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Speaker 1: All right, let's get it going right here and right now.

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Speaker 1: This is Eyes up Here, and you're listening to a

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Speaker 1: brand new Eyes up Here, exclusively on our Patreon channel

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Speaker 1: and also simulcasts on the Creative Control Network. If you

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Speaker 1: didn't know by now, my name is Chad and every

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Speaker 1: single week I'm joined here by the host of the show,

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Speaker 1: The Bespeckled One, the Queen of Extreme Francine. Queen, you

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Speaker 1: have four eyes today instead of two. They are new.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I have been getting the

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Speaker 1: worst headaches, headaches on Fridays when we film, because I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting in front of a computer all day long, and

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Speaker 1: my other glasses are I'm near sighted, so they're for distance, right.

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Speaker 1: And I went to the eye doctor a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago and I told them, I said, every time

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Speaker 1: I wear my glasses, I get really dizzy looking at

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Speaker 1: the computer screen. But if I don't wear any thing,

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Speaker 1: I still get dizzy and I get really bad headaches.

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Speaker 1: These are called computer glasses. So I had two options.

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Speaker 1: I could either get a new prescription with my other

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Speaker 1: ones and have three. There were biphobals, but there were

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Speaker 1: three different things. You can have reading, which I don't

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Speaker 1: need reading glasses regular for distance, and then for the computer.

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Speaker 1: So it was three levels. And I told them I

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Speaker 1: don't need reading I can see up close to no

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Speaker 1: problem right now. I'm not there yet, and they said, well,

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Speaker 1: then you need computer glasses. So these I only wear

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Speaker 1: when I am in front of a computer screen, or

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Speaker 1: I guess you can wear them in front of your eyepad.

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Speaker 1: Do they have that like blue tint to them or something?

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Speaker 1: There's those like blue something glasses. They were recommending them

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Speaker 1: calm optic or something. Yeah, something like that. I looked

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Speaker 1: it up, but I don't know how effective that is.

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Speaker 1: You can get an extra tint on these. But here's

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Speaker 1: the kicker. With my insurance, these are excuse me, thirty

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Speaker 1: seven thirty eight dollars. The extra coating was eighty five dollars.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I said, listen, I only wear

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Speaker 1: them on Fridays. I don't really think I need an

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Speaker 1: extra coating, so I didn't. I cheaped out and I

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Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that the headaches go away. And it

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Speaker 1: helps me. So yes, I am. I'm librried out, Libryan.

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Speaker 1: They're quite reflective. They're like my sunglasses on the top.

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Speaker 1: I have my ring, my light ring here. I know,

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Speaker 1: like two or three weeks ago, I recorded the Triple

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Speaker 1: Threat podcast at like eleven thirty at night. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm half dead, and me and Shane literally

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Speaker 1: looked like we were about to like keel over. So

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Speaker 1: I had to put my glasses on, right, But I

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Speaker 1: They are just they're useless. It was so you couldn't

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Speaker 1: I couldn't see coke bottle. Yeah, you couldn't. You couldn't see.

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Speaker 1: been like this the whole time, like I'm like drugs.

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Speaker 1: We were like, oh my God, got me out of here.

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Speaker 1: I was like, dear God, I'm ready to kiel over

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Speaker 1: that's all you need? That's all you need. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: So hopefully, I mean, it's you know, people are still

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Speaker 1: And I don't care about vaccines whatever. People are still

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Speaker 1: and all these other people did. It's just one of

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Speaker 1: What can we do? It just scares me, I know

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Speaker 1: I you know, as everybody. I just wanted to go away.

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Speaker 1: that you're welcome, you are well, thank you. I can't

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Speaker 1: completely thankful of this because I don't take it lightly.

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Speaker 1: I just can't even begin to express my luck I've

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Speaker 1: Here's all right, Can you move back? Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: the Dino Santa shows. That's where I first met Dreamer,

422
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of the North East Indy guys. Because that's

423
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: how you started. Like you went to a school, you

424
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: bounced around, you sent your tapes out to Dennis or Dino,

425
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: or you worked for down in Baltimore. You just worked

426
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: for Tommy d and Staten Island or Mike Dano, like

427
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: whoever had shows on the weekend. Just getting a car

428
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: and drive. You brought your gear bag. If you got

429
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: twenty bucks, maybe you have to be on the Battle Royal,

430
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you could be on. But you know,

431
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: so we were. That's how we started. And Donnie has

432
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: never gotten to the physical part of it. Becau's not

433
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: for everybody. And then that's how you met. I never

434
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: met you before before, e W. I doubt it. Like

435
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: you didn't start with Gary and them until when well

436
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: I started in ninety three. J A. Smith and I

437
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: trained with Stevie. Okay, so you start like a year

438
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: I started the beginning of ninety two, so a year

439
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: after you never crossed paths until easy dub No. I

440
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: only went down to the arena to train. They had

441
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: the you know, the ring that was in the back,

442
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: and I I mean that was it. Honestly, that's how

443
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: a lot of them more like somebody had a building,

444
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: a warehouse and school like something like that. When I

445
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: see these things now, like these standing the nice training facilities. Yeah,

446
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: not even wws like other guys that have these amazing

447
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: schools and all these I'm like guys. I mean, Mike

448
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: Sharp's was the old boxing ring that got converted to

449
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: a wrestling ring and we didn't know anybout it. So

450
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: it is a different time and we're not gonna be

451
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: the old times that pound our fists and say hey,

452
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: this is when we did it. But it was when

453
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: I tell you, it was different, it was different. And

454
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that because I think about this

455
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: often too. Do you feel like, twenty twenty five years ago,

456
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: if it was that way, do you think you would

457
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: have made it? Uh? I don't like having to do

458
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: the like the because I've watched I've seen them like

459
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: the you know, the the girls and stuff go through

460
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: the performance center and with the drills and this and

461
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: that and the other thing. I was trained a lot

462
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: different like for us. It wasn't so like strict so

463
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: to speak. It was it was it was more that's

464
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: what it is now now it's like, hey, Like when

465
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: I came down, it was part of OBW. It was Hey,

466
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: eight thirty in the morning, training more and more regimented,

467
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: doing drills and cardio and all that stuff, which I

468
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. Like even now when

469
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: I oversaw the developmental system, I actually, you know, that's

470
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: kind of what we're moving towards. But I think to

471
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: people now it's easier to get into it, it's harder

472
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: to stay in it. Like it's easier to get signed,

473
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: it's harder to stay signed. So that's their penance, so

474
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: to speak, like getting signed off the street or they

475
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: did another sport or whatever how they did before they

476
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: before they learned they had a lifelong dream and want

477
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: to be a wrestler. Brother, if this is what they

478
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: have to do to come in and be part of it.

479
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: You're doing drills and cardio and updowns and tackles and

480
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: all that ten thousand stuff because they're not doing any

481
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: of this stuff anywhere else, Like they're not getting matches,

482
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: they're not doing shows anywhere. So I mean that's the

483
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: tradeof right. But the way you would have done, we

484
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: would have done it, mean the way you said you

485
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: were a fan and you would go and you would

486
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: just watch, right, and they said, oh, come in the ring.

