Speaker 1: My name is Angela Kinsey and I played Angela Martin. Hello,
Speaker 1: my dear friends and listeners. It's good to have you
Speaker 1: back and t G I F as they say. That's right, folks,
Speaker 1: I am coming to you with a very special bonus
Speaker 1: episode of the Office Deep Dive. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Brian Baumgartner. Today Friday, I am so happy to bring
Speaker 1: you the second half of my conversation with Angela Kinsey. Now,
Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to the first part, go back
Speaker 1: and check that out. It is delightful. But I wanted
Speaker 1: to save this part until now for two reasons. The
Speaker 1: first is that today is an Angela's birthday, or as
Speaker 1: Dwight would say, it is your birthday. Happy birthday, Angela, Uh.
Speaker 1: This is my this is my homage to you on
Speaker 1: your very special day. And the second reason is that
Speaker 1: today Angela and I are really getting into the camera's
Speaker 1: role on the show and her relationship to it as
Speaker 1: an actor, so I wanted to save this part for
Speaker 1: our camera as character mini Deep Dive, we also talk
Speaker 1: about Angela's love life, the character Angela uh, and the
Speaker 1: time I almost literally broke her on set, and lots
Speaker 1: of other fond memories. So pull up a chair, or
Speaker 1: strap on your seatbelt tighter however you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: or run on your peloton faster. Enjoy Angela, Kenzie, Bubble
Speaker 1: and Squeak, I love it. Bubble and Squeaker, Bubble and
Speaker 1: Squeaker Cookie every more live over from the nut before.
Speaker 1: In terms of the shooting of the show, the thing
Speaker 1: that I'm the most um proud of is the artistic
Speaker 1: integrity that came with having the camera be a character.
Speaker 1: Do you have any specific moments that you remember about
Speaker 1: interacting with the camera or having the camera as a character. Well,
Speaker 1: I have years of a clandestine relationship, you know, So
Speaker 1: that was always something we had to consider when Dwight
Speaker 1: and I had scenes, is like are we camera aware?
Speaker 1: Do we know that the camera's picking this up? Our
Speaker 1: secret rendezvous and our characters look around for the camera,
Speaker 1: and there's times when we see that we've been caught
Speaker 1: and when we react to being caught. So that the
Speaker 1: camera truly was a character. That crew member was there
Speaker 1: and we were trying to hide from that crew member
Speaker 1: and not be exposed. So that that was always a
Speaker 1: really fun um fun thing to play off of. And
Speaker 1: then I loved at the end that we then get
Speaker 1: to see the footage and we all crowd around Oscar's
Speaker 1: desk and the revelations that come from that. Um So
Speaker 1: I I love that that got to pay off. And
Speaker 1: so when Angela and Dwight were going off on their trysts,
Speaker 1: you were always camera aware. You were always aware of
Speaker 1: where the camera was. Did you ever forget? Oh we did.
Speaker 1: I mean we would get caught in the throes of
Speaker 1: passion and forget. But there was always a moment where
Speaker 1: we looked around before we spoke or did something. There
Speaker 1: was always some moment where we were checking in, like
Speaker 1: in the warehouse, did we get away kind of look around,
Speaker 1: and sometimes we never saw the camera. They truly were
Speaker 1: hidden and a spy shot. And then there were times
Speaker 1: where one of us would find it, usually me, and
Speaker 1: then I would walk off in a huff. That's such
Speaker 1: an interesting There's something so interesting to me about the
Speaker 1: camera being a character and thinking about Dwight and Angela
Speaker 1: that that they were really trying to figure you guys out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like if you think about it, like reality TV, there
Speaker 1: was some segment producer that's like get on that they're
Speaker 1: meeting in the warehouse find him. We want that. What, Um,
Speaker 1: how did your relationship? How did it change Angela? Well?
Speaker 1: I think for me, it just opened her up because
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people that I guess
Speaker 1: in the beginning could sort of see her as one note, like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's just the office bitch. Well guess what, the office
Speaker 1: bitch can be a bitch in love. There's there's a
Speaker 1: there's you know, sneaky bitch. They're super dishes bitch, there's
Speaker 1: uppitty bitch, there's madly in love bitch. Like there's layers
Speaker 1: to her grumpiness, and um, she just as someone I
Speaker 1: think who's very fear based. And I think her falling
Speaker 1: in love with Dwight and having to step out of
Speaker 1: her comfort zone and trust someone and let someone in
Speaker 1: and made her just more three dimensional to me. Right
Speaker 1: when Angela and Dwight started together, were you aware of
Speaker 1: what it was going to turn into? No? No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: And I mean I've talked about this quite a bit
Speaker 1: that we would find out things at the table read.
