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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in Doug Gottlieb here and you are listening

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Speaker 1: to all baldy all basketball conversation and we've got a

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Speaker 1: great pod for you. Let me start with what everybody

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Speaker 1: is talking about in collegiate sports, which is pay for play. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's name, image and likeness. Now that's really

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Speaker 1: pay for play. So, um, what happens is I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you read my tweets or maybe you don't, and you're like, wow,

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Speaker 1: this guy he doesn't want college athletes get paid. He

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Speaker 1: just he wants to keep all the money him south.

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Speaker 1: You know, like, look, I'm just a realist about it.

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Speaker 1: Um no, I don't think I should be paid to

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Speaker 1: play above what they get for a scholarship. Scholars is

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Speaker 1: pretty awesome getting into college. You couldn't get into never

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Speaker 1: really having to ask for money for food, for clothes,

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Speaker 1: for anything, right, And like what what you're not told

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Speaker 1: is like, well, what if you come from a household

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Speaker 1: where you don't have any money, Like, okay, we can

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Speaker 1: apply for a pell grant and get nearly seven thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars in a PEL grant in addition to the cost

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Speaker 1: of attendance and all the other stuff. Well, you can't work.

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Speaker 1: You can work. I worked. I tended bar in the fall.

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Speaker 1: I you know, in the summer, if you stay there,

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Speaker 1: you get a job. But you also, like the n

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Speaker 1: c A has created this thing where you don't have

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Speaker 1: to work, you really don't have to, and you've got

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Speaker 1: everything kind of taken care of for you. And and look,

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Speaker 1: there's lots of different layers to get into it. But

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Speaker 1: I think one of the important pieces I believe, I

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Speaker 1: believe that we all need college. We need that time

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Speaker 1: away from home where you're where you're you're not living

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Speaker 1: at home as a child, but you're also not an

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Speaker 1: adult out in the real world, and you need pieces

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Speaker 1: of the real world. One of those pieces is the

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Speaker 1: relationships that you build knowing that all these people you're

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Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. Another piece of the

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Speaker 1: real world isn't learning how to manage your time and

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Speaker 1: your money. That that's really what you learn most in

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Speaker 1: in college, right, is about relationships, building fostering relationships, not

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Speaker 1: just romantic, just friendships and otherwise, and how to balance

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Speaker 1: your time and your money because you don't have you

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to go to every class, but you've

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Speaker 1: got to go to enough whom we know what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to get a's, you obviously do.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that you need to learn to

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Speaker 1: balance your time and that how are you gonna go

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Speaker 1: work out? Are you gonna go hang out? Are you

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Speaker 1: gonna study? What are you gonna do with with all

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Speaker 1: a scholarship check, you know, you get five six dollars

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Speaker 1: above and beyond that of your rent check. What do

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Speaker 1: a little bit to spend at the end of every month.

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Speaker 1: And we've created this system where, um, you know, managing

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Speaker 1: you can get a meal anytime you want. They can't

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Speaker 1: cut you off from meals with a training table or

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Speaker 1: all the things that you can have inside of a

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Speaker 1: training room. And now, um there's additional moneys you can

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Speaker 1: make with working camps and when coaches have these, um

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Speaker 1: And there's ways to manipulate summer school so that you

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Speaker 1: get paid based upon how many hours you take. You

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Speaker 1: sign it for eighteen hours. Then you then you cut

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Speaker 1: it down to like nothing in terms of six or

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Speaker 1: And this idea that we're just gonna we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: these small sponsorship deals. You go down to Christ's University

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Speaker 1: Spirit make an appearance, you get five hundred bucks. Um.

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Speaker 1: Forget about, Well, you can't forget about. But this is

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Speaker 1: gonna hurt I think athletic departments who need that revenue

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Speaker 1: in order to pay for all the things that they

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Speaker 1: pay for. But it's it's also just gonna hurt the

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Speaker 1: general idea of what college athletics is about. Like, look,

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Speaker 1: if you're good enough athlete, if you're good enough of

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Speaker 1: all that money. You don't actually need it now, And

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Speaker 1: getting paid to play, not getting paid for your name

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Speaker 1: and likeness. It's not to say your likelist doesn't have

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Speaker 1: any value, but really, all it's done is we pull

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Speaker 1: just gets away from the core ethics of what college

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Speaker 1: athletics is about. To the athlete, your sport, your excellence

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Speaker 1: get into, got you total support scholastically and athletically you

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Speaker 1: bouncing time, about bouncing money, about how to place the team,

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Speaker 1: about how to play hard, and when you're done, now,

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Speaker 1: how good you are determines what your first second, sometimes

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Speaker 1: the third job is. So so let's go a little

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Speaker 1: bit further into it. All right, I've been I've had

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Speaker 1: when I've said taxes, I've had people like Nick Wright

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Speaker 1: reason to like it actually is a legit reason. Many

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Speaker 1: of you are in college athletics or you've been around

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Speaker 1: college athletics, so you know that you're not paying taxes

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Speaker 1: on like ticket revenue. You're not paying normal taxes, so

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Speaker 1: it allows it allows those profits to be greater, the

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Speaker 1: to the gross. The problem is that like Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 1: schools aren't making billions of dollars. So they're twenty year

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Speaker 1: plus deals signed by you know, ten to fourteen member

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Speaker 1: conferences that when you split it up, is the money good, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the expenses are also way higher than used to be. Like,

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Speaker 1: we're only taking gross revenue and go like, look now

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Speaker 1: they're making thirty million dollars a year. Yeah, but everything

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Speaker 1: else costs money. Debt services higher, all the coaches make

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Speaker 1: more money, the insurance is more money, that travel is

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Speaker 1: they ever have before. In collegiate athletics, they're also generating

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Speaker 1: more revenue on the academic side, but no one seems

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Speaker 1: to be attacking that college makes colleges make money off

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Speaker 1: of all their students. The only difference is the reward

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Speaker 1: for being on scholarship now is actually greater than it

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Speaker 1: used to be. It's a scholarship for a lifetime. The

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Speaker 1: facilities are better, schools are hard to get into, and

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Speaker 1: yet for athletes you still have the opportunity to get

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Speaker 1: beyond the field are on the court coaching. You know,

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Speaker 1: you get cost of a tennis now where you didn't previously.