487
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: He said, come in the ring. Would you have gone

488
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: if you knew like that it was like this, like

489
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: you did. He just said get in the ring on

490
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: a whim, right, and you were like, yeah, let me

491
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: try this. Yeah, we would all the time and watching

492
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: Mike's Hey, give it a shot. So I got in

493
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: the ring and ran the ropes a little bit and

494
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: then Mike helped us out. Mike was not a We

495
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: didn't have time to Hey, everybody, get there eight o'clock

496
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 1: at night. That's you know, the classes were later at

497
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: night and none of the rest of the schools were

498
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: like they are now though, So, yeah, what was it

499
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind that you wanted to

500
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: be in this business? I kind of thought it was

501
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: pretty cool, but it was so beyond like, you know,

502
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: we had a dad, who had a garage door business

503
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: this whole until he passed away years ago. My mom

504
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: was a stay at home mom, like we had no

505
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: relatives in the business, no family. I sat at home

506
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: watching Hogan versus Andre at WrestleMania three, always a young

507
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: Mark fan, like it was five point ten at that point,

508
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: two hundred something pounds of like a little nerdy comic book,

509
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: sci fi nerdy fat kid. It's never a million years

510
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: enter my head that I can actually be a wrestler. Okay,

511
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: So for Mike to jump in the ring and school

512
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: around it was cool, and for me it was, hey,

513
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: this is gonna be like my baseball softball like bowling

514
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: league kind of. Mike had showed it to the school

515
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: every two weeks. That's where I first met Stidi, to

516
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: my Sharp shows. So we would do those shows and

517
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: I was like, this is it. This is never going

518
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: to go I'm gonna be like I was going to

519
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: school for mathematics and computer science. So I was like, this,

520
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna scool around

521
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: with this and I'm never ever gonna do anything with it.

522
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 1: I didn't care. Yeah, like every time you ever got

523
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: another milestone of the business, at least when we were

524
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: in it, Like you chalked it up to Wow, that's cool, man,

525
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: I can't believe I pulled that off. Like when I

526
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: stood in the ring of WrestleMania, I just kind of

527
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: looked around like that's it. Like I've just played for

528
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: the Yankees. There's nothing more than this. I we accomplished

529
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: the grandest stage. So everything after that was well shit.

530
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: I mean now the kids now, I do think for

531
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: the guy, the people that are in it now, I

532
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be as crippling to them

533
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: or crushing to a lot of them when they do

534
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: eventually get released or quit or move on like people

535
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: that came up in our era, which I think led

536
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: a lot to the pills, the alcohol, the depression, all

537
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: of that. Because the spotlight got taken off of us,

538
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: we didn't get to be part of the life. Brother,

539
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: we weren't in it anymore. These fans like I hate

540
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: to use this term, but like when I left the

541
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: wrestling business, it was it's stung. I can it can

542
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: it to like getting divorced, So now if you love

543
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: that when he got divorced, it really bothers you like

544
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: these people now, a lot of them they got in

545
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. Well, hell they're in three

546
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: to four or five years and they're still like thirty

547
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: or thirty one. They got out, they got the whole

548
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: rest of their life. They're not gonna give a shit

549
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: that they were the w NXT whatever the hell it

550
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: was for two years. They should have moved on. Do

551
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: you remember do you remember the last show that we

552
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: did in Pine Bluff? And do you remember you pulling

553
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: up in the car next to me? Do you remember

554
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: what you did? No professional memory. I remember the show

555
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: because it was I'm crying, right, I'm so depressed. I'm crazy.

556
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: We all knew, we all knew everybody. Yeah, and everybody

557
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: goes to the ring and everybody's having a beer. You

558
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: hope a lot more than most though. You really did

559
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: like you were an optimist all the way to the end.

560
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: I tried because Paul kept telling me, and Okay, so

561
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm upset and I get in the car and we're

562
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: driving and Novell pulls off. I don't even know who

563
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: was in our cars. He goes like this, rolled down

564
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: the window. I rolled down the window and he's you guys, Oh,

565
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: we come. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you were

566
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: so sad. It wasn't uncommon for EASYW like I was

567
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: one hundred percent known as like the asshole, smart ass smart.

568
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: All were always friends, Yeah, of course, we all were

569
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: like nobody hated each other, even people and had the

570
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: quote unquote heat with his brother. I never really hated

571
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: any of them. There was a couple of whom rubbed

572
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 1: me the wrong way you now and then, but I

573
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: never cared about it years later, like to me, like

574
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: Dreamer said at one time, like the E c W

575
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: Heat died with E c W. And I always felt

576
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: the same way, like I just never really, I don't know, man,

577
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: it just never there was There was no giant amount

578
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: of enough money for me to be so mad at

579
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: somebody that I'd stab him in the back or finish

580
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: them off for just so incensed that they screwed me

581
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: over for this pot of gold, you know what I mean.

582
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: It was just it was fool gold. I mean, we

583
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: were there for the love of it. We all liked

584
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: each other. We had a great time. I've been asked

585
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: way more in my lifetime what was it like to

586
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: wrestle at the ECW Arena than I was ever asked

587
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 1: about wrestling at the Garden at a wrestle Mania and

588
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: La and Tokyo and any of it. Yeah, yeah, at

589
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: the tables, a lot of the boys always say to me,

590
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: you know how lucky you are that you worked for ECW.

591
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: We would guess to work for ECW, like and I'm

592
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: just like I do. Yeah, there's a lot of guys

593
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: who were fans or in the business now, like guys

594
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name all the names. If there's a

595
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 1: shitload of guys who are in the business now who

596
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: I met over the years who said to me their

597
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: goal when they got into wrestling was to wrestle for ECW,

598
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't to be a W Superstars WW. Nobody ever.

599
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: First of all, nobody ever mentions WCW. Now that's not

600
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: because we both had a lot of friends that worked there.

601
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: Oh of course, a single person that said to me, man,

602
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: I can't believe that w W would have a business,

603
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: and that was it. Like never, Like there's talent on

604
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: the w roster right now, like main roster talent who

605
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: told me when they were growing up as kids that

606
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: they were huge ECW fans, that that's what they wanted

607
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: to wrestle. How did you get involved with ECW. You

608
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that you met Streamer and Stevie. You know

609
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: a good we have a mutual benefactor in that in Levy. Okay.

610
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: So here's how it start. I was at a New

611
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: Jack City Wrestling show in New Jersey. We were all

612
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: there doing the show late nineteen. It was beginning of

613
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: ninety six. The main event on the show was Levy

614
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: versus Mikey. Mary Kate was there, her mom was there,

615
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: Bella doing the TV shirt money, everybody was there. So

616
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: intermission comes and I'm wrestling on the show, the superhero Kate,

617
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: the Outfit, the whole deal in a tag match after

618
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: are you super nov the whole deal? So I met

619
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: Levy and passengers like, hey, what's going on man at

620
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: the show? I never met him before, but Stevie was

621
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: already teener with him and stuff. Stevie was getting pushed

622
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: and he needs to go to your tax team champion.

623
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: All this time because I was taking w Rena several

624
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: times as a fan, even though it is at Mike Sharps,

625
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: just like in the audience to see the show. Because

626
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: Stevie would get his tickets and I was like, holy shit,

627
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: this is incredible, never in a millionaires. So thought i'd

628
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: be there, so leave. He's on the show. At intermission,

629
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: Bella says to me, hey, Nova, Scotty wants to talk

630
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: to you. Because I was on early on the show.

631
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, what did I do wrong? And

632
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 1: I only knew him at this point. He's like Johnny

633
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: Polo and all that stuff, And Ring's like, oh my god,

634
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: why do you want to talk to me? So he

635
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: pulls me aside. He's like, hey man, he's like this

636
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: superhero thing. Is it? Like, are you serious with this

637
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: or what? It's like? This is like Adam West Batman

638
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: kind of. I go yeah. He goes, this is great.

