1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Body Dogs with Joseph Scott More. I've got a question 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: for you. Are you a good keeper of secrets? I've 3 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: had ups and downs in this area. Sometimes you get 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: a bit of information and someone begs and pleads with 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: you to keep it under your hat, as they say. 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: But there have been other times, particularly in work environments, 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: where somebody will give you information and they'll say, well, 8 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: I prefer that you not say anything about this, and 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: then you might hear it from another person that they've 10 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: said it to already, it comes back to you and 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: then you wind up confirming it because it was said 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: to you as well. That happens on a regular basis. 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, how far would you 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: go to keep a secret? Would you keep a secret 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: if perhaps your best friend was having an affair, would 16 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: you keep a secret if perhaps you knew that somebody 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: that's a friend of yours had robbed a bank? Or 18 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: would you keep a secret if someone in your sphere 19 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: brought you to their home, took you down in the 20 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: basement and said, guess what I'm going to do. I'm 21 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: going to find a young lady. I'm going to execute her, 22 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to dismember her. I'm Joseph Scott 23 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: Morgan and this is body Bags, Dave. I almost fell 24 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: off of my chair, as they say, just this week. 25 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to hop on with you today 26 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: because back in April, back in April, and just let 27 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: me make sure I got that, we did an episode 28 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: of body Bags entitled Deadly first Date, Dinner, Drinks, Dismemberment 29 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: in regards to shudd A Robinson. And I think that 30 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: you and I can both state I don't want to 31 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: put words in your mouth, but I think that we 32 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: came away from that sickened. I think because of what 33 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: little perhaps had actually been released in this particular case. 34 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: But I you know, I ask you and suggested you. 35 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: You were kind enough to agree to it. After this 36 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: week's developments and what we know now, I felt as 37 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: though that there was a real need for us to 38 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: hop on and talk about the death of shah De 39 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: based upon a search warrant that has now been released, 40 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: that was executed on her alleged murderer's home, Dave. In 41 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: that home we talked about extensively before. I actually recall 42 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: that very well. We've talked about this before, but oh 43 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: my gosh, some of this stuff that has been revealed 44 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: in this document will make it'll make stronger men than me. 45 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: It'll make their stomach churn. And here's the thing, and 46 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: this is what I was getting to. A lot of 47 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: this information Dave has been sourced from a confidential informant 48 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: by the police. We don't know what that person's name 49 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: is now, but this person actually revealed this to the 50 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: investigator's day. 51 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: And you know what Joe Guy is talking about, is 52 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: this confidential informant that now has released information that has 53 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: become public. Believe it or not, Maxwell Anderson didn't just 54 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: all of a sudden decide he was going to kill somebody. 55 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: Nothing happened that evening that brought him to the point 56 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: where he acted inappropriately and they got into an argument 57 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: that led to something worse that became a death. This 58 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: was something that Maxwell Anderson thought of for a long time. Yeah, 59 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: he thought about it enough to tell somebody what he 60 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: was going to do and to share these thoughts with somebody. 61 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: All I can think of is he thought it was okay. 62 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: But Shade Robinson's father, I was thinking about them. I 63 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: was thinking about her whole family. You know, they seem 64 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: to be just they seem to be handling things better 65 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: than I would. 66 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I agree, I agree, yea. 67 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: And her dad said, you know, they were asking, well, 68 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: how do you feel about it now? And he said, 69 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: what do you mean, how do I feel about it? 70 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: You're can tell me this could have been stopped. This 71 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: guy he's a hero because he's telling the cops after 72 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: where was he when this before it happened? Why didn't 73 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: he speak up? But if he's a confidential informant, he's 74 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: got a contact to the police, and he didn't pick 75 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 2: up the phone and say, hey, this guy's talking really 76 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: crazy stuff here. Yeah, he didn't have to happen. 77 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: Okay. When I heard c I to begin with, Okay, 78 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking, Maxwell's been locked up all these all 79 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: these months later, we're in August. Now we're laying this 80 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: down in August. This occurred back in April. I was thinking, Okay, 81 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: Maxwell's been on the inside. He's getting nantsy. He strikes 82 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: up a quote unquote friendship with somebody inside the walls 83 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: there and snitch. Yeah, and so he spills his guts, Dave, 84 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: that ain't what happened. Nope, this guy said, now keep 85 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: in mind, keep in mind, Shade was actually this. Let's 86 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: see if I got this right. Going all the way 87 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: back to April. Uh, she had sea Day had actually 88 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: informed a person that she was going out on a 89 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: date that night with a guy for the first This 90 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: is April first, Dave. According to this document, the CI 91 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: was not just told by Maxwell about this. The CI 92 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: came to Maxwell's home right and visualized this down there. 93 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: You're damn right to Dad has a right to be made. 94 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: On March fifth, Joe, Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean 95 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: look March fifth. 