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Speaker 1: It is the Red Sox edition of the off season

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Speaker 1: to do List, and we bring in our friend Tim Healey.

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Speaker 1: You can see his coverage in the Boston Globe, Red

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Speaker 1: Sox beat writer, also a great follow on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Tim b Heally. Tim is funny. I'll say it for him.

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Speaker 2: Tim.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you, and let's get to the off

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Speaker 1: season to do list. Can you lay out one, two,

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Speaker 1: and three. You have to only give us three options,

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Speaker 1: then we'll elaborate from there.

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Speaker 3: The Red Sox have to work cut out for them,

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Speaker 3: so it's hard to keep it to three. But number

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Speaker 3: one has got to be re signing Alex Bregman and

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Speaker 3: or figuring out what Alex Bregman's deal is. Absolutely big

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Speaker 3: player last year, important to keep him this offseason. Number

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Speaker 3: two is the number two starter, right They have Garrett Crochet.

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Speaker 3: That trade worked out magnificently for them last year. Now

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Speaker 3: if they can slot in someone behind Crochet of Brian Bao,

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Speaker 3: they need somebody at first base or DH so they

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Speaker 3: need more dingers. Honestly, Trevor Story led the team in

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Speaker 3: home runs and RBIs last year and that's not gonna

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Speaker 3: cut it in twenty twenty six. So that's number three.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, Tim, I'm gonna start with Bregman. Uh no, duh, no, duh.

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Speaker 4: They need to resign Alex Bregman. Yeah, because he solidifies

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Speaker 4: the defense on the left side of the infield him

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Speaker 4: and story, he brings the bat in the middle of

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Speaker 4: the order. And the biggest thing that he did from

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Speaker 4: watching the Red Sox from Afar, he brought a presence,

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Speaker 4: a calmness, and a confidence to this team that they

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Speaker 4: had sorely been lacking for a few years. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is like the biggest, no duh thing, And I

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Speaker 4: get that's why it's number one, but they absolutely have

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Speaker 4: to do what it takes to sign Alex Pregnant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's gonna be interesting because they're gonna have

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Speaker 3: I would think a lot of competition right look around

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Speaker 3: the league. The Tigers always get mentioned for Alex Bregman.

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Speaker 3: The the Mariners are sending swars in the free agency.

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Speaker 3: The Blue Jays probably, I would think, are gonna have

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Speaker 3: a lot of money to spend coming off their October

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Speaker 3: run and don't have a long term answer at third base.

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Speaker 3: The Phillies are gonna have a fascinating offseason. You could

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Speaker 3: see them getting in the mix on this. The Yankees

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Speaker 3: are always a threat, so there are a lot of

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Speaker 3: teams that are really good fits for Alex Bregman. So

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Speaker 3: the question becomes to me, if you know Bregman's almost,

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Speaker 3: you know, very likely looking at a five to six

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Speaker 3: maybe seven year deal one hundred and fifty one hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventy five maybe pushing two hundred million dollars. Is

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Speaker 3: Craig Breslo going to be comfortable getting uncomfortable and doing

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Speaker 3: what it takes to sign Alex Bregman. I'm not one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent sure that he's willing to make that move

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Speaker 3: if that's the territory.

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Speaker 2: It gets too.

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Speaker 3: But as we said, it's gonna be awfully important because

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Speaker 3: Bregman was important to them this past season.

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Speaker 1: A couple thoughts here and then, I think Kratz has

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Speaker 1: a thought or two about this as well. First of all,

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Speaker 1: no way the Tigers are going after him again. They

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Speaker 1: felt like it was personal. He turned down the most

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Speaker 1: overall money. That's just that's my take, and with some

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Speaker 1: people behind the scenes, I'm gonna throw that out there.

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Speaker 1: I think they were quite pissed off and they felt

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Speaker 1: like the message was sent that Detroit was not for him,

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Speaker 1: and they are like, thank you very much, We're not

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Speaker 1: going to help to drive up your price to so offseason,

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Speaker 1: just throwing that out out there. And then also I

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Speaker 1: wonder if we have owner John Henry or somebody else

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Speaker 1: involved THEO Epstein and friends that say, hey, Craig, this

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Speaker 1: might not check out on your end at this price,

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Speaker 1: but we still want to back Alex. Cora has more

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Speaker 1: influence as a manager than almost any other manager in

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Speaker 1: terms of front office moves. Your thoughts on all of that.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I think any move of at this level ownership's going

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Speaker 3: to be involved John Henry, THEO. Alex Corer obviously has

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Speaker 3: the Bregman connection and will stump for Alex Bregman among

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Speaker 3: his other guys. So Alex Corer is not afraid to

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Speaker 2: Such as these.

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Speaker 3: So yes, when I you know, we talk about Craig

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Speaker 3: Breslow and his decision making and his philosophies and getting uncomfortable,

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Speaker 3: it won't be strictly a Craig Breslow discussion in conversation.

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Speaker 2: Totally agreed with that.

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Speaker 5: I imagined that yesterday Jim Bowden that free agency is a

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Speaker 5: lot about risk and like, don't know, don't know about

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Speaker 5: his history, how's he going to fit into the clubhouse? Check?

