? Because for me, I think back and
Speaker 1: people ask me all the time, and I never know
Speaker 1: how to answer this question honestly, and maybe I'm just
Speaker 1: naive or I'm just dumb and I missed something. Do
Speaker 1: you think that Paul did not want to sell the
Speaker 1: company to, like say a Billy Corgan who allegedly offered
Speaker 1: him a million dollars to take ECW right? Do you
Speaker 1: think Paul did not want to sell it because that
Speaker 1: was his baby and he didn't want anyone else to
Speaker 1: have it. I do I think that he ultimately no
Speaker 1: matter what, like, look, I have no ill will towards
Speaker 1: Paul Hayman. Here's a wrestling here's the thing. Paul Hayman
Speaker 1: was a wrestling promoter, and I wrestled for Paul Hayman.
Speaker 1: That's it. Our relationship never really went much further than that.
Speaker 1: He was a boss. I was an employee. Hey, Paul,
Speaker 1: what's up, boss? Like that was it? Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of resent. Yeah, it was money owed
Speaker 1: after collapse and all that, sure, whatever, I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's all, like, it's not tangible money that I can
Speaker 1: There was bonuses and pay for view and like all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So it sucked, but I'm not mad about it.
Speaker 1: But I do think, you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, the company that Paul started went bankrupt and
Speaker 1: went under and it went away. So I think that
Speaker 1: probably in the back of his mind he always thought
Speaker 1: that they could salvage it or save it or something.
Speaker 1: I don't think he sat around at the eleventh hour
Speaker 1: saying I'm good, I'm gonna get out of here and
Speaker 1: let them hold the bag and get the hell out
Speaker 1: of Dodge. I just don't Over the years, I've changed
Speaker 1: my stance on that. I just don't. You know. It
Speaker 1: definitely bothered him too, Like there's no atter if he
Speaker 1: didn't sit up multiple nights to be like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe this is happening, because there was no guarantee that
Speaker 1: he was gonna go walk in the door somewhere either.
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul didn't exist. He had probably nuclear he
Speaker 1: did some places with people, and probably still to this day.
Speaker 1: There's like old weird old timers a heat thing where
Speaker 1: people hate each other until they go to the grave.
Speaker 1: So I know, I just never know how to answer
Speaker 1: that question, because we were kind of in the dark
Speaker 1: for most of the you know, we just showed up
Speaker 1: and worked, and if we got paid, it was it
Speaker 1: was a bonus. And if we didn't get paid, we
Speaker 1: would just all sit around and buy a pizza and
Speaker 1: share slices, just kind of hang out with each other.
Speaker 1: You know. If we sat there at the end of
Speaker 1: the night and when Debbie Beaumont came walking over a
Speaker 1: scent Finnigan or one of the guys of Pee Wee
Speaker 1: but your little paper check and gave it to you,
Speaker 1: and you opened it up and there's a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks worth of pay on there, You're like, yes, and
Speaker 1: then the big rib. I used to go to sound
Speaker 1: Guy Randy live near me, so me and sound Guy
Speaker 1: Randy would drive up to JP Morgan Mellon Bank, I
Speaker 1: think it was Melon Bank, and Chase we would drive
Speaker 1: up to Woodbridge. You know. We would drive up to
Speaker 1: that Woodbridge bank a lot and wait there on Monday
Speaker 1: morning for the bank to open up because we knew
Speaker 1: the depositible the weekend we're in that account. And once
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of us went in and got our
Speaker 1: checks by one or two o'clock in the afternoon, that
Speaker 1: account was gonna be no good. So we'd beat talking
Speaker 1: at seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning waiting for
Speaker 1: the bank to open at nine so we can run
Speaker 1: in there and cast our checks. Yes, meet at one
Speaker 1: hundred three, and I did that one. We beat Maloney
Speaker 1: there a bunch of times. Mahoney came like he would
Speaker 1: call me at two o'clock. No, what the hell, man,
Speaker 1: They said, you got Yeah. I remember Dawn and I
Speaker 1: we went there and we were standing there and the
Speaker 1: ladies like, there's no money in this account. And we
Speaker 1: just looked in at Joe and we were like, how
Speaker 1: can there not be any funds? Like, there's no money
Speaker 1: in the account. It's just it's beyond my comprehension. But
Speaker 1: it did but what do you doing? Tell the people,
Speaker 1: what are you doing now with your life? I had
Speaker 1: for the last I retired basically over ten years ago.
