1 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to crime around up, y'all. Josh is gonna earn 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: his money today. I'm gonna force him to break down 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: a case. Let me just tell y'all something. If I 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: told y'all murder for hire, messy, divorce, Harvard, FBI sting 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: of jailhouse informants, you might think I'm talking about four 6 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: or five different cases. Baby one case. But before we 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: get there, we got to mention our girl, Cardi b. 8 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: New fan over here, big fan. 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she needs to come to pack and teach 10 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 3: how to testify. 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: Teach authenticity, teach teach just talent, just truth telling. 12 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: And said she was fat. No I didn't. I called 13 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: her a bitch. 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: Boom. 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: There's a comedian by the name of Josh Johnson that 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 2: is just up and coming. He's fantastic on Daily Show, 17 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: killing it on the Internet. He's an African American young man, 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: and he had this great line. He's like, I don't 19 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: think that plaintiffs lawyer had ever met an African American 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: before in his entire life. 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: And he got introdu. 22 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: Sorious applause and here, man, there's your jury. There's your jury, right, jury. 23 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: If you are that out of touch that you're going 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: to talk to a black woman about her wig and 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 2: not come aunt, sir. 26 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: Sir, yesterday your hair was black with bangs. Today it's blonde. 27 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, you don't have to be 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: an African American woman any woman. That's how you're coming 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: at her. 30 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: It was an example of just complete tone deafness when 31 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: it comes to the position and the roles that people 32 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: have in their lives. This woman has sold millions of 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: album You may not like her particular brand of beats, 34 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: but she is an important entertainer with amazing influence. You 35 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: could at least respect her to the basic degree of 36 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: a normal person. It looked to me like he was 37 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: treating her almost like a cleaning part like it. It 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: just it was bad to be feeling sour. 39 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: And she's a single mom taking care of a bunch 40 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 3: of people. 41 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: Oh she's she is a cottage industry. You gotta understand 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: there are dozens, if not over one hundred people that 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: directly live because of her efforts. Being an entertainer a 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: job that yeah, sure it looks really fun and you 45 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: get paid really well, but come on, no one works 46 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: harder than some of these touring artists. It is a 47 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: grind it is a grind upon grind. 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Please tell me there's gonna be a new song car 49 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: to b I'm free, ain't gonna get no money from me. 50 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: I think that just like Young Thug, this is going 51 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: to be an additional source for music and inspiration because 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: look at how many cool cultural things happened with this 53 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: CARDI B case that we've got per the standard idea 54 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: of personal injury where everybody in America loves to think 55 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: about how we can just go and sue people left 56 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: and right, and it's just easy. You just get up 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: there and have a lawyer go out there, try it 58 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: out some words, and you get some big money. You 59 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: get maybe twenty four million dollars for a couple centimeter cut. No, No, 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: that twenty four million dollars was an offensive figure, and 61 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: that's coming from me, a greedy personal injury lawyer who 62 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: has made many slightly unsubstantiated demands for compensation. There is 63 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: nothing wrong with a little bit of puffery, with a 64 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: little bit of aggressive negotiation, But to go to trial 65 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: with the theory from the public being twenty four million 66 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: dollars for this assault, it set a tone for the coverage, 67 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: for the way that the community interacts with the justice system, 68 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: and how unfortunately the Planeffs bar is viewed by millions 69 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: of people who walked away after just even hearing of 70 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: this debacle, this shakedown, this extortion. 71 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: Twenty four million is putrid. 72 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: And then you've seen how hard we fight for ten 73 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: thousand dollars for twenty thousand dollars for people that are 74 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: legitimately injured because different states have different rules, and I'm 75 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: just going to say that that's California, it'sure ain't Georgia. 76 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: I about can guarantee you that case never would have 77 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: seen the light of a courthouse in Georgia because it 78 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: would have been stopped well before. And I hope that 79 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: there are remedies in California that I happen to know 80 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: one of Carti's lawyers that I'm pretty certain they're going 81 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: to pursue. And I won't be surprised if there's an 82 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 2: outrageous attorney's feet a war of attorney's fee award at 83 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: some point during this process, and I hope that plane 84 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: Off's lawyer has to bear it, because that's that's how 85 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: we cut down on frivolous lawsuits. Because that now, that 86 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 2: was a frivolous lawsuit. 