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Speaker 5: Check and check. So this has to be the most

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Speaker 5: This has to be the most slammed dunk for everybody

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Speaker 5: because Craig Breslo doesn't want to be.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I'm the guy that got Bregman a deal.

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Speaker 4: How could you do that?

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Speaker 5: You saw what he did the year before. It's almost like,

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Speaker 5: how could you not do that? Because you saw what

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Speaker 5: he did with these young guys, with his production and

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Speaker 5: the fact that he's you know, he's built for Fenway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he checks all of the boxes.

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Speaker 3: At this time last year, Alex Bregman looked like he

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Speaker 3: checked all of the boxes and was exactly what they needed.

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Speaker 3: And then they flirted it was gonna happen, not gonna happen,

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Speaker 3: And it finally happened in February, right spring training was

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Speaker 3: getting going and that it worked out great, And yes,

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Speaker 3: Bregman had the injury and he s thirty two years

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Speaker 3: good at the plate honestly, So sure I can see

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Speaker 3: some hesitations there, but you know, the fit which looked great,

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Speaker 3: So losing him would set your way back in an

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Speaker 3: off season where you should be taking a big step forward.

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Speaker 5: Kind of hit two parts here. You said a number

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Speaker 5: a second starter to go behind, to go behind Crochet

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Speaker 5: number one type of category. And doesn't that mean when

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Speaker 5: this abysmal defense, that it becomes more of a number

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Speaker 5: three type of starter. Wouldn't they be more suited to Yes,

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Speaker 3: Also, yes, there's a lot going on there. But when

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Speaker 3: I say they should add a number two starter, I'd

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Speaker 3: mean somebody who will be their number two, not you know,

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Speaker 3: a traditional quote unquote or sort of more middling number

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Speaker 3: top three at worst, top five pitchers in baseball. So

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Speaker 3: there's almost nobody, almost nobody available who will slot in

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Speaker 3: Then you're starting to cook with gas in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I mean when I when they say

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Speaker 3: the defense add there's a lot to figure out, especially

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Speaker 3: on the infield. But their outfield defense was amazing and

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Speaker 3: their catching defense Narvaia's was very good.

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Speaker 2: Connor Wong was better than the year before.

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Speaker 3: So when you look at Trevor Story up the middle,

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Speaker 3: Marcelo Meyer playing second or third race, I would think

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Speaker 3: at this point the defense should be pretty good next year.

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Speaker 3: But there are a lot of question marks to figure

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Speaker 3: out they're infield wise all right.

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Speaker 4: And then the third one you mentioned is Adas slugger

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Speaker 4: first base, tch pe A Lonzo's on the market. I'm

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Speaker 4: just saying, And all the time when you talk to

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Speaker 4: Alex Cora, what does he say, they need right handed power,

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Speaker 4: Alex Bregman right handed power, Pete Alonso right handed power

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Speaker 4: because they got a lot of lefties right Rome and

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Speaker 4: Anthony and the whole crew. But Bregman and Alonso would

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Speaker 4: look nice, I mean something like that. So who's a

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Speaker 4: John Henry post, twenty eighteen world post Mookie, bed Time Bloom.

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Speaker 4: They don't really want to spend on these guys. Instead,

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Speaker 4: they're look for internal or cheaper options. Will they actually

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Speaker 4: spend and go get the power they need?

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Speaker 3: It's that's a great question, And because they haven't spent

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Speaker 3: for more than a half decade now, at least not

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Speaker 3: among the elite spending teams, it's going to be a

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Speaker 3: question until they prove otherwise. So I would think, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's all It's all connected, right, the Bregmann question, the

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Speaker 3: first base DH question. If you bring back Bregman, I

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Speaker 3: kind of feel like that thirty million dollar AAV is

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Speaker 3: already baked into the twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven

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Speaker 3: had them penciled in for that number. Adding another big

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Speaker 3: big ask for the red Sox of recent years, but

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Speaker 3: I think they can swing it, especially if you know

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Speaker 3: they don't have Giligo making twenty two million dollars a

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Speaker 3: year on the qualifying offer we'll see what happens there.

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Speaker 3: That would sort of be a lot. But yeah, you

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Speaker 3: mentioned Pete A. Lonzo, he is the number one choice.

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Speaker 3: I'd say, I think he's exactly what they need. The

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Speaker 3: right handed bat, plays first base, can DH as much

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Speaker 3: for thirty five forty home runs, one hundred to one

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty RBIs that's exactly what this Red Sox

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Speaker 3: Bregman was supposed to be that and was that to

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Speaker 3: a degree, but in terms of offensive production, Alex Bregman

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Speaker 3: so it's not quite the same. He's a little older,

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Speaker 3: maybe his contract will be shorter. And Alex Korra is

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Speaker 3: quite openly a big fan of Kyle Schwarber because of

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Speaker 3: his three months with the Red Sox in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: That affection remains strong, so it wouldn't surprise me to

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Speaker 3: see interest strong interest there. But I think Peter A.

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Speaker 3: Lonzo is a better fit because of the right stuff.

