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About a Girl is the production of I 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Double Elvis. You know about David Bowie, artist, 26 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: alien chameleon phenomenon, the man who fell to Earth and 27 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: pioneered glam rock and who never stopped changing throughout all 28 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: the years. But this is not about David Bowie. This 29 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: is about Angie Bowie, self described architect of lifestyles, whose 30 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: wild spirit and radical style inspired the interstellar gender bending 31 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: experimentations that would propel her husband to superstardom. This story 32 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: is about a girl. The first time she ever saw 33 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: his face, it was in a polaroid on the wall 34 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: of an A and R man from Mercury Records. She 35 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: was screwing at the time. She was hoping they and 36 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,839 Speaker 1: our man might give her a job. She'd met him 37 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: by screwing his boss, and she really needed a job, 38 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: preferably with an American company, because her father had cut 39 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: her off and she was in London with only a 40 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: student visa. Instead, he took her to dinner at the Roundhouse, 41 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: where the pretty young man from the Polaroid was on 42 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: stage playing guitar. The a and our man was scouting 43 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 1: David Bowie, as the guitarist called himself, and she could 44 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: see why David had potential. His songs weren't bad, and 45 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: he was very pretty. There was something odd about his eyes, though, 46 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: that made you look at him longer than you looked 47 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: at other pretty young men. It made you want to 48 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: study him. She realized that she'd heard his voice before 49 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: on the radio, at least every other day, a song 50 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: called Space Odd about a nast not getting lost in space. 51 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: It was a summer of Mansion sixte and the world 52 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: was preparing to send men to the moon. The timing 53 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: couldn't have been better. She saw him again at King 54 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: Crimson's party at Speakeasy. David worked his way through the room, 55 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: and Angie noticed something else. Everyone stood up to talk 56 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: to him when he approached, rather than let him crouch down. 57 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: They looked at him like he was important, Andie began 58 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: to look at him that way too. He was born 59 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: Davy Jones, he told her, But that was sadly taken. 60 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: Angie laughed. She doubted that anyone could confuse with this 61 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: man with the other Davy Jones, the imitation mopp hop 62 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: and singer from the Monkeys, a man who probably had 63 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: never had an impure or original thought in his life. 64 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: That Davy was a mother and father's wet dream of 65 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: the kind of man their daughter would bring home, the 66 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: kind that would bring flowers and help with the dishes. 67 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: After she could understand why he would change his name. 68 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: By the end of the night, Angie knew that she 69 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: was done fucking me a and Armor. She took David 70 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: home instead. They were casual at first. They had sex 71 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: and talked and fought. She tested him by throwing herself 72 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: down the stairs at the hostel where she lived. He 73 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: only stepped over her on his way out and told 74 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: her to call him if she was still alive in 75 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: the morning. Cold she thought was something like approval. Then 76 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: one night he was sick and asked her to look 77 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: after him. Sitting on his bed, he played her his tapes. 78 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: It was the first time she'd really listened to his music, 79 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: not just catching it in bits and pieces, but hearing 80 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: it entire, and she realized he wasn't just writing the 81 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: fastile pop love songs she was used to. David's lyrics 82 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: were cryptic, apocalyptic, critical mystical. They were science fiction, and 83 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: she believed in all sorts of things, including the efficiency 84 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: of shagging your way to the top. But she believed 85 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: in aliens light people. She called them radiant beings who 86 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: either inhabited the most brilliant or the most inspired of humans. David, 87 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: she decided, was one of them. It wasn't such a 88 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: strange thing to believe in London in nineteen sixty nine, 89 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: when men first walked on the moon and the odd 90 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: eyed boy she was falling for was writing songs about 91 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: astronauts and starman. He could be her meal ticket, he 92 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: could be the love of her life. Angie was fine 93 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: with either one. Things fell into place quickly after that, 94 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: Andie found a flat for the two of them. It 95 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: was in an old Victorian mansion called Hadden Hall, which 96 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: they would share with a wide assortment of other colorful characters, artists, 97 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: and musicians. Angie was his first listener when he was 98 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: composing his interlocutor on the subjects that fascinated him mythology 99 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: and theater, gender in mine when he met with record execs, 100 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: and she was by his side, narrow eyed, playing the 101 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: bad cop. When his father died. She put up with 102 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: sleeping in a room with his mother for weeks while 103 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: King moored in the cramped family home. At the end 104 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: of that time, she offered him a deal. They'd stayed 105 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: together as a couple and worked to make him a 106 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: pop star, and it would be her turn. His fame 107 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: would propel her to a career as an