1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to River Cafe Table for a production of I 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Adam I Studios. A few months ago, 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: I walked into a very busy River Cafe lunch to 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: be greeted by a buzz from the young waiters and 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: chefs working here. They were incredibly excited. Ruthie, Ruthie, they said, 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Rag and bone Man is on table four. Why don't 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: you ask him to be on your podcast? I personally 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: have a rule not to interrupt anyone's lunch, much less 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: Britain's most successful and brilliant blue singer. But this time 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: I broke that rule, and here we are today on 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: a spring evening in the River Cafe garden, about to 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: get to know each other. I am incredibly excited. Alms Sunshine, 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: my own sunshine. You made me have me. Skis are 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: a great you know, dear love you Shin. Do you 15 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: want to come on tour? Thank you? Okay? Would you 16 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: like to read your recipe? What recipe are you going 17 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: to read? I'm going to read raspberries with Ricotta. I 18 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: was going to try and do my best radio voice 19 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: or like phone voice like my mom used to do. 20 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: Any voice you like, you can sing it, I can 21 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: do my best. This is a delicious summer dessert. We 22 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: only make it when the raspberries are ripe. You will 23 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: need five fifty grams of fresh raspberries, two hundred and 24 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: fifty grams of buffalo ricotta, one a mouthia lemon, four 25 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: tablespoons of caster sugar. Finally, grate the lemon pill and 26 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: mix with the sugar. Leave for a while to allow 27 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: the flavors to combine and the sugar to be absorbed. 28 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: Scatter the raspberries on a large plate, Turn the rocotto 29 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: out very carefully, and then slice it as finely as possible. 30 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: Place rocotto slices delicately over the raspberries and sprinkle with 31 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: the lemon and the sugar. My mom would be proud 32 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: of me, that she'd be fair of you. Oh, my 33 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: mom was fantastic. She's an amazing woman. I grew up 34 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: in a single parent household, just my mom, me and 35 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: my sister. And I was lucky with my mom growing 36 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: up because actually my mom and my dad because we 37 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: my mom didn't have much money. You know, my mom 38 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: was quite often on benefits and stuff, but we always 39 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: got buy with decent food. You know, one pot kicking 40 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: a lot of the time. But my mom was always 41 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: good with flavor. And I learned that super young. I 42 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: was maybe like ten or eleven when I started kicking myself. 43 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: Do you remember what she would make? My favorite thing 44 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: was always muscles and just make a huge, huge point 45 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: when I'm talking about huge, like you know, like the big, 46 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: big saucepans, lots of garlic, lots of wine, sometimes cream 47 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: if we had it, but and and you know, loads 48 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: of bread. Did your mother worked did she? Did? She have? 49 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: Not really, because my sister's down syndrome, so that sort 50 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: of meant that she most of the time, you know, 51 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: didn't work much. It was it was at home all 52 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: the time, looking after me and my sister. But what 53 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: was the age difference between We're only a year and 54 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: a half apart, and you said that you started cooking 55 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: when you were I think we guess If my mom 56 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: was busy and we wanted to eat or we were hungry, 57 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: I was told to just you know, either you eat 58 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: what's there, or you'll make something. And I think I 59 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: watched my mom cook a few times. I watched my 60 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: grandma cook, so I think I had a fairly good 61 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: understanding of how things were met A taste or it 62 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: just was trial and error and I was allowed to 63 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: explore whatever. You didn't have fear of lighting the fire 64 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: or those crappy electric cookers with a spiral hobs, you know, 65 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: like that, the properly eighties eighties ones. And so you 66 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: were cooking for your sister. Did she appreciate the food 67 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: that you could? Oh? Yeah, yeah sure. I mean now 68 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: she's got older, she cooked a little bit. She comes 69 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: around to my house and and tries cooking a few things. 70 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: But I think I just wanted to look after it, right, Yeah, yeah, 71 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: I think that also. You know, young men who have 72 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: lived in a single parent family know how to take 73 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: care of themselves and people around them much more. And 74 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: I think that gives you something, yeah, very special. I 75 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: had a friend who say she only wanted Boyfriends of 76 00:04:53,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: single parents do so much more domestically, you know. But 77 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: going to your parents, there was always music. So that 78 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: was your mom? Was it your mom and your dad 79 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: or was it yeah, my mom and dad. My first 80 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: experience of music was not from like a record player. 