96 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's I'm staring at it. March fifth. He's 97 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: in the guy's house and he's talking about something he's 98 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: going to do a month later, because you mentioned it. 99 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: Shaw Day was communicating with people. She's excited about this. 100 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: I remember, I remember how people were talking. They just 101 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 2: loved her, you know, people just really cared about her, 102 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: and they were talking about she was excited about this guy. 103 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: Now we know him. On March fifth, the informant is 104 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: at Maxwell Anderson's home Max Well. Anderson showed the informant 105 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: the basement. The basement even then included a plastic tarp. 106 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: The tarp covered a sanitation sink, ceiling, floor walls. Anderson 107 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: told the informant what he was going to do and who. So, 108 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: how long was Maxwell Anderson communicating with shot A Robinson 109 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: before they ever went on their day. 110 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: Or yeah, how long? I think that the digital evidence 111 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: in this case is going to be I'm waiting to 112 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: see this. We're going to do another episode about this. 113 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: I can tell you that that's on the horizon, the 114 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: idea that he had planned this and if, in fact, 115 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: what the CI is saying, he named her, okay, he's 116 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: already targeted her back in March day. So it's like, 117 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: and I always compare killers, particularly killers that are this 118 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: highly organized their hunters. They are hunters and they're planning, 119 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: they're planning what they're going to do. What's that book 120 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: that came out all those years ago? Is it called 121 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: The Most Dangerous Game? I think where they released people 122 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: on the island and you've got this guy that's going 123 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: to go out and hunt these people. This is like, 124 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: they're hunters, They're they're planning all of this along the way. 125 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: This guy is planning this so far back, So I'm 126 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: wondering if he has been surveilling her, you know, like 127 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: he ran into her somehow and something clicked in his mind, 128 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: because you know, people like this, they have a type 129 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: that they're after. Yeah, okay, and if you're if you 130 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: have a type. You know, we talked about this guy 131 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: so much, but Bundy was very specific about what he wanted, 132 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: you know, the brunette hair, long shoulder linked, that sort 133 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: of thing. Do you remember it was during that period 134 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: of time that when people were terrified about this, people 135 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: will think with him and Berkowitz, women started changing their 136 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: hairstyles as a result of this in the middle. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 137 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: So you see, you see this and you really, you 138 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: really try to plumb the depths of how evil this is. 139 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: He's thinking about this all the all the while. And 140 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: what was that date you told me again about Was 141 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: it March fifth or that when he mars real? How 142 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: does this guy? How I think about this? How does 143 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: the CI know that it was on that particular date? 144 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: If I ask you right now, Stone, call without looking 145 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: at your phone or without looking at your computer, what 146 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: were you doing on March fifth? You know? Can you 147 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: tell me? I mean, my life moves pretty fanatically, yours 148 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: is insane with everything that you do. Could you actually tell. 149 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: Me that I couldn't tell you what I was doing? 150 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: Yesterday. I know I could not either March just move them. 151 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: Okay, what if though we don't know, we don't know 152 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: who the guy is. We don't know anything about who 153 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: the CI is. C I being confidential informant. Usually you 154 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: hear about these guys relenting to drug things, and that's 155 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: how drug dealers get caught. So I just tell folks, 156 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: you know, if if you think that's a way of 157 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: life that you would like to, you know, you watch 158 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: a big bank or not big bang, but breaking bad 159 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: or better call h and you see people doing drugs 160 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: and getting away with it. That's not what happens because 161 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: the you know, drug dealers get busted and and that's 162 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: who they get busted by his confidential informants. They sell 163 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: people out. So to have somebody they call a c 164 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: I involved in this house and seeing this, I'm wondering 165 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: if there was a drug thing going on and that 166 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: he was somehow because he got invited to the home 167 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: by Maxwell Anderson. Anderson took him in there on March 168 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: fifth and showed him everything he should. But Joe, there's 169 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: also another thing that has come out since then. A 170 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: woman claims in February, before the CI talks about seeing 171 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: the dungeon. A woman has come out and said that 172 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 2: she went on a date with Maxwell Anderson in February 173 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: and he was really pushing to get her to come 174 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: back to the bait at the house. She said that 175 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: she felt like he had drugged her drink and she decided, no, 176 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: I ain't going, she didn't feel like herself, pulled out 177 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: and went home. And then after she heard about this 178 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: now she's like, wait a minute, Oh, that's what he 179 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: probably had planned for me, or maybe I was a 180 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: warm up, because if she's on a date with him 181 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: in February and on March fifth, he has targeted his 182 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: next one and he's willing to show somebody. I mean, 183 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: we're talking about a level of evil that goes well 184 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: beyond just one piece of evidence, Joe that I remember 185 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: us talking about last time. It was the femur leg 186 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: in the bone and there was a where it had 187 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 2: been sawed halfway through and then snapped like you would 188 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 2: a tree limb. 189 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: About halfway through the shaft. Yeah. 190 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how this person treated another human being. That's 191 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: what he did to her. And I think whenever I 192 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 2: think about this case, that's what I think of that 193 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: I don't know why that horrific image has stayed with me, 194 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: but it. 195 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: Has well, you know, I think that And again I 196 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: don't want to chase too many rabbits here. But when 197 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: we begin to think about this methodology being applied Dave 198 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: with the sawing at say they call it, let's just 199 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: say it's a mid shaft in the thigh. People will 200 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: put their hand right on the middle of their thigh, 201 