Speaker 1: It's nine O Gen one O Engine with Jenny Garth
Speaker 1: and Tory Spelling. We are here. Oh my gosh, you
Speaker 1: guys welcome to another episode of nine oh two one
Speaker 1: oh MG. And you guys are gonna omg right about now,
Speaker 1: because get ready for it. We have a guest host today.
Speaker 1: I'll let you just speak and then they'll know who
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: It's it's me, Tory spelling.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 2: I know that was terrible. It's it's fine.
Speaker 1: We have Brian Green with this today. This is so exciting.
Speaker 2: I'm in co hosting, filling in for Tory.
Speaker 1: You're filling in for Tory, which is so nice of you.
Speaker 1: We have never had you on the pod so well.
Speaker 2: So what's funny is I was sent an episode to
Speaker 2: watch last night.
Speaker 1: Did you watch it?
Speaker 2: I did, and I realized as I was watching through it,
Speaker 2: I've never watched a full episode of the show before.
Speaker 2: Was that a digital remaster of the show? Like I
Speaker 2: know that those just released?
Speaker 1: No, those are from Darren? Is that from Darren Mark? Yes,
Speaker 1: he sent the stick and we're able to use it.
Speaker 1: It's so much easier because some of the episodes are hidden,
Speaker 1: some of them are not on this platform or that
Speaker 1: platform for whatever reasons.
Speaker 2: I was shocked how good it looked. I know, like,
Speaker 2: I yeah, it looks like aside from the fact that
Speaker 2: it's like square format, which is odd to see, it
Speaker 2: looked really good.
Speaker 1: Wait, it's odd to see square format because the TVs
Speaker 1: used to be square.
Speaker 2: What they did? Yeah, because the TVs were square? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, when did they become rectangles?
Speaker 2: I know that's what's you You missed that time. Apparently
Speaker 2: that was like the end. I think it was the
Speaker 2: end of the nineties when it started. Really when a
Speaker 2: HD came up. HD is the by ten forty format,
Speaker 2: so it's all of a sudden, that's why you have
Speaker 2: like the wide screen everything now. So yeah, I used
Speaker 2: to be square and our show fit on a square
Speaker 2: square screen. Oh mab so any of the old shows
Speaker 2: that you watch, not just of nine O, two, one zero,
Speaker 2: but of anything, they're all square.
Speaker 1: To look at that little lesson technology lesson.
Speaker 2: Thanks. See that's why I'm here. That's that male energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the male energy is in the house today, guys.
Speaker 1: But I'm so glad that I I yeah, I was
Speaker 1: a little busy at the end of the nineties. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but I miss that.
Speaker 2: I was so busy. I literally never watched our show.
Speaker 1: I think that's great, here's watching it.
Speaker 2: And I was going like there were storylines where I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, get out of here, right,
Speaker 2: like Kelly being pregnant and the whole time.
Speaker 1: All the thing about this podcast is that Toy and
Speaker 1: I had never watched it back and now we've watched
Speaker 1: every single episode and it's been mind blowing and like
Speaker 1: so cathartic.
Speaker 2: In good way. Yes, and it really it's been. I
Speaker 2: was watching that episode, Oh my god, the choices that
Speaker 2: I made and what was I doing with my hair?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Did my shirt fit that way? Like I was picking up.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's what happens. But then you kind of get
Speaker 1: sucked in. So the more you watch, I did not
Speaker 1: don't even see those.
Speaker 2: I'm way too I'm way too narcissistic.
Speaker 1: To get something so vain. So I think the song
Speaker 1: this show is about you, but it really is. So Okay, Brian,
Speaker 1: I was so happy you're here. Today. We are going
Speaker 1: to recap the heck out of this show, you and me.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1: We're talking about season seven, episode twenty nine. Mother's Day
Speaker 1: aired Day seventh, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2: They sent me the right episode that would have sucked.
Speaker 1: No you, I heard you say, this is the right one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead give me that snops.
Speaker 2: Okay. First of all, can I just say how great
Speaker 2: it was seeing Joey Tata Kathleen in the opening credits.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that's so. It's so cool because
Speaker 2: like it automatically brought me back to the time period
Speaker 2: when we were doing it, and I remember it was
Speaker 2: so exciting when it was like, oh, NAT's going to
Speaker 2: be in the opening. Yeah, very it was very joined
Speaker 2: the kids and my my buddy Corn was in it.
Speaker 2: Ornemic here he was on the show. Quirky.
Speaker 1: Quirky, Yeah, quirky. But it's good. I think it's appropriate
Speaker 1: that he changed his name to korn. I well, I
Speaker 1: mean is just a little yeah, I mean for a
Speaker 1: guy his age now is.
Speaker 2: It kind of like when people change from like Joe,
Speaker 2: Like Joey Lawrence changed to Joe Lawrence. It's like, I
Speaker 2: you're known as Joey. I don't know, Like it's weird.
Speaker 2: Like I did his podcast and I kept calling him
Speaker 2: by his name and I was like, dude, I can't
Speaker 2: help it, Like I you're Joe, it happened, and he
Speaker 2: was like, of course, no problem.
Speaker 1: Do you want to read the synopsis or shall I you? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's an oive mother's day. Kelly is positively freaking out
Speaker 1: when ant flow doesn't come as planned, but Brandon Walsh
Speaker 1: takes the news like a man. Valerie plots a pea
Speaker 1: pad scheme that's a real stinker. Of course. Donna and
Speaker 1: David fall hook line and sinker. Meanwhile, Steve finds out
Speaker 1: that it's going to take a lot more than fresh
Speaker 1: air to fix his relationship with Claire. Directed by Chip Chalmers,
Speaker 1: written by the beautiful Jessica Klein. This is our producers.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, that was like on the DVDs in
Speaker 2: the box sets.
Speaker 1: And no, no, no, no, the producers of this podcast.
Speaker 1: Lorraine writes it to be specific.
Speaker 2: Because she's the producers of our show.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, no, they have nothing to do with this podcast.
Speaker 2: Brian got it.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see here. What do we want to talk
Speaker 1: about first? Which storyline do you want to jump into?
Speaker 2: So well, let's let's let's try and I I don't
Speaker 2: have it in front of me. But let's try and
Speaker 2: kind of cover it in order, Okay, I think right.
Speaker 2: So the first the first thing we see, you see
Speaker 2: is Kelly worried because she's six and a half days late, right,
Speaker 2: six and a half. Yeah, I watched it this morning.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got the half in there. I forgot
Speaker 1: about that. I just thought she was a few days late.
Speaker 1: But six and a half days. That's six and a
Speaker 1: half day yep.
Speaker 2: And you make a point of saying, Okay, well now
Speaker 2: I'm six and a half days late. So it's like
Speaker 2: that's the only reason that it's stuck out in my
Speaker 2: mind because that was a that was a line.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, good, I'm so glad you were listening. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's late and she's freaking out. You know, this whole episode,
Speaker 1: just in general, for me, was a very emotional, emotion full.
Speaker 2: Episode for you, for Kelly.
Speaker 1: For me as a view a fan.
Speaker 2: As a viewer, got okay, no, I thought.
Speaker 1: That there were so many great moments in this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah that you know, sometimes it doesn't all come together
Speaker 1: and everybody's kind of doing something else and there's no
Speaker 1: like thread through the whole thing. But this with the
Speaker 1: mother's day theme of it all and how that affected
Speaker 1: the different characters in different ways, and I thought it.
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, it was. It was interesting for sure. There.
Speaker 2: So of course, again as I said before, and watching it,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm watching all the things going wait,
Speaker 2: but you know, the characters just came from this scene.
Speaker 2: So why like, doesn't the continuity of the you know,
Speaker 2: of the tension matched into the So I'm picking apart
Speaker 2: all of the stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that about you because that's what I
Speaker 1: do well, because we just know too much.