Speaker 1: I've done like a couple of little appearances, a little
Speaker 1: couple things here or there. I might do something for
Speaker 1: Kevin Matthews and his guys next year in Alaska with Meanie.
Speaker 1: Donnie Bee had a rescheduled show that was for this year.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do it next year in Lacey and New Jersey.
Speaker 1: And I'll do that with Meani And That'll probably be
Speaker 1: the last physical thing I ever do. But I work
Speaker 1: in convention. I do a couple conventions every now and then,
Speaker 1: but even then, like unless Ninie wants to do it
Speaker 1: or Stevie or something like that, I really don't want
Speaker 1: to do them. I've been very blessed and very lucky,
Speaker 1: Like I worked really hard the last decade in the
Speaker 1: financial field. I oversee a branch of a financial institution
Speaker 1: here Louisville. I have a great job, great benefits. The
Speaker 1: company loves me. I love the company. They take great
Speaker 1: care of me. So I don't really hustle the convention
Speaker 1: circle a whole lot and do a whole lot of
Speaker 1: those because there's a lot of people that I worked
Speaker 1: with who are still in the wrestling world who never
Speaker 1: really got out of it. I'd rather than make the money.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't care. Like even when it comes to
Speaker 1: the T shirts and some other stuff, ask hey, do
Speaker 1: you want to prog wrestling tea store? Do you want
Speaker 1: to do this? You want to do that? I'm like, Nah,
Speaker 1: let's let the other boys and girls do it. Man,
Speaker 1: they're good. I've been lucky, uh, you know. I just
Speaker 1: I've been pretty wise of my investments. I did pretty
Speaker 1: good with that. But I've always even at the height
Speaker 1: of whatever you want to call my career, even at
Speaker 1: the I was always preparing for life after. Like I
Speaker 1: just never had any faith that it was going to
Speaker 1: be a long road and there was gonna be a
Speaker 1: gigantic pot of gold at the end of it. Because
Speaker 1: for most people in the business, there's very few that
Speaker 1: can lead the industry and continue to make money by
Speaker 1: just being themselves, Like they have to find something else too,
Speaker 1: Like Undertaker is not going to be hurting, but a
Speaker 1: bunch of these people who are NXT for a couple
Speaker 1: of years and they get out, Like you can't tell
Speaker 1: promote or Hey, I need five hundred dollars in trans
Speaker 1: because I was NXT on their weekly TV show. It's
Speaker 1: just not going to work. Yeah, you've got to find
Speaker 1: other things to do. You gotta find a reason to
Speaker 1: get out of bed in the morning, Like, find something
Speaker 1: and put your energy into. And if you've made it
Speaker 1: through the business, and you've learned the lessons from the
Speaker 1: business to go the hard lessons and the easy lessons.
Speaker 1: If you learn, build up your toolbox with learning how
Speaker 1: to cut promos, learning how to work the gimmick, learning
Speaker 1: how to read people, learning how to read a room
Speaker 1: of people, learning how to get over, learning how to
Speaker 1: be charismatic. If you learn how to do all how
Speaker 1: to be confident. If you learn how to do all
Speaker 1: of that from wrestling and you put that in your
Speaker 1: tool belt, you made more than just a paycheck. And
Speaker 1: people don't always take stocking that. He's a smart guy.
Speaker 1: I'll put him over right now. He's a smart guy.
Speaker 1: We always talked about life after you and I, so
Speaker 1: I think we did pretty well for ourselves. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you're married, you got kids, you look great, you got
Speaker 1: shit going on. I mean, like, come on, let's be
Speaker 1: honest here, Like we are. That's how many people from
Speaker 1: our error are dead, bankrupt, underground nothing. I mean, it sucks.
Speaker 1: It really sucks to talk about it. It does. It's
Speaker 1: terrible and I hate it. But it's I just feel
Speaker 1: like and I hate when please people blame wrestling for it,
Speaker 1: because why are we blaming wrestling? Am I am I
Speaker 1: crediting wrestling with my success in life? Yeah? I am,
Speaker 1: And I'm also crediting good decision making, a good upbringing,
Speaker 1: making good choices. So wrestling helped me out a lot,
Speaker 1: just like it helped you out. Like you don't meet
Speaker 1: your husband if it's not because they're wrestling. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like, like you said, it's the
Speaker 1: choices that you do make. And for me, we were tempted,
Speaker 1: so to speak. We couldn't need poor choices, but we
Speaker 1: chose not to. So I always thank God that I
Speaker 1: just had the right mindset not to go that certain path,
Speaker 1: and the path that I did choose brought me to
Speaker 1: what I have now. So I'm very blessed, as are you.