Speaker 1: So we're at the table read and it's the episode
Speaker 1: where Jim has a barbecue and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: there's two barking stocks rubbing back and forth in the
Speaker 1: dollhouse outside. Rain and I were like what and um,
Speaker 1: Greg had told me that in the writer's room, Um,
Speaker 1: they like to try to pitch like different people, different
Speaker 1: characters within the show that might bring out an interesting
Speaker 1: other side to the other person. And so they would
Speaker 1: like sort of brainstorm name on you know, postcards. And
Speaker 1: they love the idea of Dwight and Angela and that
Speaker 1: that kind of couple seeking power you know. Um, and
Speaker 1: they make sense right. It was ridiculous. I mean, having
Speaker 1: a you know, contract to have a baby and your
Speaker 1: rules and his rules and your needs and his requirements
Speaker 1: juxtaposed with Pam and Jam and they're sort of sweet, normal,
Speaker 1: well somewhat normal, unrequited. Yeah, um, I thought brought great comedy,
Speaker 1: but also it's a testament to you and your work
Speaker 1: and Rain that people bought into it and and believed
Speaker 1: it as ridiculous as it was. Well, I think in
Speaker 1: their own way. There's their story isn't much different than
Speaker 1: Jim and Pam. It's two people that love each other
Speaker 1: and are both a little too scared to let the
Speaker 1: other person know how much they love each other and
Speaker 1: find ways to throw up all these roadblocks, roadblocks, until
Speaker 1: they finally just step out into that scary place and say,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm in it to win it. This is me.
Speaker 1: You got me right. And but they have their you know,
Speaker 1: Jim and Pam. Maybe maybe hers is flirting with him
Speaker 1: a little bit and then he picks her up and
Speaker 1: her shirt comes up and you can see your belly
Speaker 1: and she gets embarrassed and then she doesn't talk to
Speaker 1: him the rest of the day. Maybe that's what's happening there.
Speaker 1: For us, it's like, well, I you know, I will
Speaker 1: here is my like card that we whole punched whenever
Speaker 1: we had sex, like what was it called like a
Speaker 1: frequent like it was an intercourse like punch car. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had our own weird things of just stalling what
Speaker 1: was ultimately what we both wanted. And how much communication
Speaker 1: did you have with the writers about that story? It
Speaker 1: really was the writers. It was they would come up
Speaker 1: with these ideas and I really didn't go to them
Speaker 1: very many times in the course of the show with
Speaker 1: anything that bumped me. Now I would have pitches for them,
Speaker 1: you know. Jim and I pitched to Greg one day
Speaker 1: on set about these ridiculous kind of workshops we'd have
Speaker 1: to do. We both worked in corporate America and there
Speaker 1: were these things like a women in the Workplace kind
Speaker 1: of seminar, and we were telling him about it and
Speaker 1: he was like, hold up, hold up, b J, come here,
Speaker 1: write this down. And he made b jaket a notepadded
Speaker 1: that one little nugget. Of course, BJ took it and
Speaker 1: ran with it became I think the episodes called Boys
Speaker 1: and Girls. Is that what it's called now I'm looking Yes,
Speaker 1: boys and Girls is the fifte episode of the second season.
Speaker 1: So that was Jenna and I pitching that, you know,
Speaker 1: are women in the workplace stuff? Interesting? Um, so Dwight
Speaker 1: and Angela are together. What was it like bringing Andy
Speaker 1: played by Ed Helms into that well, that just seemed
Speaker 1: doomed from the start. Yes, I mean, you know, it
Speaker 1: was revenge dating. I always felt bad for Andy. I
Speaker 1: felt bad for Andy from day one. Andy so desperately
Speaker 1: you just wanted someone, you think, anyone, you know, and
Speaker 1: I just I just always felt really badly for him.
Speaker 1: And again, it was that thing like Jim and Pam,
Speaker 1: where they had to have these foils, you know, to
Speaker 1: sort of keep them apart, you know, Dwight and I
Speaker 1: I mean, Dwight did put my cat in the freezer,
Speaker 1: which was really sucky. And then she dates Andy, and
Speaker 1: then he dates and then you know, so we had
Speaker 1: all of these sort of foil relationships. But Ed Helms
Speaker 1: as a person was so fun. He was so fun
Speaker 1: to work with. That was nice to throw that in there.