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Speaker 5: And you said the nine figure contracts, Yeah, he got

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Speaker 5: rid of one. So if they don't, if they don't

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Speaker 5: sign another non figure contract, I'm not saying. I'm not

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Speaker 5: saying Bregman's included in that. I'm saying Bregman and someone else.

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Speaker 5: I think Red Sox fans and you can tell me

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Speaker 5: if I'm wrong. Red Sox fans would look at it

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Speaker 5: and go. So that was just a salary dump. We

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Speaker 5: would not be a good look, especially after clawing to

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Speaker 5: the playoffs with a younger team this year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they, you know, in theory, should have that financial

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Speaker 3: wiggle room to maximize and on top of that, forget

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Speaker 3: the money. They never replaced Raphael Devers, the hitter at

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Speaker 3: Nathaniel Lowe and August and that was fleeting. So in

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Speaker 3: a sense, a Alonso or Schwarber would replace Devers and

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Speaker 3: that's something. That big bat hole remains a very big hole. So,

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Speaker 3: like we said at the outset, the Red Sox have

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Speaker 5: All Right, how about a trade piece. I want to

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Speaker 5: does the trade of Jared Duran seem likely to add

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Speaker 3: I think a trade of an outfielder is very likely.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at the outfielders the Red Sox have,

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Speaker 3: Jared Duran kind of feels like the odd man out

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Speaker 3: Because the Red Sox like Jared Durant and they'd be

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Speaker 3: happy to keep Jared Duran if they can make the

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Speaker 3: or bray you sure? Roman Anthony can go play red field,

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Speaker 3: but if somebody wants Jared Duran, then Roman Anthony will

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Speaker 3: play left. The wild card here is raf Fayela, who

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Speaker 3: is amazing at center.

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Speaker 2: Field, really streaky at the plate.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think they'll trade raf Fayela because as

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Speaker 3: So you know, I think they'll keep Ralph Fayela. I

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Speaker 3: can't completely rule out that he's the one traded, but

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Speaker 3: and then one of Duran and Abreu, that's a pretty

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Speaker 4: Hey how far how far behind are the Red Sox?

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Speaker 4: I mean, we saw the Yankees were in the World

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Speaker 4: how much do you think in one offseason they can

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Speaker 4: make that jump? Because from what you're giving us, they

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Speaker 4: need a lot of help.

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Speaker 2: They do need a lot of help. They do need

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Speaker 3: But I honestly think they can play in that top

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Speaker 3: This year, for example, the standings were what they were

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Speaker 3: the Red Sox were not the best team in the division,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know that the Yankees were that scary.

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Speaker 3: And the Blue Jays, you know, ran the division the

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Speaker 3: But are they gonna be that again in twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 3: I don't really know. So I think the Al East

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Speaker 1: Tim last one for you, and this is more of

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Speaker 1: a coach in front office. Look at what's been going

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Speaker 1: no secret talking about Anthony, talking about Meyer, etc. How

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Speaker 1: It sounded like he was basically the slam dunk to

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Speaker 1: if you want to mix this into I'm forgetting the

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like people on teams and orcs are

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Speaker 3: Losing Paul to Bony is a big deal for the

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Speaker 3: very fast in baseball, as you guys know, and was

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Speaker 3: basically sort of a right hand man, inner circle kind

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Speaker 3: Red Sox employees they really liked. Devin Pearson was director

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Speaker 3: of amateur Scouting. He's now an assistant GM under tabone.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Wright was the field coordinator and player development for

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Speaker 3: of pitching for the Red Sox the last two years.

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Speaker 3: One of Craig Breslo's first hires around this time two

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Speaker 2: He's gone.

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Speaker 3: Now he's going to be you know, it's not official yet,

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Speaker 3: but sounds like the pitching coach for the Mets.

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Speaker 2: So these are all big losses. It all matters.

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Speaker 3: They lost their double A hitting coach to the Marlins,

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Speaker 3: to the major league staff. So it's interesting because, you know,

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Speaker 3: if all these guys are leaving for promotions by teams

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Speaker 3: that are you know, they're not exactly model franchises, but

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Speaker 3: trying to do things a smarter, more advanced and modern way.

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Speaker 3: Then it's sort of a compliment to the Red Sox

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Speaker 3: doing plenty of interviews and hiring searches for all of

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Yeah, great one to finish with. Tim will

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Speaker 1: be talking in the off season and crats to you again.

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Speaker 1: I know it's been several months now, but nice smooth transition.

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Speaker 1: I'm following you for Boston Red Sox coverage in the

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Speaker 1: Boston Globe. AJ, was that something good?

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Speaker 4: You want this so adam Monavinho would be go right

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Speaker 4: off the field and be a GM and.

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Speaker 2: Then you have to worry about all this stuff.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's why when we talked about that yesterday,

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Speaker 4: that was I mean, not that he couldn't do it,

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Speaker 4: but it would be a lot to just jump right into.

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Speaker 4: So thanks Jim.

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Speaker 2: He's a smart guy.

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Speaker 3: He can do whatever he wants, I think, but that

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Speaker 3: would be a big and fast jump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, big time, Tim, Good stuff, man, We'll talk

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Speaker 2: See Thank you present it