Speaker 2: It was a job for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe sometimes we didn't do our job that great.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would bet that I didn't do my job very
Speaker 2: well like ninety eight percent of the time.
Speaker 1: No, I would say like maybe one of the time.
Speaker 2: Good okay.
Speaker 1: But I did love seeing our characters together in this episode.
Speaker 1: And I loved just the vulnerability of not just Kelly
Speaker 1: with the pregnancy, but also Donna with her relationship, and
Speaker 1: also David. You were very vulnerable with the the you know,
Speaker 1: evil twixting of val and that kind of Wait.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question because I don't remember
Speaker 2: and I don't watch any I haven't really seen any
Speaker 2: of them as I said before, how did David end
Speaker 2: up owning part of the After Dark? How? Like? How
Speaker 2: did because you've seen up until this point, so he
Speaker 2: how did he come into the money to do that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: How did that happen? Because I was watching it going wait,
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just gonna guess because you know me, Brian,
Speaker 1: I don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.
Speaker 2: You do this podcast. I know that's what.
Speaker 1: I watched the episode and I'm like, wait, what happened
Speaker 1: last season? No idea got it? Okay, but I think
Speaker 1: you got money from Grandma and Grandpa. You inherited some money,
Speaker 1: and then you wanted to invest in the peach Pit
Speaker 1: after Dark with Val? Were you guys boyfriend and girlfriend
Speaker 1: at that time? I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I think we must have been, because she then uses
Speaker 2: that as a ploy to get me to buy her
Speaker 2: out of.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question in this one? Were
Speaker 1: you Okay? So you guys dated in I r L Yeah?
Speaker 2: What in? What? In? I r L Yeah? What does
Speaker 2: that mean? Uh?
Speaker 1: In real life?
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's one of those new fangled right L
Speaker 2: O L I R yes, yes, sure?
Speaker 1: So when did you guys date what do you remember
Speaker 1: what years? Because I mean, that's a I don't know
Speaker 1: what when I dated who?
Speaker 2: But so we were actually dated. When when did she
Speaker 2: first come on? Season five?
Speaker 1: This is the fun part about show. You're going to
Speaker 1: ask me all these questions.
Speaker 2: And you're not going to know any of the answers. No, Well,
Speaker 2: welcome to this very special episode, this very special elderly
Speaker 2: like dementia.
Speaker 1: Our listeners know that I have a terrible memory. I'm
Speaker 1: not lying, and they know that this happens to every people.
Speaker 2: With horrible short term memory, and those and the swabs
Speaker 2: at the beginning of COVID, those long ones didn't help.
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna yeah, oops, yeah, those were We'd
Speaker 2: get to the end and I'd be like, did I
Speaker 2: eat breakfast this morning? I don't remember it all You
Speaker 2: you just scrubbed it all the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys did when she came on the show.
Speaker 2: So you're so we were already dating when she came
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 1: You were already dating, right.
Speaker 2: And then we had broken up by the point when
Speaker 2: we were.
Speaker 1: Dating on the show.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh yeah, that's the that's the really fun like
Speaker 2: you know that moment. Yeah, it was like Okay, now
Speaker 2: we've we've broken up, and now you're playing romantic.
Speaker 1: Because in the beginning she was playing love interests with
Speaker 1: everybody else.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how was that. I talked about it before.
Speaker 2: I was so jealous.
Speaker 1: Oh my, I can imagine I.
Speaker 2: Because that was my first relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you guys, were you like lived together ish shung.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we did live together. She lived in my house.
Speaker 2: And how old were years?
Speaker 1: Seventeen?
Speaker 2: I was seventeen or eighteen when we started, when we
Speaker 2: started actually dating, playing adults. Yeah, it was like it
Speaker 2: was a very I remember. It was a big like
Speaker 2: decision that I made and it was a big thing
Speaker 2: for me. So then when we when we broke up,
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they wrote the characters together,
Speaker 2: which is that that was just their classic form of torture.
Speaker 2: That's what twelve people don't know that the writers on
Speaker 2: nine O two one Oh, I think liked to, like
Speaker 2: in the closet torture us a little bit.
Speaker 1: That sounds really inappropriate, but.
Speaker 2: They would give us storylines where it was like really
Speaker 2: rough for us, and everybody else was like this is
Speaker 2: a great storyline. It was like, nah, this is a
Speaker 2: little too on the on the head for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always knew that there was that you are
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with her, with all the other love interests. But
Speaker 1: then to be broken was the crazy Did you do
Speaker 1: anything crazy ever in like a fit of rage? You know,
Speaker 1: like el Zeno, did you ever like lose your ship?
Speaker 2: Nobody ever did in el Zeno ever, Like I don't
Speaker 2: know if I've ever known anybody in life that pulled
Speaker 2: in el Zeno the way iron.
Speaker 1: We talk about that. We laugh about that because guys
Speaker 1: that you're listening, maybe you want to explain it.
Speaker 2: Prime Oh god, el Zeno was to come in that
Speaker 2: morning and to see the carnage of the hallway and
Speaker 2: the chair sticking out of the wall, and the mailboxes
Speaker 2: in the front, like you could tell they were crooked,
Speaker 2: so somebody tried ripping them down, Like were you like
Speaker 2: window was broken on the front. Yeah. I remember walking
Speaker 2: through going what.
Speaker 1: Did anybody but tell you what had happened? Or they're like,
Speaker 1: uh no.
Speaker 2: It wasn't until I walked back in the front I
Speaker 2: was like, why is there a chair sticking out of
Speaker 2: the all in the ladies room and and they I
Speaker 2: remember we had one of the red rolling lights and
Speaker 2: that was just completely destroyed on the on the ground,
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh yeah, I didn't like. He
Speaker 2: watched the episode last night and some stuff was edited
Speaker 2: out that he was really proud of. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a big day.
Speaker 2: That was a big day.
Speaker 1: But we, of course, because we're family, just liked to
Speaker 1: continually give him shit about that for the rest of
Speaker 1: his life.
Speaker 2: We coined El Zeno because that was during El Nino.
Speaker 1: Which is a big like storm, right, Yes, for.
Speaker 2: Sure, that was a big That was a big storm.
Speaker 2: They came out of out of Mexico, out of the
Speaker 2: coast there, so it was everything was like El Nino,
Speaker 2: La Nina came in, so El Nino and then El
Speaker 2: el Xeno.
Speaker 1: I loved it. He probably hates it. He probably hates
Speaker 1: it just as much as that picture that we always
Speaker 1: loved to show, which she hates.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the one of him bending over going
Speaker 2: Oh it's cool. I okay, you know what I hold on.
Speaker 2: You know what I did make a note of I
Speaker 2: have I wrote, I've never seen hair move as little
Speaker 2: as irons. He was driving a convertible and it never moved.
Speaker 1: Wow. Very observant.
Speaker 2: He was in the car driving and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: he has short hair, even short hair though you're in
Speaker 2: a convertible.
Speaker 1: If you were driving in a convertible, if David was
Speaker 1: driving in a convertible, your hair wouldn't move either.
Speaker 2: I was reminded how much hair spray we used on that,
Speaker 2: and how much Jelle I was using. That just wasn't
Speaker 2: I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, you're telling me you can't watch it
Speaker 1: and go back and appreciate that guy, that young man
Speaker 1: and his charm and his good looks.
Speaker 2: How were you when you first started doing this?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I was at a real pivotal place in my
Speaker 1: life where going back it was the right moment for
Speaker 1: me to go back and embrace that person in such
Speaker 1: a loving, gentle way. So normally I don't watch my work.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't enjoy watching my anything. I don't
Speaker 1: like somebody else do that for me. Yeah, but this
Speaker 1: has been a whole different experience because now as a
Speaker 1: grown woman and realizing you know what your past, how
Speaker 1: it leads your life, and you know what things stick,
Speaker 1: what things don't, what things really shaped you. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: this show was a massive part of my upbringing and
Speaker 1: all of our like you know, total like teenage, purely
Speaker 1: like adolescent, all those really important developmental years.
