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This 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:09.680 is about Angie Bowie, self described architect of lifestyles, whose 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:14.680 wild spirit and radical style inspired the interstellar gender bending 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:21.440 experimentations that would propel her husband to superstardom. This story 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:59.040 is about a girl. The first time she ever saw 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.840 his face, it was in a polaroid on the wall 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.240 of an A and R man from Mercury Records. She 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.280 was screwing at the time. She was hoping they and 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.839 our man might give her a job. She'd met him 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.360 by screwing his boss, and she really needed a job, 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.280 preferably with an American company, because her father had cut 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.200 her off and she was in London with only a 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.560 student visa. Instead, he took her to dinner at the Roundhouse, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.800 where the pretty young man from the Polaroid was on 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:31.000 stage playing guitar. The a and our man was scouting 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.839 David Bowie, as the guitarist called himself, and she could 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:39.760 see why David had potential. His songs weren't bad, and 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:44.040 he was very pretty. There was something odd about his eyes, though, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.280 that made you look at him longer than you looked 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.360 at other pretty young men. It made you want to 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.760 study him. She realized that she'd heard his voice before 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.680 on the radio, at least every other day, a song 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.320 called Space Odd about a nast not getting lost in space. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.040 It was a summer of Mansion sixte and the world 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.240 was preparing to send men to the moon. The timing 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.480 couldn't have been better. She saw him again at King 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.880 Crimson's party at Speakeasy. David worked his way through the room, 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.400 and Angie noticed something else. Everyone stood up to talk 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.160 to him when he approached, rather than let him crouch down. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:31.479 They looked at him like he was important, Andie began 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.000 to look at him that way too. He was born 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.560 Davy Jones, he told her, But that was sadly taken. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.640 Angie laughed. She doubted that anyone could confuse with this 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.160 man with the other Davy Jones, the imitation mopp hop 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.880 and singer from the Monkeys, a man who probably had 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.040 never had an impure or original thought in his life. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.760 That Davy was a mother and father's wet dream of 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.320 the kind of man their daughter would bring home, the 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.480 kind that would bring flowers and help with the dishes. 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:03.360 After she could understand why he would change his name. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.120 By the end of the night, Angie knew that she 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.440 was done fucking me a and Armor. She took David 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:16.920 home instead. They were casual at first. They had sex 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.279 and talked and fought. She tested him by throwing herself 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.039 down the stairs at the hostel where she lived. He 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.240 only stepped over her on his way out and told 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:26.840 her to call him if she was still alive in 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.640 the morning. Cold she thought was something like approval. Then 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.800 one night he was sick and asked her to look 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.880 after him. Sitting on his bed, he played her his tapes. 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.839 It was the first time she'd really listened to his music, 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.719 not just catching it in bits and pieces, but hearing 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.599 it entire, and she realized he wasn't just writing the 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.960 fastile pop love songs she was used to. David's lyrics 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:59.039 were cryptic, apocalyptic, critical mystical. They were science fiction, and 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.880 she believed in all sorts of things, including the efficiency 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.880 of shagging your way to the top. But she believed 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:10.520 in aliens light people. She called them radiant beings who 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:15.000 either inhabited the most brilliant or the most inspired of humans. David, 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:19.080 she decided, was one of them. It wasn't such a 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.760 strange thing to believe in London in nineteen sixty nine, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.840 when men first walked on the moon and the odd 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.320 eyed boy she was falling for was writing songs about 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:31.080 astronauts and starman. He could be her meal ticket, he 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.400 could be the love of her life. Angie was fine 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.520 with either one. Things fell into place quickly after that, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.839 Andie found a flat for the two of them. It 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.640 was in an old Victorian mansion called Hadden Hall, which 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.720 they would share with a wide assortment of other colorful characters, artists, 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:53.520 and musicians. Angie was his first listener when he was 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:58.880 composing his interlocutor on the subjects that fascinated him mythology 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:03.360 and theater, gender in mine when he met with record execs, 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.960 and she was by his side, narrow eyed, playing the 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.240 bad cop. When his father died. She put up with 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.440 sleeping in a room with his mother for weeks while 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.400 King moored in the cramped family home. At the end 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.520 of that time, she offered him a deal. They'd stayed 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.440 together as a couple and worked to make him a 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.680 pop star, and it would be her turn. His fame 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.600 would propel her to a career as an actress. He 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.320 thought about it, Is it all right? Yeah, but I'm 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.840 not in love with you. I can deal with that, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:37.120 She told him, I can deal with anything. It was 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.880 true that she needed British citizenship, and so marrying a 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.840 brit was useful, but that wasn't the only reason she 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.000 accepted his proposal. And it was true that she was 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.280 against marriage, at least the traditional kind, but this wouldn't 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.800 be a traditional marriage, and she liked it that way. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.800 She especially liked it they'd still funk up at the 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.840 It was better not to be tied down, to sleep 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.320 with any man or woman he fancied without expectations, and 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.080 still have someone to go home to at the end 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.800 of the day. She wouldn't have expected David to be 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.760 faithful anyway. Men never were, and she made a game 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:18.720 of trying to sleep with anyone he had his eye 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:23.640 on before he got to them or after, and she 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.800 fell pregnant. She wasn't sure how she felt about becoming 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.760 a mother, but luckily, when their son was born, who 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.679 they called Zilly, David turned out to be a much 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.560 better parent than she could ever dream of being, and 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:41.760 she was happy to let him take the lead. David 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.360 was still struggling to get the world to notice his music, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.679 and that was why he was going to wear a 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.000 dress on the cover of his next album, The Man 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.600 Who Sold the World, posing on a Victorian fainting couch 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.920 at Hadden Hall. It turned heads, but it didn't sell, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:00.720 only cemented David's image as an enigmatic oddball. As far 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.040 as Angie was concerned, though, that was a valuable bonus. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:10.240 They'd taken another creative step forward. Iggy or Ziggy, David 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.599 asked her one afternoon after putting their son down for 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.760 a n app What Angie asked, looking up from the 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.880 magazine she was reading, David sat next to her. For 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:25.200 my stage name, Iggy's taken, Angie said, aware of her 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.200 husband's fascination with iggy pop, but her interest was piqued. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.240 As their sun slept, He began to tell her a 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:43.440 story of an alien from Mars. It was golden. It 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:48.720 was July nineteen seventy two. Angie was watching Makeup Artist's Prime, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.840 her husband for prime time television, not that he wasn't ready. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.840 His hair red, his face white. He wore a sparkly 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.679 jumped suit. His bandmates looked apart too. They weren't David 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:06.760 Bowie and his backing band. They were Ziggy Stardust and 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.760 the Spiders from Mars. Once they were ready, they began 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.360 to perform, and once they got to star Man, the 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:19.240 single released three months earlier, something special happened. As he 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.040 sung the line, he looked straight into the camera as 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:27.600 if he was speaking directly to everyone watching at home. Oh, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:32.160 that was good. Angie couldn't even see what people at 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.079 home we're seeing, and she knew that it was good. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.920 And of course she enjoyed seeing the costumes she'd helped 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.160 sell on the other members of the band. Creating their 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:46.080 extraterrestrial look had been Angie's task, while David had gotten 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.880 to work writing. From the time that he had begun, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.600 Angie knew this album was going to be special. The 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.400 songs were the best he'd yet written, and the concept 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.360 of performing at all as an alien rock star was extraordinary. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.719 David Bowie was well on his way to becoming the 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.840 hottest thing in music. Angie thought with satisfaction that he 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.160 never would have thought of this on his own. Certainly 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.679 he had been interested in gender and science fiction and 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.360 the art of mine before she met him. But it 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.280 had been her who had put it all together to 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:20.760 make something new, something glamorous, larger than life. This was 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.600 the stuff that rock stars were made of. In fact, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.959 it was their comment on rock start in itself. This 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.160 was art. Early in the performance, he put his arm 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.040 around his guitarist mcronson. It was a simple act, but 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.920 a calculated one. A few months earlier, David had given 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.200 an interview to the magazine Melody Maker and told the 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.920 reporter he considered himself gay, said he always had been. 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.960 It had been Angie's idea, what did gay mean anyway? 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.200 Telling the papers he was gay was a way of 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.800 sticking it to the squares, the straits, and at the 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.600 same time telling out the old, closeted means who ran 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.360 so much of the music industry and thought they knew 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:07.600 what was best for David's career. In the declaration that 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.440 Bowie was gay despite having a wife and child, just 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.680 made him that much more intriguing to the fans. He 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:17.400 quickly found himself accumulating they were young and old men, women, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:21.400 gay straight. The fluidity and mystery of David himself was 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.280 a part of what made his music resonate in the 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.320 way that it did. Anyone who had ever felt like 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.480 an outcast in life could see a little bit of 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.760 themselves and him, and the world always seemed to make 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:36.160 a lot of outcasts. The year after the Ziggy star 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.240 Dust album came a loud Insane on It was a 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.600 