639
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: He goes, give me a tape of just your ring.

640
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: Entrance is running around with the kids doing cartwheels and

641
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: all that. He goes, I want to show up to

642
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: Paul and Tommy and Taz. I'm making a little group

643
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: in ECW. He goes, I got Stevie there. He goes,

644
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: We're getting this big fat guy from Philadelphia and named

645
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him the Blue MIENI from Yellow Submers.

646
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: And I had no idea what the hell that was.

647
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: This is late ninety five, beginning at Yar in middle

648
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: ninety five. So I said, okay, I'll put the tape together.

649
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: I go home, and this is when you had to

650
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: have two VCRs to like record tape record. So I'm

651
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: making this highlight tape of me doing my shit, and

652
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: Leevy says, hey, you know, bring the tape up to

653
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: Moon Dancers and drop it off on me. I'm like,

654
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: all right, no problem. So I'm home and I'm looking

655
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: at like the phone book and all this. I said,

656
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: what is Moon Dancers, Well, it's the strip club. So

657
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: I put the tape together, and me and Donnie b

658
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: and Rock o' dorsey we go to Moon Dancers one

659
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: night to look. Now, imagine us straight walkingt like our

660
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: normal cities and all that, walking into the Booby Club

661
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: to go find me. Oh my god. We walk in.

662
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: There's a Levy behind the DJ thing putting himself over

663
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: doing whatever. Walk in. I give them the tape. He says, Oh,

664
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, kid, the whole deal. I leave. Three

665
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: days later, I get home from Wendy's that's where I

666
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: was working at the time, and my mom's like, hey,

667
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: there's some dynam raven or something on the answer machine.

668
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: He left you a message, and I'm like, oh my god. Really,

669
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: So he's like, yeah, hey kid, you know I saw

670
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: your tape. You know, Taz and Tommy they really loved it.

671
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: Man could come on down to the next arena show

672
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: and we'll see what we can do for you. So

673
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm already freaking out, like, oh my god. So the

674
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: next arena show, I'd go down there, and to this day,

675
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: it was, besides Olivia's birth, it was the scariest all

676
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: in my life. Walking towards the entrance away where it

677
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: was and it was ron Ronnie Atlas was out there,

678
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, can you go back there and

679
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: tell Raven a guy named Nova's hair for him. So

680
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: like five minutes later, Ronnie comes through the curt and

681
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, come on back. I'm like, holy shit,

682
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 1: here it is. I walk in the back. The first

683
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: one that came up through his Beulah. She's like, hey, hey,

684
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: I saw your tape too. I saw It's really funny.

685
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: You're the superhero, right. I'm like yeah, And I was like, hey,

686
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: nice to meet you. And then Tommy came over eating

687
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: a hot dog. He's like, hey, Dino Santa, how you

688
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: doing because I knew him from Tom from Dinos. And

689
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: he hands me a hot dog and goes, uh, I

690
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: love your tape man, And it's great. If you just

691
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: want to start showing up to the shows, we'll have

692
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: your car up to the ring with Scotty. You'd be

693
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: part of whatever the hell he wants to do with

694
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: this flock thing. Here's your first payday. And he had

695
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: me a hot dog and I was like, and I

696
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: just started going to the shows doing the flock stuff

697
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: with Raven and Stevie and Meanie and we were and

698
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: looking back on it, we were nothing more than the

699
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: window dressing to his act. And that's what we were.

700
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Scotty brought a whole bunch of us in,

701
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: like well, a lot of us got to be brought in.

702
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: It's like extras. And then through the hard work and

703
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: what we did to get ourselves over, we took the

704
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: ball and ran with it. We got off everybody. There

705
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: were so many people that would come to ECW and

706
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: just kind of like showed up. They tried to be

707
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: part of the act. And you, I mean, Jesus Christ,

708
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: we can name a ton of people like that. But

709
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: that's how it all started. Do you feel like you

710
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: said it earlier? People just wanted to work in ECW.

711
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: You had a pretty good career in WWE. How did

712
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: you get Tommy's job in the office? And which company

713
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: did you like working for better? Because honestly, I want

714
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: people to get I was always I always This is

715
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: going to sound really crazy, but I'm telling you take

716
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: this advice. If you're listening to this, if you can

717
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: be try to be successful outside the ring too, and

718
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: not just always come across as a wrestler. Like I

719
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: always viewed myself as someone who was in the wrestling business.

720
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: I never viewed myself as a wrestler brother. I didn't.

721
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: So I was college educated, I was intelligent, I was

722
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: well spoken, I was regimented, and I always tried to

723
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: not only just worry about the working inside the ring.

724
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: I worried about the working outside of the ring, which

725
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: carries over into the real world. I tell my people

726
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: all the time, the real world is a work. If

727
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: you learn how to work the gimmick in the real world,

728
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: you can get over. That's all that matters. So I'm

729
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: w I've been through OBW, I've been through the system.

730
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: I've been well traveled. I knew everybody in the Independence,

731
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: So when they were getting ready to launch ECW, Tommy

732
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: Dreamer in an office setting was probably like somebody with

733
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: a size twelve foot trying to wear like a size

734
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: five shoe. It just wasn't a good fit. This is

735
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: out of his mouth. He hated it. The highlight of

736
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: Tommy's day was walking around Titan Tower with thumbtacks sticking

737
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: him in his head to walk into the offices of

738
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: the other employees who were there to freak them out,

739
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: or taking pencils and throw them in the ceiling and

740
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: watch them a stick. But Tommy helped out a lot

741
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: of guys because you could like good old boy at

742
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: kind of back then still, and the minute they were

743
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: thinking about relaunching E. C. Dub I knew that Simon

744
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: Dean I was kind of burnt down on SmackDown. I

745
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: kind of hate it going because it just was a

746
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: miserable place to be. There were so many guys, they

747
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: gave you a hard time and it just as lows

748
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: and today's environment is apparently a million times better. So

749
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the guys that are now

750
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: should be very thankful what they have. But there was

751
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of pieces of shit I was around. I

752
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: hated it going, and they asked me the opportunity. I said,

753
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: you know what, if there's a chance to be able

754
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: to be behind the scenes and help out young talent

755
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: so they don't get lost in the mix, to try

756
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: to get him a shot, I took it. So because

757
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: I knew I was never going to be a lifer either.

758
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: I figured I'd be there for a couple of years

759
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: and maybe then move on. Like there was no part

760
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm forty eight. There was no part in any of

761
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: my plan that ever said I'm gonna be working in

762
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: the pro wrestling business when I'm in my forties. Ever,

763
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: I never ever thought. I always wanted to do more,

764
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: always right, and I liked wrestling where there's parts of

765
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: WWF we like. I liked uh. I met some lifelong

766
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: fans friends there. It was cool and you know, honestly,

767
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: where we grew up, we were w E fans, Like

768
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: that's the place you always wanted to wind up. So

769
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: so nobody can ever tell us like something's impossible, because

770
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: even like when my employees do they say something's impossible,

771
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: it is said, I hold up one of my action

772
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: figures and I'm like, well, this was impossible. I'm like,

773
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: getting to twenty five new households for the month, that's

774
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: not impossible. Guys. This as like a fat Mark kid

775
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: from Tom's New New Jersey. This was impossible. I mean,

776
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: you've got to post up in perspective, right, So, but

777
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: I like, I love There's It's just something about ECW

778
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: being part of it. We just were all cool group.

