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Speaker 1: Welcome Did it Happened Here? A podcast about things falling

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Speaker 1: apart and how to put them back together again? Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, me along, And today I am returning

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Speaker 1: to my roots and the CD Criminal Anarchist Hacker Underground,

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Speaker 1: which has gotten much less ceed and somehow even more

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Speaker 1: gay since I was last there and with with me

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Speaker 1: to talk about this is Maya Arson Crime you who

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Speaker 1: is most recently famous as the person who owned an

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Speaker 1: airline so hard they got a copy of the fucking

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Speaker 1: no flight list, which is yeah, just just first day things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so Maya, how how are how are you? How are

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Speaker 1: you doing? Being deluged with when Trilli an interview requests

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Speaker 1: and um so yeah, it's not my first time experiencing

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Speaker 1: like a big news cycle, but this is certainly the

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Speaker 1: biggest one. Ye's I'm surprised that this is bigger than

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Speaker 1: the one life Happy for with other stories. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like big coming a transferm meme at the

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Speaker 1: same time as I have like a national security new

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Speaker 1: cycle going on probably helped of it. I'm I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: very happy for weed cat like that, that that that

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Speaker 1: cat did, like that, every every single other thing that

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Speaker 1: has happened to weed cat is like done that thing dirty,

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Speaker 1: but I'm happy for Yeah. We cat is not just

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Speaker 1: like a hacking icon and I'm so here for it,

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Speaker 1: like like like just like like fifteen minutes before we

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Speaker 1: got un called, there's now a like Bengal meme from

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Speaker 1: the SCP Foundation on Oh my god, they commissioned an

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Speaker 1: artist to make a thing like it has just turned

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Speaker 1: into a thing now like that that's the way. It's goods.

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Speaker 1: It's not even it's not even like the whole hacking

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Speaker 1: story anymore. It's just the fact that I tingled into

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Speaker 1: a meme like how how Yeah, and especially that Bengal

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Speaker 1: turned into a meme because that started as a like

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Speaker 1: discord in joke like that that's all it was. And

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Speaker 1: now it's the name of this well, okay, so we

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Speaker 1: should explain for it for people. For people who don't

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Speaker 1: know what this cat is. This is the Pokemon spriggary sprigarado.

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Speaker 1: How do you I don't know how to properly pronounced

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Speaker 1: It's it's Italian. I I'm under no obligation to pronounce

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Speaker 1: an Italian sounding thing correctly. It's fine. Yeah, it's the

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Speaker 1: wheat cat, like wheat cat and Bingle are now the

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Speaker 1: only two acceptable names for this. Yeah. But in in

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Speaker 1: in in the blog where you went through and talked

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Speaker 1: you posted a picture of of of this. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: did actually like take that picture while I was like

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Speaker 1: with like the phrase this aviation should get serious. That's

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Speaker 1: why that's also in the blog. I expected that to

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Speaker 1: become the meme that blows up that this aviation ship

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Speaker 1: gets serious, because that's just so stupid. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: guess Bengle it is. And that's funny because yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was just an in choke nonsense word and now the

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Speaker 1: entire world knows about it and it's like a transferm thing.

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Speaker 1: It rules. Yeah, So okay, I guess we should talk

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Speaker 1: about what actually you did. So I I am not

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Speaker 1: a very technical person. I'm out here defined like defying

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Speaker 1: transco stereotypes by sucking acid coding. Um, so, my my

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Speaker 1: understanding of what happened is you were browsing a list

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Speaker 1: I had a bunch of hard coded privileges there, and

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Speaker 1: How Like I realized what it was because I saw

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Speaker 1: But this way I get to talk about the publicly

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Speaker 1: like okay, one thing I'm trying to figure out, why

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Speaker 1: so the messages weren't directly on that server, but like

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Speaker 1: So that happened, Like I am still not up to

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Speaker 1: like two bucks an hour to label things as car, human,

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Speaker 1: how you see the politics of these new groups either

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00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: sort of as different from what came before it. I

432
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: think it's hard for a lot of the groups, it's

433
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: hard to like see what their politics are, and some

434
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: of them aren't even Like there's things like the lack

435
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: Sis that aren't specifically doing activism, but they're accidentally doing

436
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: anti corporate activism by just making everything like uh, that's

437
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: like groups that are like in the way that they

438
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: operate are very clear and inspired by my work that

439
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: I used to do um and they're just not very

440
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: like political per se. They but but I still call

441
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: them activists because even if it might not be their intention,

442
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: they're doing activism and they're making corporations angry and wasting

443
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: corporate resources, and in my book, that counts as like activism.