Speaker 1: At the end. I felt really bad. I felt my character.
Speaker 1: I felt bad for Andy, But it was really you
Speaker 1: were saying, how was it? Having Ed around? Ed is delightful?
Speaker 1: And his trailer was next to mine. He'd played the
Speaker 1: banjo and I'd go over and hang out and he
Speaker 1: was so fun. There's a behind the scenes story for
Speaker 1: you folks. Ed playing the banjo? Um, so are obviously
Speaker 1: are things were happening in our personal lives, and we were, well,
Speaker 1: you got during the writers strike, righty, and you came
Speaker 1: back and you were really pregnant. How was that? Well?
Speaker 1: It was? It was. It was a little tricky because
Speaker 1: I was very early pregnant right as the strike started,
Speaker 1: right as we all went on this kind of odd
Speaker 1: hiatus mid season. But my you couldn't tell my body.
Speaker 1: I didn't really start showing for a bit, and then
Speaker 1: we came back. Was it three months later. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I was completely showing I
Speaker 1: was having a baby. And so I remember us sitting
Speaker 1: around being like, Okay, how do we hide this? How
Speaker 1: do we hide it? Because it wouldn't have made sense
Speaker 1: for my character to all of a sudden be pregnant.
Speaker 1: It maybe would have been different had the series had
Speaker 1: its full run that year. Um, So we had to
Speaker 1: hide it. There was no other way. And I had
Speaker 1: one of the most hilarious conversations with Paul Feig, who
Speaker 1: was directing an episode where Phillis Watson on UM Dwight
Speaker 1: and Angela making out in the office, and I was, oh,
Speaker 1: seven and a half months pregnant, and they were trying
Speaker 1: to have Rain hide my belly with his body as
Speaker 1: we're like making out and and we're supposed to be
Speaker 1: in like stages of mid undress, you know, like Rain
Speaker 1: has a shirt off. So they were like at first,
Speaker 1: they're like, well, what if Angel looked out on her
Speaker 1: force or I stood here, or what if we put
Speaker 1: her here? And it was like, where do you put
Speaker 1: the giant pregnant belly? What do we do that doesn't
Speaker 1: also look really inappropriate? And instead of mildly inappropriate. I
Speaker 1: did not know that story. Wow. So the show also
Speaker 1: sort of rode this wave of technology social media. Talk
Speaker 1: to me about your you were on my Space? Well,
Speaker 1: Jenna got on my Space and then got a few
Speaker 1: of us on it, and we did these MySpace blogs.
Speaker 1: We weren't just convinced, probably for two and a half years,
Speaker 1: that we were going to get canceled, so anyway we
Speaker 1: could try to connect and get the get the word
Speaker 1: out about the show, So we would do these behind
Speaker 1: the scenes blogs and stuff. I actually printed out all
Speaker 1: of them. I have all of mine, and you do.
Speaker 1: I do, and um, it is really funny you you
Speaker 1: really see just your journey even as just a young person. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And some of it is like embarrassing, like the stuff
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh my god, here was the thing
Speaker 1: we had a chocolate fountain. You're like, okay, lady, relax,
Speaker 1: Well you were involved with that. The show. You know
Speaker 1: what we talked about before iTunes becoming big, and then
Speaker 1: we were the first show that did original content for
Speaker 1: the internet NBC dot com. We did webisodes. Of course,
Speaker 1: no one knew what the Hello We episode was. We
Speaker 1: didn't either. They were going to be little vignettes that
Speaker 1: would live on the Internet. And we won an Emmy
Speaker 1: for one The Accountants, The Accountants and a cameo by
Speaker 1: Rain as Dwight cameo by Rain, but he didn't win
Speaker 1: an Emmy. No, he did it. He did it. I
Speaker 1: know jennat so you let Jenna, you can touch mine,
Speaker 1: That's what she said. Um, so this is something that
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know that everybody knows. But when
Speaker 1: the show won an Emmy for Best Comedy Ensemble, you
Speaker 1: would think as the comedy ensemble, we would all get
Speaker 1: an Emmy, but we were not producer credit and only
Speaker 1: the producers get an Emmy. And I think that is
Speaker 1: a bunch of bs so um television and out of me.
