WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: Getting Some Help with Kennedy 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:07.160 Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.360 Our first child, our daughter, was three, when my middle 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:15.760 son was born. I admit we were largely cruising along. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.800 She was just an insanely good baby, slept through the 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.160 night at seven weeks old, but really came home from 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:28.159 the hospital doing these amazing four hour sleep stretches that 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.080 had us believing that we were like baby experts and 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.239 not realizing that we had just gotten lucky. Then our 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.720 eldest son was born. He came home from the hospital 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:43.520 sleeping forty five minute stretches. He was crankier, he cried more, 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:48.560 all of it. I remember being such a walking zombie. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.080 It was the first time in my life that I 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.319 understood how it was possible for a parent to leave 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.200 a child in a car. I never did, thank god, 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.880 but I truly remember this one time getting my daughter 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.640 out of her car seat and being like, oh, yeah, 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.960 there's a second one, and he's like sleeping quietly. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:07.440 I have to remember to take him. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.520 I was so out of it, and then my mom 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.720 just started showing up at my house. She had come 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.440 over a lot after I had my daughter too, But 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.840 something unspoken happened after I had my son, she realized 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.080 I needed her and she started coming every single morning. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.920 We made her a key and she'd let herself in. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.040 She'd get my daughter ready. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.319 For school or take my son for a walk so 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.039 I could sleep. At the same time, my in laws 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:37.840 were super involved as well. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.199 My mother in law would have. 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.520 A standing weekly date to take my daughter to a 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.440 Hebrew music class. She'd take her to the park. They 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.559 would do stuff together. Also, my brother was single and 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.840 my husband's sister was single, and they would babysit all 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:54.240 the time. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.600 All of this to say that I had. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.960 A large amount of family help with my kids, and 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:05.160 I kind of don't understand any other way. When my 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.600 brother had his kids, I babysat for them. If we 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.040 hadn't moved from New York to Florida, that would probably 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.480 be a regular thing. My mom now helps my brother 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.120 every day and she wouldn't trade it for anything. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.400 My kids know that I. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.359 Consider it a top priority for them to get married 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.240 and have kids, and I'm committed to helping with those 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.040 kids the same way that my mother and my in 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.200 laws did for me. I say all of this because 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.239 the fabulous Jane Ridley, who I got to know when 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.840 she was at The New York Post has a piece 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.359 up at Business Insider about how millennials want their parents 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.919 to help with their kids, but the parents don't want to, 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.919 and this piece is making a splash online. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.320 People are arguing, you know, who's right and who's wrong. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:56.200 Here, Jane shares the story of one grandmother, Marjorie Hirschberg, 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:00.240 who told her daughter and then told the media that 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.360 she didn't want to help anymore. In the piece, Jane 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:08.400 quotes Hirshburg as being concerned because the grandchildren quote thought 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.200 she had two separate homes mine and her parents, said Hirschburg, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.840 who had set up a room for two of the 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.840 grandchildren in her house. Her verdict to stop watching the kids, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.120 she said, was prompted by one of the grandchildren saying, 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.680 let's go to mommy's house, as opposed to let's go. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:26.359 To my house. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:31.240 It's just insane. My kids have a room at their grandparents' house. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.200 It has a bed for each of them, toys, books, 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.760 it's a place of safety and comfort. It's wild to 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.560 me that a grandparent somehow wouldn't want that. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:42.440 Look. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.880 As a generation exer, I'm very quick to think millennials 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:51.520 or gen z are spoiled and wrong about almost everything. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.640 But I get the argument that grandparents should be involved 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.880 in the lives of their grandchildren. No one is saying 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:03.160 stop living. I assure anyone listening that my in laws 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.560 have a much more. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:05.840 Active social life than you do. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.280 They go out with their friends all the time, they 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.440 travel a lot. My father in law still works full time. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:12.720 But they love. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.080 Being with their grandkids, and their grandkids love being with them. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:17.800 We've created the. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.240 Kind of world where I don't have to say to 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.120 my kids, now, go give grandma a hug, because they 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.159 run straight into their arms. I read a lot of 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.479 stories like this, and I wish people would ask themselves, 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.040 what's the point. What's the point of my life if 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.440 not to spend it with my family. Again, that doesn't 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.360 mean you can't do other things, But if your grandchild 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:45.440 being extremely comfortable in your home makes you uncomfortable, that's 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.440 just bizarre. Family is everything, and if you're lucky enough 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.599 to have a good one, it's just crazy to me 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.159 that you wouldn't do everything possible to maintain that closeness. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.919 Coming up next and interview with Kennedy. Join us after 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:04.880 the break, Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:09.480 Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is the amazing Kennedy, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.120 one of the hosts of Fox News Saturday Night and 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:13.840 the podcast Kennedy. 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:14.360 Saves the World. 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.960 Thanks so much for being on Kennedy, Carol. I will 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.240 go anywhere and talk anytime with you. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.359 Well, so, first of all, I was watching Fox News 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.360 Saturday Night and I don't understand how you play fake 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.159 News or Florida without me. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:28.560 That game is my life. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.040 If you were in New York, you could have been 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.080 one of our panelists. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.160 Absolutely you would have, and you might have been a 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.039 ringer like you might have done so well that it 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.200 would have shamed everyone else. I was surprised how well 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:41.360 Charlie Gasperino did. 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:42.839 He was really ran the table. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.080 Yeah. I think I only got one of them wrong. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.159 So yeah, I think I would have won. And that's 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:48.360 why you didn't want to have me on. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.440 I get it. You know, maybe you and Charlie could 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:51.760 have a head to head next time. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.480 So I would say that you're probably the most famous 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:57.679 libertarian around. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.000 Is that accurate? 0:05:59.320 --> 0:05:59.480 Say? 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:00.000 In the world? 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:00.479 No? 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:01.000 World? 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:01.360 Yeah? 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:05.560 Wait, there are those like lists of libertarians we love 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.680 comes out. I'm I'm like what numbered seven hundred and 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.360 eighty No, I never. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.240 Paul. Okay, yeah, okay, second to Ron Paul. Fine, the 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:21.720 Pauls don't count really, I mean, okay, non politician libertarians. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.360 There are a lot of very famous libertarians out there, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.720 are there a lot of libertarian because you know that 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.200 libertarians have to like if you are if you claim 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.480 to be a libertarian, there are one hundred libertarians pop 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:38.599 up Troy, Troy, you're non or you say this one 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:42.039 thing one time, so you're estranged warmonger. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.000 You are right, I get that. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.920 So what do you think people misunderstand about being a libertarian? 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.000 Well, it now means so many different things. So I've 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.880 got a good friend who no longer calls herself a libertarian. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.080 She calls herself a classical liberal because she feels like 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:02.640 the term has been bastard. And you know, people who 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:07.280 claim to be libertarians have been marginalized in this playpen 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:13.400 of absurdity. And you know, the people assume that libertarians 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:19.280 just want everything to be like Pioneer Courthouse Square and Portland, Oregon. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:20.920 Right, they just want you know. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:27.400 It's like drugs and sexual assaults, and you know, people 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:28.520 doing that. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.080 I can't get enough. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:34.640 And just like you know, feces everywhere sea and like 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:39.080 that is somehow the libertarian ideal, and for me, that 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:40.280 is not the ideal. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.800 It's actually a civil society where people have agreed upon 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.920 rules and there are also agreed upon punishment. So if 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.360 you violate the rules, you know what you're up against, 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.600 which you know it is an imbalance of punishment in 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.400 places like Portland, which you know, they've taken these great 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:05.280 cities Francisco, La, Seattle, Minneapolis, Portland and they've just flushed 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.600 him down the toilet. And you know, I was talking 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.040 to one economist who said that Portland committed suicide. And 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:16.800 many of these choices have been overt and leaders have gone, 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:22.280 you know what, Yeah, let's encourage people to sleep literally anywhere. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:27.440 Let's stop arresting people for just about anything, and let's 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.360 have this free for all, so you can no longer 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.199 have free association and what used to be one of 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:34.959 the most livable cities in the country. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.319 Right, So I noticed he don't say New York though 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:38.760 in that list, I. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.240 Was sticking out West. But New York. New York has 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:43.520 its own set of problems. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.680 New York is such a big place and it's not 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:52.080 impossible to govern, but it just has not been governed well. 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.440 And to Mayor Adam's credit, I think half the time 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.240 he really does try. I think that he really is 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.840 plagued by frustration. I think that he's you know, phenomenally 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.120 better than build the Blasio. Yeah, but he's where So No, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.840 Deblagio really did more to harm the city than any 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.760 mayor I have seen since I have lived here. I 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.600 haven't lived here as long as you have, but I 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.120 first moved here in the fall of nineteen ninety two 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.000 and have seen you know, various iterations and evolutions of 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.600 the city. And build a Blasio put the city in 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:30.560 such a downward spiral that it's impossible to recover from 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:31.840 in one mayor old term. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.120 I feel like a lot of people ask me, like, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.880 why didn't I leave New York sooner? And my answer 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.040 to that is always like things were so good for 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.319 so long that we almost expected to coast with. 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.319 Deblasio, and we did for a little while. 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.400 His first term was a lot of coasting on previous 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:52.240 you know, accomplishments of you know, the Bloomberg and the 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.320 Giuliani eras. But eventually we ran out of steam and 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.760 his actual governance started to take cold and I had 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.440 to go, Oh, but you know, I root for New 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.160 York to come back. I think Mayor Adams is infinitely 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:07.160 better than Deblasio. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.080 I think he's he can't. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.719 Really do what he wants to do in a lot 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.080 of ways or say what he wants to say, which 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:13.760 is a problem. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.640 But you know, better than the last guy, for sure. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:17.040 Yeah. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.960 And there's a natural power struggle between Albany and New 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.440 York City because the governor of New York wants to 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.280 be the boss of New York City. But New York 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.600 State wouldn't be New York State without new York City, right, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:30.760 It's tax base. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.480 And so there you've. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.120 Got these two powerful figures who are always at odds 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.680 with each other. But I think Kathy Hochel is one 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.240 of the most incompetent governors in the country. I think 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.360 she's absolutely awful on just about everything. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:46.360 Oh, I agree. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.000 I'm really bombed that she won outright. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:54.560 Yeah, it's sad that New Yorkers don't demand more from 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.640 their leaders and with their votes. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.800 Yeah, I absolutely agree. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.520 So a question that I ask all of my guests 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.440 is what do you think is our largest cultural or 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.360 societal problem in America, and do you think it's solvable. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.720 The biggest problem is it's kind of broad, but it 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:16.439 is the encroachment of government into all aspects of our lives. 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.360 Because when government becomes so big and so powerful, when 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.040 they have so much money, when we are beholden to 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:27.560 them with our tax dollars, they do have much more 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:32.280 say over what we do, how we can start businesses, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:38.000 regulating businesses, how our kids can be educated, withholding choices 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.839 from parents on how their kids can be educated. And 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:46.880 then what that turns into is when you have kids 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:52.400 who are educated by propagandists who are beholden to the status. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:58.080 The status need an entire generation of people to be 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:02.920 dependent on government to make governments flourish, and so there 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:08.280 it fosters this climate of victimhood where you know, kids 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:12.560 are told that they are either victims or they are oppressors, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.960 but either way they are at odds with each other. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:20.000 And the only thing that can break that cultural stalemate 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:26.480 is government intervention. And you know, it is created this 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.160 vicious cycle that it's going to be very very difficult 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:31.040 to break free from. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.240 I do have hope. 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.959 I you know, I have two teenage girls I talk 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.120 to them, I talk to their friends. We talk about politics, 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.480 and I'm finding, especially with some of the teenage boys 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.680 that I talk to, that they are much more skeptical 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.560 of government. It's really funny because the only way to 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:51.120 rebel nowadays it's it's not to be it's not to 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.520 be trans you know, it's not to be non binary. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.880 It's to be a Republican and so and a lot 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.680 of teenage boys like all they want to do is 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.839 pissed people off, and so they found the easiest way 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.760 to do that is to be Republican. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:06.280 Yeah. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.120 I can't imagine any child of Kennedy's is going to 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:09.800 be status. 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.160 So you know, no, I told them. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.160 I told my girls, Like then, it's really funny that 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:14.079 you say that because. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.920 You are from Russia. My mom is from Romania. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.480 And the only rule that I have, like, I don't 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.800 care if you're a Democrat. I don't care if you're 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.640 a democratic socially not be a communist in my house. Like, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.160 if you can back up whatever you say and whatever 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:33.280 you believe with facts, with data, with statistics, that's fine. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.520 We can have a discussion. We can have a rational discussion. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.480 I'll be skeptical of you. You can be skeptical of me. 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.839 We'll find areas of agreement. You may not be a 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.240 communist if you are. If you're a communistic, you may 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.160 not live in my house. You may not take my 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.920 stuff I am. You are not entitled to anything I have. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:51.600 I love it. Yeah. 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.440 So you got your start very famously as a VJ 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.120 and MTV, and you know, I feel like so many 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.240 people just remember you being such a unique voice on there. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.800 Did you get a lot of like pushback from people? 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.880 Were you, you know, a libertarian then? You know, was 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.359 everybody around you a communist? 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.160 I was a libertarian. There weren't a lot of communists. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.760 There were a lot of moderate Clinton Democrats, and they 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.920 were really excited and they had a lot of momentum 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.200 going into the nineties because I was hired at MTV 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.720 in September of nineteen ninety two. The election obviously was 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.400 in November, and the Clinton era began when my time 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:30.640 at MTV began. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.080 So you had a lot of people who were, you know. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.800 Very pleased with being in the majority after twelve years 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:43.000 of Reagan Bush and it was it was interesting because 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.520 it was a little bit more politically charitable. I did 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.560 get pushed back, but being you know, because I considered 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.680 myself to be a Republican at the time, because I 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.160 didn't have words for what it meant to be a libertarian. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.640 I didn't know what it meant to be a libertarian 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.480 at that time. But there was more charity because I 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:05.800 was seen as kind of this nutty unicorn and then 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.960 there was a character based on me on Murphy Brown 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.920 McGovern and I was always somebody I know that super yeah, 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:15.720 I was always super embarrassed by that. But now I 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.440 look back and I'm like, you know, I wish I 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.520 had embraced that more. I wish I had pushed back 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.320 a little bit more. But I did talk about politics. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:29.760 I did go on CNBC because Fox News wasn't around 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.320 yet when I was there, and I would go on 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.000 shows and I would argue with people and it was. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:37.000 A fun time. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:41.320 But there was definitely more curiosity for the other side. 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.680 And that doesn't happen now, Like if there were any 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.400 kind of ATV reunion, they would never have me back 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:52.920 because I represent you know, conservative media, and I'm like, 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:57.320 guess what. The people that I was partying with and 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.960 talking to and playing videos for my needs a lot 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.160 of them are libertarians now. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:03.960 A lot of them are conservatives now. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.240 And they've got families, and they've got businesses, and they 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.560 live through the pandemic and they are some of the 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.760 most skeptical people on the planet. And that's who I 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.800 get to talk to every single day. I didn't change. 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:15.960 I didn't have to change. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:16.880 Yes, you know I can. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.800 I can speak the truth and I can and even 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.120 if you don't believe what I believe, I can at 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.640 least back it up with some evidence that's right. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.640 And I mean, I think you're one of the better 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.040 known people, you know from all of MTV. Really, I 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.280 don't know that they wouldn't have you on would be 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.240 crazy because I think that, you know, you'd be definitely 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.280 you know, you have most famous libertarian plus top three 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.320 MTV VJs. I think of all time that people would 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.200 you know, be able to name. We're going to take 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.360 a quick break and be right back on the Carol 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:52.200 marco It Show. Is it weird living a public life 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:53.200 being recognized. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:59.080 It's funny because I have been on TV for a 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.480 majority of my life. So I'm fifty one now, I've 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.480 been on TV since I was twenty and then when 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.200 I was on MTV. It was such a different time 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.399 because my old boss Andy has explained this so well. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.959 It was like opening up your laptop and there was 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.400 no Facebook, there. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.600 Was no Safari. It just went right right to MTV. 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.000 That's all there was. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.600 And you know, we had a cultural monopoly and didn't 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.320 really appreciate it. And you know, every once in a 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.959 while the music labels would talk about starting a channel 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:33.200 and things like that would pop up, but it MTV 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.720 still had the monopoly on everything until they stopped playing 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.920 music and really went into reality TV, which everyone else 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.920 was doing at that time, and so the audience share 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:49.080 sort of dissipated pretty quickly. But at that time it 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.880 was just us. We didn't have social media, thank god, 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:53.960 because I don't know what I would have posted in 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.400 some of my more impulsive moments. But it was there 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.840 was such hyper focus, and I just learned how to 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.359 not look people in the eye and I always wore hats. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.480 And so now media is. 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.640 So diffuse, like there's so many media outlets and there's 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.720 so many people. Everyone has a podcast, like everyone's got 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.800 a show, so there are so many outlets that no 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.720 few people are that famous anymore. And you know, of course, 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:28.640 I didn't realize at the time the people who were 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:33.160 making news and music would turn out to be icons. 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.920 Like I didn't know, you know, obviously when cro Cobaine 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.840 was alive, that the conversations that we had would mean 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.640 so much to me later in life, and that that 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.439 would be the object of curiosity when I talk to 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:51.720 people about my time at MTV later, and it's it's 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.240 bittersweet because I look back and it was such an 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.280 incredible moment and we all had so much fun and 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.199 we're really appreciating and living in every moment. But I 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.879 look back and I know so many people who have 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.520 died since then, and you know, some of them, you know, 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:11.160 like Kurk Cobain, like Chris Cornell, Uh, they're really tragic, 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.560 Scott Weiland, right, you know. And there are people that 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.880 they're just no longer here, like their story, their personal 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.639 story ended, and so what gets created after that is myth. 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.040 But yeah, it's weird, But also like I've been through 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.400 so much. I've been through so many up and downs 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:37.040 personally and professionally that I was really able to when 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:43.080 I left MTV kind of find myself and exists outside 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.040 of a realm where I needed to be famous and 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:55.600 needed the outside not attention but AGUALI yeah, and and 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.480 the outside force of anything else. And I learned to 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.240 create an identity that was mine and have never really 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.560 left that. So it's like, if I weren't famous tomorrow, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:06.639 I would be fine with that, you know, if my 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.280 broadcast career goes on for another thirty years, like, I'm 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:11.040 good with that too. 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:12.800 Do you feel like you've made it? 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:15.360 I feel like. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.240 Every job I had since MTV I've felt like was 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.560 a bonus round. And I say that because I knew 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.800 so many people and they called it the curse of MTV, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.000 so many people who were VJs who really never heard 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:34.040 from again, right, And you know, because there wasn't a 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.720 natural media outlet for so many people to go who 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.760 had cycled through as VJs that you know, other than 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.040 music radio people didn't really do much. And so that 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.720 was that was a huge source of anxiety for me 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:51.440 the whole time I was there, and I was always 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.720 looming over me, like what am I going to do 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:59.440 after this? And it wasn't until I left and started 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.480 living my own life that I was like, oh, there's 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.680 so much you can do anything else. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.520 On top of that has been a giant bonus. 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.520 And it's funny because I have been at Fox twice 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:10.960