444
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: And the fact that they in a way fight for

445
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: like freedom of information, even if they might not be

446
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 1: the goal. Yeah, I don't know, I feel like that

447
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: is the man unifying factor now it's just a fight

448
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: for information because like they're currently like the single biggest

449
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: active activist thing happening right now, since like is just

450
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: leaking the whole activism thing that happened before as well,

451
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: but now that's like the main thing. Before it was

452
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: often a lot like just didosing and stuff. But now

453
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: we're so focused and like getting documents, getting software, getting files,

454
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: getting like proof that things happened, getting fucking no fly list.

455
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a very different environment where like

456
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: the goals are probably about the same in a lot

457
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: of ways, at least for the people who do have

458
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: an ideology. But but like, yeah, I feel like it's

459
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: just much more focused on like releasing information into the free,

460
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: which I find really great. Like that that is kind

461
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: of my big fight that I tried to devote myself too. Yeah,

462
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask also sort of just about your

463
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: personal archism, because I don't know, I like talking about

464
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: narchism and yeah, everyone has to around. Um, I don't know,

465
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a difficult question, and I feel my

466
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: answer to this question changes like every other thing. Um.

467
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: I especially find it hard because like I am like

468
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: doing work in very specific focus bits of like anarchists work,

469
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: and so I don't really want to look myself into

470
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry. So so it's it's like very fluid.

471
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like obviously against states. I am like, I

472
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's hard. No no governments, no shedy

473
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: co operations, and it's just like having fun with friends

474
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: and being gay. That is like the rules we take

475
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: this is this is a good form of a Yeah,

476
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just some form of like queer anarchism. Yeah,

477
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: being gay and doing crimes, it's a it's a good

478
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: it's a good thing. I guess in a way, like

479
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: what kind of defines me and what keeps getting me

480
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: into the spotlight is that I do just kind of

481
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: have like a very strong moral compass and I go

482
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: by that rather by what's legal or not legal or

483
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: like sure, I try to stay with him like some

484
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: safe boundaries, especially now like post indictment, um, given that

485
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: they're definitely even more eyes on me now than than

486
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: before and this podcast is definitely being played at some

487
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: n Yeah, there's there's there's ah, so that's something to consider,

488
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, I feel like I feel like that's

489
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: kind of what I want to demonstrate this that like,

490
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: if you have morals, you can't just stick by them,

491
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: Like no one is stopping you from doing that. They

492
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: might try to, but like you can just stick with

493
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: your morals. Yeah, and I think it's I think it's

494
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: worth mentioning even like you know, okay, like a lot

495
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: of people go to prison for doing stuff like this,

496
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: some of them didn't like there there there's like, to

497
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: the best of my knowledge, there is at least still

498
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: one low set guy who's just in the wind who

499
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: they never got and like and sick, like they they

500
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: had a fed mole in the group and one of

501
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: these people still got away. Fox up. Yeah, just just

502
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: just fox. So I really don't do says basically the

503
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: guy that the Feds flipped inside of Losak, who got

504
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: it was at the prison. Um, Like I do have

505
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: to say, I kind of get why he flipped, like

506
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: he at that point already had a family and stuff.

507
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: But like I get that it is hard, but still, yeah,

508
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: gave up your friends, Yeah, you simply do not tasty like, like,

509
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, and the fact that he still has

510
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: some sort of image. Honestly, I don't know that it's

511
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: just it's just infra sex commune. Uh, I don't know.

512
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting for sure, but yeah, I can't come

513
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: in too much of a lot of fun. There are

514
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: a lot of funny chokes to be made that I shouldn't. Yeah,

515
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: the Feds suck. I just I'm just gonna say that, like,

516
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: oh god, it's it's been. It's it's it's been. It's

517
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: been a bad week of Feds in the US too,

518
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: Like yeah, honestly, just one thing again. But I am

519
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: so curious what's going to happen with the Congression link. Yeah,

520
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that, like, especially since

521
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: like this means that the Republicans are going to be

522
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: exposed to my block post presumably. Ah, And I am

523
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: so excited for all the slurs they can come up with.

524
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: It is going to be extremely funny. But I'm also

525
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: very excited for like the Turfs to be like this

526
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: is terrorism. See we'll be right along. Yeah, yeah, I

527
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: have gotten that before. I have gotten terrfree place before

528
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: on like articles about me where they were like see, no,

529
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: women don't commit crime. So this is clear proof that

530
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: it's just like what what are you talking about? This

531
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: is this is my male cheenes coming out was like, man,

532
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: like do do you do? You do? You do? You

533
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: know what people what people did, so you have the

534
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: right to vote, Like come on that, Like that's the

535
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: funny thing is that they at the same time also

536
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: like fetishizes the whole Suffragette thing. Yeah, I think, no

537
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: fucking clue what that movement? Yeah, it's like no, no,

538
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: no suffragette what what whatever? Horsewhip richie sunac not no

539
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: turf whatever, unlike unlike the suffragettes, who Yeah, exactly, I

540
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's silly. I'm surprised how little harassment

541
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: I've gotten on Twitter so far if we exclude the

542
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: whole by lesbian this. Yeah, I'm so sorry for restarting that.