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Speaker 1: The deal is incredible. And this idea that taxes don't matter. Hey,

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Speaker 1: if you start paying college athletes, they can be deemed employees,

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Speaker 1: if their employees, then all of a sudden, all of

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Speaker 1: their things that they get, not just the money and

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Speaker 1: not just the scholarship, all can be taxed. And sometimes

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Speaker 1: some are in fact tax in. Schools pay that already,

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Speaker 1: but now anything they get can be seen as a

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Speaker 1: athletic departments, now all those other sports will of course suffer.

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Speaker 1: So I just I get it. You somehow think that

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Speaker 1: someone we're about. The reward is the scholarship. It's an

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Speaker 1: incredible reward. It's hard to get than ever has been previously,

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Speaker 1: it's more valuable than it ever was previously, and you

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Speaker 1: get more once you get there for the rest of

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Speaker 1: your life than you ever have previously. And yet part

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Speaker 1: want more, which is also why if you have this,

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Speaker 1: it won't stop cheating. Whatever rules you put in place.

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Speaker 1: If people want to go around the rules, they will.

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Speaker 1: If you pay a kid five thousand dollars and somebody

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Speaker 1: I don't think the rules as they stand are unreasonable.

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Speaker 1: Most people who live it don't think it's unreasonable. And yes,

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Speaker 1: schools are making money, but you have to remember they're

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Speaker 1: making money off everybody. Are they making more money than

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Speaker 1: they used to. Yes, they're also spending more money than

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Speaker 1: they used to, not just to get the next college athlete,

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Speaker 1: but also to treat them better when they're there. And

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Speaker 1: the taxes do, in fact matter. So I get that

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Speaker 1: we act like this is a foregone conclusion. I think

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Speaker 1: NBA is probably gonna take guys straight out of high school.

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Speaker 1: minor leagues, you can. If you want to go go here,

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Speaker 1: this is our rules. I I'd be interested legally what

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Speaker 1: have they ever portrayed themselves as a free market. Right now,

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Speaker 1: they're losing public against public opinion, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: have bitched and complained about name, liminas and likeness, all

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Speaker 1: Davin Newsom, he's an elected official. By the way, Look

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Speaker 1: he went to Santa Clara. How much you think it

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Speaker 1: cost to go to Santa claarir imagine if you had

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Speaker 1: got that for free and you couldn't afford it. But

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Speaker 1: like Gavin Newsom talking about some ship he has no

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Speaker 1: idea about saying the student athlete gets nothing like it.

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Speaker 1: Just in the state of California. The idea that you

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Speaker 1: these schools you couldn't get into walk away with no

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Speaker 1: student debt. And especially when you know those athletic departments

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Speaker 1: are not they're not rolling in money like to to

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Speaker 1: to pooh the education and opportunities when you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be as an elected official, wanting more and more of

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Speaker 1: those opportunities, especially in people from lower socio economic backgrounds,

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Speaker 1: but more than anything like he and Lebron James, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you didn't fucking play college basketball. You haven't earned a

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Speaker 1: scholarship like Lebron, this doesn't affect you. You were getting

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Speaker 1: paid in high school anyway. Right. That's like the Ed

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Speaker 1: O'Bannon thing, Like Ed O'Bannon leading this charge. Like, dude,

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Speaker 1: Ed O'Bannon, why do you think he signed at un

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Speaker 1: know why it's weird, like ed O Bean has always

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Speaker 1: been a super class guy and was a great player

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Speaker 1: in the National Player of the Year and it didn't

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Speaker 1: work out from the NBA, And yeah, I guess he

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Speaker 1: hasn't used his name in likeness to kill it. But

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Speaker 1: because most everyone else in the real world, if you

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427
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Speaker 1: end up losing in the first round of the biggest

428
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Speaker 1: tournament to Miami and that killed our seatings. We were

429
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a two seed because of that loss.

430
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Speaker 1: I think we're the only nine one people lost to

431
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: nine seat because I lost in the fourth season and

432
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: we ended up playing um Michigan State since sixteen in

433
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Speaker 1: over Hills, and Baham was not happy about that seat obviously,

434
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: but you know, it was it would be Kentucky in

435
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: the second round in Cleveland. We have vatation on Prince

436
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: and those guys, but one by point, and we were

437
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: feeling good about ourselves. We're a really good team, and

438
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: I think we were up like fifteen half on Michigan State,

439
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: and I remember the first place thinking to come out

440
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: of the second half is ill drew up a play

441
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 1: for like, um back to a screen to mope finale

442
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: you open the place went now said that was it.

443
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: They just I think they wanted that, like twelve. It

444
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: was a thirty points waying something. The second half wasn't

445
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: it was incredible. So that was a tough way in

446
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: the season because that was Yeah, I think you know

447
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: we were final four team, but the seating didn't help.

