1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,119 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdict with Ted Cruz. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: Week in Review, Ben Ferguson with you, and here are 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: the big stories that you may have missed that we 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 2: talked about this week. First up, Donald Trump making it 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: very clear to Iran do not attack Americans or our 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: interest in the Middle East, and if you do, there 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: will be hell to pay. Also, Israel gains air superiority 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: over the entire state of Iran, and now the people 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: of Iran may realize the regime is not as strong 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: as they thought. And finally, Tucker Carlson doesn't believe Iran 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: wants to assassinate or plan to assassinate Donald Trump. It's 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: the Week in Review and it starts right now. That 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: note that he put out there was very clear because 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: he's saying, hey, hey, we weren't involved in this, and 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: we're going to state that clearly this was Israel. 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Doing their thing. 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: But if you think for a moment that you can 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: use us to justify attacking Americans anywhere in the world, 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: there will be hell to pay if you do that. 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: Look, I think if Iran carries out a significant strike 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 3: on American servicemen and women, then I think America if 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: they think the bombs coming from Israel are bad. I 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: think they will face massive retaliation, and then that's called deterrence. 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 3: We want them not to strike our servicemen and women. 25 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: And by the way, that's the difference between Joe Biden, 26 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: who was so weak he couldn't deter anything. It helps 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: that our enemies are afraid of the commander in chief. 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 3: That's where actually in the debates about foreign policy, those 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: who argue for isolationism get it wrong, because if you're 30 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: so terrified to engage with your enemies, then you end 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: up causing more war. 32 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 4: I think Reagan was right. 33 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: I think Trump is right that when you're strong, when 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: you tell your enemies, if you attack and kill Americans, 35 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: your military leaders are going to die. What happens is 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: most of the time they say, you know what, We're 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: just not going to attack, and you end up avoiding 38 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: war because because they're scared of the commander in chief. 39 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: So where does this go from here? 40 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: And this is where everybody's saying, hey, look, we want 41 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: an off ramp, right, like, that's something we do want. 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: We want this, we want to protect lives. But at 43 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: the same time, Israel is I think making it very 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: clear we have no choice but to do this, and 45 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: we're doing the world a huge service by doing it. 46 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Israeli government is talking on a time 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 3: frame that this could last another week or two. They're 48 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: engaged in massive bombings and at some point, you know, 49 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: at some point the question is how much ordinance do 50 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: they have, how much capacity do they have to keep bombing, 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: and how many targets do they have? You know, I 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 3: will say also one of the most significant sites is Fordau. Now, 53 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: Fordau is a nuclear bunker that is built into the 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: side of a mountain, and it's built deliberately to make 55 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: it very difficult strike to carry out an airstrike, and 56 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: it's where much of their nuclear research is being conducted. Now, 57 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: there were reports on Sunday that Israel carried out a 58 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 3: strike at Fordau, but at least based on publicly reported material, 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: Israel does not have sufficiently effective bunker buster bombs to 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: be able to take out the deep underground laboratories at Fordau. 61 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: And so one of the open questions is, to the 62 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: best of my knowledge, the only military that has those 63 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: bombs is the United States. We have really big bunker 64 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: busters that are made to take out deep, deep underground 65 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: facilities like the ford Ou nuclear facilities, and so one 66 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: open question. I have for a long time called for 67 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: the United States to make those bunker busters available to Israel. 68 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: I think taking out ford Ou makes a lot of sense. 69 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: I think if Israel does it. And by the way, 70 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: I'll point out, look, Israel is a small country. Israel 71 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,119 Speaker 3: is about the size of the state of New Jersey. 72 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: And and and they are fighting against our enemies, our 73 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: enemies who a pledge they want to murder us, and 74 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: they're doing so at great risk to themselves. But but 75 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: and so that is something to be grateful for. But understand, 76 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: they're taking out Iran's nuclear capabilities is very very good 77 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: for America because it makes America safer. And I think 78 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: if Israel finishes the job of taking out their nuclear capability, 79 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: I think this that these attacks likely end within the 80 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 3: next couple of weeks. 81 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: You look at Donald Trump saying we can probably get 82 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: a deal done. Is that after we accomplish the mission. 