779
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: I hung out with everybody from whether it was Van

780
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: Dam or Sandman, the top guys are talking to Paul

781
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: or even travel with Randy in the van or whatever

782
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: the hell we were doing. Man, we just all had

783
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: a good time. There was never we were all in

784
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: our early late twenties, early thirties, if that traveling around

785
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: having a good time. I mean, you know, I didn't

786
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: partake in a lot of the craziness that everybody else.

787
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: A lot of the guys did. They had a lot

788
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: more fun than I did in that aspect. But I

789
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: got to see the United States, man, I got to travel.

790
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: I had fun. We had a great time. Would you

791
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: have left if the company continued, I don't know, because

792
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: like when they were getting ready to collapse, we knew

793
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: it was going South, Like before the Pine Bluff show,

794
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: I had already talked to Johnny Ace who was in WW.

795
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: Johnny As had called me multiple times to bring me

796
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: in the cruiseweight division, so I knew EW and I

797
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Paul said, if something happens, he's

798
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: gonna bring us all in that kind of deal. That's cool, man,

799
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it is what it is. But

800
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: I was if they had kept going, me and C.

801
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: W Anderson would have feuded over the TV title. I

802
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: would have because it right right when we collapsed, right

803
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: when we folded. I was in peak physical condition. I

804
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: was over. I had a huge following. I was getting

805
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: one of the best reactions of the night. I mean,

806
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: that's just reality. And go back and watch the pay

807
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: per views, so my music would hit the place we

808
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: go ape shit, and I was they just because they

809
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: saw me go from a flunky running around the ring

810
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: with Scottie to team with Meani doing the BWO, the metamorphosis,

811
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: through that teaming with Chetty, all through that and now

812
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: like the fans felt like they took that five year

813
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: ride with me, so now it's getting ready to pay

814
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: it off. Like I was looking forward to wrestling Jerry

815
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: Lynn and Van Dam and like all those guys in

816
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: legitimate matches, like the real matches where the fans would

817
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: have bought the false finishes, not a shit would have

818
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: been Nova for the BWO wrestling against Rob Van Dam.

819
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: It would have been like Nova is kicking the kick

820
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: ass Nova first, Rob Van Dam. I feel like we,

821
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, we had so much experience at that point

822
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: under our belt, and we had so much more to give.

823
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it hurt me so much

824
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: the way it went under, because a we hung on

825
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: for dear life. We sunk with the ship, right, we stayed,

826
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: but we had come so far and just all of

827
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: us has We've grown so much in that company, and

828
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: we were all at the top of our game, like

829
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: you said, and then it was just like the rug

830
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: was pulled from under us. And and that is off

831
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: to this day. You know, imagine buying stockcks, right, so

832
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: let's envision all of us are a stock and over

833
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: five year time, each one of our stock keeps raising

834
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: and raising and raising, and the stock is about to

835
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: go bananas, and then all the companies go bankrupt. Like

836
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: that's how I viewed up, Like all of our stock

837
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: was about to become Amazon, and then the company just

838
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: went away, which is crazy because we had video game deals,

839
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: Action figure deals, the TNN thing collect that was the shits.

840
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, there are so many things that went

841
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: wrong that it was. Especially what always bothered me was

842
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: WWF By's WCW. So that's one of the competitors went away.

843
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: So in theory, if we've been able to hold on

844
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: from end of like six months to a year, it

845
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: just would have been us in the WF. Do you

846
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: have a theory? Because for me, I think back and

847
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: people ask me all the time, and I never know

848
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: how to answer this question honestly, and maybe I'm just

849
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: naive or I'm just dumb and I missed something. Do

850
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: you think that Paul did not want to sell the

851
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: company to, like say a Billy Corgan who allegedly offered

852
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: him a million dollars to take ECW right? Do you

853
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: think Paul did not want to sell it because that

854
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: was his baby and he didn't want anyone else to

855
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: have it. I do I think that he ultimately no

856
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: matter what, like, look, I have no ill will towards

857
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: Paul Hayman. Here's a wrestling here's the thing. Paul Hayman

858
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: was a wrestling promoter, and I wrestled for Paul Hayman.

859
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: That's it. Our relationship never really went much further than that.

860
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: He was a boss. I was an employee. Hey, Paul,

861
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: what's up, boss? Like that was it? Like, I mean,

862
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of resent. Yeah, it was money owed

863
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: after collapse and all that, sure, whatever, I mean, but

864
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: that's all, like, it's not tangible money that I can

865
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: There was bonuses and pay for view and like all

866
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: that stuff. So it sucked, but I'm not mad about it.

867
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: But I do think, you know, at the end of

868
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: the day, the company that Paul started went bankrupt and

869
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: went under and it went away. So I think that

870
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: probably in the back of his mind he always thought

871
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: that they could salvage it or save it or something.

872
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: I don't think he sat around at the eleventh hour

873
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: saying I'm good, I'm gonna get out of here and

874
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: let them hold the bag and get the hell out

875
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: of Dodge. I just don't Over the years, I've changed

876
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: my stance on that. I just don't. You know. It

877
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: definitely bothered him too, Like there's no atter if he

878
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: didn't sit up multiple nights to be like, I can't

879
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: believe this is happening, because there was no guarantee that

880
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: he was gonna go walk in the door somewhere either.

881
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul didn't exist. He had probably nuclear he

882
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: did some places with people, and probably still to this day.

883
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: There's like old weird old timers a heat thing where

884
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: people hate each other until they go to the grave.

885
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: So I know, I just never know how to answer

886
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: that question, because we were kind of in the dark

887
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: for most of the you know, we just showed up

888
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: and worked, and if we got paid, it was it

889
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: was a bonus. And if we didn't get paid, we

890
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: would just all sit around and buy a pizza and

891
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: share slices, just kind of hang out with each other.

892
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: You know. If we sat there at the end of

893
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: the night and when Debbie Beaumont came walking over a

894
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: scent Finnigan or one of the guys of Pee Wee

895
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: but your little paper check and gave it to you,

896
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: and you opened it up and there's a couple of

897
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: weeks worth of pay on there, You're like, yes, and

898
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: then the big rib. I used to go to sound

899
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: Guy Randy live near me, so me and sound Guy

900
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: Randy would drive up to JP Morgan Mellon Bank, I

901
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: think it was Melon Bank, and Chase we would drive

902
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: up to Woodbridge. You know. We would drive up to

903
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: that Woodbridge bank a lot and wait there on Monday

904
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: morning for the bank to open up because we knew

905
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: the depositible the weekend we're in that account. And once

906
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of us went in and got our

907
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: checks by one or two o'clock in the afternoon, that

908
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: account was gonna be no good. So we'd beat talking

909
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: at seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning waiting for

910
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: the bank to open at nine so we can run

911
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: in there and cast our checks. Yes, meet at one

912
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: hundred three, and I did that one. We beat Maloney

913
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: there a bunch of times. Mahoney came like he would

914
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: call me at two o'clock. No, what the hell, man,

915
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: They said, you got Yeah. I remember Dawn and I

916
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: we went there and we were standing there and the

917
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: ladies like, there's no money in this account. And we

918
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: just looked in at Joe and we were like, how

919
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: can there not be any funds? Like, there's no money

920
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: in the account. It's just it's beyond my comprehension. But

921
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: it did but what do you doing? Tell the people,

922
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: what are you doing now with your life? I had

923
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: for the last I retired basically over ten years ago.

924
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: I've done like a couple of little appearances, a little

925
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: couple things here or there. I might do something for

926
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Matthews and his guys next year in Alaska with Meanie.