448
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: And then losing in the first round the Big East

449
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: really killed us. So you graduate and then what and

450
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: I want to coach in college? So um, they had

451
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: made a call for me to uh Seth Greenberg without

452
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: even really interviewing. I got the g J out of

453
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Speaker 1: South Florida. Wait wait before you, before you, before you

454
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Speaker 1: get to the South Florida one. Yeah, didn't you play

455
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: for Syracuse against Providence, like your your last Providence game

456
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: your senior year? What was that like? So it was

457
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Speaker 1: actually my junior year. Um, so it was the UM

458
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 1: two thousand, So yeah, two thousand was my junior year.

459
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: That's when we lost Michigan State. So that was really

460
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: cool because I have my family has seven courts, I see,

461
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: and that's how I grew up loving the Big East.

462
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: And uh so it was funny because we played out

463
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: Providence for eighteen and at this point and about to

464
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Speaker 1: the nineteen oh up big he puts me in the game.

465
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: Place goes nuts, and my family and my mother and

466
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: my father everybody, and you have to sign about the

467
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: orange man that went like all the way across the

468
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Speaker 1: frest room opposite. You know, you gotta be kidding me, um,

469
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: but it's Grady got gotta shot up, missed it. Um.

470
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: But that was really cool because that's where on the

471
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: state championship too, at the civic set of day at

472
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: the dunk and so you know, kind of game full

473
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: circle for me. So that was pretty cool moment. Alright,

474
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: So Beheim calls Seth Greenberg and gets you a g

475
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: a job at at at South Florida and full disclosure,

476
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: I know Seth Seths like uh like kind of like

477
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: an uncle to me. Right, he used to be a

478
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: long Beach state when I when I left, when I

479
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: left under Dame. Um he recruited me. I know, you

480
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: know Brian yank Kelovich I think was on staff there,

481
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: so is Dave zim roth um right and Clive one

482
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: Right who played it was great player at pitt obviously

483
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: is his long time right right hand man. So you're

484
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: fresh out of college, all you know is probably all

485
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: you know is Rhode Island and Syracuse. Hoop. You show

486
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: up at South Florida, What was that like? Yeah? I

487
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: joked with my mom's car, drove down in my inner

488
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: cameray and moved into Tampa. There were in the campus,

489
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: and uh it was cool. I kind of did everything,

490
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, look at you a dones. I helped break

491
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: down film actually where guys out. I was actually back

492
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: up point guards for practices. Um, so it was a

493
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: different Uh. I didn't realize that college was like that

494
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: in a sense where it's not a lot of basketball,

495
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's making sure you know, kids are

496
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: in school and make sure that they get said, we're

497
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: running camps, recruiting, sending out letters. You know. Um, you

498
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: know you can't work guys out more than like an

499
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: hour week, you know. So in that sense, I wanted

500
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: to be on the court, you know, and and then

501
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: enjoyed as much as I thought I would quite honestly, Um,

502
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: you know, but me and Yank became very close friends.

503
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: He was my roommate on the roads and rough so

504
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: he was a great guy. And talk Jo Casino, She's

505
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: done a lot, have been Kenny and those guys so

506
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: Um and Clyde. Ball was great. So I I had

507
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: some good guys around me. Um, but the experience of

508
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: not being on the court all day long and I

509
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: didn't really like UM. So I ended up, you know,

510
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: leaving there at May. But we had a good year.

511
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: We're seven and oh we we like four fifth game

512
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: of the season, I'm sorry, eighth game of the season

513
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: we played at Syracuse, which was crazy. So, you know,

514
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: six months removed in Syracuse. Here I am, you know,

515
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: on the other bench, um and when I'm losing the

516
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: game that was That was my only scout of the

517
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: year that was with Syracuse. So so you you leave

518
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: in May and what you decided to do golf in

519
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: your own then yeah, it was while I was down there, Doug,

520
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: I met the guy's IMG academy, so you know, everything

521
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: happens for a reason. And I met Joe Buona Star

522
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 1: and those guys IMG. And that's when they had junior

523
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: Collee didn't have any facilities for guys out at and

524
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, you can work guys out for

525
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: a limit. This is this is kind of cool, you know.

526
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: So I went home, I went back to my high school,

527
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: Bishop Henderton High School, became as that teacher, moving my mother.

528
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: So things are going really well. And uh and every

529
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: summer because that summers off because I was a teacher

530
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: phys that teacher. And I interned at IMG Academy with

531
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: Joe and rebounded for Garnett TYLERU, Tayshawn Prince, uh Al

532
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: Harrington and uh, you know kind of that's my first

533
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: looking to really you know, working guys out, you know,

534
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: full time for a job. Um, okay, so when did

535
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: when did you make it into a job. Well, then

536
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: Joe left, I m j O six so seven open

537
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: the facility Impact Basketball in Las Vegas. He took me

538
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: his right hand man did that for a year. That

539
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: was like Jared Dully, Ryan Gomes kind of guys um

540
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: heel fear. And then I met bj Armstrong and Bob

541
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: Myers um and on Tell Worsenman and I was recommended

542
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: through Troy Weaver at the time, who I think it

543
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: was with these thunder of Jazz and Troy was my

544
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: assistant in Syracuse by senior year, and they wanted to

545
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: work out guys full time, which I didn't even exist.

