1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Our first child, our daughter, was three, when my middle 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: son was born. I admit we were largely cruising along. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: She was just an insanely good baby, slept through the 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: night at seven weeks old, but really came home from 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 1: the hospital doing these amazing four hour sleep stretches that 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: had us believing that we were like baby experts and 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: not realizing that we had just gotten lucky. Then our 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: eldest son was born. He came home from the hospital 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: sleeping forty five minute stretches. He was crankier, he cried more, 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: all of it. I remember being such a walking zombie. 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: It was the first time in my life that I 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: understood how it was possible for a parent to leave 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: a child in a car. I never did, thank god, 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: but I truly remember this one time getting my daughter 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: out of her car seat and being like, oh, yeah, 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: there's a second one, and he's like sleeping quietly. 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: I have to remember to take him. 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: I was so out of it, and then my mom 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: just started showing up at my house. She had come 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: over a lot after I had my daughter too, But 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: something unspoken happened after I had my son, she realized 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: I needed her and she started coming every single morning. 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: We made her a key and she'd let herself in. 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: She'd get my daughter ready. 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: For school or take my son for a walk so 27 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: I could sleep. At the same time, my in laws 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: were super involved as well. 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 2: My mother in law would have. 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: A standing weekly date to take my daughter to a 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: Hebrew music class. She'd take her to the park. They 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 1: would do stuff together. Also, my brother was single and 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: my husband's sister was single, and they would babysit all 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: the time. 35 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: All of this to say that I had. 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: A large amount of family help with my kids, and 37 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: I kind of don't understand any other way. When my 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: brother had his kids, I babysat for them. If we 39 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: hadn't moved from New York to Florida, that would probably 40 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: be a regular thing. My mom now helps my brother 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: every day and she wouldn't trade it for anything. 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: My kids know that I. 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: Consider it a top priority for them to get married 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: and have kids, and I'm committed to helping with those 45 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: kids the same way that my mother and my in 46 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: laws did for me. I say all of this because 47 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: the fabulous Jane Ridley, who I got to know when 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: she was at The New York Post has a piece 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: up at Business Insider about how millennials want their parents 50 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: to help with their kids, but the parents don't want to, 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: and this piece is making a splash online. 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: People are arguing, you know, who's right and who's wrong. 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Here, Jane shares the story of one grandmother, Marjorie Hirschberg, 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: who told her daughter and then told the media that 55 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: she didn't want to help anymore. In the piece, Jane 56 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: quotes Hirshburg as being concerned because the grandchildren quote thought 57 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: she had two separate homes mine and her parents, said Hirschburg, 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: who had set up a room for two of the 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: grandchildren in her house. Her verdict to stop watching the kids, 60 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: she said, was prompted by one of the grandchildren saying, 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: let's go to mommy's house, as opposed to let's go. 62 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: To my house. 63 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: It's just insane. My kids have a room at their grandparents' house. 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: It has a bed for each of them, toys, books, 65 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: it's a place of safety and comfort. It's wild to 66 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: me that a grandparent somehow wouldn't want that. 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: Look. 68 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: As a generation exer, I'm very quick to think millennials 69 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: or gen z are spoiled and wrong about almost everything. 70 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: But I get the argument that grandparents should be involved 71 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: in the lives of their grandchildren. No one is saying 72 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: stop living. I assure anyone listening that my in laws 73 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: have a much more. 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: Active social life than you do. 75 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: They go out with their friends all the time, they 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: travel a lot. My father in law still works full time. 77 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: But they love. 78 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Being with their grandkids, and their grandkids love being with them. 79 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: We've created the. 80 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: Kind of world where I don't have to say to 81 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: my kids, now, go give grandma a hug, because they 82 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: run straight into their arms. I read a lot of 83 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: stories like this, and I wish people would ask themselves, 84 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: what's the point. What's the point of my life if 85 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: not to spend it with my family. Again, that doesn't 86 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: mean you can't do other things, But if your grandchild 87 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: being extremely comfortable in your home makes you uncomfortable, that's 88 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: just bizarre. Family is everything, and if you're lucky enough 89 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: to have a good one, it's just crazy to me 90 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't do everything possible to maintain that closeness. 