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to not watch stuff when I
Speaker 2: was younger acting in it and not immediately be brought
Speaker 2: back to what was going on in my life when
Speaker 2: I was doing that. So like nine O two one oh,
Speaker 2: for me, when I watch old episodes where I see
Speaker 2: little things, it reminds, it takes me right back to
Speaker 2: and immediately I'm like, oh my god, I was so
Speaker 2: like I had zero self confidence. Like I remember I
Speaker 2: remember being in the peach pit after dark set and
Speaker 2: it being full of people, and I was so like,
Speaker 2: I was so stressed about how everybody perceived me in
Speaker 2: what I was doing, and I would be I would
Speaker 2: get so like incredibly embarrassed. And you know, normally as
Speaker 2: an actor, like you try and get on a set
Speaker 2: and you try and put all that away and go
Speaker 2: it's a character. But the characters, those were us by
Speaker 2: season seven, and.
Speaker 1: I don't think we were seasoned enough as actors to
Speaker 1: really be able to delienate that, you know, make the difference.
Speaker 2: And they we weren't written The characters weren't written differently.
Speaker 2: They were written as us yeah, And I always say
Speaker 2: the time, people like it was easier for me earlier
Speaker 2: on in the show as an actor because they had
Speaker 2: very clear like concepts in mind of what David Silvia
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I loved David Silver pilot episode, Oh.
Speaker 2: My God, much so did I. And I got to say, like,
Speaker 2: I had way more self confidence playing an absolutely dopey
Speaker 2: dude that every like everybody wanted to push out of
Speaker 2: the web. Like I loved it. It was really fun,
Speaker 2: Like I would enjoy the reactions that I got from
Speaker 2: from people on set in saying things and doing things.
Speaker 2: And then as soon as the character started becoming more
Speaker 2: and more like me, and I started getting really self
Speaker 2: conscious of like, oh my god, now people are viewing
Speaker 2: David Silver, but it's such a combination of myself and
Speaker 2: this character. Ooh. If they think something's dopey and ridiculous,
Speaker 2: they think I'm dopey and ridiculous. So it was it
Speaker 2: became harder and harder to separate and differentiate between the two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think at that time too, as young,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, people, we didn't have that sort of
Speaker 1: like sense of confidence.
Speaker 2: We were seventeen when we started shooting, So from seventeen
Speaker 2: to twenty seven.
Speaker 1: You act like you were so much younger than me.
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, wasn't I?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I was?
Speaker 2: Was I old than I am? Well?
Speaker 1: How by how much?
Speaker 2: I don't know, And I don't want to call it
Speaker 2: out here because.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty three. How old are you?
Speaker 2: I'm fifty two, so you're one year older?
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, one year older? Whoop do you do?
Speaker 1: I'm one year older? Sorry.
Speaker 2: Didn't you feel a difference though, age wise between Tory
Speaker 2: and I and you? And no? No?
Speaker 1: I think because I was kind of in the middle,
Speaker 1: so I could go both ways, you know, I didn't feel.
Speaker 2: I remember our stuff was always super fun, but like I,
Speaker 2: I always felt like you were way older than me
Speaker 2: because that's what we played like. That was the relationship
Speaker 2: with the characters in the beginning, and again in the beginning,
Speaker 2: they were such carved out.
Speaker 1: Characters, very specific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was like, oh, we hated each other,
Speaker 2: and Kelly was horrified when David was around, and David
Speaker 2: just you know, couldn't look past doubt. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: completely obsessed. And it was so much fun. Like I
Speaker 2: remember when we were shooting stuff and we would be
Speaker 2: laughing at like how ridiculous it was, and we would
Speaker 2: be coming up with these ridiculous ways of playing stuff,
Speaker 2: and then that just that gave way to sort of
Speaker 2: this mundane Oh my god, we're playing versions of ourselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how do how do you know? It was? It was
Speaker 2: really hard differentiating. I remember by the time it ended,
Speaker 2: I was I had started coming around and like finding
Speaker 2: my self confidence again. But it was really it took
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, I watched the whole thing. I saw
Speaker 1: this young not you know boy coming off of a
Speaker 1: big show. You had this confidence about you even though
Speaker 1: you were the younger guy, and you were so comfortable
Speaker 1: in that place. And then I saw as you grew
Speaker 1: up and you know, things changed for you personally, and
Speaker 1: then work obviously changed because of it. Like I saw
Speaker 1: all the growth in that period, and I do. I
Speaker 1: do remember like you coming back sort of like owning
Speaker 1: your power and your voice and your position there. And
Speaker 1: by the end, which was nice, Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: We were all doing it. We were all trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all sort of found We went through a lot.
Speaker 2: Like I was, I was thinking back to, like I
Speaker 2: remember working in my studio at home with Dan and
Speaker 2: like work on music and stuff, Like wait.
Speaker 1: Really, oh yeah this is Dan. He's talking about my
Speaker 1: first husband's husband, not legal, but first husband. I got
Speaker 1: married to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I crazy. I sat in the studio we were
Speaker 2: working on stuff because you had.
Speaker 1: Did I ask you? I was like, can you help him?
Speaker 2: I feel like you did.
Speaker 1: Like, were you like, hey, let's jam buddy?
Speaker 2: No? No, no no, because we our styles were very different.
Speaker 2: He was like alt rock and I was hip hop.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then you asked like, oh, can you guys work
Speaker 2: on on some stuff? And I was like, I guess,
Speaker 2: like we can try and combine the two. It never
Speaker 2: went anywhere so trying.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for trying. But it's just I mean, we
Speaker 1: could talk a long time I think about because you
Speaker 1: and I've never really sat down had a conversation about
Speaker 1: the impact that the show had on us in our development, yeah,
Speaker 1: and how that ended up for us now here today.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to unpack there, which I I love.
Speaker 2: That would be a very special episode of.
Speaker 1: All Right. So Kelly might be pregnant, Kelly might be pregnant.
Speaker 1: Donna's a very good friend.
Speaker 2: Donna's very good friend. I remember that there was the
Speaker 2: scene where was it Donna that reached out to Brandon
Speaker 2: was like, you need to get over here right now,
Speaker 2: and he was like panicked, And.
Speaker 1: No, I think it was Kelly. I mean, Donna said
Speaker 1: you should call him, and then Kelly called him, okay,
Speaker 1: and because she just was like she needed some support
Speaker 1: stuff with you.
Speaker 2: And Jason was really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really believe it.
Speaker 2: Really well, like really connected and it seemed like a
Speaker 2: really loving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a champ, like you know. Of course,
Speaker 1: she was nervous to tell him and terrified and completely
Speaker 1: just out of her mind, and I think that really translated.
Speaker 1: And I think that his reaction was written so beautifully
Speaker 1: because that's probably not the typical reaction from a guy
Speaker 1: his he's twenty two, maybe sure, but I think that
Speaker 1: it was I know I instantly fell back more whatever
Speaker 1: in love with Brandon and Jason in that moment because
Speaker 1: he was so dear and kind and gentle, yeah, impatient.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was great. He was very just very mature
Speaker 2: in the way that he handled it like it's It
Speaker 2: was funny to watch because like I've always known, like, oh,
Speaker 2: Brandon was this character that was sort of the moral
Speaker 2: the morality of the show like he you know, Brandon
Speaker 2: and Brenda were the two that like brought us back
Speaker 2: to what is right? So, like I remember when he
Speaker 2: was gone, it was a little kind of like, okay.
Speaker 1: Now wait, Dad's gone.