546
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: So we arm flew me into his house and Bob

547
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: Myers DJ and UH came up this side theady. Let's

548
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: high about full time? Do you a pre draft work

549
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: was out in the summer sat Monica's High school and

550
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: UM see guys during the year. They had a guy

551
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: like that before a little bit part time, you know,

552
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: neil o'sha was now with the Blazers, but after me

553
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: I to him, it was they brought me in. But

554
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: this time it was full time. So who was the

555
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: guy who you first uh kind of became their guy

556
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: and and and and had kind of that first initial

557
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: relationship with because that's generally kind of I feel like

558
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: how it works is like, yeah, you were working for

559
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: arn and working out all his guys and and popping

560
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: in and and but there's usually a guy or two

561
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: that you connect with UM that really kind of uh

562
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: nights you, if you will, to the rest of the

563
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: NBA community. Yeah, definitely, I rewinded a little bit. My

564
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: first couple of guys that I had pro were Ruben

565
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: Garces who was a pro the time overseas and Ryan

566
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: Golds was the junior or Providence and Ryan I worked

567
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: at Ryan Free became all American um and then he

568
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: went pro kept me on. But my first big break

569
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: was getting at the ABC D camp and Uh, I

570
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: hounded Sunny. I mean hounded up this story in my

571
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: book about how I fact his house every day for

572
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: like fifty days. When we returned my course, I literally

573
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: fact this house. Finally, Robbie Harstein calls me the directors

574
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: that you got a stuff fact and he said you're in.

575
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: You're in. So that was a big break I got

576
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: in my first year I coaching Matt Doherty. Um, we're

577
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: just good fire to the Carolina and uh he met

578
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: Sonny and I said, thank you, said who you? I

579
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: said on Roy mcclinic, and you go, oh yeah, yeah, thanks. Yeah.

580
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: Every coach in the world called me you facked my house.

581
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: I liked your persistence, but man, and from there we

582
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: became extremely close. And that's where I met Derek Rose

583
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: and Kevin Love. So you fast forward to when Arn't

584
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: hired me. He end up signing Derek already had a

585
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: relationship with Derek Kevin when with a little Asian if

586
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: I still worked him out. Um, And those are the

587
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: first true guys that became extremely close with UH. And

588
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: then Kevin said, and I bring in my roommate, you know.

589
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: And it was your roommate. This guy Russell he played

590
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: a little bit last year. He's all right, mind he

591
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: comes by. It was Russell Westbrook. So crazy because then

592
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: you know the o A draft. You know, we're in

593
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: that class. And I had had all three of those

594
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: guys on top of Brooke and Robin Gallinary and did

595
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: you the stand? So it happened very fast to me.

596
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: But I would say Derek and Kevin and Russell was

597
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: my first main group, you know, for three years every day.

598
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: That kind of helped me get to where I want

599
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: to be. Um. In your book and the book is Network,

600
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: Um the in in the book it it does talk

601
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: about Kevin Durant as this ridiculous workout fiend like he

602
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: and I have. There's a story Scotty Brooks told me Um.

603
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: And Scotty told me, I remember he was back when

604
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: he's coach in Oklama City. He told me the first

605
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: time they made the playoffs and they lost the Lakers,

606
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: they had exit meetings like the next day and he

607
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: had Kevin in and he goes, what are your plans.

608
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know. I just I want to

609
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: go I want to go hoop. And he's like, Kevin, listen,

610
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: you've been hooping, you know, since you got in the NBA,

611
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: Like I want you to take two or three weeks

612
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 1: and not touch of basketballs. Like I got you. He's like,

613
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: so he literally called put on speaker phone, called this

614
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: travel agents, like, hey, we went to this island, like

615
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: I don't know the multi eaves or something like I'll

616
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: set you up. You'll go like, don't hoops. Oh, I

617
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: got you. I'll figure it out. So he's like, all right,

618
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: where you going now He's like, well, I'm going back home.

619
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, check in with me tomorrow, but don't hoop.

620
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Give give yourself a couple of weeks to just clear

621
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: your brain. So the next day he couldn't get ahold him,

622
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: couldn't get ahold him, couldn't get ahold of him. Finally

623
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: he texts him back. He's like, uh, He's like, you know,

624
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: like everything okay, and and he's like, yeah, I'm just

625
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: checking in with you, Kevin and Katie's like, sorry, I

626
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: was just hooping for the last three hours, right, Like,

627
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: he's ridiculous that they had to like dial back practices

628
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: because all those guys in Oklaham City just could follow

629
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: his lead and he would have these like hour and

630
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 1: a half two hour workouts after their practices, and they

631
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: felt like it would hurt the hurt the team if

632
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: they were doing long practice. In addition to so, what

633
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: was is he of the guys you worked with? Does

634
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: he have kind of the greatest energy for working out

635
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: or who else is in that class? Oh? Yeah, he's

636
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: probably no. I mean he's right there with Russell Uh

637
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: Russell one guy I've had a turned down. But the

638
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: Durant thing is is right out of que I mean,

639
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: Durant would fly me in once a month for five

640
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: years work come out in season. Now we would just

641
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: go thirty minutes, um minute. But it's it's crazy because

642
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, okay, see that they have very strict rules

643
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: about having people come in, even though it was close

644
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: to Sam and obviously Troy Um. They don't want to

645
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: bend any rules for anybody. So I remember saying to

646
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: that may listen Kevin Durant, He's gonna find the gym.

647
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: So but we just came back to the rules. So

648
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I remember one trip being Kevin found like this little

649
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: church gym and it was about an hour and twenty

650
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: minutes round trip just to work out for forty minutes

651
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: a kind of night. Um. And you know, I told

652
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: the story on Botus podcast the other day about we

653
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: flew to Paris from l A one time and uh,

654
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: we got stuck in on the private plane in New

655
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: York and we we had delayed six hours and land

656
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: in Paris. It's the fifteen trip. We land at midnight.

657
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: This guy wants to work out right now. He could

658
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: tell those guys that, you know, a front to find

659
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: the gym. I said, oh my god. So we found

660
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: the gym. I think it was like Tony Parker's like

661
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: club team jam with high school and we worked out

662
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: like a wan asket and it's one of the best

663
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: workouts I've ever seen anybody has. And uh yeah, he

664
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: SE's like like like when when you say when you

665
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: try to relate to people, it's one of the best.