83 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: If you're reading between the lines here, I mean you've 84 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: spoken with them, is this a we got to allow 85 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: our ally Israel to do what they need to do 86 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: in that timeframe as well. 87 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: So listen, I'm skeptical that Iran will ever ever cut 88 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: a real deal. I don't think you can negotiate with 89 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 3: crazy and I think these people are crazy. 90 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 4: Uh and and and so. 91 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: I think one of the things that would enhance American 92 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 3: security massively is to see the Iyatola fall and to 93 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: see the Mullas lose power, to see different leadership come 94 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: to come to Iran. 95 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 4: I think that would make Israel much much safer. 96 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: I think that would make America much safer, and I 97 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: think that would make the Iranian people better off. Now, 98 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: let me be clear, I'm not advocating that we send 99 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: in a bunch of American soldiers to make that happen. 100 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: I am advocating that we use maximum pressure and economic 101 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: sanctions to pressure the regime in a way that might 102 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: encourage this regime to fall, because I think that they 103 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 3: have demonstrated that they are are homicidal and murderously directing 104 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: their urges towards killing Americans, and so removing people from 105 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: power who are trying to kill Americans makes America safer. 106 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: Well me also go back to something you mentioned earlier, 107 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: and this seems to clearly be part of Israel's strategy, 108 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: which is you go after and take out people that 109 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: are in essence holding down the people and silencing the 110 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: people in Iran in the leadership roles. That's part of 111 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: who they seem to be going after. That could be 112 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: huge for allowing what you just described to actually happen 113 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: a revolution within Israel, or I should say within Iran. 114 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: Well and listen. 115 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: One of the conscious choices it appears that Israel made 116 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: was not to target the Iatola himself. And I don't 117 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: have I have no classify information either way. Yeah wow, 118 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 3: so I. 119 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: Said out of Crecy. 120 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 4: So I don't know for sure. 121 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: I have no classified information on this, but I can 122 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 3: give an educated guess, which is that taking out the 123 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: leader of a country through military force is a significant step. Now, 124 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: mind you, the Ayatola is perfectly fine hiring hitmen to 125 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: try to murder Donald Trump. So the Ayatola has no 126 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: problem doing it. And I have no doubt that if 127 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: the Ayatola could could murder Prime Minister net and Yahoo, 128 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: he would do so in the blink of an eye. 129 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: He has not been able to do so. 130 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 3: But I think the Israelis, given their success and taking 131 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: out everyone else, I think it's reasonable to assume that 132 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: they would have had a real prospect of taking the 133 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: Iatola out had they chosen to do so. My guess 134 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: is that they made a decision that taking out the 135 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: leader of the country could backfire, especially given that he 136 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: is also a religious leader, and you run into a 137 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 3: danger of potentially making him a martyr. And and and 138 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: it is not clear if you toppled him in those circumstances, 139 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: you might get a younger, theocratic lunatic take over instead. 140 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: And and so I think it is a reasonable decision 141 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: for Israel to say, rather than target the Iotola directly, 142 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: let's take out every one of their top military officers 143 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: that they would use to prosecute a war. And and 144 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: by the way, those are the same people they use 145 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: to push down and uprising to oppress their people and 146 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: so degrading their capabilities. It's it's what they've done with Hesbla, 147 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: They've taken out their top leadership. It's what they've done. 148 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: It's what they've done with Hamas. And i'll tell you. 149 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: On Saturday, Israel conducted a strike in Yemen, killing the 150 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: Huthi Chief of Staff Muhammad abdul Karim al Gamari, who 151 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: was responsible for overseeing Huthi military operations and directing the 152 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: procurement and deployment of a number of weapons systems for them. 153 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: The Huthis are another arm of Iran, and so what 154 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: Israel has done is weakened Iran on every front, and 155 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: that oppressive infrastructure, their ability to wage war, their ability 156 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 3: to kill Israeli's, their ability to kill Americans, their ability 157 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: to fund terrorism, and their ability to suppress their people, 158 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: all of those are substantially weakened. 159 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: That's a very good thing. 160 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: Final question for you on this as we move forward 161 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: through this week. I think it's pretty obvious the media 162 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: is obsessed with Donald Trump somehow not standing with Israel 163 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: or trying to drive a wedge. Do you think there's 164 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: any chance at all that can happen, because in the 165 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: in the early questions, it was almost like, you guys 166 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 2: are idiots. 