927
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: Donnie Bee had a rescheduled show that was for this year.

928
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna do it next year in Lacey and New Jersey.

929
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: And I'll do that with Meani And That'll probably be

930
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: the last physical thing I ever do. But I work

931
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: in convention. I do a couple conventions every now and then,

932
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: but even then, like unless Ninie wants to do it

933
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: or Stevie or something like that, I really don't want

934
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: to do them. I've been very blessed and very lucky,

935
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: Like I worked really hard the last decade in the

936
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: financial field. I oversee a branch of a financial institution

937
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: here Louisville. I have a great job, great benefits. The

938
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: company loves me. I love the company. They take great

939
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: care of me. So I don't really hustle the convention

940
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: circle a whole lot and do a whole lot of

941
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: those because there's a lot of people that I worked

942
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: with who are still in the wrestling world who never

943
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: really got out of it. I'd rather than make the money.

944
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: I honestly don't care. Like even when it comes to

945
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: the T shirts and some other stuff, ask hey, do

946
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: you want to prog wrestling tea store? Do you want

947
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: to do this? You want to do that? I'm like, Nah,

948
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: let's let the other boys and girls do it. Man,

949
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: they're good. I've been lucky, uh, you know. I just

950
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: I've been pretty wise of my investments. I did pretty

951
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: good with that. But I've always even at the height

952
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: of whatever you want to call my career, even at

953
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: the I was always preparing for life after. Like I

954
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: just never had any faith that it was going to

955
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: be a long road and there was gonna be a

956
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: gigantic pot of gold at the end of it. Because

957
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: for most people in the business, there's very few that

958
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: can lead the industry and continue to make money by

959
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: just being themselves, Like they have to find something else too,

960
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: Like Undertaker is not going to be hurting, but a

961
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: bunch of these people who are NXT for a couple

962
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: of years and they get out, Like you can't tell

963
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: promote or Hey, I need five hundred dollars in trans

964
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: because I was NXT on their weekly TV show. It's

965
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: just not going to work. Yeah, you've got to find

966
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: other things to do. You gotta find a reason to

967
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: get out of bed in the morning, Like, find something

968
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: and put your energy into. And if you've made it

969
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: through the business, and you've learned the lessons from the

970
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: business to go the hard lessons and the easy lessons.

971
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: If you learn, build up your toolbox with learning how

972
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: to cut promos, learning how to work the gimmick, learning

973
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: how to read people, learning how to read a room

974
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: of people, learning how to get over, learning how to

975
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: be charismatic. If you learn how to do all how

976
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: to be confident. If you learn how to do all

977
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: of that from wrestling and you put that in your

978
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: tool belt, you made more than just a paycheck. And

979
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: people don't always take stocking that. He's a smart guy.

980
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: I'll put him over right now. He's a smart guy.

981
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: We always talked about life after you and I, so

982
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: I think we did pretty well for ourselves. And yeah,

983
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: you're married, you got kids, you look great, you got

984
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: shit going on. I mean, like, come on, let's be

985
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: honest here, Like we are. That's how many people from

986
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: our error are dead, bankrupt, underground nothing. I mean, it sucks.

987
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: It really sucks to talk about it. It does. It's

988
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: terrible and I hate it. But it's I just feel

989
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: like and I hate when please people blame wrestling for it,

990
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: because why are we blaming wrestling? Am I am I

991
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: crediting wrestling with my success in life? Yeah? I am,

992
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: And I'm also crediting good decision making, a good upbringing,

993
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: making good choices. So wrestling helped me out a lot,

994
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: just like it helped you out. Like you don't meet

995
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: your husband if it's not because they're wrestling. Yeah, right,

996
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like, like you said, it's the

997
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: choices that you do make. And for me, we were tempted,

998
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: so to speak. We couldn't need poor choices, but we

999
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: chose not to. So I always thank God that I

1000
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: just had the right mindset not to go that certain path,

1001
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: and the path that I did choose brought me to

1002
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: what I have now. So I'm very blessed, as are you.

1003
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: You know, we always joke about it, but we are

1004
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: two of the lucky ones. Yeah, And we have to

1005
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: give credit where credit is due, and credit ourselves because

1006
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: we made the choices. Are we gonna be remembered as E. C. W.

1007
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers or like, oh my god, the greatest

1008
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: workers of what? No, we're not, But we should be

1009
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: remembered as people who always worked hard for the fan,

1010
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: the fans. We loved the business, we loved our friends

1011
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: in the business. We had a great time, and we

1012
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: made out of it one piece. We made a couple

1013
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: of bucks. We made success of ourselves outside of it.

1014
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: To me, is as impressive or more impressive than saying,

1015
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, he was the greatest wrestler of all time,

1016
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: or oh my god, he was so great, Like we're

1017
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: good parents, you're a good wife. You know I'm single.

1018
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: Just hit him up, ladies, single and ready to bingle? Guys,

1019
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: can I say something quickly? So? I mean, I've interviewed

1020
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: you a couple of times in the past. The last

1021
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: time I saw you was the Pat Bucks show in

1022
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: New Jersey with Road Warrior Animals, an outdoor show. I

1023
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that. That was like yeah, yeah, yeah,

1024
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: that was great. But here's what I'm gonna just say

1025
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: to anybody listening, aspiring wrestlers, people who want to get

1026
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: into the business. Anytime Nova does an interview, you should

1027
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: study it and you should listen to every word he says,

1028
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: because he's basically given you free advice. And that's anything

1029
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: I've ever taken from an interview you've done or a

1030
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: story you've told, is like you literally give the beginning, middle,

1031
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: and the end of what like how you should approach

1032
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: getting into the business or staying in the business. And

1033
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: I love it. Every time you do something, I'm there,

1034
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm right up front. I started in nineteen ninety two.

1035
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: I literally, over the course of my career was a trainee,

1036
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: a trainer. I built wrestling rings, I set up wrestling rings.

1037
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: I book shows, I booked territories, I wrote TV. I

1038
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: was a head of a developmental system. I was a

1039
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: talent that wrestled for every independent wrestling promotion in the

1040
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: United States. I wrestled in fifty countries. I wrestled for

1041
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: all the major promotion. I was basically in the ring

1042
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: with almost every top fifty superstar the last twenty years.

1043
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: All of that, and I did it and came out

1044
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: one piece. So usually when I talk, I mean i'll

1045
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: talk to people. I'll give as much advice as I

1046
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: can and if they don't listen, I'm cool man. I

1047
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: wake up tomorrow and can go to work like I don't.

1048
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: I just tell you what I think I would do,

1049
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: and it's usually right. And I hired a lot of

1050
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: good guys like I hired Kobi Kingston, Drew McIntyre, Santino Morella.

1051
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: I hired a whole host of guys that and I also,

1052
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: I still to this day, will talk to a mentor

1053
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: a lot of younger guys in the business, some in WBF,

1054
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: some and Ring of Honor, some of out Impact, and

1055
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: then they'll shoot the shop one day though cont hey, no,

1056
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: but can I run something by it? Because they know

1057
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna be stayed between us, and I'm giving them.

1058
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: When you leave the wrestling bubble, as crazy as it sounds,

1059
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: of Francmo, one hundred percent know what I mean. When

1060
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: you leave the wrastling bubble, your mind becomes clearer, You

1061
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: look at it differently. You're not as so like mine

1062
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: worked by it. Where you're you're smarter about the business.

1063
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: You're just smart about how things work, how things would click.