Speaker 2: What are we going to know? Who was that? Like? Yeah,
Speaker 2: now what are we going to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he handled that really did well though. Like as
Speaker 2: an actor, I was, I really enjoyed watching the stuff
Speaker 2: with Kelly and Brandon.
Speaker 1: So this aired in nineteen ninety seven and we are
Speaker 1: openly talking about teenage abortion. What other show was doing
Speaker 1: that at this time? I mean maybe by this time
Speaker 1: we had had other.
Speaker 2: Late nineties, I think there were other.
Speaker 1: Shows life and different shows.
Speaker 2: Party of five was on. I think it was people
Speaker 2: were starting to like really get into it.
Speaker 1: I never watched any of those shows. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you did. I never had any time to watch TV.
Speaker 2: I did see a couple episodes of Party of Five.
Speaker 2: That show was fantastic, Like they had really I remember
Speaker 2: Scott Wolf was dealing with alcoholism and drug abuse or
Speaker 2: his character was, and it was like they did a
Speaker 2: they brought everybody together and they started it was just
Speaker 2: really well all handled this though, was really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I didn't feel like as a viewer,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't know that this was coming. Like
Speaker 1: I you know, this whole storyline I never saw coming,
Speaker 1: and I was like, whoa, Okay, we're going there. And
Speaker 1: I know that I Jenny was pregnant in real.
Speaker 2: Life, so I could so I could tell that you
Speaker 2: were hiding it in scenes. And when you came out
Speaker 2: in the very beginning and you had like a nightgown
Speaker 2: like pajamas, I could see the belly underneath, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, she was already high.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, this is the year of Luca's birth, so
Speaker 1: that Luca. I think it's interesting that they wrote did
Speaker 1: they write this in? I don't know if that came from,
Speaker 1: you know, me being really pregnant or just a great story,
Speaker 1: like crazy thing for the characters. It couldn't have been
Speaker 1: a coincidence. I think, you know, we know what we
Speaker 1: know about how they really tried to use us as
Speaker 1: real teenagers and get storylines from our real lives. So
Speaker 1: but I she's she's tested pregnant on the drug store test,
Speaker 1: and she's going to go to the doctor, So I
Speaker 1: do not know if she really is pregnant.
Speaker 2: I do not know what, Yeah, what is the outcome?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna have to watch more episodes, but I'm
Speaker 2: definitely intrigued. I was like, wait, what.
Speaker 1: I think you should join us every week from here
Speaker 1: on out watching an episode. O.
Speaker 2: Thank thank you for the infante. Right.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you ask you why why does it
Speaker 1: you just can't watch yourself or is it the show
Speaker 1: and as a whole.
Speaker 2: It's a I don't It's just like there was a
Speaker 2: lot going on for me time wise. I so like
Speaker 2: I did watch the show and think, oh my god,
Speaker 2: Like I really feel like there were some missed opportunities
Speaker 2: of like some funny stuff and whatever the reboot that
Speaker 2: we did, you know, and I wish we had, like
Speaker 2: just because because the show was incredibly melodramatic. You think
Speaker 2: you're watching these storylines and you're going, oh my god,
Speaker 2: and then like the sad music plays through and the.
Speaker 1: Things actor looks away.
Speaker 2: God. Yeah, it was all like you know, in the
Speaker 2: camera moves and the things the zooms is, So it
Speaker 2: would have been that would have been super funny to
Speaker 2: like do more of reboot. I always had a very different,
Speaker 2: like meta concept for the reboot of we were already
Speaker 2: doing this rebooted show, so it was like this like
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, but then also on set on the characters,
Speaker 2: so people got a little more of a book.
Speaker 1: We were trying to get there, but we didn't have
Speaker 1: enough ramp onto that freeway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot. I mean, that's a that was
Speaker 2: a hard show. I think too, like re reboot, because
Speaker 2: the audience there are like our diehard audience. They wanted
Speaker 2: something that we weren't willing to give. I gave.
Speaker 1: I still think we were willing or ready or I
Speaker 1: gave ten years. I mean, because I remember having the
Speaker 1: initial conversation with you and thinking, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's going to do it. He's really on the fence.
Speaker 1: But you did see it as an opportunity to do
Speaker 1: something different, in new and refreshing and come at it
Speaker 1: from a different angle.
Speaker 2: I remember I really championed that idea because it was
Speaker 2: like listen, I genuinely felt like, if anything was going
Speaker 2: to bring it back together, a concept like that would
Speaker 2: be the thing, because if it was just a straight reboot,
Speaker 2: Oh we want you to come back, We're going to
Speaker 2: see where David Silver is now, and you know, and
Speaker 2: you were very against that. I was like, nope, that
Speaker 2: was and that had been brought to us a few
Speaker 2: different times.
Speaker 1: Well let me ask you this then, or do you
Speaker 1: still feel the same way. Would you would you never
Speaker 1: play David Silver again?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you would?
Speaker 1: Or you would?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: You would never say yes to a reboot of that,
Speaker 1: like where you're playing a straight character. Never is a
Speaker 1: very strong word.
Speaker 2: There would have to be something really interesting about it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want I would not want to come back
Speaker 2: and just play continue the show.
Speaker 1: Just random storylines, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there would have to be something really interesting about
Speaker 2: it where it was like as an actor, oh that's fun,
Speaker 2: Like that's a that's an interesting reason for me. Something's
Speaker 2: got to motivate me other than just doing the show
Speaker 2: and sort of the paycheck of it, Like it's I
Speaker 2: love the concept of doing something for the fan base,
Speaker 2: but it would have to be something that fulfills me. Also,
Speaker 2: if I'm just on set doing what we did for
Speaker 2: ten years, I'd be miserable.
Speaker 1: Well, we probably wouldn't be going for ten years. That
Speaker 1: really doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 2: Totally, although you never know. Yeah, who knows? How many
Speaker 2: seasons now have you done of this.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna do ten because there's ten seasons in
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, did you think you'd be doing a podcast
Speaker 2: and doing ten seasons of it?
Speaker 1: No? I really didn't even think that through when we
Speaker 1: started this podcast, of course. Not no, but it goes
Speaker 1: quicker than the first.
Speaker 2: We never did when we were doing the show. No,
Speaker 2: we had no call to me. It was like it
Speaker 2: was a fun pilot. Okay, cool and nice to meet
Speaker 2: you all, and then like.
Speaker 1: Oh, we get to go and do this every day. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fun. I like the people we get to. They
Speaker 1: have good craft service here, like my clothes.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. It was so crazy to the pickups
Speaker 2: we were getting of, like you're picked up for three
Speaker 2: more seasons. Remember those calls where it was like you're kid,
Speaker 2: like holy.
Speaker 1: And thirty three episodes a season?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, god, so many episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bananas, bananas. We did it though. I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of us. We did it. We finished it, and you
Speaker 1: know what, there's something like we've talked about it before.
Speaker 1: I think like this is the gift that keeps on
Speaker 1: giving and not just I'm not talking about money, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about fame. I'm not talking about any of that.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like our relationships and the depth of
Speaker 1: the history we all have together, and the fact that
Speaker 1: we're just bound together for eternity, like when you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen it, when Luke died, when Shannon died. It's
Speaker 1: all of us, and it's going to be that way
Speaker 1: when the rest of us go. You know, we're always
Speaker 1: going to be associated with.
Speaker 2: One another, whether you like it or not, Like we
Speaker 2: are this. I always equate us to like plane crash
Speaker 2: survivors that have this shared experience that nobody else understands
Speaker 2: except for the people that were in it, and so
Speaker 2: our bond through it all. Oh yeah, how can we
Speaker 2: not create a bond? How it's we grew.
Speaker 1: Up in those hallways in eyes.
Speaker 2: We grew up in those hallways and van eyes, and
Speaker 2: then we also grew up having the experiences we had
Speaker 2: on weekends, like doing these appearances and these things where
Speaker 2: it was like, oh my god, what is what's going on? Yeah?