167 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: Come on. 168 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: I think President Trump has been the strongest pro Israel 169 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: president in the history of America. It's an exact contrast 170 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: with Joe Biden. Joe Biden was the most anti Israel 171 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: president in the history of America. The fact that they 172 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 3: occurred back and back, you want to talk about about whiplash. 173 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: You'll recall we did this podcast on when when BB 174 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: came to Washington and I met with him for about 175 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: two hours. He is he is a good friend. I 176 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: have not spoken to BB since this war broke out, 177 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 3: although I did speak with the Israeli ambassador to the 178 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 3: United States on Thursday night, the night the war began. 179 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 4: Uh and and and listen. 180 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: Their successes are significant, but but they they have the 181 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: complete backing of of of the Trump administration, and that 182 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: is important. I do think that there are some voices 183 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: within the administration that are pressing back and and and 184 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 3: part of the reason I talked to President Trump today 185 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: was to say, what you're doing is exactly right. You're 186 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: making America safer by allowing Israel to take out Iran's nukes, 187 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: and you're also protecting American servicemen and women. Keep doing it, 188 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 3: and and and he he agreed emphatically. 189 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,479 Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, 190 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast 191 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: from earlier this week. 192 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: Now onto story number two. 193 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 2: Well, let's also talk about what's happened with the air superiority, 194 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: or the lack of security that Iran actually had over 195 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: their own country. Yes, and that could also spell trouble 196 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: for the leadership in Iran because now the people may realize, wow, 197 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: we may have been played by these these these horrible leaders. 198 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: And there is total air superiority now by Israel or 199 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: anybody that wants to go after Iran. 200 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 3: So Israel and potentially America have complete air superiority over Iran. 201 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: And Israel has taken out Iran's air defenses, so they're 202 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: not able to stop Israeli jets in the air, and 203 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: the bombers are bombing the hell out of As of 204 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: two days ago, there had been over seven and twenty 205 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 3: military strikes in Iran. The numbers substantially higher now. I 206 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: don't have the current number, but it was seven hundred 207 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: and twenty two days ago. And Iran is not able 208 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: to do anything about it because their air defenses have 209 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: been destroyed, and so they're just sitting ducks. They're just 210 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: and I will tell you the dynamics. So there's a 211 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: delicate question. Israel has been able to and it actually 212 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: has succeeded in taking out a massive amount of the 213 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: military leadership of Iran. They have also succeeded in pounding 214 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 3: the hell out of Iran's nuclear facilities, like the Natans Facility, 215 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: which is where they do much of the nuclear enrichment. 216 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 3: Israel has bombed the living crap out of The one 217 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: exception that Israel is not able to take out is 218 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: the four DOH Nuclear Research Facility now Foidah is built 219 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: literally in the base of a mountain, and it was 220 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 3: built into a mountain particularly to withstand a bombing attack. 221 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: And Israel does not have the military hardware to take 222 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: out Florida. Their bombs are not big enough. America does 223 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: we have bunker buster bombs that are thirty thousand pounds, 224 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: that are massive bombs that can take out on underground, 225 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: under mountain nuclear facility like Florida. Israel also does not 226 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 3: have bombers that are big enough to carry a thirty 227 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: thousand pound bomb. 228 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 4: That's a big ass bomb. 229 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 3: And so the B two bomber which America has is 230 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: big enough to carry that bomb. Israel doesn't have bombers 231 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: that big. And so one of the open questions Israel 232 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: is asked, America, will you fly in the bombers and 233 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 3: drop your bunker busters on four to oh and take 234 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: it out? 235 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 4: As you and I sit here. 236 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: At twelve what is it twelve forty three am? On 237 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: Tuesday night Wednesday morning. I do not know if President 238 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: Trump's going to do that. This is being actively debated. 239 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 3: It could by the time this podcast comes out, it 240 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 3: is possible that America will drop those bunker busters. I 241 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: think that is a real possibility in the next few hours, 242 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: in the next few days. 243 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: And in my view, with that being said, then I 244 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: got to ask this questions that people understand. I said 245 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: this earlier night on Chris Cuomo's show, and I said 246 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: on Pierce Mortgan's show, and I said, I'm Fox the 247 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 2: same thing. 