81 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: We're just from people being in my house playing music. 82 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: And was it because they had friends from musicians? Was 83 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: your what did your father do? Well, my dad's always 84 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: been a musician by trade. He's a diver actually, it 85 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: was always working away or riggs and stuff, cable lane 86 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: ships and whatnot. But he's always been a guitarist and 87 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: he played like guitar, banjo, own mandolin. Yeah, we because 88 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: we grew up around a lot of folk music. So 89 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: I kind of guess like food and that came together 90 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: when we were super young because it was hand in hand. 91 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: It was like everyone's coming around for dinner and the 92 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: night would end in like wine and songs. You like, 93 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: my dad playing. I don't remember it that well, but 94 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: I remember my uncle Rob being there with my dad 95 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: and they're being bottles of wine and blues being plaid. 96 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: Did he play? When you say American polk music was 97 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: a pizza gur weavers, I would say more like Irish 98 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: folk music, stuff like Planksty and Christie Moore. Yeah, some 99 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: old gypsy songs and stuff like that, and there'd be 100 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: someone playing a fiddle and does he play now he still? 101 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for real, my dad played. My dad actually 102 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: played on my last album. Yeah. Yeah. There's a song 103 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 1: at the end called Old Habits and there's a little 104 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: piece of guitar music that comes afterwards. Can we listen 105 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: to it? Yeah? Sure, do we have it. It's almost 106 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: like a secret track. So when they when the song 107 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: Old Habits finishes, there's about ten seconds and then the 108 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: guitar parts starts, and it's just something that I recorded 109 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: and my dad one day and I wanted to put 110 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: it on the record, which is nice. My dad actually 111 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: wrote that tune while he was I think waiting for 112 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: one of us to be born. I don't know whether 113 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: it was me, Lucy or my other sister Rhan. Is 114 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: he interested in food? Yeah, I mean my dad's a 115 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: pretty good cook. He's always fairly simple. It takes really 116 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: good but it'd be simple. It'd be like a good salad, 117 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 1: new potatoes, and then like a good piece of fish. 118 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: But it was always it was always season good and 119 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: it's fresh, you know. There was always like and he 120 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: makes a good dressing for the salad and it would 121 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: be a nice piece of like seabuss or something. He's 122 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: kind of always he went. He wouldn't allow like ketch 123 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: up on the table and stuff like that, which I 124 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of right. You describe your mother, who was very 125 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: careful about flavoring, and you remember that you talked about muscles. 126 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: I don't know where she bought them. I don't know 127 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: where you grew up. And she used wine in the 128 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: sauce for her children. And then your father, who I 129 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: find his music so beautifully compelling. This grilled fish and 130 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: he almost sounds like the way he cooked was the 131 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: way he played his music. And so you grew up 132 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: with us food of your childhood? Where did they learn 133 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: to cook? Well? I mean I actually asked my dad 134 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: that question because I was like, I know, I know 135 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: that we used to have like good food as kids 136 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: and having stuff like muscles, you know, when we were young. 137 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: But I think my mom and dad lived in Spain 138 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: for quite a long time, and I didn't know that, 139 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: saidtle Bit later on. I think they lived in Heavier 140 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: in Spain for maybe like five or six years, but 141 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: have been in what the seventies, I guess late seventies 142 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: before they had us. Yeah, so it's probably from there. 143 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: And actually, like where we grew up in Uckfield is 144 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: pretty close to Brighton, close to a place called Seaford, 145 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: which is on a good place to buy fish and 146 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: Hastings which is awesome for for buying fish, probably more 147 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: so back then, tell me about as a child. The 148 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: story I've heard when you performed in order to buy 149 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: ice cream. Yeah, there's a truth to this story. Uh 150 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: In in the summer, the kids from our street we 151 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: used to sometimes get together, and so we had a 152 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: house full of instruments. We had guitars that were hanging 153 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: on the walls and sometimes there are old crappy ones 154 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: that no one played anymore, or or old keyboard that 155 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: doesn't really work. Um. We we would get those instruments 156 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: and put them out on the front lawn, open the 157 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: windows and play like whatever music it was through the 158 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: stereo as loud as possible and act like we were 159 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: playing it and put a bas get there in front 160 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: of us to ask for money so we could go 161 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: and buy ice cream from the ice cream band. Did 162 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: it well? He did? I mean people came out and 163 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: gave us money. I think we made made enough to 164 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: get some ice cream. That's the version of I grew up, 165 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, selling lemonade when I was a kid. You know, 166 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: take lemonade and then put a table on the front 167 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: lawn and at five cents please. Yeah, we were like 168 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: buskings and like guns and roses. Okay, I am here 169 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: with Rory Dragon Bowman and one of his biggest fans 170 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: apart from me, that is Louie Warwyn, who is a waiter. 