91 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: Coming up next and interview with Kennedy. Join us after 92 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: the break, Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz 93 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is the amazing Kennedy, 94 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: one of the hosts of Fox News Saturday Night and 95 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: the podcast Kennedy. 96 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: Saves the World. 97 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for being on Kennedy, Carol. I will 98 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: go anywhere and talk anytime with you. 99 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: Well, so, first of all, I was watching Fox News 100 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: Saturday Night and I don't understand how you play fake 101 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: News or Florida without me. 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: That game is my life. 103 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 4: If you were in New York, you could have been 104 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 4: one of our panelists. 105 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely you would have, and you might have been a 106 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 3: ringer like you might have done so well that it 107 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: would have shamed everyone else. I was surprised how well 108 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: Charlie Gasperino did. 109 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 4: He was really ran the table. 110 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I only got one of them wrong. 111 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I would have won. And that's 112 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: why you didn't want to have me on. 113 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 4: I get it. You know, maybe you and Charlie could 114 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 4: have a head to head next time. 115 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: So I would say that you're probably the most famous 116 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 1: libertarian around. 117 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: Is that accurate? 118 00:05:59,320 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: Say? 119 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: In the world? 120 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: No? 121 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: World? 122 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 4: Yeah? 123 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: Wait, there are those like lists of libertarians we love 124 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: comes out. I'm I'm like what numbered seven hundred and 125 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: eighty No, I never. 126 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: Paul. Okay, yeah, okay, second to Ron Paul. Fine, the 127 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: Pauls don't count really, I mean, okay, non politician libertarians. 128 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: There are a lot of very famous libertarians out there, 129 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 3: are there a lot of libertarian because you know that 130 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: libertarians have to like if you are if you claim 131 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: to be a libertarian, there are one hundred libertarians pop 132 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: up Troy, Troy, you're non or you say this one 133 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: thing one time, so you're estranged warmonger. 134 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: You are right, I get that. 135 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: So what do you think people misunderstand about being a libertarian? 136 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: Well, it now means so many different things. So I've 137 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: got a good friend who no longer calls herself a libertarian. 138 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: She calls herself a classical liberal because she feels like 139 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: the term has been bastard. And you know, people who 140 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 3: claim to be libertarians have been marginalized in this playpen 141 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: of absurdity. And you know, the people assume that libertarians 142 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: just want everything to be like Pioneer Courthouse Square and Portland, Oregon. 143 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 4: Right, they just want you know. 144 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: It's like drugs and sexual assaults, and you know, people 145 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: doing that. 146 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 4: I can't get enough. 147 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 5: And just like you know, feces everywhere sea and like 148 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 5: that is somehow the libertarian ideal, and for me, that 149 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 5: is not the ideal. 150 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: It's actually a civil society where people have agreed upon 151 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: rules and there are also agreed upon punishment. So if 152 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: you violate the rules, you know what you're up against, 153 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: which you know it is an imbalance of punishment in 154 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: places like Portland, which you know, they've taken these great 155 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: cities Francisco, La, Seattle, Minneapolis, Portland and they've just flushed 156 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: him down the toilet. And you know, I was talking 157 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: to one economist who said that Portland committed suicide. And 158 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: many of these choices have been overt and leaders have gone, 159 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: you know what, Yeah, let's encourage people to sleep literally anywhere. 160 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: Let's stop arresting people for just about anything, and let's 161 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: have this free for all, so you can no longer 162 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 3: have free association and what used to be one of 163 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 3: the most livable cities in the country. 164 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: Right, So I noticed he don't say New York though 165 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: in that list, I. 166 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: Was sticking out West. But New York. New York has 167 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: its own set of problems. 168 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 3: New York is such a big place and it's not 169 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: impossible to govern, but it just has not been governed well. 170 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: And to Mayor Adam's credit, I think half the time 171 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: he really does try. I think that he really is 172 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: plagued by frustration. I think that he's you know, phenomenally 173 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: better than build the Blasio. Yeah, but he's where So No, 174 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: Deblagio really did more to harm the city than any 175 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: mayor I have seen since I have lived here. I 176 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: haven't lived here as long as you have, but I 177 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: first moved here in the fall of nineteen ninety two 178 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: and have seen you know, various iterations and evolutions of 179 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: the city. And build a Blasio put the city in 180 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: such a downward spiral that it's impossible to recover from 181 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: in one mayor old term. 182 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people ask me, like, 183 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: why didn't I leave New York sooner? And my answer 184 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: to that is always like things were so good for 185 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: so long that we almost expected to coast with. 186 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 2: Deblasio, and we did for a little while. 