Speaker 1: I think everyone should get an Emmy. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: But then as the webisode series, we were nominated Brian
Speaker 1: and Oscar and I for a Daytime Emmy and we
Speaker 1: got it. So Jenna does not have an Emmy because
Speaker 1: the year we won, she was not a producer. Years
Speaker 1: later some folks got producer credit, but we did not
Speaker 1: win again. So I told Jenna our idea that there
Speaker 1: should be The Accountants spin off, and she was like, yes,
Speaker 1: why is that happening? So Bonnie Hammer at NBC dot com,
Speaker 1: if you'd like to see the Accountants spin off, you
Speaker 1: know if we if we're available, we'll make it happen.
Speaker 1: What what do you remember some of your favorite moments?
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see what the Booths reaction of
Speaker 1: that was. Um, some of my favorite moments from the Corner, Brian.
Speaker 1: Every week, every week there was a favorite moment every week.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things that Oscar would do is
Speaker 1: whenever I had lines that I had to say really
Speaker 1: seriously because Angela was always very serious. In the background,
Speaker 1: he would be pretending to add on his adding machine,
Speaker 1: but he only uses knuckles like a caveman like cluk
Speaker 1: cluk cluk, But he did that try to mess with
Speaker 1: me and then you and I there were times that
Speaker 1: there was a scene happening. I could not make eye
Speaker 1: contact with you because if I did, we'd both go.
Speaker 1: I love in the healthcare episode that you full and
Speaker 1: see us break and you do this thing, Brian that
Speaker 1: when someone breaks, it's it's like to deflect from you.
Speaker 1: You call him out. And so so Rain comes out
Speaker 1: and says hot dog fingers and I start laughing. I
Speaker 1: double I kind of double over and start laughing. I
Speaker 1: fully break character and you laugh, but you point at
Speaker 1: me like she did it, and it's in the episode
Speaker 1: they left it in. So every week was great. What
Speaker 1: do you think made our little group of the accounts
Speaker 1: in the corner so special? I think the dynamic. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just always felt like Oscar and I were your
Speaker 1: parents and you were our idiot son who still lived
Speaker 1: at home. I mean, I just the three of as,
Speaker 1: we're just so in sync. From the very beginning, I
Speaker 1: view it the three of us there as sort of
Speaker 1: this perfect comedy triangle. Right. You've got the stern one
Speaker 1: who's got to be in control, You've got the slower
Speaker 1: one who kind of likes to get under the skin
Speaker 1: of the one who likes to be in control. And
Speaker 1: then you have to put upon one Oscar and you
Speaker 1: have this, but he has to also be the referee totally.
Speaker 1: He's the referee in between you and I. But also
Speaker 1: then the alliances keep shifting. It's Kevin and Oscar against
Speaker 1: Angela whenever they want to play. It's Angela and Oscar
Speaker 1: against Kevin whenever they actually have to get things done.
Speaker 1: You know, is it ever Angela and Kevin. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think so. Well. Actually, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite pictures that I have is a picture.
Speaker 1: It's a selfie that we took in a car and
Speaker 1: we were filming the episode at your house with the
Speaker 1: creepy portrait of Angela. Yes, because he's mean to you.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you come up, you stand up for me.
Speaker 1: Kevin stands up for you. Oh that's really sweet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what. It's Kevin and Angela versus Oscar when
Speaker 1: Angela finds out Oscar is sleeping with her husband. Yes,
Speaker 1: but Kevin knew, but Ken knew. Kevin knew, but he
Speaker 1: was more just happy that he kept a secret. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was so proud of himself. Well. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite running bits that we had, and I know you
Speaker 1: know this, was that we would say, first of all,
Speaker 1: whenever we had the smallest scene, you would think it
Speaker 1: was gonna like we were going to get an Oscar
Speaker 1: or something like that. That sounds serious. We took it
Speaker 1: and there were times I would turn to you guys,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, guys, it's not our show. It's
Speaker 1: not our show. Today is not about us. It's not
Speaker 1: our show. But one of my favorite things. As Oscar said, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have a spin off on Telemundo and it
Speaker 1: would be Oscar and Hello Caban that. Oh gosh, I
Speaker 1: think that no one thought that we were funnier than
Speaker 1: we did over an accounting. Yeah, well just all of
Speaker 1: us over there. I just referred to um, I would
Speaker 1: injure you a lot. Okay, I have to say one
Speaker 1: thing about that. Creed just came on Jenna Nice podcast
Speaker 1: Office Ladies and we're talking about Halloween, and then he
Speaker 1: referenced another another episode and he goes and that's when
Speaker 1: Brian like like body checked you, Angela and you went flying.