171 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: How old you, Louis? I'm three? Okay. So when I 172 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: went around today saying guess who's coming to dinner tonight? 173 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: Guess who's coming to talk? You were especially excited, So 174 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: I thought, why not share the mic with you? Okay, 175 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: here you go, hi, Rory. Um. I think as an artist, 176 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: you've collaborated with loads of different people or so, in 177 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: the spirit of collaborating, who would your dream musical dinner 178 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: guests be alive or dead? Um? Prince Probably. I've got 179 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: to say Prince because I feel like he was a 180 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: bit of a tricky customer and I think he'd probably 181 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: bring a good dynamic to the table. Do you think 182 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: he'd be a fussy eater? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think 183 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: I'd be demanding, you know, but I kind of like that, 184 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: kind of like people to be a bit more rock 185 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: and roll these days. Someone take authority at the table. Absolutely. 186 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: How do you think that fame change the way you 187 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: perceived yourself and others perceived you? And was there ever 188 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: moment of frustration within that? It's a constant battle if 189 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm honest, between being really happy that it gave me 190 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: the opportunity to do what I'm doing now and to 191 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: travel the world and to play shows for lots of people, 192 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: and don't I always feel lucky always, But there are 193 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: points of it that I never thought I would have 194 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: to deal with the feeling of being out in public 195 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: and have people staring at me. And it's not something 196 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: as a person that I really warm to as a 197 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: feeling because I'm quite private and I'm not really an 198 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: outgoing person, if I'm honest, So parts of that made 199 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: me more introvert. And the reason I live in a 200 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: place where no one is. I live in a village 201 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: that probably has about five thousand people in it, so 202 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: I do hide away a little bit. But I'm kind 203 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: of okay with that now. It might be something that 204 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, co with, yeah, yeah, And to be honest, 205 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: I've always liked peace and quiet, not now with the 206 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: kids and that, but but you know, being being around 207 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: nature and suff like that helps for when you do 208 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: have to change world. Um, you know, during the time 209 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: this time, you know, when people didn't go out so much, 210 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: I found myself just forgetting that who I was and 211 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: just going out and doing normal stuff and someone would say, oh, 212 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: can I have a picture? I'm like, what, who by? 213 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Leave me alone? I think public and private is hard. 214 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: For the most part, people are pretty understanding and nice, 215 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: but we do live in a different world. Now. I've 216 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: noticed in the restaurant, but when people were very, very 217 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: careful of anyone who eats here and whether they're famous 218 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: or not. We do respect privacy, but at the table 219 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: that we really if we see somebody going up to somebody, 220 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: so please respect that. Generally people will give autographs or 221 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: sign something later, but there's a real reluctant to have 222 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: a photograph taken with someone because you don't know where 223 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: it's going to be. Is that a line too far? 224 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: Do you think that you just draw on the photograph. 225 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: If I'm with my kids, it's a straight now every time, 226 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: because they don't they don't deserve to be drawn into 227 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: that world. But if I'm on my own don't. I 228 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: don't really mind, as long as people respectful. I was 229 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: in a hotel the other night and someone put a 230 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: photo in front of my face while I had him up. Well, 231 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: I had spaghetti on my fork, and that's align t far, 232 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, Like I was would it be okay when 233 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: you're finished eating? If if I have a picture outside, 234 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: that's cool. I don't you know, I would never be 235 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: grabbed that. But when I'm when I'm eating, it's not okay. 236 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about food now. You know what. 237 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: I've talked to actors who are in in a play, 238 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: or directors who are making films, or indeed musicians who 239 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: are playing gigs. There seems to be a kind of 240 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: rigor about what they eat and how they're affects your performance, 241 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: most notably Victoria Beckham, who said that when she was 242 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: in The Spice Girl, she discovered very early on what 243 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: she could eat to perform and which she couldn't need 244 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: to perform. And I was wondering whether there was an 245 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: element of that in your work. When you're traveling, when 246 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: you're going on stage to perform, how does that effect 247 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: what you eat. My answer to that question is very simple. 