Speaker 1: You know, we always joke about it, but we are
Speaker 1: two of the lucky ones. Yeah, And we have to
Speaker 1: give credit where credit is due, and credit ourselves because
Speaker 1: we made the choices. Are we gonna be remembered as E. C. W.
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers or like, oh my god, the greatest
Speaker 1: workers of what? No, we're not, But we should be
Speaker 1: remembered as people who always worked hard for the fan,
Speaker 1: the fans. We loved the business, we loved our friends
Speaker 1: in the business. We had a great time, and we
Speaker 1: made out of it one piece. We made a couple
Speaker 1: of bucks. We made success of ourselves outside of it.
Speaker 1: To me, is as impressive or more impressive than saying,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he was the greatest wrestler of all time,
Speaker 1: or oh my god, he was so great, Like we're
Speaker 1: good parents, you're a good wife. You know I'm single.
Speaker 1: Just hit him up, ladies, single and ready to bingle? Guys,
Speaker 1: can I say something quickly? So? I mean, I've interviewed
Speaker 1: you a couple of times in the past. The last
Speaker 1: time I saw you was the Pat Bucks show in
Speaker 1: New Jersey with Road Warrior Animals, an outdoor show. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that. That was like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was great. But here's what I'm gonna just say
Speaker 1: to anybody listening, aspiring wrestlers, people who want to get
Speaker 1: into the business. Anytime Nova does an interview, you should
Speaker 1: study it and you should listen to every word he says,
Speaker 1: because he's basically given you free advice. And that's anything
Speaker 1: I've ever taken from an interview you've done or a
Speaker 1: story you've told, is like you literally give the beginning, middle,
Speaker 1: and the end of what like how you should approach
Speaker 1: getting into the business or staying in the business. And
Speaker 1: I love it. Every time you do something, I'm there,
Speaker 1: I'm right up front. I started in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: I literally, over the course of my career was a trainee,
Speaker 1: a trainer. I built wrestling rings, I set up wrestling rings.
Speaker 1: I book shows, I booked territories, I wrote TV. I
Speaker 1: was a head of a developmental system. I was a
Speaker 1: talent that wrestled for every independent wrestling promotion in the
Speaker 1: United States. I wrestled in fifty countries. I wrestled for
Speaker 1: all the major promotion. I was basically in the ring
Speaker 1: with almost every top fifty superstar the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: All of that, and I did it and came out
Speaker 1: one piece. So usually when I talk, I mean i'll
Speaker 1: talk to people. I'll give as much advice as I
Speaker 1: can and if they don't listen, I'm cool man. I
Speaker 1: wake up tomorrow and can go to work like I don't.
Speaker 1: I just tell you what I think I would do,
Speaker 1: and it's usually right. And I hired a lot of
Speaker 1: good guys like I hired Kobi Kingston, Drew McIntyre, Santino Morella.
Speaker 1: I hired a whole host of guys that and I also,
Speaker 1: I still to this day, will talk to a mentor
Speaker 1: a lot of younger guys in the business, some in WBF,
Speaker 1: some and Ring of Honor, some of out Impact, and
Speaker 1: then they'll shoot the shop one day though cont hey, no,
Speaker 1: but can I run something by it? Because they know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be stayed between us, and I'm giving them.
Speaker 1: When you leave the wrestling bubble, as crazy as it sounds,
Speaker 1: of Francmo, one hundred percent know what I mean. When
Speaker 1: you leave the wrastling bubble, your mind becomes clearer, You
Speaker 1: look at it differently. You're not as so like mine
Speaker 1: worked by it. Where you're you're smarter about the business.
Speaker 1: You're just smart about how things work, how things would click.
Speaker 1: You know, friends in AW I tell them all the time,
Speaker 1: if this was ten years ago, I'd be sitting there
Speaker 1: right next to them as an agent on the show,
Speaker 1: taking part of something that their building because it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Like Frankie Daniels, De Bucks, all those guys code either
Speaker 1: killing it and I love it. I'm proud of them.