87 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: Every famous and rich person should be wearing her shirt 88 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: today when she said it, if this happens again, if 89 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: somebody brings some frivolous suit to my door, I will 90 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: counter sue. 91 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: She's not backing down you. And I said it the 92 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: other day. She came to play and that attorney at 93 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: every turn she shot him down. 94 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: Oh it was awful to see him try to pursue 95 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: some line of this that and just get stopped. And 96 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: I think she's a great example of, like we were 97 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: talking earlier, how witnesses really can be authentic, influential and 98 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: trusted by dr No one thought Carti's lying about this, 99 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: and she was getting accused of this security guard. Basically, 100 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: it's similar but different from a criminal case. But you 101 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: saw the plainness of the response. Her ability to cut 102 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: through the wordiness of the law and just answer was admirable. 103 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: I wish more clients would do that. I wish more 104 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: clients had the confidence that she had. She was just 105 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: up there answering questions. She wasn't afraid of none of that. 106 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: She may have been anxious, she may have been concerned, 107 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: but there was no fear coming from Cardi b about 108 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: having to go up and answer these questions and that 109 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: you can't beat it in front of a jury when 110 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: you have someone. 111 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: Like that, and Josh, she was relatable when she started 112 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: talking as a mama. I missed my child's first day 113 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: of school. 114 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you had me, you had me, 115 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: stuff that everybody goes. Yep, totally relatable. She may make 116 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: tons of money, she may live this crazy lifestyle, she's 117 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: still a mama. 118 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: She can't get that day back. 119 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: Yep, she can't get that day back. I loved I 120 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: loved some of her answers of how play. I was 121 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: there for my baby. I was there to get my 122 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: kitty checked out, like it couldn't have gone better for her. 123 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: And I think it was a good cultural moment, actually 124 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: a positive cultural moment from the justice system, because we 125 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: see that there are predator people going after celebrities, other 126 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: wealthy people. This also includes big corporations, this also includes 127 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: nonprofit organizations. Anybody where there's a deep pocket, there's going 128 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: to be some individual that will be able to find 129 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: a lawyer to bring a claim. And unfortunately, this was 130 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: a terrible example of a claim and it's a good 131 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: example of what shouldn't happen. So a fascinating case. I'm 132 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: glad everybody got to watch it and covered it. I 133 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: always enjoy when we get into the civil universe. 134 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: She picked up. 135 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: Lots of fans. Let's move on to the murder for 136 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: higher plot. Donna Adelson. 137 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: Seriously, I mean, it's like how many twists and turns 138 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: you almost need a flow chart. 139 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: I think this is trial four, but it might just 140 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: be trial three, And of course everybody is waiting for 141 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: the other shoe to drop on when. 142 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: Okay, now, if y'all have been somewhere other than Earth, 143 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: here's what's going on. 144 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: There's a woman, Donna Adelson. 145 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: She has a son named Charlie that's already been convicted 146 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: of being part of a murder for hire by a 147 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: family member that everybody hated named Dan Markle. So there's 148 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: several people that have already been convicted. Well, mama's on 149 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: trial now, Donna, and everybody's oh, you know, is Charlie 150 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: gonna save her? Is her daughter gonna turn own her? 151 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: Is she gonna testify? What all has been happening? So 152 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: I am gonna sit back and I am going to 153 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: enjoy a little wine while Josh starts talking because he 154 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: can break this down better than anybody. And when I 155 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: tell you there's a lot, there's a lot. 156 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: Today was ten days of trial in one because what 157 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: Max's talking about is this case. Oh, it is a 158 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: it's a romance thriller, it's a murder, it's a it's 159 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: it's practically a mob move like it has. We've got 160 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 2: Donna who's on trial right now, and she's the mama, 161 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: the matriarch. She's married to poor Harvey, aged eighty one. 162 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: And as much as I believe he absolutely knew and 163 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: could be proven guilty of several crimes, I pray that 164 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: they just leave little old Harvey alone because he's gone 165 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: through so much he never could have escaped the evil 166 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: web that I feel Donna is at the absolute center of. 167 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: And it all relates to her daughter, Wendy, and Wendy's 168 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: choice of husband being from all reports, an absolute stellar 169 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: guy by the name of Dan Markle, who is brilliant, 170 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: who is successful, who has a great family, who has 171 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: a firm faith practice and life, who is a provider, 172 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: who just has fans because he's good people, works hard. 173 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: And it turns out that the Adelson family, led by 174 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: Donna and certainly involving Wendy. The White weren't big fans 175 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 2: of the way Dan was living his life, and so 176 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: there was going to be this divorce, and depending on 177 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: who you listen to, it was acrimonious, to say the least. Now, 178 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: today's interesting expert witness was a divorce lawyer for Wendy 179 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: Adelson who had handled thousands of divorces and tried to 180 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: convince it you're that no, this was really model divorce. 