248 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: It's very simple because I can actually can't eat anything 249 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: before I perform um. So I'm not a nervous person, 250 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: well certainly not. I'm actually more nervous to do this 251 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: podcast with you than I am to go on stage, 252 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: because talking like this doesn't always come naturally to me. 253 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: But singing doesn't really make me nervous, or be on 254 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: the stage doesn't make me nervous. It's just the feeling, 255 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: the sensation of being full. When I'm trying to sing, 256 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: it affects the way my diaphragm works and it's harder 257 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: to get the notes. So generally early in the morning, 258 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: I'll have breakfast. Do you know if it's a show 259 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: that I have like a big breakfast, so then I don't. 260 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: Then I kind of gives me enough for the rest 261 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: of the day. Or if I'm real hungry, I have 262 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: like fruit during the day because that doesn't blake you out, 263 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: and then really badly I'll eat like eleven o'clock at 264 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: night after the show because I will be super hungry. 265 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: That's why I say I made the decision to eat 266 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: stuff like sushi or cleaner foods like something Japanese um, 267 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: eat a lot of soups and things like that because 268 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm eating later later on. Where is your next traveling? 269 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: Where are you going? I don't know the first place 270 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: we're going to, but we have we have some great 271 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: gigs coming up this time, some Switzerland dates. And the 272 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: trouble is when we when I go places the places 273 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: that I always wanted to visit, other places that I 274 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: spend the least time in. Well, but I don't know why. 275 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just fate, you know. I'm like, what do 276 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: you remember about this beautiful place at the airport the 277 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: hotel and the show and then the airport again in 278 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: the morning. You just don't get time sometimes, and you know, 279 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: the Sudds law is always the places that you think, 280 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: I would love to be in this beautiful place, but 281 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: I've only two hours after a show that you can 282 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: go back, of course, and maybe you should go a 283 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: day earlier and stay a day later so you can 284 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: eat the food of where you're going. So it's a 285 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: very very busy summer, but there are a couple of 286 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: days maybe here and there I could, I could do that. 287 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, having that someone who cares 288 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: about food and as curious as you are and wants 289 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: to eat, well, then you should, you know, being in 290 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: switch free somewhere where the food is good. Yeah, yeah, 291 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: tell them that's the deal. You know that you'll do 292 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: the constitut you do the deal. Music is so important, 293 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: isn't it. Well? For me, food and music as as 294 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: a chef and working in a restaurant, working with people, 295 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: are cooking and serving food to people. We also we 296 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: love to sing. We sing quite a lot if we 297 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: have any chance at all. And somebody's leaving at somebody's birthday, um, 298 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: we sing. And the other day we had a party 299 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: for someone who was leaving from maternity leave and uh, 300 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: and so I just said to them, find out, you know, 301 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: who can play some music. What what can we do 302 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: for the music. And when I came in, we had 303 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: the party and we had a speech and I said 304 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: goodbye to her. You know, we had wine, and then 305 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: one of our waiters came out and played the trombone. Yeah, 306 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: and he played Babylove, you know, the supreme song, you know, 307 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: because she was going and she was going to have 308 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: a baby. And he came up with his trombone, and 309 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I discovered something about him. I 310 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: didn't know that he played them blone and it was beautiful. 311 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: And then you find out somebody plays the guitar. We 312 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: have somebody And music is so so important. Do you 313 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: ever have the music in the restaurant? No, because personally 314 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: I don't like background music itself. I always find if 315 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: I go to someone the house and they put music on, 316 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: and then you're trying to talk or trying to eadn't 317 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: the music is playing in the background, and I think 318 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: acoustically it's hard in a restaurant. But when I'm Valentine's Night, 319 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: we get a piano. We have a piano. We take 320 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: out a table and we have somebody coming and play 321 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: the piano. And what do you play when you come 322 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: in the house? Do you turn on music when you're Yeah, 323 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean our radio doesn't really stop playing all day long, 324 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: and I find it really relaxed in the mornings. But 325 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: then you know, I'll pick up Ruben from nursery and 326 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: he'll come back and he'll listen to like he wants. 