1064
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: You know, friends in AW I tell them all the time,

1065
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: if this was ten years ago, I'd be sitting there

1066
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: right next to them as an agent on the show,

1067
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: taking part of something that their building because it's awesome.

1068
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: Like Frankie Daniels, De Bucks, all those guys code either

1069
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: killing it and I love it. I'm proud of them.

1070
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: But uh h, you step away from this and just

1071
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: take a breath for a second. You know, if you're

1072
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: a young wrestler out there, don't You're gonna get hired,

1073
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,959
Speaker 1: You're gonna get fired, you're gonna get pushed, you're gonna

1074
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: sit in catering, You're gonna not do anything. You're not

1075
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: gonna have your This is a work sport run by

1076
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: the ultimate marks, and all we can do is control

1077
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: our look, our attitude, our image, our how we show

1078
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: up to the shows, how our our attitude is to

1079
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: our opponents. That's it. Nothing else you can control, none

1080
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: of it. Get in, don't get hurt, make some money,

1081
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: have fun, get out yet and there is life. There

1082
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: is life after wrestling. Correct. I love my life and

1083
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: I love I love traveling the world. We've Francine, we've

1084
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: seen stuff that will never forget, and we've done things

1085
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: always remember. But now a point in my life, what

1086
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: a ten year old daughter a great job. I do

1087
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: about one thousand hours of community service to work a year.

1088
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all over the place in Louisville, and

1089
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade any of them for anything. I've had

1090
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: a great time in our careers. But yes, every journey

1091
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: we take is prepared for the next time. I have

1092
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: a hundred percent agree. I am so glad I finally

1093
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: got you on this show because I asked you a

1094
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: while ago and we just couldn't find the right time.

1095
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: Probably no, you didn't you said anything for you, queen,

1096
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: but then I didn't. You know. Then we kind of

1097
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: did our own thing. But I'm glad you did. I

1098
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: did you show ten years ago. That's one when we

1099
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: did a show for your sister. That Yeah, that's when

1100
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: I was Yeah, my sister and my dad had kissed.

1101
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: It's twelve years, I believe in Yeah, that was one

1102
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: of the last one. That was the last time I

1103
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: ever stepped in the arena. And when I did it,

1104
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: I said I would never Yep, I said I will

1105
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: never wrestle on the ECW arena ever again. I never did. Yeah. Well,

1106
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: I there might be something that I can talk to

1107
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: you off the air later, But there might be something

1108
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: that you might be interested in for next year that

1109
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep you in mind, figure it out

1110
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: for you. I'll do anything, Yeah, I know. I well,

1111
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. This was fun. I hope

1112
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: to see you somewhere. I don't know, you know what.

1113
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 1: We'll figure We'll figure it out. But tell your brother

1114
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: and everybody. I said, yeah, tell everybody, I said, hi,

1115
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: and just keep tell me who else you want to

1116
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: get on this. You want Donnie or some many the

1117
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: other ones or whatever. We'll get you a bunch of guests,

1118
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: whoever you want. We'll get your ratings up. Don't worry. Thanks,

1119
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, all right, take care and we're back

1120
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: in the real world here. And how great was that?

1121
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: That was hilarious. That was so insightful. And you know

1122
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: what's great about it, He hasn't done anything in such

1123
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: a long time, so I feel like it's it's an

1124
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: exclusive right, Yeah, very well. So that he was on

1125
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: with us on the two man power trip and I

1126
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: can't remember why I couldn't make the interview. So he

1127
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: did it in the car right, talk to John the

1128
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: whole way, checking into a hotel, getting food, the whole thing,

1129
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: and I missed it. So when I met him at

1130
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: the show I had mentioned at the end there with

1131
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: Road Warrior Animal, I got to finally sit down and

1132
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: chit chat with him, and like, oh my god, I

1133
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: just literally, like I said, I can listen to everything

1134
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: he does. And you know what, you know what, I

1135
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: miss a lot about him on Facebook. It used to

1136
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: be him and his brother Donny b who he touched,

1137
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit, you know, one of them. Nova

1138
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: likes the Cowboys, and I think Donny Be's a giant Giants,

1139
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and they have like the roach bowl. They

1140
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: call each other roachy and they would have the roach

1141
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: bowl and like every week, like if Nova's if Dallas lost,

1142
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: Nova would go into hiding and like he wouldn't pick

1143
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: up the phone, and Donnie would be like, pick up

1144
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: the phone, you broach, you know, and it would just

1145
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: they would roast each other. And if the Giants lost,

1146
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, Nova would make fun of Donnie Bee. That's

1147
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: what I miss, the camaraderie of the of the brothers.

1148
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: They're hysterical. But yeah, Nova's a great guy and a

1149
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: great talent and a good friend of mine. So that

1150
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: was a fun interview, So it was well worth the waist.

1151
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: It's good things come to those who wait, and that

1152
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: that was a really really, uh really fun interview, So

1153
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: thank you. I neglected to mention the time that my

1154
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: uncle and my cousins got his autograph in the Columbia

1155
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: airport and he knocked over his bag of chips that

1156
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: he was eating to sign their autograph. That's like my

1157
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: That that made me think of the story of one

1158
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: time my mom was somewhere and she had asked the

1159
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: gentleman who was holding a couple of coffee, could you

1160
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: tell me what time it is? And he goes sure,

1161
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: spilled his coffee to look at his watch. I was like, okay,

1162
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: the same difference. That's funny. Yeah, but what Simon Dean

1163
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: doing eating a bag of chips? He's supposed to be

1164
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: the fitness guru. Yeah you're not. That was Nova eating

1165
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: the chips, not Simon Dean. It was Nova. Oh gosh,

1166
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: come on, not even a little bit for Simon Dean,

1167
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: not even a little bit, even a little bit. But

1168
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, you know what, you know what I want

1169
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: to segue into, Oh, yes see, my whole basement's redone.

1170
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: I didn't grab mine, it's over by the door. I

1171
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: have always prepared, and I remember, look without me, kid,

1172
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: you'd be nothing. I know your mask has saved my life.

1173
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad I have not caught COVID nineteen because I'm

1174
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: wearing my tip your mask and it comes in all

1175
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: these beautiful color. Well I only have two down here

1176
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: because I've been wearing the other ones. But look at

1177
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: these fun colors. That's I mean, they're fun. You know.

1178
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: The the kids when they're going back to school will

1179
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: have their tip jar masks as well. I have my

1180
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: my camouflage tip jar masks where a portion of your

1181
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: sale will go to the displaced bar and restaurant workers,

1182
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: the service workers, if you will. There's my fancy tip

1183
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: jar masks dot com that I wrote down on a

1184
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: piece of paper. Absolutely. They come in this beautiful sealed

1185
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: sanitary plastic and I'll tell you what. I had to

1186
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: put on a paper one, and I felt like I

1187
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: felt like I was sucking in like paper. And I

1188
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: had my glasses on that day and I was fogging

1189
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: up my glasses as I was I was like, forget

1190
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: the stupid thing. Yeah, and the paper one. The ear

1191
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: things are the elastic and they cut my ear. And

1192
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: this one is material and it just it's very comfortable.

1193
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: They're stretchy, they fit like a glove. It's like wearing

1194
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: a pair of underwear on your face telling you if

1195
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: you guys need a mask. It's such a good cause

1196
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: to you know, to help out the workers who have

1197
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: not been able to work. So tipjar masks dot com

1198
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: is the place to go. Absolutely and you know, anybody

1199
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: that you help out who helps out us is it's

1200
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: even better. So in the coming weeks, sent you and

1201
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: and they didn't give us a promo code. They didn't

1202
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: give us anything special. They just want to encourage people

1203
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: to go to that site because it is helping out

1204
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: these displaced workers. But if if there may be something

1205
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: with a promo code coming soon that you got to

1206
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: help us out with and use the damn promo code.