actress. He 108 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: thought about it, Is it all right? Yeah, but I'm 109 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: not in love with you. I can deal with that, 110 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: She told him, I can deal with anything. It was 111 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: true that she needed British citizenship, and so marrying a 112 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: brit was useful, but that wasn't the only reason she 113 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: accepted his proposal. And it was true that she was 114 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: against marriage, at least the traditional kind, but this wouldn't 115 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: be a traditional marriage, and she liked it that way. 116 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: She especially liked it they'd still funk up at the 117 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: It was better not to be tied down, to sleep 118 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: with any man or woman he fancied without expectations, and 119 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: still have someone to go home to at the end 120 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: of the day. She wouldn't have expected David to be 121 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: faithful anyway. Men never were, and she made a game 122 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: of trying to sleep with anyone he had his eye 123 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: on before he got to them or after, and she 124 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: fell pregnant. She wasn't sure how she felt about becoming 125 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: a mother, but luckily, when their son was born, who 126 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: they called Zilly, David turned out to be a much 127 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: better parent than she could ever dream of being, and 128 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: she was happy to let him take the lead. David 129 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: was still struggling to get the world to notice his music, 130 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: and that was why he was going to wear a 131 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: dress on the cover of his next album, The Man 132 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: Who Sold the World, posing on a Victorian fainting couch 133 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: at Hadden Hall. It turned heads, but it didn't sell, 134 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: only cemented David's image as an enigmatic oddball. As far 135 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: as Angie was concerned, though, that was a valuable bonus. 136 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: They'd taken another creative step forward. Iggy or Ziggy, David 137 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: asked her one afternoon after putting their son down for 138 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: a n app What Angie asked, looking up from the 139 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: magazine she was reading, David sat next to her. For 140 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: my stage name, Iggy's taken, Angie said, aware of her 141 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: husband's fascination with iggy pop, but her interest was piqued. 142 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: As their sun slept, He began to tell her a 143 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: story of an alien from Mars. It was golden. It 144 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: was July nineteen seventy two. Angie was watching Makeup Artist's Prime, 145 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: her husband for prime time television, not that he wasn't ready. 146 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: His hair red, his face white. He wore a sparkly 147 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: jumped suit. His bandmates looked apart too. They weren't David 148 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: Bowie and his backing band. They were Ziggy Stardust and 149 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: the Spiders from Mars. Once they were ready, they began 150 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: to perform, and once they got to star Man, the 151 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: single released three months earlier, something special happened. As he 152 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: sung the line, he looked straight into the camera as 153 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: if he was speaking directly to everyone watching at home. Oh, 154 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: that was good. Angie couldn't even see what people at 155 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: home we're seeing, and she knew that it was good. 156 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: And of course she enjoyed seeing the costumes she'd helped 157 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: sell on the other members of the band. Creating their 158 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial look had been Angie's task, while David had gotten 159 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: to work writing. From the time that he had begun, 160 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: Angie knew this album was going to be special. The 161 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: songs were the best he'd yet written, and the concept 162 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: of performing at all as an alien rock star was extraordinary. 163 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: David Bowie was well on his way to becoming the 164 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: hottest thing in music. Angie thought with satisfaction that he 165 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: never would have thought of this on his own. Certainly 166 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: he had been interested in gender and science fiction and 167 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: the art of mine before she met him. But it 168 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: had been her who had put it all together to 169 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: make something new, something glamorous, larger than life. This was 170 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: the stuff that rock stars were made of. In fact, 171 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: it was their comment on rock start in itself. This 172 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: was art. Early in the performance, he put his arm 173 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: around his guitarist mcronson. It was a simple act, but 174 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: a calculated one. A few months earlier, David had given 175 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: an interview to the magazine Melody Maker and told the 176 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: reporter he considered himself gay, said he always had been. 177 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: It had been Angie's idea, what did gay mean anyway? 178 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: Telling the papers he was gay was a way of 179 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: sticking it to the squares, the straits, and at the 180 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: same time telling out the old, closeted means who ran 181 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: so much of the music industry and thought they knew 182 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: what was best for David's career. In the declaration that 183 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: Bowie was gay despite having a wife and child, just 184 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: made him that much more intriguing to the fans. He 185 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: quickly found himself accumulating they were young and old men, women, 186 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: gay straight. The fluidity and mystery of David himself was 187 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: a part of what made his music resonate in the 188 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: way that it did. Anyone who had ever felt like 189 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: an outcast in life could see a little bit of 190 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: themselves and him, and the world always seemed to make 191 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: a lot of