Speaker 2: How are this many people showing up to a thing?
Speaker 2: Why do they give a shit that I'm there? Like
Speaker 2: this is so this is so strange. The whole experience
Speaker 2: was so surreal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still messed with your head a little bit.
Speaker 2: Probably. I still tell stories, and I don't I don't
Speaker 2: feel like I'm telling stories about myself, like I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm sharing other people's stories because I don't, like
Speaker 2: I remember the visuals of myself being in it, but
Speaker 2: it still seems unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Like an out of body thing that happened.
Speaker 2: I in an eye in Spain and like all these
Speaker 2: crazy stories where it's like, oh my god, that's right.
Speaker 2: Like I go to Spain now to work and there
Speaker 2: aren't fifteen thousand people that show up at the airport instead.
Speaker 1: That's not You're like, wait, where is everybody right?
Speaker 2: That whole? I mean, my popularity is really much like
Speaker 2: you do an appearance and there's five people and they
Speaker 2: like fairly clap.
Speaker 1: I'm curious from a man's perspective, because there was talk
Speaker 1: about this between Kelly and Brandon. It's your decision, it's
Speaker 1: our decision kind of talk, like, Kelly, you get to
Speaker 1: choose what you want to do with this, this is
Speaker 1: your He even says it's your decision. But I was like,
Speaker 1: and Kelly was very like, it's our decision. But I
Speaker 1: do think it's It's just how did you feel about
Speaker 1: that as a man, like if you were in that position.
Speaker 2: I think ultimately it is a the woman's decision because
Speaker 2: you have to go through pregnancy and child like it's
Speaker 2: it is. It's a life altering thing in very different
Speaker 2: ways between a man and a woman. Like I think
Speaker 2: I think a man's job in a lot of ways
Speaker 2: starts more toward the end of pregnancy and childbirth. But
Speaker 2: it's like you've got to do a woman asked to
Speaker 2: do seven eight months on her you know, I wasn't
Speaker 2: waking up with like morning sickness and things like that.
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't going through those things, So it's easy
Speaker 2: for me to be like, oh no, we'll make this work.
Speaker 2: It'll be great. It's like it's sure, you know. That's
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if a man
Speaker 2: can really say that. I think. I think when you
Speaker 2: are married, it's a very different joint decision because now
Speaker 2: it's like, how is is our life ready for this?
Speaker 2: Whereas when you're not, it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: we were dating, we could not be dating.
Speaker 1: In another Yeah, it was interesting, Brandon said, like at
Speaker 1: first he was like, we can handle a baby, we
Speaker 1: can do this we we we wee wait, and then
Speaker 1: it wasn't until Kelly was like, it's not we, it's me.
Speaker 1: Is this happened to me? Yes, it's happening to you too,
Speaker 1: but it has to end up being my choice. And
Speaker 1: I think that scene, did you do you remember the
Speaker 1: scene with Kelly and Jackie in the in the bathroom,
Speaker 1: dark bathroom?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What?
Speaker 1: Mom? Like she fully comes back at her with exactly
Speaker 1: what she shouldn't have, like, how could you let this
Speaker 1: happen to yourself?
Speaker 2: Right? So I had It's it's funny, like I am
Speaker 2: watching it. I wish because I know you could have
Speaker 2: done it really well. I really wish that they would
Speaker 2: have had a little more connection with Kelly being pregnant
Speaker 2: and being emotional within all of it, just chemically on
Speaker 2: top of it. So the things you were saying and
Speaker 2: the and some of the reactions, people were like, she's
Speaker 2: allowed to have these, but it seemed a little more
Speaker 2: like you're watching as a rational human being and you're like, God,
Speaker 2: she's really overacting, you know, like overreacting to this situation,
Speaker 2: Like why is she so so frustrated or annoyed with
Speaker 2: this person? And it's like, Okay, if you put yourself
Speaker 2: in her shoes. She's going through all of it right now.
Speaker 2: So I wish they would have like did a deeper
Speaker 2: dive into that, because I know you could have really
Speaker 2: played this out of that, but I think it would
Speaker 2: have been really fun for you to do, like to
Speaker 2: be to play the manic side of it all.
Speaker 1: She was very level headed, which I like for Kelly
Speaker 1: because she's not always historically been level headed, right And
Speaker 1: I think now at this stage as a character, she's
Speaker 1: more sort of secure in herself and realizes that she's
Speaker 1: on her own ultimately and she needs to take care
Speaker 1: of herself, you know. I think she stopped putting that
Speaker 1: on her father and on the guys that she was with,
Speaker 1: so now she just feels like more mature, I think
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and there's no more mature of a story, no,
Speaker 2: And I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure that there were so many girls you know, that
Speaker 1: had grown up with us for these seven seasons so far,
Speaker 1: and that had experienced this, you know, or you know,
Speaker 1: had had to have these talks with their moms or
Speaker 1: their boyfriends, and like how much they could. I was
Speaker 1: literally glued to the TV set just watching it as
Speaker 1: a pure fan of there.
Speaker 2: Because you've watched all the episodes leading up to it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're completely invested in these characters you've created separation. I
Speaker 2: watched this episode and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: we were on a show, you know. I see it.
Speaker 2: I see the opening credits and I see my name,
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh my god, like I remember. So
Speaker 2: I'm not invested the same way. I'm way more. I
Speaker 2: was watching it again from a much more like narcissistic
Speaker 2: self judging as an actor place.
Speaker 1: I just want you to keep watching it so you
Speaker 1: can appreciate the show fully, like the way the fans did,
Speaker 1: you know. And I didn't realize that what even happened
Speaker 1: to me when I started. I would be like rolling
Speaker 1: my eyes at stuff in the beginning, but for sure,
Speaker 1: I mean now, it's just I'm so into it. I'm
Speaker 1: a super fan. I've got the look, I've got the
Speaker 1: googly guys.
Speaker 2: This show this like I was. I was watching it
Speaker 2: and then Noah came in and I said, oh, you
Speaker 2: should watch this show because Noah just turned thirteen. It's
Speaker 2: like it's it's appropriate.
Speaker 1: Now did he recognize you that you?
Speaker 2: I know? I said, I was like, this is my
Speaker 2: old show. Oh and Zaan was in here too, the
Speaker 2: three year old who he looked at it for a
Speaker 2: second and was like, oh that is you know, that's you,
Speaker 2: and then he went he flew in the other room
Speaker 2: and did what three year olds do. Good.
Speaker 1: Thank god.
Speaker 2: But it's but it's funny. Like I in watching it,
Speaker 2: I could see the appeal within that age group of
Speaker 2: what it is we were making. Because and especially that's
Speaker 2: why I asked you in the beginning, like is this
Speaker 2: one of the digitally remastered ones? Like what? Because it
Speaker 2: looked so good and I was watching it genuinely going,
Speaker 2: so it looks like a good show. Yeah, like I
Speaker 2: see what the kids are watching. Oh yeah, I see
Speaker 2: all the other stuff and what we were doing like
Speaker 2: absolutely not only hell holds up, but was really good.
Speaker 2: Like they were. I'd see where our budget was going,
Speaker 2: aside from you know, like paychecks to everybody. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're really The way it was shot, the way it
Speaker 2: was lit, the way everything it was really it was legit.
Speaker 2: It was legit. It was a real show.
Speaker 1: If nothing else, take that away from you having to
Speaker 1: watch an episode for our podcast today. It just now
Speaker 1: like it's good to hear you like being proud of
Speaker 1: it and recognizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really watched it, and I was like, no,
Speaker 2: we were. It was a real It was a real
Speaker 2: show because it didn't feel like it to me when
Speaker 2: we were making it, because we were shooting it fan eyes.