1207
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: I just just said, you out for a few weeks

1208
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: down the road. Until then, we do. We have another

1209
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: coming soon. It'll be in a couple of weeks, but

1210
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: we'll have a nice, yeah, nice, nice, big old reveal.

1211
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: And like I said, promo codes where people have to

1212
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: help and do their part, I like it. I like

1213
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: it a lot. Okay, So before we head to the

1214
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: wrap up, let's do some Disney. So Disney I need

1215
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: to pull it up because this was a lot of information.

1216
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: Did you hear about the layoffs? No you did not.

1217
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: I did, well. Okay, So Disney fired or laid off

1218
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand employees. Wow, holy crap. Yeah, you know,

1219
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: California is still closed. They have not reopened. And now

1220
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: Bob Iger he with the California Recovery Task Force days

1221
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: after the huge Disney layoffs. So it's it's scary because

1222
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: now with all the people laid off, like it's up

1223
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: in the air when Disneyland is going to reopen. They're saying,

1224
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: treat theme parks the way you treat other sectors. Okay,

1225
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: how do you take that? They're telling California officials to

1226
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: let Disneyland reopen and to treat that the way you

1227
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: treat other sectors. I guess other parts of the Yeah,

1228
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: the state that are opening. Yes, if you're opening up,

1229
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: treat Disneyland the same way and open up Disneyland. Now,

1230
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't heard anything coming out of Disney

1231
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: World with any people catching you know, the crowds have

1232
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: been up. If you're watching the videos, you know it's

1233
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: Halloween season down there and like I said before, decorations

1234
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: are everywhere. It's it's starting to get more crowded. And

1235
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: the social distancing. They're still trying to do it while

1236
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: you're getting on rides and stuff. But now I notice,

1237
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: like in watching these videos with like the parades, they

1238
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: don't have the full parades, but they have little you know,

1239
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: little floats coming down and the cavalcake cars and stuff.

1240
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: People are next to each other. So the social distancing,

1241
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of a problem. But everybody's still wearing

1242
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: a mask. So some people say mask aren't effective, some

1243
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: people say they are. I say, just wear it just

1244
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: in case. That's my take on it, you know. But yeah, Disneyland,

1245
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: there's nothing in sight that says they are going to

1246
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: open anytime soon. And all of those people got laid off.

1247
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: So Bob you he's asking you to take his place

1248
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: of the test about that. Yeah, So it's it's sad

1249
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand people, especially during this time, you know,

1250
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: they did not have a magical day, no place, So

1251
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: who get Like do you watch South Park? I have,

1252
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: and I you know, I haven't watched it in years,

1253
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: but I recorded the Pandemic special. I haven't watched it yet.

1254
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: So you know that Mickey has become like a character

1255
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: on South Park, right, No, that's how long that happened. Okay,

1256
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, So I want to say,

1257
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: like six or seven years ago. Mickey made a one

1258
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: off appearance in an episode where they were kind of

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Speaker 1: riffing on the Jonas brothers. Yeah, how Mickey he comes

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Speaker 1: in in like a little business suit, like a business attire,

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Speaker 1: Like he's got like a short sleeve white shirt with

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Speaker 1: a tie and like khaki shorts. But he always comes

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Speaker 1: in like he walks like Mickey, but he's curses, and

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Speaker 1: he's aggressive and he's mean. Crette. Yeah, and he's it's

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Speaker 1: that he's the head of Disney, right, that Mickey mass Disney.

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Speaker 1: So in the last two years he's become like more

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Speaker 1: of a regular character, and uh, he's got a big

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Speaker 1: spot in the Pandemic special. But I wonder if that

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Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse is the one who laid off all these

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Speaker 1: these people, because he can be a little crude and

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Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand people not. You can't just issue somebody

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Speaker 1: that like twenty eight thousand people that lave and they

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Speaker 1: have a magical day at the end, right, I know,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy. I just feel bad for all these people

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Speaker 1: who who lost their jobs. It's just it's horrible. It's

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Speaker 1: really bad. So and it was an all theme park.

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Speaker 1: The article did not say it just says twenty eight

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Speaker 1: thousand layoffs for Disneyland or I'm sorry for Disney in general.

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Speaker 1: So I'm assuming a lot of those firings are in

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Speaker 1: the park, but it could be it could be people

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Speaker 1: in the office. I don't know. This is a This

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Speaker 1: is South Park's Mickey Mouse. If you could see, Oh

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Speaker 1: he's mad, he's got like a mouse. I see there

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Speaker 1: you go. Ah, he's so cute though. Yeah, he's got

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Speaker 1: the little business suito. Yeah. This week on Dance with

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Speaker 1: the Stars, it was Disney Night, which is my favorite

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Speaker 1: night of Dancing with the Stars ever. And Carol Baskin

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01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: she is she one the Lion King, and of course

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Speaker 1: she would and she got voted off finally, So there's

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Speaker 1: my other tidbit about Disney. But Disney Knight is so magical.

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Speaker 1: The women dressed like princesses and the characters and god,

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Speaker 1: it's such a gorgeous evening and I love it so much.

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Speaker 1: I'll take your word for it. I can't believe you

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Speaker 1: don't watch dancing. I was thinking about something we could

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01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: do for Patreon, so and was like watching something out

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Speaker 1: of the norm for you know you or for me,

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01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: and that if we were to make a list, that

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01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: would probably be the top thing. The dumb mask singer.

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Speaker 1: Let's watch one of those. I've never seen it, but

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01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: people rave about it and say how great it is. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you want to believe conspiracy theories, the masked singers

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: conditioning people to wear the masks. Wasn't there a show

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01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: connected with the mask singer called I Can See Your

1304
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: Voice or something which makes no sense to me? Did

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Speaker 1: you right over my head? I have no idea I

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01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: can see your voice? And I was like, how can

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01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: you see somebody's voice? But I think you have to

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Speaker 1: be Yeah, we'll do that one week in a few weeks.

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Speaker 1: I'll pick the show for you, and you picked the

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Speaker 1: show for me, and we'll just watch a segment each together.

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Speaker 1: We no, no, we'll watch the show and we'll come

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: back the next like, we'll watch so during the week

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Speaker 1: the preview, right, Oh, I know what you're saying. You

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Speaker 1: tell me you watch this, I tell you you watch that,

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01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: and then we do an episode where we talk about

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Speaker 1: what we watched. I mean, I'll go easy on you.

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01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: I still want to watch some sort of horror movie

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01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: and get your review of it and see how we

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01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: sink up. But I think that could be good. You

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01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: picked some off the wall show I wouldn't watch in

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01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: a billion years, and I'll pick a show that you

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01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't watch in a trillion years. Okay, well that sounds good.

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Speaker 1: My just got a show for me called Nikki Fresh

1324
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: that I can't wait to watch. It is with Nicole Richie.

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01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: Remember her in Paris and had that. Yeah, it looks adorable.

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Speaker 1: So that's my next conquest. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna

1327
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: binge watch Nikki Fresh. I think she's a rapper, she's

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01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: supposed to. It's like a spoof, like it's a joke. Yeah,

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01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: it's a joke. Yeah, it's a little sitcom. So it

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Speaker 1: looks cute to me. She's back way to be Nicole Richie. What.