outcasts. The year after the Ziggy star 192 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: Dust album came a loud Insane on It was a 193 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: song that David said he'd written about her. It wasn't 194 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: exactly a traditional love song, but still it was called 195 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: the Prettiest Star and the lyrics described how they would 196 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: rise together. It was impossible not to be moved by it. Furthermore, 197 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: it confirmed Angie's perception of herself as a driving creative force, 198 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: but David to think bigger and bigger. But she was 199 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: starting to realize the great risk she'd taken and turning 200 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: her husband into the primary creative project. If they separated, 201 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: he'd walk away with the whole endeavor. It was him, 202 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: it was, she thought. Nearly time to move on to 203 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: the second part of their agreement, making her a star 204 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: as well. It was her turn. She tried, she modeled, 205 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: she even tried acting. None of it got very far, 206 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: Andie could help David reach his full potential. Maybe that 207 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: had to be enough, but it meant being tied to 208 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: him indefinitely. So he was two years old, now talking 209 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: and showing signs of his own unique personality. They took 210 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: him on a tour with them to Japan, where he 211 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: rode with him on the bullet train to Hiroshima and 212 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: napped while his father tried on the spectacular kabuki outfits 213 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: made by a Japanese designer. It was nice to feel 214 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: like a real family, Angie thought. In the next couple 215 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: of years, David's fame continued to soar. There were tours 216 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: of America, and it wasn't just the music. People were 217 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: drawn too. It was the spectacle of getting to see 218 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: him alive for the duration of the show. You really 219 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: forgot that beneath all of the costumes and makeup and 220 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: set dressing was just an ordinary group of men. You 221 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: really felt like you were witnessing the musical talents of 222 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: a raghead group of aliens in the Ziggy start Ust era. 223 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: David always ended the show with the song five years, 224 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Ziggy's warning that the Earth only had five years left. 225 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes it was hard not to feel like that was 226 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: so these days, Angie thought. You never know, You had 227 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: to live every day like it was the last. By 228 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: the mid nineties seventies, Angie Bowie wasn't sure of a 229 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: lot of things. She wasn't sure where David stood. She 230 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: wasn't sure where she it, whether their marriage had a 231 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: shot of lasting. How much longer David could keep being 232 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: z or his Ziggy goes to America persona a ladd 233 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: insane and if not, what would he do and where 234 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: would he take his career next. The more success he had, 235 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: the more he was trapped being anything by himself. Not 236 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: that much earlier, it seemed like nothing could bring them down. 237 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: David and his band were on top of the world, 238 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: and it was fucking with his head. The shifting personas 239 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: buying for space with the real David, and the fine 240 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: line between genuine success and an exaggerated projection of it. 241 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: A lot of the phenomenon part of it had been 242 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: cooked up by the publicity team Limousine's fancy hotels and 243 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: pursuing photographers. Mobs of fans followed them wherever they went 244 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: in the pantomime of something that could only be compared 245 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: to Beatlemania. Not that there weren't fans there most definitely were, 246 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: but it wasn't anything like the public wanted to think 247 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: your place. The reasoning was that of Dave and Bowie 248 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: was perceived to be a huge star. Others would wonder 249 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: what kind of rock they had been living under. Did 250 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: buy his records and buy tickets to his concerts to 251 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: see what all the fuss was about, And while it 252 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: had worked to a degree, David Star was bona fide, 253 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: There was no question about that. There was also one 254 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: reality that they had to contend with. Due to their 255 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: lifestyle of excess, the expense of the grand theatrical shows, 256 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: and general mismanagement, they were broke. It was one more 257 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: reason for him to escape into drugs, music, another persona affairs, 258 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: or some new obsession. David Jones, whomever he had been, 259 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: it was more and more remote. As the seventies wayne 260 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: to a close. The relationship that Angie had with David 261 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: became less like a partnership and more like bad roommates 262 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: who argued vigorously. If they acknowledged each other at all, 263 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: and they were both seeing other people while they always had, 264 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: they'd stopped fighting about it or carrying much at all 265 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: about what the other was up to. They made their 266 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: own plans, they'd quit trying to make it work. David 267 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: was too strong out on different drugs most of the 268 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: time to have an actual conversation about anything. When the 269 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: time finally came to divorce, the primary question was what 270 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: to do about their son, and it was obvious who 271 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: the better parent would be. Their son was nine now, 272 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: and he plainly preferred his father to his mother. Beyond that, 273 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: and she told herself that maybe the responsibility of taking 274 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: care of him would force David to get his act together. 