327 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: He wants to listen to the music from the Millions movie. 328 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: But some of the music is quite good. You know 329 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: the New Millions movie. They use the song you know 330 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: the Turtles the tea. So that's some places every day 331 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: of my house so happy and and this song is 332 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: in my house every single day, to the point where 333 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: if it comes to the radio, like, yeah, that's funny. 334 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: Do you talk about having a vegetable garden, Yeah, I 335 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: have been growing vegetables not this last year much because 336 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: my had this big polytonnel in my garden to grow in, 337 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: but we had a big storm and it blew away, 338 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: so it was like it was in the next door's house, 339 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: basically got blown over the fence. But do you, like, 340 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: did you do you actually tend the garden yourself? I 341 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: tried to. Yeah, I don't. I feel like I had 342 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: a lot of the time, I don't know what I'm doing. 343 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: But sometimes, you know, I've had quite decent amount of 344 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: like carrots and strawberries and stuff sometimes and successfully grow 345 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: loads of chili's way more than I needed, and a 346 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: crazy amount of tomatoes. We were talking before. I think 347 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: it's just fun with especially when with the kids around, 348 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, Like I had a tomato to three maybe 349 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: four tomato plants, all the different kinds, and as soon 350 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: as they would grow, I'd seen them, and then the 351 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: next day they'll be none left because Ruben, we're just 352 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: going to pick them off and eat. That experience of 353 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: going anyway into a garden and taking something from I 354 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: can't get to sit and eat like spaghetti like a carbonaro, 355 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: but he'll pick off like seven Do you make a 356 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: point of trying to eat well, so so Zoe my misses. 357 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: She has three boys and I have I have a 358 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: four year old, So we have a four year old, 359 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: a five year old, a ten year old, and a 360 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: twelve year old in the house, all boys. Boys. So 361 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: it's hectic, and i'd say maybe like once a week 362 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: we managed to get round the table, you know. But 363 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: I'm happy with that at the moment. You give your 364 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: kids to catch up, Yeah, yeah, I try to let them, 365 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: to let them choose, but I tried to not give 366 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: them the ones with too much sugar and stuff in. 367 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: But I was always deprived, not deprived, that's the wrong word. 368 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: I wasn't allow sugary stuff, but for a good reason, 369 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: because you know, kids with dancing drome shouldn't have too 370 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: many sugary foods because they process it differently and they're 371 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: susceptible to more to diabetes. So we were not We 372 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: weren't allowed so much sugar as a kid, you know. Um, 373 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: So I think now I'm like, yeah, go ahead, just 374 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: say what you want kind of thing. Okay, So there 375 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: there's a question that I asked at the end of 376 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: every conversation. And this has been a really lovely conversation. 377 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: So happy that we had time to talk together. If 378 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: food is what we prepare when we're hungry, or food 379 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: is what we feed our children, or food is something 380 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: that we use for celebration, it is also something we 381 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: turned to for comfort. So I was going to ask 382 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: you if you had a comfort food that you could 383 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: describe to me, what would that be? Rory it would be. 384 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: I've gone through this in my head a few times, 385 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: like what would be the most confident food? But I 386 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: think it's it's like an old school bacon sandwich, like cheap, 387 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: pre cut white bread, proper butter bacon that's kind of 388 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: fried to it with an inch of its life like, 389 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: so it's super super crispy, about four slices and cheap 390 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: ketchup and that's it. Bacon catchup and bread and then 391 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: you cut it in half and maybe have a cup 392 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: of tea on the side. Sounds good? Is it? Bacon hot? Yeah? Yeah? 393 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: You love no dear, oh my child love you? Please 394 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: don't my son shin. That was so nice. Thank you. 395 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: To visit the online shop of The River Cafe, go 396 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: to shop the River Cafe dot co dot uk. River 397 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: Cafe Table for is a production of I Heart Radio 398 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: and Adami Studios. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, 399 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 400 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.