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01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: Oh it's on Quibbi. Oh on Quibbi whatever quibbi is.

1332
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: But Quiby is another one of these like offshoot TV. Baby,

1333
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's on the moon. My husband

1334
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 1: gets it, We got it, Yes, he does get baby.

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01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: I have I told you how much I love him lately,

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01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: because I don't think I've said it. He loves you,

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01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: we all do. So yeah, anything, I met it lately,

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01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: but I thought I should maybe maybe ily, but he

1339
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: loves you. He's laughing. Yeah, so yeah, And I know

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Speaker 1: this will air this, this will air after yeah, but tomorrow,

1341
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: which is Saturday. There is a challenge that I'm facing

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01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: and I'm scared to death of it, but I'm gonna

1343
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: do it. I've never drank tequila straight ooh boy, never

1344
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: I have. Okay, so on only fans every week I

1345
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: do my live streaming, and I always, you know, you

1346
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 1: accept tips on OnlyFans, and because I don't get naked

1347
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: or anything, it's pretty hard to get tips on there sometimes.

1348
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: But I always give away a prize too for I

1349
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: pick like I used to do on YouTube. I will

1350
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: pick a name out live and somebody will win something.

1351
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: And so one of my members said, oh, you should

1352
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: drink tequila, and I said, I never drank tequila, and

1353
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, well, we'll tip you. And if you

1354
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: make your tip, you said it amount. If you make it,

1355
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: you have to do shots live during the live stream.

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01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: So tomorrow I will be hopefully drinking tequila because I

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: hope that I make my tip amount. So now I'll

1358
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: tell you what my passed with tequila. So I've had

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: it obviously in drinks, you know, with something. I had

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01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: it in a Long Island iced tea. Yeah, love Long

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01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: Island I sees, haven't had them in years. I say,

1362
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,560
Speaker 1: having a Long Island I see is like eating a cheeseburger.

1363
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: Just it's like Schmorgas sport of a bunch of different things,

1364
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: like David Hasselhof feeding the cheese in the Let's say so,

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: my biggest fight with tequila was my twenty third or

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01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: twenty fourth birthday, and John, if he was here, would

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01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: tell you all about it. As I had a rough

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01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: day and the tequila shots came out maybe like ten

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: minutes after we got to the bar, and we got

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01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: there around eight something. We were gone by about nine

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01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: to fifty because I was puking my guts out. How

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01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,879
Speaker 1: many did you drink? Oh? I think like six seven

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01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: I was, And I still to this day I can

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01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: remember how just out of it I was that they

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: threw may. We went back to Liz's house. They threw

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01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: me on the bed. I face planted down. I was

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01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: puking the whole ride home. I was puking in the

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01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: stall of the bar. There was just people like peeing

1379
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: all around. It was horrible. So then when they frightened,

1380
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: so they throw me on the bed right and they

1381
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: start doing like wrestling moves to me. They're put me

1382
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: in the crippler cross face and put me in the

1383
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: ankle lock, and I was I was dead to the world.

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01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: I have not had tequila straight since that was like

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01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, maybe two thousand and four. We

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01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: bought the Rocks new tequila. No, okay, it sposed to

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,919
Speaker 1: be smooth, but I don't know the difference between anything.

1388
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: So I just told myself, I'm gonna eat a hearty meal,

1389
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: have my belly full of food, and then I'll have

1390
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: water water, and I'll have a ginger Ale next to

1391
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: me too, because I when I get upset stomach, ginger

1392
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: Al does the track. But please text me when you're

1393
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: done so I can get a status update. I'll send

1394
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: you the film. It's gonna film. That's great, it should

1395
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: be fun. Well, good luck. Thanks, I appreciate it. We'll

1396
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: talk about it next week. That's not only fans. All right,

1397
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: well we'll head to the wrap up here. Uh you

1398
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: know again this this is not Patreon. So we'll give

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01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: you the rest of the preview for this week of

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01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: what we have coming for you in this eyes up

1401
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: here universe. Uh. First, we are going to look at

1402
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 1: some weird news and some kind of funny stories that

1403
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: I found. All have the same kind of tone to them,

1404
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,919
Speaker 1: but just they're gonna You're gonna ask yourself some questions

1405
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: after this and be like, why that. That's all you're

1406
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: gonna say is why we're gonna do that. Then on Wednesday,

1407
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a little rando and I'm just gonna

1408
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: throw some questions at you that I've written down, and uh,

1409
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 1: it's be about everything I have literally, like I picked

1410
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: stuff literally, like I saw something like I'll write that.

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01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: That's a good question, just to see what the hell

1412
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: you want. You're thinking, Did you invent the word rando?

1413
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: Because I don't think I've ever heard it before you

1414
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: said it. I think you might have invented Let's say

1415
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: I stole it from somewhere, but for arguments sake, guy,

1416
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: I did invent it, Okay. And then we're going to

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01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: close out the week with a watch along kind of

1418
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: kind of having to do with stuff we've talked about

1419
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks. So we talked to

1420
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: Gary Wolf a few weeks ago. Okay, we talked about

1421
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: the One night Stand last week where you came in

1422
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: and took care of business and beat up Beulah. But

1423
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: we also mentioned the Shane shows, the Hardcore Homecoming series.

1424
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: So we're gonna look at franchise with Francine versus Gary Wolf.

1425
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: November Rain. I have not seen this in years, so

1426
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm excited. That's great. So there you go. So that's

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01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna be the watch along. It's it's like a minute

1428
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: match to dog collar match. I have some questions just

1429
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: from my viewing of it. It was a part of

1430
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: the series of shows that you guys did that year,

1431
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: so so we were on tour when this this was

1432
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: I think it wasn't this might have even been the

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01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: last one. Oh yeah, November fifth, two thousand and five.

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01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: Where were Oh this one was in Philly? This one

1435
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: it was in Philly. Okay, sounds good to me. I

1436
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I don't even remember it, so this

1437
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: will jore my memory. Awesome, all right, Well, we'll talk

1438
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: all about that this week on Patreon. So for anybody

1439
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: who's listening to the audio on Creative Control, that's what

1440
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: you're missing. Unless you join our Patreon page, you get

1441
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: the video of this show, plus you get all the

1442
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: extras that we post during the week, and then literally

1443
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: I still, I'm sorry I sold this short. I said

1444
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: we had like two hundred plus shows on our Patreon

1445
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: in video and audio. We have three hundred plus on

1446
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: How could you miss shows? So I'm sorry I was

1447
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: looking at the old number. That's all right, We're the

1448
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: Marrier exactly. If you have nothing to do during this quarantine,

1449
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: join our Patreon and you will have hours and hours

1450
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: of entertainment because I mean, come on, I'm so entertaining,

1451
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 1: and Chad has his moments. I gotta do a glimmer,

1452
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: a glimmer, a little little speckle. So that's patrion dot com,

1453
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: Slash Francine Podcast. If you want to follow anything going

1454
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: on in my world, it's at Chad E and B

1455
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter and on Instagram. If you want to check

1456
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: out the signings I was talking about. My websites Ibexclusives

1457
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: dot com. It's mostly baseball autographs signings I have coming

1458
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: up there. It's pretty cool and it's all linked to

1459
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: my baseball podcast I'm in Conversations. It's kind of a

1460
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: mix of the two things. But check it out, appreciate it,

1461
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: and I'll hand it to you Quin. You can take

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01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 1: us out of here. Across the board. On social media,

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