248 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 3: I am not in favor, but Ben, you're a lot 249 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: of lefty shows, Pierce. 250 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: I'm fighting the commis every day. 251 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 3: You know, is like does Bernie Sanders have a show 252 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: AOC Like are you going on with with She of China? 253 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: Trying to go on with Tucker next? 254 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: You know, and just see if I can, I can, 255 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: I can explain to them what my foreign policy is. 256 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: But it's I'm not in favor of putting troops on 257 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: the ground. Donald Trump's on favor of putting troops around. 258 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely no, no, no, no troops on the ground. 259 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: So what we're advocating for is simply this, if America 260 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: gets involved it would be to do exactly what you 261 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: just said. It would be to do what Israel can't do, 262 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: to take out a. 263 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: Nuclear drop a couple of bombs. 264 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: Threat, yes, to drop a couple of bombs, to drop 265 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: a couple of bombs that Israel can't like their bombs 266 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: are not big enough to take out Florida. And I 267 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: will say this from a perspective, My overwhelming touchstone is 268 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: what protects American national security interest, what keeps American safer. 269 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: It's America first. It's President Trump's foreign policy. That is 270 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: my foreign policy. And I will say when when he 271 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: and I talked on Sunday, his comment when I was 272 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: telling him, you're doing a great job. What you're doing 273 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 3: is fantastic as commenties, he said, ted on foreign policy, 274 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: you and I are twins, And that's right. I agree 275 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: with him on foreign policy. The reason there is I 276 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: think a compelling argument for America to take out FIDOH 277 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: is Fourida. They are doing research on nuclear weapons technology, 278 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: They're trying to develop nuclear bombs. They're not doing it 279 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: because the Iyatola thinks climate change is a problem and 280 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: he wants to create civilian nuclear power generation. It is 281 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: entirely creating a bomb that could murder millions of Americans 282 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: or millions of Israelis. They put it in the basement 283 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: of a mountain because they didn't want to be bombed. 284 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: Only America can take them out. And I got to say, 285 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: I think dropping those bombs, I have zero interest. We 286 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: will not send boots on the ground. We are not 287 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: going to invade Iran, and I have zero interest in 288 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: coming into the country and trying to turn it into 289 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: a democratic utopia. 290 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: We don't. 291 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: Look it would be wonderful if Iran woke up tomorrow 292 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: and it was Switzerland. But I'm not willing to risk 293 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: your children or my children to go in and fight 294 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: a war to make that happen. It is a very 295 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: different calculus to say, should we drop a couple of 296 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: bombs and take out a lab and facility where they're 297 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: developing nuclear weapons to murder Americans? And I think that's 298 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: a compelling argument. And I got to say, I think 299 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: there's a real possibility in the next few hours or 300 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: days that's exactly what's going to happen. 301 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: Final question on this. 302 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: If Donald Trump does in fact make this decision, I 303 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: actually don't think this is a tough decision or a 304 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: hard decision. I think it's a simple decision as you 305 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: described it. If we must protect the homeland and we 306 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: must protect our allies at the same time, and we're 307 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: both a target, and we know what a RAM would 308 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: do if they got a nuclear weapon, and we know 309 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: that even if they didn't do it, they might. 310 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: Give it to their proxies to do it as well. 311 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: You add all that up, I think this decision is 312 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: actually pretty clear if the President gree does that and 313 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: we move forward. There's also this big obsession in the 314 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: media out there's some massive in the maga world, and 315 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: this is going to split the Republican Party. I actually 316 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a blip and we're gonna move 317 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: back on to all the issues that we do agree on. 318 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm not taking the bait on that. I want your 319 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: take on it as well. 320 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 321 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 3: Look, so I did Sean Hannity this evening, and Hannity 322 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: had a poll that just came out that showed seventy 323 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: five percent of Americans agree with President Trump that we 324 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: should act against Iran to prevent them from getting a 325 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: nuclear weapons using And the question in the poll was 326 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 3: whatever means necessary. Seventy five percent I don't know that 327 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: seventy five percent of Americans agree on butterflies or rainbows 328 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: or Peter peanut butter and jelly like. That's a big 329 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 3: percentage in today's divided world. And so it is frankly 330 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: a handful of people who are disagreeing. Tucker is really 331 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 3: an outlier on this, and and I made the point, 332 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: and we're going to talk about this. Friday's pod is 333 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: going to be all about this. But but Tucker used 334 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: to be years ago. Tucker was a neo Khan interventionist 335 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: who was a cheerleader for the Iraq War, and he 336 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 3: practically had on a short skirt and pomp pumps. I 337 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 3: think the Iraq War was a catastrophic mistake, and so 338 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 3: I think he was far too interventionist. And Tucker does too. 339 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 3: He thinks he was wrong, and I respect that. Look, look, 340 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 3: intelligent people will assess change circumstances and be willing to 341 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: change their position based on the facts, and so I 342 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: respect that he changed his views. But the point I 343 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 3: made is he went from being an interventionist far too 344 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 3: eager to send in the Marines, to being an isolationist 345 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: who says we should never ever use the military even 346 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: when we've got a lunatic, theocratic zealot who is trying 347 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 3: to murder Americans and has murdered hundreds of Americans, and 348 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 3: and and so I actually think that view is a 349 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: really fringe view in America. It's a fringe view in Maga, 350 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: and it's a fringe view across the country. And and 351 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 3: I think the American people want a president who's going 352 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 3: to say, we will protect ourselves against people who want 353 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: to kill us. That's exactly what Donald Trump is doing. 354 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: As before. 355 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: If you want to hear the rest of this conversation 356 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 2: on this topic, you can go back and dow the 357 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: podcast from earlier this week to hear the entire thing. 358 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: I want to get back to the big story number 359 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: three of the week you may have missed. I want 360 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: to get back into the Tucker Carlson interview that you 361 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: did and center. There was some interesting themes that came 362 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 2: out of this interview. He was obviously attacking you, he 363 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 2: was attacking Israel, he was attacking groups that support Israel. 364 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: But then there was an even weirder point where I 365 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: think Tucker probably is hoping that we don't play this, 366 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: or that people didn't watch the whole interview, and hear 367 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: this part. It was about the Iranian regime. They've been 368 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: trying to murder Donald Trump. They've hired hitman, They've been 369 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 2: trying to hire hitman. They've come after former cabinet members 370 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. And when you brought it up, he 371 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 2: acted like he I've never heard of this before, and 372 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: that you were either lying or this is shocking news 373 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: to him. 374 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was utterly bizarre. And I got to say, 375 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 3: in the whole course of the two hour interview, this 376 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 3: was the strangest portion. For the last two years, Iran 377 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: has been actively trying to murder President Donald Trump. Iran 378 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: has hired hitman to murder President Trump, and I Ran 379 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 3: also has been trying to murder Mike Pompeo, President Trump's 380 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 3: former secretary of State, John Bolton, President Trump's former national 381 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: security advisor, and Brian Hook, President Trump's former assistant secretary 382 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: of State. All of them, Iran has hired hitman and 383 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: has been targeting them. Bizarrely, and this has been widely reported. 384 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: These are objective facts, but bizarrely, Tucker Carlson assisted insisted 385 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: this has never happened. 386 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 4: Here, give a listen. 387 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 5: I just want to pull that thread because it's so important. 388 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 5: I voted for Donald Trump. I can't paign for Donald Trump. 389 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 5: He's our president and were in the cusp of a war. 390 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 5: So if Iran, if there's evidence that Iran paid hitman 391 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 5: to kill Donald Trump and is currently doing that, where 392 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 5: is that? What do you have talking? I've never heard 393 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 5: that before. Okay, where's the evidence? Who are these people? 394 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 5: Why haven't they been arrested? Why are we not at 395 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 5: war with Iran? That's a great question to ask. How 396 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 5: do you know that that's true. 397 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 3: We know that it's true because we have been told 398 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 3: that by the military at our intelligence community for the 399 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: last two years. We meaning who Congress has in the public. 400 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I had multiple testimonies. I can send you 401 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 3: test We know the names. 402 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 5: Of the people are where this happened or what they 403 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 5: tried to do to kill Trump. 404 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 4: We do not. 405 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: We have not apprehended an Iranian hit man trying to 406 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 3: kill him. We know that Iran is trying to do 407 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 3: so in the United States. 408 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 5: Yes, and by the way, like Iran, this just seems 409 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 5: like a huge headline and you're acting like everyone knows this. 410 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: I didn't know that Iran put out a whole video 411 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: about murdering Trump. 