275 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: And when the divorce was finalized in nineteen eight, David 276 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: got full custody, and you got half a million pounds 277 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: and a non disclosure agreement. I'm going to live with you, 278 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: Zoe asked his father as they discussed it all in 279 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: the living room. David gave him a weak smile. This 280 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: was the right choice. 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Hello, 298 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm Stacy Wilson Hunt, your host for Inventing Anna, the 299 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: official podcast from Shonda Rhimes and the creators at Shonda Land. 300 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: Inventing Anna tells the story of a young woman who 301 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: charmed her way into the pocketbooks of New York's elite. 302 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: Was she gonna take off with that twenty million dollars 303 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: from the banks or was she going to pour it 304 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: into this foundation? You know, people look at Anna and 305 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: see what they want to see. On this podcast, you'll 306 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: get v i P access to the real people who 307 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: inspire the television series and to the actors and creatives 308 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: like show runners Shaunda Himes, who brought them to life. 309 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: We were working on the show while the trial was 310 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: going on. I remember doing a dramatic reading of Todd's 311 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: opening statement for the writer's room. Who is the fake Heiress? 312 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: Anna Delvi join us as we unraveled the stories behind 313 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: the story. Everything's true until it's not, basically in Anna's world. 314 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: Listen to Inventing Anna, the official podcast every Wednesday on 315 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you 316 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. On Long Shot season two, you payback. 317 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: Legendary women's soccer coach Anson Lawrence told me there are 318 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: players he has paid to coach. Oh what a finish 319 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: by Jess McDonald, and players he'd coach for free McDonald 320 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: and oh my goodness, but that he would pay to 321 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: coach Jessica McDonald. She's had some very difficult moments in 322 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: her life, but there's something inside the great athletes that 323 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: is why they're great. On payback, The Charlotte Observer, Raleigh News, 324 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: An Observer, McClatchy Studios, and I Heart Radio share her story. 325 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: I ran away from home when I was seventeen years old. 326 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: My recollections are mostly trying to find her. Thank God 327 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: for sports. That was my escape, and then I find 328 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: out I'm pregnant with my son. An incredible journey to 329 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: the pinnacle of sports. I was making thirt k I 330 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: couldn't aford childcare. McDonald first start for the US women's 331 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: national team. How about that payback? Available now on the 332 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get 333 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: your podcasts, the whole stadium sharing equal pay. That's a movement. 334 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: The next decade seemed to drive quickly through her, and 335 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: she tried to move on with her life, but that 336 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: didn't exactly keep her away from interviews with anyone who 337 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: wanted to ask her what it was like to be 338 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: married to David Bowie. Once her gag order expired. She 339 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: had also kept his name and though many accused her 340 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: of trying to capitalize on her ex husband's fame, that 341 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: wasn't it. She'd helped create David Bowie. She'd worked for 342 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: her name. She kept it even after she met someone else, 343 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: a musician who had similarly fashioned a more memorable stage name, 344 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: Drew Blood from the much more boring in average Andrew 345 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: lip Ka, and she did her best to start over 346 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: with him, settling Intucsaw in Arizona. Even as she got older, 347 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: after she had another child, a daughter named Stasha, she 348 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: found herself thinking about the life she'd left behind. Throughout 349 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: a series of reinventions, David Starr never really waned, with 350 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: his music and image omni present, he was never far 351 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: from her thoughts. She didn't regret things necessarily, but she 352 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: still felt a void. Sometimes she thought of her son 353 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: and hoped that whatever he and David were up to, 354 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: they were well. Often she was asked why she didn't 355 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: fight harder to hold on to any sort of custody 356 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: of Zoe. And while she understood where this question came from, 357 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: she was never going to be one of those women 358 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: who used her child to get back at her ex. 359 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: Even if she and David hadn't worked as a couple. 360 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: That didn't mean she had to drag Zoe into it. 361 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: Doing that, she reasoned, would have left Zoe with scars 362 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: for life. She read that David got married again, and 363 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: this time it seemed like true love. In the newspaper, 364 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: she saw a picture of David and his new wife, 365 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: a famous motto next to their son, who wasn't a 366 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: child anymore. Goodness, he was a man now twenty one 367 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: years old, just about the age that David had been 368 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: when he and Angie had first met all those years ago. 369 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: Time really went so fast. Angie hadn't seen her son 370 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: and close to ten years. Their brief thoughts of contact 371 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: with each other were unproductive, and now he did not 372 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: seem to want a relationship with her. That's just the 373 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: way it is, Angie thought. No one's fault, not that 374 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: it mattered anymore. After all, as old as Angie sometimes felt, 375 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: she knew that she still had a lot of life 376 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 1: left to live. David was awfu living his He had 377 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: a new family and was still making music, still filling stadiums. 