song that David said he'd written about her. It wasn't 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.720 exactly a traditional love song, but still it was called 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.800 the Prettiest Star and the lyrics described how they would 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:55.319 rise together. It was impossible not to be moved by it. Furthermore, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.120 it confirmed Angie's perception of herself as a driving creative force, 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.559 but David to think bigger and bigger. But she was 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.360 starting to realize the great risk she'd taken and turning 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.440 her husband into the primary creative project. If they separated, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.640 he'd walk away with the whole endeavor. It was him, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.839 it was, she thought. Nearly time to move on to 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.160 the second part of their agreement, making her a star 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:25.360 as well. It was her turn. She tried, she modeled, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.920 she even tried acting. None of it got very far, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.440 Andie could help David reach his full potential. Maybe that 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.360 had to be enough, but it meant being tied to 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:41.120 him indefinitely. So he was two years old, now talking 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.400 and showing signs of his own unique personality. They took 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.360 him on a tour with them to Japan, where he 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.920 rode with him on the bullet train to Hiroshima and 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.400 napped while his father tried on the spectacular kabuki outfits 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.880 made by a Japanese designer. It was nice to feel 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:01.000 like a real family, Angie thought. In the next couple 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:06.800 of years, David's fame continued to soar. There were tours 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.400 of America, and it wasn't just the music. People were 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.280 drawn too. It was the spectacle of getting to see 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.559 him alive for the duration of the show. You really 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.160 forgot that beneath all of the costumes and makeup and 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.800 set dressing was just an ordinary group of men. You 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.480 really felt like you were witnessing the musical talents of 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.360 a raghead group of aliens in the Ziggy start Ust era. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.120 David always ended the show with the song five years, 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.360 Ziggy's warning that the Earth only had five years left. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.240 Sometimes it was hard not to feel like that was 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.760 so these days, Angie thought. You never know, You had 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:50.600 to live every day like it was the last. By 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.680 the mid nineties seventies, Angie Bowie wasn't sure of a 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:58.280 lot of things. She wasn't sure where David stood. She 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.800 wasn't sure where she it, whether their marriage had a 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.560 shot of lasting. How much longer David could keep being 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.040 z or his Ziggy goes to America persona a ladd 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.520 insane and if not, what would he do and where 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.160 would he take his career next. The more success he had, 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:20.280 the more he was trapped being anything by himself. Not 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.080 that much earlier, it seemed like nothing could bring them down. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.920 David and his band were on top of the world, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.360 and it was fucking with his head. The shifting personas 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.600 buying for space with the real David, and the fine 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:35.080 line between genuine success and an exaggerated projection of it. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.080 A lot of the phenomenon part of it had been 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:42.200 cooked up by the publicity team Limousine's fancy hotels and 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.520 pursuing photographers. Mobs of fans followed them wherever they went 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.600 in the pantomime of something that could only be compared 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:54.200 to Beatlemania. Not that there weren't fans there most definitely were, 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.160 but it wasn't anything like the public wanted to think 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.440 your place. The reasoning was that of Dave and Bowie 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.240 was perceived to be a huge star. Others would wonder 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.880 what kind of rock they had been living under. Did 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.600 buy his records and buy tickets to his concerts to 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.680 see what all the fuss was about, And while it 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.920 had worked to a degree, David Star was bona fide, 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.080 There was no question about that. There was also one 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.240 reality that they had to contend with. Due to their 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.440 lifestyle of excess, the expense of the grand theatrical shows, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:30.640 and general mismanagement, they were broke. It was one more 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:35.160 reason for him to escape into drugs, music, another persona affairs, 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:39.880 or some new obsession. David Jones, whomever he had been, 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:49.880 it was more and more remote. As the seventies wayne 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.520 to a close. The relationship that Angie had with David 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.320 became less like a partnership and more like bad roommates 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.680 who argued vigorously. If they acknowledged each other at all, 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.920 and they were both seeing other people while they always had, 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.199 they'd stopped fighting about it or carrying much at all 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.639 about what the other was up to. They made their 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.439 own plans, they'd quit trying to make it work. David 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.439 was too strong out on different drugs most of the 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:18.119 time to have an actual conversation about anything. When the 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.960 time finally came to divorce, the primary question was what 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.680 to do about their son, and it was obvious who 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.760 the better parent would be. Their son was nine now, 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:31.240 and he plainly preferred his father to his mother. Beyond that, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.320 and she told herself that maybe the responsibility of taking 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.479 care of him would force David to get his act together. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.879 And when the divorce was finalized in nineteen eight, David 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.080 got full custody, and you got half a million pounds 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.760 and a non disclosure agreement. I'm going to live with you, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.080 Zoe asked his father as they discussed it all in 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.919 the living room. David gave him a weak smile. This 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.840 was the right choice. Andy was sure whatever shape David 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.440 was in, she had to acknowledge that she felt like 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.720 a proper mother. 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That was my escape, and then I find 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.520 out I'm pregnant with my son. An incredible journey to 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.119 the pinnacle of sports. I was making thirt k I 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:47.320 couldn't aford childcare. McDonald first start for the US women's 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.600 national team. How about that payback? Available now on the 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.400 I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:58.560 your podcasts, the whole stadium sharing equal pay. That's a movement. 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:06.200 The next decade seemed to drive quickly through her, and 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.800 she tried to move on with her life, but that 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.600 didn't exactly keep her away from interviews with anyone who 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.040 wanted to ask her what it was like to be 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:17.720 married to David Bowie. Once her gag order expired. She 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.040 had also kept his name and though many accused her 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.679 of trying to capitalize on her ex husband's fame, that 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:27.439 wasn't it. She'd helped create David Bowie. She'd worked for 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.520 her name. She kept it even after she met someone else, 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.600 a musician who had similarly fashioned a more memorable stage name, 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.520 Drew Blood from the much more boring in average Andrew 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.440 lip Ka, and she did her best to start over 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.880 with him, settling Intucsaw in Arizona. Even as she got older, 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.520 after she had another child, a daughter named Stasha, she 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.280 found herself thinking about the life she'd left behind. Throughout 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:58.400 a series of reinventions, David Starr never really waned, with 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.560 his music and image omni present, he was never far 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:06.440 from her thoughts. She didn't regret things necessarily, but she 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:11.240 still felt a void. Sometimes she thought of her son 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.760 and hoped that whatever he and David were up to, 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:18.359 they were well. Often she was asked why she didn't 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:20.680 fight harder to hold on to any sort of custody 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.560 of Zoe. And while she understood where this question came from, 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:26.200 she was never going to be one of those women 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.200 who used her child to get back at her ex. 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.240 Even if she and David hadn't worked as a couple. 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:33.480 That didn't mean she had to drag Zoe into it. 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.280 Doing that, she reasoned, would have left Zoe with scars 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:43.320 for life. She read that David got married again, and 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:47.080 this time it seemed like true love. In the newspaper, 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.159 she saw a picture of David and his new wife, 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:52.480 a famous motto next to their son, who wasn't a 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:57.120 child anymore. Goodness, he was a man now twenty one 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.800 years old, just about the age that David had been 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.480 when he and Angie had first met all those years ago. 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:09.000 Time really went so fast. Angie hadn't seen her son 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:12.240 and close to ten years. Their brief thoughts of contact 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.760 with each other were unproductive, and now he did not 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.800 seem to want a relationship with her. That's just the 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:21.719 way it is, Angie thought. No one's fault, not that 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:25.560 it mattered anymore. After all, as old as Angie sometimes felt, 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:27.960 she knew that she still had a lot of life 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:32.239 left to live. David was awfu living his He had 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:36.120 a new family and was still making music, still filling stadiums. 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.000 As her ex husband moved definitively into rock and roll 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.680 legend territory, Angie hardly felt like she had an identity 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:45.640 of her own, and there was a part of her 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.040 that still felt like the nineteen year old she'd been 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.560 when she first met David, dreaming about her space and 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:58.119 beings of light. Her relationship Withdrew faded away and she 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.240 met someone else, deciding this time, maybe it would work 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:04.719 better with someone outside the limelight. His name was Michael. 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.520 He was an engineer, and that was perfect. She was 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.440 forging a new career as a writer, too, parlaying a 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:15.840 juicy memoir into more thoughtful studies on gender and sexuality. 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:19.360 Maybe the future would turn out to be bright after all. 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:26.359 It was the cold January day, and as Angie watched 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:28.920 the snowfall outside, she had a good feeling about the 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:33.439 year ahead. It had been a bumpy road lately. She 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:35.760 hadn't seen David or her son, who now went by 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.600 Duncan and was an acclaimed film director. In over thirty 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:42.520 five years. She still thought of them occasionally, and if 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:46.720 they were happy, she was happy for them. She still 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.199 went by Angie Bowie and was still criticized as an 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:52.560 opportunist for it, Andie saw what people wrote about her 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.720 on the internet. She couldn't imagine these people, whomever they 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:57.920 were saying. Some of these things they said to her 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.560