187 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: His first term was a lot of coasting on previous 188 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, accomplishments of you know, the Bloomberg and the 189 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: Giuliani eras. But eventually we ran out of steam and 190 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: his actual governance started to take cold and I had 191 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: to go, Oh, but you know, I root for New 192 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: York to come back. I think Mayor Adams is infinitely 193 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: better than Deblasio. 194 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: I think he's he can't. 195 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: Really do what he wants to do in a lot 196 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: of ways or say what he wants to say, which 197 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: is a problem. 198 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: But you know, better than the last guy, for sure. 199 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 200 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: And there's a natural power struggle between Albany and New 201 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: York City because the governor of New York wants to 202 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: be the boss of New York City. But New York 203 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: State wouldn't be New York State without new York City, right, 204 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: It's tax base. 205 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: And so there you've. 206 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: Got these two powerful figures who are always at odds 207 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: with each other. But I think Kathy Hochel is one 208 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: of the most incompetent governors in the country. I think 209 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: she's absolutely awful on just about everything. 210 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: Oh, I agree. 211 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: I'm really bombed that she won outright. 212 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sad that New Yorkers don't demand more from 213 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: their leaders and with their votes. 214 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree. 215 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: So a question that I ask all of my guests 216 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: is what do you think is our largest cultural or 217 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: societal problem in America, and do you think it's solvable. 218 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: The biggest problem is it's kind of broad, but it 219 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 3: is the encroachment of government into all aspects of our lives. 220 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: Because when government becomes so big and so powerful, when 221 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 3: they have so much money, when we are beholden to 222 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 3: them with our tax dollars, they do have much more 223 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 3: say over what we do, how we can start businesses, 224 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: regulating businesses, how our kids can be educated, withholding choices 225 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 3: from parents on how their kids can be educated. And 226 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: then what that turns into is when you have kids 227 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 3: who are educated by propagandists who are beholden to the status. 228 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 3: The status need an entire generation of people to be 229 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: dependent on government to make governments flourish, and so there 230 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 3: it fosters this climate of victimhood where you know, kids 231 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: are told that they are either victims or they are oppressors, 232 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 3: but either way they are at odds with each other. 233 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: And the only thing that can break that cultural stalemate 234 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: is government intervention. And you know, it is created this 235 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: vicious cycle that it's going to be very very difficult 236 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: to break free from. 237 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 4: I do have hope. 238 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 3: I you know, I have two teenage girls I talk 239 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: to them, I talk to their friends. We talk about politics, 240 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: and I'm finding, especially with some of the teenage boys 241 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: that I talk to, that they are much more skeptical 242 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 3: of government. It's really funny because the only way to 243 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: rebel nowadays it's it's not to be it's not to 244 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: be trans you know, it's not to be non binary. 245 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: It's to be a Republican and so and a lot 246 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: of teenage boys like all they want to do is 247 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 3: pissed people off, and so they found the easiest way 248 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: to do that is to be Republican. 249 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 250 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: I can't imagine any child of Kennedy's is going to 251 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: be status. 252 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: So you know, no, I told them. 253 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: I told my girls, Like then, it's really funny that 254 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 3: you say that because. 255 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 4: You are from Russia. My mom is from Romania. 256 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: And the only rule that I have, like, I don't 257 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: care if you're a Democrat. I don't care if you're 258 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: a democratic socially not be a communist in my house. Like, 259 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 3: if you can back up whatever you say and whatever 260 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: you believe with facts, with data, with statistics, that's fine. 261 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: We can have a discussion. We can have a rational discussion. 262 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: I'll be skeptical of you. You can be skeptical of me. 263 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 3: We'll find areas of agreement. You may not be a 264 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: communist if you are. If you're a communistic, you may 265 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: not live in my house. You may not take my 266 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: stuff I am. You are not entitled to anything I have. 267 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah. 268 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: So you got your start very famously as a VJ 269 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: and MTV, and you know, I feel like so many 270 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: people just remember you being such a unique voice on there. 