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: between their knee and their hip. That would be referred 202 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: to as mid shaft if you go directly. Because femur's 203 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: the largest bone in the body, long bone that is, 204 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: let me qualify that largest long bone in the body. Okay, 205 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: So first off, if he if he was truly a 206 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: highly skilled individual at dissection, you're not going to saw 207 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: through bone. You're going to go to a joint to 208 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: disarticulate a body because it's much more simple in order 209 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: to do that, because you would essentially dissect around. Let's 210 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: just say, if you're talking about a knee, you would 211 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: dissect around with a very sharp instrument. You know, in 212 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: the case of surgery or in the mork, we're going 213 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: to to scalpel and then you're going to use very 214 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: robust scissors. But if you can get into that joint, 215 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: you can disarticulate the body. Disarticulation is completely different from 216 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: a standard dismemberment where you're sawing through shafts of bone, 217 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: and then the brutality of this if in fact they've 218 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: gotten halfway through the bone and then they get tired 219 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: of it, and for expedient's sake, they're going to snap 220 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: it in half. It takes a very robust person to 221 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: be to be to do this, and very purpose but 222 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: unskilled because you're creating, well, first off, you're creating a 223 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: big mess something that I think that if you took 224 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: the long view of it, you would understand that it's 225 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: it would be unnecessary for expedients sake and for just 226 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: for the what term am I looking for here? Uh, 227 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: the speed with which you could do it? And so 228 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, and I do have a point here, kind 229 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: of going long way around the barn. I'm wondering if 230 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: this first woman that he allegedly contacted or had a 231 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: date with, if she was going to be his first 232 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: attempt and then he got frustrated by that, and perhaps 233 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: he's purpose now after he targets shaw Day in order 234 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: to go after I think probably and hopefully this will 235 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: be revealed. I'm hoping that from a typology standpoint, we're 236 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: going to find out a little bit more about this 237 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: woman that says that she was with him, and we'll 238 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: get an idea as her appearance, where she worked, in 239 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: the life she lived, because that might even tell us 240 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: more about Shade Robinson and perhaps just perhaps other victims 241 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: that they're out there. Brother Dave, I got to tell 242 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: you this, after what has been revealed with this warrant, 243 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm actually encouraged, and I'm encouraged from the perspective of 244 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: it appears that the police are leaving no stone unturned 245 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: here because they go into pretty detailed information regarding what 246 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: occurred in that home from an investigative perspective. But for 247 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: our friends that have not heard the original episode or 248 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: have not been following this case the news, can we 249 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: just go back just very briefly and kind of lay 250 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: out the timeline here about what happened. 251 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: And we'll put the notes in the body in the 252 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: description of this show in case you want to and 253 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: listen to the original one so you get an idea 254 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: of where we're coming from and why this this show 255 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: is shocking today. It is the previous show that we 256 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: delved into that I thought we couldn't go any deeper, 257 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: and it just got worse from there. But Monday, April first, 258 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: Shot A Robinson disappears. She had a date and she 259 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: was excited about the date with Maxwell Anderson. She meets 260 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: him at the Twisted Fisherman's where they got together. Seven 261 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: thirty The next morning, all right, they went to dinner 262 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: at the Twisted Fishermen, had their dinner and they were seen. 263 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: We've got pictures of them being there. They posted some 264 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: things on social media. The next morning, Shot A Robinson 265 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: doesn't go home and they find her car on fire. 266 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: Seven thirty am, out on a date taking pictures. Next morning, 267 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: she's not home and her car is now found burning 268 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: in an alley on fire. It was later that day, 269 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: ten hours after her car was found burning, that a 270 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 2: human leg was found in Warnermont Park. Think about that 271 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: for just a minute. Nineteen year old woman doesn't come home, 272 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: her car is found burning. Ten hours later, a leg 273 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: is found yep. On the April fourth, Maxwell Anderson was 274 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: arrested for questioning at his home. It was the next Now, 275 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: how tough is that Joe. You've been around investigations your 276 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: entire adult life pretty much, you have. The last person 277 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: seen with somebody is usually the first person you talked to. Right, 278 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: If I go missing, Yeah, they're going to say, well, Joe, 279 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: what were you guys talking about? You know what what 280 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: you know you were with him at six o'clock? What 281 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: were you doing? Well, that's the same thing air and. 282 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: It goes and that goes to you know, we've talked 283 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: about the term intimates along the way. And granted they're 284 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: not married, and I don't think you can actually say 285 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: that they're in a relationship. They are having a date, right, 286 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: So if this is yeah, and so if this is 287 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: at a restaurant, if I'm not mistaken that he had 288 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: previously worked at right, because he told her, I think 289 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: that while he was there he was going to pick 290 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: up a W two and engaged with the bartender that, right, 291 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: That's what's so nutty about this day. Yeah, you know, 292 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: you're you're placing yourself in a position where you are known, 293 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: you were known to have been an employee there, Your 294 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: former fellow employees saw you there, and not only that, 295 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: you engage with them. And it's not like this guy 296 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: is not unnoticeable. He's got long blonde hair, he's got 297 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: a beard. He's going to stand out people, you know, 298 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: probably waves at people when he walks in. And he 299 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: had told her at the time that he was going 300 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: to have to get his w two talk to the 301 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: bartender who he knew, right, And so yeah, I think 302 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: for the police, asking who last has contact with him 303 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: is going to be very, very important because they're going 304 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: to perhaps know more information than than they have at 305 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: that particular time because they can kind of if that's 306 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: concentrically oriented, almost like a bullseye, you start from there 307 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: and then you radiate out from their relative to the investigation. 