666
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: What about what about the workout for example? Do you

667
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: remember that made it so happen? I mean, besides the

668
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: fact that we were all exhausted. We just landed in Paris.

669
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: It's one of you know, having that in the background.

670
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: He made every single shot. He his energy was ridiculous.

671
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: Forget that it was one of them in Paris. It

672
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: could have been noon. The energy was stop notch um,

673
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: and it was just I don't know what it was.

674
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: It's just he made everything. We worked on posts high,

675
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: post transition and we could have gone three hours. I

676
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: was one of the are we gonna stop? It's you know,

677
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: one through in the morning here. Um, Well, that's just

678
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: how Kevin is. And it's like, you know that one

679
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: workout is why he's great when you do that all

680
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: the time. You know that. And Russell was another one.

681
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: And I just I beg to take days off. So

682
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: I know what Scott Wiscott is coming from with that,

683
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: because one time I said, Russell takes Sunday off, let's

684
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: get after Monday. Just give me one day. He just rest.

685
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: He said, I got you, Okay, you're right, because I

686
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: always say rest is actually part of the training schedule.

687
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm being lazy. They wants to rest, you know, so

688
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: you can recover. And I got a call from somebody

689
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: c l A might have been like Scott Carson, one

690
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: of those guys, and he said, your buddiest shoot said,

691
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's out there working out with his

692
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: father on a Sunday afternoon. So, um my, My Russell

693
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: Westberg story I heard from an NBA guy was, uh,

694
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: they went to see the Rico Heines workouts at the

695
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: men's gym, and Russell was over on his own court

696
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: with the gun, you know, with the machine that fires

697
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: balls back, and they were like dudes were stopping and

698
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: watching him because he was going full speed for forty

699
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: five minutes getting shots up and and just add okay.

700
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: So here here's the question though, right, Russell Westbrook is

701
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: a great player, and he has a great work ethic,

702
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: and yet most guys, the older they get in their career,

703
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: they start to lose a little bit of the juice

704
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: in their legs and their shot gets better. How come

705
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: by your estimation he struggled last year with the shooting. Yeah,

706
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: well yeah, he definitely struggled. Um, So I mean, so

707
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: what's your question? Why why do you struggle? You think? Yeah?

708
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like I again, it's it's kind of counterintuitive.

709
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: It's not a work ethic thing. It's not like he's

710
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: not working at it and it's not and it's and

711
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: it's honestly not like like his hands aren't bad, like

712
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: is it was there is there was there something traumatic

713
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: mentally like why as a guy you know Russell, Like

714
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: one of the things is when you work out with guys,

715
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: you spend this much time with guys, you know them

716
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: as well or better than they know themselves. Why did

717
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: he have a year where it felt like a step

718
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: back shooting wise? In your opinion, Yeah, I think Russell puts,

719
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, but the pressure on himself and he wants

720
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: to will his way, you know, to win every game,

721
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: sometimes on his own. So I think, you know, if

722
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: you look back, there's some of the shots. I think

723
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: shot selections love to do with it. Um. You know,

724
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: his bid range we worked out for years and it's

725
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: it's one of the best in the game. As you know,

726
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: that elbow area is perfect for him. Um, you know,

727
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: but his films fine, his legs are fine. It's it's

728
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: a valid question, you know. But um, I think in

729
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: the end sometimes with him, is it might be just

730
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: shot selection, you know. Um, you know, sometimes it shoults

731
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: fade away three. Sometimes we shoot a thirty footer. Um,

732
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: but when he gets in that fifteen seven and eighty

733
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: foot range, you know, he's ridiculous that what he shot

734
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: from three last year? Um, I know it wasn't good. Um,

735
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, hopefully, I think this year,

736
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: with you know, having more shooters, I think around him,

737
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, the presenters might go up. I think he

738
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: might take better shots and maybe less shot too. A

739
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Thames out there. Yeah, well it'll be It's gonna be

740
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating. Um, it really is. You know, what

741
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: about what about John Wall? Like, uh, what what's what's

742
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: he like? I know there's a story in your book

743
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: about him texting you mid game. I'm not sure what

744
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: what was he texting you mid game? Yeah, I think

745
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: we're I think it was in Boston and I was

746
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: at the game, and I think he's he's shot like

747
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: what have been playoffs time? I guess the Celtics second round.

748
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: I think he was going, uh, you think he said

749
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: like one for tennis something and he just said, you know,

750
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: because I was I think, like second rows, So what

751
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: are you seeing? Man? Like, what the heck am I doing?

752
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: And I just said, simply you stuff? Following through John

753
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, when he missed the shots, he kind

754
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: of flicks it in and runs away instead of the

755
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: staying with a shot. Uh. And Derek Rose was the

756
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: same way for a while. But um, that's all I

757
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: said to him, Just just follow through him and hold

758
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: it up there. You know. Sometimes you're just flicking and

759
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: running away. So that's that's That's pretty much it. You know,

760
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys haven't changed their shots, you know,

761
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Derek and somebody who didn't have bad form. It's just

762
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: the might I have a little hits and then followed

763
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: through And to me, it's not it's not rocket science.

764
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: You know, I don't need all these gimmicks. You know.

765
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: You know it's at basketball when you fly in to

766
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: work out a guy, right and like you come in

767
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: and now everybody in the league knows who you are?

768
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: What's that? What's that like for the team? How do

769
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: they how do how do teams treat you? How to

770
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: because teams have their own player development coach as well,

771
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: many of them. You know, I have friends who they

772
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: used to do this and then they joined a team

773
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: to kind of get in the league. And you you

774
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: come in, you know what, what's that? What's that feeling

775
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: like for you, how do they how they treat you?