181 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: They treated each other great. It was low impact and 182 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: this was not torturous and drawn out and horrible and 183 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: mainly one of the people died afterwards when he was 184 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: murdered by the family of his ex But we'll get 185 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: there in a minute. The general story is that a 186 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 2: hit person was acquired by the Adelson family. That hit 187 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: person then worked with other individuals, including this Katherine macn 188 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 2: ban Wah. There's a whole cast of folks. But the 189 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: hit happened. Dan Markle was murdered mercilessly, brutally. It was off. 190 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: This is someone who has everything to live for and 191 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: his choice of spouse led to his murder, with the 192 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 2: big question being how, who, what, why, and who was 193 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: really behind it? Notice Wendy the wife. She still hasn't 194 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: been arrested or put on trial. Who has been well, 195 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: the hit team, they were picked up. And there's this 196 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: outrageous video of the bump where literally undercover agents posing 197 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: as Latin Kings are on video talking with Donna Aedelson 198 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: trying to give her information, and Donna, who has been 199 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: trying to avoid it for obvious purposes, literally is acknowledging 200 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: and keeping notes. And one of the key pieces of 201 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: evidence is her day planner. Where in the day planner 202 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: on and around the dates of the murder. Oh look, 203 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: there's Dan Markle's vehicle and I d and his license 204 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: plate in a full description, because you know that just 205 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: is in your mother in law's planner for time when 206 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: you're about to get murdered by Latin King hit team. 207 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: It's crazy, it's crazy. 208 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: So then we get to today, and this case has 209 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: been beautifully presented by the state attorneys in Florida. This 210 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: is up in Tallahassee, this is not in the South 211 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: part of the state, Madam prosecutor, And I regret that 212 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: I forget her name right now. She has been stellar, 213 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: and I really mean that with her presentation, with her 214 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: connection with the jury and her plainness in calling out 215 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: the lies and the garbage as soon as they're dumped 216 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: out in court. And we have an amazing judge. Judge 217 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: Everett is this very large, very quiet African American man 218 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 2: who speaks with supreme and ultimate authority in that that 219 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: is his courtroom. He runs it. He's going to follow 220 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: the law, make sure everything's done right. There ain't going 221 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: to be no appeals based on any actions he takes 222 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: during this trial. But he's never run into somebody like 223 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: Donna Adelson and the whole issue. Today, after the presentation 224 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: of the States case, and this case was scheduled to 225 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 2: be three weeks long, we're getting deep into it. The 226 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: defense cases up and is Donna gonna testify? Now? Everybody 227 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: wants to ask Donna questions. And if you pay attention 228 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: to Donna for two minutes, you know she loves to talk. 229 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: She loves it. We have listened to hours of the 230 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: most mundane, pointless chatter between Donna, the over bearing helicopter 231 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: mom legendary level of helicopter mommy. She's talking about this 232 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: stuff on recorded phone lines with everybody in the family 233 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: and they're playing like they've read all the Mario Puzo's 234 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: Great Mob books. They are playing like they've seen all 235 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: the great crime movies out there, and they're basically trying 236 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: to emulate that, which, as any member of law enforcement 237 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: will tell you, is dumb. They've all seen those movies too. 238 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: This ain't the Sopranis and Donna today. After all this 239 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: time instructored her poor suffering, very highly paid private lawyers. 240 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: These are not poor people. I'd be willing to bet 241 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: the fees are through the roof, and these are professional 242 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: criminal defense lawyers. They couldn't figure out whether she was 243 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: going to testify or not. They actually argued to the judge, Judge, 244 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: having sat through all this evidence, we haven't had time 245 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: to discuss it and review it with our client enough 246 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: for her to determine whether she wants to testify or not. Now, 247 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you creative. I appreciate the gumption and the 248 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: zealous representation of the client, but Judge shut that down 249 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: in about two seconds, said, she is in the same 250 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: position as anybody else, any other defendant who is gone 251 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: through trial and listened to all this evidence, and now 252 