Speaker 1: But uh h, you step away from this and just
Speaker 1: take a breath for a second. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: a young wrestler out there, don't You're gonna get hired,
Speaker 1: You're gonna get fired, you're gonna get pushed, you're gonna
Speaker 1: sit in catering, You're gonna not do anything. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna have your This is a work sport run by
Speaker 1: the ultimate marks, and all we can do is control
Speaker 1: our look, our attitude, our image, our how we show
Speaker 1: up to the shows, how our our attitude is to
Speaker 1: our opponents. That's it. Nothing else you can control, none
Speaker 1: of it. Get in, don't get hurt, make some money,
Speaker 1: have fun, get out yet and there is life. There
Speaker 1: is life after wrestling. Correct. I love my life and
Speaker 1: I love I love traveling the world. We've Francine, we've
Speaker 1: seen stuff that will never forget, and we've done things
Speaker 1: always remember. But now a point in my life, what
Speaker 1: a ten year old daughter a great job. I do
Speaker 1: about one thousand hours of community service to work a year.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all over the place in Louisville, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade any of them for anything. I've had
Speaker 1: a great time in our careers. But yes, every journey
Speaker 1: we take is prepared for the next time. I have
Speaker 1: a hundred percent agree. I am so glad I finally
Speaker 1: got you on this show because I asked you a
Speaker 1: while ago and we just couldn't find the right time.
Speaker 1: Probably no, you didn't you said anything for you, queen,
Speaker 1: but then I didn't. You know. Then we kind of
Speaker 1: did our own thing. But I'm glad you did. I
Speaker 1: did you show ten years ago. That's one when we
Speaker 1: did a show for your sister. That Yeah, that's when
Speaker 1: I was Yeah, my sister and my dad had kissed.
Speaker 1: It's twelve years, I believe in Yeah, that was one
Speaker 1: of the last one. That was the last time I
Speaker 1: ever stepped in the arena. And when I did it,
Speaker 1: I said I would never Yep, I said I will
Speaker 1: never wrestle on the ECW arena ever again. I never did. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I there might be something that I can talk to
Speaker 1: you off the air later, But there might be something
Speaker 1: that you might be interested in for next year that
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep you in mind, figure it out
Speaker 1: for you. I'll do anything, Yeah, I know. I well,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. This was fun. I hope
Speaker 1: to see you somewhere. I don't know, you know what.
Speaker 1: We'll figure We'll figure it out. But tell your brother
Speaker 1: and everybody. I said, yeah, tell everybody, I said, hi,
Speaker 1: and just keep tell me who else you want to
Speaker 1: get on this. You want Donnie or some many the
Speaker 1: other ones or whatever. We'll get you a bunch of guests,
Speaker 1: whoever you want. We'll get your ratings up. Don't worry. Thanks,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, all right, take care and we're back
Speaker 1: in the real world here. And how great was that?
Speaker 1: That was hilarious. That was so insightful. And you know
Speaker 1: what's great about it, He hasn't done anything in such
Speaker 1: a long time, so I feel like it's it's an
Speaker 1: exclusive right, Yeah, very well. So that he was on
Speaker 1: with us on the two man power trip and I
Speaker 1: can't remember why I couldn't make the interview. So he
Speaker 1: did it in the car right, talk to John the
Speaker 1: whole way, checking into a hotel, getting food, the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and I missed it. So when I met him at
Speaker 1: the show I had mentioned at the end there with
Speaker 1: Road Warrior Animal, I got to finally sit down and
Speaker 1: chit chat with him, and like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: just literally, like I said, I can listen to everything
Speaker 1: he does. And you know what, you know what, I
Speaker 1: miss a lot about him on Facebook. It used to
Speaker 1: be him and his brother Donny b who he touched,
Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit, you know, one of them. Nova
Speaker 1: likes the Cowboys, and I think Donny Be's a giant Giants,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and they have like the roach bowl. They
Speaker 1: call each other roachy and they would have the roach
Speaker 1: bowl and like every week, like if Nova's if Dallas lost,
Speaker 1: Nova would go into hiding and like he wouldn't pick
Speaker 1: up the phone, and Donnie would be like, pick up
Speaker 1: the phone, you broach, you know, and it would just
Speaker 1: they would roast each other. And if the Giants lost,
Speaker 1: you know, Nova would make fun of Donnie Bee. That's
Speaker 1: what I miss, the camaraderie of the of the brothers.