Speaker 1: He was like he was always doing that. That was hilarious.
Speaker 1: Creed thought it was funny. That that's good. It cracked
Speaker 1: me up. I always just had the idea that Kevin
Speaker 1: was not aware of the size of his body and
Speaker 1: so he wouldn't think that he would, you know, potentially
Speaker 1: injure a smaller person walking by or anyone, because it
Speaker 1: would make me laugh so hard just nudging you and
Speaker 1: having you go flying one time into the well. I
Speaker 1: think I hurt you that one time into the bushes.
Speaker 1: The bushes when there was an actual physical imprint of
Speaker 1: my body in the bushes and I got peeled out.
Speaker 1: That was that wasn't a good my, my. And then
Speaker 1: there was one time you you checked me into the
Speaker 1: blinds in the conference room that I didn't think John
Speaker 1: was going to be able to recover from. But my
Speaker 1: personal favorite was one of the first times it happened.
Speaker 1: It was purely by accident, and you had to walk
Speaker 1: around behind me. They gave you the action at the
Speaker 1: top of the scene accounting. You were to walk behind
Speaker 1: me to the file cabinets behind me, and I'm standing
Speaker 1: at my desk and I had a line where I
Speaker 1: had to say, Oscar, did you do the payroll? And
Speaker 1: when Brian walked by, by accident, you bumped into me
Speaker 1: and I you you pump into me and I went
Speaker 1: flying and I said, Oscar, but I was midsing and
Speaker 1: so I said, Oscar, did you the and I didn't
Speaker 1: you hit me? I went up on payroll like like that,
Speaker 1: and you could not could not get back from that.
Speaker 1: You started laughing so hard. O god, And that was
Speaker 1: the beginning of that, the beginning. Yeah, um, who is
Speaker 1: your favorite guest star we ever had? Oh gosh, we
Speaker 1: had so many good ones. I mean I have favorites
Speaker 1: for different reasons, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: a dressed Elba he was just like so cool. I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe if I hang out with him, I'll
Speaker 1: be cool. Uh and then um, I loved Oh wait
Speaker 1: are you good? But you look you three? Brian laughed
Speaker 1: and throw his head back and his headphones came head
Speaker 1: fans went flying off. That was funny. Alright, um, did
Speaker 1: you say head fans, head fans, welcome to the podcast world.
Speaker 1: Shut it. That's Brian's favorite thing. By the way, when
Speaker 1: I would give him hard time, he'd go shut it. Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I loved it dress because he just was cool.
Speaker 1: I mean I talked to Cathy Bates about r VS
Speaker 1: and traveling around America and RV and I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: really cool. Um. James Spader though one of my all
Speaker 1: time favorites because, like Creed, he just would say things
Speaker 1: and would be like, wait, is that he has lived
Speaker 1: a life and and I'll never forget. We had hair
Speaker 1: and makeup side by side, Like we'd get touch ups
Speaker 1: at lunch side by side. So I'd be sitting in
Speaker 1: a chair next him and I was talking to Kenneth Paul,
Speaker 1: who did my makeup about the fact that my daughter
Speaker 1: liked to sleep in bed with me, and that I
Speaker 1: felt bad. And you know, I knew she was getting older.
Speaker 1: She was like four years old, and I knew I
Speaker 1: shouldn't let her crawl in a bed and sleep with
Speaker 1: me in the night, but she's so snugly, and and
Speaker 1: I just thought I was talking to Kenneth Paul because
Speaker 1: when James Spader would come in to get his makeup done,
Speaker 1: it looked like he went into a trance, like asleep,
Speaker 1: like some meditative trance. He looked asleep and he sat up,
Speaker 1: because at this time in my life I was a
Speaker 1: single mom. He sat up and he looked at me,
Speaker 1: and he goes, Angela, get that baby out of your
Speaker 1: bed if you ever want a man in there. I
Speaker 1: was like, what, You're alive and you're talking, And I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, James, I guess, okay, huh what
Speaker 1: what so James James being there? Now? What? Um? When
Speaker 1: did you find out Steve was leaving? And how did
Speaker 1: you feel did you feel the show could keep going?