776
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: How do you handle it? Initially, yeah, it was it

777
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: wasn't great. Um when you know, no one real knew

778
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: who I was. And not only that, but it's like

779
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Like because when I started doing this,

780
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: there wasn't really anaby I was doing it, so it's like,

781
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: what is this? They don't really know what it was. Um.

782
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: Fortunately for me, it was mostly franchise guys, so they

783
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: weren't going to explain too much. But yeah, this is

784
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: a story one time about the excellent not being happy.

785
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: It's working at Alt Harford and um, you know he

786
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: just didn't you know what while you while you flying

787
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: this guy in right here. And I wasn't saying Nick

788
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: was bad. It was just more, Um, I've worked about

789
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: for three years. We have a you know, strategy and

790
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: workout that we do. It's just it's just basically you know, maintenance. Um.

791
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: You know, so yeah a lot of resistance are only

792
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: on for sure. But as we as we went through

793
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: the years and I you know, I rotation me a

794
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: little better, ended up being uh, end up working out

795
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: just fine. You know. It's funny when I'm sure, when

796
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: you're in high school and then you're at Syracuse and

797
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: we always used to have big guys like man, stop

798
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: shooting threes, get into the hoop and work on your

799
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: post game. And now all of a sudden, you know

800
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: now and now it's the you know, the Brook Lopez

801
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: is shooting threes where you never shot him before, and

802
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's fast. How have how have your

803
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: workouts evolved during your time? Because I mean, this has

804
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: been fifteen years you've been doing it, and the league

805
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: has changed so dramatically, right, Like, I mean, think of

806
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: how good a score Carmelo was. Okay, but Carmelo is

807
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: a great score in the host and in the mid range.

808
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: And probably the thing he lacked the most was, you know,

809
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: the ability to shoot the three. Like now the game

810
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: is so incredibly different. How has it changed your approach

811
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: a lot? It's funny brought up Brooke because two years

812
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: ago when Brooke, you know, I didn't have a deal. Um,

813
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: he came in and he decided to move to l

814
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: A for summer trained with me because I get pre

815
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: drafts were very familiar with each other. They said, dude,

816
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: I need to get my game. Any book will always shoot,

817
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: as you know, but you never really was putting a

818
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: position to do it. Um. So he started, you can

819
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: work on the reason man picking pop in transition three,

820
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: things like that, and I said, let's do it. So

821
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: we signed a two million dollars deal minimum with Milwaukee,

822
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: and we worked out all summer long. I don't think

823
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: we did the post one time. Um. And it was

824
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: the opposite pre draft honestly, like he all you wanted

825
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: to do was shoot, you know, tipo a big man,

826
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: I can shoot two. But I said, you know, you know,

827
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: a permit a guy. You gotta play your seven one.

828
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: You know. So he's got he's got a great feet,

829
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: he's got great feet, like he's he's very mobile down there,

830
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: very mobile and great moves down their place slow, which

831
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I love. Um. But it's funny you said that because

832
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: you know, Brooke was the first example that I had

833
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: of ten years later. It's like the opposite workout when

834
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: I did with him in pre draft. You know. Wait,

835
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: so and he ended up you know, uh, killing foo Milwaukee.

836
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: It's fifty four millions from two millions, I'm making like

837
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: you know whatever, thirteen million, fourteen million years. So, um,

838
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: the game has changed completely, So I've definitely had the

839
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: tail of my workouts for that. There's no more quote

840
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: unquote big men and the Kevin Loves a good example

841
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: about six seven years ago in Minnesota, especially work Aileman

842
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: we saw doing most stuff with the elbow pinch post um,

843
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, picking pop stuff with him and kmart Um.

844
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: So he was the first one. I kind of did

845
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: that with Um because I knew we could shoot. But

846
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: as we went on throughout the years, that's five five

847
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: years especially, I mean I've had a really work on,

848
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, teaching these sixteen guys at the shoot agen footers,

849
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, and now you have six nine point guards

850
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: and six nine centers. So it's changed completely. In quite honest,

851
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: if you can't shoot in this league, it's gonna be

852
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: tough to stay there, you know. And that's why I

853
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: think Ben and the Honests really have to work on that,

854
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs, you know, I mean the playoffs

855
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: from the scarring puts out there and guys are playing

856
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: you with the far line, and now it's that's that's tough.

857
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: That's toff um. Okay, let let's let's go to step STEPHF.

858
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: Curry who wrote the forward for your book. The book

859
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: is network net like basketball work. Um you first met

860
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: Steph win Um, I would say about it three year

861
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: in the league, before he's an All Star. He was

862
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: in town in l A doing some commercials and through

863
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: his agent Jeff Austin, you know, he came in to

864
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: work out. Um, this is when he's coming off, you know,

865
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: the ankle injuries things like that, and uh port him

866
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: out of private Jim and bell Air and the private

867
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: m bell Air is that the one that looks like Staples? Yes, yes,

868
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 1: pretty much every day. Yeah. And and for for people

869
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: who don't know, like we won't give away location, there's

870
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: the gym and NBA T is actually practiced there where

871
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: that it shoot around and everything. Yeah, where it looks

872
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: it looks just like the Staples, the same stable center

873
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: floor or whatever. And they have pick up games there

874
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: and obviously workouts there, so you you meet staff. What

875
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: was your opinion before you met him? Um? Well, obviously

876
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: besides the shooting, Um, you know, I think he had

877
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: to get more in control. You know, a lot of

878
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: a lot of bad turnovers. I think he could do

879
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff and less dribbles. But besides that,

880
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: I thought his game was unbelievable. I heard about his

881
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: work ethic, and I heard about what a great human

882
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: being he is. Um. You know, so when we first met,

883
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: we just I kind of just game a kind of

884
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: a generic first workout, you know that I do with

885
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: a guy and kind of get to know each other.