Speaker 1: They're hysterical. But yeah, Nova's a great guy and a
Speaker 1: great talent and a good friend of mine. So that
Speaker 1: was a fun interview, So it was well worth the waist.
Speaker 1: It's good things come to those who wait, and that
Speaker 1: that was a really really, uh really fun interview, So
Speaker 1: thank you. I neglected to mention the time that my
Speaker 1: uncle and my cousins got his autograph in the Columbia
Speaker 1: airport and he knocked over his bag of chips that
Speaker 1: he was eating to sign their autograph. That's like my
Speaker 1: That that made me think of the story of one
Speaker 1: time my mom was somewhere and she had asked the
Speaker 1: gentleman who was holding a couple of coffee, could you
Speaker 1: tell me what time it is? And he goes sure,
Speaker 1: spilled his coffee to look at his watch. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: the same difference. That's funny. Yeah, but what Simon Dean
Speaker 1: doing eating a bag of chips? He's supposed to be
Speaker 1: the fitness guru. Yeah you're not. That was Nova eating
Speaker 1: the chips, not Simon Dean. It was Nova. Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: come on, not even a little bit for Simon Dean,
Speaker 1: not even a little bit, even a little bit. But
Speaker 1: you know, you know what, you know what I want
Speaker 1: to segue into, Oh, yes see, my whole basement's redone.
Speaker 1: I didn't grab mine, it's over by the door. I
Speaker 1: have always prepared, and I remember, look without me, kid,
Speaker 1: you'd be nothing. I know your mask has saved my life.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I have not caught COVID nineteen because I'm
Speaker 1: wearing my tip your mask and it comes in all
Speaker 1: these beautiful color. Well I only have two down here
Speaker 1: because I've been wearing the other ones. But look at
Speaker 1: these fun colors. That's I mean, they're fun. You know.
Speaker 1: The the kids when they're going back to school will
Speaker 1: have their tip jar masks as well. I have my
Speaker 1: my camouflage tip jar masks where a portion of your
Speaker 1: sale will go to the displaced bar and restaurant workers,
Speaker 1: the service workers, if you will. There's my fancy tip
Speaker 1: jar masks dot com that I wrote down on a
Speaker 1: piece of paper. Absolutely. They come in this beautiful sealed
Speaker 1: sanitary plastic and I'll tell you what. I had to
Speaker 1: put on a paper one, and I felt like I
Speaker 1: felt like I was sucking in like paper. And I
Speaker 1: had my glasses on that day and I was fogging
Speaker 1: up my glasses as I was I was like, forget
Speaker 1: the stupid thing. Yeah, and the paper one. The ear
Speaker 1: things are the elastic and they cut my ear. And
Speaker 1: this one is material and it just it's very comfortable.
Speaker 1: They're stretchy, they fit like a glove. It's like wearing
Speaker 1: a pair of underwear on your face telling you if
Speaker 1: you guys need a mask. It's such a good cause
Speaker 1: to you know, to help out the workers who have
Speaker 1: not been able to work. So tipjar masks dot com
Speaker 1: is the place to go. Absolutely and you know, anybody
Speaker 1: that you help out who helps out us is it's
Speaker 1: even better. So in the coming weeks, sent you and
Speaker 1: and they didn't give us a promo code. They didn't
Speaker 1: give us anything special. They just want to encourage people
Speaker 1: to go to that site because it is helping out
Speaker 1: these displaced workers. But if if there may be something
Speaker 1: with a promo code coming soon that you got to
Speaker 1: help us out with and use the damn promo code.
Speaker 1: I just just said, you out for a few weeks
Speaker 1: down the road. Until then, we do. We have another
Speaker 1: coming soon. It'll be in a couple of weeks, but
Speaker 1: we'll have a nice, yeah, nice, nice, big old reveal.
Speaker 1: And like I said, promo codes where people have to
Speaker 1: help and do their part, I like it. I like
Speaker 1: it a lot. Okay, So before we head to the
Speaker 1: wrap up, let's do some Disney. So Disney I need
Speaker 1: to pull it up because this was a lot of information.
Speaker 1: Did you hear about the layoffs? No you did not.