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: is the time where she decides whether she is going 253 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: to testify or if she is going to remain silent, 254 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: and he handled it like a pro gave her enough 255 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: wiggle room that she cannot effectively complain that any rights 256 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: were suspended or it was very well handled by the 257 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: judge who made sure that they were given and afforded 258 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: all of the opportunities necessary, but were not provided too much. 259 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: And we're certainly held within available bounds because this trial's 260 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: got to keep going. The defense eventually did rest, and 261 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: then so tomorrow we're going to have closing arguments, which 262 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: are going to be scorchers. I think the state is 263 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: going to swing hard. I think they're going to bring 264 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: some real righteous indignation in talking about the center of 265 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: this family web that resulted in the horrific murder of 266 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: a really wonderful gentleman, a medical practitioner who served as 267 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: patients and was a great member of his community, that 268 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: did not deserve to be murdered by hitman. And I 269 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: think they're gonna bring that thunder. I don't know how 270 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: the defense is gonna respond. The defense made promises about 271 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: hearing from Donald Adelson in evidence, they did not present much, 272 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: and in fact, they struggled with the few defense witnesses 273 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: that they did bring up the lawyer for Wendy Adelson. 274 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: The divorce lawyer today ended up stumbling as the prosecution 275 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: used a wonderful analogy about how divorce is like a 276 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: garbage bag. What is horrifying to you as you throw 277 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: it out, the stinkiest garbage bag of all time is 278 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: nothing to the garbage man. This is the garbage man. 279 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: He sees that stuff all the time. And that was 280 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: just what this lawyer was doing. This is a lawyer 281 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: who started with how many thousands of divorces they'd handled, 282 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: and in their estimation, this was not a contentious or 283 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: acrimonious divorce, and these people treat each other great. The 284 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: state came out and viscerally showed that this witness didn't 285 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: have the same perspective as anybody else because of how 286 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: many divorces she'd done, and how a horrifying divorce to 287 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: anybody else might really not be that much of a 288 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: hiccup to her because she was that overexposed. A really 289 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: great job by the state's attorney. And we'll see what 290 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: these closings look like. But I bet my bottom dollar 291 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: we have a verdict by Friday. 292 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: Night, ten days of trial. In one you said it perfect. 293 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: And we didn't even get into the fact that twice 294 00:18:54,600 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: during this trial. Twice during this trial a defense dense 295 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 2: witness who had been counseled and spoken to by the 296 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: defense team ended up in the courtroom during testimony prior 297 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: to their testimony. Now, just a blatant violation of the 298 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: rule of sequestration. Could not be more clear. You ain't 299 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: allowed to be You're just not. It's a real simple rule. 300 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: If you're going to testify, you ain't allowed to be 301 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: in the room. There you go, it's that easy. You 302 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: ain't allowed to watch the trial. To have it happen 303 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: once is a bad look for the team whose witness 304 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: it was. And I've seen it happen. I've seen it inadvertent. 305 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: I've seen it where I could imagine it was intentional, 306 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: and judges get pretty bent out of shape because, man, 307 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: don't violate the dumb easy rules. Don't waste the court's 308 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: time with that. For it to happen twice, judge was 309 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: kind of lit up about it. State asked for the 310 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: appropriate remedy, which is generally exclusion of that witness because 311 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: they've been tampered with. Defense did make a very good objection, 312 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: and the judge came back and then my learning moment 313 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: for the day was, if an expert witness in Florida, 314 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: and now this is expert witness not lay witnesses. If 315 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: an expert witness in Florida watch, it violates the rule 316 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 2: of sequestration. Watches the trial that does not per se 317 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: violate the rule of sequestration unless it can be shown 318 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: that the opinion of that expert witness changed due to 319 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: the testimony. Now, if that can be shown, then the 320 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: testimony and the witness shall be strucken. That's an appropriate 321 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: remedy by the court. But the judge made the right 322 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: call allowed the testimony, and bluntly, I think it was 323 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: a smart call because it forecloses yet another appellate possibility 324 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: that I believe Don Adelson is trying everything to break 325 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: the case. And sometimes, and we've talked about this, the 326 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: defense isn't honest. The defense's zealousness isn't attached in a 327 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: and targeted towards the facts, but more towards the process. 