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't remember the exact moment. I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like I was with everybody somewhere, maybe they
Speaker 1: announced it at a table read. I know there were
Speaker 1: some people who were privy before some of the rest
Speaker 1: of us, but I kind of like Steve talked to
Speaker 1: us on that one day and gave us the heads
Speaker 1: up before the announcement because he's just a class act
Speaker 1: like that. And I just remember thinking, well, God, I
Speaker 1: felt like we had such a deep bench. You know, Bryan,
Speaker 1: that's a basketball term. I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: basketball well. In a basketball game, you have your starters,
Speaker 1: but you want a really solid second string, right, So
Speaker 1: you want a deep bench they call it because in
Speaker 1: basketball you all sit on a bench. Now, I felt like,
Speaker 1: you're welcome, Bryan. Thank you for explaining that to me. Brian,
Speaker 1: who should, by the way, you have a spin off
Speaker 1: where he just has famous athletes coming here and talk
Speaker 1: to him because the guy knows everybody. I'll never this
Speaker 1: is like me getting off topic. But we were at
Speaker 1: like a fancy kind of restaurant bar place, and Brian
Speaker 1: was like, my friend's going to meet us here, Aaron,
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, great, I meet Aaron. I'm like, Aaron,
Speaker 1: what do you do? How are things? He's like, good,
Speaker 1: I'm I play football. I was like, oh, that's fun,
Speaker 1: Like what team are you playing on? He's like, I
Speaker 1: played for Green Bay and I was like that is
Speaker 1: so cool. Well good for you. And then I tell
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. I'm like, so I met this guy Aaron.
Speaker 1: He's a quarterback for like, I don't know, something with
Speaker 1: a bay, like a Seattle maybe, And he's like, what
Speaker 1: did you meet aarn Rogers? Anyway, I digress. Brian needs
Speaker 1: to have also famous athletes show, so make that happen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just remember thinking we had a deep bench,
Speaker 1: and I thought that I was really hopeful that we
Speaker 1: could continue. I was scared, and I was sad. I
Speaker 1: was sad, and I was scared because I felt like
Speaker 1: Steve was such our anchor, but I never doubted what
Speaker 1: the rest of us could do. And I was also excited.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a complex range of emotions because
Speaker 1: I was excited to see how it would blow out
Speaker 1: the world and what other sort of cool things might
Speaker 1: come from it, and the ways we might see other
Speaker 1: characters take on new responsibility. Absolutely, I feel like it
Speaker 1: was more emotional for me when he left than when
Speaker 1: the end of the show happened. I don't know why. Well,
Speaker 1: he was like our you know, sort of the father
Speaker 1: figure of our show, and it was really hard to
Speaker 1: imagine walking on set without him. I actually went back
Speaker 1: and I found an email that I wrote him, um,
Speaker 1: a few days into our first episode back without him,
Speaker 1: and I was like, dear Steve, like in the email, like,
Speaker 1: it was really weird to walk on set today and
Speaker 1: not see you. I miss our talks about our weekend
Speaker 1: because he would walk over and talk to us about
Speaker 1: his weekend, to Jenna and I about what he got
Speaker 1: at Target, you know, And I was like, I just
Speaker 1: really miss you. And I sent him a picture and
Speaker 1: and we email like that from time to time. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just remember really missing him his presence.
Speaker 1: He's also just brilliant. He's brilliant. We all got the
Speaker 1: best ever comedy like on site training from just being
Speaker 1: in scenes with him and watching him, because not only
Speaker 1: can he just make a character just be hilarious, but
Speaker 1: then in a second he and flip it and rip
Speaker 1: your heart out. Mm hmm. For the finale, our finale,
Speaker 1: the finale of the show, how are you leading into that?
Speaker 1: The end? I was emotional. I was emotional. I I
Speaker 1: had heard that Greg really wanted Steve to make a
Speaker 1: cameo in the finale, and Steve was like, well, I
Speaker 1: just feel like my characters wrapped up, Like why would
Speaker 1: Michael come back? And Greg was like, is there a
Speaker 1: scenario where Michael would come back to dunder Mifflin And
Speaker 1: Steve said, well, if Dwight and Nangela got married, Michael
Speaker 1: would come to their wedding. But they Greg really really
Speaker 1: really didn't want the press to find out, and things
Speaker 1: have a way of leaking. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that coming come like back and forth on a set,
Speaker 1: and he really wanted it locked up just for the fans.
