WEBVTT - Ruthie's Table 4: Rag'n'Bone Man 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.960 Welcome to River Cafe Table for a production of I 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:12.480 Heart Radio and Adam I Studios. A few months ago, 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.560 I walked into a very busy River Cafe lunch to 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.400 be greeted by a buzz from the young waiters and 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:23.840 chefs working here. They were incredibly excited. Ruthie, Ruthie, they said, 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.320 Rag and bone Man is on table four. Why don't 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.880 you ask him to be on your podcast? I personally 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.920 have a rule not to interrupt anyone's lunch, much less 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:39.479 Britain's most successful and brilliant blue singer. But this time 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.120 I broke that rule, and here we are today on 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.400 a spring evening in the River Cafe garden, about to 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:53.880 get to know each other. I am incredibly excited. Alms Sunshine, 0:00:54.400 --> 0:01:00.560 my own sunshine. You made me have me. Skis are 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:17.560 a great you know, dear love you Shin. Do you 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:25.360 want to come on tour? Thank you? Okay? Would you 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.440 like to read your recipe? What recipe are you going 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.960 to read? I'm going to read raspberries with Ricotta. I 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.640 was going to try and do my best radio voice 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.560 or like phone voice like my mom used to do. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.000 Any voice you like, you can sing it, I can 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:43.480 do my best. This is a delicious summer dessert. We 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.640 only make it when the raspberries are ripe. You will 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:51.560 need five fifty grams of fresh raspberries, two hundred and 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:57.560 fifty grams of buffalo ricotta, one a mouthia lemon, four 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:02.720 tablespoons of caster sugar. Finally, grate the lemon pill and 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.560 mix with the sugar. Leave for a while to allow 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.720 the flavors to combine and the sugar to be absorbed. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.160 Scatter the raspberries on a large plate, Turn the rocotto 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.000 out very carefully, and then slice it as finely as possible. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:25.440 Place rocotto slices delicately over the raspberries and sprinkle with 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.480 the lemon and the sugar. My mom would be proud 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.360 of me, that she'd be fair of you. Oh, my 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.280 mom was fantastic. She's an amazing woman. I grew up 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.400 in a single parent household, just my mom, me and 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:44.120 my sister. And I was lucky with my mom growing 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.240 up because actually my mom and my dad because we 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.680 my mom didn't have much money. You know, my mom 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.239 was quite often on benefits and stuff, but we always 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.800 got buy with decent food. You know, one pot kicking 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:58.880 a lot of the time. But my mom was always 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.160 good with flavor. And I learned that super young. I 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:06.359 was maybe like ten or eleven when I started kicking myself. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.360 Do you remember what she would make? My favorite thing 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.359 was always muscles and just make a huge, huge point 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.080 when I'm talking about huge, like you know, like the big, 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.960 big saucepans, lots of garlic, lots of wine, sometimes cream 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.960 if we had it, but and and you know, loads 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.560 of bread. Did your mother worked did she? Did? She have? 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:29.040 Not really, because my sister's down syndrome, so that sort 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.360 of meant that she most of the time, you know, 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.040 didn't work much. It was it was at home all 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.440 the time, looking after me and my sister. But what 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.200 was the age difference between We're only a year and 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.800 a half apart, and you said that you started cooking 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.200 when you were I think we guess If my mom 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.040 was busy and we wanted to eat or we were hungry, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.680 I was told to just you know, either you eat 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.840 what's there, or you'll make something. And I think I 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.640 watched my mom cook a few times. I watched my 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.040 grandma cook, so I think I had a fairly good 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.600 understanding of how things were met A taste or it 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.720 just was trial and error and I was allowed to 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.800 explore whatever. You didn't have fear of lighting the fire 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:17.680 or those crappy electric cookers with a spiral hobs, you know, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.440 like that, the properly eighties eighties ones. And so you 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.080 were cooking for your sister. Did she appreciate the food 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.320 that you could? Oh? Yeah, yeah sure. I mean now 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.520 she's got older, she cooked a little bit. She comes 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.400 around to my house and and tries cooking a few things. 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.440 But I think I just wanted to look after it, right, Yeah, yeah, 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.200 I think that also. You know, young men who have 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.960 lived in a single parent family know how to take 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.240 care of themselves and people around them much more. And 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.560 I think that gives you something, yeah, very special. I 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.800 had a friend who say she only wanted Boyfriends of 0:04:53.839 --> 0:05:00.640 single parents do so much more domestically, you know. But 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.200 going to your parents, there was always music. So that 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.279 was your mom? Was it your mom and your dad 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.640 or was it yeah, my mom and dad. My first 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.599 experience of music was not from like a record player. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.039 We're just from people being in my house playing music. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.200 And was it because they had friends from musicians? Was 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.360 your what did your father do? Well, my dad's always 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.279 been a musician by trade. He's a diver actually, it 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.400 was always working away or riggs and stuff, cable lane 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.400 ships and whatnot. But he's always been a guitarist and 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:36.160 he played like guitar, banjo, own mandolin. Yeah, we because 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.080 we grew up around a lot of folk music. So 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.520 I kind of guess like food and that came together 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.880 when we were super young because it was hand in hand. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.680 It was like everyone's coming around for dinner and the 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.760 night would end in like wine and songs. You like, 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.680 my dad playing. I don't remember it that well, but 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.520 I remember my uncle Rob being there with my dad 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.919 and they're being bottles of wine and blues being plaid. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.200 Did he play? When you say American polk music was 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:14.440 a pizza gur weavers, I would say more like Irish 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.080 folk music, stuff like Planksty and Christie Moore. Yeah, some 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.720 old gypsy songs and stuff like that, and there'd be 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.840 someone playing a fiddle and does he play now he still? 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:26.960 Oh yeah, for real, my dad played. My dad actually 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.880 played on my last album. Yeah. Yeah. There's a song 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.119 at the end called Old Habits and there's a little 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.599 piece of guitar music that comes afterwards. Can we listen 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:51.240 to it? Yeah? Sure, do we have it. It's almost 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.560 like a secret track. So when they when the song 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.640 Old Habits finishes, there's about ten seconds and then the 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:07.839 guitar parts starts, and it's just something that I recorded 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.680 and my dad one day and I wanted to put 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:19.440 it on the record, which is nice. My dad actually 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:23.080 wrote that tune while he was I think waiting for 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.720 one of us to be born. I don't know whether 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.560 it was me, Lucy or my other sister Rhan. Is 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.240 he interested in food? Yeah, I mean my dad's a 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.920 pretty good cook. He's always fairly simple. It takes really 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.080 good but it'd be simple. It'd be like a good salad, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.559 new potatoes, and then like a good piece of fish. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.560 But it was always it was always season good and 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.480 it's fresh, you know. There was always like and he 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.040 makes a good dressing for the salad and it would 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.480 be a nice piece of like seabuss or something. He's 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.520 kind of always he went. He wouldn't allow like ketch 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:56.840 up on the table and stuff like that, which I 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.560 kind of right. You describe your mother, who was very 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.240 careful about flavoring, and you remember that you talked about muscles. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.440 I don't know where she bought them. I don't know 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.600 where you grew up. And she used wine in the 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.360 sauce for her children. And then your father, who I 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:17.000 find his music so beautifully compelling. This grilled fish and 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.360 he almost sounds like the way he cooked was the 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.080 way he played his music. And so you grew up 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:27.000 with us food of your childhood? Where did they learn 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.600 to cook? Well? I mean I actually asked my dad 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.360 that question because I was like, I know, I know 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.480 that we used to have like good food as kids 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.920 and having stuff like muscles, you know, when we were young. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.280 But I think my mom and dad lived in Spain 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:44.840 for quite a long time, and I didn't know that, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.560 saidtle Bit later on. I think they lived in Heavier 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:52.160 in Spain for maybe like five or six years, but 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.760 have been in what the seventies, I guess late seventies 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.920 before they had us. Yeah, so it's probably from there. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.200 And actually, like where we grew up in Uckfield is 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.400 pretty close to Brighton, close to a place called Seaford, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.679 which is on a good place to buy fish and 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.560 Hastings which is awesome for for buying fish, probably more 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.280 so back then, tell me about as a child. The 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.800 story I've heard when you performed in order to buy 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:26.760 ice cream. Yeah, there's a truth to this story. Uh 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.800 In in the summer, the kids from our street we 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.880 used to sometimes get together, and so we had a 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.079 house full of instruments. We had guitars that were hanging 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.200 on the walls and sometimes there are old crappy ones 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.640 that no one played anymore, or or old keyboard that 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.720 doesn't really work. Um. We we would get those instruments 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.839 and put them out on the front lawn, open the 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.840 windows and play like whatever music it was through the 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.559 stereo as loud as possible and act like we were 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.040 playing it and put a bas get there in front 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.320 of us to ask for money so we could go 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.719 and buy ice cream from the ice cream band. Did 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.960 it well? He did? I mean people came out and 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.160 gave us money. I think we made made enough to 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.000 get some ice cream. That's the version of I grew up, 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.120 you know, selling lemonade when I was a kid. You know, 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.680 take lemonade and then put a table on the front 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.240 lawn and at five cents please. Yeah, we were like 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:32.400 buskings and like guns and roses. Okay, I am here 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.800 with Rory Dragon Bowman and one of his biggest fans 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.400 apart from me, that is Louie Warwyn, who is a waiter. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:44.000 How old you, Louis? I'm three? Okay. So when I 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.800 went around today saying guess who's coming to dinner tonight? 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.400 Guess who's coming to talk? You were especially excited, So 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.360 I thought, why not share the mic with you? Okay, 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.280 here you go, hi, Rory. Um. I think as an artist, 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.560 you've collaborated with loads of different people or so, in 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:06.280 the spirit of collaborating, who would your dream musical dinner 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:15.640 guests be alive or dead? Um? Prince Probably. I've got 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.680 to say Prince because I feel like he was a 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:22.280 bit of a tricky customer and I think he'd probably 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.880 bring a good dynamic to the table. Do you think 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.439 he'd be a fussy eater? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.600 I'd be demanding, you know, but I kind of like that, 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.520 kind of like people to be a bit more rock 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.800 and roll these days. Someone take authority at the table. Absolutely. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:41.040 How do you think that fame change the way you 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.880 perceived yourself and others perceived you? And was there ever 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:49.199 moment of frustration within that? It's a constant battle if 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:55.520 I'm honest, between being really happy that it gave me 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.640 the opportunity to do what I'm doing now and to 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.199 travel the world and to play shows for lots of people, 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:07.000 and don't I always feel lucky always, But there are 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.000 points of it that I never thought I would have 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:13.400 to deal with the feeling of being out in public 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.319 and have people staring at me. And it's not something 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.160 as a person that I really warm to as a 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:23.400 feeling because I'm quite private and I'm not really an 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:28.959 outgoing person, if I'm honest, So parts of that made 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:33.640 me more introvert. And the reason I live in a 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.679 place where no one is. I live in a village 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.280 that probably has about five thousand people in it, so 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.400 I do hide away a little bit. But I'm kind 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.840 of okay with that now. It might be something that 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:52.240 you know, co with, yeah, yeah, And to be honest, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:56.360 I've always liked peace and quiet, not now with the 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.400 kids and that, but but you know, being being around 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.240 nature and suff like that helps for when you do 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.839 have to change world. Um, you know, during the time 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.200 this time, you know, when people didn't go out so much, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.120 I found myself just forgetting that who I was and 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.920 just going out and doing normal stuff and someone would say, oh, 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.600 can I have a picture? I'm like, what, who by? 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:23.600 Leave me alone? I think public and private is hard. 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.240 For the most part, people are pretty understanding and nice, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.120 but we do live in a different world. Now. I've 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.560 noticed in the restaurant, but when people were very, very 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.200 careful of anyone who eats here and whether they're famous 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.880 or not. We do respect privacy, but at the table 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.319 that we really if we see somebody going up to somebody, 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:47.800 so please respect that. Generally people will give autographs or 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.920 sign something later, but there's a real reluctant to have 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.959 a photograph taken with someone because you don't know where 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.920 it's going to be. Is that a line too far? 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.800 Do you think that you just draw on the photograph. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.280 If I'm with my kids, it's a straight now every time, 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.240 because they don't they don't deserve to be drawn into 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.240 that world. But if I'm on my own don't. I 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.760 don't really mind, as long as people respectful. I was 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.400 in a hotel the other night and someone put a 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.800 photo in front of my face while I had him up. Well, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:20.320 I had spaghetti on my fork, and that's align t far, 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.560 you know, Like I was would it be okay when 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:27.080 you're finished eating? If if I have a picture outside, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.360 that's cool. I don't you know, I would never be 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:33.360 grabbed that. But when I'm when I'm eating, it's not okay. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.400 We're going to talk about food now. You know what. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:41.440 I've talked to actors who are in in a play, 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.600 or directors who are making films, or indeed musicians who 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.640 are playing gigs. There seems to be a kind of 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:54.120 rigor about what they eat and how they're affects your performance, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.920 most notably Victoria Beckham, who said that when she was 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.120 in The Spice Girl, she discovered very early on what 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.760 she could eat to perform and which she couldn't need 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.440 to perform. And I was wondering whether there was an 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.080 element of that in your work. When you're traveling, when 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.560 you're going on stage to perform, how does that effect 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.560 what you eat. My answer to that question is very simple. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.960 It's very simple because I can actually can't eat anything 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:25.120 before I perform um. So I'm not a nervous person, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.280 well certainly not. I'm actually more nervous to do this 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.680 podcast with you than I am to go on stage, 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.000 because talking like this doesn't always come naturally to me. 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.560 But singing doesn't really make me nervous, or be on 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.040 the stage doesn't make me nervous. It's just the feeling, 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.000 the sensation of being full. When I'm trying to sing, 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.320 it affects the way my diaphragm works and it's harder 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.080 to get the notes. So generally early in the morning, 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.720 I'll have breakfast. Do you know if it's a show 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.880 that I have like a big breakfast, so then I don't. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.200 Then I kind of gives me enough for the rest 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:00.920 of the day. Or if I'm real hungry, I have 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.480 like fruit during the day because that doesn't blake you out, 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.800 and then really badly I'll eat like eleven o'clock at 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.520 night after the show because I will be super hungry. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.720 That's why I say I made the decision to eat 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:18.760 stuff like sushi or cleaner foods like something Japanese um, 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.720 eat a lot of soups and things like that because 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.480 I'm eating later later on. Where is your next traveling? 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.080 Where are you going? I don't know the first place 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.080 we're going to, but we have we have some great 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.800 gigs coming up this time, some Switzerland dates. And the 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:37.400 trouble is when we when I go places the places 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.400 that I always wanted to visit, other places that I 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.880 spend the least time in. Well, but I don't know why. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.600 Maybe it's just fate, you know. I'm like, what do 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.280 you remember about this beautiful place at the airport the 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.000 hotel and the show and then the airport again in 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.440 the morning. You just don't get time sometimes, and you know, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.120 the Sudds law is always the places that you think, 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.120 I would love to be in this beautiful place, but 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.200 I've only two hours after a show that you can 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.879 go back, of course, and maybe you should go a 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.480 day earlier and stay a day later so you can 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.399 eat the food of where you're going. So it's a 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.560 very very busy summer, but there are a couple of 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.120 days maybe here and there I could, I could do that. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.480 I think that, you know, having that someone who cares 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:24.600 about food and as curious as you are and wants 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.840 to eat, well, then you should, you know, being in 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.760 switch free somewhere where the food is good. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.040 tell them that's the deal. You know that you'll do 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:46.760 the constitut you do the deal. Music is so important, 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.960 isn't it. Well? For me, food and music as as 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.600 a chef and working in a restaurant, working with people, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.879 are cooking and serving food to people. We also we 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.560 love to sing. We sing quite a lot if we 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:04.200 have any chance at all. And somebody's leaving at somebody's birthday, um, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.840 we sing. And the other day we had a party 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.199 for someone who was leaving from maternity leave and uh, 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.919 and so I just said to them, find out, you know, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.480 who can play some music. What what can we do 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.000 for the music. And when I came in, we had 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.000 the party and we had a speech and I said 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.160 goodbye to her. You know, we had wine, and then 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:30.400 one of our waiters came out and played the trombone. Yeah, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:34.320 and he played Babylove, you know, the supreme song, you know, 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:37.840 because she was going and she was going to have 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.240 a baby. And he came up with his trombone, and 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.600 I thought, you know, I discovered something about him. I 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.320 didn't know that he played them blone and it was beautiful. 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.840 And then you find out somebody plays the guitar. We 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:54.440 have somebody And music is so so important. Do you 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.040 ever have the music in the restaurant? No, because personally 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.280 I don't like background music itself. I always find if 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.000 I go to someone the house and they put music on, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.000 and then you're trying to talk or trying to eadn't 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.880 the music is playing in the background, and I think 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:14.080 acoustically it's hard in a restaurant. But when I'm Valentine's Night, 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:16.400 we get a piano. We have a piano. We take 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.920 out a table and we have somebody coming and play 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.719 the piano. And what do you play when you come 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.080 in the house? Do you turn on music when you're Yeah, 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.760 I mean our radio doesn't really stop playing all day long, 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.679 and I find it really relaxed in the mornings. But 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.359 then you know, I'll pick up Ruben from nursery and 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.080 he'll come back and he'll listen to like he wants. 