412 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 5: Right, but I've never heard evidence that there are hitmen 413 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 5: in the United States. I mean trying to kill Trump 414 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 5: right now. We should like have a nationwide dragged down 415 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 5: on this and we should attack Iran immediately. If that's true. 416 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 5: Don't you think no, But they're trying to assassinate our president. 417 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 5: They have been for two years. They are animal with them. 418 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 5: Well we are trying to why don't we just nuke 419 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 5: tear If they're trying to murder our president. There's nothing 420 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 5: that you could do that would be worse for the 421 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 5: United States than murdering Trump. And I just don't stand 422 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 5: why you're not calling for the use of nuclear weapons 423 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 5: against the eye total right now. 424 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm serious. If there if you really. 425 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 5: Believe there's a nuclear weapons whatever the problem of so mean, 426 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 5: you don't seem to take the allegation seriously. 427 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: I do. 428 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 5: If you believe they're trying to murder Trump, we need 429 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 5: to stop what we're doing and punish them. 430 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean, insanely bizarre. 431 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: We went from let's not do anything to oh, they're 432 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: trying to call Trump. 433 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: Well, if that's true, let's just nuke them. 434 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: So you're right, the entire two hours. Tucker's position was, 435 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 3: do nothing on Iran, do nothing on Iran, do nothing 436 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: on Iran, do not support Israel, do not support Israel, 437 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: do not support Israel. But if Iran is trying to 438 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 3: murder Trump, then we should nuke them. Okay, Ben, That's 439 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: absolutely wacky. And and look it's the sign of someone 440 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 3: who's not presenting an argument in good faith. No, we 441 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 3: should not be new King Iran. That's not a good idea. 442 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: And by the way, this is a point where actually 443 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: facts matter. And part of what was frustrating about this 444 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: interview is that Tucker just says things that are blatantly 445 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: false and he doesn't care if they're true or false. 446 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: So this is an objective fact. I'm going to read 447 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: to you from a political article on November eighth, twenty 448 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: twenty four, not very long ago. Here's the title. Iran 449 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 3: ordered an operative to assassinate Trump before the election. Federal 450 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 3: prosecutors say the alleged would be assassin is believed to 451 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 3: be in Iran and remains at large. Prosecutors said, here's 452 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: the beginning of the article. The Iranian government ordered an 453 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: operative to assassinate Donald Trump before the twenty twenty four election. 454 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: Manhattan Federal prosecutors said Friday the latest in a string 455 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: of assassination plots directed at the former and future president 456 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 3: in recent months. Prosecutors charged Farhad Shakiri with murder for 457 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: hire and providing material support to foreign terrorist organization. He 458 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 3: is believed to be in Iran and remains at large, 459 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 3: prosecutors said. The article continues quote. According to a criminal 460 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: complaint unsealed in Manhattan Federal Court, Shakiri said during an 461 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 3: FBI interview that in September he was directed by the 462 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 3: Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran to surveil and kill Trump, 463 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 3: whom the charging papers identify as victim for. When Shakiri 464 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: told an IRGC official that doing so would prove expensive, 465 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: the official responded that money's not an issue, which Shakiri 466 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: understood to mean that the IRGC had previously spent a 467 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 3: significant sum of money on efforts to murder victim four 468 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 3: and was willing to continue spending a lot of money 469 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 3: in its attempt to procure victims for assassination. According to 470 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: the charging papers, So there's literally a Department of Justice 471 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: indictments specifically against an assassin for attempting to murder Trump. 472 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 4: There. 473 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: Also, by the way, was a separate assass who was 474 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 3: arrested for renting an apartment next to John Bolton, an 475 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 3: Iranian assassin that was there to murder Trump's former national 476 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: security advisor. And as I noted, the Iranians put out 477 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 3: an entire video, a minute and a half video. It's 478 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: an animated video that shows Donald Trump playing golf and 479 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: shows the Iranians using a drone attack to kill him. 480 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 3: All of that is is objectively true, and yet Tucker says, 481 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: I've never heard a word of it. I don't know 482 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: anything about this, and I want to. I want to 483 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: play this video right here. This is in Farsi, but 484 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 3: but I want to play it, and then I'm going 485 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 3: to tell you what what what he's saying. So give 486 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: a listen. 487 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: I thought I'm going to meet this. 488 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 4: I'll tell you was. 489 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: I mean mckinzio in FID and. 490 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: So let's just be queer. 