Speaker 2: We had these long days we were shooting the double
Speaker 2: up episodes and the things.
Speaker 1: We were literally just doing our job, punching our survive.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, God, I want to get through
Speaker 2: the days so I can get home because I have
Speaker 2: all this other stuff going on. And so it was
Speaker 2: like you try and get home and you had your
Speaker 2: separate life. But then as the storylines started, they started
Speaker 2: writing more based on what our actual lives were, it
Speaker 2: was harder to go home and separate from the it was.
Speaker 2: It became this really like tumultuous time near the end
Speaker 2: for me, I know for sure. I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to separate the right. I want to
Speaker 2: get home and I want to just be home and
Speaker 2: focus on my home life. But I can't.
Speaker 1: But you can't cause you go home and you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: who am I?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Really am I Do I think this way? Or do
Speaker 1: I think that way?
Speaker 2: I was like I was, and you know, they had
Speaker 2: me doing all of this stuff for David. So like
Speaker 2: later on in the run of it, like you know,
Speaker 2: when David was performing songs on the show, like I
Speaker 2: was making those songs in my studio at home. So
Speaker 2: it's you just become less and less Like I would
Speaker 2: get home and Okay, I've really got to finish this
Speaker 2: thing because Ken Miller needs it by tomorrow night. You know,
Speaker 2: it needs to be submitted and go into the edit
Speaker 2: and stuff. And we shoot it in two days. So
Speaker 2: it was like I just the I can't. I was
Speaker 2: coming from a very a place of like, this is
Speaker 2: a machine, and I didn't feel the same like appreciation
Speaker 2: for it at the time because it was so hard,
Speaker 2: don't know, it was so hard making that show. By
Speaker 2: the end, we were it was a crazy, greased up
Speaker 2: machine that we were just sort of in on. And
Speaker 2: I always say, you know, the personal stuff and the
Speaker 2: things that we were going through at times, and I
Speaker 2: to me, I'm always curious to have those conversations with
Speaker 2: people because it's like, God, I know what I was
Speaker 2: going through, Like what were you going through at that point?
Speaker 2: Because you hear mixed stories and it's like, Okay, people
Speaker 2: aren't you know, we aren't like normally difficult people, but
Speaker 2: we were going. We were there for ten years and
Speaker 2: we went through difficult things. So how then did those
Speaker 2: come across on set when we were just having those
Speaker 2: days where it was like, I can't I.
Speaker 1: Think people I felt in general, not even now looking back,
Speaker 1: I feel like people the crew, our bubble, they had
Speaker 1: such compassion I think for us as just humans and
Speaker 1: what was being asked of us and what we were
Speaker 1: going through developmentally or in our home lives. And I
Speaker 1: always felt that they had places in their heart to
Speaker 1: really give us that allowance to kind of sure not
Speaker 1: do great sometimes. So that was a good thing that
Speaker 1: we had.
Speaker 2: It's all about having that support system they were we
Speaker 2: through all ten seasons. Even though crew changed and yeah,
Speaker 2: people in positions changed, it was still they came into
Speaker 2: a machine that was already running a certain way. So
Speaker 2: they stepped in and I think quickly found their footing
Speaker 2: within it. I remember playing Backammon with Billy Greens like
Speaker 2: towards the end, because he just came in and was like,
Speaker 2: just got it. Everybody they came in got it. You know,
Speaker 2: when we were cycling through makeup and hair and the
Speaker 2: trailer and guest stars and things like. We really had
Speaker 2: this machine going at that point, and it was a
Speaker 2: real God it shouldn't have worked as well as it did,
Speaker 2: but it worked. I mean we were a very complicated bunch,
Speaker 2: but also incredibly professional, like incredibly just showing up for your.
Speaker 1: Call time at six am every day?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what for sure?
Speaker 1: Sixteen seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty year old person is
Speaker 1: that responsible.
Speaker 2: Especially at the height of success.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had right when there's tons of stuff going
Speaker 1: on at home in your personal.
Speaker 2: Life crazily just spun out of control and not been there.
Speaker 2: So no, we held it together. Surprisingly wealthy.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of us, speaking of the support of environment.
Speaker 1: You know, this episode was dedicated to car to my
Speaker 1: makeup artist. Do you remember him?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do, Carlos Yankey, Yeah, yeah, I remember just being
Speaker 1: so you know, one day he did my makeup and
Speaker 1: the next day he was dead. Like it was so traumatic.
Speaker 2: I remember when he didn't show up and everybody was like,
Speaker 2: Where's where's Carlo, What's going on? And then that he
Speaker 2: passed and was like wait what Yeah, shocking overnight.
Speaker 1: I remember just being so thrown again.
Speaker 2: We were young, like I to hear it. Now it's
Speaker 2: I I can wrap my head around it a little easier.
Speaker 2: But at that point we were young and loss just
Speaker 2: was not It wasn't on my radar at all. Like
Speaker 2: I still felt like a superhero.
Speaker 1: Well, Carlos, this one was for you, and I'm missed
Speaker 1: you ever since. So yeah, let's talk about Donna and
Speaker 1: David's storyline. Okay and David, they're starting to get all
Speaker 1: like Lucy Goosey, heat it up. They remember that scene
Speaker 1: duck duck What was it, Lucy goosey, duck duck goose goosey,
Speaker 1: You remember that. I don't know what. It just popped
Speaker 1: into my head was when Jim and Cindy went to
Speaker 1: the the jacuzzi with the swingers. You don't remember that, now,
Speaker 1: I see, I do remember things.
Speaker 2: Because you've watched them. Yeah, you have that like you're
Speaker 2: you're so lucky. You could be lucky to Brian mm hmmm, No,
Speaker 2: because I would have to watch seven seasons of this
Speaker 2: thing to catch up.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we don't, binge. We watched one at
Speaker 1: a week. That's the fun part of it is that
Speaker 1: we're watching it like they had to watch it back then.
Speaker 1: Back then, yeah, we're not allowed to. Sometimes I believe
Speaker 1: the rules, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean, you're not allowed the rules against How would anybody
Speaker 2: know we can dinge all ten years over a weekend
Speaker 2: and then just pretend like you're watching one a week.
Speaker 1: I actually would not be able to do that because
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have any retention for what episode?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Okay, So Donna and David they're getting more in love,
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 2: Donna and David had it's I in watching that, it
Speaker 2: was a hard one for me to follow because I
Speaker 2: was like, wait, okay, where you know, I whenever I
Speaker 2: see little flashes of things, I most of the time
Speaker 2: judge by hairstyle, where we were in life and what
Speaker 2: was going on, It's like, oh okay, David out of
Speaker 2: shaved head. Okay, so that was what like, you know,
Speaker 2: I put those things together. So I yeah, they seemed
Speaker 2: like romantically like things were great. But I.
Speaker 1: And he says he's finally understands now her desire to
Speaker 1: wait until she's married to have sex with him, right,
Speaker 1: which is so big. That's like a in that moment
Speaker 1: when he's like, I finally get it, it felt do
Speaker 1: you he do you think he didn't get it? You
Speaker 1: just said that I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know only because just I feel like you
Speaker 2: got it storylines and the stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was like, he's been he's he's worked.
Speaker 1: You didn't see this part, but he's been frustrated, he's
Speaker 1: we've seen all this, like the things that he had
Speaker 1: to work through. But now he really loves her and
Speaker 1: so this means something to him too, which I think
Speaker 1: is in that one line you say, I'm not waiting
Speaker 1: for you, I'm waiting for us, and that was Oh
Speaker 1: I got the.
Speaker 2: Chick, incredibly sweet.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. And as a viewer, you're like, Donna and
Speaker 1: David are so cute together, David and they're young love.
Speaker 2: You want them to.
Speaker 1: Succeed, You want her to So it's coming, it's happening soon.
Speaker 1: The weight is almost over.