Speaker 1: He wanted that surprise. We've talked about this before. Um,
Speaker 1: but what do you think about the idea of a
Speaker 1: reunion show? Well, obviously, you don't ever want to mess
Speaker 1: with what is such a beautiful thing, right, Those seasons
Speaker 1: are beautiful and they mean a lot to people, and
Speaker 1: you you would never want to open them back up
Speaker 1: and not do them justice. Um. But when I think
Speaker 1: of like a reunion movie, like one one moment, one
Speaker 1: glimpse to see where these people are, I think part
Speaker 1: of the reason why I love the idea is because
Speaker 1: I miss these characters. Not only do I miss my
Speaker 1: friends and to be in one room with all of them,
Speaker 1: Like the the brunch that Greg hosted at his house
Speaker 1: and a bunch of us were able to attend. Phillis
Speaker 1: walked in the door, and when I saw her, I
Speaker 1: burst into tears. I hadn't been in the same room
Speaker 1: with Phillis in a long time, just because of life.
Speaker 1: We stay in touch, you know, but it's different getting
Speaker 1: to all sit around a table together. And so I
Speaker 1: kind of get emotional when I think about it, because
Speaker 1: you know, life is short, and I just think I'd
Speaker 1: love to know where these characters are, and I'd love
Speaker 1: to sit around a table with those people I love. Again,
Speaker 1: why do you think the show has become more popular
Speaker 1: now than it was when it air? What is it?
Speaker 1: What is it that that attracts people to it? Well, Brian,
Speaker 1: we can ask this a lot, right, I Mean, we
Speaker 1: both sort of have our things, our theories on it,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, undeniably, it's the way that we
Speaker 1: consume media. The fact that it can just be on
Speaker 1: anytime you want. You don't have to wait for Thursday
Speaker 1: night at eight o'clock. It's always there, It's always available.
Speaker 1: But I also think on the other layer, is it
Speaker 1: is comfort. It is comfort. You turn it on and
Speaker 1: you know where everyone's going to be, you know where
Speaker 1: Pam is that reception, you know, accounting, Those people become
Speaker 1: like your extend family and you're just sort of checking
Speaker 1: in with them. And I have people tell me all
Speaker 1: the time, as I know you do as well. Let's
Speaker 1: say that they put it on at the end of
Speaker 1: a long day or a bad day, or maybe something
Speaker 1: they're anxious about. They put it on in it it's
Speaker 1: just comfort. Yeah, what are you the most proud of?
Speaker 1: I guess it's legacy. I'm so proud of the show.
Speaker 1: And I'm so proud that it keeps finding an audience
Speaker 1: because we all thought it had the staying power, but
Speaker 1: to see that affirmed in millions of people that still
Speaker 1: watch it, I'm really proud of that we made something
Speaker 1: that will last. Right. It's crazy to me the attachment
Speaker 1: that eleven, twelve year old, thirteen year old you know,
Speaker 1: high school kids have to that show. Now, what is it?
Speaker 1: Is it? The characters, the relationships. It's also funny. It's
Speaker 1: also really really freaking funny. Like I was watching it
Speaker 1: and like I'm like, it's funny, and there's stuff out
Speaker 1: there that I ain't so funny. And it's funny. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, my daughter is eleven and she had never
Speaker 1: seen the show. She grew up on the set she
Speaker 1: was born. Season five was there every day. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a little kind of baby nursery
Speaker 1: trailer next right there. But um, you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: She came back to school this year, she's in fifth grade,
Speaker 1: and she said, Mom, everyone in my class watched The
Speaker 1: Office over the summer. Everyone I see a kid with
Speaker 1: a dunder Mifflin shirt. These are kids I've known since
Speaker 1: kindergarten and now they're like seeing me and they're like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about. You've been over
Speaker 1: my house so many times. I make you snacks. But
Speaker 1: she was like, can I watch it now? I was like, okay, alright, fine,
Speaker 1: I think there's some content that might not be appropriate,
Speaker 1: but well, muscle through it together. But um, and she's
Speaker 1: into it. And my my stepsons are into it. They're
Speaker 1: eleven and nine. They love it. My son Jack, who's eleven,
Speaker 1: loves it so much that he's now he's watching it
Speaker 1: and now he listens to the podcast. He'll listen to
Speaker 1: this one too, so like he's he loves itable. It's unbelievable,
Speaker 1: and they I feel like they kind of see me
Speaker 1: in a different way now, Like my own kids are like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: you did that. I'm like, yes, what do you guys
Speaker 1: think I do when I leave here? Did something? Mom?