328 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: And if you have a horrific factual case and have 329 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 2: a focus on the process, there are tactics and strategies 330 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: which are made to preserve appellate issues, to expose problems 331 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: in our criminal defense process and the local how courts 332 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: run locally, because sometimes that's the only way you're ever 333 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: going to be able to escape what's coming to you. 334 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens. I expect a conviction. I 335 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: expect a lot of money to be spent on appeals, 336 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: but I see a pretty clean case so far. 337 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to be landed in Colorado shortly. And let 338 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: me just tell you, Marcia Clark, never met her, can't 339 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: wait to meet her. We got John Walsh, Nancy Grace, 340 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: Chris Hansen, Brian Buckmeyer, Josh Mikeelwitz, Vinnie Politan. 341 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 2: It's everybody. If everybody, it is going to be a 342 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: huge good time. And I know some of the subjects. 343 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: Cheryl's shared with me a couple of the subjects. Y'all 344 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: are in for a treat with the personal connections and 345 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: stories from these people involved in the true crime universe. 346 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: And one of the great things about true crime is 347 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: how accessible and real all these people are. I've been 348 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: blessed to represent and work with a bunch of celebrities. 349 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: These aren't jerks, These are. 350 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: Nice, These are gracious and behind and giving people. It 351 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 3: knocks me out. 352 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: Every year, and they genuinely, I'll tell you, they genuinely 353 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: love what's happening to them because these aren't people that 354 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: grew up We're like, I can't wait to be famous. 355 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: I want to go into No, these people something else 356 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: and then the fame found them. And that is so 357 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: someone who experiences the teenious bit it, I understand their 358 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: smiles because it feels so good to be recognized because 359 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: of something you're talking about that's meaningful, important, and hopefully 360 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: is doing something good for somebody, whether it's education, whether 361 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 2: it's advocacy on something like domestic vonts or the crimes 362 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 2: against children, which is a hotter topic right now than 363 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: ever before you talk about Chris Hansen, those cases. If 364 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: you talk about what drives cops wild, it's those cases 365 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: because they know they can run that sting three hundred 366 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: and sixty five days a year and pack the jail. 367 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: That is one of the things that just terrifies me 368 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: as a dad of a girl or of any child. Really, 369 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: the predators are out there. There are more bad people 370 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: out there looking to, if the situation was right, do 371 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: very bad things. 372 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: And technology is such a tool for these people. But 373 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 3: let me tell you, I get to do some thing 374 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 3: super cool. I get to present a case with Barbara Butcher. Honey. 375 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: Now, fill everybody in for who Barbara is for people 376 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: that don't know, not someone whose name is out there 377 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: all the time. But tell us that's true. 378 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: But that's gonna change. Let me tell you something. 379 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: She was a medical death investigator with the New York 380 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: City Medical Examiner's Office. She works with NYPD, the best 381 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: there is. 382 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: So she's doctor Baden. 383 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the goat man. 384 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And she's about the end of this month 385 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: to kick off her own TV show. 386 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: So Barbara Butcher, y'all watch for her. I'm going to 387 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: talk to her. 388 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start promoting things so y'all can see what 389 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 1: she's doing. She is, hands down one of the best 390 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: I've ever worked with ever. 391 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: And what I love is the concentration on the process 392 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: and the behind the scenes that when you just watch 393 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 2: true crime and trials, the trial is the is the surface. 394 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: It's just the skin. It's just what gets shown. The 395 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: work behind it is endless, and that work is with 396 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: the experts because a death investigation when you're when you're 397 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 2: we talked about it with that new case out of 398 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: Kentucky with the blonde lady with the dead baby right now, 399 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 2: and it's a terrible case of a college girl who 400 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: apparently gave birth and left the baby in the house 401 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: and the baby is dead. We've seen this case a 402 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 2: million times in different ways. The emmy came out and 403 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: said that the cause of death is undetermined, which for 404 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: an infant makes you think, because how to infants die, Well, 405 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: there's exposure. If you just don't care for a child 406 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: that is an infant, it will expire because it needs 407 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: constant care. You could also have a still birth or 408 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 2: a failure to thrive child. Those are both things that happen. 409 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: And then on the other end of that coin, if 410 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: someone gives birth to a child and wants to not 411 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: have that situation, they could take aggressive actions against the child. 412 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: That's a totally different book we're talking about now. The 413 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: em he's the one that decides that for the state. 