543
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: This course, I think me talking about that single handedly

544
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: restarted that this card. It just happened. It just happens periodically,

545
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, it's just funny because like I was

546
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, this is gonna get me some hatred place.

547
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: But like within five minutes I had twenty one private quote. Yeah,

548
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean like my, my, my, I won't wake an

549
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: official statement on that, which is that if you give

550
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: a single ship about people calling themselves by lesbians, like,

551
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: please let me know so who I can trade lives

552
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: with you? Like you you seem to have like very

553
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: few problems going on. I would love to like have

554
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: grown up in the world where like that's like that's

555
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: the thing that you think, Like, I don't know why

556
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's funny how there's people

557
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: who were like wanting to follow me, wanting to interact

558
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: with me as like and it's it's uh theory and

559
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: kitten who like does uh funny things to the U. S. Government,

560
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: But then they draw the line at at the specific sexuality. Yeah,

561
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: it's like really like I I then made like a

562
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: post where I was like, sorry, I deleted that I

563
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: didn't I don't have the energy to deal with people

564
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: getting so upset over an innocent word and that has

565
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: gotten so many many quoteweets being like yeah, and then

566
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: isn't word in question was by lesbian? I say if

567
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: I said like the N word or something like that

568
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: was literally the kind of response I got. And it's

569
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: just like do you not have anything else to do? Like,

570
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: like do you know how many people the cops killed

571
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: last week? Can you please do something like come on

572
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: and all the things are happening here right now, Like

573
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 1: especially then when some of the people that come up

574
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: with that are like non binary lesbians, which if you

575
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: know anything about this purity in discourse, like half of

576
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: the them would also like from the sounder because non

577
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: binary lesbians also can't exist, and like it's why are

578
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: you why? Why are you fighting for the turf? Like that?

579
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: That is my one single question I have through all

580
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: the fourteen year old careers on Twitter dot com. Also,

581
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: why did that why did that escourse ever escape Tumbler?

582
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: Like that was because because all the Tumbler refugees came

583
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: to Twitter. Yeah, but they could have left a discourse there. Yeah,

584
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: but no, the world I don't know Twitter, Twitter, Twitter.

585
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: The last like like okay, like Twitter's diress course has

586
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: ever been good, but like in the last obviously it's

587
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: just been getting worse. And it's it's yeah, it's just

588
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: the same side, Like it's it's not even that it's

589
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: just bad discourse. It's just the same discourse every week,

590
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: And I'm just tired of it. And I guess now

591
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: that I'm a big account, I have to have an

592
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: opinion on everything. Um And also the fun part about

593
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: being trans everyone is like like absolutely razor focused for

594
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: like the exact one word that you say wrong so

595
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: they can act, so they can like like legitimately quote

596
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: unquote be t troobic at you. And it's like this

597
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: is great, Like this is a great system that we've

598
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: developed for existing with each other. You could simply not

599
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: do this, Yeah, you can just say like that. The

600
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: fact that literally, like I was like, I'm gonna see

601
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: what happens if I by lesbian and then I can't

602
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: wave twenty four followers, and and the fact that it

603
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: literally took seconds for people to tell me to tell

604
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: all their mutuals to unfollow me because I'm highly problematic.

605
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: Um was it was quite interesting. And someone was just

606
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: like this has completely shattered my world view, and I'm

607
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: just like sorry, if your world view gets shattered by

608
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: my sexuality, you have some soul seeking to do. Like yeah,

609
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: like like like like like like actually like like I grew,

610
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: I grew like like for some of them. For some people,

611
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: me saying the phrase by lesbian was generally like my

612
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: milkshake doc moment. Yeah, it was like it was like

613
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: a second it called a second sexuality description as hit

614
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: the towers, like it was, Yeah, it's so like god,

615
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: it was like five am when I made that tweet.

616
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: It was just like, oh, I'm going to get a

617
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: little silly with it, and and I just expected like

618
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: a backlash but not that much. It was just too much.

619
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, like I know, it's not like backlash that

620
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: matters and I should just ignore it. But it's like

621
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: so overwhelming. Yeah, I guess do you do you have

622
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: anything else that you want to say? I don't know.

623
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: I think that's that covers like most of the things

624
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: I have to talk about. H Yeah, just like be

625
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: Ga to crime, Hacked the Planet, Oh my god, it

626
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: was genuinely it is one of my favorite things in

627
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: the world. That they made the movie Hackers, and it

628
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: was the worst de picture. But then also like like

629
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: I it was like so I did watch them. I mean, okay,

630
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: I watched it, like not to the first time. Like

631
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't like like like I was, I was like

632
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: not that well when I watched it, but it was

633
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: after I like first ran into Hackers. So it took

634
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: me a while to figure out that, like, wait, hold on, no,

635
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: hack the Planet is the thing that everyone says, but

636
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: that's actually because it's a joke for Hackers, which I see.