378 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: As her ex husband moved definitively into rock and roll 379 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: legend territory, Angie hardly felt like she had an identity 380 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: of her own, and there was a part of her 381 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: that still felt like the nineteen year old she'd been 382 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: when she first met David, dreaming about her space and 383 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: beings of light. Her relationship Withdrew faded away and she 384 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: met someone else, deciding this time, maybe it would work 385 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: better with someone outside the limelight. His name was Michael. 386 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: He was an engineer, and that was perfect. She was 387 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: forging a new career as a writer, too, parlaying a 388 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: juicy memoir into more thoughtful studies on gender and sexuality. 389 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: Maybe the future would turn out to be bright after all. 390 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: It was the cold January day, and as Angie watched 391 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: the snowfall outside, she had a good feeling about the 392 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: year ahead. It had been a bumpy road lately. She 393 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: hadn't seen David or her son, who now went by 394 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: Duncan and was an acclaimed film director. In over thirty 395 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: five years. She still thought of them occasionally, and if 396 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: they were happy, she was happy for them. She still 397 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: went by Angie Bowie and was still criticized as an 398 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: opportunist for it, Andie saw what people wrote about her 399 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: on the internet. She couldn't imagine these people, whomever they 400 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: were saying. Some of these things they said to her 401 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: face after all this time, though she was used to 402 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: it and could easily shrug it off. These random internet 403 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: trolls didn't really know her. They thought they understood the 404 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: relationship that she and David had because they liked his music, 405 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: they identified within, but there was a lot more to 406 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: it than they would ever know. She kept the name 407 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: because it was her name, as simple as that. She'd 408 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: fell in love again too, and like go of David 409 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: a long time ago, It's not like she had time 410 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: to be living in the past anyway. She'd recently been 411 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: selected as a contestant on the TV show Celebrity Big Brother, 412 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: where a group of public personalities lived in a house together. 413 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: Each week one would be a victim, and she had 414 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 1: done it because she thought it might be interesting, and 415 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: so far it was nothing like she'd ever been a 416 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: part of in her life. And sure she didn't mind 417 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: being back in the public eye, that was part of it. 418 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: Just as she watched the snow, she heard a knock 419 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: at the door, Angie. She heard the producer's voice, do 420 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: you have a moment? Angie walked to her door and 421 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: opened it. Of course, they moved into the hall into 422 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: a very quiet spot, maybe one of the only places 423 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: in the house where there were no cameras, where no 424 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: one else would hear them. David Bowie passed away today. 425 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: The producer said, if you need to leave the house, 426 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: we understand. Angie's head was spinning. No, I think I'll stay, 427 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: she replied. After a moment that seemed like an eternity. 428 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: The producer gave her a pitying look. We thought you 429 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: ought to know, he said, let us know if you 430 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: need anything. He walked off, leaving Angie alone in the hallway. 431 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: David Bowie dead. Once in generation or so, people came 432 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: around that were so larger than life that you forgot 433 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: that they could die, that we all would die. Even 434 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: though they hadn't spoken in over thirty five years, Angie 435 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: had always taken comfort in knowing that he was out 436 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: there somewhere. Suddenly, all of their fights didn't matter anymore. 437 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: They had had a lot of wonderful memories together. They'd 438 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: made a child. A week later, she left the Big 439 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: Brother House. She just couldn't do it anymore, she told 440 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: everyone else. The competition, which had seemed so exciting just 441 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: a week earlier, had lost all of its luster. For days, 442 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: her ex husband's face was all that was on the 443 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: news on Facebook. His music was all she heard on 444 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: the radio. She didn't hate it. One night and she 445 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: found herself listening to it too. Lying in bed, she 446 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: couldn't sleep. She searched for one specific song on her 447 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: phone and she pushed play. Sometime later, she fell asleep, 448 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: drifting off to the voice of her ex husband from 449 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: all those years. Oh. David Bowie was to the nineteen 450 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: seventies what the Beatles were to the nineteen sixties. He 451 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: encouraged generations of people to dream wildly, showing them it 452 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: was okay to be different, to be yourself or whomever 453 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: you wanted to be. But this isn't about them. This 454 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: is about Angie Barnett, who inspired David Bowie to be different, 455 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: to be himself or whomever he wanted to be, who 456 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: believed he could touch the stars before he reached out 457 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: to them himself. 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