308 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: Dave, and that's where they started putting together other evident 309 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 2: This show again, you've got the guy posting stuff on 310 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: social media with shaw Day her car's burning. If you 311 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: know they find a car burning, they do look at 312 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: the serial number. You got id hey, get the ben 313 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: you know who owns it or who you know, it's 314 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: not a big jump to find out who had the 315 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: car last. And in this place it was Shawda Robinson's 316 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: blue Honda Civic is burning. A witness, an eyewitness saw 317 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: a man where a tan backpack get out of the car. 318 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 2: Man then throws a lighter inside the driver's side car 319 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: knights guy walks away. It's like out of a movie. 320 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: I can't please. I was thinking the same thing. Like, 321 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's like an old Dental Washington movie Man 322 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: on Fire literally is the name of it. And there's 323 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: this poster image I always called poster images of him 324 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: walking away from a burning vehicle behind him. And you 325 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: can you know, it's like the idea of striking, like 326 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: you know, a Zippo lighter. Essentially you can hear the clip, yeah, 327 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: you hear the snap of the flame and then they 328 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: kind of toss it. You know how many times have 329 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: we seen that in movies? And can you imagine? Can 330 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: you imagine seeing this happen before your very eyes? If 331 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: you're the citizen, you're standing there and you say, okay, well, 332 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: there's a guy getting out of the car, no big deal. 333 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: But then maybe your eye catches him holding a flame 334 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: in his hand, and as he's about to turn on 335 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: his heels, he tosses it into the car and the 336 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: car and look, if there's accelerant in there, it's going 337 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: to blow out the windows. And I don't mean like 338 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: literally like knock the glass out. But if the windows 339 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 1: are open, you know you're going to have the supply 340 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: of oxygen. It's gonna flash over. It's going to catch 341 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: your attention. It caught their attention. So let me ask 342 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: you something, Dave. When you go into town, all right, 343 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: and everybody carries backpacks, Now, do you ever notice the 344 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: color of a backpack? I never do. Hey, look, I teach. 345 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: I teach at a university with over ten thousand students. 346 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: There's back packs everywhere. I couldn't tell you, no more 347 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: than a man in the moon, what color backpacks my 348 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 1: students have? Right, Okay, I just couldn't. But this person 349 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: takes notice of the color of it because the. 350 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: Guy threw a bag of thing of matches in the car. Exactly. 351 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: Here's what's worse, though, Joe. It's like you play that 352 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: old gets worse than this game. 353 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. 354 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: The guy not only throws the matches and lights the 355 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: car on fire. The witness notices because the guy doesn't 356 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: say anything, walks towards the bus stop and gets on 357 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: a bus. Hey, dude, your car's on Wait a minute, 358 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: you lit the car on fire. Where are you going? 359 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a you couldn't. I don't. You couldn't. 360 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: Look if you and I walked into a producer's office 361 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and this is part of our script, They're 362 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: going to laugh you out of the office because it 363 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: seems so incredibly absurd. 364 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: Exactly what is it? 365 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: Fact is stranger than fiction? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 366 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 2: And the guy in this case, he describes this dude 367 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: walking away with the brown backpack. Well, when they start looking, okay, well, 368 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: let's look for anybody hitting on a bus in this 369 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: general area. Wait a minute, he's got a brown backpack on. 370 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: So now you've got the ID confirmed by the bus camera. 371 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: So they've got this guy, Maxwell Anderson just totally beyond 372 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: anything one can imagine. By the way, allegedly, I guess 373 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: he's pleaded not guilty. But let's get to They do 374 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: find shot a Robinson's clothing and purse. They're found in 375 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 2: the trunk of the car, her burned iPhone, which you know, 376 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: they couldn't confirm it was exactly hers right away, but 377 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: you know a lot of young people have their phones 378 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: stricked out, you know, they put a lot of bling 379 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: on and stuff. And the phone that was found there 380 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: did match her phone, and it was the leg that 381 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: was found, the leg that was found on the beach 382 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: north of the pump house. You remember this shoe. It 383 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: was kind of found. There's a cliff leading down to 384 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 2: the beach. And I've tried to figure out how and 385 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: when this could have happen. And because you're on a 386 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: date with somebody, you're seen out and twelve hours later, 387 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: her car's on fire and you're like, you're lighting her 388 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: came fire and walking away. So in between, there's a 389 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: twelve hour window between having dinner and she's got to 390 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: be dead when you light her car on fire. They 391 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: find a leg fairly quickly, you know, ten hours after 392 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: the car's on fire, they find a leg. So when 393 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: did he kill her? And was he up all night 394 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: getting rid of what was he doing that? This was 395 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: his end of the night? I mean, or was he 396 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: did he did he stash a bunch of body parts 397 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: and slowly disperse them over time? 398 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: I think that's yeah, I think that that's that's what's occurred. 