886
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: And but it's funny because he talks about in the forward,

887
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: you know, like five minutes in he was going hard.

888
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna pick up now next,

889
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, talking trash bumping on and you couldn't believe it.

890
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean, i know one's had for ten minutes and

891
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm already in there, you know, you know, garden me

892
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: kind of like hops on me, you know, and U

893
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, from there, it's just we continue to have

894
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: a great relationship and and intertinuing train. Um. Okay, So

895
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: so uh uh in terms of in terms of stuff,

896
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: how did it? How did it proceed? Right? So you

897
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: have that first workout and was he like was he in?

898
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Was he on the kool aid? Right then? Like when

899
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: can we do this again? Or was it Hey, I'm

900
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: in l A and you know, uh, next time I'm

901
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: on l A, I'll hit you. No, we kept going,

902
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: he's staying in Lay for a few more days. Um.

903
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: He came back I think a couple of weeks later,

904
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: and this is I would say August in our approaching

905
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: labor day in training camp. And then you had me

906
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: fly into Oakland for about ten days before training camp. Um.

907
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: And it was it was kind of cool too because

908
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: this was a time of boy my eyes just got

909
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: hired and that was my boss um for a long time.

910
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson was here. I worked on Mark Sun for

911
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: a while, so it was very easy transition to go

912
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: in there and working about facility things like that. Verse familiar,

913
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: so it wasn't one of those things. Was this guy

914
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: made it much easier for for everybody. Um. Yeah. And

915
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: then Steph's signing under arms, so I do all his

916
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: under arm towards in Asia, probably with him to every

917
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: single one. And then we started the SC thirty camp,

918
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: which has been unbelievable, the top thirty players in the

919
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: country every year. At first it was just guards. Now

920
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: it's some big stewo um, but you know, I've met

921
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: a lot of guys through that, and uh yeah, it

922
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: kind of just some that one workout kind of just

923
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: took off and and and here he is doing the forward,

924
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: which I don't really appreciate. So what's what in terms

925
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: of like this is Miles Simon's one of my dear

926
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: friends obviously is the He was a player development coach.

927
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: Now he's assistant coach with the Lakers, and one of

928
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: the guys that used to be his guys with Chris

929
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: Bosh and he tells me the story of um after

930
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: his first year of playing with Lebron, he was like, look,

931
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: I gotta work on my catch and shoot like mid

932
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: too deep mid range stuff all the way out to three.

933
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: It's like I've never really worked on that, right, like

934
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I've always you know, like when he was in Toronto,

935
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: like he was given the ball in the post facing

936
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: up right, so he had to kind of so he's like,

937
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: all right, like let's let's let's let's shoot some kind

938
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: of deep midrange shots, you know, like foters shoot a hundred.

939
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: He makes ninety two, right, and like, I don't think

940
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: people understand how fucking good these guys are, Like they're

941
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: they're ridiculous. Like he's like, dude, you should see Rondo

942
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: when every shooting drill, like it's it's crazy. Okay, so

943
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: now you throw in Steph Curry and Kevin Durant, two

944
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 1: guys that you work out, two guys that you help

945
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: hone their craft. What is a Steph Curry workout? Like? Like,

946
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: does he ever miss a shot? Oh? It's it's ridiculous.

947
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen him make you know, leads in

948
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: a row and you know how hard that is. I

949
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: don't care, no one's going you and not and and

950
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: it's it's just so easy. The one thing about step

951
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: Katie is the same way if we shoot a hundred

952
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: straight threes, if they make a hundred or miss a hundred,

953
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: it's the same reaction. They just move on to the

954
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: next shot. And that's why they good. They don't get

955
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: down to themselves. They don't you know, put their head

956
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: down like some guys and and grow up and moan

957
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: um that they just so lazy a focus. I mean

958
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: step just looks at the rim grounds the ball looks

959
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: at the rim so I passed in the balls really

960
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: looking at me just boom boom. It's it's like it's

961
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: it's world class and it's just complete to me. Just

962
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: focus when they when they do that, um, you know,

963
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: and it's step has uh ridiculous range. Man, I've seen them.

964
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, we'll we'll work on you know, the normal

965
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: NBA threes, but they will with Katie too, They will

966
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: work on you know as they do. And they three

967
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: at the four point shot, you know from out there,

968
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: so um and and they make them and they and

969
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: then they shoot him in the game, you know. Um.

970
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, I know what you know Miles

971
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 1: went through because I do the same thing with Kevin

972
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: Love when he went to Cleveland. You know, he had

973
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: to become you know what they call, I guess a spacer,

974
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: you know. And Kevin went from pins post, midpost, you know,

975
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: maybe trail threes too, sitting the Christian in the core,

976
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: waits for the past, you know. So those good two

977
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: guys definitely sacrificed win championships, and um, you know, I

978
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: think a lot of guys gonna you know, I really

979
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: want how to shoot. You're you're one of the guys.

980
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: You're you're the guy credited with teaching Lebron how to

981
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: push back past the fatigue barrier, like one of the

982
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: one of the Like we on TV and radio, we

983
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: talked about dumb ships sometimes, you know, um, whereas I

984
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: think like real basketball talk is you're talking about the

985
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: the the unbelievable confidence of Durant and Steph Curry, And honestly,

986
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: sometimes Lebron has lacked that kind of stuffing like confidence

987
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: and conditioning and the ability to push through fatigue. How

988
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: did you You're like, Lebron credits you with pushing him

989
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: through the fatigue barrier? How how do you do that? Yeah?