414 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: The state would be the first person to say, I'm 415 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: not a scientist, I am not calling the ball on 416 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: the manner of death, because right now that infant is indeterminate, 417 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: and that's why she's been released. One hundred thousand dollars 418 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 2: bond because it's just concealing the death of an infant 419 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: and I think two other minor associated fellions. There's no 420 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: murder once that emmy comes out. That's the direction and 421 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: the expertise that the state is required to rely on 422 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: to make the charging decisions and whether it's going to 423 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: be a murder case with potentially death penalty attached to it, 424 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: or whether it's going to be a substantially lesser set 425 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: of charges. 426 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: Every time I hear those cases, though, I gotta tell you, 427 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: they're just heartbreaking all the way around. This is not 428 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: somebody that's set out to be a criminal, This is 429 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: not somebody that's set out to harm anybody. 430 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: But something went terribly wrong mentally, physically, both. They're just 431 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 3: hard cases. 432 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: They're ultimately because anybody that has held a child, held 433 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: a newborn, had a child, your body is programmed to 434 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 2: care and not harm and to protect you just you. 435 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 2: You can't do anything but love and protect a baby. 436 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: Something's all terribly wrong. 437 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: With every one of these cases. Something is going on 438 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: with that mom's head. Because the eye idea of a 439 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 2: mom not caring for a baby that has grown inside 440 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: them and is now it's just impossible. So something else 441 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 2: is at playing every one of those cases, and it's 442 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: it's just heartbreak. They're amongst the saddest things that we 443 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: ever deal with. 444 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: Well, y'all and listen, when I get there, I am 445 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: going to represent Crime Round Up by myself this time, 446 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: but the next time, Joshua Schiffer will be their front 447 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: and center, not only at the table but on stage. 448 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: Honey. But y'all know he he cheats on me a lot. 449 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: And I'm a philanderer of the speaking type. He is, he, y'all. 450 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: He'll it's so abusive. 451 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: He'll text me and I'll say, hey, you know nine 452 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: o'clock work for you. No, I'm talking to any Oh 453 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: well what about ten clock? No, I'm talking to Ashley. 454 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, well this time, people. 455 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: Oh, it's not your fault. You can't help it. I mean, 456 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: you can't help it. But I take him back. I 457 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: take him back every week when everyone's available for you. 458 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: But he does have some things lined up. 459 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: I think he's got to be in court to help 460 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: save some pots, going to be on TV and help 461 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: take the folks. But next time everything's off his calendar 462 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: except Crime cont So. 463 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 3: Come by and see me. 464 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell y'all in person how fabulous he is, how 465 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: brilliant he is. And this will be the last time 466 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: y'all don't see I promise you. 467 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 3: But I'm gonna represent Zone seven and we're going to 468 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 3: do a live Zone seven with Ed. We're going to 469 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: talk about wildlife crimes and poaching. You don't want to miss. 470 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: This one because we have a special, special guest that's 471 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: gonna blow you mind, and. 472 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: That wildlife crime is getting bigger and bigger issues because 473 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: more communities are seeing the connections. There's so much with 474 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: mental health when it gets to Anna that it we 475 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: learn more the more we study this stuff. Statistical analysis, 476 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 2: oh absolutely, and you get into some stuff that may 477 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: not you know, it's not the conventional oh A leads 478 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: to be leads to see. But then when you step back, 479 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: when you see the different spokes of the wheel, it 480 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: all connects. It all is coming together, and it's it's 481 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: good investigations. It's the training, and it's why we need 482 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: to dedicate more resources to effective law enforcement training. Training 483 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: that's meaningful, training that is useful, and we've got to 484 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 2: expand the role of what our safekeepers, what our peacekeepers 485 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: do in our lives to ensure society remains safe and 486 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: healthy and productive. 487 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: All right, buddy, well, I'm going to talk to you 488 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: the next few days that I'm gonna let you know 489 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: what's going on. 490 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm so well. 491 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: You don't have to be jealous, Honey, Delta. 492 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I got got to 493 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: get there. I promise everybody I'll be there. There are 494 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: so many incredible people. I hope y'all listeners, y'all are 495 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: going because this and it's it's death. Come on, it's 496 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: it's a fun town, to say the least. You were 497 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: gonna have such a great time. I have got to run. 498 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: I've got this next thing coming up. Love, y'all. 499 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: I told y'all he's just running to another woman. 500 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: For a fact. Guy, you think i'd be skinny? All right, 501 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: you talk to you soon.