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.399 He wants to listen to the music from the Millions movie. 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.800 But some of the music is quite good. You know 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.480 the New Millions movie. They use the song you know 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:56.520 the Turtles the tea. So that's some places every day 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:01.320 of my house so happy and and this song is 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.520 in my house every single day, to the point where 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:08.119 if it comes to the radio, like, yeah, that's funny. 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.960 Do you talk about having a vegetable garden, Yeah, I 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:17.439 have been growing vegetables not this last year much because 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.560 my had this big polytonnel in my garden to grow in, 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.919 but we had a big storm and it blew away, 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.159 so it was like it was in the next door's house, 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.760 basically got blown over the fence. But do you, like, 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.280 did you do you actually tend the garden yourself? I 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.199 tried to. Yeah, I don't. I feel like I had 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:35.720 a lot of the time, I don't know what I'm doing. 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.639 But sometimes, you know, I've had quite decent amount of 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.920 like carrots and strawberries and stuff sometimes and successfully grow 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.000 loads of chili's way more than I needed, and a 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.520 crazy amount of tomatoes. We were talking before. I think 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.119 it's just fun with especially when with the kids around, 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.760 you know, Like I had a tomato to three maybe 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.399 four tomato plants, all the different kinds, and as soon 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.240 as they would grow, I'd seen them, and then the 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.440 next day they'll be none left because Ruben, we're just 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.520 going to pick them off and eat. That experience of 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.639 going anyway into a garden and taking something from I 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.280 can't get to sit and eat like spaghetti like a carbonaro, 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:19.159 but he'll pick off like seven Do you make a 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:23.639 point of trying to eat well, so so Zoe my misses. 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.520 She has three boys and I have I have a 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.880 four year old, So we have a four year old, 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.320 a five year old, a ten year old, and a 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:36.720 twelve year old in the house, all boys. Boys. So 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.520 it's hectic, and i'd say maybe like once a week 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:42.919 we managed to get round the table, you know. But 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.359 I'm happy with that at the moment. You give your 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:49.360 kids to catch up, Yeah, yeah, I try to let them, 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.880 to let them choose, but I tried to not give 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:53.760 them the ones with too much sugar and stuff in. 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:59.000 But I was always deprived, not deprived, that's the wrong word. 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.119 I wasn't allow sugary stuff, but for a good reason, 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.760 because you know, kids with dancing drome shouldn't have too 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.240 many sugary foods because they process it differently and they're 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:14.760 susceptible to more to diabetes. So we were not We 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.480 weren't allowed so much sugar as a kid, you know. Um, 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.320 So I think now I'm like, yeah, go ahead, just 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:24.200 say what you want kind of thing. Okay, So there 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.080 there's a question that I asked at the end of 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.240 every conversation. And this has been a really lovely conversation. 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:36.200 So happy that we had time to talk together. If 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:40.000 food is what we prepare when we're hungry, or food 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.280 is what we feed our children, or food is something 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.639 that we use for celebration, it is also something we 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:48.080 turned to for comfort. So I was going to ask 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.320 you if you had a comfort food that you could 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:54.320 describe to me, what would that be? Rory it would be. 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:57.800 I've gone through this in my head a few times, 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.000 like what would be the most confident food? But I 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:05.200 think it's it's like an old school bacon sandwich, like cheap, 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:12.879 pre cut white bread, proper butter bacon that's kind of 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:14.959 fried to it with an inch of its life like, 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:19.680 so it's super super crispy, about four slices and cheap 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:24.480 ketchup and that's it. Bacon catchup and bread and then 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.520 you cut it in half and maybe have a cup 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.720 of tea on the side. Sounds good? Is it? Bacon hot? Yeah? Yeah? 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:37.840 You love no dear, oh my child love you? Please 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:53.800 don't my son shin. That was so nice. Thank you. 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.960 To visit the online shop of The River Cafe, go 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:10.800 to shop the River Cafe dot co dot uk. River 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.359 Cafe Table for is a production of I Heart Radio 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.760 and Adami Studios. 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