399 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: And Dave, if you go back to the search warrant, 400 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: the CI makes reference to this. You know, it gets 401 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: that down and dirty, you know where he's talking about that. 402 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: The CI is saying that Maxwell told him that that's 403 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: what he was going to do. I mean, can you 404 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: imagine standing there, he's got plastic allegedly, yeah, adjacent to 405 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: what you call it a utility sink. I think we 406 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: always call it a deep sink, is what we refer 407 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: to it as. I think that's what we're talking about here. 408 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I pulled that right out of the legal stuff. 409 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: That's what they put in the in the documents. 410 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the same thing. I mean, like if 411 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: you have a utility room, you know, where you do 412 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: your washing machines there and all that sort of thing. 413 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: So it's it's not you know, it's not a farmer's 414 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: porcelain farmers sink you kind to have, you know, it's 415 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: actually an area, an area that you would use in 416 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: a utility area, maybe in a washing dryer space, and 417 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: this sort of thing to clean things, to wash things out, 418 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And how convenient it's right there. Well, 419 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: he's got plastic sheeting that's lining all of this stuff. 420 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: There's a big plastic sheets all over the floor. And 421 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: as he's talking about this, according to the CI, he 422 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: even went to the point, according to the CI, Maxwell 423 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: did that he was going to dismember her body and 424 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: deposit it. It brings me back to the dad. The 425 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: dad knows this can it's It's one thing if you 426 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: find out that a CI said, oh yeah, well I 427 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: was talking to this guy and the guy said he 428 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: was going to made mention that he's going to murder 429 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: this girl. Okay, this nineteen year old girl here, he's 430 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: going to murder her. Okay. No, it doesn't stop there. 431 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: Not only am I going to execute her, I'm going 432 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: to dismember her down here. Oh and by the bye, 433 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to deposit her remains in a variety of 434 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: areas around town. You talked about this leg. I got 435 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: a theory about this, Dave. I think see I at 436 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: this at this park where the leg was found. My 437 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: thought was was that he did not go all the 438 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: way down the face of this. They're referring to it 439 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: as a cliff or bluff. I think what happened is 440 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: he got to the edge of it. And again this 441 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: goes to this half hearted effort. You had mentioned the 442 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: femur that we had referenced earlier, with the cutting and 443 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: all this sort of thing. I think he got to 444 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: the edge and tossed it. Well, you have to think 445 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: about how heavy a human leg is. I don't think 446 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: that well. I hopefully, hopefully none of you guys have 447 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: had the experience that I have had in the Morgue 448 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: where I've actually held an entire human leg that was 449 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: either partially severed that we had to continue to finish 450 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: that up in the Morgue as a result of trying 451 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: to do an examination. It's very heavy, Dave, Wow, it's 452 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: very heavy, and it's robust all right, bone muscle, tissue. 453 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: So he's going to get to the edge and he's 454 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: not going to make the effort to go down to 455 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: Lake Michigan. He's actually going to toss this leg down 456 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: the cliff, so it kind of rolls down and so 457 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: anybody it's going to be in plain view. If anybody's 458 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: still ending up there. It's a park right now. I 459 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: don't know about you. I saw Lake Michigan. I'm dazzled 460 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: by it every time I see it because you look 461 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: out at it. Particularly up in that area of the country, 462 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: which I've been too many times, is very pretty. People 463 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: are going to walk to the shore and they're going 464 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: to I don't know about you, but if I walk 465 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: along shore, I like to look down along the beach, 466 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: because it's kind of cool if I have that point 467 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: of observation. He didn't go very far into trying to 468 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: disguise this day. And that's what gets me. I don't 469 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: understand that how do you go to such a great, 470 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: such great lengths that four weeks before you're going to 471 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: do this incredibly horrible evil thing, You've got it all 472 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: mapped out, You've already got the plastic laid out, you've 473 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: got and by the way, the confidential informat actually says 474 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: that he had plastic on the floor and the walls 475 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: and the ceiling, so he was planning on having blood spatter. 476 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: He knows something about this. The only people are going 477 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: to know if you're slinging stuff around and there's blood, 478 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: you're going to have blood going everywhere. And that's why 479 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: he puts the plastic all over, right, so's they still 480 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: found blood in the basement. But you can't you can't 481 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: escape it. I think that a lot of people believe 482 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: that that you're going to be able to hide any 483 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: element of blood, even if you say you take this 484 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: great preparation in order to do it. They think about that. 485 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: That show that people are always asking me about that. 486 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: I have maybe watched two episodes of Dexter where that 487 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: individual goes the character goes to great links to disguise 488 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: what he's doing and all these sorts of things. He 489 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: has appropriate tools, And you know, I remember when Shade's 490 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: case first hit the news, there were references, particularly on 491 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: social media, to Dexter because this you're you're thinking about 492 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: an individual that takes this young, beautiful woman healthy, he 493 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: takes her on a date and kills her. And I 494 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: remember looking at those exterior images of that home, and 495 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: I remember seeing that kind of cream colored brick that 496 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: was on the outside, which Milwaukee is actually known for. 497 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: There's actually a term for Milwaukee, they called the cream City, 498 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with creamer. It has 499 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: to do with the color of the stone and the 500 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: brick that they use up there. And all I could 501 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: think about was one other person in the history of Milwaukee, 502 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: and that was Jeffrey Dahmer. And I got to tell you, Dave, 503 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: this case has certain earmarks that are terrifying in regarding 504 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: the connection of these two. So I know, as we 505 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: were closing out last segment, Dave, I had mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer, 506 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: and look I'm in no way impunity in Milwaukee. I've 507 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in Milwaukee, and I love 508 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: that city. It's probably by far my favorite Midwestern city, 509 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: particularly Upper Northwestern. I love the beer, I love the food. 510 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: I love the fact that it's got this great German 511 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: and Polish heritage. I've even been to the German Festival 512 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. Spent a lot of time there over the years. 