491 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: That's the IRGC commander live on Islamic Republic of Iran 492 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 2: state TV and tell people what he just said. 493 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 3: Well, his name is Amir Ali Hajazade. He's the commander 494 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: of the IRGC. He's on national television and he says, 495 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: quote God willing will be able to kill Trump, Pompeo, 496 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: General McKenzie, and other US commanders. That's on TV now. 497 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 3: Tucker spent the entire interview denying that Iran was trying 498 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: to kill President Trump. That's objectively false. Facts matter, And bizarrely, 499 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: he said, well, if that fact was true, he thought 500 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 3: we should immediately attack Iran and we should Knukran. Well, no, 501 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 3: that's not the case. We should not Nukran, but we 502 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 3: should do what President Trump is doing right now, which 503 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: is support Israel in taking out Iran's nuclear capability and 504 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 3: their senior military leadership. That actually makes sense. And I'll 505 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 3: tell you. The day after our interview aired, President Trump 506 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: was asked about the conflict between me and Tucker in 507 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: the Oval office. And here give a listen to the 508 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 3: back and forth President Trump had in the Oval with 509 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 3: a reporter. 510 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 5: You see the Tucker carlsident Senator Ted Cruz interview. 511 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: It seems like this issue on whether or not the 512 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: United States should strike is kind of dividing a lot 513 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 3: of your supporters. 514 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 6: No, my supporters are for me. My supporters are America first. 515 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 6: They make America great again. My supporters don't want to 516 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 6: see around have a nuclear weapon. Tucker's a nice guy. 517 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 6: He called apologized the other day because he thought he 518 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 6: said thanks and too strong, and I appreciated that. And 519 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 6: Ted Cruz is a nice guy. I mean, he's been 520 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 6: with me for a long time. I'd say once the 521 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 6: race was over, he's been with me ever since. Right, 522 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 6: but very simple. If they think that it's okay for 523 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 6: Iran to have a nuclear weapon, then they should oppose me. 524 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 6: But nobody thinks it's okay. 525 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 2: This goes back to the very beginning and why I 526 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: think Tucker was so hostile. He wanted a distraction from 527 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: the fact that he had messed up with Trump. He 528 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: had to call Trump and apologize, and he thought, all right, 529 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: if I just go after Ted Cruz, maybe that'll fix 530 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: all my problems. 531 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it worked well. 532 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: And look, the reason that Tucker had to apologize to 533 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 3: Trump is that he had been publicly blasting Trump. He 534 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: said Trump was complicit in Israel's war, and he said 535 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 3: he said what Trump was doing was not America first. 536 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: And President Trump tweeted out and said, look, I'm the 537 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 3: one who created America First, and I decide what it 538 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 3: is and allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon that 539 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: is not America first. And that's exactly what President Trump 540 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 3: said in the oval. You know what's amazing. We've laid 541 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 3: out the facts that is undisputed, by the way, out 542 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: of one hundred senators, all one hundred degree, that Iran 543 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: is trying to murder President Trump. Even the looniest, even 544 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders, even Elizabeth Warren doesn't dispute that Iran is 545 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: trying to murder Trump because it's an objective fact. I've 546 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: laid them out that those facts out repeatedly. You know, 547 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: Tucker has not responded once to that. He has not said, oh, 548 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: I was that's wrong on that. He hasn't said, oh well, 549 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: gosh I said, if that was the case, we should attack. 550 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: I ran immediately in nuke them, which, by the way, 551 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: to be clear, we should not. At the end of 552 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: the day, facts matter, and the good news is the 553 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 3: commander in chief's job is to be clear eyed and 554 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 3: do what is necessary to keep America safe. President Trump 555 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: is doing that. I spoke to him just a few 556 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: days ago and I said, mister President, thank you, thank 557 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 3: you for standing with Israel, thank you for standing up 558 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: for America. 559 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 4: Thank you for. 560 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: Defending our servicemen and women. You noticed Iran has not 561 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: attacked our servicemen and women because the President has made 562 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: clear the consequences would be massive for doing so. And 563 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 3: President Trump right now is being strong and resolute, and 564 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: I'm proud to stand with the President that he is 565 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: doing exactly the right thing. He is embodying America first, 566 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 3: and he's keeping this country safe. 567 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center 568 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to deal 569 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 2: with my podcast, and you can listen to my podcast 570 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: every other day you're not listening to Verdict or each 571 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to 572 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: have you as a listener to again the Ben Ferguson podcasts, 573 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: and we will see you back here on Monday morning.