Speaker 2: My friend. But then I know that it goes south
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 1: I don't. But apparently there are other boyfriends at donna house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, what we've worked so hard.
Speaker 2: To get it comes in right? Isn't right? After? No?
Speaker 2: Before this?
Speaker 1: But there's more to come. There's more boys. Apparently there's
Speaker 1: three more three more seasons, two more seasons.
Speaker 2: Almost Yeah, it can't just be like other in love
Speaker 2: and then we ride that out to the end. That
Speaker 2: wasn't the style of our show now and there when.
Speaker 1: You think about it, there is actually so much more
Speaker 1: to see before it ends that I don't know how
Speaker 1: they're going to cram all of this stuff for each
Speaker 1: of these characters in the next two seasons, but they will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll see it.
Speaker 1: I will see it. So did you feel like as
Speaker 1: David though, were you as Brian, were you asking for
Speaker 1: them to move the relationship along with Donna? Or because
Speaker 1: were you did you want to continue that story Learner?
Speaker 1: Were You're like, I gotta go do other things. Do
Speaker 1: you remember?
Speaker 2: No, I really like that David and Donna's storyline historically,
Speaker 2: like I thought there was I thought it was really sweet,
Speaker 2: and it was really young and genuine, and I love
Speaker 2: the fact that our characters kind of went in different
Speaker 2: directions and experienced things, but then we always kind of
Speaker 2: found each other at the end of it all, and
Speaker 2: the characters came back together. And I know that that happened.
Speaker 2: A few times watching this, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: they're back together now, and.
Speaker 1: You've had some Yeah, you've done some things, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did. We had some obstacles, we had some
Speaker 2: people around. It was a it was a really sweet.
Speaker 2: It was sweet, but it got like really spicy, like
Speaker 2: there was.
Speaker 1: They're making like hardcore making making out in the restaurant,
Speaker 1: in the in the peach pit, they're making out at
Speaker 1: Mother's Day breakfast or whatever. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: get a room, you guys.
Speaker 2: Appropriate, super inappropriate, Like why are we standing off at
Speaker 2: the you know, yeah, it's a Mother's Day brunch and
Speaker 2: they're sitting at the table and they're so calm. They're like, oh, look,
Speaker 2: how sweet that is.
Speaker 1: No, I would not my as a mother. I would
Speaker 1: not say that. As a mother. I'd be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, can you guys stop?
Speaker 2: What are they doing? You'd be yelling stop it.
Speaker 1: But I did ask myself, why are you Why would
Speaker 1: you wear that giant T shirt to the Mother's Day breakfast?
Speaker 2: It's because that's all I wore. It was Giant T shirts, Giant.
Speaker 2: That was one of the things in watching the show
Speaker 2: is I was watching wardrobe going, oh my god, those
Speaker 2: pants were huge. And it wasn't just mine. Jason had
Speaker 2: some pants on at one point walking on the beach.
Speaker 1: Well, he had his big giant dockers, Like what are
Speaker 1: those called big dockers?
Speaker 2: She knows, Yeah, they were massive.
Speaker 1: And I remember he didn't want to take his shoes
Speaker 1: off on that beach scene. So Kelly is walking, because
Speaker 1: you do when you walk on the beach, take your.
Speaker 2: If you do. Except we shot at very questionable beaches.
Speaker 1: That's true. We were on like Venice Beach or something,
Speaker 1: for sure, dodging needles exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I understand not wanting to take your shoes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, David and Donna went for it. And then
Speaker 2: the whole David and Valerie storyline was funny because I
Speaker 2: don't I didn't remember that, Like, I didn't remember that
Speaker 2: David is the one that bought her or in watching this,
Speaker 2: bought Valerie out of the club.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I didn't even remember that David owned.
Speaker 1: He's a part owner, and yeah, wasn't.
Speaker 2: But Steve is the one that started.
Speaker 1: He was like the man, Yeah he was, Like I
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be the guy behind it,
Speaker 1: but it ended up being you. And now she's conniving
Speaker 1: this character. Val has almost no redeeming qualities really other
Speaker 1: than she's beautiful, right, and sometimes we see the soft
Speaker 1: side of her. Sometimes we do see like the reason
Speaker 1: why she is the way she is, but not enough
Speaker 1: because she does so many devilish things like right, like
Speaker 1: this like purposefully come like you see her wheels turning?
Speaker 2: How does this end up? Does it? Does David buy?
Speaker 1: I hope?
Speaker 2: So I don't know the club? I mean I assume
Speaker 2: because David's like, yeah, get the paperwork together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes, You're out of business.
Speaker 2: Ouch. I love, I love like the bad scene ending
Speaker 2: lines You're out of business as he storms out, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, I thought he was so cool, like such
Speaker 2: a dopey line. Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 1: Good, ridiculous. She got exactly what she wanted again, but
Speaker 1: it will eventually backfire her on her because she's conniving
Speaker 1: with Kelly's dad at this point, she's conniving with with
Speaker 1: the the guy that works for Kelly's dad Corn that character.
Speaker 2: Right. Wait, so Kelly's dad runs.
Speaker 1: The No, She's pulled him into this web of hers
Speaker 1: thinking this is how I'm gonna get back at Kelly. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get her dad.
Speaker 2: To Like I was watching this and I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: where does this storyline go? Because corn have the whole
Speaker 2: thing of like, oh, your money's going to go into
Speaker 2: this and then it's all gonna be great and you're
Speaker 2: gonna be rich beyond your wildest dreams. Does she then
Speaker 2: lose it all?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, that's why you watch next week.
Speaker 2: No, you just have to tell me.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll send you the synopsis.
Speaker 2: I'll see you at the next convention and you'll be like,
Speaker 2: so here's the t Valerie lost it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we see also the breaking down kind of
Speaker 1: of Claire and Steve's relationship. It's it's been happening like
Speaker 1: it's they're just not good together. I know Amy, who
Speaker 1: usually does the show with us, she's super fan Jesus
Speaker 1: cannot stand the character of val and oh really, and
Speaker 1: she cannot stand the relationship between Steve and Claire really
Speaker 1: because she's like, they're always fighting. It's not fun to watch.
Speaker 1: It's not realistic.
Speaker 2: Stephen Claire were a fun relationship though, when they like
Speaker 2: I So, I don't. And I think it was because
Speaker 2: you know we would do these We didn't. We weren't
Speaker 2: doing our table reads at this point. It wasn't until
Speaker 2: like season eight nine ten, that we were kind of
Speaker 2: sitting in the office and doing those, so I had
Speaker 2: no idea what the other storylines were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, we were always only doing our storylines.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would just read through the script.
Speaker 1: I'd go, okay, but my part, my part, my part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were getting so many scripts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't have time to watch to read the
Speaker 1: whole thing, and we never had read through, so we
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know anything that was happening with the
Speaker 1: other characters. That's again why it's so fun to watch,
Speaker 1: because you're like, oh man, there's so much more to
Speaker 1: the show than.
Speaker 2: I remember, knew who knew? Yeah, you can watch as
Speaker 2: a viewer and it's like you're kind of subjective on
Speaker 2: those storylines because you have no idea. So you see
Speaker 2: like the cliffhanger element of it and the shock and
Speaker 2: the oh my god, what's coming next.
Speaker 1: I thought the guys in this episode all really showed
Speaker 1: up so great, Like you were great with Donna, patient
Speaker 1: kind understanding. Brandon was what he was with Kelly and Steve,
Speaker 1: even though he had to get there himself because he's
Speaker 1: very short on patients with her, like I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do this, I'm gonna I don't want to fight with
Speaker 1: you anymore. And I can't control you. I can only
Speaker 1: control myself. Right, all while his hair wasn't moving at.
Speaker 2: All and did not move all while they were hair
Speaker 2: spraying him.