271 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: Did you get a lot of like pushback from people? 272 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: Were you, you know, a libertarian then? You know, was 273 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,359 Speaker 1: everybody around you a communist? 274 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 4: I was a libertarian. There weren't a lot of communists. 275 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: There were a lot of moderate Clinton Democrats, and they 276 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: were really excited and they had a lot of momentum 277 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: going into the nineties because I was hired at MTV 278 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: in September of nineteen ninety two. The election obviously was 279 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: in November, and the Clinton era began when my time 280 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: at MTV began. 281 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 4: So you had a lot of people who were, you know. 282 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: Very pleased with being in the majority after twelve years 283 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: of Reagan Bush and it was it was interesting because 284 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: it was a little bit more politically charitable. I did 285 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: get pushed back, but being you know, because I considered 286 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: myself to be a Republican at the time, because I 287 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: didn't have words for what it meant to be a libertarian. 288 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: I didn't know what it meant to be a libertarian 289 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: at that time. But there was more charity because I 290 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: was seen as kind of this nutty unicorn and then 291 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: there was a character based on me on Murphy Brown 292 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: McGovern and I was always somebody I know that super yeah, 293 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: I was always super embarrassed by that. But now I 294 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: look back and I'm like, you know, I wish I 295 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: had embraced that more. I wish I had pushed back 296 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 3: a little bit more. But I did talk about politics. 297 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: I did go on CNBC because Fox News wasn't around 298 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: yet when I was there, and I would go on 299 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: shows and I would argue with people and it was. 300 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 4: A fun time. 301 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 3: But there was definitely more curiosity for the other side. 302 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: And that doesn't happen now, Like if there were any 303 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: kind of ATV reunion, they would never have me back 304 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: because I represent you know, conservative media, and I'm like, 305 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: guess what. The people that I was partying with and 306 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: talking to and playing videos for my needs a lot 307 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: of them are libertarians now. 308 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: A lot of them are conservatives now. 309 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: And they've got families, and they've got businesses, and they 310 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: live through the pandemic and they are some of the 311 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: most skeptical people on the planet. And that's who I 312 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: get to talk to every single day. I didn't change. 313 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: I didn't have to change. 314 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: Yes, you know I can. 315 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: I can speak the truth and I can and even 316 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: if you don't believe what I believe, I can at 317 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: least back it up with some evidence that's right. 318 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: And I mean, I think you're one of the better 319 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: known people, you know from all of MTV. Really, I 320 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: don't know that they wouldn't have you on would be 321 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: crazy because I think that, you know, you'd be definitely 322 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, you have most famous libertarian plus top three 323 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: MTV VJs. I think of all time that people would 324 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, be able to name. We're going to take 325 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: a quick break and be right back on the Carol 326 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: marco It Show. Is it weird living a public life 327 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: being recognized. 328 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: It's funny because I have been on TV for a 329 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: majority of my life. So I'm fifty one now, I've 330 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: been on TV since I was twenty and then when 331 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: I was on MTV. It was such a different time 332 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: because my old boss Andy has explained this so well. 333 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 3: It was like opening up your laptop and there was 334 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 3: no Facebook, there. 335 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 4: Was no Safari. It just went right right to MTV. 336 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: That's all there was. 337 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: And you know, we had a cultural monopoly and didn't 338 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: really appreciate it. And you know, every once in a 339 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 3: while the music labels would talk about starting a channel 340 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: and things like that would pop up, but it MTV 341 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 3: still had the monopoly on everything until they stopped playing 342 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: music and really went into reality TV, which everyone else 343 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 3: was doing at that time, and so the audience share 344 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: sort of dissipated pretty quickly. But at that time it 345 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 3: was just us. We didn't have social media, thank god, 346 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: because I don't know what I would have posted in 347 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 3: some of my more impulsive moments. But it was there 348 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: was such hyper focus, and I just learned how to 349 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 3: not look people in the eye and I always wore hats. 350 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 4: And so now media is. 351 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 3: So diffuse, like there's so many media outlets and there's 352 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: so many people. Everyone has a podcast, like everyone's got 353 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: a show, so there are so many outlets that no 354 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: few people are that famous anymore. And you know, of course, 355 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 3: I didn't realize at the time the people who were 356 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: making news and music would turn out to be icons. 