513 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: The reason I mentioned Dohmer, and his name surfaces a 514 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 1: lot in any kind of case that's particularly horrific, but 515 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: the reason I bring him up is that Dahmer literally 516 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: was a trophy taker. He held on to, well, let's 517 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: just face it, human remains. And when you have someone 518 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: that dwells this kind of mindset here where they are, 519 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: they're wanting to relive perhaps these experiences, is it is 520 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: a it's a it's a reminder to us all that this, 521 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: this perpetration of these crimes run deeper than just merely 522 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: the slaughter that's involved. These people have a desire to 523 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: go back and relive this horror over and over again. 524 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: And David, there were some items that they actually found 525 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: down in that basement that as horrible as shot as 526 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: cases they actually have nothing to do with her directly. 527 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: These these are other items, Dave. 528 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: Well, all right, Joe, I know, as we have stated 529 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: that there's a real frustration that this search warrant that 530 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: was released shows the family that there was somebody involved 531 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: in this case that was known to the police, that 532 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: could have told somebody something and chose not to until 533 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: after the fact. I don't know if there's a way 534 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 2: that these things can be prevented because the family is 535 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: going to I don't I don't even know what the 536 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: family does now. No matter how you've been able to 537 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 2: try to adjust to your new life where your daughter 538 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: has been done this way in such a horrible fashion, 539 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: how you recover from that emotionally speaking, But now to 540 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: know that he actually had talked about it ahead of time, 541 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: this is kind of like saying that you had a 542 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 2: friend that said he was going to kill himself and 543 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: he had a gun, and you went ahead and got 544 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: in the bullets because he was you know, he said 545 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: he wasn't going to do it tonight, so I got 546 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: in the bullets. Same thing here, I'm not going to 547 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: do it tonight, but he names the person he's going 548 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 2: to do it to shade Robinson on March fifth, and 549 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: he's already picked rout, He's picked out his prey. He's 550 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 2: ducked out the room with plastic everywhere, and he's telling 551 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: somebody else what his plan is to kill her, cut 552 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: her up, throw the parts away. He's he's got the 553 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: whole old plan. I guess that's my frustration, Joe, and 554 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 2: releasing this search warrant information to the public. While it 555 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: does have value, I wonder if the value for us 556 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: to know matches up with the what the family is. Well, 557 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: I know they're going to hear it in court. I'm 558 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: just shocked that we have this kind of information because 559 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 2: to me, I was my first thought was the Dad, 560 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 2: you could have told me, You could have told somebody. 561 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: The see I could have told somebody. 562 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: And I think that what makes us, even if it 563 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: could possibly get even more horrific for this, this precious 564 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: family that are having to endure this with their baby girl, 565 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: it just the fact is is that, yes, this could 566 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: have been thwarted. But when they begin the search in 567 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: the basement, Dave by Virtue of what the NBC affiliate 568 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 1: is reporting in Milwaukee used to play golf, didn't you? 569 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 2: Yep? 570 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, me too. Hopefully I'll be back to it 571 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: sooner than later. 572 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: Your back's not going to let that happen, but you 573 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: can dream about it. 574 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, dream Yeah. I always kept a Crown Royal back 575 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: attached to my golf back. And if you don't know 576 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 1: what that is, it's purple velvet. It's got the Crown 577 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: Royal symbol. And you know Crown Royals, particularly type of whiskey. Well, 578 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: my daughter actually used to work as a bartender and 579 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: she got me like six of these things and I 580 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: would put my golf tees in there and they were 581 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: just it was, it was absent from the back. And 582 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: so a lot of people use it for this purpose. 583 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: You know a lot of golfers do, Dave. They found 584 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: a Crown Royal back down there in that basement, and 585 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: it contained items. And these things are not, at least 586 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: at this point, they don't seem to be directly connected 587 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: to shot A Robin Son. And if you'll permit me, 588 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm just I got to tell you, and this is 589 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: actually coming again. 590 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 2: From one thing is not connected to Sean Day, but 591 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 2: based on his preparation and his execution, yep, could they 592 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 2: be tied to other? Are we looking for other bodies. 593 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: Now, well, I got to tell you. In the bag, 594 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: this Crown Royal bag he found, they the police actually 595 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: found an ID belonging to another woman. She's twenty seven 596 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: years old. Dave. There was a notebook that contained other 597 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: women's names and information about them. Dave. I don't know 598 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: if you know. In the military, snipers that go out, 599 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,439 Speaker 1: snipers don't just go out to to just take out 600 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: a target with a long gun. They actually go out 601 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: as observation teams as well, and they keep detailed notes 602 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: about movement and all that sort of thing. Theyve in 603 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: this notebook it says that he's it's got other women's names. 