Speaker 1: I did, well. Okay, So Disney fired or laid off
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand employees. Wow, holy crap. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: California is still closed. They have not reopened. And now
Speaker 1: Bob Iger he with the California Recovery Task Force days
Speaker 1: after the huge Disney layoffs. So it's it's scary because
Speaker 1: now with all the people laid off, like it's up
Speaker 1: in the air when Disneyland is going to reopen. They're saying,
Speaker 1: treat theme parks the way you treat other sectors. Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you take that? They're telling California officials to
Speaker 1: let Disneyland reopen and to treat that the way you
Speaker 1: treat other sectors. I guess other parts of the Yeah,
Speaker 1: the state that are opening. Yes, if you're opening up,
Speaker 1: treat Disneyland the same way and open up Disneyland. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't heard anything coming out of Disney
Speaker 1: World with any people catching you know, the crowds have
Speaker 1: been up. If you're watching the videos, you know it's
Speaker 1: Halloween season down there and like I said before, decorations
Speaker 1: are everywhere. It's it's starting to get more crowded. And
Speaker 1: the social distancing. They're still trying to do it while
Speaker 1: you're getting on rides and stuff. But now I notice,
Speaker 1: like in watching these videos with like the parades, they
Speaker 1: don't have the full parades, but they have little you know,
Speaker 1: little floats coming down and the cavalcake cars and stuff.
Speaker 1: People are next to each other. So the social distancing,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of a problem. But everybody's still wearing
Speaker 1: a mask. So some people say mask aren't effective, some
Speaker 1: people say they are. I say, just wear it just
Speaker 1: in case. That's my take on it, you know. But yeah, Disneyland,
Speaker 1: there's nothing in sight that says they are going to
Speaker 1: open anytime soon. And all of those people got laid off.
Speaker 1: So Bob you he's asking you to take his place
Speaker 1: of the test about that. Yeah, So it's it's sad
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand people, especially during this time, you know,
Speaker 1: they did not have a magical day, no place, So
Speaker 1: who get Like do you watch South Park? I have,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I haven't watched it in years,
Speaker 1: but I recorded the Pandemic special. I haven't watched it yet.
Speaker 1: So you know that Mickey has become like a character
Speaker 1: on South Park, right, No, that's how long that happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, So I want to say,
Speaker 1: like six or seven years ago. Mickey made a one
Speaker 1: off appearance in an episode where they were kind of
Speaker 1: riffing on the Jonas brothers. Yeah, how Mickey he comes
Speaker 1: in in like a little business suit, like a business attire,
Speaker 1: Like he's got like a short sleeve white shirt with
Speaker 1: a tie and like khaki shorts. But he always comes
Speaker 1: in like he walks like Mickey, but he's curses, and
Speaker 1: he's aggressive and he's mean. Crette. Yeah, and he's it's
Speaker 1: that he's the head of Disney, right, that Mickey mass Disney.
Speaker 1: So in the last two years he's become like more
Speaker 1: of a regular character, and uh, he's got a big
Speaker 1: spot in the Pandemic special. But I wonder if that
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse is the one who laid off all these
Speaker 1: these people, because he can be a little crude and
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand people not. You can't just issue somebody
Speaker 1: that like twenty eight thousand people that lave and they
Speaker 1: have a magical day at the end, right, I know,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I just feel bad for all these people
Speaker 1: who who lost their jobs. It's just it's horrible. It's
Speaker 1: really bad. So and it was an all theme park.
Speaker 1: The article did not say it just says twenty eight
Speaker 1: thousand layoffs for Disneyland or I'm sorry for Disney in general.
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming a lot of those firings are in
Speaker 1: the park, but it could be it could be people
Speaker 1: in the office. I don't know. This is a This
Speaker 1: is South Park's Mickey Mouse. If you could see, Oh
Speaker 1: he's mad, he's got like a mouse. I see there
Speaker 1: you go. Ah, he's so cute though. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: the little business suito. Yeah. This week on Dance with
Speaker 1: the Stars, it was Disney Night, which is my favorite
Speaker 1: night of Dancing with the Stars ever. And Carol Baskin
Speaker 1: she is she one the Lion King, and of course
Speaker 1: she would and she got voted off finally, So there's
Speaker 1: my other tidbit about Disney. But Disney Knight is so magical.