Speaker 1: He's still handling it with love. And he goes and
Speaker 1: visits her dad, yeah, and like tries to bridge that.
Speaker 2: Gap for her and then has like the photo album
Speaker 2: at the end and all.
Speaker 1: I was crying. I was definitely I got emotional.
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm the asshole that was looking at that
Speaker 2: the shot going. Whose picture was that that was? Had
Speaker 2: to have been because normally we would it would be
Speaker 2: a crew member that we would those were the pictures.
Speaker 1: No, but if they go you know, when you do
Speaker 1: work like shows, movies, whatever, and they need to see
Speaker 1: that your character as younger, they'll use your real pictures.
Speaker 2: But you got to think though, like our show was before,
Speaker 2: like especially now with AI, it's unbelievable what people can create.
Speaker 1: Then it had to be an actual picture.
Speaker 2: You can have an actor you know that plays your
Speaker 2: dad in something and just have a headshot of the
Speaker 2: woman that played your mom and in AI put them
Speaker 2: two together, put the two of them together and say, hey,
Speaker 2: create a bridge between these actors and make them look
Speaker 2: like family for a photo, and it'll print out and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, I can see the resemblance
Speaker 2: in a subtle way. We didn't have that, so it
Speaker 2: was always like these random crew pictures were like, who
Speaker 2: the fuck is that on a wake board?
Speaker 1: Like that does I zeroed? And that had to have
Speaker 1: been Kathleen, Like, there's no denying that was her as
Speaker 1: a baby, and so I'm assuming that that and the
Speaker 1: mom did look just like the baby, So I'm assuming
Speaker 1: that was her real mom, which must have been. And
Speaker 1: I don't remember if Kathleen still had her mom with
Speaker 1: her or just so alive, or if they were close
Speaker 1: or not. But I just thought like, as an actress,
Speaker 1: that must have been helpful to have that visual of
Speaker 1: her real mom, you know, to play that kind of
Speaker 1: really emotional moment there that made.
Speaker 2: It was really really great at finding at like truly
Speaker 2: connecting with those emotions and those things, like the the
Speaker 2: little bits I've seen here and there, And then I
Speaker 2: remember working with it, like we worked together a lot
Speaker 2: near the end, did you. Yeah, they because they put
Speaker 2: David and Claire together.
Speaker 1: No, you've already had your thing? Did we in the
Speaker 1: beginning of Claire? No, but now it's come I think
Speaker 1: she's leaving the show soon, Lorraine. When does Claire's character
Speaker 1: leave the show again?
Speaker 2: No, I feel like she was there.
Speaker 1: I think it's this season, at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: then eight.
Speaker 2: The end of seven.
Speaker 1: But she is great.
Speaker 2: To do three seasons without Kathleen Robertson, there's no way,
Speaker 2: is there.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe end of seven she leaves and the seven Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean when for that for that matter, for that point,
Speaker 1: like I Shehannon, just being in three seasons of the show,
Speaker 1: I know, it blows my mind because I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: what that seemed like a lot longer than three seasons.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, how wait what season was it when Gabrielle left?
Speaker 1: We already saw that. So that was the season five
Speaker 1: she had a baby and moved, but then she came back.
Speaker 2: I love having I love the fact that it's two
Speaker 2: people with such terrible memories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just physically right now, we're just.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't I literally don't remember anything.
Speaker 1: You know, people are listening right now being like, oh,
Speaker 1: they don't even know what they're talking about. You have
Speaker 1: no idea why do you do your research?
Speaker 2: David was wearing the purple shirt I love, Like Darren
Speaker 2: knows all of that stuff. Oh, David was wearing like
Speaker 2: a crocodile thing with the thing when he walked into
Speaker 2: the so and he and he entered the room, you know,
Speaker 2: left foot first, Like he knows the details of stuff,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, none of it. No. People ask me
Speaker 2: what was your favorite episode, and it's like, I don't.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't remember an episode.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I say to that? Every time?
Speaker 1: I always say the pilot because it's the only one
Speaker 1: I can truly remember.
Speaker 2: Right, And the pilot was and it was special, yeah,
Speaker 2: like Tim Hunter directing it, Like I remember, I remember
Speaker 2: it all, and I remember us being on set and
Speaker 2: being like this is so cool, Like this is really
Speaker 2: fun doing something like this because I'd never seen it before,
Speaker 2: it had never been done before.
Speaker 1: I always wish like that the show could have kept
Speaker 1: that that look, the visual even just the visual, how
Speaker 1: do you though? Like how because it was so like
Speaker 1: real and raw, like like an eighties rom com. We
Speaker 1: had no sets and then we just got confined to
Speaker 1: those walls on stages and the blocking and you.
Speaker 2: Know, college I remember walking on the stage and seeing
Speaker 2: the college and going, oh my god, they have like
Speaker 2: the quad, they have all the stuff.
Speaker 1: It was massive.
Speaker 2: We don't really need to go to Occidental College to
Speaker 2: shoot anything.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not sacked. We loved getting out of that
Speaker 1: warehouse so nice.
Speaker 2: I loved going to Occidental.
Speaker 1: Any other characters we should talk about. We talked about
Speaker 1: Val and her crazy scheme to get you to buy
Speaker 1: the club.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see if she goes broke.
Speaker 1: Yes, me too, I don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: And then the Clarence Steve line. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be breaking up soon.
Speaker 2: How could they not? They don't like each other.
Speaker 1: They just like to have the makeup sex.
Speaker 2: It was a sweet moment at the end with Steve
Speaker 2: and Claire and the photo album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so sweet. But do you love when
Speaker 1: you watch Especially when I watch Iron acting, it's just
Speaker 1: so much fun, Like I am, I have pure joy
Speaker 1: watching him all the time because you never know what
Speaker 1: he's going to do or say, like when he was
Speaker 1: singing in the shower, it's just the last word.
Speaker 2: I'd like. I saw the things like uh, when Brandon
Speaker 2: sticks his head into talk and then he did like
Speaker 2: the pull himself out of the doorway. And I saw that,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, I remember that.
Speaker 2: We would like we would fit those in every scene.
Speaker 2: We could like that.
Speaker 3: I forgot about all the little things, all the little moments. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all the little stuff that we did, like good nighty.
Speaker 3: Remember that good nighty. I said that to him recently
Speaker 3: in Belgium.
Speaker 2: Nice nighty.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I reminded him that the other day in when we
Speaker 1: were in Belgium, and it made him laugh. He was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just this has been the best having you
Speaker 1: on the show, and we.
Speaker 2: Have accomplished nothing. This has been, for the most part,
Speaker 2: I would say, a really poor job at recapping an episode.
Speaker 1: Absolutely horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you're looking at hiring us just purely
Speaker 2: to recap things, you might want to rethink that.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm doing my best.
Speaker 2: If you if you are looking to find two people
Speaker 2: reminiscing in a fun way, you've come to the right place.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Well, it's fun because you know, people listening grew up
Speaker 1: with us. They feel so connected. Yeah, for sure, which
Speaker 1: we know now from you know, being able to meet
Speaker 1: our fans at cons.
Speaker 2: And I get it. I understand it for sure. Best.
Speaker 1: Well, I really appreciate you standing in for Torry today.
Speaker 2: Of course, Jen, this is super fun. Thank you for
Speaker 2: asking me to come in and do this.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you are available.
Speaker 2: I so am my. It was super fun to watch
Speaker 2: an episode because I was yay.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you liked it. Okay, good. I have to
Speaker 1: remind everybody that next week we have season seven, episode
Speaker 1: thirty coming up Senior week, so be sure to watch
Speaker 1: it so we can rip it apart.
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: What is so we can tell you everything that we
Speaker 1: don't remember about it? Okay?
Speaker 2: What is everybody wearing? Oh man?
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Brian, I love you.
Speaker 2: Bye, everyone, I love you too,