Speaker 1: You did something other than give me some goldfish and
Speaker 1: some pretzels? Um? All right, So you're doing a podcast now,
Speaker 1: office Ladies? Tell me about it? Um? Yes, Brian, I
Speaker 1: am doing a podcast called Office Ladies. It is with
Speaker 1: my bff, Jenna Fisher. You know, she and I became
Speaker 1: best friends on set and I talked. We talked every
Speaker 1: single day and we have for years. I mean Rain
Speaker 1: used to say he would turn to us and say,
Speaker 1: what more could you have to say to each other?
Speaker 1: But she's just my best friend. I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't even know how to like really relate to life
Speaker 1: until I bounce it off of her. And my husband
Speaker 1: is not a big talker, so he's like, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I probably should you know, talk to jenn about it.
Speaker 1: He's like, yes, do please because he thinks I yeah.
Speaker 1: He's like, filter it through and then he goes I
Speaker 1: get the condensed version where you're like more rational, you've
Speaker 1: bounced it through your BFF filter. Um. But Jenna and
Speaker 1: I were trying to like think about, well, what can
Speaker 1: we do together? And one of the big things for
Speaker 1: us is that we wanted to work in l A. Well,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get an acting job in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles these days, folks. Most of them are filmed in Vancouver, Atlanta.
Speaker 1: And we didn't want to be away from our families.
Speaker 1: And I love being the architect in my own time,
Speaker 1: and I've never really been able to do that. And
Speaker 1: we get to hang out and talk about one of
Speaker 1: our favorite chapter of our life. So it's just a rewatch,
Speaker 1: and it's it's our love for the show. It's just
Speaker 1: it's just a little bit of everything awesome. Um. All right,
Speaker 1: Can you do one last thing for me, just so
Speaker 1: we can identify you? Um for people listening, can you
Speaker 1: say your name and your role on the Office. My
Speaker 1: name is Angela Kinsey and I played Angela Martin. Should
Speaker 1: I say Angela Martin? Shrut? I don't think so, do
Speaker 1: you know? Why? Can I tell you? I always say
Speaker 1: Angela Martin And I've had people right in and say
Speaker 1: why don't you say, Angela Martin shrewt. So I was like, okay, fine.
Speaker 1: So then one time I wouldn't you just be Angela's shrewd? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So then one time I wrote and I said, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm Angela shrewt. And then I had someone
Speaker 1: right to me and say thanks for ruining the series.
Speaker 1: I'm like, buddy, what is the statute here? Six years
Speaker 1: is not a spoiler alert? Yeah? At what point? So
Speaker 1: now I just say, Angela Martin, dude, thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Did I do? Okay, You're so great. I told you
Speaker 1: she was great. I mean I told her that she
Speaker 1: was great. Now I'm telling you, so both you and
Speaker 1: her know that she is great. All Right, that's it.
Speaker 1: Huge thanks to Angela for sitting down with me. Huge
Speaker 1: thanks to you or listen thing. I hope you enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: If you didn't, let's blame Angela, all right, just write
Speaker 1: to her about it, complain away. I will not take
Speaker 1: any blame for Angela. It's a policy I have. It's
Speaker 1: strictly enforced. So blame her. Have a great week, everybody.
Speaker 1: I will see you next time for even more office
Speaker 1: deep dive. The office deep Dive is hosted and executive
Speaker 1: produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer, Lang Lee.
Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer, our associate producer is
Speaker 1: Emily Carr, and our assistant editor is Diego Tapia. My
Speaker 1: main man in the booth is Alec Moore. Our theme
Speaker 1: song Bubble and Squeak, performed by my great friend Creed Bratton,
Speaker 1: and the episode was mixed by Seth o'landski. Maybe there
Speaker 1: were a few more who were in. I think just
Speaker 1: Roy and you and Leslie, David Baker, you know, not
Speaker 1: Stanley Stanley. But it's weird to say you and right, right, right,
Speaker 1: because you are not Kevin right, Whereas it's funny you're
Speaker 1: exactly like your character in the show. So that's the
Speaker 1: thing that Bryan loves to do that you guys love
Speaker 1: that bit.