Speaker 1: The women dressed like princesses and the characters and god,
Speaker 1: it's such a gorgeous evening and I love it so much.
Speaker 1: I'll take your word for it. I can't believe you
Speaker 1: don't watch dancing. I was thinking about something we could
Speaker 1: do for Patreon, so and was like watching something out
Speaker 1: of the norm for you know you or for me,
Speaker 1: and that if we were to make a list, that
Speaker 1: would probably be the top thing. The dumb mask singer.
Speaker 1: Let's watch one of those. I've never seen it, but
Speaker 1: people rave about it and say how great it is. Well,
Speaker 1: if you want to believe conspiracy theories, the masked singers
Speaker 1: conditioning people to wear the masks. Wasn't there a show
Speaker 1: connected with the mask singer called I Can See Your
Speaker 1: Voice or something which makes no sense to me? Did
Speaker 1: you right over my head? I have no idea I
Speaker 1: can see your voice? And I was like, how can
Speaker 1: you see somebody's voice? But I think you have to
Speaker 1: be Yeah, we'll do that one week in a few weeks.
Speaker 1: I'll pick the show for you, and you picked the
Speaker 1: show for me, and we'll just watch a segment each together.
Speaker 1: We no, no, we'll watch the show and we'll come
Speaker 1: back the next like, we'll watch so during the week
Speaker 1: the preview, right, Oh, I know what you're saying. You
Speaker 1: tell me you watch this, I tell you you watch that,
Speaker 1: and then we do an episode where we talk about
Speaker 1: what we watched. I mean, I'll go easy on you.
Speaker 1: I still want to watch some sort of horror movie
Speaker 1: and get your review of it and see how we
Speaker 1: sink up. But I think that could be good. You
Speaker 1: picked some off the wall show I wouldn't watch in
Speaker 1: a billion years, and I'll pick a show that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't watch in a trillion years. Okay, well that sounds good.
Speaker 1: My just got a show for me called Nikki Fresh
Speaker 1: that I can't wait to watch. It is with Nicole Richie.
Speaker 1: Remember her in Paris and had that. Yeah, it looks adorable.
Speaker 1: So that's my next conquest. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: binge watch Nikki Fresh. I think she's a rapper, she's
Speaker 1: supposed to. It's like a spoof, like it's a joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a joke. Yeah, it's a little sitcom. So it
Speaker 1: looks cute to me. She's back way to be Nicole Richie. What.
Speaker 1: Oh it's on Quibbi. Oh on Quibbi whatever quibbi is.
Speaker 1: But Quiby is another one of these like offshoot TV. Baby,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's on the moon. My husband
Speaker 1: gets it, We got it, Yes, he does get baby.
Speaker 1: I have I told you how much I love him lately,
Speaker 1: because I don't think I've said it. He loves you,
Speaker 1: we all do. So yeah, anything, I met it lately,
Speaker 1: but I thought I should maybe maybe ily, but he
Speaker 1: loves you. He's laughing. Yeah, so yeah, And I know
Speaker 1: this will air this, this will air after yeah, but tomorrow,
Speaker 1: which is Saturday. There is a challenge that I'm facing
Speaker 1: and I'm scared to death of it, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do it. I've never drank tequila straight ooh boy, never
Speaker 1: I have. Okay, so on only fans every week I
Speaker 1: do my live streaming, and I always, you know, you
Speaker 1: accept tips on OnlyFans, and because I don't get naked
Speaker 1: or anything, it's pretty hard to get tips on there sometimes.
Speaker 1: But I always give away a prize too for I
Speaker 1: pick like I used to do on YouTube. I will
Speaker 1: pick a name out live and somebody will win something.
Speaker 1: And so one of my members said, oh, you should
Speaker 1: drink tequila, and I said, I never drank tequila, and
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, well, we'll tip you. And if you
Speaker 1: make your tip, you said it amount. If you make it,
Speaker 1: you have to do shots live during the live stream.
Speaker 1: So tomorrow I will be hopefully drinking tequila because I
Speaker 1: hope that I make my tip amount. So now I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what my passed with tequila. So I've had
Speaker 1: it obviously in drinks, you know, with something. I had
Speaker 1: it in a Long Island iced tea. Yeah, love Long
Speaker 1: Island I sees, haven't had them in years. I say,
Speaker 1: having a Long Island I see is like eating a cheeseburger.