357 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 3: Like I didn't know, you know, obviously when cro Cobaine 358 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: was alive, that the conversations that we had would mean 359 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 3: so much to me later in life, and that that 360 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 3: would be the object of curiosity when I talk to 361 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: people about my time at MTV later, and it's it's 362 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 3: bittersweet because I look back and it was such an 363 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: incredible moment and we all had so much fun and 364 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: we're really appreciating and living in every moment. But I 365 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 3: look back and I know so many people who have 366 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: died since then, and you know, some of them, you know, 367 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 3: like Kurk Cobain, like Chris Cornell, Uh, they're really tragic, 368 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: Scott Weiland, right, you know. And there are people that 369 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 3: they're just no longer here, like their story, their personal 370 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: story ended, and so what gets created after that is myth. 371 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's weird, But also like I've been through 372 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 3: so much. I've been through so many up and downs 373 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: personally and professionally that I was really able to when 374 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: I left MTV kind of find myself and exists outside 375 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 3: of a realm where I needed to be famous and 376 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: needed the outside not attention but AGUALI yeah, and and 377 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: the outside force of anything else. And I learned to 378 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: create an identity that was mine and have never really 379 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: left that. So it's like, if I weren't famous tomorrow, 380 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: I would be fine with that, you know, if my 381 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: broadcast career goes on for another thirty years, like, I'm 382 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: good with that too. 383 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've made it? 384 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 4: I feel like. 385 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: Every job I had since MTV I've felt like was 386 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: a bonus round. And I say that because I knew 387 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: so many people and they called it the curse of MTV, 388 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: so many people who were VJs who really never heard 389 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: from again, right, And you know, because there wasn't a 390 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 3: natural media outlet for so many people to go who 391 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 3: had cycled through as VJs that you know, other than 392 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: music radio people didn't really do much. And so that 393 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 3: was that was a huge source of anxiety for me 394 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: the whole time I was there, and I was always 395 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: looming over me, like what am I going to do 396 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: after this? And it wasn't until I left and started 397 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: living my own life that I was like, oh, there's 398 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 3: so much you can do anything else. 399 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 4: On top of that has been a giant bonus. 400 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: And it's funny because I have been at Fox twice 401 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: as long as I was at MTV. 402 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: Wow, that's really amazing. I didn't realize that. 403 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: I recently saw pictures of you and Cat Timp on 404 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: a safari trip in Africa. 405 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: One of the things that we'd get into. 406 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, jealous obviously, but that's a 407 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: side note. But something that I cover a lot on 408 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: this show is making friends in adulthood, maintaining friendships when 409 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: you have kids. 410 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: How do you do it? How is the trip? Tell 411 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: us everything? 412 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 4: So the trip was great. 413 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: Cat and I bonded when her mom died a year 414 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 3: before my father passed away, and she was one of 415 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 3: the first people who reached out to me, and she 416 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: reached out to me with humor, which I really appreciated 417 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: because you know, grief is it's such a dynamic thing 418 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 3: that sometimes it's really heavy and it just feels like 419 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: you're wearing a lead vest and you're walking through cement. 420 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: It's very difficult to concentrate. It's hard to do day 421 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: to day tasks, and you know, other days you have 422 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 3: this energy and you don't know where it comes from, 423 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: and it kind of worries you. But you don't do 424 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 3: very much is laugh, like you don't give your self 425 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 3: professional laugh, and people don't. 426 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 4: Know how to laugh with you. 427 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: They don't want to trivialize your grieving process. But someone 428 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: who was fresh to the process, who was able to 429 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: laugh with me, we bonded very deeply over that and 430 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 3: have been friends ever since. And you know we have, 431 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 3: we've traveled together. She came to Greece with me with 432 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 3: her husband last year for my fiftieth birthday. And so 433 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: my swim coach is from South Africa and is putting 434 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 3: together a safari business and so he needed like two 435 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: clients as a maiden voyage to go through the entire process. 