604 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: And here's the thing about it and information about them. 605 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: Is he tracking other potential victims? You know, they fit 606 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the typology. They fit a 607 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: type perhaps that he is drawn to. He's watching them. 608 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: We don't know at this point in time how many 609 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: women there were in it. 610 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 2: But here they found other things, Joe in that basement, 611 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 2: if you remember, in the search warrant, one of the 612 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: things they were able to look for was duct tape, 613 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 2: and they were looking for based on what the CI 614 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 2: told him. They were given a lot of leeway. When 615 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 2: they were looking for the remnants of duct tape on 616 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 2: the wall and in the rafters and the beans, they 617 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 2: found ladies underwear, They found hidden USB drives, multiple weapons, 618 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 2: including firearms and knives. But it's the women's clothing. We've 619 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 2: got women's clothing. It is plural. I don't know how 620 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 2: many pieces of underwear they found, but it's more than 621 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 2: one underwear in the basement, hidden between support beams and 622 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 2: in the foundation foundation wall. 623 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that would lead me to believe if it's 624 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: in the foundation wall, and just give me a little 625 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: rope here, because it's what I'm you know, you think 626 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: about maybe a cinder block, for instance, and if you've 627 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: ever seen you know, mortared cinder blocks, if you get 628 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: to the top and nothing's resting on top of it, 629 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: you have an empty hole. And so if if he 630 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: were to have stored something down in that hole, for instance, 631 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: in the top of a center block, because they're talking 632 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: about foundation walls here, Dave, he could go back and 633 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: essentially fetch it out of there, you know, retrieve it. 634 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: If he's in this mode of trying to fantasize about 635 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: the I got to tell you who this reminds me 636 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: of it smacks of bt K because he had what 637 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: what we refer to as a rat hole. He would 638 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: he would take items from victims' homes and he had 639 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: a space beneath his staircase in the in the basement 640 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: of their home there in Wichita, and he would hide 641 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: these items and he treasured them. He would take postmortem photography, 642 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, all of these sorts of items there were, 643 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: there were It's almost like if you've ever found a 644 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: squirrel's nest or some other you know, animal that's nesting, 645 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: you'll find items that are contained. Raccoons are famous for 646 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: going out and collecting shiny objects and bringing them back, 647 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 1: and that's what they have them in their nest. And 648 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: so is that it's too it's too horrible to consider. 649 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: But has he perpetrated other crimes? Have they have they 650 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: risen to the level of homicide? Dave? Are there are 651 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: there other? Are there other unidentified bodies that have been 652 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: found around And it's not just Milwaukee, but maybe the 653 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: outlying area that they haven't been able to id or 654 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: they've never been able to tie them back to anyone. 655 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: I tay, what's gonna be really interesting about that? Those 656 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: clothing items, Dave is if if they can take those 657 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: clothing items and test all of the surfaces and if 658 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: they come up with DNA that is not his, and 659 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: you can tie it back to one missing person. Perhaps 660 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: if somebody's in a system somewhere or something where they 661 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: can run that down, Oh my gosh, the floodgates will 662 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: absolutely open at that point in time and maybe reveal 663 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,959 Speaker 1: something bigger. Now, I don't know if that's the case, 664 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: but when I hear this kind of holding on to 665 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: items like this in a case like hers, I'm really 666 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: wondering how many other open cold cases they have around 667 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: that area and do they Does it match up with 668 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: the timeline that Maxwell has been living in this area? 669 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: You know, you go back to you know, we made 670 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: the comment I think a few months ago. Was it 671 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: Twisted Fisherman That was the name of the restaurant? 672 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Twisted he worked. 673 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: Dude. How you talk about a rich environment for targeting people? Oh? Yeah, 674 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: you know, if you're working in that environment, you're identifying 675 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: you can you have your pick of who you're going 676 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: to target based upon your typology that you're applying to 677 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: all of these this profile that you're applying to all 678 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: of these. So, yeah, that's that's quite chilling. What uh. 679 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: I find it interesting about the duct tape because I 680 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: think that they were going down there to to find 681 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: specifically duct tape adhesive. 682 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: Dave, And I was going to ask you because I 683 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 2: don't really understand. I understand what adhesive is, and I 684 00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 2: know what duct tape is, and I know that duct 685 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 2: tape has Hell. 686 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: You're on it. You're a man, So you know what 687 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: duct tape is. 688 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: I know it convicts everything from the china in my 689 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 2: wife's cabinet to the skateboard my grandson uses. I keep 690 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: it right here, I got. I got a duct tape 691 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 2: on my hip like it's a forty five man. I'm ready. 692 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: I heard you. 693 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 2: I wonder you know when I saw that. I'm thinking, Okay, 694 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 2: So they're following. 695 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: Up on. 696 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 2: The duct tape used by this criminal, this suspected murderer, 697 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 2: and they're trying to track down this ad he's they're 698 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 2: trying to match it up against something else they've found. 