Speaker 1: Just it's like Schmorgas sport of a bunch of different things,
Speaker 1: like David Hasselhof feeding the cheese in the Let's say so,
Speaker 1: my biggest fight with tequila was my twenty third or
Speaker 1: twenty fourth birthday, and John, if he was here, would
Speaker 1: tell you all about it. As I had a rough
Speaker 1: day and the tequila shots came out maybe like ten
Speaker 1: minutes after we got to the bar, and we got
Speaker 1: there around eight something. We were gone by about nine
Speaker 1: to fifty because I was puking my guts out. How
Speaker 1: many did you drink? Oh? I think like six seven
Speaker 1: I was, And I still to this day I can
Speaker 1: remember how just out of it I was that they
Speaker 1: threw may. We went back to Liz's house. They threw
Speaker 1: me on the bed. I face planted down. I was
Speaker 1: puking the whole ride home. I was puking in the
Speaker 1: stall of the bar. There was just people like peeing
Speaker 1: all around. It was horrible. So then when they frightened,
Speaker 1: so they throw me on the bed right and they
Speaker 1: start doing like wrestling moves to me. They're put me
Speaker 1: in the crippler cross face and put me in the
Speaker 1: ankle lock, and I was I was dead to the world.
Speaker 1: I have not had tequila straight since that was like
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, maybe two thousand and four. We
Speaker 1: bought the Rocks new tequila. No, okay, it sposed to
Speaker 1: be smooth, but I don't know the difference between anything.
Speaker 1: So I just told myself, I'm gonna eat a hearty meal,
Speaker 1: have my belly full of food, and then I'll have
Speaker 1: water water, and I'll have a ginger Ale next to
Speaker 1: me too, because I when I get upset stomach, ginger
Speaker 1: Al does the track. But please text me when you're
Speaker 1: done so I can get a status update. I'll send
Speaker 1: you the film. It's gonna film. That's great, it should
Speaker 1: be fun. Well, good luck. Thanks, I appreciate it. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about it next week. That's not only fans. All right,
Speaker 1: well we'll head to the wrap up here. Uh you
Speaker 1: know again this this is not Patreon. So we'll give
Speaker 1: you the rest of the preview for this week of
Speaker 1: what we have coming for you in this eyes up
Speaker 1: here universe. Uh. First, we are going to look at
Speaker 1: some weird news and some kind of funny stories that
Speaker 1: I found. All have the same kind of tone to them,
Speaker 1: but just they're gonna You're gonna ask yourself some questions
Speaker 1: after this and be like, why that. That's all you're
Speaker 1: gonna say is why we're gonna do that. Then on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a little rando and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: throw some questions at you that I've written down, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's be about everything I have literally, like I picked
Speaker 1: stuff literally, like I saw something like I'll write that.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, just to see what the hell
Speaker 1: you want. You're thinking, Did you invent the word rando?
Speaker 1: Because I don't think I've ever heard it before you
Speaker 1: said it. I think you might have invented Let's say
Speaker 1: I stole it from somewhere, but for arguments sake, guy,
Speaker 1: I did invent it, Okay. And then we're going to
Speaker 1: close out the week with a watch along kind of
Speaker 1: kind of having to do with stuff we've talked about
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks. So we talked to
Speaker 1: Gary Wolf a few weeks ago. Okay, we talked about
Speaker 1: the One night Stand last week where you came in
Speaker 1: and took care of business and beat up Beulah. But
Speaker 1: we also mentioned the Shane shows, the Hardcore Homecoming series.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna look at franchise with Francine versus Gary Wolf.
Speaker 1: November Rain. I have not seen this in years, so
Speaker 1: I'm excited. That's great. So there you go. So that's
Speaker 1: gonna be the watch along. It's it's like a minute
Speaker 1: match to dog collar match. I have some questions just
Speaker 1: from my viewing of it. It was a part of
Speaker 1: the series of shows that you guys did that year,
Speaker 1: so so we were on tour when this this was
Speaker 1: I think it wasn't this might have even been the
Speaker 1: last one. Oh yeah, November fifth, two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: Where were Oh this one was in Philly? This one
Speaker 1: it was in Philly. Okay, sounds good to me. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I don't even remember it, so this
Speaker 1: will jore my memory. Awesome, all right, Well, we'll talk
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