990
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget if we we were down in

991
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: um Miami working out with me, him and John Wall

992
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: and um. And it's just I don't know. I don't

993
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: know what it is about me. I don't know if

994
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: it's my dad. My dad was a kind of colonel.

995
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: And and I since the day one, between these guys

996
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: just like grown men, the NBA players or m v ps,

997
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 1: and I hold them accountable. Um, if a guy shows

998
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: up at nine o two, I get pissed. And I

999
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: think there's other trainers out there, are guys that you know,

1000
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: it's okay, man, you know, don't don't worry about it,

1001
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: because in any other industry, you know, it's you're late

1002
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: for working, You're fight all the time, you know, or

1003
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: I always tell him you're late for the plane. In

1004
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: the NBA, it's five grants, So give me five grants

1005
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: or you know, don't be late. So you know with

1006
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: with me again, I don't treat them like I think

1007
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people treat them. And honestly, they like that.

1008
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: You know. They want someone in their life, especially that's

1009
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: trying to help their craft, to be honest with them,

1010
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, not say it's okay. You know if they

1011
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: don't work hard that day, so it's okay, man, you know,

1012
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: it was the coach's fault. You're a bad game as

1013
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: a coach's fault. I'm the opposite, you know, And I'm

1014
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: honest with them, and I pushed them to the limit.

1015
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: And my last drills always are the hardest drills. And

1016
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: I always do that for a reason. I always say,

1017
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, you should end the workout, but then you finished,

1018
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: just like you should be better in the fourth quarter.

1019
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: Then you have the first quarter. So I test guys.

1020
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: I test guys at the end of the work the

1021
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: last five minutes the hardest drills I'll do all day, um,

1022
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: And I do that to prepare them. With too many

1023
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: stuff in the game, you know you're gonna be able

1024
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: to make that shot when you're tired. You can handle

1025
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: the ball, you know, when guys going your full court

1026
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: when you're tired down one. Um, so it's it's strategic,

1027
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: but it's also you know, again just just holding them accountable.

1028
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I said give me one hour, so

1029
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: I want one hour a day, that's all. It's it's

1030
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: not nine is five. And I love the guys that said,

1031
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, I've been in the gymmate hours work correct. Correct.

1032
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: This is one of the things that I think is

1033
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: is amazing to me. It's it's either a lie or

1034
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: you're not getting stuff done. Like I exactly right with

1035
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: younger kids, I tell him, you know, like minutes is plenty, plenty,

1036
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, if you're going hard right, like otherwise you're

1037
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: just kind of like I get parents where I run

1038
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: workouts and like, well we only went they only went

1039
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: an hour today, Like they went hard, They're good, they're done.

1040
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: Like do you want me to have them do three

1041
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: man weave? If you want to have them to do

1042
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: three man we've you know, sure, cool, but that that's

1043
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: a complete waste of my time and yours as well. Um. Okay,

1044
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: so Katie, well, Katie will go forty minutes with me

1045
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: and this back in the day and no water break

1046
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: and be done for minutes. Rob's the next show once

1047
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: the water in Mexoscope. I'm not sitting there talking for

1048
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: ten minutes in between drills. Done, Go and enjoy the summer.

1049
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: Like that's it. You know, give me a guy who

1050
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: is going to have a great you spend time with

1051
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: him and you feel like he's gonna take a step

1052
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: this year. I would say one guy for sure, Alfred Payton. Um.

1053
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: I worked to Alfred the last two years, but this

1054
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: is the first really full, full summer that we had together.

1055
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: And you know he signed with the Knicks obviously. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's comfortable up there. Scott Perry drafted him in Orlando. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a team with a lot of guys with chips

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Speaker 1: in their shoulders. Alford has been known to be an

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Speaker 1: average shooter, but we worked out a shot on this summer.

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Speaker 1: I mean six days a week in l a UM.

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Speaker 1: And he's grown, you know, he's matured. He's more of

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Speaker 1: a leader. UM, and he's confident now. He's very you

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Speaker 1: know when I first spent him quiet, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: not too sure of was shot. If you opened the seventeen,

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Speaker 1: you know, fifteen foot line, he wouldn't shoot it. But

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Speaker 1: now one of those things too. You know it's gonna

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Speaker 1: go in there a little swag, look confident and and

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Speaker 1: you know they wanted to shoot this year. So he's

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Speaker 1: definitely got I think I take a big, big step forward.

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Speaker 1: The book is Network. It's uh, it's awesome. You should

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Speaker 1: pick it up. He's Rob Rob McClanahan. Of course, who's

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Speaker 1: a star workout? I mean, would you do? Do you

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Speaker 1: want guru trainer of the stars? How do you when

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Speaker 1: you when you get introduced when when having beers like

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Speaker 1: is my buddy Rob, he's the trainer of the stars?

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Speaker 1: Is I Is I that what you want? Uh? The

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Speaker 1: trader is fine? Yeah, trainers, Yeah, it's funny with my

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Speaker 1: guys that you know having beers there. This is a

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Speaker 1: guy's the guy told you about it, trains this and that,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes I don't even want to get into it, somebody,

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Speaker 1: if people ask you, no, I'm just I'm I'm a teacher.

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Speaker 1: So I do marketing because I don't. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to get into it. Some people I don't know. You know, Network,

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Speaker 1: Training the NBA's best and finding the keys to greatness? Rob,

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Speaker 1: great stuff man, Thanks so much for joining me. Thanks

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Speaker 1: appreciate the man. Be sure to catch the live edition

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Speaker 1: of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.

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