699 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 2: I mean, don't they haven't. I know that you get 700 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 2: all the information you can, but at what point do 701 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 2: you say, Okay, we got the guy. We we just 702 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 2: need to find more dead people. Is that what we're after. 703 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be gross, but I mean, I 704 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 2: don't see how this guy goes this all in Joe 705 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 2: and this is the only body. I'm not hard. I'm 706 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 2: praying it is. But I got a really tough time 707 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 2: figuring out that. It seems like, you know what, it 708 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 2: seems like he was planning on doing something, that he 709 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 2: had some kind of big master plan, and when he 710 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 2: got through all of that, when it came time to 711 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 2: actually getting rid of finishing the job, here he went 712 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 2: through the exciting part. Now I'm done. 713 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:13,280 Speaker 1: You know he couldn't. I think that there's well, obviously, 714 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: I think most of these crimes are sexually motivated, so 715 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: he peaked early perhaps, And I think that that goes 716 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: to the idea of the I hate to keep returning 717 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: to this, but the job that was done on the femur, 718 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: because if he was taking pleasure in that portion of it, 719 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: he would not have rushed unless he felt a threat, 720 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: like somebody's coming to the house. If his enjoyment was 721 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: perhaps tied to the act of dismembering a human body, 722 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: I think that perhaps you would see these kind of 723 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: clean lines, you know, Tom taken with the body. You 724 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: go back all the way in time. I think probably 725 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: the most famous dismemberment, which is actually a bisection of 726 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: a body, was the Black Day. When you think about that, 727 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: the edges were very clean. She was essentially dissected in 728 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: half and appeared that her body had been bathed. Both 729 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: pieces the torso of the of the upper torso and 730 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: then the lower torso were found immediately adjacent, but there 731 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 1: was that gap. I know most people have seen those 732 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: images from back those many years ago in la when 733 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: they found her body. That's an individual that took a 734 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,240 Speaker 1: very specific amount of time with the body and great 735 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: care because they bathed the body, so you see this. 736 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: Did he finish early essentially, is what I'm saying. And 737 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: I think that if we had one of our friends 738 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: like Karen Stark with us, you know, to talk about 739 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: perhaps some of psychology behind this. You know, it's kind 740 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: of peeking out if you will. I'm going to be 741 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 1: interested to know what the adhesive though that's left behind, 742 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 1: because for me, did they find was there some part 743 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: of the body that still had duct tape attached to it? 744 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: And if that duct tape adhesive that they're looking for 745 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: perhaps was like on a beam. The first thing I'm 746 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: thinking about is what she suspended and tied with duct 747 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: tape to a beam. And as you well know that 748 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: when you peel duct tape off, you leave an adhes 749 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: a residue, and not only do you leave in it, 750 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: you leave an outline. Dude, you can actually see the 751 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 1: margins of this scene. So were they did they find 752 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,879 Speaker 1: duct tape associated with a remain? And they're going back 753 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: saying we got to look for duck because they're talking 754 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: about this in this morning. We're looking for duct tape 755 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: at here. 756 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 2: He's yeah, I don't know, Joe. I didn't even think 757 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 2: about I did not even think about him tying her up, 758 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 2: but using duct tape to hang, you know, put her 759 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 2: hands above her head. I was actually not thinking this 760 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 2: through because there were certain aspects of it that I 761 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 2: just found repulsive. The femur, the leg just really gets me. 762 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 2: But getting into this, would you be able to tell 763 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 2: if she was dead or alive when he decided to start? 764 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, because she was. Her body was not down. 765 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: I'll put it to you this way. There's soft tissue, right, 766 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,879 Speaker 1: and if we have soft tissue, we can look at 767 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 1: those edges of those injuries that she has endured. Okay, 768 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: we can look at the edges, we can look at 769 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: the margins and when I say margin, essentially where the 770 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: body is cut in two. All Right, you've got just 771 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: think of the parting of the Red Sea. Okay, you've 772 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,359 Speaker 1: got the right side of the left sea. We think 773 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: about the movie The Ten Commands. You got the right 774 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,720 Speaker 1: side of the Red Sea, and you got the left side, 775 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: and you got that kind of empty space that you 776 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: know children visitor will walk through in the movie. So 777 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: that that area that's kind of sliced away, if you 778 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,879 Speaker 1: imagine both walls, what you'll see in there, contained in there, 779 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: those little micro vessels are going to hemorrhage if that 780 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: occurs in life. So if you're talking about an arm, 781 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: a leg, ahead, a foot, whatever the case might be, 782 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: if that was done in life, and again that goes 783 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: to another level, Dave, we're not just talking about this 784 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: kind of act of mutilating a corpse. Now you bring 785 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: in this idea of torture, and if you had to say, 786 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: use tape to bind somebody with Dave, there could be 787 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: an element of torture that's contained therein I think the 788 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: police know much much more than we know at this time. 789 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: I hope they do. I don't necessarily want to know 790 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: everything that they know, but I guarantee you this Dave, 791 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 1: all things, and I mean all things are going to 792 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,840 Speaker 1: come to light. I just hope that when they do, 793 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 1: if there are other cases out there that the police 794 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: believe that Maxwell is associated with, I'm hoping that those 795 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: items that they found in that basement will not be 796 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: the finish line, but the starting point for further investigation. 797 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body packs