436 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 3: And he asked if I had a friend I would 437 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 3: like to go with, and so I called Kat and 438 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: she was like, absolutely, Lion King. 439 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 4: Is my favorite movie. I had been to Africa, so 440 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 4: I know, like you have to jump in with both feet, 441 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 4: and she did. And it was a magical trip from 442 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 4: beginning to end. 443 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 3: Where when you allow things to happen and you don't 444 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 3: try to control them and you just take in your surroundings, 445 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 3: that's when magical things really happen in your life, and 446 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: from the moment we got there, we saw things that 447 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 3: are so rare to see on safari. So the wild dogs, 448 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: they're called painted wolves. There are so few of them 449 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: left in Africa. It is the most endangered carnivorous species 450 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: in Sub Saharan Africa, and their numbers are dwindling. They're 451 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: phenomenal predators. They're absolutely beautiful. They look they do look 452 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: like paintings. They look otherworldly, and they don't bark, they squeak. 453 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: And so we saw this big pack with lots of 454 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: pups and they're very efficient hunters. 455 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 4: And then the next day there are only five white 456 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 4: lions that live in the wild world, and we saw 457 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 4: three events. 458 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: And so then then the next day we saw a 459 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: day old elephant with its umbilical cord still attached, and 460 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: we saw a leopard, Like it's really difficult to see 461 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: leopards in the wild. We saw a leopard that was 462 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: three feet from us that had just killed an adult kudoo, 463 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 3: which is like a giant antelope, and had eaten half 464 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 3: the carcass, and its belly was the size of a 465 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 3: medicine ball. And so this leopard was exhausted and it 466 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: was protecting its kill, their vultures swirling overhead signaling to 467 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: other hunters that there's fresh prey here. Yeah, a hyena 468 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: had already stolen the stomach, and so the leopard is 469 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: fighting off the hyenas, the vultures and the worry of 470 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: a lion pride coming through and trying to steal the 471 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: kill because a leopard can't fight a pride of lions. 472 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 2: That is crazy. Was it like? 473 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 4: It was it one thing after another. 474 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 3: We laughed so hard, We had so much fun, and 475 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 3: the places that we want, we're just they were magical 476 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: beyond belief. Part of the magic is it's not Disneyland. 477 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: There are no walls, there are no cast members. 478 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 479 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: There were two male lions that walk through the lawn 480 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: at dinner. 481 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's no fence between you and the lions. 482 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: There is nothing. 483 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 3: And then we walk outside the same night and there 484 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 3: were two male cape buffalo and a third coming up 485 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 3: behind them. And male cape buffalo who have left the 486 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: herd are some of the most dangerous animals in Africa 487 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: because they give you absolutely no warning. They gore you 488 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 3: with their giant horns and then they crush you with 489 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 3: the top of their head and then they stomp on 490 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: you until you're intro Yeah, it's but it's really interesting, 491 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 3: Like you don't react with your fear the way you 492 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: think you would. You react by being very calm and 493 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: very still and hyper observant. And it's amazing how quickly 494 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: you get back in touch with senses. 495 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 4: That you don't use on a daily basis in active 496 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 4: city life. 497 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: Going. 498 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: That's it I have. 499 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 4: It's awesome. It's absolutely right. 500 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: So and here with. 501 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: Your best tip for my listeners on how they can 502 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: improve their lives. 503 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so glad you asked that. 504 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 3: So I just did a podcast that Kennedy Saves the 505 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 3: World podcast about cold showers. 506 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 4: Cold showers lots. 507 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 2: Of scientific benefits. 508 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: Yep. And every shower like hot bath with it. 509 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: Do a hot bath and then finish with the cold 510 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: shower and just steal everything in. Get as much sleep 511 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 3: as you possibly can. I'm a huge fan of meditation. 512 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: There's no such thing as being good at meditation. Your 513 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: mind will wander. You just have to come back to it. 514 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 3: You have to constantly come back to a meditator process. 515 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 3: But it is one of the most helpful things that 516 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 3: I have found. 517 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: Right, I'm going to meditate and take a cold shower tonight, 518 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: and I will think of you, Kennedy. 519 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 4: Thank you the best weep. 520 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: I hope so well. Thank you so much for coming on. 521 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: Loved having you. Please come back another time. 522 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: You are just the You are amazing, Carol, and I 523 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 3: love reading what you write. I love that you have 524 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: a podcast now. I think iHeartRadio is a perfect home 525 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 3: for you. Thank you, Thank you so much for having me. 526 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, Kennedy, Thanks so much for joining us on 527 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: The Carol Markowitz Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.