637
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: I still find it funny how Hackers is a movie

638
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: that got hacking culture completely wrong and changed it forever,

639
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: because like because like there's I don't know if you've

640
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: ever seen that, but from like Defcon from there's a

641
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: page on the official Deacon website talking about how bad

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Speaker 1: Hackers is and how it gets everything wrong and no

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Speaker 1: one should watch this movie. And now you look at

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Speaker 1: this like twenty years later, and that's just what hacking

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Speaker 1: culture turned in. Yeah, the most incredible thing about Hackers

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Speaker 1: is that someone managed to get the queerest fucking movie

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Speaker 1: ever made made by one of the biggest companies in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: and also make it about hacking, and like it's it's

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Speaker 1: the best piece of cinema ever. And I stand by this,

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Speaker 1: like it fucking sucks in a lot of ways, but

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Speaker 1: it's just they just managed to make a movie where

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Speaker 1: no one has says somehow essentiallya shally like, so no

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Speaker 1: one says it's pretty amazing. I will say the two

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Speaker 1: Asian characters are kind of whack, but other than that,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's a it's a like like it's

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Speaker 1: it's a whack movie. Like like if you look at

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Speaker 1: it objectively, it's a pretty bad movie. Like like there's

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Speaker 1: you know, there was like a lot of way stuff

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Speaker 1: in the nineties is absolutely terrible. But also like there

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Speaker 1: was stuff you could just do in movies in the

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Speaker 1: nineties that like you can't now, like like okay, well,

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Speaker 1: like what my example this is. I may have said

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Speaker 1: this on the podcast before, but like they so they

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Speaker 1: adaptation of Romeo and Juliet that is like it's Romeo

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Speaker 1: and Juliet. It's it's exactly the lines in Shakespeare, but

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Speaker 1: it's like with characters set in like the like modern

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Speaker 1: times and they're shooting guns each other, but like what

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Speaker 1: what do these happens to? That is there's just like

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Speaker 1: a black guy doing drag and it's just like a thing,

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Speaker 1: like nobody comments on it, like it's just a thing

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Speaker 1: that he's having a good time. And you could not

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Speaker 1: like like people people people would show up to yeah,

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Speaker 1: like people people which people like yeah, like I won't

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Speaker 1: be on Tucker Carlson like like the people people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'd have like mobs showing up in front of your

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Speaker 1: house like it's yeah, yeah, like I don't know, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if Hackers came out now, we would have like Tucker

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Speaker 1: Carson complaining about the woke up trying to make the

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Speaker 1: kids and too gay activists, Like I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: love the movie so much, not not because it's good,

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Speaker 1: but because it's culturally important. Yes, and yeah, and the

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Speaker 1: characters are like great, like they made everyone career somehow,

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Speaker 1: and I'm still not sure whether that was intentional or not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I leaned towards they didn't know

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Speaker 1: what they were doing, and that makes it even funnier. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it makes it so much better. And also the fact

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Speaker 1: that it's like go off past like producers and everything,

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Speaker 1: and it was mazing, the queerest piece of like Hollywood

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Speaker 1: media I have ever seen that wasn't meant to be queer.

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Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, yeah, cool time we went on

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Speaker 1: this tension because yeah, we we we we we We

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Speaker 1: simply love to see it be gay do crimes hack

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Speaker 1: the planet? Uh, this is not legally for the FBI,

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Speaker 1: This is not legally actionable. This is a joke. As

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Speaker 1: you can tell, yes, from the movie Hackers, which you

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Speaker 1: could watch Hackers, yeah in places. Yeah, if you can

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Speaker 1: watch it very legally on the Internet. I actually don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's on any streaming platform. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I watched it. I think it is because I watched

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Speaker 1: it with my family kind of recently, which was a

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Speaker 1: wild time. It's probably streaming. Oh it's it's an Apple

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Speaker 1: TV apparently. Yeah, so it's there. You can find it there.

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Speaker 1: You can find it in other places. It can it

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Speaker 1: can find it somewhere, both legally and illegally. If I'm

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Speaker 1: allowed to endorse, like h piracy on your podcast, it's

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Speaker 1: we we We did an entire episode about how the

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Speaker 1: pirate stuff. So yeah, so yeah, you can find it

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Speaker 1: both legally and illegally, and if you're lucky, I'm the

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Speaker 1: one seeding the Torrent. And then I say, okay, but

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Speaker 1: the other thing I actually should before you. If people

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Speaker 1: want to find you, where can they find you? I'm

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Speaker 1: it rules. It's so good it Yes, that is the

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Speaker 1: reason I'm famous now, it's just because my website is paying.

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